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of all time. Chuck. Great to see

2:21

you. Before we, we, we get into

2:23

today's show. We're talking Americans abroad, of

2:25

course we're talking leads getting promoted, which

2:27

is awesome. And kind of

2:29

sad to see him go because they're part of

2:31

the EFL package, right? That CBS has. And

2:33

now they get promoted to the Premier League. We're

2:36

not going to have as much leads action,

2:38

but whatever. Congratulations to them. We

2:40

got to get into to our weekends

2:42

and big tones. I want to start with

2:44

you. How was your weekend? How were

2:46

things? I'm just curious. You

2:48

said Charlie went to go play bingo.

2:50

Oh, you missed the show where

2:52

Chuck was trying to name things that

2:55

where you get competitive. And he's

2:57

he mentioned bingo. Like, listen, there's a

2:59

million things big tone said he

3:01

could say where you can compete. And

3:03

he somehow he said bingo. I'm

3:05

with you, Charlie bingo. I'm with

3:08

you. My mother -in -law came to town.

3:11

And yeah, we took her to play

3:13

bingo. Man, there was one lady

3:15

next to me. She was really pissing me

3:17

off. OK, here go. She

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had all the stamps and all

3:21

different colors and all that stuff. And

3:23

Jim, the last one, the big pot.

3:25

I knew nothing about what I was

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doing. I won. 180 bucks. 180 bucks

3:30

in my pocket. I was so

3:32

happy. But it

3:34

wasn't this weekend. But it was a

3:36

good weekend. Just watching games, obviously. Yeah,

3:38

of course. And celebrated Easter. But so

3:40

happy Easter to everybody that celebrates. But

3:42

yeah, bingo could really get under your skin,

3:44

Jimmy. OK. Wow. Maybe that's why Chuck likes

3:46

it. Because you can trigger people. I'm

3:49

with you. You can trigger others. Chuck,

3:52

your weekend. Any games you were coaching at

3:54

the U9 level? What's happening? Yeah,

3:57

we had some fantastic

3:59

performances. We, you know, it

4:01

was, it's about growing the game. We had

4:03

a three, three. We had a, we lost

4:05

a three, two, and then we won an

4:07

18 zero. So, you

4:09

know, for me, it was just

4:11

zero. Yeah. Yeah. And

4:13

I made all the players go back

4:15

to the keeper. And

4:18

they still, okay. Do

4:20

you make any subs? I mean, you trying

4:22

to demoralize and kill the fun for the

4:25

other team. What are you doing here, Chuck?

4:27

Can play her off? Yeah, maybe they can

4:29

only use their foot too tight. Taking a

4:31

player off is too much. I think I'm

4:33

taking it. You think that's too disrespectful? We'll

4:35

only be 14 nil at that point. No,

4:39

there's a lot to unpack there. It good weekend.

4:41

It was a good weekend. Yeah, there's a lot to

4:43

unpack. Jeez,

4:45

18 -0, man. By the

4:48

way, I got it. Yes. I

4:50

got a lot of parents who

4:52

came up and said they love, call

4:54

it what you want. They, they

4:57

watch it and listen to it religiously.

4:59

Also morning footy. So we're doing

5:01

our job in the soccer ecosystem. Okay.

5:05

Well, maybe they don't feel that way after you. Decimated

5:08

their team 18 to zero,

5:10

but we had good vibes for

5:12

them before. All right. My

5:14

U 14s, we got a one zero win. We

5:16

were missing six of our players. We still

5:18

figured it out. and locked it in. So shout

5:20

out to my you 14s. Well done. All

5:23

right. Let's get into the show and we're bringing

5:25

on a special guest. Okay. He's

5:27

from the New Yorkshire evening post and

5:29

the scouted podcast. He's based in Leeds

5:31

and we need to get him on

5:33

to talk about Leeds getting back into

5:35

the Premier League after two years in

5:37

the championship. His name is Joe Donahue.

5:40

Joe, welcome so much. Thank you for

5:42

coming and hanging with us. Thanks

5:45

guys. a pleasure to be on. Yeah.

5:47

Yeah. It's nice to see that you've

5:49

tried to match Tony Mule as backdrop.

5:51

Just like nice and nice and plain.

5:53

Who could have the most Joe? Are

5:55

you are you in the CBS Paramount

5:58

offices, too? I'm in the the the

6:00

joining wall. If you bang on it

6:02

there, you'll you'll hear it coming through

6:04

on my my mic. Yeah, I love

6:06

that. I absolutely love it. All right.

6:08

So so Joe Let's talk about what

6:10

Daniel Farca and leads did well this

6:12

season and one of the things that

6:14

I think all of our listeners should

6:17

know is that There was

6:19

there was a January transfer window and leads

6:21

elected to not make any transfers They're

6:23

just gonna roll the dice with the team

6:25

that they had and it and it

6:27

paid off and obviously got back into the

6:29

Premier League I really think that's impressive

6:31

just to say I trust the guys that

6:33

I have Yeah, absolutely It was it

6:35

was the message that Daniel Falker wanted to

6:38

put out to to his squad Mainly

6:40

was that if he's not going to get

6:42

a player who is first of all

6:44

affordable who's going to improve the the level

6:46

of the starting 11 and is

6:48

also going to be the right calibre of

6:50

character to come into this group, then he didn't

6:52

want to sign them, essentially. He

6:54

made the point that January is

6:56

notoriously a difficult month to do

6:58

business. Typically, when

7:00

you sign a player, especially in the

7:03

championship where games come thick and fast,

7:05

it can take a real period, a

7:07

couple of weeks or maybe even months,

7:09

to get a player up to speed

7:11

with that group. And by that point,

7:13

you're into March and April, and then

7:15

it's almost as other seasons over. Um,

7:17

I think it was a risk, uh,

7:19

because, you know, the, the, the title

7:21

race or the, the automatic promotion race this season

7:23

has been a fierce one with Burnley and Sheffield

7:26

United. Um, I think Burnley

7:28

are 31 games on beaten now. Leads

7:30

have lost one in 26 or

7:32

27. Um, and Sheffield United

7:34

have hardly lost any games, uh, up until

7:36

this recent run. Um, they've been, they've been

7:38

really going hammer and tongs at it. And,

7:40

um, they did strengthen in January, which made

7:42

a lot of leads fans question, you know,

7:44

what is the strategy here? What is the. what's

7:47

the play basically? And ultimately

7:50

it has paid off, sticking

7:52

with Farkas' trusted guns. So

7:55

when you look at this lead side, obviously

7:57

an attacking side, and we've seen this before.

7:59

As a matter of fact, we saw it

8:01

with Burnley last promotion under Vincent Company, right?

8:03

This time around, so the two teams that

8:05

get promoted, one is the most attacking team

8:07

in the league, the other is the best

8:09

defending team in the league. We've

8:11

learned like an Ipswich getting promoted twice

8:13

scoring the most goals in two leagues. What

8:16

do you think Leeds does now moving

8:18

forward? And I want to get to Brendan

8:20

Aronson because he's the number 10 in

8:22

this group. But what do you think they

8:24

do moving forward? Because

8:26

that formula has proven over

8:28

the last two promotions that maybe

8:31

it's not the best formula. Yeah,

8:34

it's a real difficult question. It's a

8:36

conundrum for any manager going up from

8:38

the championship to the Premier League because

8:40

You know, typically teams at the top of

8:42

the championship, they're going to play a possession -based

8:44

attacking style of play. I

8:47

think a lot of teams, we've seen

8:49

that with Ipswich, even more so Southampton under

8:51

Russell Martin this past season. You

8:53

go up and you try to dominate

8:55

possession in the Premier League and you unfortunately

8:57

get found out, you know, either your

8:59

players aren't at the required standard. And I

9:01

don't mean to say, you know, they're

9:04

way off it, but just losing that one

9:06

or two percent that the Premier League

9:08

opponents have on you. can make

9:10

a real difference. Farka has

9:12

been a real proponent of possession

9:14

based football. He wants to be

9:16

the protagonist in games. He wants

9:18

to dominate. He wants to use

9:20

his full backs as auxiliary wingers.

9:23

He wants to put, you know,

9:25

effectively five or six players on

9:27

the forward line. He's

9:29

not going to be able to do that every game in the

9:31

Premier League. That's just a matter of fact. So

9:34

ultimately they have to come up with ways.

9:36

you know, one of the classics from, you

9:38

know, manager speak will be that, you

9:40

know, the work starts now, as in, you

9:42

know, they've been promoted and as of

9:44

today, after maybe a little bit of celebrating

9:46

has been done, they'll set to

9:48

work on how they are going to

9:51

tackle the Premier League because, you know,

9:53

Farke has come up before with Norwich

9:55

twice. And unfortunately for

9:57

him, both of those times, it

9:59

didn't out for him. Norwich

10:01

relegated on both occasions. So It

10:03

will be a real, real test

10:05

of Farka's coaching credentials of the

10:07

leads players that are currently in

10:10

the squad, Brendan Aronson being one

10:12

of them. And yeah,

10:14

it'll be a real test of the quality

10:16

of the recruitment that they do in

10:18

the summer, because they will have to do

10:20

quite a bit of business. So

10:22

I think I want to touch

10:24

on Joe, what Tony Miola was talking

10:26

about in terms of Brendan Aronson

10:28

and his involvement with this Leeds United

10:31

side. He's got 41 starts. out of

10:33

44 appearances this season, nine

10:35

goals to assist. But in

10:37

2025, just two goals,

10:39

zero assists. Leads are

10:41

banging in goals for fun. I

10:43

mean, they have more than 25 goals

10:46

scored by the next best team

10:48

in the league championship. So with 89

10:50

goals, what do

10:52

you make of his performances

10:54

with Leads? Where do

10:56

you see him on the pitch in terms

10:58

of his best position? And then Do

11:00

you think this is a player who has

11:02

grown this season with Leeds? Has he

11:05

stood out? Has he kind of just been

11:07

one of those integral role players? He's

11:10

certainly been more impactful than he

11:12

was in the Premier League a couple

11:14

of seasons ago. I couldn't

11:16

speak too much about how he performed at Union

11:18

Berlin last season whilst he was out on

11:20

loan in the Bundesliga. It

11:23

seemed as though he was sort of in

11:25

and out of the team there a little bit.

11:27

This year, he's been the preferred choice at

11:29

number 10. And

11:31

yes, while he did have a really, really good

11:33

spell at the beginning of the season, scoring

11:35

quite a few goals, there's always been sort of

11:37

an undercurrent, certainly with the fans of, you

11:39

know, kind of won a little bit more from

11:41

him, whether that's in terms of creativity or

11:43

whether it's in terms of goals output in the

11:46

second half of the season. You

11:48

know, one thing that you absolutely cannot fault with

11:50

Brendan is his work rate. He

11:52

is an insanely hard worker.

11:54

Farka has said on several

11:56

occasions that he really manages

11:58

the workload of players. And

12:01

then there's Brendan, who he thinks he could play a

12:03

second 90 minutes back to back. And

12:05

you see that on the pitch. I'm

12:08

sure his pressing numbers will be through the

12:10

roof. I can see

12:12

why coaches love him. I can also see

12:14

why fans are maybe not completely sold on

12:16

him as the number 10 that will be

12:18

starting on the first day in the Premier

12:20

League. that creativity

12:22

element, what hasn't been, you know,

12:24

the best in the championship. You

12:27

know, last season Leeds had Jorginho Routaire

12:29

in the number 10 position. He

12:31

was sold to Brighton for 40 million,

12:33

obviously. And he just had that

12:35

magic, that spark about him. You know,

12:38

he's obviously got a very different physical

12:40

profile to Brendan. But Jorginho

12:42

Routaire was kind of the player that

12:44

really made that team tick or could take

12:46

the game by the scruff of the

12:48

neck and decide to Yeah, to do something

12:50

on his own. Brendan is very much

12:52

more of a team player. He

12:55

is less of an individual standout.

12:57

And I'm sure if you if you

12:59

asked the coaching staff, they'd say

13:01

that the work that Aronson does off

13:03

the ball allows the other players

13:05

to excel. But like

13:07

I say, you know, it's it's kind

13:09

of I can understand why supporters are

13:11

looking at his numbers and thinking he's

13:13

not the man to be the starting

13:16

number 10 in the Premier League. I

13:18

certainly think he's a useful player for

13:20

high turnovers coming off the bench in

13:22

the Premier League when you're going up

13:24

against tired defenses. But yeah, I think

13:26

there's this maybe a little question mark

13:28

around whether he will be that first

13:30

choice. So I just want

13:32

to say that Leeds did not get promoted with

13:34

Giorgino Ruter as the number 10. They had a

13:37

hell of a season, but just couldn't get to

13:39

the finish line. But they did with Brendan Aaronson

13:41

as the number 10. Just throwing that out there.

13:44

The Ruter, obviously, a very talented and is demonstrating

13:46

that with Brighton this season. When we look

13:48

back at the stats for Brendan Aaronson, when they

13:50

were in the Premier League, 36 matches, he

13:52

had one goal and three assists. Now he wasn't

13:54

playing in the same position, playing for a

13:56

different manager. So there a lot of

13:58

different elements attached to it. I guess our

14:01

big concern here from the U .S. men's national

14:03

team perspective is, is he a guy that Daniel

14:05

Farca or any Premier League team, if I

14:07

don't think he's going to make a move, but

14:09

can you trust him to be the guy? To

14:11

make plays yes in certain elements as you've

14:13

described Joe he can he can go out

14:15

there He's gonna give you the honest effort He's

14:18

gonna make the game easier for some of

14:20

his teammates But is that enough because because

14:22

you're not just you're not just trying to

14:24

I mean you want to survive of course, but

14:26

you there's an element of going from survival

14:28

to then thriving and I don't know if

14:30

they have done that under his watch per

14:32

se There are moments of course you see it,

14:34

but can you do it consistently? So that's

14:36

our big concern leading into a World Cup

14:38

it Do we want a guy that's just going

14:40

to come off the bench in the Premier

14:42

League to sharpen his teeth before a big

14:44

World Cup that we're hosting? I don't

14:46

know. That's not even a question, Joe. I'm just

14:48

kind of rambling at this point. But when you think

14:51

about leads going forward, what kind of business do you

14:53

think they're going to do? Because there's clearly some

14:55

areas where they need to improve. And we could argue

14:57

that they probably need to improve in every line of

14:59

the field. Yeah, I think

15:01

so. They'll probably

15:03

look to strengthen in central defence because they're

15:05

a little bit like there in terms

15:07

of squad places. Pascal

15:09

Stroke has had some injury issues over

15:11

the past couple of seasons, so

15:13

they'll probably add there and just

15:15

bulk out the options that they

15:17

have. I do think

15:19

that they will have a real

15:22

eye on targets at number 10

15:24

and also at centre forward. Joel

15:26

Pirro scored four goals in the first half

15:28

yesterday. He is the person you want to put

15:30

your house on. when there is a chance

15:32

and you've got one cool -headed individual in the

15:35

stadium to put it away. The

15:37

only issue I have and a lot

15:39

of people have with Peru is that in

15:41

the Premier League, is he going to

15:43

be getting as many chances? Probably

15:45

not. And then,

15:47

you know, his all -round play has

15:49

on occasion been very, very good, but

15:52

it's too infrequent. He's very

15:54

much a finisher and there's nothing wrong with that.

15:56

you know, he's in the team specifically to do

15:58

that. And he's done it very well, could finish

16:00

with the championship golden boot. But

16:02

I think they'll look to add a

16:04

striker, they look to add at number

16:06

10. It's a position that they have

16:08

looked to try and supplement in recent

16:10

transfer windows, but just haven't been able

16:12

to find the right fit because of

16:14

budget or because of, you know, other

16:17

reasons, you know, maybe the management hasn't

16:19

agreed with the recruitment or whatever. And

16:21

I think as well, maybe in

16:24

the fullback positions, because Junior Furpo

16:26

is out of contract on the

16:28

left -hand side. I

16:30

imagine there'll be an offer to

16:32

extend him to stay, but he's likely

16:34

to have offers from Spain. And

16:38

yeah, I think

16:40

the conversations that we've had in the

16:42

press room are basically, they'll probably need six

16:44

or seven players to sustain themselves in

16:46

the Premier League. Joe, real quick follow up.

16:49

Sorry, tones. I know your next in

16:51

line here, but, but how much do you

16:53

think leads are actually going to spend

16:55

Joe? Cause, cause as we'd see in the

16:57

modern day, Premier League, you got to

16:59

be spending a lot and obviously you got

17:01

to manage that money. Right. We've seen

17:04

a lot of teams spend and not do

17:06

well, but where do you think that

17:08

the 49ers are going to come in and

17:10

open up the pocketbooks to make leads

17:12

as competitive as possible? I

17:14

think in terms of the ownership picture, leads

17:16

are probably in a better, better. financial

17:19

states than the teams that went up

17:21

last season. So Leicester, Ipswich

17:23

and Southampton. Leicester, I think, spent

17:25

£75 million last summer. I

17:27

think Leeds will need to spend more

17:29

than that because we've seen how Leicester

17:31

season has gone. Southampton, I

17:34

think Russell Martin acknowledged that they

17:36

probably didn't spend or spent too

17:38

much on the wrong players. And

17:41

Ipswich, I quite liked Ipswich's business, but

17:43

I think there was far too much work

17:46

to be done on that squad, which

17:48

had back -to -back promotions, the

17:50

core of it was still a

17:52

league one championship squad. I

17:55

think in terms of a number, you're

17:57

looking at somewhere between 100 and 150

17:59

million is what ultimately teams have to

18:01

spend to stay up. You look

18:03

at the ones who've been successful in recent years, Nottingham

18:06

Forest, they've been a

18:08

good example of it, Brentford as well. Although

18:11

Brentford's trading model, same as Brighton's trading

18:13

model, is something I'm not sure leads

18:15

can replicate at the moment. But

18:17

for us, you know, they

18:19

really went to the wall in

18:21

terms of profitability and sustainability

18:23

and, you know, abiding by those

18:26

guidelines. It

18:28

probably feeds into a wider discussion

18:30

about the disparity between the Premier League

18:32

and the championship and revenues. But

18:34

I think that's essentially what leads have

18:36

to do in order to make

18:39

themselves competitive, certainly in the bottom half.

18:41

Never mind even thinking about the

18:43

top half yet. Well,

18:45

I'm just curious about the sort

18:47

of temperature around American players. Obviously,

18:49

Jesse Marsh was there for a

18:52

little while. Weston McKinney

18:54

made the move there, didn't go well

18:56

for him. You

18:58

know, Tyler Adams, the,

19:01

and I suppose the question with Daniel

19:03

Farke and I'm. trying to circle around

19:05

to Brandon Aronson with this thing, because

19:07

we saw Josh Sargent, right? Go into

19:09

the Premier League with Norwich and, you

19:11

know, a guy that we expected to

19:13

be an attacking part of the field,

19:15

literally never crossed midfield the entire season,

19:18

right? Played as a right winger for

19:20

that team. Just sort of the temperature

19:22

now with everything that happened, it leads

19:24

with, I'm going to say with American

19:26

players slash coaches there, what they

19:28

feel like, because I feel like

19:30

Brandon Aronson Has done a decent

19:32

job. They clearly believe in him

19:34

as Charlie said over 40 starts

19:36

for the club in the number

19:38

10 position for the team that

19:40

scored the most goals in the

19:42

league So they must believe there's

19:44

something there and maybe something that

19:46

they can still get out of

19:48

him Yeah, I wouldn't say that

19:50

there's like an anti -American sentiment

19:52

towards towards, you know any sort

19:54

of US based influence at leads

19:56

I mean the owners are from

19:58

the States. So, you know, they've

20:00

broadly got the backing of the

20:02

fans. And I think

20:04

the way that Aronson came back

20:06

from that loan in Germany and

20:09

basically worked his way into the

20:11

team. And yes, he has proven

20:13

himself as a decent level number

20:15

10 in the championship. He's proven

20:17

himself to be reliable. He's

20:19

proven himself to be relied upon

20:21

in terms of availability, which is a

20:23

huge, huge commodity, especially when you've

20:26

got 46 league games to get through

20:28

and what is a grueling grueling

20:30

contest. I think the

20:32

McKenney situation was maybe a little bit

20:34

different in that. I think

20:36

fans felt that his buy -in maybe

20:38

wasn't at the level that they

20:40

wanted it to be. Given

20:43

that it was on loan and when it became apparent

20:45

that you know leads were pretty much going to go down.

20:47

It kind of felt as though he

20:49

maybe wasn't at the same sort

20:51

of buy -in as others. Tyler

20:53

Adams was very much a fan favorite

20:56

until. the nature or the manner in

20:58

which he left the club, which for

21:00

fans of any team, it's going to

21:02

leave a little bit of a sour

21:04

taste. At

21:07

that point, you can't fault them either,

21:09

right, Joe? You're

21:11

bought to play in the Premier League.

21:13

That's your ambition. You get a taste

21:15

of it. The next thing you know, the team's relegated. The

21:18

coach is sacked, that brought you in. And

21:20

you're like, hey, I'm not here to play

21:22

in the championship. I want to leave. And

21:24

I know that. rubs fans the wrong way,

21:26

but you can't fault him and look at

21:28

how he's he's kind of excelled with with

21:30

Bournemouth. If you

21:32

look at it from sort of a

21:34

purely professional standpoint, which is a very

21:36

idealistic way of putting it given how

21:38

emotional football is, you can you can

21:41

look at the decisions that the players

21:43

who left the summer that leads were

21:45

relegated and say, OK, they're doing that

21:47

to protect their livelihood. They're doing that

21:49

to protect their career. But

21:52

I think you'd be hard pushed to

21:54

find fans of any club, justifying things

21:56

in a professional sense. You know, it's

21:58

all about heart and emotion and passion,

22:00

isn't it? And you want,

22:02

you want the, I don't know, you

22:04

kind of want the players who've not

22:06

got you relegated, but who've been in that

22:08

team who were relegated with you to

22:10

show that they've got the metal and the

22:13

fortitude to go, no, you know what,

22:15

we're going to get you promoted again. So

22:17

I think that was kind of the the

22:20

dichotomy there of the whole Adam situation.

22:23

The days of Del Piero are long gone. The

22:27

days of that, I'm going to stick

22:29

with my club, write it out, forget

22:31

contracts, forget this. Those days

22:33

are gone, my friend. And if you

22:35

are from Leeds, then I think you

22:37

have every right to stay and say,

22:40

I want to bring my club back

22:42

up before I leave. But the reality

22:44

of the situation, I think it's very

22:46

difficult to say, man, I'm a foreigner.

22:48

I'm here to make the most of

22:50

my career, which is pretty short. Do

22:53

I want to play in the championship? And

22:55

yeah, I was part of this team getting relegated, but it wasn't

22:57

all my fault. You know what I mean? Yeah,

23:01

absolutely. And I think, I

23:03

mean, there were

23:05

more and probably players who

23:07

were maybe less. that fans

23:09

are less fond of who did depart that

23:11

summer. You know, there were, I

23:13

mean, Rasmus Christensen has been sold to

23:15

Eintracht Frankfurt. He's

23:18

leaving, I think, there

23:20

were sort of whispers that he

23:22

was maybe willing to stay that first

23:24

season after they were relegated and

23:26

then eventually he went out. There was

23:28

also the stuff about, you know,

23:30

how a lot of the members of

23:32

that squad who were relegated had

23:34

loan release closures. which meant that obviously

23:36

if leads were relegated, they were

23:38

eligible to go on loan per the

23:41

terms in their contract. So they

23:43

were simply just exercising the terms that

23:45

were agreed upon by their representatives

23:47

and the club. And

23:49

then you kind of have to go

23:51

back to, well, is that then the club's

23:53

issue that they've been handing out these

23:55

get -out clauses that when the going gets

23:57

tough in the Premier League, you've got nine

23:59

games to go, you need to win.

24:01

I think they needed to win approximately two

24:03

of those nine, and they didn't win

24:05

any of them. they

24:07

ultimately went down. But yeah, I think

24:09

what I do want to say

24:11

about Aronson, because I know this obviously

24:13

is a big U .S. audience, is

24:15

that I don't think many Leeds

24:17

fans anticipated him having the impact that

24:20

he has had this year. Whilst

24:22

it might not be the greatest impact

24:24

in terms of goals and assists, I'd

24:26

very much doubt if he'd said,

24:28

you know, 10 months ago when he

24:30

made it clear he wanted to

24:32

return to Elland Road and sort of

24:34

rewrite his Leeds narrative. I think

24:36

many people would have been shocked to

24:38

see him make 41 starts to

24:40

be almost in double figures for goals,

24:43

which, you know, from a purely

24:45

binary perspective is ultimately a

24:47

good season. All right, Joe,

24:49

last question. No, last question.

24:51

I'm sorry, Chuck. I'm taking the last question

24:53

here with Joe. Also, I'm going to admit

24:55

my, my American ness. I call it Yorkshire

24:58

evening posts. It's Yorkshire. Okay. Yorkshire evening posts.

25:00

That's where Joe writes and does his work,

25:02

scouted podcasts as well. We appreciate you coming

25:04

on the show. Okay. Last one with, with

25:06

regard to the two promoted teams, cause

25:08

we don't know who the third one's going

25:10

to be. They still have to go through

25:12

the promotion playoff and the championship. How

25:15

do you think Burnley and Leeds are gonna do next season

25:17

in the Premier League? If you had to get a crystal ball

25:19

out right now Do you think they stay up or do

25:21

you think they come right back down like we saw at the

25:23

other three teams in the Premier League this season? I

25:26

think based on the last

25:28

two seasons 17th on the final

25:30

day next season is viewed as

25:32

a success Because it is it

25:34

is literally all about staying in

25:36

that league I think of the

25:39

two that have that have

25:41

come up so far. I think

25:43

one One will go down.

25:45

I think the team that comes up

25:47

in the playoffs as well will also

25:49

go down, but I couldn't yeah, you

25:51

never know I mean we've seen this

25:53

year with Manchester United and Spurs You

25:55

know teams that have just dropped like

25:57

a stone. You don't know who that's

25:59

gonna happen to over the summer in

26:01

the Premier League Whether you know managers

26:03

leave influential managers and takes some players

26:05

with them whatever I would love I'd

26:07

love to see leads stay in the

26:09

Premier League next year because the

26:12

press food is so much better

26:14

in the family. Before

26:22

you get going and

26:24

you want to end

26:26

this thing and you

26:29

hijack the whole interview

26:31

anyways, he asked 15

26:33

questions. Joe,

26:35

Joe, if you you have Josh

26:37

Sargent and Joe Perot both level

26:39

on 15 goals. Who is

26:41

a better striker in your mind? Better

26:45

finisher, Joe Pirro.

26:49

Maybe all around. I'd

26:52

maybe say Sergeant because of versatility, but

26:54

it's a very close call. All

26:57

right. See, I didn't know you're going

26:59

to ask such a good question, Chuck. Otherwise, I would have

27:01

gotten out of the way. Some of your questions aren't always

27:03

the best. Just throwing it out there. Just

27:05

kidding, Joe. Thanks again for coming on the show. We're

27:07

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27:09

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29:01

And a shout out again to Joe Donahue

29:03

for coming on and giving us some insights

29:05

on leads, not only in how they performed

29:07

this season, but how the future looks like

29:09

for them in the Premier League next season.

29:11

I'm very curious about their summer 100 to

29:13

150 million. He says they have to spend

29:15

in the summer. Good

29:18

luck. Well, I don't know that it's hard to

29:20

spend money. I just hope they recruit the right

29:22

types of players. So they have a real chance

29:24

of staying up or let's get into Americans abroad.

29:26

And there was some big performances this weekend

29:28

from our player pool. And then I'm

29:31

going to ask the guys here that are

29:33

with me, who stood out for them

29:35

the most notable performers, Paxton Aronson, baby scored

29:37

his seventh goal of the air to

29:39

VC season in a big four zero win

29:41

for Utrecht versus IACs. They are definitely

29:43

going to be a top four in the

29:46

air to VC. And

29:48

they're tied on points with fine order right

29:50

now, but what a hell of a

29:52

season for Utrecht. It's been awesome. Tanner Testman

29:54

scored his first Liga goal and a

29:56

two one loss versus Son on TN. Son

29:58

on TN. This is a big Darby

30:00

here. Son on TN won their first Darby

30:02

over Leon in five and a half

30:04

years. So not a great performance for Leon

30:06

coming off of that capitulation against Manchester

30:08

United in the Europa League. Kevin Perez got

30:10

his first start, baby. After coming back

30:12

from injury, he got an assist and a

30:14

two, two draw versus Mainz. and excited

30:16

to see him back and running around Ralph.

30:18

Who's in huddle as his coach and

30:20

was full of praise afterwards about how special

30:22

Kevin praises Haji Wright scored his 12th

30:25

goal of the season and three one loss

30:27

to Plymouth and Coventry kind of almost

30:29

hoping they got to stay in the, they

30:31

got to stay in the top six.

30:33

So they give me the promotion playoff of

30:35

making it a little bit harder with

30:37

that loss. Johnny Cardoso scored his third goal

30:39

of the La Liga season and a

30:41

three one win for Real Betis versus Geron

30:43

of the currently in sixth in La

30:45

Liga, top five. top five because of the

30:47

coefficient make the champions league. So, and

30:49

they're also into the semi -finals of the

30:51

conference league, Europa conference league. So Real Betis,

30:53

uh, doing some good things. Johnny

30:55

Cardoso being trusted by Manuel Pellegrini. You love

30:57

to see it. Abusio scored. Want to

31:00

give a shout out to John Luc Abusio,

31:02

Jordy P Fox scored, uh, in a one

31:04

zero win over Toulouse. So some

31:06

names that maybe we don't talk about a

31:08

lot, but also having a notable performance. Big Tones,

31:10

come to you. Who stood out for you

31:12

out of the names that I talked about, or

31:14

maybe somebody that I didn't? Yeah, Paxton

31:16

continues to impress. You wonder what happens with

31:18

him at the end of the season if he

31:20

goes back to what is it, Frankfurt, right? Yeah.

31:24

Yeah, Haji Wright is an interesting one still

31:26

because the guy just quietly goes about

31:28

his business, right? And he just scores goals.

31:30

And we did a little thing on

31:33

morning footy today with him. And I was

31:35

asked, does he get a call to

31:37

the national team? All he can

31:39

do is keep scoring goals, right? Because that door

31:41

is open still. That door is, you know,

31:43

there's no one, there's no one that's, you know,

31:45

I feel like we talked about the number

31:47

nine position, ad nauseam. There's no one that's locked

31:49

that thing down. And

31:51

I would imagine we're not in

31:53

a position to not look at

31:55

somebody who's scoring goals. Whether

31:58

it's Josh Sarge and him or Ajiman,

32:00

whoever it is. So

32:02

I'm happy that he's come back from

32:04

this injury. Obviously, we all thought he would

32:06

have been part of that Nations League

32:08

roster had he been on the preliminary roster.

32:10

And after they needed to make some changes,

32:13

they couldn't because he wasn't on that 60

32:15

man. They didn't think he'd come back so

32:17

soon, I'm guessing. So that's an interesting

32:19

one to follow as well. But he's got a lot of

32:21

work to do. Coventry, they

32:23

were in fairly good position. Now

32:25

they're still in a battle, which

32:27

is going to be fun for him

32:29

moving forward. Hopefully he gets to

32:31

a playoff and we can watch him

32:33

in some really, really important matches.

32:35

Yeah, just to give everybody an update,

32:38

Chuck, Bristol City's in

32:40

fifth right now on 67 points

32:42

in the championship. Coventry's on

32:44

66. Middlesbrough is on

32:46

63. They're in seventh. So they're outside

32:48

looking in. Millwall is on 63 as well.

32:50

Blackburn's on 62. So Coventry

32:52

and Middlesbrough play each other on the last

32:54

day of the season at Coventry. And

32:57

Coventry plays away the lutein this upcoming in

32:59

their next game. So they need to get

33:01

some points there that not everything's riding or

33:03

dying on this Middlesbrough game at the end.

33:05

But yeah, anybody else stand out, Chuck? And

33:07

I actually want to get into a bigger

33:09

conversation about Brendan and Josh Sargent and all

33:11

that. But ahead. Johnny

33:14

Cardoso, we have to talk

33:16

about him now at

33:18

the moment. 23 years

33:20

old, killing it at Real

33:22

Bet is another massive goal for

33:24

him with the club. I

33:26

mean, he was near perfect on the ball

33:28

with the 27 of 29 passes in this

33:30

game. I think he's

33:32

really found a good role within this

33:34

team. And Isco obviously is the

33:36

guy that makes this team tick. But

33:39

in terms of Being an outlet

33:41

and being able to, you know, shuttle

33:43

the ball across, I think he

33:45

has good positioning. He's not, he's not

33:47

the most aggressive ball winner when

33:49

you're talking about midfielders, but what he

33:51

does do is he picks up

33:53

second balls. He finds the right space.

33:55

He's able to play forward. He's

33:57

always looking to play forward and not

33:59

backwards or play in that safe

34:01

pass. So I really like his growth

34:04

as he continues to get so

34:06

much playing time in LaLiga and they're

34:08

pushing. into the Champions League. I

34:10

know. So, you know, for Al Betis

34:12

or in the Champions League, maybe he's not

34:14

going anywhere. You know, because

34:16

we up, we talked about him being

34:18

looked at by Tottenham looked at, you

34:20

know, but if I'm Johnny Cardoso and

34:22

we qualify to play in the Champions

34:24

League next season, I'm not going anywhere. What

34:27

about Europa League? Because they're in

34:30

that spot now. Sorry, Jim. They're

34:32

in that spot now and they're

34:34

in semi -final, right? Of the

34:36

conference league, right? If they win

34:38

that, they would be in Europa League no matter what. Do

34:41

you look at Europa League the same

34:43

way? I would. I think it'd be

34:45

hard not to stay. Well,

34:47

Tony, it's not only that.

34:50

You're playing in European competition. You're

34:52

in La Liga, but more importantly, you have

34:54

a role under a manager who trusts and

34:56

believe you. You're not going anywhere. You're going

34:58

to play. And so from that

35:01

standpoint alone, we talk about the year leading

35:03

up to the World Cup, consistency, playing.

35:06

He's at such a high level at

35:08

this moment. You would be foolish to

35:11

leave that situation to go into an

35:13

unknown or a wild card and a

35:15

year that that means everything. Yeah,

35:18

they've got they've got furantina in that

35:20

conference league. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's

35:22

exciting times. I'm games. Yeah. Really big

35:24

games. And I'm curious to see how

35:26

Betis manages it, given that they're in

35:28

the semifinals and they've got these other

35:30

competitions there. I, when I looked at

35:32

their schedule, it didn't seem on paper

35:34

as hard as maybe some of the

35:36

other teams that the competing against, but.

35:39

Yeah. Yeah. Still have to go out there and perform. I

35:42

wanted to give a shout out to

35:44

Damien Downs scored for Colen this, this weekend,

35:46

uh, then Bundesliga two. He was a

35:48

man of the match for them in their

35:50

game against, uh, Munster. I'm not even

35:52

going to try to pronounce it because I'm

35:54

American. I'm just kidding. Uh, I more

35:56

often than not, I feel like I'm pretty

35:58

good with pronunciations, but not always. So,

36:00

so Colen are on top of the second

36:02

Bundesliga of 54 points. It's automatic promotion.

36:04

Deming Downs has obviously been, been excellent for

36:06

them for, for their manager Gerhard Stuber. I'm

36:09

curious, very similar, right? So it's okay. They

36:11

get up to the Premier League. Just

36:13

like we're talking about with Brennan Aaronson and Josh

36:15

Sargent. And well, Josh isn't going to get promoted, but,

36:17

but then what you get up there and then

36:19

how does, how does that look for you? Is your

36:21

team going to strengthen so you can be competitive

36:23

or are we going to see you just kind of

36:25

battling and hoping just to survive. So not to

36:27

go back down again, which is it maybe. highlighting

36:29

and showcasing all the talents that you can

36:31

bring to the game and as 360 as

36:34

possible. So, so interesting questions for some of

36:36

our players. Now I want to bring up

36:38

Josh Sargent. His manager just got fired. Johannes

36:40

Hough, the, the Dane just got sacked

36:42

with two games left to go. Jack Wilshire

36:44

is taking over for the last two

36:46

games of the season. And Josh, uh, 30

36:49

appearances and 15 goals, five assists. And

36:51

I actually thought that Joe was very kind

36:53

in terms of, and that was a

36:55

great question, Chuck, at the end of the,

36:57

of the interview. about how

36:59

he compared to Peru, who

37:02

has scored a ton of goals for Leeds and

37:04

has been so pivotal as to which player would be

37:06

the best. But it could be a system thing,

37:08

could be a playing style, whatever it is. I

37:11

do want to have a conversation, though, about

37:14

trust in a

37:16

way where, when

37:19

I think about Brett Anderson going up to

37:21

the Premier League, it could be Damien Downs going

37:23

up with Cologne up to the Bundesliga. If

37:26

those guys a year out from the World

37:28

Cup are going to just be super subs

37:30

or play on a team where they're going

37:32

to be handcuffed because they just don't have

37:34

the same type of talent as everybody else.

37:37

Is that a good lead up

37:40

going into it to a World

37:42

Cup? You know the answer to

37:44

that question. Okay. Good. So it's rhetorical. But

37:46

the second thing is, okay, what

37:49

I want to see. from our team, and

37:51

what I maybe didn't see enough of it,

37:53

and I'm having some recency bias because I think

37:55

I've seen it in the past, but I

37:57

haven't seen it lately, is that we need

37:59

guys that are going to step up and

38:01

take responsibility and solve problems when shit's not going

38:03

well. And so if we

38:05

have guys that are getting into those promotional areas

38:07

and then are scraping in the top leagues,

38:09

I just don't know if they're going to have

38:11

a lot of those opportunities to solve problems

38:13

and be on a team where they can impact

38:15

the game and have more influence. And so

38:17

I wonder, From their perspective, what's best

38:19

for their career or how does it even matter?

38:21

I just want to play in the Premier League.

38:23

If the World Cup works out, it works out.

38:26

It's a bigger conversation, but I just kind of

38:28

wanted to get it started in there. As a

38:30

resident number nine, Chuck, I'm going right back to

38:32

you. Well, every

38:34

player has a different path. Every

38:37

player's experience will be

38:39

different and given their talent.

38:41

So you're never going to

38:43

have 20 players who play

38:45

in La Liga or the

38:47

English Premier League or the

38:49

Bundesliga or Syria. And

38:51

they're going to be the main guy

38:54

on their team. And their their their

38:56

focus is to generate opportunities and be

38:58

creative. That's not how it works. It's

39:00

a balance. And so there are players

39:02

who you expect to be the guy

39:04

scoring goals and being a finisher. You

39:06

have other strikers who are who are

39:09

tasked with hold up play who are

39:11

creative creative with the runs that they

39:13

make to open up open up. get

39:15

pathways for other players in the attacking

39:17

third. You have guys who are focused on

39:19

one be one dribbling and being the

39:22

guy that either creates for himself or for

39:24

his teammates with with his moves on

39:26

the ball. I look at some of

39:28

the defenders. Some of them are going to be

39:30

tasked with playing long ball because that's their style.

39:32

They're not so much playing out of the back.

39:34

Some guys are great playing out of the back.

39:36

So I think it's about finding balance and especially

39:38

with the national team. Every team,

39:40

every player within the team is playing

39:43

in a different league. for a different

39:45

coach with different tactics. Some are playing

39:47

in the back three, some are playing

39:49

in a 433 or 442, whatever that

39:51

is. So I look at Pochettino and

39:53

say, he's in charge of saying, this

39:56

is my core group of

39:58

guys. These are my best 11,

40:00

12, 13. That's who

40:02

I need to play a formation

40:05

that suits them. And who fits in

40:07

to that scheme? Who fits in?

40:09

In what position and if Plan A?

40:11

As we always like to talk

40:13

about, plan A goes wrong. What is

40:15

plan B? What is plan

40:17

C? What does that look like? If Anthony

40:19

Robinson can't play, what does my team look

40:22

like? If Christian Pulisic can't play, what does

40:24

my team look like? Or Tyler Adams, goalkeeper

40:26

position. So I think, Jimmy, to

40:28

answer your question, every

40:30

player is going to be unique

40:32

in their situation because all of their

40:34

situations are different. I think we

40:36

can all say we need players to

40:38

be playing. We

40:41

don't mind them if there's a

40:43

few from the championship, but they're playing

40:45

at a high level. There's a

40:47

few in MLS that are absolutely killing

40:49

it. You're saying, hey, he's killing

40:51

it in MLS and he's playing every

40:53

match. Well, he's kind of earned

40:55

his way to get into the camp

40:57

and into the team versus maybe

40:59

a guy who a Western McKinney who

41:01

is playing at UVA, but maybe

41:03

he's playing 75 % of the games

41:05

and not 25 and 25 % not.

41:07

Maybe he's. You know, man of the

41:09

match in some games, playing left

41:11

wing back, playing right all over. But

41:13

at that point, you say, well,

41:15

he's at a UVA and maybe they're

41:17

top three. They're playing Champions League.

41:19

He's he's in those matches. He's

41:22

got to be at least in the

41:24

squad. And then it's on Pochettino to figure

41:26

out what that that balance is, because

41:28

it's going to be a mix of different

41:30

personalities, different characters. And I think the

41:32

the onus is is on the players once

41:34

that is picked. Tones.

41:36

I guess, I guess to, to, and I like

41:39

that answer a lot, Chuck. I

41:41

guess what I'm looking for, maybe it is,

41:43

do we have enough players that that can take

41:45

over a game when it's time to take

41:47

over a game? And that can be defensive presence,

41:49

making sure we're not dropping too deep. The

41:51

lines aren't collapsing on top of each other, solving

41:53

problems, managing the game. Go ahead,

41:55

Chuck. You seem like you want to hop back

41:57

in. Yeah, I was going to say, but why

41:59

do we need a number of players to figure

42:01

out a game? Look at across Did you see

42:03

the nation's league? Did you see the nation's league

42:05

though? Like we had guys that didn't want that

42:07

responsibility or didn't step up when, when the moment

42:09

came, right? So I told, I acknowledge my recency

42:12

bias, but that's what I'm pissed about. Yeah. And

42:14

you have every right to be pissed after that

42:16

nation's league. I think we all are. What I'm

42:18

saying is you don't need a number of players

42:20

to say, I'm going to break down. I'm going

42:22

to take it on myself to be creative. Oh,

42:25

if you look at that match, knowing how Panama

42:27

is going to play in a five, four, one, I

42:30

think the messaging has to be clear,

42:32

which is. In transition, we got to

42:34

be direct. We can't waste time. They're

42:36

going to collapse into their box. They're

42:38

going to make it super difficult. We

42:41

have to be excellent in transition in

42:43

counterattacks. We have to be excellent and set

42:45

pieces and give our guys a chance.

42:47

And if we do get that one opportunity,

42:49

guess what? We score first. We force

42:51

them to come out of their low block.

42:53

We force them to change their game

42:55

plan. That's as simple as it needed to

42:58

be. And they had their chances. There

43:00

was one or two early in the first

43:02

half, Josh Sargeant. I look at him. We

43:04

didn't finish. And then we paid the price in

43:07

the end. So it doesn't have to be, Oh,

43:09

we need five, six, seven players who can break

43:11

down a low block. I'm not saying that you

43:13

need one or two, but I

43:15

tried to describe it as it's not always just

43:17

the creative players. We just need more guys that

43:19

want to take on the responsibility. And that includes

43:21

the creative player, but go ahead, Tony. Yeah, to

43:23

use sort of your words. I don't know that

43:25

we need that many to take over a

43:27

game. I think we first have to start. We

43:30

need players to take over their position, right?

43:32

We need players to lock down

43:34

their position. We don't have

43:36

center backs locked down. I don't care what

43:38

anybody says right now. There's no, you can't

43:40

predict who the center backs are. If they

43:43

asked us today to predict who the center

43:45

backs are, we'd probably have three different pairings,

43:47

right? Or we'd predict the same just out

43:49

of default right now because there's no one

43:51

really grabbing the position. We got

43:53

guys and I think this is what tab

43:55

Ramos was saying a couple of weeks to

43:57

us a couple of weeks ago to us

43:59

is that guys are still role like Chris

44:01

Richards is a role player crystal palace So

44:03

then we're asking him to come here and

44:05

be the number one center back and be

44:07

but he's a role player a guy like

44:09

Christian Polisic is a guy who changes a

44:11

game at Milan So what the expectation is

44:13

that he comes over here and changes the

44:15

game with a national team He might be

44:17

one of those guys, kind of what you're

44:19

alluding to here. We expect, Josh

44:22

Sargent, if he's scoring goals at his club, we

44:24

expect him to come here. So we didn't get

44:26

that out of him. Although, if you want to

44:28

be fair to him in the Nations League, he

44:30

had two chances, two of which,

44:32

one he buried, the other one he

44:34

needs to bury, because that's sometimes you

44:36

don't get a mulligan in this game anymore.

44:38

You get one chance, right, to score

44:40

a goal, and that has to be

44:42

it for you. But I think, Jimmy, to

44:44

your point is, We need more guys

44:46

who are locking down there. Anthony Robinson,

44:49

he's locked down the left back position.

44:51

Period. End of story. There's no discussion. He's

44:53

captain. Yeah, I'm with you. I agree

44:55

with you 100%. So, but there's very

44:57

few. If you really think about Tyler Adams,

44:59

can we say, OK, he's locked

45:01

down the position. But in

45:03

the case of a goalkeeper, and I'm

45:05

not trying to pick on Matt

45:07

Turner at all, he's locked down the

45:10

position because there's really nobody competing

45:12

right now, right? And we're almost there

45:14

by default, if you will. But

45:16

back to the original point that you're

45:18

talking about. I'm glad you ended, Charlie,

45:21

with the perfect rant about this whole

45:23

topic. I'm glad you ended it with,

45:25

we need people to play the period.

45:27

They need to be playing at their

45:29

club, going into the World Cup, no

45:31

matter what. And we

45:33

got Diego Luna. Diego Luna has made

45:35

his way. We're all high on Diego

45:37

Luna. And we should be. He's made

45:39

his way through MLS. Just

45:42

if you could transform

45:44

the two players, switch

45:46

Georena over the last

45:48

two seasons and switch

45:50

Diego Luna, say, right?

45:52

One guy's been playing

45:54

all the time in

45:56

his team, and you put

45:58

Diego Luna in Dortmund right now. OK,

46:00

he probably would make some more money. I

46:02

get all of that part. From a

46:04

footballing standpoint, would Diego Luna have gotten better

46:07

if he were in Georena's situation over

46:09

the last two years? Forget the injuries. I'm

46:11

just talking about the playing time. Would

46:13

Diego Luna have been a better player? You

46:16

tell me. I'm thinking

46:18

no. I'm thinking he

46:20

wouldn't because now he's 50 or

46:22

60 games further into his career

46:24

instead of 50 or 60 minutes

46:26

further into his career. No,

46:29

no, it's a great point. And I

46:31

do think that 50 or 60 games makes

46:33

a huge difference in terms of development. And

46:35

kind of getting to what I was saying, you're

46:37

learning how to, to get better at your

46:40

craft. And I love the way that you described

46:42

the big tones. You're learning how to get

46:44

better at your position and how to impact a

46:46

game and how you fit into a particular

46:48

system and how adaptable you can be to what

46:50

you were saying before, Chuck, about. plan A

46:52

to plan B to plan C, the more reps

46:54

that you're getting in different situations, the more

46:56

that you can solve problems quickly. And I love

46:58

that Chris Richards point as well. He, he,

47:01

yeah, he's a role player at Crystal Palace. I

47:03

guess what I would was in some way

47:05

kind of the underlying message was if Brett Anderson

47:07

is just a role player moving forward with

47:09

leads in the Premier League, and then that was

47:11

just going to be a super sub at

47:13

that level, how does that benefit him in terms

47:15

of, okay. Where is

47:17

he gonna get the reps to be the guy when

47:19

we need him to be the guy for the US

47:21

team or I'm using him as a symbol for a

47:24

kind of a bigger broader discussion and obviously we could

47:26

continue to talk about this ad nauseam, but we got

47:28

a we got a break to hit So we're gonna

47:30

take our next break and when we come back. I

47:32

got at my top five list We're doing a depth

47:34

chart here thing. We're going left backs, which should be

47:36

I mean, it's pretty locked down and who's number one

47:38

I don't know. I don't know about the wait and

47:40

see I'm throwing my name in

47:42

there for Eddie Lewis as number one, maybe to

47:45

Marcus Beasley, but we'll see how you guys feel

47:47

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48:53

Welcome back into the stretch road of

48:55

call what you want. I'm Conrad Dino

48:57

alongside big tones and Chuck bingo wagon

48:59

over there. And we're going to get

49:02

right into the depth chart or top

49:04

five for the left back. I actually

49:06

took this one on. And I do

49:08

think there are a few prefaces that

49:10

need to be mentioned. One is we're

49:12

leaving predominantly right sided players off of

49:14

this list. Okay. So we're looking at

49:17

the lefties and players that play on

49:19

the left side. A lot more than

49:21

they do on the right side, which

49:23

means the serginio deaths of the world

49:25

a Joe Scali will show up there

49:27

from time to time We're leaving them

49:30

off of this list. So I wanted

49:32

to make sure that very very clear

49:34

also what I think is interesting about

49:36

this position is that this is probably

49:38

The spot where it's the most clear

49:40

number one spot of the national team

49:42

Jedi Robinson's the guy at number one.

49:45

There's not even any question Who is

49:47

the guy? But then the drop -off from

49:49

one to whoever else is on the

49:51

list is probably the biggest of our,

49:53

of our group as well. So there's

49:55

a really long way of me saying

49:57

that Jedi Robinson, please don't be hurt

50:00

because we're just not as strong when

50:02

you're not on the field and all

50:04

that leadership stuff that I value highly

50:06

as well. Okay. So the rest of

50:08

my list, I got Tolkien at two.

50:10

I'm kind of like shrugging my shoulders

50:13

with who is after Jedi Robinson, but

50:15

got Tolkien. I think Max Arvston needs

50:17

to be in the list. Kevin

50:20

Paredes, I'm happy he's back. I think

50:22

he provides a different dynamic I mentioned before

50:24

Ralph who's an huddle his his coach

50:26

mentioned Or with had high praise part of

50:28

it was the kid made some great

50:30

tackles and I love that he's putting that

50:32

that I'm paraphrasing but putting that type

50:35

of shift in on that side of the

50:37

ball So so that's good because if

50:39

he really wants to be considered he's gonna

50:41

have to be able to do it

50:43

on both sides of the ball Caleb Wiley.

50:45

I think is in the mix as

50:47

well I don't really see him being a

50:49

legitimate option for 26. Hopefully that'll change

50:51

the conversation for 2030. But a year out,

50:53

I don't see Caleb Wiley breaking into,

50:55

into the team, but I'm putting them on

50:57

the list. Cause I think that he's

50:59

one for the future. Kevin Parades might be

51:01

in that conversation as well. I really

51:03

don't know guys. I think it's so clear.

51:05

Jedi Robinson. And then it's just two,

51:07

three, four, five, here are four names and

51:09

whoever's being the sharpest in a year

51:11

is going to make the team. Uh,

51:13

big tones. I'm coming to you. Where are

51:15

you on? Why you coming to me first? Because

51:19

I know you, I know, I know you love

51:21

lists and I know you love ratings and grades. Um,

51:29

yeah, I, I suppose if you're not going

51:31

to count Dest and Scali, um, yeah,

51:34

I guess that's their, who, who

51:36

else, who else were options in

51:38

that position? Um, I

51:40

don't know. Were you struggling over anybody? I

51:43

mean, I left

51:45

him out because it just doesn't seem

51:47

like he's part of the team's plans

51:50

that impacted. Yeah. You got DeWon Jones,

51:52

but I think he's more right -sided

51:54

than you got. Well, I think. I

51:56

think he put any there before. Yeah.

51:58

Bruce Serena just traded for DeWon Jones

52:00

to go to San Jose. So. That

52:03

would be the one. If

52:05

he comes good over the next

52:07

couple of months, he could probably move

52:09

into that list. But

52:11

I know what your assignment

52:14

was, and it wasn't easy. But

52:16

there's a lot of guys in front of some

52:18

of those. Outside of Anthony Robbins, of course, we

52:20

all know that, right? I don't think anyone argues

52:22

that. There's a lot of guys ahead

52:24

of some of those guys. Would you

52:26

play Austin, trust you there? over

52:30

over some of those guys. What think?

52:33

Would he consider Tim Reem there? You know,

52:35

I don't know. I mean, know he's been

52:37

playing there quite a bit for Charlotte. I

52:39

know. Yes. Left -sided guy. I don't

52:41

know. I don't would consider him there. Yeah.

52:44

I don't know that I would consider him there. If

52:48

everyone was healthy, I'd be

52:50

Jedi for sure. Probably desk second.

52:53

Maybe, maybe McKinney third. I feel like

52:55

we wouldn't even get into. Remember,

52:57

Timothy way up. Timothy way, I played

52:59

a whole season at left back

53:01

at Leo. So yeah, it's another

53:03

one. You could have scally could play on that side.

53:05

It's just, I don't even know if we get it to

53:07

number two. Don't ever mention scally on the left side

53:09

again. Please. Okay. You've seen enough

53:11

truck. Yeah. I've seen enough. I've

53:13

seen from field level. You were

53:15

down a field level from field

53:17

level. I've seen enough. I've

53:19

seen enough. Correspondent. What were you

53:21

the correspondent? What was your

53:23

title contributing analyst? That's right.

53:26

That's your best role for me, Chuck.

53:28

Just throwing it out there. I

53:30

honestly couldn't agree more with you, Jimmy.

53:32

But what I will say is

53:35

there's a massive drop off after Anthony

53:37

Robinson. So, you know, unfortunately,

53:39

the team, the team's dynamic completely

53:41

changes when you, when you're missing

53:43

such an influential player in the

53:45

team as your left back, who

53:47

gets up and down. You, you,

53:49

we talk about Brandon Aronson being

53:51

consistent and someone you can count

53:53

on. in the championship for a

53:55

team like Leeds who's scoring at

53:57

an alarming rate, yet your number

53:59

10 has only scored two goals

54:02

and gives you zero assists in

54:04

all of 20 -25 so far. Yet,

54:07

Anthony Robinson, here he is,

54:09

being as consistent as ever for

54:11

both Fulham and for our

54:13

country in the national team. You

54:15

know exactly where you're going to

54:17

get from him every single time. Even

54:19

if a cross is a ray

54:22

or a ball, you just know he's

54:24

going to be consistent. And his

54:26

base line, his foundation is extremely high.

54:28

So unfortunately, it's

54:30

almost weak. We

54:33

are a different team without him, unfortunately. There's

54:35

no life for life. There's no one even

54:37

close. Is he our most valuable player

54:39

like is the drop -off when Jedi's not on

54:41

the field? Is that the most significant loss we

54:43

can suffer? Because let's say

54:45

Christians not available We could come up

54:47

with a couple other guys that

54:49

could be or solutions right to the

54:51

starting 11 or whatever Jedi's not

54:54

on the field and it feels like

54:56

we're moving heaven and earth to

54:58

try to figure out how we're gonna

55:00

solve the lack of presence from

55:02

him tones Yeah I

55:04

would think he is. We could make

55:06

up in the attacking part of field

55:08

side just doing something different. We

55:11

have more players in that line

55:13

of three if it's a 4 -2 -3

55:15

-1 or in that underneath the forward

55:17

position. Yeah, I

55:19

would say so. He just

55:21

coming, I'm trying to think if

55:23

I'm missing anybody. Tyler Adams would be the other guy

55:25

that I don't want to miss in the middle of

55:27

the field. I'm

55:30

I don't think I'm missing anybody that

55:32

influential on the field so it would

55:34

be the three would be Anthony Robinson

55:36

Tyler Adams Christian Pulisic for me if

55:38

you're asking me I know you have

55:40

lists and ratings Jimmy. Yeah, but I'd

55:43

also I'd also I think we're also

55:45

forgetting serginio desk because he's been out

55:47

for so long Yeah, you're probably right,

55:49

but what what a miss that has

55:51

been on the opposite side So we're

55:53

talking about left back and right back

55:55

being so influential because one Anthony Robinson

55:57

just getting up and down with his

55:59

pace and strength and timing and delivery.

56:02

He's just as good as a defensive

56:04

left -back as he is going forward. That's

56:07

rare. He's among the top

56:09

left -backs in the world. Now,

56:11

Sojin Udes on the other side, it's rare

56:13

for a right -back to be such a

56:15

good dribbler. Now, he's he's much more

56:17

advanced in as an attacking right back than

56:19

he is defensively. But I think in

56:21

the last World Cup, all the questions we

56:23

had about Sergio Dess as a defensive

56:25

right back, he answered them. He showed up

56:27

defensively. So I know we always focus

56:29

on what he can do offensively. We say

56:31

he lacks defensively, but he can do

56:33

what you need to write back to do

56:35

defensively. Not any not anything superb or

56:37

or above above average, but good enough. But

56:39

what he gives you in the attacking

56:41

phase of play. is, is dynamic and dangerous.

56:43

And it changes the game for us

56:45

as well. I think what Anthony's evolved into

56:47

is that we all know, and I

56:49

think full and fans can say the same,

56:51

that you're going to get a seven

56:53

or eight out of 10 from him every

56:55

single game, which really speaks to his

56:57

evolution as a player, his consistency as a

56:59

player. And the other Tyler Adams, we

57:01

feel the same way, Tony. So that's why

57:03

I think he's on your, your top

57:05

three there. Christian Pulisic would be the other

57:07

one where you know, you're going to

57:09

get seven or eight out of them every,

57:11

okay. They're going to be blips where

57:13

maybe you don't get as much, but ultimately

57:15

that's why they're, they feel irreplaceable. What's

57:17

interesting about Tyler though is I think you

57:19

can have a big conversation about the

57:21

emergence of Johnny Cardoso and Tanner Tessman that,

57:24

that we could have other options now.

57:26

It's not so bleak if Tyler isn't around.

57:28

And, and to be honest, he gets,

57:30

he gets hurt a lot and we've had

57:32

to survive without him in some ways.

57:34

I do think he'd be a big mess

57:36

for, for a lot of reasons, but,

57:38

um, but yeah, I think we

57:40

could, there's something about Jedi and not having

57:42

him available. that I think makes it, or him,

57:44

the most valuable player. I think he's the

57:46

one, the one, him and Desk, I put them

57:48

in the same bracket. You're right, Charlie. We

57:50

probably forget about Desk a little bit, right? Because

57:52

of the injury and hopefully he comes back. One

57:55

thing they both have had always

57:57

in them is they put the opponent

57:59

under pressure from the wide areas

58:01

all the time, because they're always looking

58:03

to get forward. And

58:05

now that Anthony Robinson has cleaned up

58:07

the crossing a heck of a

58:09

lot over the years, he becomes even

58:11

more dangerous. And if Pochettino is

58:13

going to use him in the way...

58:15

What was it? Jamaica leg two,

58:17

right? Where he used them in that

58:19

hybrid role. Then he becomes even

58:21

more effective. He's not going to be able to do

58:24

that against everybody, but those two guys are so influential.

58:26

I do want to mention, though, at the right back

58:28

position, as much as Serginio

58:30

Desk gives us in the attacking side, it's

58:32

been in reverse for Joe Scali because

58:34

he's not the attack. But Joe Scali

58:36

has not been bad defensively for us.

58:39

He's been pretty solid defensively for us.

58:41

We just don't get nearly as much

58:43

as... we've been used to over the

58:45

years from Sergino Desk, because he's not

58:47

that style of player, nor do I

58:49

think that you would even ask him

58:51

to be that style of player, because

58:54

it's not necessarily his profile. But

58:56

I just wanted to mention, I don't think he's

58:58

been bad defensively for us. We just have to play

59:00

differently. Yeah, if we have healthy

59:02

Jedi on one side and Desk on the other,

59:04

we become a lot more dynamic as we

59:06

can create overloads. Uh, on both sides, uh, of

59:08

the field, which is, which is nice where

59:10

I say in the wide areas on both sides

59:12

of the field. Uh, so Marisa Pochettino going

59:14

to pivot a little bit here. Marisa Pochettino went

59:16

to Watford versus Burnley. And

59:18

it makes me wonder, Chuck,

59:21

who he's scouting. You got Caleb Wiley right

59:23

there for Watford. And then you have Luca

59:25

Coliocio for Burnley. And then Coliocio can play

59:27

for us, but has never really taken a

59:29

step in that direction. We know that he

59:31

can play. No, I think, I think he's

59:33

closer to Canada than he is to the

59:35

United States. If I'm going to, yeah, we're

59:37

here and Jesse Marsh is going full court

59:39

press. He can also play for Italy. So,

59:42

so that's interesting.

59:45

Where do you think Marisa Pochettino's responsibility is

59:47

to recruit more dual nationals? Because he

59:49

already came out and said he's not going

59:51

to beg anybody to play for us.

59:54

And Luca might fall into that category. If

59:56

he's leaning somewhere else or we'll express

59:58

our interests, but we're not going to beg

1:00:00

the guy to do it. Yeah,

1:00:02

I think, again, there's

1:00:05

always going to be a balance

1:00:07

of finding an international, dual international, that

1:00:09

you would want to play for

1:00:11

your team. And you'd ask, hey, you

1:00:13

interested in coming. We would like

1:00:15

to take a look at you if

1:00:17

this is something you're open to

1:00:19

versus. Hey, please, please come

1:00:21

play with us. We'll give you

1:00:23

everything. You're not going to, you're

1:00:25

going to have to wait four years to

1:00:28

play with England or three years or four

1:00:30

years to play with Italy or some of

1:00:32

these bigger nations. Come play with us now.

1:00:34

We'll give you a World Cup spot. I

1:00:36

beg of you. I think there's two different

1:00:38

approaches. And I think Pajitina will gladly say,

1:00:40

hey, I know you're a dual national. We

1:00:43

need a, we need a, I

1:00:45

love your game. You've earned a

1:00:47

national team call up and we'd

1:00:49

love for you to come. And

1:00:51

if the conversation is pleasant, and

1:00:53

I don't think Pochettino is in

1:00:55

the business of guaranteeing spots or

1:00:57

guaranteeing a World Cup appearance if

1:00:59

they convert. So for me,

1:01:01

you're never closing the door in

1:01:03

a dual national, especially when

1:01:06

you're a foreign manager coaching the U .S.

1:01:08

men's national team. What are you going to

1:01:10

say? You got to be... born and raised

1:01:12

in America, playing in America, or you can't

1:01:14

be a part of this national team. No,

1:01:16

he's always going to be interested. If you're

1:01:18

going to make the national team better and

1:01:20

you've earned it and you deserve it, then

1:01:22

of course that opportunity is going to be

1:01:24

open. But again, you should never

1:01:26

have to beg someone to come play

1:01:28

for the U .S. men's national team.

1:01:31

I think people got caught up in

1:01:33

Pochettino's words, right? When he said, I'm

1:01:35

not going to beg anybody. They automatically

1:01:37

took it like. Pochettino is not going

1:01:39

to recruit dual nationals. I think we

1:01:41

know internally, right? They are recruiting dual

1:01:43

nationals. But like Chuck expressed, we

1:01:45

don't need to beg you and promise

1:01:48

you things that you want to get

1:01:50

to play for the national team. I

1:01:52

also think it's starting to become a.

1:01:54

I think guys guys know who they

1:01:56

want to play for they know what

1:01:58

what feels best for them It's not

1:02:00

like I know I don't think you're

1:02:03

gonna change a lot of minds anymore

1:02:05

Unless of course you're gonna go out

1:02:07

and promise the world and We

1:02:09

we've we've done a really good

1:02:11

job with dual nationals over the years

1:02:13

in winning the battles for dual

1:02:15

nationals We don't lose a ton of

1:02:18

a ton. I thought Greg Berhalter

1:02:20

regime did a really good job of

1:02:22

Making sure guys were comfortable being

1:02:24

here. Just think about the whole Balagon

1:02:26

recruitment Making sure that he under

1:02:28

Sergino desk the tabromos did did that

1:02:30

right with the youth national teams

1:02:32

And then they they had to do

1:02:34

it even after playing in youth

1:02:36

World Cups. They had to do it

1:02:38

again but they wanted them to

1:02:40

feel comfortable. Again,

1:02:43

there's moments where, for

1:02:46

the national team, you got to know, you

1:02:48

guys, we've all been there, right? You want to

1:02:50

look around and know that everyone wants to

1:02:52

be there, because there have been a couple of

1:02:54

guys over the years that you looked around

1:02:56

and you wondered, Man, I'm not quite sure that

1:02:58

he wants to be here. And

1:03:01

we know we don't have to go

1:03:03

through any of the names, but we've

1:03:05

been there before. Names, names, names. No,

1:03:07

we don't have. But you guys know

1:03:10

that's the truth, right? So, yeah, look,

1:03:13

has Cole Osho, has he played a

1:03:15

lot this year? I feel like

1:03:17

I've covered the EFL. I feel like

1:03:19

every week that I'm there, I

1:03:21

don't do it every week, obviously, but

1:03:23

any week I'm there, I'm like,

1:03:25

I look, he doesn't start a game.

1:03:28

You know, so I'd have to go

1:03:30

back and do a deeper dive.

1:03:32

I'm just curious. He's got 19 starts

1:03:34

and 27 appearances, two goals and

1:03:37

no assist. Yeah. And I know he

1:03:39

was injured. I think it was

1:03:41

the Christmas period. If I'm not mistaken, Jeff

1:03:43

Shrieves was in. We were talking about it. It

1:03:45

just coming to mind as we chat. So

1:03:48

it's about half the games, right? Slightly

1:03:50

less than half the games

1:03:52

he's played or started in.

1:03:55

Yeah. He hasn't played much. Um,

1:03:59

he only has one 90 minute game. His

1:04:01

last 90 minute game was mid -December. Okay.

1:04:03

Last question before we let everybody go.

1:04:05

Do you think Marisa Pochettino then should be

1:04:07

trying to get these guys in either

1:04:09

in June or even for the gold cop.

1:04:11

I'm talking Coleo show, which doesn't seem

1:04:13

likely maybe a Richie Ledesbach, giving him a

1:04:15

run out. Nathaniel Brown, who could be

1:04:18

a left back option for us, 21 year

1:04:20

old place for Eintracht Frankfurt. And it's

1:04:22

been playing regularly. I like his game a

1:04:24

lot. Noah Kai Banks, the young center

1:04:26

back. at Augsburg, Damian downs. It seems like

1:04:28

he was going to get called in

1:04:30

check as our resident number nine, but had

1:04:32

to turn it down on the nation's

1:04:34

league. So, so do you expect any of

1:04:36

those guys, should they all be getting

1:04:38

proper looks now as we start to continue

1:04:40

to, you know, weed out who can

1:04:42

fit and who can't? Well, I

1:04:44

think for the striker position, we

1:04:46

know we need, we need. depth,

1:04:48

we need someone to come in and

1:04:50

show what they're capable of and Damian Downs

1:04:53

had had it not been for a

1:04:55

hand surgery would have been in the mix.

1:04:57

So I fully expect him to get

1:04:59

called in to the gold cup. Yeah, okay.

1:05:01

Okay, don't stones. What do you what

1:05:03

do you think how this is this is

1:05:05

gonna go for Pochettino Yeah, I would

1:05:07

imagine that he's the him and his staff

1:05:09

are doing what we talked about, right?

1:05:11

They're recruiting these guys and talking to these

1:05:13

guys and Then they have to make

1:05:15

a decision to come in. You know, and

1:05:17

I don't know how many of these

1:05:19

guys have been close to coming in.

1:05:21

We're like a Kolioshu. He's been in with

1:05:23

our youth national teams, right? He's been in, he

1:05:26

was called to the 23 Nations

1:05:28

League, that 60 man

1:05:30

roster for Canada already. He

1:05:33

was in a camp and then one camp

1:05:35

and they had, we read it yesterday, right? It

1:05:37

was the Iran game that maybe was canceled

1:05:39

for Canada. Then he obviously went home.

1:05:41

There was no game. So It seems like

1:05:43

he's closer to Canada than he is to

1:05:45

the U .S. and he's born in the

1:05:47

U .S., so I assume he has some feelings

1:05:49

about that. But yeah, I would think all

1:05:51

those guys you mentioned, all three of them,

1:05:53

Jimmy, they would be on the radar. And

1:05:56

I can't imagine they haven't been

1:05:59

spoken to already. Interesting times, as

1:06:01

always, for the U .S. men's

1:06:03

national team. And the time is

1:06:05

ticking away. Okay, one last comment.

1:06:07

From our amazing community before we

1:06:09

go and hits from Salvador says

1:06:11

I have my call it what

1:06:13

you want bingo card ready Tony

1:06:15

being muted Charlie interrupting someone Charlie

1:06:17

hating on any other not another

1:06:20

number nine who isn't him Jimmy

1:06:22

mentioning Zimmerman Jimmy getting a red

1:06:24

dot. I Absolutely love

1:06:26

that. I wonder if

1:06:28

If that bingo card We

1:06:31

need some more, but I love those. That

1:06:33

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