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you. an

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2:14

you want to be caught right

2:16

alongside Charlie Davies and Tony Viola's

2:18

back. Chuck, look who decided to

2:20

show. I guess his computer finally

2:22

updated everybody. It's finally updated. It's

2:24

crazy. 48 hours later. No,

2:26

I heard it was 72 hours. It

2:28

took two hours later. It

2:31

has updated. Well, this show

2:33

is going to be focused around my favorite

2:35

competition in this country, the US open

2:37

cup. This is the 110th edition. of

2:40

this competition. This competition is for everyone.

2:42

That's what makes it special. Everybody's

2:44

part of the conversation. And I

2:46

love that. And the third round just

2:48

completed. We now have the round of 32 booked

2:50

and stamped and ready to go. My favorite

2:52

part about this as well is that the open

2:54

cup from here on out is going to

2:56

be on Paramount plus CBS sports Glossom network. That's

2:59

awesome. Now big tones. Uh, any,

3:01

any big reactions from you, any

3:03

results that you saw, we're going to

3:05

break down every, every group.

3:08

and all the teams remaining, but I want to

3:10

give you the microphone first since we missed

3:12

you on Tuesday. Yeah,

3:14

a lot of good results. New Mexico

3:16

and United getting knocked out at home in

3:18

a place that's really difficult to play.

3:20

The Florida Derby between Tampa and Naples when

3:22

all the way to penalty kicks. Charlie

3:24

and I and, and, uh, Nate Bukati and,

3:26

and, uh, Mike LaHood last night. We're

3:28

here, I don't know, to like four in

3:30

the morning watching games. Um,

3:32

uh, Indy 11, we're going to have

3:34

Sean McCauley on here and a little

3:36

bit, one nil over Miami FC. That

3:38

one was a hundred and 23rd minute

3:40

or something around there. Republic

3:43

against El Farolito. I think

3:45

everyone's sort of darling team in

3:47

the competition. Farolito showed well,

3:49

but they didn't go through against

3:51

one of the Giants in

3:53

the USL. So far, really fun.

3:55

And now, as you mentioned, if

3:58

you're a fan of Cupsets, this is where

4:00

they get really, really exciting. Yeah,

4:02

because all the MLS teams now drop into it.

4:04

So if they won, if a team won in

4:06

the third round, They're going to

4:08

be automatically pitted against the 16 MLS

4:10

teams that now jump into this

4:12

competition. Chuck, now that you've seen the

4:14

draw and shout out to,

4:16

to Ali for being the one that

4:18

had all the pressure of having to pick the names,

4:20

uh, which, which matchup are you most

4:22

excited to see before we start to break down all of

4:25

them? Rhode Island. Rhode

4:27

Island. Come on. This is the New

4:29

England, Darby, new Rhode Island revolution.

4:31

Give it to me. But also gonna

4:33

be good. That's gonna be amazing.

4:35

But also Chicago fire, Detroit city, you

4:37

know, seeing Detroit's, I wish it

4:39

was at Detroit city. You

4:42

know, you got the train tracks

4:44

graffiti in the back. It

4:46

just looked like a really intimate

4:48

cool pitch. Like a city

4:50

pitch. But that'll be an

4:52

interesting one with Greg Berhalter

4:54

side, North Carolina, Charlotte. I like

4:56

that. And yeah, Charleston, Charleston, battery DC.

4:58

That's like an old school rivalry. I feel

5:00

like that. You know, I remember doing the

5:02

challenge cup playing for DC United. I

5:04

love Charleston. I love the culture of

5:06

the club there. It feels like it's

5:08

well supported. So we got some good

5:10

matchups. Give me some good, good matchups.

5:12

We should know it's before we get

5:14

into all these matchups. There are three

5:16

division, three teams remaining, three from USL

5:18

League one and only one. MLS

5:21

next pro team that the usl league

5:23

one teams are union Omaha who I

5:25

thought were excellent They they

5:27

took on San Antonio

5:29

from who are in the usl championship and

5:31

union Omaha for me were the better team

5:33

throughout It's union. Okay

5:35

union Berlin you union

5:37

Omaha. Okay, so so they're

5:40

in shadow shadow nuga red wolves

5:42

unbelievable performance and and had

5:44

to go make it

5:46

to two but but got

5:48

through and AV Alta FC,

5:50

AV Alta FC. They're from Lancaster,

5:52

California. So not too far from where

5:54

I grew up and really

5:56

excited to see how they performed. They also

5:58

won in pens. So, so congratulations to them.

6:01

And then Tacoma Defiance. I watched this

6:03

game in its entirety. They beat the Oakland

6:05

roots two to one. They did Dwayne de

6:07

Rosario's son in the 108th minute. to

6:09

score an extra time to push them through. And the roots

6:11

have to be a little bit disappointed just because they

6:13

had more of the chances they kind of gave that game

6:15

away. But that's it. I mean, you still have to

6:17

go out and perform no matter who's out in front of

6:19

you. You still have to go out there and perform.

6:22

And that's what I love about it. But listen, before we

6:24

actually get into the matchups, let's talk about what it

6:26

means to play against the team that you quote unquote

6:28

should beat on paper. Those games, I remember

6:30

walking into those games, telling us we would play

6:32

an open cup together in Kansas City and

6:34

you're like. Oh man, we got

6:36

to play the menace. So we got to play, you

6:38

know, Kansas City brass as a shout out to

6:40

the PDL. Like you'd play these teams. Oh, it's cool.

6:42

You'd be like, oh man, like this

6:46

is, we have everything to lose in this game

6:48

and they have everything to gain. And

6:50

how do you, it's good. It's a good exercise to

6:52

go through of like, okay, you have the quality.

6:54

You have the better team. You know that you do,

6:56

but you still have to go out there and

6:58

perform against a team that's going to be running their

7:00

asses off. And that doesn't always

7:02

make it easy. And that leads. to a lot

7:04

of trap situations or trap games, where all

7:06

of a sudden they get one goal, they get

7:08

a crazy amount of belief. And now you

7:11

all of a sudden you can't connect passes anymore.

7:13

It's the, it's the quick craziest phenomenon when you

7:15

play in these types of competitions. Yeah. And,

7:17

and you get, you get in that moment where,

7:19

yeah, how many times can he get up for

7:21

games, right? And you look at a schedule like,

7:23

I got a lower division team. And just inherently

7:25

you, you. There's something in players. Sometimes you take

7:27

your foot off the pedal, right? And you, you

7:29

think, ah, but this is a night we'll get

7:31

by, we'll figure out if I don't do it,

7:33

Jimmy will do it. If Jimmy doesn't do it,

7:35

Charlie will get it done. You know, and then

7:38

before you know it, you're down one nil and

7:40

it's 80 minutes and you're making substitutes and you're

7:42

trying to figure out what the hell just happened

7:44

for 80 minutes and how you're going to

7:46

get through on these teams. But that's the

7:48

beauty of the cup competition. And I I'm

7:51

preached to the choir with the three of us,

7:53

and I'm guessing our listeners and viewers feel the

7:55

same way. It's like, this is what you want

7:57

to see. And I think what we

8:00

realize through whether it's this cup

8:02

or whether you watch the

8:04

FA Cup or you watch Champions

8:06

League or watch World Cup, there's

8:08

great players everywhere, man. They're

8:11

just good players everywhere. And if you

8:13

could put a good crop of players

8:15

together, you know, take El

8:17

Feralito. They're a great example

8:19

up your way, Jimmy, right? They

8:21

are a team that they know who they

8:23

are. It's a bunch of guys. I

8:25

think they have nine guys in this roster

8:27

that have played in the Colombian first

8:29

and second division. It's all done through the

8:31

restaurant business up there that started a

8:33

while back. And before you know it, you

8:35

put a nice enough team together with

8:37

skilled enough players. You organize them and you

8:39

have a chance to compete. Okay. They

8:42

get knocked out last night, but that's

8:44

that's what the story is. You know,

8:46

they they've now gone through five consecutive

8:48

years. Two of those qualifying is the

8:50

MPSL champions where they prove that they

8:52

can play the game. They're maybe not

8:54

as deep as everybody else, but give

8:56

them a chance and they'll hang in

8:58

there for sure. So so, Chuck,

9:01

is there a game that you played in the open

9:03

cup? Because me and Tones are champions of this

9:05

competition. So we don't we don't remember this feeling. But

9:09

is there a game where you're like. Man,

9:12

we just under -formed. I'll

9:14

give it from this angle

9:16

because it is a real psychological

9:18

battle because I'd say it's

9:20

more about the mental aspect

9:23

of overcoming some of these

9:25

challenges. And let's be fair,

9:28

we're entitled players sometimes. and and

9:30

you've you've grinded in high school

9:32

you've grinded in club you grinded

9:34

in college in a lot of

9:36

cases right especially back in our

9:38

generation you get to the promised

9:40

land you're playing on nice pitches

9:42

pristine pitches you got nice stadiums

9:44

big crowds and all of a

9:46

sudden you're playing in a

9:48

small stadium it's you know

9:51

hunky dory you got patches of

9:53

grass here patches of grass there

9:55

sometimes it's terrible turf and For

9:57

the most part in the early games, maybe

9:59

it's the guys who are on the bench for

10:01

whatever reason, guys who are maybe we're coming

10:04

back from injury. It is tough. It

10:06

reminds me of those, you know, Sunday, early Sunday

10:08

games that they used to have for reserve

10:10

league in MLS. It's tough to get up for

10:12

them sometimes. And so you're

10:14

playing against a team that treats this

10:16

like it's a World Cup. Cause for some

10:18

guys, it's like, this is my shot. Whether

10:20

it works out, maybe this is the only time

10:23

I get to play against an MLS team.

10:25

Maybe this is the only time I get an

10:27

opportunity to be scouted. And if I perform

10:29

well, maybe there's a chance for me down the

10:31

road. This is, this is

10:33

my swan song in a lot of

10:35

cases. So you're playing against that type

10:37

of energy, that type of commitment. Sometimes

10:39

the challenges are reckless. You're

10:41

thinking about injuries. I

10:43

don't want to get injured in this game. Certainly

10:45

not a muscle pull or anything like that,

10:47

a strain, but a tackle that would. mess

10:49

up my ankle, mess up my knee, you know, put

10:51

me out for the season. So those are some of

10:53

the thoughts that are running through your mind. I remember

10:56

going to Rochester. I remember going to,

10:58

you know, play at Brown University, whereas

11:00

the Rebs would play at Brown or Harvard.

11:02

We'd play at colleges. We didn't play

11:04

at the stadium. But traveling

11:06

to, you know, Westchester

11:08

or Rochester or

11:10

to Richmond, it's not

11:13

a glamorous place,

11:15

but If you had a

11:17

coach in there to say, hey, this trophy matters.

11:20

The other team is coming to kick your

11:22

butt to get an opportunity. You

11:24

need to perform this. This is a competition we need to

11:26

win. And I need to make an example by that by

11:28

playing our best players. I think

11:30

that's kind of how you change

11:32

the narrative around this competition. Yeah,

11:35

you actually reminded me

11:37

of one of my most famous

11:39

stories from the Open Cup. Back in

11:41

2000, playing for the Quakes in the US Open Cup,

11:43

we played against the Richmond Kickers. And on

11:45

this Richmond kickers team was this guy

11:47

named Dwayne de Rosario. And we

11:50

won this game to zero, but

11:52

we all walked away going from that

11:54

game going, dude, that guy can play.

11:56

And also the guy, remember the coaching staff going,

11:58

let's not tell anybody else about this guy. We got to

12:00

get him on the team somehow. We ended up

12:02

signing Dwayne de Rosario ahead of the 2001 season.

12:05

He ends up scoring the winning goal at

12:07

MLS cup against the galaxy that year. And I

12:09

didn't know that. Yeah. He went on to

12:11

have an incredible career, but we saw him in

12:13

the open cup. We saw, and honestly,

12:15

we were all away. That's how it came to

12:17

be. That's how it came be. The open cup.

12:19

Dude, he was That's how you

12:21

discover D -Row. That's right. Which

12:23

mechanism was that, Jimmy, that you

12:25

guys purchased him through? Which

12:28

MLS mechanism was it? this business.

12:30

This was pre -tam and pre -green eggs

12:32

and ham and gam and whatever else

12:34

is out there. But, uh, I,

12:37

maybe there was this discovery. I don't, I

12:39

don't remember all the mechanisms that were in

12:41

place, uh, even though some still exist that

12:43

are a bit archaic at this point. But

12:45

yeah, that's, that's one of my most

12:47

famous, uh, open cup stories, being a part

12:49

of it and having gone up against

12:51

them. Like God damn. It's much, it's much,

12:53

much harder nowadays given the structure of

12:56

the system and you got USL. MLS, you

12:58

got the academies and, you know, pre

13:00

MLS, MLS next pro. So I think

13:02

it's much harder to find those gems. Sure.

13:04

They're still out there. I mean, this

13:06

is a massive country, a lot of different

13:08

players, people fall through the cracks for

13:11

whatever reason. That's still a possibility, but I,

13:13

I like to see the more younger

13:15

players, you know, 17,

13:17

18, 19 playing in

13:19

this competition for the, the

13:21

USL teams. Those are the

13:23

guys who really have a chance at

13:25

a bright future and a long, successful future

13:27

if they play extremely well. So,

13:30

yeah, you have that end of the

13:32

spectrum, but you also have the 30 -year -olds

13:34

who are playing in USL who are

13:36

like, hey, I'm doing this because

13:38

I love it. I live for the

13:40

game. And I can't imagine not playing

13:42

professionally. And this is my chance. OK,

13:45

so on that note, I got one more

13:47

story. Then we'll get into the matchups. But I

13:49

remember talking to a USL championship manager. And,

13:52

and I was helping out

13:54

the usle league two team here in the area, the

13:56

San Francisco, Glenn's up the Glenn's. And, and we

13:58

had a player that I thought could play in the

14:00

championship. And, and so

14:02

I call this, this coach and I say,

14:04

Hey, you know, what's your scouting like?

14:06

I got, are you guys looking, you know, at usle

14:08

league two, like how do you do it? They're like, no,

14:10

we don't, we don't have the budget for that. We

14:13

don't have, you know, the

14:15

network to, to go out there and find these

14:17

gems that you're talking about, Charlie, right? So,

14:19

so. what they do with the usl championship level,

14:21

according to, to this manager, at least from

14:23

their perspective, because they don't have the budget to,

14:25

to fund this is they just wait for

14:27

the guys that fall through the cracks of MLS

14:29

and they try to sign those guys and

14:31

they try to find the ones that fit

14:33

their player profile and I'm going, I'm going,

14:35

I'm going to outside the box. I'm not

14:37

going for any MLS guys falling down. I'm

14:39

going to find, I hear you 17, 18,

14:41

19 year olds, 20 year olds who are

14:43

out there who who have this foundation

14:45

that you can see it. The core potential

14:48

is there and they just need the

14:50

right guidance. And maybe, you know, maybe it's

14:52

six months of work. Those are

14:54

the diamonds I want to

14:56

find. That's why the

14:58

open cups important tone. Sorry to jump

15:00

in. This is an opportunity for

15:02

these young lower divisions to take a swing

15:04

and say, Hey, I can hold my own

15:06

against the best teams in this country. Right,

15:09

this is the way to see all these players,

15:11

right? Is to scour the games that now you're

15:13

going to watch on our network, right? And we'll

15:15

try and give it as much love as we

15:17

can here. And we have been over the last

15:19

two nights, and we'll continue to do that all

15:22

the way through the finals. But

15:24

that's the problem, I think, right? Charlie is these

15:26

guys, they don't have the

15:28

money to go flying around to

15:30

go see players. Like, Jimmy, just

15:32

think about Dero. If

15:34

he got drawn against somebody else other

15:36

than San Jose, he may have

15:38

been in another group like you

15:40

kind of got lucky right that you

15:42

guys saw him and um had you

15:45

not played against him he'd have been

15:47

someone else but it's not like even

15:49

in mls at that point i don't

15:51

remember what year that was but um

15:53

it's not like they had budgets to go flying

15:55

across the country to go see some of

15:57

these games like you were just hoping to

15:59

to catch somebody you know but in an ideal

16:01

world we do what charlie's saying and we're going

16:03

to go scour right you're going to go look

16:05

at every you're going to unturn every stone Man,

16:08

but I think some of these

16:10

teams, like El Farolito, can

16:12

you imagine what they've won MPSL now

16:14

two years in a row? I don't know

16:16

if there's prize money attached to that,

16:18

but they're the longest standing amateur

16:20

team in the competition

16:22

twice. So last year, the prize

16:24

was $25 ,000 for that. This

16:26

year, the prize is $50 ,000 for that.

16:28

If you think of that in terms of

16:31

even MLS, forget world football, that's

16:33

nothing. That guys make that

16:35

like when they go to training for a

16:37

week, right? They're making 50 ,000 a week around

16:39

the world. But for their club, think

16:42

about how massive that is for

16:44

them. It helps them fly to

16:46

the next game, right? Or go to the

16:48

game after that, right? That's where they're at.

16:51

So this is a really long preface for us

16:53

this whole show to say, we love the open

16:55

cup. And these are all the storylines that matter

16:57

and why this is important. And it's a competition

16:59

again for every single team in this country. You

17:01

can be qualified to get into it and you

17:03

have a crack at winning a trophy, which I

17:05

think is awesome. All right, let's get into the

17:08

groups now, the matchups. What

17:10

I thought was fun was that the US

17:12

open cup organized each

17:14

group by a national team players.

17:17

who have the most caps along with who's

17:19

won open cups. So that means Charlie Davis is

17:21

definitely out. He's

17:23

out. All right. We'll go to the Kobe Jones.

17:25

You know what? I've been attacked in this in

17:28

this chat right now. I'm being attacked

17:30

by you. I don't know if

17:32

I have the capability to finish this show. There's

17:37

a picture for everybody watching on, on

17:39

the YouTubes. There's me and big tones

17:41

and Jose Luis Bersiaga, Jr. After

17:44

our wizard, the wiz,

17:46

the wizards, baby. That

17:48

was great. That was so much fun.

17:50

All right. Kobe Jones group,

17:53

Rhode Island FC. We're

17:55

going to have Michael Parker's come on later

17:57

on in the show. He's got some involvement

17:59

in Rhode Island FC. They're going to be taking on the

18:01

New England revolution. They're actually going to be hosting the New England

18:03

revolution. I love this.

18:05

Yeah, I love that

18:07

too. Absolutely epic. I could,

18:09

I could maybe see a cup set here.

18:11

I could see Rhode Island, potentially. Smith

18:14

former res player. Michael

18:16

Parker's former revs player as

18:19

the owner part owner. I mean,

18:21

it's written in the stars. It

18:24

is. It is actually have their journey. Are

18:26

they in that new stadium yet? Or

18:28

have they opened up that new stadium there

18:31

yet in Rhode Island? They're building a

18:33

mecca of a stadium. And I'm not quite

18:35

sure if they're in it yet. Of

18:37

course, they had a great year last year

18:39

getting to the finals, surprisingly, I think,

18:41

in the USL. But that'll be a fun

18:43

one. Yeah, it should be a good

18:45

one. The other, the winner of that game

18:48

will play the winner of Chicago Fire

18:50

in Detroit City. That's another. fantastic

18:52

matchup. And, and

18:54

Chicago fires historically been a team

18:56

that's always tried to win the open cup.

18:59

They're always going for it. We've talked to Jesse

19:01

about it. We talked to Chris Armist about it. We

19:03

talked to, and I don't think that's going to slow

19:05

down the Greg Burr halter. Fun fact though, me

19:08

and big tones beat the Chicago fire. again.

19:10

And did I tell everybody we're champion? We've won

19:12

that before. I don't know if anybody knew

19:14

that or not. We got to, we got to

19:16

get Greg on here to settle that. We

19:18

should, we should, we should as a reminder, these

19:20

games are kicking off on May 6th and

19:22

May 7th. So I didn't say that earlier, but

19:24

I'm seeing it now. Landon Donovan group got

19:26

Pittsburgh Riverhounds taking on and hosting NYC FC. So

19:30

that will be a tough place to

19:32

play Pittsburgh. It is. It is another

19:34

train in that, in that stadium running

19:36

by that stadium, right? Yeah. A

19:38

lot of, a lot of trains involved. We

19:40

got Philadelphia union hosting India

19:42

11. So I'm looking forward

19:44

to talking to India 11 coach, Sean

19:46

McCauley, who'll be joining us in the next

19:48

segment. They got to the semifinals last

19:50

year, India 11. They went to Atlanta

19:53

and beat Atlanta in,

19:55

in the quarterfinals. So they've got some experience with this

19:57

group. We'll see how it goes. Okay. Let's go

19:59

to the Clint Dempsey group, North Carolina, hosting Charlotte

20:01

FC. That's going to be a tasty affair

20:03

as well. I got plenty of time

20:05

for that one DC United. Hosting

20:07

Charleston battery now when you see these groups if you're

20:09

if you're just listening and you're not seeing the

20:12

graphics that are attached to it on YouTube The winner

20:14

of these matchups will play against

20:16

each other. So so I actually I don't

20:18

know who's gonna win out of these four

20:20

teams, right? But the next round is gonna

20:22

be sick, too You can have Charlotte DC,

20:24

which obviously has its own implications from an

20:26

MLS perspective But you could get another

20:28

USL team taking another one in the area. I like

20:30

the regional matchups That's all I just wanted to say that.

20:32

All right, Jeff a goose group Tampa

20:35

Bay. I'm wearing the jersey right now. Shout out

20:37

to the rowdies, 50th anniversary. And

20:39

they're going to be hosting Orlando city. Orlando

20:42

city is pretty good. They, they can score

20:44

goals in bunches. So Tampa Bay is going to

20:46

have their work cut out for them because

20:48

they struggled to get past FC Naples,

20:50

but they did yesterday. And

20:52

then Nashville will be hosting

20:54

Chattanooga, the red wolves,

20:56

baby, trying to continue to take

20:58

some scalps in this competition. Alright,

21:01

let's move over to Demarcus Beasley and check out

21:03

what your thoughts on this one. Louisville City

21:05

versus Minnesota and St. Louis City versus

21:07

Union Omaha, who honestly, one

21:10

of my favorite, one of

21:12

my favorite logos, Union

21:14

Omaha. I love, I love, uh,

21:16

their, their, the crest as it

21:18

were. Yeah. Louisville city. I

21:21

could, I smell upset alert there. I

21:23

smell over Minnesota United. Yeah.

21:26

They're, they're good at home. So,

21:28

so here's any cruise on the sidelines, you

21:30

know, there's a former MLS player. He's

21:33

been, I think he's been linked to a

21:35

number of MLS jobs. I know he's interviewed

21:37

at a few and man, this is a

21:39

great opportunity for him and the club. Yeah.

21:42

I think what's interesting is

21:44

when I look at Minnesota, United for

21:46

instance, or St. Louis city against you, like

21:48

you'll know right away how serious they're taking this

21:51

competition based on their starting 11, which is

21:53

something you said before it tones. If they're

21:55

rolling out a mixed squad. then,

21:57

then maybe they're hoping they get to the next

21:59

round or that's enough to make it happen. But

22:01

the teams that are going to be rolling

22:03

out there guys. Yeah. They're definitely going after

22:05

it. All right. Next group, Carlos Bokenegger group,

22:07

Phoenix rising versus the Houston Dynamo. We saw

22:09

Ben Olsen a little bit earlier on morning

22:11

footy and they want it two

22:13

seasons ago. So we'll see how serious

22:15

they're going to be taking. I have to

22:17

travel to Phoenix. That's not going to be easy.

22:19

Austin FC hosting El Paso locomotive. I

22:22

like that group a lot as well. I'm

22:24

going to throw big tones to the Paul

22:26

Caligiri group. Colorado switchbacks hosting the Red Bulls. This

22:28

group's all over the place. This is like

22:30

a full, full country here. Colorado switchbacks.

22:32

So the Red Bulls have to

22:34

travel to the middle of the

22:36

country. FC Dallas hosting Lancaster's own

22:38

AV Alta. Talk to me about

22:41

this group. Yeah, interesting,

22:43

right? The Red Bulls, you talk about

22:45

workload all the time. It's a midweek

22:47

trip going out there. It's not going

22:49

to be easy. You talk about in

22:51

that group as well, FC

22:53

Dallas, you know, hosting, Alta's got to

22:55

travel at least halfway across the

22:57

country, right? That's not an easy flight

22:59

to get down to Dallas. So

23:01

the Calijuri group is a pretty interesting

23:03

one. Even the one before, you

23:06

got a, you got a, the Bokenegger group,

23:08

you got a Texas Darby in there. You got

23:10

Phoenix Rising who? It typically is

23:12

one of the best teams in, okay,

23:14

I looked up earlier

23:17

where they're at. They're

23:19

in 11th right now in the

23:21

conference, but typically a team that you

23:23

always expect to be battling. I'm

23:26

gonna host, as you mentioned, Ben

23:28

Olson defending, I guess they're not defending

23:30

champ, but champ in recent past. So

23:32

these are some fun groups. And with regards

23:34

to the lineups, and I know you got another

23:36

group to get to here. You

23:39

will find out and you'll find out how

23:41

how important it is now compared to

23:43

the past because Jimmy at the end of

23:45

this Not only is there prize money,

23:48

but there's a competition attached to it And

23:50

I think that's just one of the

23:52

smartest things we've done we although LAFC can't

23:54

defend their championship This year, but there's

23:56

something at the end of it for guys

23:58

to what's like when we want it I

24:00

know Charlie if you knew

24:03

that we wanted Jimmy and

24:05

I We were winning it

24:07

Jimmy because we wanted to

24:09

win something and our owner's

24:11

name was on the trophy,

24:13

right? Like we there wasn't

24:15

did we get prize money?

24:18

I don't I uh, I

24:20

don't remember. I don't think it was anything a consequence.

24:22

Otherwise I would have remembered for sure. I'm sure we

24:24

would do dinner together. Like we

24:26

had a good dinner after that.

24:28

In 2011, I just looked at

24:30

Cisco. I'm like, I know I played us

24:32

open cup. We, there was like a qualification

24:34

from MLS teams to get into the US

24:36

open cup. And we played, um,

24:40

we played the revs. We beat Philadelphia. And

24:42

then we had to play the revs and we lost

24:44

the revs and then they had to go on to

24:46

the next round. And then they ended up losing the

24:49

sporting Kansas city, but there was only eight teams from

24:51

MLS that played in that us open cup

24:53

in 2011. So I don't know why

24:55

not everyone went in at the same time.

24:57

Right. Yeah. I don't know either. What the

24:59

figure that out, but making up rules as

25:01

they go. Part of MLS is charm, baby.

25:03

All right. So Casey Kelly, the last one

25:05

to coma defiance to beat the Oakland roots

25:07

to get into this position. We'll be hosting

25:09

the Portland timbers. That is going

25:11

to be crazy. Tacoma Defiance for those that

25:13

don't know is the Seattle Sounders second team. So,

25:16

so Seattle Sounders two also known as

25:18

the Tacoma Defiance taking on port one

25:20

timbers first. Imagine, imagine if Seattle Sounders

25:22

second to a team beat. the timbers

25:24

first team that will be crazy. And

25:26

then San Jose earthquakes and Bruce Serena will

25:28

be hosting the sack Republic. Our friend Todd

25:31

Dunn of it who's been on the show. Oh, that's

25:33

Bruce Reno versus former player. You know what I mean?

25:35

I know that's going to be a lot of fun.

25:37

That's to a great group. I'm going to try to

25:39

get to that San Jose sack Republic game. That should

25:41

be a lot of excuse for you to miss that.

25:43

That's true. I'm not too far away. got to make

25:45

it. I have to make that happen. Again, those games

25:47

are happening May 6th and May 7th. Lots of great

25:49

matchups. Of course, we're going to take our first break

25:51

and call what you want. When we come back into

25:53

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25:55

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27:01

welcome back in to call what

27:04

you want I'm Jimmy red

27:06

dot Conrad I got Charlie Chuck

27:08

wagon also known as bingo

27:10

Davies and big tones Tony Miola is

27:12

here with us I was gonna have a cheeky name

27:14

for you about not being able to update your computer

27:16

But it was gonna be too long and I said

27:18

it anyway All right, we're

27:20

talking open cup. And that means we

27:22

got to get somebody on who

27:24

has had some success in this competition.

27:26

He led India 11 to the semifinals

27:28

before losing to Sporting Kansas City in

27:30

last year's edition. His team is

27:33

still alive after a late goal

27:35

by Hayden White. He scored in

27:37

the 123. Nice, nice header. Very

27:40

nice. Bill Hamid, too. We were talking

27:42

about Bill Hamid being back on the

27:44

pitch. And man, what a

27:46

header just blew right by. Bill

27:48

needs a left arm, I believe.

27:51

I also want to give a shout out to

27:53

the goalkeeper, Reese Charles Cook, who first game

27:55

for the club, and he made some important saves.

27:57

So doing it on both sides of the

27:59

ball, hopefully they can maintain that moment. Let's bring

28:01

him on the show. Sean McCulloch from the Indie

28:03

11 is joining us. Sean,

28:05

how are you? Great to see you. I'm

28:07

very good. Thanks, guys. Good to

28:09

see you all. OK, so talk to

28:11

us about last night and as

28:14

someone that's actually been through this open

28:16

cup adventure before. You have

28:18

to have nights like last night, right? You have

28:20

to survive a little bit so you can thrive

28:22

in the future. Yeah, I

28:24

mean, you know, it's cup competition. You've got

28:26

to go all the way to the

28:28

very end and you've got to win the

28:30

ones at the start to get, you

28:32

know, the better games towards the end of

28:34

the competition. And we had a good

28:36

run last year, managed to get to the

28:38

semifinal play KC, which was a great

28:40

experience for our players. But I'll tell

28:42

you how tough this game, the one that we

28:44

could have gotten out from was the first round

28:46

against the Chicago Fire Second team. They give us,

28:49

you know, we did well in the first half

28:51

in that game, then they give us the absolute

28:53

run around in the second half, and

28:55

we ended up scraping a 1 -0 win. But

28:58

you don't really remember that. It's on to

29:00

the next round and see if you can get

29:02

a little further. Hey

29:04

Sean, congratulations. We hear all these teams

29:06

around around the world right everyone talks

29:08

about Loading right and how much how

29:10

much stress we can put on players

29:12

and playing midweek all the time you

29:14

guys have the league you also have

29:16

the Cup the the USL Cup that

29:18

you've got to deal with I think

29:20

all before you play the next round

29:22

of this talk about it for we

29:24

never talk about Lower Division teams that

29:26

aren't nearly as deep as Manchester City

29:28

or even an MLS team, you know

29:31

and how you deal with all this

29:33

because It's still player

29:35

safety for you, right, in the end. And

29:37

how do you manage all of this? You

29:40

know, it's tough, especially, you know, as

29:42

you come down. We've all got the, you

29:44

know, now the strategies of recovery and

29:46

things like that. But, you know, when you

29:48

come down the levels, we've also got travel

29:50

implications towards us as well. You know, we're

29:53

not on these charter flights and, you

29:55

know, everything else. But the players give

29:57

their absolute maximum in every game. And,

29:59

you know, even if we're a little

30:01

beat up, credit to our guys they

30:04

just go again and go again now

30:06

we do have to modify some of

30:08

the training we have to modify you

30:10

know rotating the squad and getting new

30:12

fresh players in but I always go

30:14

back to it when I was the

30:16

academy manager at Sheffield Wednesday you know

30:18

we started talking about this because scientists

30:21

came into the game and you know

30:23

they're wanting to have you know their

30:25

viewpoint heard and quite rightly you know

30:27

you've got to listen to the experts

30:29

in that field but I always remember

30:31

Cristiano Ronaldo, Paul Scholes, Lionel

30:33

Messi, they were playing 50, 60

30:35

games a season. So, you know, you've

30:38

got to put it into perspective. We give

30:40

our everything and maximum in

30:42

every game. But, you know, it's

30:44

it's one of them where if you're fit and

30:46

able to play, you're probably going to go on

30:48

the field in the lower divisions. Gaffer,

30:51

I just listened to an

30:53

interview that you you put

30:55

out about controlling your opponents,

30:57

right? And Making them not

30:59

so much saying, hey, we play our game.

31:01

We're good. You want to control the game.

31:03

When you're playing against some of these teams

31:06

like a Philadelphia Union, for instance, how

31:08

do you approach that? Because, you know,

31:10

it's a balance of, OK, let's absorb some

31:12

pressure. Let's play on the counter. Let's

31:14

be exceptional on set pieces. But

31:16

how do you get the most out

31:18

of your players against maybe a superior

31:20

opponent like a Philadelphia Union? You

31:22

know, we can't be when I spoke about

31:24

controlling the opponents, I just. got the impression

31:26

with our group you know it's you know

31:29

we're still relatively new together we brought a

31:31

lot of people back but you know everybody's

31:33

looking to see what the coach wants and

31:35

things like that and I said to the

31:37

players I think there's a little disease in

31:39

the game where we just concentrate on what

31:41

we're going to do and we forget about

31:43

what the opponent is you know everybody's you

31:45

know tactically aware now because of you know

31:48

you know all the information that everybody has

31:50

and you know whether you should plow from

31:52

the back whether you should play through midfield

31:54

you spread the lines out if they pushed

31:56

out and you've got to do this you've

31:58

got to do that the bottom line is

32:00

it's a game where you're facing somebody and

32:02

you've got to make them play bad now

32:05

for us that might mean going and really

32:07

putting a lot of pressure on the opponent

32:09

to where they struggle to find space and

32:11

we're making them a lot of pressure to

32:13

make them play poorly on the other side

32:15

of it you know like you just said

32:17

there we're coming up against Billy we might

32:19

have to sit off certain players and allow

32:21

them more time on the ball in different

32:24

areas of the field. And

32:26

that also would hopefully put a little bit

32:28

of pressure on them and make them

32:30

play poorly. And I think once we've

32:32

figured that out, then we can start concentrating on what

32:34

we're going to do, like you said earlier, like set

32:36

plays going to be big for us. And,

32:39

you know, it's a situation where we

32:41

want to really control the opponent by

32:43

making them play poorly first and then,

32:45

you know, putting our game on top

32:47

of them. Well, Sean, for those

32:50

that don't know, you were an assistant in

32:52

MLS for both Orlando City and Minnesota United

32:54

and had a chance to be the interim

32:56

coach after Adrian Heath left Minnesota last season,

32:58

or excuse me, a season a half ago

33:00

before you took over in D11. What

33:02

did you learn about the American game

33:04

during that time? And maybe what are

33:06

the differences that you've seen between MLS

33:08

and USL? And if that gap is

33:10

closing, like we all think it is.

33:13

Yeah. It's interesting, because...

33:15

I came across here and

33:17

played for a season with Portland

33:19

Timbers in 2002. Then

33:22

I went back to the

33:24

UK and got into coaching. I

33:26

was a player coach, then

33:28

I went into coaching the pros

33:30

in 2003, really. At

33:33

2002, I thought the gap was pretty

33:35

close between MLS and the USL. I

33:38

thought it was pretty close. And

33:40

maybe that was due to finances.

33:43

A lot of the players were getting paid well in the USL

33:45

at that time. And then

33:47

in 2012, I came back across to coach

33:49

with the Timbers and I was there

33:52

for six, six and a half years. And

33:54

I felt the gap was a lot

33:56

wider than what it was when I

33:58

was playing. Now,

34:01

sort of having the last 12 years, 11

34:03

years in the MLS and coming here, I'm

34:05

seeing a lot of quality in the USL. And I will

34:07

say this, I think this quality in the USL won as

34:09

well. And I think that's

34:11

probably down to the fact that MLS

34:13

Next Pro is producing players. and

34:16

everybody's sort of now getting a

34:18

better program at a younger age

34:20

group or the more opportunities at

34:22

younger age groups. So we're creating

34:24

more players and these players are

34:26

finding the way into the USL.

34:29

You look at the draft and the

34:31

combine know is a little bit modified

34:33

now, but if you look at the

34:35

players that are coming out of the

34:37

draft, a lot of them are international,

34:39

so the ones that don't get taken

34:41

because the international roster spots in the

34:43

MLS are dropping into the USL and

34:45

they're good players. And I feel as

34:47

though the standard is improving, I

34:49

would say on an honest opinion, it's

34:52

difficult for the USL to catch the

34:54

MLS because the MLS is not getting

34:56

worse. Right. What

34:58

about the American player? Yeah,

35:01

I've always had a lot of respect for

35:03

the American player. And now what I

35:05

see is a lot of them getting more

35:07

opportunities than what they've had in the

35:09

past. I mean, you know, because you went

35:11

across to Europe and you got your opportunity. The

35:14

European players have always been treated with

35:16

a lot more respect than what probably the

35:18

American player has. And I don't know

35:20

why. And I think now that there's been

35:22

a lot of people that have traveled

35:24

across from a younger age group and everybody's

35:26

going, well, you know, there's players there.

35:28

I think there's always been players here. It's

35:30

just now they're probably getting more opportunity.

35:32

And that's credit to all the work that's

35:34

done from all the coaches, all the

35:36

clubs, everybody, you know, across the

35:38

board. But that's not new work. That's been

35:40

done all along. It's just more opportunities now

35:42

getting towards these young players. John,

35:45

talk about the challenges of building

35:47

this roster, right? You've got guys that

35:49

you and I remember covering, Elliot Collier

35:51

in Chicago for a couple of years. You

35:54

got all the way down to Aiden Stanley, who

35:56

was a youth national team standout at so many

35:58

different levels, has played in the league, or Linnley,

36:00

who was so important for you last night. I

36:02

mean, in this league, you got to kind of

36:05

find them from everywhere. And

36:07

hopefully, well, for you

36:09

guys, you've been able to really draw some

36:11

really good players into that club. Yeah.

36:14

We've been fortunate to get the players that we've

36:16

got. And I do feel

36:19

for some of the players, like you've mentioned there

36:21

for Elliott, for Aidan, Stanley, Kam especially,

36:23

them three have been in the MLS.

36:26

And if it wasn't for situations regarding

36:28

a salary cap or a roster

36:30

spot, they probably could still be in

36:32

the MLS. They might not get

36:34

as much playing time as the others,

36:36

but they're good enough to be

36:38

part of a squad in the MLS

36:40

and a number of other players

36:42

that we've got. Securing

36:45

Reese was a big thing for

36:47

us because, you know, you get...

36:49

And again, I go back to

36:51

you've got to fishing every single

36:53

pond regarding recruitment. We

36:55

took Reese and he'd not been playing, you

36:57

know, but I've got quite a few

36:59

contacts back in the UK. I knew what

37:01

his character was like and going from

37:03

like non -non -league where it's lower, lower division

37:05

football, or I knew he'd played international

37:07

football. I knew what his character was and

37:09

I knew he would come in and

37:11

be a really good addition to us. And

37:13

people like that are worth the weight

37:15

and gold to you because they're really, really

37:17

desperate for the opportunity and they're happy

37:19

to play a part in the squad. So

37:22

that was a good one for us. And then the

37:24

guy who scored the goal last night, and

37:26

it must mean our names on the cup,

37:29

by the way, because I had him since he

37:31

was 16 at Sheffield Wednesday, and I never

37:33

saw that in him. So I don't know why

37:35

that came from, but I've not taught him. Obviously,

37:39

straight from the training ground, we decided the

37:41

other 13 corners weren't going to do anything.

37:43

It was the 14th one that we were

37:45

going to put the ball in. Fantastic.

37:51

I've known him since he was a kid, really. He

37:54

moved home from London to come and live in

37:56

Sheffield. I didn't

37:58

spend much time there because then I

38:00

got a move to Portland in 2012. to

38:03

see him grow and mature and I kept

38:05

an eye on him, kept in touch with

38:07

him and now he's here with his family.

38:10

I feel as though that's a really big

38:12

part of it as well that we can

38:14

offer good opportunities for all players at all

38:16

levels. I got two questions

38:18

for you. The first one,

38:21

I don't know if you're aware of this MLS

38:23

next. We talked about youth players

38:25

and I know you've seen a fair

38:27

share of youth both in England and

38:29

here. This quality of

38:31

play ranking, that they're doing for

38:33

the U -13 and 14 level. Where

38:36

do you sit on that

38:38

idea? Is this progress? We

38:41

need to keep the comparative spirit

38:43

because I've had a few MLS

38:45

coaches text me and say, This

38:48

is killing the game. Give us

38:50

names. What's going

38:52

on here? Charlie, save

38:54

us. Don't let them ruin

38:56

the game. So where

38:58

do you see the benefits or are

39:00

there any benefits? And do you

39:02

agree with it? And I'll ask my

39:04

question. The next question after this. You

39:07

know what it's, Charlie? My

39:10

biggest thing when I was in youth development was

39:12

you can't put time on development. And

39:15

by saying it, you're only doing this at

39:17

a certain age group. then who's to say

39:19

that the under 13 who's underdeveloped can't do

39:21

the style of play that you want to

39:23

do. And then you roll him

39:25

out because he doesn't meet the needs

39:27

of some computer that is generating a score

39:29

based on how you play at that

39:31

age group. So you can't really put a

39:33

time in development. So I don't really

39:35

know why it's done just there. And then

39:38

in terms of whether it's right, you'd

39:40

have to see it working. My

39:43

opinion is, is it just

39:45

another company,

39:48

a data company that we're

39:50

partnering with to get information

39:52

when if we're employing the

39:54

right people with the right

39:56

qualifications and the right age

39:58

group specialist is there I

40:01

not better to be able

40:03

to push them through to

40:05

the next level and create

40:07

a player of value. And

40:10

that's my big thing in youth development.

40:12

You've got to create a player of value

40:14

and that's the value to the club.

40:16

You know, you can get them in your

40:18

first team, which then can be on

40:20

maybe a salary that's relevant to that position.

40:23

And then they also player of value

40:26

because they stop you from signing somebody

40:28

else for money. And then if they're

40:30

a player of value because you might

40:32

sell them. And regarding the development under

40:34

13s and 14s and having a style

40:36

of play. I was a

40:38

big believer when I was at Sheffield

40:40

Wednesday that you have to teach every single

40:42

style of player for a youth player

40:44

because you don't know where the game is

40:46

going in ten years time. A hundred

40:49

percent. Yeah, who would have thought that, you

40:51

know, people now are

40:53

talking, you know, that

40:56

the gold picks are

40:58

not as acting up

41:00

as not. Everybody

41:02

wanted to play a short goal kick.

41:04

Now people are looking at and going, why

41:06

we're playing short goal kicks? And it'll

41:08

change and everything will change. So you have

41:11

to develop a young player with every

41:13

single style of play to meet the needs

41:15

of professional football because the likelihood is

41:17

the player in your club might play for

41:19

somebody else. And depending on a score,

41:21

you might have to change the style of

41:23

play, right? Forget the opponent. We're down.

41:25

Hey, direct, right? Forget, forget these

41:27

tiki -taka in our own 18 -yard

41:30

box. My next question is something we

41:32

talked about earlier in the show

41:34

was a club like India 11, the

41:37

country's massive. There

41:39

are a lot of unearthed gems in this

41:41

country in terms of players, quality of

41:43

players that slip through the cracks. What's

41:45

your scouting system like? How

41:47

do you try and identify those

41:49

players? Do you have the

41:51

capability to find players maybe that

41:53

are loss across this country? I

41:56

think it's difficult for us because

41:58

we can only really spread our

42:00

net through our academy, which is

42:03

lacking an affiliate academy. We're really

42:05

pleased with what we've got. We've

42:07

got good people in place in

42:09

that area of the development of

42:11

the club really. And

42:14

we have to rely on what we

42:16

produce in our own state. We've got

42:18

quite a good coverage of the state.

42:21

In terms of Opening

42:23

the borders, I think

42:26

that would be a good thing

42:28

for the top top clubs because

42:30

as long as there is appropriate

42:32

investment to make these 12, 13,

42:34

14 year old kids travel across

42:36

without the parents to live in

42:38

residential. I can see that coming

42:40

in like it's done in Europe. Opening

42:43

the borders would be something that

42:45

I would be comfortable with because I

42:47

think it would improve youth development

42:49

because you're going to have to invest

42:51

more money in. making sure that

42:54

there is no area that's untapped. And

42:56

for us, it's really important

42:58

that we develop our own, and it's a

43:00

going back a little bit to your

43:02

previous question, to the way we want them

43:04

to play for Indie 11, because we

43:06

can't probably go and get the best talent

43:08

from a different state and move them

43:10

here. And it's important

43:12

that when we do make a

43:14

decision on a 14, 15,

43:17

16 -year -old player, we get

43:19

them into their first team environment, we teach

43:21

them the basic principles of being a

43:23

professional footballer. And, you know, hopefully that goes

43:25

on board and we'll just keep an

43:27

eye on what we've got locally. Did have

43:29

to have enough green dots though. You

43:31

know, that's true. Lots of green dots. We

43:33

need a lot of green dots. Quality

43:35

plays very important. Uh, Sean,

43:38

last question before we let you go and, and,

43:40

uh, good luck again against the Philadelphia union, May

43:42

6th or 7th, whenever you play them in the

43:44

next round of the open cup. Promotion

43:47

relegation has been introduced now to, to

43:49

USL. And obviously you grew up in

43:51

a system that had promotion relegation. It's

43:53

in your DNA. How impactful do you

43:55

think it can be here in the

43:57

States with the USL being the framework

44:00

to make it happen? I

44:02

think it can be very impactful. I

44:05

have questions on it just

44:07

from probably the same as you

44:09

guys. My

44:11

experience of promotion relegation,

44:14

I've been promoted once

44:16

and I've been relegated

44:18

twice as a player. and

44:20

relegated once as a coach. And

44:22

it's tough. People lose

44:24

the jobs. But

44:27

what would like the country

44:29

to embrace is relegation is

44:31

not a bad thing. And

44:35

until you've lived through it, and

44:37

I would ask, I'd ask

44:39

you the question is, do

44:41

you think Southampton supporters are

44:44

looking forward to next season? And

44:46

the answer to me would

44:48

be yes. You know, I

44:50

remember when I was first coaching Chef Wednesday

44:52

with the first team, Newcastle were

44:54

top of the championship. We were bottom the

44:56

championship. We had to play them. We drew

44:58

2 -2. They were going up. They brought

45:00

10, 12 ,000 fans to Ilesborough, and their support

45:02

was fantastic. When they went to the Premier

45:05

League, they couldn't wait to come back down

45:07

again. There was all this ownership problem, but

45:09

they wanted to see the team winning

45:11

games. So if we can

45:13

look at promotion and relegation

45:16

as part of the game and

45:18

don't and safeguard the

45:20

clubs that if they get relegated, they can still

45:22

be here and still be alive. Then

45:24

I think it might be a good thing. It's

45:26

not a good thing for the wages. I could tell you that for

45:28

the players. You've been

45:31

through it. And that's where we've

45:33

got a safeguard for, you know,

45:35

the players can get another another

45:37

club and another job. Back home,

45:39

it was the tea lady who's

45:41

on the least amount of money

45:43

loses her job. You're

45:45

the kitman who works more

45:47

hours than everybody else, gets

45:49

a wage reduction. And I

45:51

think we've got to make sure that we've

45:53

got safeguarding in place for all the clubs.

45:56

If you get relegated, then you've still got to survive.

45:58

You've still got to be alive. And I don't

46:00

know whether that comes from a bond that you have

46:03

to pay when you come into the promotion relegation

46:05

system. And then also, you

46:07

look at Lute and Town now, and

46:09

I'm so talking about relegation being a good thing

46:11

for some clubs, relegation's been a nightmare for them.

46:13

And they might go down again. Now what they've

46:15

had to do when they got promoted, they've had

46:17

to make their stadium the same standards as Premier

46:20

League standards. So they've had to spend all that

46:22

money on the stadium and next year they might

46:24

be playing in League One. It's

46:26

a really tough situation but that

46:28

club will still survive and it'll still

46:30

be alive. And that's

46:32

where my view on promotion and

46:34

relegation in the US is make sure

46:36

we embrace it and safeguard all

46:38

the clubs that are coming into it

46:40

and don't just... move

46:43

a franchise because it's got relegated and

46:45

moved the club somewhere else because it's

46:47

not fair on all our supporters. We've

46:49

got a fantastic support group like support

46:51

section and all our season to go.

46:53

As I would hate to see that

46:55

if we got relegated, you know, it's

46:57

upstakes and move the club somewhere else. Yeah,

47:00

it's crazy, right? Yeah,

47:02

you look at Sunderland, you look at Leeds

47:04

like teams that have struggled for years

47:06

and years to get back up really quick.

47:08

Sean, we got hit with division one

47:10

for usl about five or six weeks ago

47:12

and immediately about pro rel. Did you

47:14

did you guys as coaches have any input

47:16

on this or do you have any

47:18

input moving forward with regards to the things

47:21

that you're talking about now that you're

47:23

gonna have to safeguard against? I would hope

47:25

that we would have some input, they

47:27

might be a technical group, I'm not part

47:29

of that, I would hope that they

47:31

would be. And

47:33

not from, I'm talking really

47:35

from a club standpoint, not

47:37

the coaching. If

47:39

I was talking just purely from a coaching

47:41

point of view, I would then start asking, well,

47:44

financially, like you said

47:46

Charlie, are the players gonna be

47:48

kept on the same salary? What we're

47:50

gonna do, is there gonna be

47:52

a salary cap? you know,

47:54

can you move a club

47:56

and put them into the

47:58

lowest division, pay them fortunes

48:00

and get them promoted, you

48:03

know, within two years. You

48:05

know, so it's all them sort

48:07

of things I would say

48:09

have to come into some sort

48:11

of communication or conversation to

48:13

make the coaching staff, you know,

48:16

it's fair on everybody across

48:18

the board because... It

48:21

is, it is a tough situation, promotion relegation,

48:23

but if you can embrace it, it can

48:25

be a really positive thing for the, for

48:27

the league and the country. Well, Sean, we

48:29

appreciate your insight on that. And we're excited

48:31

to see how it all plays out for

48:33

us on promotion relegation. And

48:35

we again, wish you the best of luck against

48:37

the Philadelphia union in the next round of

48:39

the open cup. Sean McCauley, everybody. Thank you for

48:41

joining us. Welcome to India 11. Thank

48:44

you. You build upon what you did

48:46

last season, open cup semifinalists fourth in

48:48

their division, first home game, playoff home

48:51

game in five years. Sean McCauley. All

48:53

right. We're going to take our next

48:55

break. Nicole, what you want? When we

48:57

come back, Michael Parkhurst is going to

48:59

be joining us from Rhode Island, FCE.

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you want. A great us open cup show

50:10

on our hands. That was a great interview

50:12

with Sean McCauley. A lot of great phenomenal,

50:14

phenomenal. Yeah. It was, it

50:16

was very good. I feel like we

50:18

could have had him on for another

50:21

three segments and he was a lot

50:23

of fun and obviously has a decorated

50:25

career here as a coach. And so

50:27

he has a lot of perspectives that

50:29

I think are very interesting, but he's

50:31

not alone as a special guest here

50:33

on the show. joining me and big

50:35

tones and Chuck wagon. Michael Parker is

50:37

joining us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Parking.

50:41

Congratulations. Parking. Let's go.

50:44

2017 2019. Great

50:46

to see you as always, Michael Parker. So

50:48

congratulations. First and foremost, Rhode Island FC

50:50

did the business. It was a little tight

50:52

there at the end, but one, two,

50:54

one. And now you find yourself in the

50:56

next round, hosted a game against the

50:58

New England Revolution, your former club. How are

51:00

you feeling? Excited. I

51:03

think it's a dream game

51:05

for us. Yeah,

51:07

to have the opportunity to play

51:09

the Rebs at our stadium about

51:11

four days after we open up

51:13

the stadium. It's incredible. So it's

51:15

an awesome opportunity for the club. Yeah,

51:18

Michael, congrats. That is

51:20

great. Tell us, I've been following this

51:22

stadium deal here for a little bit

51:24

and you guys are building a palace

51:26

up there. It looks like a great

51:28

area. Tell us a little bit

51:30

about it. Yeah, 10 ,500

51:32

seats right in downtown

51:35

Pawtucket on the water.

51:37

It'll be an incredible

51:39

venue. Thankfully, the team's

51:41

in their training already. Everything's

51:44

on target to open it up. We've

51:46

got a huge opening weekend, next weekend,

51:48

where we've got like, I don't know,

51:50

100 plus youth soccer teams coming out

51:52

on the field to do some things.

51:54

Make sure that we got the stadium

51:56

up and running. the waterworks

51:58

and all that stuff. And then

52:00

we open it up May 3rd against

52:02

San Antonio. So super excited. We've

52:04

sold out the game already. It'll

52:06

be, you know, dependent on the weather

52:08

gods, it'll be an amazing day. Talk

52:11

to us about the experience of

52:13

being a part owner in this organization

52:15

and the growth that you've seen,

52:17

the performance, you know, Kano Smith,

52:19

the players that you've been able to have

52:21

and develop. Where would

52:23

you assess after a year

52:26

or so? where you are now

52:28

and where do you think this will eventually

52:30

end up? Yeah, you say

52:32

a year, but it's been like five. And

52:34

those five years have aged me like 10, I

52:36

think. It's crazy when you're

52:38

on the other side of it, what you see

52:40

and what you're not privy to when you're playing

52:42

and all you just do is go out there

52:44

and kick a soccer ball and try and win

52:47

on the weekend. And everything else that goes on

52:49

in the background and all the political

52:51

things to get things up and

52:53

running. It's just incredible the amount

52:55

of red tape that goes on

52:57

in the background. But yeah, it

52:59

makes achieving goals and having success

53:01

even that sweeter. Obviously, no

53:03

one could have predicted that we'd have the success that

53:05

we did last year. It was a slow start. We

53:08

knew it would be. It's tough to be

53:10

an up and coming team. It's tough to

53:12

put a roster together from scratch. It was

53:15

fun. You know, Kano and I

53:17

did it hand in hand and, you

53:19

know, hand in hand. He had a way

53:21

bigger hand than I do. But, you

53:23

know, we talk, you know, almost every day

53:25

and we talk about every player that

53:27

we sign and I watch a lot of

53:29

video on guys. So, you know, he

53:31

did a phenomenal, phenomenal job of putting a

53:33

great team together. We wanted to make

53:35

sure that he had the opportunity to do

53:37

that. So, but. Just because you have

53:40

the opportunity and the funds to put together

53:42

a good team doesn't guarantee success in

53:44

year one. I mean, shoot, we all saw

53:46

Toronto for multiple years. So,

53:48

yeah, it was pretty cool to watch

53:50

it. And for the first time, it was

53:52

like, yeah, yeah, I'm a res fan,

53:54

a crew fan, an Atlanta United fan, but

53:56

I don't have the passion. And when

53:58

I watch a Rhode Island FC game, I

54:00

care. I get a little

54:02

nervous towards the end of the game. Like

54:05

I want them to care about my

54:07

equity, too. You know, my you said, yeah,

54:09

I care about that. Yeah. Well,

54:11

he bested brand new, brand new stadium. You're

54:13

going to be caring a lot more to make

54:15

sure you get some butts and seats, of

54:17

course, and playing well makes a difference. So, so

54:19

you say success because you're in year two

54:21

now, how do you define success? And let's obviously

54:23

you want to go as far as you

54:25

can in the league, but how does that play

54:27

out from an open cup perspective? Is

54:30

it just performing well in front of your

54:32

home fans against the New England Revolution? Do

54:35

you have a goal in mind or you just feel like you're

54:37

playing with House Money at this point? Yeah,

54:40

House Money. I mean, the focus is

54:42

for sure the league. You

54:44

know we've got we know that we've

54:46

got a unique opportunity right we're so

54:48

new to the marketplace people are still

54:50

learning what usl is what the usl

54:52

championship is. It might even

54:54

be a little confusing for some of

54:56

our fans that were playing the revs

54:58

are second game and to let them

55:00

know like we're not in the same

55:02

league together right there's a lot of

55:04

new fans probably and so but. These

55:08

opportunities don't come very often and

55:10

it's crazy that we've got one so

55:12

early on in our stadium life. So

55:14

yeah, of course, we want to take advantage

55:17

of it and we want to put on

55:19

a good performance. Does that mean, you know,

55:21

it's a success if we win the game?

55:23

No, we can have success and not win

55:25

the game, right? If we sell out and

55:27

have an awesome atmosphere and we play well

55:29

and we get the fans excited about that,

55:31

that's a win. Now

55:34

of course the competitor in all of

55:36

us is saying yeah, we're going out

55:38

there to win the game Yeah, and

55:40

it would be legendary Absolutely iconic if

55:42

you beat the revs right in in

55:44

in such an early stage of that

55:46

stadium in an early stage of the

55:49

club. Oh my god Put

55:51

a statue out there for who

55:53

for who? Parky or? Yeah,

56:00

Michael, but it's all great stuff, right? It's

56:02

how you mentioned though, you prioritize the league.

56:04

But I mean, you got to look in

56:06

the guy's eyes, right? No, they're looking at

56:08

this and we all know this, right? Even

56:10

if we never say it, you got a

56:12

chance to play an MLS team, right? And

56:14

these guys, I mean, inherently everybody but wants

56:17

to move up whatever that means in your

56:19

life. Everyone. wants to get to the next

56:21

level, right? It's going to be hard to

56:23

not think about whatever it is, May 6th

56:25

or 7th that you play that you're going

56:27

to have this opportunity, right? Oh, absolutely.

56:29

And we've always said as a club, we

56:31

want our players to have aspirations to

56:34

go to MLS and to go to Europe.

56:36

And we want our coaching staff to

56:38

have those opportunities as well. And when the

56:40

time is right, we want to move

56:42

those people on. And so we understand that.

56:44

And so, yeah, I hope the guys

56:46

are extremely motivated for

56:48

that game in particular, just

56:51

to show everyone what they're made of. And

56:53

we've got a lot of players that have

56:55

had some sort of ties at the youth

56:57

level, professional level to New England. So of

56:59

course, anytime you move on from a club

57:01

and you get then you face them, you

57:03

have a little extra motivation, of course. So

57:06

that'll play into it as well. But there's

57:08

no doubt about no matter what MLS team

57:10

it was, the motivation will be

57:12

higher. It's probably

57:14

even That much more so with

57:16

the team being 30 miles up the road. I

57:19

feel like we should do a studio show

57:21

at the stadium for this game. I know we're

57:23

going to be here. OK. I

57:26

guess all the way over

57:28

there. You know, you

57:30

know, you'd want to. Oh, yeah,

57:32

I would love to go to

57:34

the new stadium. Parky, it feels

57:36

like Rhode Island have a unique

57:38

opportunity also to find the youth

57:40

gems, like the talent. around New

57:42

England, especially in the Rhode Island

57:44

area, which is rich of talent,

57:46

always has been in greater Providence.

57:49

So how do you compete with the

57:51

Revs in signing some of these

57:53

players? You know, have there been players

57:55

already that you've had to tussle with

57:58

the Revs for? And have you been

58:00

successful, you think, in finding some of

58:02

those players that have slipped through

58:04

the cracks? Yeah, we've

58:06

got a good relationship with all the youth

58:08

clubs. And I say all like there's three maybe

58:10

four major clubs in Rhode Island,

58:12

right? Bayside? Yeah, of

58:14

course. Bayside, that's the club I played for.

58:18

Yeah, so it's a delicate balance,

58:20

right? We can't go in there and try

58:22

and own the youth. atmosphere,

58:24

right? We have to have relationships

58:26

with these clubs. And it's

58:28

challenging because a lot of

58:30

them are the top ones

58:32

play MLS next and which

58:34

is great for their players.

58:37

But there's a delicate balance

58:39

right now of figuring out

58:41

where can we insert ourselves

58:43

in the youth ecosphere? Where

58:45

can we get talent and

58:47

not hinder any relationships because

58:49

we need these organizations to

58:51

help us? put

58:53

butts in seats, bring their players to

58:55

our stadium, but also, hopefully, of

58:57

course, we want to find, you know,

59:00

the next Charlie, the next Parkie

59:02

that's playing in Rhode Island in

59:04

southern Massachusetts and play for our club

59:06

one day. Niko Koaluka,

59:08

shout out to Niko

59:10

Koaluka. Absolutely, Jeff Cameron, Niko.

59:13

All right. So Parkie, let's talk about

59:15

your own open cup experiences. You won

59:17

it back in 2007 and 2019. How

59:19

important was this competition for you during

59:21

your career? And how do you pass

59:23

that on to your club, Rhode Island?

59:25

Oh, we got another winner in the

59:27

building, huh? Yeah. You want to

59:29

shove that down my throat? I do.

59:31

Yeah. Sorry, Chuck. No

59:33

questions for you on this one because all the winners

59:35

only. Winners only. Yeah, I'm out. Didn't

59:38

win a trophy with New England. See? It

59:41

can happen. Yeah,

59:45

it was a lot of fun.

59:47

I think that, you know, you said

59:49

like we just kind of squeaked

59:51

by the other night against Portland and

59:53

that's the open cup, right? How

59:55

many times did we all play at

59:57

lower division teams and it's just

59:59

so difficult and it's a challenge and,

1:00:01

you know, some of the turf

1:00:03

fields aren't the best. You

1:00:06

know, it's a Wednesday when you've got travel

1:00:08

for the MLS in the midweek, you know,

1:00:10

on the weekend, and there's just so many

1:00:12

obstacles. And so it's always a challenge, but

1:00:14

it's always fun to go to these different

1:00:16

venues and see what they're going through. How

1:00:18

do they play? You know, where do they

1:00:20

play? What's going on in their lives? So

1:00:22

it's really cool. You

1:00:25

know, I'm not going to sit here

1:00:27

and say that I enjoyed playing every

1:00:29

open cup game, you know, on a

1:00:31

Wednesday with games in between. But for

1:00:33

sure, as the competition went on, right?

1:00:35

It's different. You know, these one and

1:00:37

done games are exciting. And

1:00:39

so I'm really glad that MLS is

1:00:41

still in the competition. And I know

1:00:43

that it's still tweaking things and finding

1:00:45

the right balance. But I think that's

1:00:47

really important. And I'm glad that we've

1:00:49

got this opportunity now to play in

1:00:51

MLS Club. Big

1:00:55

tones is on mute. It's part of our tradition.

1:00:59

I'm not on mute, Parker. They just don't listen

1:01:01

to me. That's what it's come down to. Two

1:01:04

questions first. What is the, what does the

1:01:06

like new day look like for you? Right?

1:01:09

I mean, we're also, we're always so used

1:01:11

to, you know, you get up a certain

1:01:13

time, you eat a certain thing, you train

1:01:15

at a certain time. And I imagine your

1:01:17

day looks completely different. Then I'll throw it

1:01:19

to, we asked Sean McCauley just before you

1:01:21

guys with pro rel coming to the league.

1:01:24

to touch on that and sort of

1:01:26

your first initial thoughts, although we don't

1:01:28

know all the details, but I'm sure

1:01:30

we'll get closer to that as it

1:01:32

moves forward. Yeah.

1:01:35

So outside of Rhode Island, I see I mentor

1:01:38

youth soccer players. So Greg Garza and I started

1:01:40

mentoring business beyond those mentoring where we help out

1:01:42

younger players trying to get to the next level.

1:01:44

I think it a lot of training on the

1:01:46

field. We're here to help them off the field. And

1:01:49

so that's what I do right now

1:01:51

that in Rhode Island FC, that's

1:01:53

play with my dog and try to golf

1:01:55

as much as I can. The

1:01:57

mental side of the game was always

1:01:59

better than the physical side for me. Charlie,

1:02:01

you know, stop it. You were

1:02:03

top. Don't don't downplay nothing

1:02:05

scored from half field champions league.

1:02:08

And when Northland stopped that, I'm not

1:02:10

taking any of that had to

1:02:12

use the brain. ProRail

1:02:15

is exciting. Yeah,

1:02:17

I heard the earlier interview and

1:02:19

he's spot on, right? There's definitely

1:02:21

challenges. Infrastructure is a big

1:02:23

one, right? If they keep

1:02:25

the mandatory, what is it, 15

1:02:27

,000 seats, right? There's no USL

1:02:29

club that's got that, that's

1:02:31

playing in their own stadium. So

1:02:33

there's big challenges, but the

1:02:35

idea of ProRail is exciting. And

1:02:38

we as a club have definitely supported

1:02:40

it and we will Continue to do that

1:02:42

similar to the new clubs that come

1:02:44

into MLS and help grow the league and

1:02:46

bring it to that next level We

1:02:48

want to do that or we want to

1:02:50

be part of that group with usl

1:02:53

championship right bring it to the next level

1:02:55

And so we will definitely be a

1:02:57

part of the top tier when when and

1:02:59

if that gets going and we'd be

1:03:01

excited about it But yeah, there's a lot

1:03:03

of stuff to kind of figure out

1:03:05

between now and then incredible in terms of

1:03:08

you talking to youth players What do

1:03:10

you make of this new MLS next quality

1:03:12

of rankings play for you 13, you

1:03:14

14? Are you for it?

1:03:16

You know, where would if you

1:03:18

were back to when you were playing

1:03:20

and you were 12, 13 years

1:03:22

old, do you think this system would

1:03:24

help you? Do you think this

1:03:26

would be beneficial? Because again, I feel

1:03:28

that there are a lot more

1:03:30

players, former players that were like, use

1:03:32

this system at eight, nine, 10

1:03:34

years old, not not when 12, 13,

1:03:36

14, when you. competitive spirit, winning

1:03:38

the match means a lot in changing

1:03:40

different styles. Sometimes going to

1:03:42

throw away quality of play to win

1:03:44

matches, right? And, you know, where

1:03:46

do you sit on that? Yeah,

1:03:49

it's so challenging. It really

1:03:51

is. Because, of course, players are going

1:03:53

to care about that and they're going

1:03:55

to see it and it's going to

1:03:57

be in their face and present. But

1:04:01

Development is so important and winning and

1:04:03

losing right now is there's I

1:04:05

think there's too big of an emphasis

1:04:07

when they're younger on it already

1:04:09

and And it's just not great for

1:04:11

development when I was 12 and

1:04:13

13 I was like 80 pounds. I

1:04:15

was a hundred pounds going into

1:04:17

high school It's like, you know, and

1:04:19

there's some kids now that are

1:04:21

a hundred pounds and when they're in,

1:04:23

you know, fifth grade, you know,

1:04:25

so it's just God As we

1:04:27

know is like when you are bigger, faster and

1:04:30

stronger, when you're younger, you're one of the best.

1:04:33

And, you know, unless you focused on the

1:04:35

other aspects of your game, you got

1:04:37

passed quickly. And I was one of

1:04:39

those guys that just passed guys as they

1:04:41

continue to rely on those other things. And so

1:04:43

I don't know, it's really challenging. I mean,

1:04:45

from the team perspective, I get it, you know,

1:04:47

you want to focus on winning and. Having

1:04:50

that competitive spirit and that's important, but

1:04:52

playing the game the right way is

1:04:54

also important and you know having good

1:04:56

sportsmanship at such a younger age because

1:04:59

again The majority of these players aren't

1:05:01

going to be pros right, but hopefully

1:05:03

they're going to be good human beings

1:05:05

and learn a lot from being in

1:05:07

these competitive atmospheres Yeah, so Parkie on

1:05:09

that I think what you did when

1:05:11

you were going through that and only

1:05:13

you know 80 pounds or whatever you

1:05:15

had to think the game that was

1:05:17

your way to to solve

1:05:19

problems against players that were bigger, stronger, faster. And

1:05:21

that helped you develop into the player that

1:05:23

you became. And I loved playing

1:05:26

with you when the national team playing

1:05:28

against you, just super smart and your

1:05:30

positioning was excellent. But that got maybe

1:05:32

overdeveloped because it had to be overdeveloped

1:05:34

for you to survive before you could

1:05:36

thrive in that space. And so I

1:05:38

wonder how your style of play would

1:05:40

have fit this MLS quality of play

1:05:42

at around that age group if you

1:05:44

just weren't standing out. for the metrics

1:05:46

that they were looking for. Obviously a

1:05:48

big conversation and Chuck continues to want

1:05:50

to continue to bring it up. And

1:05:52

by the way, we've got Luis Robles

1:05:54

coming on the show right now. it

1:05:56

an important conversation to have and to

1:05:58

continue to have, right? The dialogue of

1:06:00

coaches, players. Hey,

1:06:02

I got him. I got him, everybody. I got him.

1:06:04

Hook, light and sinker. I got Chuck. Okay. So

1:06:07

I do want to pivot and talk about the Champions

1:06:09

League because you got to play against some very

1:06:11

good teams in your Champions League experience. Chelsea,

1:06:13

Juventus, amongst others. How cool is

1:06:15

it to see more Americans playing in

1:06:17

that competition and talk about your

1:06:19

experience in particular? Yeah, it's

1:06:21

awesome. I mean, it's great to see more Americans

1:06:23

playing in Europe, playing in these big teams, playing

1:06:25

in big leagues, competitions. It's awesome. And

1:06:28

for even somebody like me, it's just

1:06:30

even better to watch a game that's gotten

1:06:32

an American playing in it. If I'm

1:06:34

choosing between Premier League games to watch on

1:06:36

a Saturday, and Bournemouth's on,

1:06:38

I'll probably watch the Bournemouth game. You

1:06:42

want to follow the American players, and

1:06:44

so that's extra special for us. And

1:06:46

yeah, it was one of the best experiences

1:06:48

of my life. That, the Olympics, and winning MLS

1:06:50

Cup. Yeah,

1:06:53

Charlie, that's what the ball is. Olympics right

1:06:55

here, me and Chuck. We got robbed.

1:06:57

We got robbed. I mean, just in

1:06:59

terms of the quality that we had. It's

1:07:01

always a sore, sore, sore subject.

1:07:04

The worst, the worst tie of

1:07:06

my career ever 90th minute free

1:07:08

kick under the wall, but yeah,

1:07:10

I'm over it. I've gotten over

1:07:12

it. Well, Michael Parkers, thank

1:07:14

you so much for your time. Good luck to

1:07:16

Rhode Island FC on either May 6th or May

1:07:18

7th at home in your brand new stadium against

1:07:20

the New England revolution. I hope that

1:07:22

we can somehow wrangle ourselves to be there in

1:07:24

person. That would be next level, putting some pressure

1:07:27

on our producers to make that happen. Yes,

1:07:30

well, we'll definitely let you know continued success with

1:07:32

the club and for all the mentoring you're doing,

1:07:34

obviously important work for our youth. And again, yeah,

1:07:36

best of luck in the open cup. All right.

1:07:38

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1:07:40

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