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Code.com. and co.com. I thought Panama

1:01

were classically concave and knowing the exact

1:03

moments with the fake and injury,

1:05

went to go down. We were

1:07

talking about that. They did it.

1:09

They hit all the beats. They

1:11

knew exactly what they were doing

1:13

in that respect. But

1:29

at this level, you need to be switched

1:31

on at all times, because we might need

1:34

you for that one moment. We needed him

1:36

and he didn't come up big. And there's

1:38

just a lot of questions in general. Okay,

1:40

we have a couple creative players on the

1:42

bench. We have Giorana. Everybody's clamoring for,

1:44

of course, but Diego Luna was another

1:46

option that Hojitina seemed high on. And

1:49

he brings on Jackman Glenn. That was a sub

1:51

where we were all like, well, that was not

1:53

on our bingo on our bingo card. But he

1:55

was good. Yeah you saw I thought he came

1:57

and impacted the game it was okay beating

1:59

from deep and And a fair side to

2:01

side of hitting switches. Better on that department,

2:03

the attack her testament was. So I did

2:05

not think that a very good game of

2:08

distribution. I can't really fault the introduction to

2:10

McLean. Maybe you keep. Okay, Rod Dumont was

2:12

dangerous when he came on as well. I

2:14

don't really fault either one of those guys.

2:17

But do you feel like there could be,

2:19

do you just have to take out one

2:21

of your big names and throw? Gio slash

2:23

Diego out there. I think he had a

2:26

very good game. I think he could have

2:28

been someone that could have been sacrificed in

2:30

that moment. But then you're thinking, all right,

2:32

are we going to go to extra time

2:35

and not have some of our best guys

2:37

available? Maybe even some of your penalty kicktakers?

2:39

I don't know if that comes into the

2:41

game. And Weston's been one of our most

2:44

much players in this competition in Luna and

2:46

Girena. Yeah, younger guys knew you might be

2:48

surprised at what they bring, right? I agree

2:50

with Chris in the fact that, you know,

2:53

I thought Jack did a great job. I

2:55

thought he came in and it was actually

2:57

actively going and sticking the ball and getting

2:59

it and turning and playing and switching the

3:02

point of attack. You know, I thought that's

3:04

him on also was that although we created

3:06

the biggest chance of the game where he

3:08

gets through one on one. It's tough to

3:11

say, you know, what could have been done

3:13

better in terms of Pochacino saying, oh, this

3:15

stuff may not make a lot of mistakes

3:17

on the ball. They didn't give us, you

3:20

know, any any free looks other than that

3:22

one. And unfortunately, you know, we did give

3:24

them their only looks in the game throughout

3:26

the game was when we were making a

3:29

mistake, which that last little comes off as

3:31

well. So, you know, it's tough to say,

3:33

you know, what could have been done better,

3:36

better, better, you know. The subs had an

3:38

impact. I think in general the intensity of

3:40

the players as the player you just want

3:42

to compete to the highest level. I don't

3:45

think there was enough competition from enough players

3:47

on that field tonight. Yeah, I guess when

3:49

we're speaking about performances in our recaps is

3:51

did we have enough players on our team

3:54

that that gave you a seven or eight

3:56

out of ten? Exactly. And I don't think

3:58

we could say enough of them did to

4:00

tip everything. in our favor. Yeah, I actually

4:03

think that a lot of players for me

4:05

along the defensive line, I would say maybe

4:07

bar, Richardson, Musso, I don't think had great

4:09

games. I thought Scali was excellent, I thought

4:12

Green was excellent, I thought Tyler Adams was

4:14

excellent, you're lacking quality. And that's just like

4:16

not a thing that we should be talking

4:18

about with the US. We talked about a

4:21

generation for years in me, Jimmy and Jonathan,

4:23

where it was... Our generous. Did we have

4:25

enough in the attack to go win the

4:27

biggest games? And now you have players that

4:30

are Christian ballistic is that Milan, West McKennie

4:32

is that you've been to, who has mostly

4:34

set Milan, you should have... enough quality. Yeah,

4:36

one player. And like, I don't know, you

4:39

talk about chances. I don't feel they were

4:41

amazing chances. No, but, I, Jimongs was good.

4:43

But it's, it's also a situation where, if

4:45

that were peppy, if that were balligan, if

4:48

that were hat you right, maybe you fancied

4:50

a bit more. And Patrick got you months,

4:52

a brilliant story. Just not certain these, he's

4:54

national team. That's fair. That's fair. And now

4:57

when you bring up those names. You wonder

4:59

what this team looks like if those players

5:01

had been available? So Junior Death is now

5:03

starting again for PSP. What does it look

5:06

like? B's on the right side. What does

5:08

it look like when Jedi Robinson is bombing

5:10

up and down the left side? I thought

5:12

it was more apparent than maybe it's ever

5:15

been that we missed some of our key

5:17

players that we are trusting to give you

5:19

that seven or eight out of 10. I

5:21

agree with what you were saying about Scholi

5:24

playing well, right? But he wasn't being asked

5:26

the lie. Kind of just holding down the

5:28

back, allowing our right side to get forward

5:30

a little bit more, right? You lose a

5:33

big piece with Jedi when he's not playing.

5:35

what's fully there that dynamic ability that he

5:37

has to get forward to get back I

5:39

you know I agree with what you say

5:42

by you play well but I think he

5:44

can do better yeah of course I don't

5:46

think that was and they and they clearly

5:49

lack a left-footed deliverer of across right yeah

5:51

it's even mention that you don't have in

5:53

the game even less to open up and

5:55

play it yeah but all of it yeah

5:58

because if you're on the left side you

6:00

come back to your right everything becomes predictable

6:02

Eunice Musa playing out wide. I understand why

6:04

Pucatino likes it, but he doesn't deliver a

6:07

good cross either. In my opinion. So I

6:09

think having pullbacks on either side that aren't

6:11

really capable of delivering, we didn't have that

6:13

many good crossing moments in the game. No,

6:16

no. Well, they must have set a record

6:18

for headers because all we did is keep

6:20

hitting Panama Centerbacks right in the head. Yes.

6:22

So, so yeah, it's interesting times. I mean,

6:25

there's a lot to unpack to unpackid their

6:27

best guys. Would anyone in the Panama team

6:29

make it into the U.S. team? Would anyone?

6:31

Maybe, maybe, was it Cordoba? Maybe karaskea? Farhado,

6:34

could be a shout now? No, I don't

6:36

think so. I think karaskea, I think, would

6:38

be, okay. Yeah, you would have a chance.

6:40

There's just that. I get it. But they're

6:43

so organized and they have an identity of

6:45

having a consistent coach for the last five

6:47

years. You're talking about players. And for me,

6:49

there is an element of it where when

6:52

you keep dropping results against teams that you're

6:54

supposed to be better than that Hochino's talking

6:56

about dominating that all of us, let's be

6:58

honest in the build-up, we're talking about not

7:01

if the US will win, but by how

7:03

much, then these are games you have to

7:05

take care of independent of the players you

7:07

have available. So one of the players you

7:10

have. we were definitely trying to get Moussa

7:12

up the line, right? And trying to create

7:14

that width. And we created some decent chances,

7:16

hit some long balls, where I thought we

7:19

were better in the second half is when

7:21

we actually beat that first player in a

7:23

one v one situation. And I just thought

7:25

it took us too long to get there.

7:28

And I just thought it took us too

7:30

long to get there. I don't know if

7:32

it was discussed at halftime or whatever, but

7:34

once the players took a little bit more

7:37

initiative, And maybe, and even when we were

7:39

doing little combination plays and Tim was doing,

7:41

they still weren't really moving them around, you

7:43

know, so it's just, I don't know, it's

7:46

a little frustrated that we weren't solving problems

7:48

quicker. Yeah, I think rhythm is a big

7:50

thing that comes to mind with what you

7:52

were saying, right? The rhythm of the game

7:55

in the first half was pretty slow. to

7:57

move them. They were able to just shift

7:59

very easily, one side to the other. You

8:02

know, we tried to go behind a few

8:04

times, great some more space between them. But

8:06

second half, the moments of rhythm where it

8:08

really was created was when we did beat

8:11

someone one week once. And then we would

8:13

get down the line and then talking about

8:15

the crossing. Crossing wasn't good enough, right? Can

8:17

we add some pieces into it? Some pieces

8:20

weren't good enough, either. Yeah, which is interesting

8:22

because for me, for me, it was a

8:24

great ball for me, for me, But for

8:26

the United States men's national team, he has

8:29

never been a very good undertaker or send

8:31

his taker in general. Two points on that.

8:33

One, I thought Panama were classically concave. And

8:35

knowing the exact moments with the vacant injury,

8:37

went to go down. We were talking about

8:39

that. They did it. They hit all the

8:41

beats. They knew exactly what they were doing

8:43

in that respect. And to your point of

8:45

not moving the team side to side. Again,

8:47

you don't want to make excuses. This is

8:49

where the narrow field plays a role in

8:51

my view. You can hit a perfect switch.

8:53

And McLinn did and Western McKinney did, right

8:55

into the stride, on a normal-sized pitch, you

8:57

have space. But when you're playing five across

8:59

the back, and you hit a switch, there's still

9:01

no space. And there's no space really in the middle.

9:04

They created nothing to the middle, which I think is

9:06

a real concern, because what Tino talked a lot in

9:08

the buildupa, a lot in the buildup talked a lot

9:10

in the buildup about having a lot in the buildup

9:12

about having, about having, about having ballistic, as his number

9:15

10, as his number 10. because he thinks that maybe

9:17

that's just better a position. He didn't get on the

9:19

ball enough. He didn't get on the ball enough. Johnny,

9:21

we both Chris and I have interrupted you two or

9:24

two times. I like being interrupted. I'm hearing you guys

9:26

and listening. I'm not going to listen. You had some

9:28

good points. I mean, I was just going to

9:30

mention about the rhythm and then like. Again,

9:32

it goes back to the competing

9:34

and guys just wanting to win

9:36

out there, right? It's like, sometimes

9:38

I look at these guys and

9:40

he's mentioned already a few times

9:42

that they play so well for

9:45

their club teams. They play in

9:47

champions league, they play in the

9:49

top division leagues, they play in

9:51

the top division leagues in the

9:53

top division leagues in the world.

9:55

Whenever they come back to the

9:57

US, like they're lacking something that

9:59

they do. I just have a hard

10:01

time believing any of that because as a

10:03

player and having played it at a high

10:05

level, you either find a way to win

10:08

or you lose, right? That's just the reality

10:10

of all of it. So these guys just

10:12

need to come together and figure out the

10:14

best way for them to start competing and

10:16

again, finding solutions to solve these problems that

10:19

we have. It's tough when you have a

10:21

result like this, like where to find the

10:23

bright spots. I'll try to find one. One

10:25

silver line is we're gonna have a cracking

10:28

affair in the third place game because we

10:30

got either Canada or Mexico. And both of

10:32

us are gonna be embarrassed to be in

10:34

that position. So there's gonna be some pride

10:36

at stake. So I'll take that. Nobody wants

10:39

to finish sports. I know the possible teams

10:41

are gonna be right. Exactly right. Ready than

10:43

to finish for it. Yeah. So there's a

10:45

silver line there. But but then when you

10:48

look at player performance. There's a couple it

10:50

almost gets back to certain moments I was

10:52

like oh that was good in that moment

10:54

But was there a consistent performance that was

10:56

good when you go back to front. Yeah,

10:59

you got good solid games But to your

11:01

point it didn't help us win the game.

11:03

Yes, we didn't have enough players that either

11:05

took responsibility push the game I know these

11:08

are kind of easy statements to me. It's

11:10

a lot harder out there when you're like

11:12

shit we got We've got 10 guys that

11:14

are sitting on top of the box. What

11:16

the hell do you expect us to do?

11:19

How are we going to create rhythm? Where's

11:21

the space to hit crosses? I can't find

11:23

out number nine. Christian, where's Christian? I can't

11:25

find Christian? I can't find Christian. He's like

11:28

lost in the sea of Panamanian players. It's

11:30

just hard at times. But, so you're guys'

11:32

points, they have so much experience. They should

11:34

be able, if anybody's going to do it.

11:36

a lot of the talk. If Gregor Halter

11:39

were still the manager, we would be saying

11:41

Greg for Alter does not have the ideas

11:43

to get this team to break down low

11:45

blocks. And so what we know. And he's

11:48

trusting MLS players and doing all this. Right.

11:50

And so you do the If it were

11:52

per halter, we would be having a completely

11:54

different conversation. And look, Cuxtino is at a

11:56

very limited amount of time. It's hard to

11:59

coach international football when guys are playing on

12:01

a Sunday, flying across the world and then

12:03

play on a Thursday in Los Angeles. Completely

12:05

understand it, but if Cuxtino is meant to

12:08

be a force multiplier for the talent in

12:10

the team, because of his quality as a

12:12

coach, they didn't shine through it today. Do

12:14

you feel like when we hit halftime? I

12:16

feel like we saw a few adjustments a

12:19

few adjustments, Yep. But was that enough? I

12:21

mean he makes some stuff to try to

12:23

change a game and the subs were fine,

12:25

right? We're kind of getting like in the

12:28

fine department. Ahjuman could have made, went from

12:30

average to good, to good to great, you

12:32

know, if he scores. And now, and now

12:34

Pat's Tina's looking like a genius, you know,

12:36

it's like these fine, fine margins. This is

12:39

a really tough game to evaluate because, because

12:41

to your point, we need to be able

12:43

to win these games, even when it's ugly.

12:45

Can we win ugly? And we win ugly.

12:48

And we didn't do that today. Yeah, I

12:50

think it goes back to kind of the

12:52

thing we were talking about during the game

12:54

and as well, we've mentioned a couple times

12:56

already, having players kind of out of position

12:59

from what they normally play. Yeah, you would

13:01

expect them to be able to compete in

13:03

any position possible. But really, you want your

13:05

strongest players in the strongest like their strongest

13:08

positions, right? And that also adds to a

13:10

team being able to be dynamic on both

13:12

sides of the field. I felt we were

13:14

a little bit more dynamic in the first

13:17

up on the right side of the right.

13:19

being dynamic. And we lost a little bit

13:21

on the right. And so, you know, I

13:23

think school, ended up, our balance was, our

13:25

balance was on it. That's what I feel.

13:28

So the balance of being able to go

13:30

down the left, go down the right. They

13:32

were able to, Pamela was able to shift

13:34

and keep us pretty much the one side

13:37

in front of them the whole game. And

13:39

I think that was a big problem for

13:41

us as well. Yeah. And that's based at

13:43

least in part because. Puchasino is playing them

13:45

with different roles than we're playing under great

13:48

roleters. Yeah, when you look at it. Way

13:50

on the left, ballistic with the middle, Junus

13:52

Musa is kind of a wide right, kind

13:54

of getting both up and down as a

13:57

fullback. Yeah. He's completely changed the profiles of

13:59

all the best players in the... while trying

14:01

to figure it out in very short verse.

14:03

And this is the challenge of international management.

14:05

I think you saw today, Panama have an

14:08

idea. It's not very complex. It's not. But

14:10

they've drilled it over time and they know

14:12

this is how we play, this is how

14:14

we defend, this is how we implement our

14:17

card strategy, this is how we make a

14:19

goal in the calendar. They're excellent. And for

14:21

me... They're like Pete Kunkicap. Yes, absolutely, absolutely.

14:23

And that's the one thing that the US

14:25

is never going to escape. You're still in

14:28

Kalkicap. You're soft to learn how to play

14:30

in Europe. But it's a completely different thing.

14:32

I want to say, though, just as a

14:34

point of credit to the point of credit

14:37

to the credit to the opposition to the

14:39

opposition to the opposition to the opposition to

14:41

the opposition to the opposition to the opposition

14:43

to the talked about as being promoted within

14:45

the international sphere. If Mexico go out tonight

14:48

and lose to Canada and they're talking about

14:50

what manager can they go get, why not

14:52

some of the international experience of Thomas Christensen,

14:54

whom is managing in a Spanish-speaking nation and

14:57

has gotten so much out of this team.

14:59

For me, yeah, you want to go and

15:01

get the biggest name in the club game

15:03

because those are the managers to pay a

15:05

lot of attention to. But I think at

15:08

a certain point you have to respect the

15:10

track record that Christensen has brought in now

15:12

being the United States four times in competitive

15:14

game. They and him in particular deserve a

15:17

lot of credit and we should give them

15:19

their flowers. It was a hell of performance

15:21

from Panama. They executed their game plan flawlessly

15:23

and they got the goal that they needed

15:25

at the very end and left no time

15:28

for the US to get back into it.

15:30

Yes. So well played to Thomas Christensen in

15:32

Panama, but the US perspective. And well played

15:34

to Cecilia Waterman as well for his celebration.

15:37

The celebration was crazy. That was crazy. Crazy,

15:39

crazy. Very cool. Terry revealed after the game

15:41

that he was shouting at him. To what

15:43

is me either though, you are my idol.

15:45

So that was what he went up there

15:48

and checked on the stage. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing.

15:50

There's a photo that he's going to cherish

15:52

for the rest of his life. That's incredible.

15:54

That's a very cool moment. All right, we're

15:57

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17:18

You called this game. I'm still in

17:20

my feelings. I feel like I'm still

17:22

trying to process what I just witnessed.

17:24

Where are you on the emotional scale.

17:26

Are you disappointed? Are you in the

17:28

unacceptable range? Like I am? Like how

17:30

do we not do better with how

17:32

we performed? I mean, I thought we

17:34

had more than enough chances to score.

17:36

But nothing was like super clean, you

17:38

know? I'm in the unacceptable. Yeah, that's

17:40

a good way to put it. Yeah.

17:42

I said during the broadcast, it just

17:44

needs to be sharper in both ends

17:46

of the field. Now there wasn't much

17:48

to do defensively, but we all know,

17:50

right? You win games in both boxes.

17:52

We didn't make enough plays in one

17:54

box and we don't make a play

17:56

in the other box and that's the

17:58

margins and if you look at it

18:00

moving forward. Okay, we can say that

18:02

Panama is our Boggies team, whatever it

18:04

is, right? Four times they've beaten us

18:06

and knocked us out. We can say

18:08

all of that, and all of that

18:10

might be true. But if you're gonna

18:12

advance in a World Cup, right? You

18:14

have to be sharp in those moments.

18:16

We're gonna play at least two of

18:18

these types of teams in the World

18:20

Cup. And that's where I was gonna

18:22

go, right? This is the type of

18:24

team. That get and I don't want

18:26

but I want to do this. I

18:28

want to do this all without taking

18:30

any credit away from Panama. Yeah, because

18:32

if Thomas Christensen last night went to

18:34

bed and could draw his perfect game

18:36

plan. Yeah, today was hitting it all

18:38

played out. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so let's

18:40

talk about that last goal though as

18:42

a resident goalkeeper. And Andrei Kantor, the

18:44

legend was joining us right after it

18:46

happened and he thought Matt Turner could

18:48

have done better. I, I, I, we

18:50

could agree on that. But I thought

18:52

Tim Rehn was in the position, then

18:54

he like went central and then didn't

18:56

go step out at all. I thought

18:58

he should take some responsibility. I mean,

19:00

there's a lot of people that can

19:02

take responsibility. For me, the goalkeeper's always

19:04

the last domino to fall in a

19:06

sequence of events. But just from his

19:08

positioning and angles, where were you on

19:10

Matt Turner on that goal? I mean,

19:12

I went to the desk right after

19:14

the game and by the way, let's

19:16

talk about the sequence. It comes over

19:18

a criticalistic hitting a ball back to

19:20

his loss. Then McKenzie comes in and

19:22

misses the tackle. I think it was

19:24

McKenzie, right? And then the ball gets

19:26

wide. It gets settled in front of

19:28

your box. Not hard pressure on Taraschita,

19:30

right? Waterman peals off. Don't take any

19:32

credit away from them. He hits a

19:34

dark, right? But in the end, Matt's

19:36

feet are as the ball we had

19:38

it about separated from his foot about

19:40

a yard. Matt's feet are just coming

19:42

down to hit the ground. So he

19:44

hasn't set yet. So he's not set

19:46

yet. And for me, Jimmy, I'm gonna,

19:48

I'm gonna. on this because I have

19:50

since. 10 minutes after we got knocked

19:52

out in 2022. The only way you

19:54

can stay sharp for these moments, right,

19:56

is to be playing all the time

19:59

because you can train all you want.

20:01

You guys know, I give you Jonathan

20:03

three balls across the box. You're not

20:05

a gold score, but if you were

20:07

playing, if we were doing cross play,

20:09

hey, he's got two goals and 38

20:11

caps. Just a respect, too. Right. But

20:13

you would find a way to get

20:15

a rhythm. This is when you have

20:17

there's no mulligans in this yeah, right

20:19

in this moment here And that's that's

20:21

the hardest part to swallow for a

20:23

goalkeeper because it's the hardest thing to

20:25

do you don't do anything for an

20:27

entire game? And then boom in a

20:29

split second you got something to do

20:31

Yeah, no, it's incredible right? Like you're

20:33

saying it that moment will never ever

20:35

happen again either for him So you

20:37

can't train it, you can replicate it.

20:39

Like the way that Christian brings up,

20:41

try to bring it down and then

20:43

other players. My biggest thing from that

20:45

entire play was no one from the

20:47

US after Christian heads it down, tries

20:49

to take initiative to break that play

20:51

up. Right, everyone kind of looks at

20:53

each other, like you're gonna go, I'm

20:55

gonna go, we go, no, they go.

20:57

And then they kind of also do

20:59

the same, but they're the ones quickest

21:01

to get to get to that ball,

21:03

right, right? So that part of it.

21:05

for me is the worst that no

21:07

one on our team is taking an

21:09

initiative to grab the group and put

21:11

them on their back and say like

21:13

guys we're clearing this ball we're going

21:15

forward and we're just gonna win on

21:17

both sides of the ball as well

21:19

so agreed with your point there as

21:21

well. All right so tones we talked

21:23

about in the first segment with Chris

21:25

Winanam and Chris thank you so much

21:27

for stopping by and joining us that

21:29

we didn't have enough players that were

21:31

seven or eight out of 10. And

21:33

if we had more of those, that

21:35

maybe would have tipped the game in

21:37

our favor, right? Including that one play.

21:39

You need your players in that one

21:41

moment, the fine margins to come up

21:43

and make a play, especially in these

21:45

types of games. Where would you rate

21:47

Maurice Pochitino out of 10 in this

21:49

particular game, taking starting lineup in tactics

21:51

that you saw? And then obviously the

21:53

subject come on, where does he fit

21:55

into this equation for you? So witty

21:57

asked me, okay, Ajiman for for a

21:59

sergeant, that's a like for like, right?

22:01

I didn't think so. A little, he's

22:03

six foot four, so at least he

22:05

might even get better, potentially on crosses.

22:07

And I said in the game, when

22:09

the game opens up and you can

22:11

run in behind, Ajuman is good. He

22:13

had one opportunity to do that. He's

22:15

bouncing. He could have, but he's now

22:17

got to get it over to his

22:19

leg. But anyway, he gets an opportunity,

22:21

right? So he's dangerous. McLinn, for me,

22:23

as much as I like him, and

22:25

didn't do it, I don't think he

22:27

put a foot wrong in the game.

22:29

It was like for me with Testament,

22:31

right? So. Woody, I don't know, I

22:33

don't know. Why not bring in a

22:35

geo or a gigaluna, right? I don't

22:37

remember how Woody asked me the question,

22:39

but basically it came down to, and

22:41

you're surprised, Gio didn't go in the

22:43

game. Gio or Luna, I'm surprised, didn't

22:45

go in the game. Only because they're

22:47

a different profile. Again, I'll go back

22:49

to, I don't think McLinn put a

22:51

foot wrong. He completed every past, he

22:53

did what he did what he had

22:55

to do, but I thought he had

22:57

to do, but I thought he had

22:59

to do, but I thought he said.

23:01

He's just. He's just. He did, he

23:03

did, he did, he did, he did,

23:06

he did, he did, he did, he

23:08

did, he did, he did, he did,

23:10

he did, he did, he did, he

23:12

did, he did, but, he did, he

23:14

did, he did, he did, he did,

23:16

he did, he did, he did, And

23:18

maybe, maybe didn't mention that. I said,

23:20

it gives you a long distance and

23:22

he almost had an opportunity. He did.

23:24

He got blocked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

23:26

Yeah. It's, it's, so what do you

23:28

rate? What do you, what would you

23:30

give Pochitino in this? Where does he

23:32

fall on this? Because we, we had

23:34

already argued and talked about, especially during

23:36

the watch along that. Everybody's responsible for

23:38

this poor performance, right? The players didn't

23:40

execute at the level that they should

23:42

have and maybe he didn't make the

23:44

right selections. Did you like it starting

23:46

in 11? I mean, he could maybe

23:48

go to some tears. Yeah, I like

23:50

the starting with, I like the fact

23:52

that he made the change between ballistic

23:54

and way on the second half. I

23:56

thought Timothy Way was the best player

23:58

in the field for us, right? At

24:00

least took the most initiative. I don't

24:02

know, we had a, you know, we

24:04

have a manager that didn't get through

24:06

to the final for the first time

24:08

in this competition. So already,

24:10

right, I mean, we'll be,

24:12

five, I mean, I don't know how

24:15

to rate these things, you know, I

24:17

know, I know, I know, it's just

24:19

kind of like, it's, it's, we have

24:21

to look at that first, right? Yeah,

24:23

yeah, yeah. So it's always so hard,

24:26

but. They're neat for me that there

24:28

just needs to be more from from

24:30

us in both boxes. We just need

24:32

to be ruthless and right now we're

24:34

not ruthless. All right so. We need

24:36

a reaction Jonathan Born scene in the

24:39

next game. I don't want to like

24:41

too far forward because we'll have a

24:43

special preview podcast for the third place game.

24:45

We don't know who our opponent is. Those

24:47

two teams are warming up right now behind

24:50

this Mexico versus Canada. But but there has

24:52

to be some type of reaction. And I

24:54

guess if we just had to speculate, how

24:56

many changes to the starting 11 do you

24:59

think we would potentially see? Do you think

25:01

it'd be a wholesale changes or do you

25:03

think he's gonna probably keep it similar? I'm

25:05

kind of curious. No, no, I think, you

25:07

know, I think you gotta go with more

25:10

balance on the field, right? I think you

25:12

gotta get a left-footed player out there on

25:14

the left, for the left fullback. You know,

25:16

just to provide those services with the left,

25:18

you know, the ball comes in and they

25:20

open up, they provide the test. Every time

25:22

school gets the ball, you know, he's cutting

25:24

into his right, which takes longer, players have

25:26

more time to close things down, it slows

25:28

the game down a little bit. If you

25:30

can have both those things on the right

25:32

and the left, I think that's better for

25:34

the US, right? We've mentioned that during the

25:37

game as well. I'm interested to see who's

25:39

going to win this game because we've talked

25:41

for so many years about how the US

25:43

and Mexico are the two strongest teams

25:45

in the cocker cap. I feel like

25:47

teams have gotten up to us. I

25:49

feel like our players have gotten better

25:51

on paper where they're all playing in

25:53

Europe, they're playing in the highest leagues,

25:56

they're competing at a consistent basis, right?

25:58

And so it's going to be... interesting

26:00

to see who we play in the

26:02

third and fourth place game and what

26:04

changes we also need to make in

26:07

order to beat whoever loses this next

26:09

game as well. Well it's gonna be

26:11

an exciting third place game because we're

26:13

either gonna get Jesse Marsh in Canada

26:15

or US Mexico third place game which

26:18

would be pretty well. Did you say

26:20

an exciting third place game? Is that

26:22

what it's very exciting? Well yeah because

26:24

this is my silver lining. We need

26:26

everybody at this point. Brian says Turner

26:29

and Tessman have to be out for

26:31

the third place game. Stephen should be

26:33

in for sure. A lot of disappointed.

26:35

I don't know. I don't know where

26:37

you think there should be some changes.

26:39

If we're going to see any big

26:42

tones. Third place game, you may for

26:44

me automatically forget the goal. You make

26:46

a changing goal. Right. I think you

26:48

got to give somebody an opportunity. Now

26:50

that's me personally. Okay. And it didn't

26:52

matter if that's how to go win

26:54

or any. We just lost the game. I

26:57

also think there's something where we talked about

26:59

it. Pochitino doesn't have a lot of windows

27:01

left with the full group, right? So what

27:03

is he trying to work on, right? So

27:05

we've got to look at that. How much

27:07

does he want to use, that's called the

27:09

starting 11, to get a little bit more

27:11

in tune with everybody? But I would guess

27:13

there's going to be a minimum of four

27:15

changes in this game. By the way, can

27:17

you stop bringing guys in that are really

27:19

good? Like we need to keep our jobs,

27:22

you know? We're bringing guys in that are

27:24

really good to do this thing. And yeah,

27:26

I'm gonna talk to our producer, Dez. We

27:28

gotta stop bringing good guys in. That are

27:30

good at this job. Well, we know that

27:32

Clint Dempsey went on, went on TV and

27:34

was saying that these guys have no fight.

27:36

That we lack a little bit of bite.

27:38

And we talked about the pregame though, that

27:40

Weston said before the game in the press

27:42

conference, Christian said it before the game in

27:44

the press conference that that poachuccino is trying

27:47

to give him a little bit more nastiness.

27:49

I don't know if I saw any nastiness.

27:51

I don't know if I saw us dabbling

27:53

in the dark arts where we saw it

27:55

with Panama who were doing it in space.

27:57

It's like one of their things. What was

27:59

the phrase that you're using you in the

28:01

watch along. Explain that to everybody for

28:03

the podcast. Oh yeah, the thing I

28:06

learned in Mexico. Well, they in Mexico

28:08

and in Central South America, they have

28:10

a term that they call conmillo, which

28:12

like it means like a thing. They

28:15

always touch that that and on the

28:17

field, what that means is like the

28:19

dark, pretty much. And everybody when they're

28:22

little, they learn it. They learn how

28:24

to manage a game, feel a bump

28:26

and go down and win a foul.

28:29

The US was having a lot of

28:31

good rhythm. You know, if they get

28:33

a fountain, they'd stay down, roll around,

28:35

train or have to come on the

28:37

field, slow the game down, get their

28:39

rhythm back for them. So these type

28:41

of things are what you'd learn from

28:43

like growing up as a culture in

28:45

Central South America, something we've lacked as

28:47

Americans in soccer. And so I think

28:49

we lacked that, we lacked that, we

28:51

lacked, and just winning a game and

28:53

seeing a game out and everything that

28:55

maybe. Hoachino has grown up with knowing

28:57

yeah, he's trying to instill in us

28:59

and you know, obviously has not a

29:01

lot of time to do it, but

29:03

but hopefully something can say right right

29:05

I'm sorry man we got players playing

29:07

around the world I know I know

29:09

I know this is not like our

29:12

our you 16 team that has never

29:14

left America, you know I mean, and

29:16

we see it in the US as

29:18

well, but like we got to be

29:20

a little bit we were advanced like

29:22

that I hate bringing up the old

29:24

days, but I feel like they got

29:26

away. We got away from it. Yeah,

29:28

right, right, right, right. Because somehow we

29:30

didn't like it anymore. Look, you're here

29:32

to win a game. That's it. You

29:34

got knocked out game. We got knocked

29:37

out. You got to win a game.

29:39

Yeah. I think what's interesting is that

29:41

there are moments in the game, even

29:43

when you don't have the ball where

29:46

you can see someone kind of taking

29:48

charge, like, we're going to press, we're

29:50

going to go with this. Give me

29:52

the god damn ball, I'm gonna go

29:54

do something. And I don't think we saw

29:57

a lot of that from anybody on either side

29:59

of the ball. At least I... consistently. But I

30:01

think that's what probably falls into the unacceptable part for

30:03

me too. This is a game to your point tones

30:05

that we need to win. So you got to make

30:07

the God damn play. So they're going to do it.

30:10

So, and those are the margins. It's, it's, it's given

30:12

a little extra. Wouldn't I didn't feel like I gave

30:14

anybody give a little extra on a tackle or an

30:16

elbow or anything to the face? Did you see a

30:18

tackle? I think the only time we saw one from

30:20

Dallas and we all see here because it's like the

30:23

one tackle we saw a game. We needed a little

30:25

bit more fire guys throwing their bodies on the line.

30:27

Guys taking that initiative to really what you're saying is

30:29

take the game and grab it by the horse. Yeah.

30:31

Yeah. We're gonna do this. You need the ball. You

30:34

move. I saw Timorim do it a couple times in

30:36

the first step where you had the ball in his

30:38

foot. He's like telling guys to move. Right. Like

30:40

more of that. More of guys

30:42

just being. That's that's Tyler Adams

30:45

force and I didn't I don't

30:47

feel like we saw that from

30:49

Tyler today. It wasn't as evident

30:51

as issue Washington. I don't know,

30:53

maybe saw something different from the

30:56

booth. I thought he was okay

30:58

in the game. He did his

31:00

thing. I thought him and Tessman

31:02

kind of did the same thing

31:04

a lot. Especially during that first

31:06

half. Oh, we were far too

31:09

slow. I said in the

31:11

first half. I thought Christian

31:13

was very average today. Musa

31:16

was average today. Do you

31:18

think that, just to jump in,

31:20

do you think that Pocissino and

31:23

his staff will regret starting two

31:25

sixes at the beginning of this

31:27

game? Because there was really no

31:30

need for it, given the Panama,

31:32

we're going to sit in a

31:35

five four one for quite a

31:37

while. Yeah. So. Why two sixs?

31:39

Why not two aces or tens?

31:42

However you want to call them.

31:44

Um, I heard Terry on read

31:46

halftime talk about they needed to

31:49

see Christian Bolicico one v one

31:51

a little bit more and stay

31:54

white. Christian, we know, Pochitino told

31:56

us yesterday, Christian, I want to

31:58

get his. I think he said

32:01

he's just perfect number 10, right? The

32:03

way he wants to interpret that position.

32:05

So what does that do? That takes

32:07

Christian out from a lot of 1B1

32:09

situations. Although today, it was a good

32:12

terrorist on his left-hand side, was really

32:14

good. Yeah. So listen. So I know

32:16

it's a count mouse and I still

32:18

go back to, we bury one of

32:20

those opportunities. Then you have to, you

32:22

bury one in the first half, the Jeff

32:25

Sergeant one that gets deflected and all that

32:27

stuff. You bury that it's a knockout game.

32:29

What does Panama have to do? Right. At

32:31

some point they're going to open the game

32:33

on. Then you win the game. We never

32:35

did that to them. Yeah. All right, we're

32:37

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32:39

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32:41

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32:43

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Welcome back in to a very

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what you want for recap in

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the US. is unacceptable loss to

34:01

Panama, one, zero and the Concord

34:03

Capp Nations League semi-finals here at

34:05

Sofai Stadium. They are now going

34:07

to be waiting to see who they're

34:09

going to play in the third place

34:11

game. I'm Conradinio alongside Johnny Boy, Jonathan

34:13

Bernstein, and Big Tone Son of Miola.

34:15

And one thing we haven't discussed with

34:17

you in particular, Big Tone, is set

34:19

pieces. We had a lot of set

34:21

pieces. And I didn't think we were

34:23

very, very decisive, very dangerous, very threatening

34:25

on those. And listen, you've played in

34:27

some world cups, you played in 2010,

34:29

Johnny B.I., 2000, looking, set pieces are

34:31

the difference at times. In these types of

34:33

games too, or it's really tight, it's hard to break

34:35

them down at open play. Set pieces are going to

34:38

unlock them. We get one, I think, maybe we score

34:40

two or three, right? But we couldn't get that first

34:42

one. We got to clean that side of it up,

34:44

because that could be the difference of us going through

34:46

in 2026 the difference of us going through

34:48

in 2026 and that getting knocked out in

34:50

the group stages, and that getting knocked out

34:53

in the group stages, Again, unacceptable is my

34:55

fun key word today. What are your thoughts

34:57

on our stuff pieces? Well, you guys know

34:59

as well as I do. Step pieces were

35:02

always a staple for us. Yeah, of course.

35:04

They were part of the game, like that

35:06

needs to get better. We started, I still

35:08

don't know this whole play. I don't know

35:11

if you know, Timothy Way is starting off

35:13

the field, and then running on. But they

35:15

didn't use them to play them. Yeah,

35:17

I said in the broadcast, maybe we're

35:20

looking to set something up. that ball

35:22

doesn't clear the first event or that

35:24

was being set up so I don't

35:26

I feel like it's a wasted player

35:28

it is a wasted player maybe they

35:31

didn't get enough opportunities to set it

35:33

up I don't know so I really

35:35

like 15 corner kits that's more than

35:37

the other thing is for me it's

35:39

frustrating when I watch any game this

35:42

game it when that ball doesn't clear

35:44

the first offender because no matter you

35:46

can make the best runs you could

35:48

set picks you do whatever happens on

35:50

shot right in the game. So but

35:52

it and the other thing about step

35:54

pieces and I say this all time

35:56

and we know it right when you're

35:58

not playing well. A set piece can

36:00

bail you out of the game. Right. Right.

36:03

And we didn't have that today. What's interesting

36:05

when you bring up the near post thing,

36:07

Tons has teamed me up to talk about

36:10

my one goal for the US against Mexico.

36:12

But in the first half of that game,

36:14

we've seen it, Jimmy. No, I know. But

36:16

let me talk about the first half. The

36:19

first half, Landon was taking the corners and

36:21

couldn't get it over the near post. Three

36:23

kicks, stop, why. Couldn't get over the first

36:26

guy. Yeah. Can you just put one, like,

36:28

in an area where we can attack it?

36:30

I'm expected to not only go there, but I'm expected to

36:32

be the first one back, you know? What starts a counter,

36:34

I'm going to spring my ass back for 60 yards. Just

36:36

give me one that I can sink my teeth into. First

36:38

quarter of the second half, you put them in a good

36:40

spot, and I score. And that's why I'm kind of laughing

36:43

and running towards them when I'm celebrating, because he fucking listened

36:45

to me and put it in the good spot, but, but,

36:47

but, it's nothing's nothing's more frustrating. Nothing's more frustrating. Nothing's more

36:49

frustrating. And when your guy, like he's had time to rest,

36:51

put the ball down, you know, sit some coffee, smoke, a

36:53

cigarette gal time, constantly, just hit a good ball in a

36:55

good spot. I don't know, you scored one on the header

36:57

on a set piece for the US. What was your other

36:59

one? Run a player or set piece? Run a play. Yeah,

37:01

run a play. Yeah, right. Yeah, but similar set piece, but

37:04

also wasn't supposed to be in the game we were chasing.

37:06

But I agree completely what you guys are saying, right, right,

37:08

right, right? It's what you know, right, right, right, right, right?

37:10

It isn't just the first, right, right. It isn't just the

37:12

first, right. It isn't just the first, right. It isn't just

37:14

the first, right. It isn't just the first, right. It isn't

37:16

just the first, right. It isn't, right. It isn't just the

37:18

first, right. It isn't, right. It isn We were putting balls

37:20

over the service area as well. And then there was even

37:22

a free kick in the first. That's where. Put it up

37:24

for a ball kick? Yeah. Just put it up for a

37:26

kick, right? No one's even like it. Like, what was this?

37:29

A straight free kick, right? Which only goes to tell

37:31

me that no one was on the same

37:33

page. Did they work on them? And we

37:35

were saying, well, we were speaking. It was

37:37

like. Hope that's not how they drew it

37:39

up in like someone did a run to

37:41

the right? It didn't matter, John, because the

37:43

ball went out of play anyway. I know

37:45

I made the best difference in the world.

37:48

That's what I'm saying to me. But it's

37:50

just like everyone standing there looking at it.

37:52

So it wasn't really like a lot of

37:54

thinking behind the madness, right? So it's one

37:56

of those areas of the game too. When

37:58

I think about set pieces where you can.

38:00

almost every part of it,

38:02

right? And so. The fact that

38:04

those weren't as clean as I

38:06

think they should be at this

38:09

point under a Maurice Pochitino's tenure,

38:11

I'm disappointed in that as well.

38:13

And we can't use the excuse

38:16

that we don't have enough time

38:18

to work on them. If you

38:20

don't have enough time, just give

38:22

me two. Let's just simplify them.

38:25

Give me two restarts and let's

38:27

just keep pounding it. Right. Let's

38:29

just keep pounding it. You set

38:32

that thing up. But simplify it,

38:34

right? Yeah, you're right there. I think sometimes with

38:36

set pieces, especially like, you see Arsenal have all

38:38

these different types of plays, right? And they do

38:40

all these creative things to put, to like, make

38:43

picks and blocks and get that open. But sometimes,

38:45

like, we've all played this game. Sometimes, you just

38:47

need to put the ball in the box. No

38:49

one even needs to know where it's going. And

38:51

so much just goes and gets it. Like, that's

38:54

a lot of the time too. So I don't

38:56

want to. So I don't really see any excuses.

38:58

You could just say we don't have time, guys,

39:00

just get in the box, make a run in

39:02

your post, far post, mid post, and get there,

39:05

right? Right. Simple play it. Just like I'm

39:07

saying. This is going to be interesting. Who

39:09

do we want in the third place game?

39:11

Do we want Mexico or we want Canada?

39:13

I guess we have to wait to see

39:15

how they perform first. But US Canada would

39:17

be probably pretty sweet. I wouldn't mind seeing

39:19

that. Either way I quite flip. It's third

39:21

place game. I wanted to be in the

39:23

first place game. So that's kind of where

39:25

I wanted to play but if you ask

39:27

me who I would rather play in the

39:30

first place game I'd want to play Mexico

39:32

just because the rivalry. But Kenya has also

39:34

got a really good team coached by Jesse

39:36

Marshall American. So you know there's arguments for

39:38

both sides. Yeah, not fair. And in third

39:40

place just doesn't have the same. No well

39:42

this it won't. But there'll be some pride

39:44

on the line. Nobody wants to finish four,

39:46

you know, out of these four teams. You

39:48

think, right? What you think? What can wait

39:50

and see? We'll see if somebody phones are

39:52

in it or not. Back room? They can't

39:54

be happy. I mean, I know you're always

39:57

upset when you, that's not, that's not a

39:59

result to be. You can lose any

40:01

game, but we all know it. You

40:03

can lose. That's not a result, and

40:05

that's not a performance you can be

40:08

happy with. Yeah. Man, I'm in my

40:10

feelings right now. I can't wait to

40:12

go eat something to solve some of

40:14

my emotional crisis that I'm having internally.

40:17

All right, so I wanted to get

40:19

your thoughts big tones on just which

40:21

player you thought we missed the most

40:24

of the players that weren't available. Is

40:26

it easy? Anthony Robinson? Yeah. I mean,

40:28

especially given what you said, get a

40:30

left foot player on the left side,

40:32

got that we know stretches the game

40:35

a little bit, good service, he's got

40:37

so much better over the last couple

40:39

years with his service, we miss Anthony

40:41

Robinson. But I'd hate to pin the

40:43

game on one player. Let's say we

40:45

get to the World Cup and Anthony

40:47

Robbins can't play one game. Where are

40:49

we going to do? Got to figure

40:51

it out. That's what you do. That's

40:53

what you do. That's a big opportunity

40:55

for players to step up. a left

40:57

put player on the left side just

40:59

would have made things I think a

41:01

little more fluid. And by the way

41:04

I don't think Joe Scally played better.

41:06

I don't think so either. Very good.

41:08

He was solid. Yeah. We talked about

41:10

this earlier before you got here on

41:12

the broadcast. We talked about how school

41:14

he actually played well. He's one of

41:16

the players who could actually say he

41:18

was solving defensively when he needed to

41:20

serve some good falls. wasn't as dynamic

41:22

as maybe a left-footed player on that

41:24

side could have been, right? And created

41:26

the chances that the pace and rhythm

41:28

that they need, or the pace of rhythm

41:31

that he normally does on the right side,

41:33

right? Because it's just on his natural side.

41:35

So, I agree with your point. Yeah. Yeah.

41:37

With that in mind, I wonder, and because

41:39

he trusted a Jacqueline Glenn is one of

41:41

his first subs off the bench, I wonder

41:43

if he'll give Max Arston. a run who's

41:45

more of a traditional wingback with the Columbus

41:47

screw. Yes. And now instead of having like

41:49

a Joe Scowley and Tim Wei try to

41:51

occupy that left side, you can just have

41:53

arson do it that can maybe create a

41:55

numerical advantage somewhere else. Obviously we'll get this,

41:57

we'll talk more about this in our preview

41:59

show. So that'll be happening on Friday,

42:01

but tomorrow, geez, we got show after show

42:04

up and show up. Yeah, yeah. It's just

42:06

flying by over here and obviously. You guys

42:08

making me feel for Charlie on that one

42:10

too or what? I mean, you know what?

42:13

Charlie, this is a lot, Johnny B. So

42:15

yeah. I saw the air quotes about he

42:17

was. Yeah, yeah, it always got backspasms. It

42:19

gets backspasms a lot. If you're looking to

42:22

feel it in, there might be a spot

42:24

for it, twice a week. And our show

42:26

is twice a week, just in case it

42:28

ended up. Yeah, so we always might have

42:31

room for you all things considered. Let's

42:33

get into final thoughts. Johnny B, really appreciate

42:35

you hanging out with us both for the

42:37

watch along and for the show. What are

42:39

you doing these days? I catch everybody up

42:41

because I feel like you disappeared. What was

42:44

Johnny B doing? I know you were coaching

42:46

at Florida State and helping out there. And

42:48

then but you had a career, took you

42:50

all over the world. What's Jonathan Morrison doing

42:52

now? You know, after I was done playing,

42:54

so I finished in 2023. First I actually

42:56

just thought of this I want to shout

42:58

out to my daughter so they're in Mexico.

43:00

I don't know if they did or not,

43:03

but hi Julia, hi Joanna, you guys were

43:05

listening to the broadcast for this, but

43:07

anyways, so then I did go coach

43:09

the floor to state, but now I've

43:11

come back on board with the agency

43:13

who managed my career for the entirety.

43:15

Okay. So for almost 20 years I

43:17

was with Lyle York's and YEMU sports

43:19

agency, so I just came on board

43:21

as a as a as a director

43:24

of a director of identification talent and

43:26

acquisition, Yeah, you know, excited to be

43:28

this for this new chapter for myself.

43:30

And back here in LA with, you

43:32

know, family, close to the family. Shout

43:34

out to Los Alamitos. Los Alamitos, all the people

43:36

there. And so, yeah, just really excited to see

43:38

how this is all going to play out. But

43:41

thank you for having me on the show. Yeah,

43:43

of course. I mean, I think it was so

43:45

much fun to watch the game and talk about

43:47

it and call it how it is, right? Or

43:49

whatever did you call what you want? I do

43:52

call it what I want. You did, you call

43:54

it what it is. Call what it is, we've

43:56

changed a name. I love that. Big Joe, it's

43:58

final thoughts on this. A disappointing unacceptable day for

44:01

the US men's actually. Not a great day

44:03

for the US men's national team, but you

44:05

got to learn from it somehow, right? That's

44:07

the reality. Better now than in 2026. Oh

44:09

yeah, yeah, this, if we're going to get

44:11

it, if you tell me in 2026, we

44:13

got it out of our system today, I'll

44:15

be all right with it. All right. What

44:17

we're going to call it a show, that

44:19

is it. Thank you so much for hanging

44:21

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44:23

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44:31

even though this one wasn't that much fun. But

44:33

hanging out with my friends is always a good

44:36

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44:38

much for hanging out with us. And be sure

44:40

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44:42

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