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2:06

I'm Jimmy Coddin alongside Charlie

2:08

Davies and Tony Miola. I'm

2:10

using words. Tones doesn't have

2:12

any idea what the hell

2:15

I'm talking about because he's

2:17

a boomer. Welcome. Tones, great to

2:19

see you. Chuck, you knew those

2:21

words. I was using. Yeah, you've

2:23

heard those words. Of course. Yeah.

2:25

Yeah. Yeah. I'm hip. I'm cool. was just

2:28

about how we handle players that

2:30

maybe weren't performing at their

2:32

highest level. How do you send a

2:34

message to guys to let them know? And

2:36

I used West McKinney as an

2:39

example. He was one of many of

2:41

our star players that didn't perform

2:43

as well as we know they could have in

2:45

the Nations League. So what do you do as

2:47

a coach? I suggested that if you

2:50

really wanted to send a message,

2:52

this Turkey and Switzerland this week

2:54

of friendlies. That's coming up in June. Could be a

2:56

good opportunity to send that message. So they're a little

2:58

bit sharp or come in the gold cup or whatever

3:00

it may be. So we got some comments and I

3:03

want to get your answers to this and some questions

3:05

from our audience. So we're going to throw those up on

3:07

the screen and then tones on the screen. So we're going

3:09

to throw those up on the screen and then tones. I

3:11

want you to dive in on your thoughts. I want you

3:13

to throw those up on the screen and then tones. I

3:15

want you to dive on the screen and then. And then

3:17

tones. I want you to dive on the screen on the

3:19

screen on the screen. And then. And then. And then tones

3:21

I want you to dive on the screen. And then. And

3:23

then. And then. And then. I want you to dive on

3:25

the screen. Well, I mean, those would be

3:27

drastic decisions, no doubt about

3:29

it. I'm not quite sure

3:31

that you leave them home,

3:33

but after what Pochitino

3:36

and his staff saw this, and

3:38

what we all saw, but

3:40

they'll go back and digest

3:42

sort of every pass of

3:44

the ball, every moment in

3:46

the game, they'll look at

3:48

video. I wouldn't be surprised if they

3:50

bench anybody. Not just to make

3:53

a statement, just to say, okay,

3:55

we need to find better moments

3:57

in these positions. We need to

3:59

find. We need to get more

4:01

out of certain areas of the

4:03

field. And I'm not quite sure

4:05

that these two are the guys

4:07

that I would sit right off

4:09

the bat, but there's certainly some

4:11

decisions for Pochitino to make. But

4:13

if you're looking to make a

4:15

statement, like if that's time to

4:17

make a statement, but if he

4:19

wants to just, if that's solely

4:21

the mission. then you would bench

4:23

these two guys, but that's that's

4:25

not what I would do. But

4:27

you have to send a message

4:29

somewhere because, you know, I heard you

4:31

guys on, I heard you guys on

4:34

Tuesday and I was flying and I

4:36

listened to the shop. I mean, reality

4:38

is just wasn't good enough, period. Doesn't

4:40

matter how you slice it up. We

4:42

could talk about so many different aspects.

4:44

It just, it was, it was just

4:46

not good enough and it won't get.

4:49

It won't get us to where you

4:51

want to be with a national team.

4:53

And that's late rounds of the World

4:55

Cup. That was just not very good.

4:58

Guys, isn't this reminiscent of at least

5:00

the idea of it? Jurgen Klinsman leaving

5:02

Lan and Donovan off the roster

5:04

for the World Cup in 2014,

5:06

right? It just has that type

5:08

of energy and I don't agree with

5:11

leaving them at home. These are your best

5:13

players. You have to figure out a way

5:15

to get them going. That's part of being

5:17

a coach, right? It's a national team. They've

5:19

earned their way on the national team. This

5:22

isn't like guys who aren't playing at Milan

5:24

and Uvey. And then you're saying, okay, they're

5:26

super talented. They're still our best players. And

5:28

I got to figure out a way to

5:30

get them on. They're playing. And they're

5:32

playing well. You just have to figure

5:35

out what the disconnect is with

5:37

the national team. Is it tactics?

5:39

Is it the freedom at camp

5:41

or them being too restricted at

5:43

camp? Like what really diving into?

5:45

How do I get the most out of

5:47

these guys for these games and help

5:50

them understand? Okay, this is how you

5:52

guys play this way for your club

5:54

team and it's there's no

5:56

question of energy. There's no

5:58

question of commitment. but with the

6:00

national team that that's that should be

6:03

a given right there's a disconnect and

6:05

and I think okay so so they

6:07

has to figure out how to get

6:09

the most out of these guys no

6:11

no 100% that's why he's getting paid

6:14

the big bucks yes and and I

6:16

agree with both of you that that

6:18

leaving somebody at home would be pretty

6:20

drastic that to me that we don't

6:22

know exactly but that doesn't solve anything

6:25

right well it I think there's got

6:27

to be room though, like if this

6:29

guy isn't performing in the way that

6:31

I want him to perform, who's the

6:33

next man up? Right? I mean, is

6:36

there, I think there's room in the

6:38

conversation to be like, okay, well, maybe

6:40

somebody else can get a crack. I

6:42

had a conversation with somebody on the

6:44

Twitter named Bob, shout out to Bob,

6:47

he had a really good conversation back

6:49

and forth, which is not easy to

6:51

find, a nice polite discourse on social

6:53

media. But, but as I was kind

6:55

of digging into, let's kind of digging

6:58

into, Okay, suited up for us. He

7:00

has zero goals and four assists. His

7:02

last goal was actually a brace against

7:04

a bad Granada team, who we beat

7:06

7-1 in March of 2023. So, so

7:09

West doesn't score for us in two

7:11

years. The 10 games prior to that

7:13

one, zero goals, zero assists. Now listen,

7:15

I know this guy does more than

7:17

goal contributions, right? He makes, he makes

7:19

the pass to Ajimong, that the releases

7:22

him against Canada. He makes the switch

7:24

over to Tim Wei that sets up

7:26

our goal, against Canada, right. So he

7:28

does the little things that are unlocking

7:30

different parts of the game. Totally understand.

7:33

Do we, but just using his position

7:35

is somewhat of an eight that gets

7:37

box to box. Should we expect more?

7:39

It's almost less out of Weston here.

7:41

It's more just, should we expect more

7:44

out of our eight for the US

7:46

men's national team in terms of goal

7:48

contributions? Tones, where are you on that?

7:50

Because that was actually pretty surprising when

7:52

I took a deeper dive into the

7:55

production, let's say, in goals and assists

7:57

from Weston. Yeah, in general, I think

7:59

I say this all the time when

8:01

I when I think of West I

8:03

think of them as a double you

8:06

know, a double pivot, if you will,

8:08

in the middle of the field, double

8:10

six, you know, Tyler Adams and him,

8:12

only because you know he's gonna get

8:14

forward and occasionally get on the end

8:17

of things. He had an opportunity against

8:19

Panama, if you remember, the header at

8:21

the back post, which he didn't get

8:23

all of, obviously. The whole leaving off

8:25

thing, just to leave off, a guy

8:28

that you know is gonna be at

8:30

the World Cup, if he's healthy. I'm

8:32

with, you know, you know, Charlie, in

8:34

regards to. Pochitino's job is to get

8:36

the best out of them. Find out,

8:39

find out first what didn't tick in

8:41

LA in the Nations League and then

8:43

go and fix it. Right? But if

8:45

you told me like the next game,

8:47

it was Tyler Adams and let's just

8:50

say Johnny Cordoso, or Tanner Testament, or

8:52

whoever, I wouldn't be surprised. Remember, McKinney

8:54

started as a 10. I personally just

8:56

don't see him as a 10. I

8:58

don't see him as a guy that

9:01

plays in that position and is, can

9:03

he score a goal occasionally in that

9:05

position? Yeah. But what's your vision when

9:07

you look at a 10? For me,

9:09

it's a guy that could break, unlock

9:11

a defense, that could dribble at somebody,

9:14

it can make a pass, they can

9:16

clip one over the top, you know,

9:18

something creative in that. I just don't

9:20

see Weston as that, that being his

9:22

strength. Can he do it occasionally? Maybe,

9:25

yeah, but is it the game you're

9:27

looking at for him? No, I'm looking

9:29

for him to break up plays. and

9:31

do the things you just talked about,

9:33

right? Receive a ball in the midfield,

9:36

switch it to Timothy Waya, and then

9:38

you're off to the races, right? So,

9:40

I don't know, they have to figure

9:42

out, did they play him in the

9:44

right position that first game against Panama?

9:47

I thought better suited Chuck in that

9:49

second game where he sits next to

9:51

Tyler Adams, which then takes Yunus out

9:53

of the game, who hasn't been good

9:55

for the last month, not at Milan

9:58

and wasn't good with the national team

10:00

against Panama. There's a lot to get

10:02

into and obviously we had a podcast

10:04

before where we, we dove into it

10:06

a little bit more, but I just,

10:09

there's a lot to sink our teeth

10:11

into it. And Chuck ultimately, I think

10:13

if we scrape away not only the

10:15

player performance, the coach has to put

10:17

these players in their best position to

10:20

succeed and put them in a formation

10:22

that allows that to do this. And

10:24

you both know, I go back to

10:26

Bruce Arena, not the best tactician. He

10:28

knows the game, but not the best

10:31

tactician, what he was really good at.

10:33

is putting the right guys, the right

10:35

pieces of the puzzle together. Okay, I

10:37

know I'm gonna get the most out

10:39

of this group because this is how

10:42

they fit together. And now it's like,

10:44

go enjoy, play the game. You guys

10:46

know all know how to play, it's

10:48

basic, I give you instructions, but go

10:50

play. And it could be just one

10:53

piece that doesn't fit. I look at

10:55

this national team right now and I

10:57

go, we look at it, it's clear

10:59

as a right wingeringer. Not at the

11:01

international level. He's not a winger plays

11:03

right wing. What's the balance like? Christian

11:06

Pool is like he plays left But

11:08

you know when they had the most

11:10

success against Jamaica and no disrespect to

11:12

Jamaica It's Jamaica. It's not Spain or

11:14

England, but he's playing central and you

11:17

have with and he looks much better

11:19

now you play him wide, but you

11:21

play what's a McKinney there? Who's not

11:23

a ten? Who's not somebody who gets

11:25

on the ball with his back to

11:28

goal and can turn and play guys

11:30

through that? That's not his game well

11:32

What do you expect when you get

11:34

to attacking third against a low block?

11:36

We're sitting here thinking that we're going

11:39

to get something different when we call

11:41

that right when the formation came out.

11:43

So I'm 100% with Pochitino and A,

11:45

the players have to give me more.

11:47

My best players can't lose the ball

11:50

every time they touch it. My best

11:52

players can't just hit these these poor

11:54

free kicks and not even give ourselves

11:56

an opportunity. But also on the flip

11:58

side. You gotta get you gotta get

12:01

the right guys together Testman playing with

12:03

Adams. I don't know if that's the

12:05

best especially not with Western, and especially

12:07

not with Western in front of them,

12:09

right? You're getting Eunice Moose as a

12:12

right back. That's not the best place

12:14

for him. Joe Scali as a left

12:16

back. That's not the, so now when

12:18

you're starting to add it up, misplace,

12:20

misplace, misplace, it's no surprise that we

12:23

have stuttered in Nations League. Yeah. there's

12:25

a lot to get into and I

12:27

can't wait actually for the rosters to

12:29

be announced for those friendlies and who

12:31

we elect to put together because we

12:34

have to learn right we need a

12:36

we wanted a reaction after the Panama

12:38

game and we didn't get the reaction

12:40

we wanted after the Canada game so

12:42

here we go we got we wait

12:45

for another reaction so I'm very curious

12:47

to see how it all plays out

12:49

but big tones let's talk about goalkeeper

12:51

and the depth chart. Because because you

12:53

were seeing. Well, I can't hear you

12:55

Jimmy. I can't hear you. I can't

12:58

hear you. No, I'm not I'm not

13:00

using a little school slang right now.

13:02

So you can hear me. Okay. So

13:04

so we're surprised first and foremost puts

13:06

you know stuck with Matt Turner and

13:09

goal for Canada. Right. It's a good

13:11

time third place game to rotate, which

13:13

I think you said on the on

13:15

the broadcast. And and and and if

13:17

let's to say leave all that aside.

13:20

What's your depth chart right. What's your

13:22

depth chart right now. because it feels

13:24

as wide open as ever for our

13:26

goalkeeper position a year out. Yeah, so

13:28

Dez, our producer, asked me to put

13:31

a list of five names together and

13:33

I struggled. I really, really struggled. I

13:35

kept the three that were in camp

13:37

in the order that I think that

13:39

they were in and that was Matt

13:42

Turner, Zach, Steph, and Patrick Shulkey. He

13:44

didn't give a name for him. Because

13:46

I was looking at the caps and

13:48

there's like nobody with minutes and no

13:50

one that's playing, Ethan Horvett's not playing,

13:53

I put Matt Fries in there, I

13:55

don't know, I don't know that Pochitino

13:57

is gonna consider him at all, but

13:59

you know, Cochin, I still. Just for

14:01

me if you're not playing in the

14:04

first team, you, I know people are

14:06

screaming for him to come to camp.

14:08

You can't start them in a World

14:10

Cup. Gaga's injured. Matt Fries is the

14:12

one that has played the most. Ethan

14:15

Herbert doesn't play at all anymore. Like,

14:17

who do you put in this thing?

14:19

I actually was gonna put two question

14:21

marks in the end for fourth and

14:23

fifth. I felt like I needed to,

14:26

you know, the graphics people would have

14:28

been like, hey, man, we need some

14:30

names here to put in, you know,

14:32

you know, I don't, this is the

14:34

depth chart right now, it is what

14:37

it is. Who else would you put

14:39

in there? You know what's funny is

14:41

that NA has as many starts in

14:43

the primary league this season as Matt

14:45

Turner. Oh, Jimmy. No, it's not too

14:47

soon. Timmy. Timmy, Jimmy. It comes out

14:50

of trust though. What are those names,

14:52

big tones? Do you, do you trust

14:54

the most? I would have come in

14:56

here, I told you in the beginning,

14:58

the guy that's been playing the most

15:01

and playing the best was Zach Steffen

15:03

in my opinion. But Pochitino told us

15:05

when we talked to him that he

15:07

had, you used the word, he had

15:09

trust in Turner, so he was going

15:12

to play him, he built up equity,

15:14

he's got a World Cup under his

15:16

belt. Again, Kate asked me on the

15:18

broadcast at the desk on Sunday. who

15:20

I thought who I predicted playing in

15:23

the World Cup and I said Matt

15:25

Turner and she said well Matt Turner

15:27

why and I said yeah look because

15:29

I think a situation is going to

15:31

change hopefully he gets to a moment

15:34

where he's playing somewhere after this and

15:36

if he goes and plays somewhere I

15:38

still think Matt Turner is going to

15:40

be the goalkeeper period if you ask

15:42

me six months from now if he's

15:45

in a position where he's not playing

15:47

that answer my change but that's where

15:49

I am. You know, you know, I,

15:51

you know, I, I, I, this is

15:53

losing this mine right now, by the

15:56

way. He goes, Ethan Horvass has started,

15:58

five. six straight games. Okay, so we

16:00

bring him in now. Now is the

16:02

time to bring him in. Okay, so

16:04

he started five 16. He's telling me

16:07

coaching is on the bench too for

16:09

Barcelona. Big deal. I mean, I know

16:11

it's a big deal for him, but

16:13

that doesn't mean we bring him into

16:15

the national team to talk about playing

16:18

at the World Cup. Like I don't

16:20

understand. So it's hot. Yeah, no, I

16:22

don't understand that thinking man. We never

16:24

we've never been through this in our

16:26

in our lifetime as a national team.

16:29

It's the one position we haven't been

16:31

through where we got guys. We're talking

16:33

about playing seven games before World Cup

16:35

credit to Matt Turner because in 2022

16:37

in after those seven games at Arsenal,

16:40

right, he was good at the World

16:42

Cup. Don't ask me how that happens

16:44

because I think it's a rhythm position.

16:46

But now we're talking about he's on

16:48

the match day. Come on, man. We

16:50

got to stop with this. It just

16:53

drives me nuts. Match day nothing. He

16:55

may as well be the fourth official

16:57

at that point. Yes, I was. I

16:59

was true. Let's show. Okay, since Tony,

17:01

I said Horvath, he, okay, let me,

17:04

he says you said, you literally said

17:06

Horvath wasn't playing minutes. Okay, he played

17:08

five games. Who cares at this point?

17:10

He's hardly played a game the whole

17:12

year. He plays five games. So why

17:15

didn't Pochitino bring him in? Why didn't

17:17

he bring him in? Got him. Because

17:19

other guys are playing a heck of

17:21

a lot more than he is. Like

17:23

I don't get the conversation. Okay, so

17:26

let me do this for Ives. I

17:28

apologize. He's played in six straight matches,

17:30

right? The guys played six matches in

17:32

a year almost. Right he started the

17:34

beginning year he had a horrible horrible

17:37

time the first couple matches and he's

17:39

benched he says oh as many as

17:41

Turner look I don't get it six

17:43

six straight matches five of them have

17:45

been losses so we'll see how much

17:48

longer he's in between the sticks Let's

17:50

bring, who else is sitting on the

17:52

bench? Let's bring another one of those

17:54

goalkeeper's in. Let's, let's, why don't we

17:56

just do that? And, you know, like,

17:59

I don't get it, man. I just

18:01

don't understand. We, we're, we're, we're, we're,

18:03

we're doing this, we're doing this all

18:05

wrong at the moment and it's, it's,

18:07

it's, it's killing us right now to

18:10

be honest. Unbelievable. Chris says, can we

18:12

ask Tim Howard to come back? I

18:14

mean... There you go. There we go.

18:16

Why not? Big Tones, Bragg Guzzay. Let's

18:18

get Nick Romondo out of retirement as

18:21

well. Just get everybody back into it.

18:23

I was gonna actually have a conversation

18:25

on my center back depth chart. I

18:27

think we're gonna run out of time

18:29

here in this segment. So maybe I'll

18:32

just get fired up. I know where

18:34

he's going. Oh, oh, easy, easy, easy,

18:36

easy. Hey, don't spoil a surprise, Chuck.

18:38

Okay. So here's my depth chart. This

18:40

was also very difficult. And I want

18:42

to say, Big Tones, you're right. This

18:45

was not easy to do, because we're

18:47

trying to project a year out. And

18:49

so it just made me realize we're

18:51

a little thin. There he is Tony.

18:53

Here's the graphic. He made the list.

18:56

I get my glasses on. Yeah, hold

18:58

on. My eyes almost popped out of

19:00

my head. No, they didn't. You knew

19:02

it was coming. One. Tim Reem. Your

19:04

list. Number one. Listen. Listen. The reason

19:07

I have Tim Reem. Number one. He's

19:09

the defender I trust the most. He's

19:11

the defender I trust the most. He

19:13

has the experience. He's got leadership. Got

19:15

good feet. And he's got good feet.

19:18

Okay, at two and three, I have

19:20

Mark McKenzie, Chris Richards. This graphics, I

19:22

had two, three, you can, I honestly

19:24

can coin flip these guys. I know

19:26

Chris Richards plays in the Crystal Palace,

19:29

he plays in the Premier League, I

19:31

get all that, but he still hasn't

19:33

put together a complete 90 minutes for

19:35

us with the US. That makes me

19:37

nervous. Okay, Mark McKenzie, though I think

19:40

he's getting more trustworthy. There were a

19:42

couple elements in this past game against.

19:44

where I need him to be more

19:46

vocal, I need him to have more

19:48

presence, and I need him to get,

19:51

not have our lines collapse on top

19:53

of each other, where we're too deep,

19:55

also being collapsed right on top of

19:57

Matt Turner. I just feel like we

19:59

saw that way too much. The clearing

20:02

balls inside there's six. Not a fan

20:04

of that, and I think that's a

20:06

little thing that I'm paying attention to

20:08

as a centerback. Okay, so those guys,

20:10

you can coin flip either one of

20:13

those. Listen. This guy's not going to

20:15

go out and make the game for

20:17

you, but that's not why he's on

20:19

the field. He's got experience, okay? Playing

20:21

a World Cup, playing the Olympics, he's

20:24

a leader, and he's got presence, he's

20:26

going to hold people accountable. I think

20:28

those intangibles are kind of what we're

20:30

missing in some of our other players.

20:32

And yes, maybe they've got better feet,

20:34

and they can hit the big 60-yard

20:37

switch or whatever. I think he's also

20:39

good on set pieces. And yes, I

20:41

know I have a soft spot for

20:43

him, I'll raise my hand and acknowledge

20:45

that. Austin Trustee for me is fifth.

20:48

He's been better for Celtic. And I

20:50

wasn't impressed with CCV this past weekend

20:52

against Canada, he was okay. But okay

20:54

is not good enough. Were you impressed

20:56

with Tim Reem against Panama? No, I'm

20:59

not saying that I was. But when

21:01

we're looking at body, it works. He's

21:03

your number one. CCV, Canada, not good.

21:05

He's playing like, listen, I get it.

21:07

We're talking about trust and somebody that,

21:10

who do you trust the most out

21:12

of these players? Do you think, I

21:14

wanna hear who you think? You're gonna

21:16

be like, those are my two guys

21:18

going into a World Cup truck, that

21:21

you just have outright trust that they're

21:23

gonna do the job, like outright trust

21:25

that they're gonna do the job and

21:27

manage everything for us and make sure

21:29

that we're organized and holding a good

21:32

line where it should be. He's the

21:34

one I trust the most so I

21:36

have him. I know he's probably left

21:38

back on turf it for Charlotte That's

21:40

probably taking years off of his life,

21:43

but I I Who do you trust

21:45

tell me I want to I want?

21:47

Two names. Two names. Were you not

21:49

concerned with the way that he defended

21:51

in that moment against Panama when they

21:54

short? And that's Panama. And that's against

21:56

a Cecilia Waterman. That's not against an

21:58

Ambape or a Bekayosaka. I get it,

22:00

dude. I don't get how you can

22:02

go. He's number one on the list

22:05

in a year. He's the one that

22:07

I try. I know, I'm selling you.

22:09

I get that. That's why this was

22:11

really hard to do. Listen. Who I'm

22:13

asking you for two names? You haven't

22:16

given me two names. Let's leave Timorem

22:18

out of it. Who are your two

22:20

names? Who are your two names? Who

22:22

do you trust out of this group?

22:24

I am trusted You're worried about goalkeepers.

22:26

I'm worried about centerbacks Yeah, well, give

22:29

me one. I wouldn't say I trust

22:31

anyone to say they're one and two

22:33

that's the first that's a good place

22:35

to start. Now give me the two

22:37

and three I'd say Mark McKenzie's by

22:40

far the most athletic centerback we have

22:42

when he needs some athleticism. I think

22:44

he is now gonna have a full,

22:46

two full seasons under his belt in

22:48

Liga against some of the most dynamic

22:51

attacking players in Europe. So for me,

22:53

it's a no-brainer that he's there. Chris

22:55

Richards, he hasn't been consistent with the

22:57

national team, but he's playing week in

22:59

a week out in the Premier League.

23:02

That goes for something. So just like

23:04

Tim Green, where he was not up

23:06

to to the standard. when he first

23:08

came into the national team picture in

23:10

the Burr altar, but he played consistently

23:13

in the in the Premier League and

23:15

he got his way back into the

23:17

team and he was the best center

23:19

back we had. So I think that's

23:21

gonna happen for Chris Richards, at least

23:24

that's what I'm hoping for. Listen, I'm

23:26

pulling for these guys. I want, I

23:28

want these other centerbacks to push Tim

23:30

Ream out of the picture. But but

23:32

also every time they get their opportunities,

23:35

they just haven't put that performance together

23:37

on like. That's those are my guys.

23:39

How can we go for walkers? How

23:41

can you say walkers or men's on

23:43

this listen? You throw in World Cup

23:46

experience when he came in and gave

23:48

up a penalty to Gareth Bay. in

23:50

the first game of the World Cup.

23:52

Okay. Yeah, no, of course. So how

23:54

could you trust him to go? He's

23:57

on this list as number four. Because

23:59

I feel like there's there's intangibles here

24:01

in terms of first managing a mistake.

24:03

If we're gonna talk about mistakes in

24:05

World Cups, well we can have a

24:08

long list of why guys should or

24:10

shouldn't be on the team. Okay, it

24:12

didn't cost us, we got through our

24:14

group. Now let's just talk more we

24:16

should be talking about Netherlands. You know,

24:18

like what happened there and why didn't

24:21

we do a good job? Why weren't

24:23

we managing that situation? Because we're going

24:25

to have Dest and Aunt Jedi Robinson

24:27

on either side. This gets into a

24:29

whole thing. I understand where you're coming

24:32

from. We can even look at the

24:34

Olympics. We got torched by Morocco. Where

24:36

was he on those particular plays? France,

24:38

right? We got beat three zero. I

24:40

went back and looked at those highlights.

24:43

Miles Robinson was his center back partner.

24:45

There's an interesting quote too from Walker

24:47

while we're here. We're talking about the

24:49

Olympics. He said this after the Olympics.

24:51

This is Walker Zimmerman. I think to

24:54

some degree we've gotten away from, oh,

24:56

it was about players needing to show

24:58

pride. Okay, that's an important reference. I

25:00

think to some degree we've gotten away

25:02

from that and players feel like just

25:05

because where whoever you are, they can

25:07

just get called in. That stuff pissed

25:09

me off. That quote feels like something

25:11

we can put to this nation's league

25:13

team as well. You can get it

25:16

called in and then like you're not

25:18

why aren't we why aren't we running

25:20

through walls? We're playing at home I

25:22

think that's what we also we all

25:24

said that though We've I get that

25:27

but this is this is a player

25:29

that's playing with this team in the

25:31

in the in the environment Call it

25:33

at the Olympics calling players out for

25:35

not showing enough pride that's still He's

25:38

not even in this team and it's

25:40

still demonstrating itself with this particular group

25:42

of players that we saw the Nations

25:44

League This is just somebody that's going

25:46

to hold people accountable people accountable people

25:49

accountable accountable Let's just say he goes

25:51

into, Jimmy, you could, if you put

25:53

him on the list, let's just put

25:55

him on the list. Let's just say

25:57

he goes into Lachroom. Who's he holding

26:00

Christian Poolstick or Westman Kenny? They're gonna

26:02

look at him, go shut up. They're

26:04

gonna say shut up. That's, just like.

26:06

That's more of an indictment on those

26:08

guys than it is. That's a problem.

26:10

I know, but I'm just, that's the

26:13

locker you have. I'm just saying, like,

26:15

what is he going to do? We're

26:17

talking about quality and with the intangibles.

26:19

I look at Mauricio Pajitino. That's what

26:21

needs to come from, not Walker Zimmerman.

26:24

It needs to come from Mauricio Pajitino.

26:26

But Chuck, you have to agree that

26:28

on the field, we don't have that

26:30

guy. We don't have any of those

26:32

guys, right? They just don't do it.

26:35

It's not a Mark McKenzie. We're talking

26:37

about centerbacks. It's not a Mark Mc

26:39

Tyler Arms is that guy, but he

26:41

didn't do it this week. But was

26:43

he the guy this past weekend, this

26:46

past week? No, he wasn't. He wasn't,

26:48

right? And I said the same thing.

26:50

It's, but when you're talking about, if

26:52

we're just talking about centerbacks, we don't,

26:54

we don't have those guys. Even Tim

26:57

Reem, a guy. Right? And the fact,

26:59

Jimmy, that you would put, you would

27:01

put a walker on there, it's kind

27:03

of an indictment on our centerbacks in

27:05

a way, right? Because we should be

27:08

at the point where Chris Richards is

27:10

our guy, I'm with you. He has

27:12

not been good in a national team

27:14

jersey, period. He's not been great in

27:16

a national team jersey. But do I

27:19

think he's probably the guy in the

27:21

World Cup? Yeah, I would think that

27:23

it's Richards and McKenzie, but we're all

27:25

speculatingulatingating that. their trajectory is going to

27:27

be like this for the next year,

27:30

right? Like we're projecting at the World

27:32

Cup. So yeah, it's a, I'm more

27:34

worried about the center back position than

27:36

I am about the goalkeeper position. I'm

27:38

more worried that we don't have two

27:41

centerbacks that are locked down type of

27:43

guys. Of all the positions, Pochitino, this

27:45

is the one that's probably near and

27:47

dearest heart, right? I know he's got

27:49

to coach the whole team, but this

27:52

would be the position I think that

27:54

keeps him up at night, saying, I

27:56

need my pairing to be. Right, and

27:58

I need them to play as many

28:00

games together as they can possibly play.

28:02

I would, I wanted to see, sorry

28:05

Chuck, I wanted to see trustee, it's

28:07

just too bad that he, you know,

28:09

the injury had happened. and we don't

28:11

get to see him, hopefully we'll get

28:13

to see him down the road. Because

28:16

I think he would have gotten a

28:18

game if we got to the third

28:20

place game for sure. Jimmy, this is

28:22

what I'm saying in terms of somebody

28:24

who is not respected for their quality,

28:27

right, who comes in and goes, we

28:29

gotta be raw, and we gotta play

28:31

with pride and you know, all this.

28:33

For somebody to be that guy. You

28:35

have to also be playing and playing

28:38

well at that level. And someone that,

28:40

everyone goes, oh, this guy, he doesn't

28:42

lose the ball, he doesn't make these

28:44

crazy mistakes. Like, he backs it up

28:46

every day. We had those guys. Carlos

28:49

Pocanegra, Agucci Oniyaw. We, you know, guys

28:51

that you were like, oh, well, I

28:53

know I got to listen and pay

28:55

attention. Our goalkeepers, Tony, Friedel, Howard. But

28:57

you felt those guys because they made

29:00

sure you were held accountable. You couldn't

29:02

ever come into a camp and think

29:04

you were just gonna, you know, lolly

29:06

gag. That was never going to happen,

29:08

ever. So what I'm saying is you

29:11

can't have somebody who just, we know

29:13

those guys, the tri-hards, January camp guys

29:15

that come in and go, guys, we

29:17

got to fight, we got to earn

29:19

the right, dude. It's like, stop, you're,

29:22

stop it. We don't need to do

29:24

that. I love it. I love it.

29:26

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29:28

first break of call what you want.

29:30

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Welcome back at your call at what

30:36

you want. We had a very spirited

30:38

first segment. I'm sure we'll dive back

30:40

into that in future episodes, but we

30:42

got Marco Masita on. We didn't want

30:45

to have him sit in the green

30:47

room for too long. Marco, great to

30:49

see you as always. What we want

30:51

to talk to you about though is

30:53

Juventus. They just got a new manager.

30:55

They sacked Tiagamoto Mota who is famously

30:57

known at least in US men's national

30:59

team circles as the coach that put

31:01

Westin McKinney and pretty much every single

31:03

position this season this season despite goalkeeper,

31:06

despite goalkeeper. And we want to know

31:08

what the new manager ego Tudor is

31:10

going to do with our two players

31:12

in particular Tim Wei and Weston because

31:14

we need those guys playing as many

31:16

minutes as possible so they can remain

31:18

sharp for the US team. Absolutely. So

31:20

Tudor just finished his press conference just

31:22

now and it's kind of what we

31:25

expected. For Juventus, there's this lack of

31:27

attitude of spirit that's been happening for

31:29

quite some time at the team. And

31:31

it's all he spoke about was the

31:33

determination, the getting back to the basics,

31:35

the things that you were missing for

31:37

such a long time. And the good

31:39

news is that way it seems to

31:41

be more central to his project. But

31:44

the bad news is once again, it

31:46

seems like McEni's gonna have to convince

31:48

another coach. What is the expectation for

31:50

Tudor? Right, he has a contract till

31:52

the end of the year, who knows

31:54

if Phil extended. The one thing he

31:56

has is history at Juventus, right, is

31:58

a player for a little while and

32:00

he's got the coaching experience in in

32:03

Sedia. What's the expectation? because they went

32:05

from a leg gray ball to trying

32:07

to figure out motor ball, which was

32:09

supposed to be a little bit more

32:11

attractive, but never really got to that

32:13

point. So you went from winning at

32:15

all costs to something to what's it

32:17

going to look like now? Yeah, Tony,

32:19

you know better than anyone. It just

32:22

feels like you mentioned that they want

32:24

to keep blaming one person as the

32:26

problem. And that's not how it works.

32:28

So two doors contract is going to

32:30

be until the club world cup. And

32:32

then they'll see where they go from

32:34

there. June Tulli said, we'll make an

32:36

evaluation in the summer long term. So

32:38

the big decision was, do you get

32:41

it to the order just for these

32:43

last nine games and then the club

32:45

work up? Or do you go for

32:47

Roberto Manchini, who obviously he's got a

32:49

bigger profile, but he wants to stay

32:51

for another year. And I think Juventus

32:53

actually made the right decision, which is

32:55

something that we can't say about Juventus

32:57

very often in these last couple years.

33:00

Let's see what happens first. Let's on

33:02

the market. come June July and then

33:04

make the decision on who we want

33:06

to keep long term. If that's Tudor

33:08

or if that's somebody else, the big

33:10

dream is Antonio Conte for them. They

33:12

want to try to steal him from

33:14

Napoli and bring him back to the

33:16

club, which just shows you the disaster

33:19

that they're in because Antonio Conte was

33:21

begging to go to Juventus last year

33:23

and they said no we don't want

33:25

to go for a young project. We

33:27

want the shiny new toy Tiamoto and

33:29

then just a few months later they

33:31

threw, they threw it. Is this one

33:33

of those hires that is, okay, if

33:35

you get us in the chair music,

33:38

we're gonna stick with you. If you're

33:40

not, we gotta move on. And do

33:42

you think this is the right hire

33:44

given maybe the options left? I mean,

33:46

Uvey obviously weren't gonna spend a ton

33:48

for a rental, right? So where do

33:50

you see Uvey finishing this season? For

33:52

you in the bare minimum, it seems

33:54

like football. I mean, I don't think

33:57

I never had them in a scudetta

33:59

race, but I think that I would

34:01

have them comfortably third place, second place,

34:03

especially financially. Ventos would be in turmoil

34:05

if they don't get that. I don't

34:07

think we could say with certainty if

34:09

they get top four that Tudor is

34:11

going to be the man. If they

34:13

show a lot of the right things,

34:15

if he gets, you know, Duchambla, which

34:18

is going and all these things that

34:20

he's talking about and gets the most

34:22

out of players, then yeah, there could

34:24

be a conversation. I think that he

34:26

is the right man though. Absolutely. All

34:28

you have to do is look at

34:30

his track record. Latvia with Lazio when

34:32

he joined them, to the time that

34:34

the season ended, only Atalanta picked up

34:37

more points than them. And then all

34:39

of a sudden, Elis Verona finished in

34:41

ninth place and they were scoring both

34:43

for front. The front three of Bana,

34:45

Cabrari and Giostimioni, who were all in

34:47

double digit goals, none of those three

34:49

ever scored more in their entire careers

34:51

up to this point. So he understands

34:53

how to get this immediate impact. He

34:56

can charge players up, he gets the

34:58

most of them in a short period

35:00

of time. He doesn't stay at clubs

35:02

very long, but at the time that

35:04

he's there. He seems to do a

35:06

good job. All right, so Marco, let's

35:08

talk about the pragmatism of Igor Tudor,

35:10

because he's coming in to get results,

35:12

right? He's got nine games. to get

35:15

him into the top four. You got

35:17

Bologna who I think would probably drop

35:19

out. They got a tough schedule and

35:21

the plane emply in the Copa Italian.

35:23

So they're a little bit distracted. You

35:25

have Roma who's been hard charging. Claudia

35:27

Ranieri's done a great job. So they're

35:29

kind of nipping at their heels, but

35:31

I think they're kind of nipping at

35:34

their heels, but I think they have

35:36

enough because this is the only competition

35:38

they have left to focus on is

35:40

the league. And I wonder what that

35:42

means for the futures of Weston McKinney

35:44

and Tim Wei, where they fit in,

35:46

because they've put together some pretty good

35:48

numbers. They've had some important moments for

35:50

the team this season. You win in

35:53

35 matches in all competitions. Weston's got

35:55

five goals and three assists. He's created

35:57

40 chances. And right now I know

35:59

that Weston also is in country. negotiations

36:01

with the club to potentially extend. It

36:03

ends in the summer of 2026. So

36:05

he's got one more year on his deal

36:07

after this season. Yeah, how do you

36:09

think it's going to play out for our

36:12

American players for you Bay? I think

36:14

for way it'll be okay because two

36:16

doors expected to play a three four

36:18

to one formation. So Way I could

36:20

be on that right side, which he's

36:22

done incredibly for event. Even when he's

36:24

played as a right back, I think

36:26

he's spent big money on. McKay is

36:28

well McKay's had to play I mean

36:30

in every position and he seems to

36:32

do it so well and it can't

36:34

be easy for a player having to

36:36

always change. Just two weeks ago we

36:38

had the chance with CBS to speak

36:40

to Andrea Pierlow who Pierlowe and he

36:42

said to one who Pierlowe and he

36:44

said for one who had an event

36:46

and he said for me is the

36:48

one who had a eventus and he

36:50

said for me is an eight that's

36:52

a position that he should always play

36:55

but not even going to play at

36:57

this eventus. So now McKinney has to

36:59

drop back a little bit where there's

37:01

a lot of a lot of players

37:03

in that position. There's Turam, there's Locatelli

37:05

who's got confirmed as a captain. So

37:07

once again, he's in this situation of

37:09

he might be moved around a lot,

37:11

which is not something that we want

37:13

to be moved around a lot, which

37:15

is not something that we want to

37:18

hear. But if there's any situation of

37:20

he might be moved around a lot,

37:22

which is not something that we want

37:24

to make. Yeah, that

37:26

will likely keep them on the

37:28

field. There's no doubt about it.

37:30

What keeps two-door in the job

37:33

and what keeps McKinney and Timothy

37:35

Waya? You mentioned Waya probably better,

37:37

especially plays that three, four, two,

37:39

one, probably has a better opportunity.

37:41

What keeps those two guys on

37:43

the field? Well, it's hard to say. I

37:46

think that they need to fill something by

37:48

the end of the season. I mean, for

37:50

me, I would keep McKinney and Jimmy, you

37:52

say that he's renewing his contract and I

37:54

think he absolutely deserves to. I mean, it's

37:56

not hard to see that he's been the

37:58

most consistent player for this team. could play

38:00

in that again double pivot once again I

38:02

would always keep McKenny on the pitch no

38:05

matter where it is because before before just

38:07

the town or before the names or before

38:09

the price tax that you spent on the

38:11

big guys like like Louise and put minors

38:14

who they spent over a hundred million on

38:16

you've got to see who's been performing and

38:18

who's been actually implementing it and for me

38:20

that is McKenny so I keep both of

38:23

them at the club It'll be interesting to

38:25

see if he does find that spot. It

38:27

could even be on the left side with

38:30

Kambiyazo out injured against Genoa. I

38:32

wouldn't be surprised if we

38:34

saw McKinney there again. Mark, did

38:36

you get a chance to watch

38:38

the U.S. play in the Nations

38:40

League? So in seeing Waia in

38:42

McKinney, what did you make of

38:44

those performances? Even Christian, do you

38:46

think there's a disconnect with the

38:48

tactics? Because they're all playing

38:50

in Syria and playing particularly

38:53

well. with this national team, so thus far,

38:55

under Pungentino, it hasn't looked the same as

38:57

what we're seeing in Europe. So what do

38:59

you see and what can be done to

39:01

rectify this? Yeah, unfortunately. And you guys, I'm

39:03

sure you said it, you said it, you said

39:05

it on the broadcast, there's so many different

39:08

aspects of this US national team that

39:10

you can dive deeper into and understand

39:12

why they're not playing in their best

39:14

positions, even like, like, holisticic for me.

39:16

This is just my idea. And when

39:19

I look at where he's going to

39:21

play now, because even if he's trying

39:23

to solve, he's trying to play essentially,

39:25

I like him out why. I like

39:27

him when he's got the ability to

39:30

beat his man 1 v 1. So

39:32

there's definitely things, tactically, that help a

39:34

player, like Bullisick or other players, like

39:36

McKinney, in terms of where they're going to

39:38

be. It's also the players around them, I

39:40

have not stepped up to the plate. Those

39:42

guys that you spoke about have stepped up.

39:44

So it's weird to see on the national

39:46

team that doesn't translate. I thought I thought

39:48

it would actually be better for them. I

39:50

thought that that would be the moment that

39:52

they're able to express their best quality. So

39:54

whether it is practically or maybe I'm looking

39:56

too much into the tiny details of where

39:58

they are on the page. or it's some

40:00

sort of mentality issue when they go

40:02

with the national team, but it's sad

40:05

to see them because I thought that

40:07

with the great performances that they've been

40:09

putting in the city a week in

40:11

and week out, it doesn't translate at

40:13

all, it doesn't represent the best qualities.

40:15

That's not the same players. That's not

40:17

the same players that I'm watching every

40:19

single week. And I wonder, again, I'll

40:21

keep going back and pull a bit

40:24

because I really love seeing him how

40:26

wide with Milan. That's where he's where

40:28

he's going. Okay, Marco, let's

40:30

then pivot a little bit

40:32

to Milan, because we have

40:35

two Americans there in Polisic

40:37

and Eudismusa, six points behind

40:39

that fourth spot in Syria. Do

40:42

you see a run potentially happening

40:44

here for Milan to at least

40:46

be competitive to get into

40:48

that top four conversation?

40:50

I'm sorry. No, we don't. So is

40:53

heartbroken, just based on the season alone,

40:55

where you have about 15 managers in

40:57

one year. But you also have to

40:59

take into consideration, you're taking

41:01

on inter over two legs

41:04

in the Copa Italian semi-finals,

41:06

which obviously, where do you shift

41:08

your weight? Because it can, do you

41:10

wanna go just win a trophy? And

41:13

that's your best opportunity to do so

41:15

knowing you got. We've won a trophy

41:17

already, Jimmy. We've won a trophy.

41:19

Don't forget. Not anymore at least. So, so,

41:21

yeah, let's talk about this Milan team a

41:23

little bit. And obviously, if you want

41:26

to get specific on UNICEMUSA and Christian,

41:28

that'd be great too. Yeah, I think with

41:30

Milan, it's not just the six points. I mean,

41:32

the six points means that you could be in

41:34

a race, or you see five teams ahead of

41:37

them. So you need all these teams to drop

41:39

down, and that's including Uantos, that's including Bologna, who's

41:41

red hot. So for me, I feel like ever

41:43

since Milan lost to Palazzo, it was the

41:45

nail in the coffin. That was the moment,

41:48

if you wanted to fill something. Now of

41:50

course, against Napoli, if you win this match,

41:52

all of a sudden, we could throw you

41:54

back in the race. I think once I

41:56

was fighting for his life, this is nine

41:58

finals to try to get back. into that

42:00

Champions League spot. Moussa is another one

42:02

that he sort of always finds his

42:04

way into the lineup no matter who

42:06

the who the manager is. He will

42:09

find the place to be and I

42:11

think he brings a lot of qualities

42:13

that brings them the balance and it's

42:15

definitely not necessarily the fault. Moussa proctering

42:17

for me because he could do so

42:19

many great things in the same match.

42:21

He could do great things and then

42:23

it's that last final detail. There's that

42:26

last maybe decision-making. that hurts, that hurts

42:28

Moussa, right? I think that they also

42:30

have a problem of not knowing where his

42:32

best position is and going to say, I

42:34

have the problem of, do I go 433,

42:36

do I go 4231, do I go 442?

42:38

We've seen him play, even as a right

42:40

back at times. He's still a guy that

42:42

I keep in my rotation, but we need

42:44

to see that now with the changes. I

42:47

expect them to go back to a 433

42:49

formation, which gets the most out of Polisic,

42:51

and gets the most out of especially, especially

42:53

Dejanine Reinders, So in

42:55

the chat, we're seeing a lot of,

42:57

hey, Gio Reina to Inter or to

42:59

Syria, is there a place that you

43:01

could see Gio Reina fitting and maybe

43:04

one that plays like a three, four,

43:06

two, one being one of the two

43:08

or someone who's missing a 10 that

43:11

is going to take a chance on

43:13

him for next season? Bologna.

43:15

Why not Bologna? I don't think Bologna

43:17

would be a bad friend. I wanted him to

43:20

join Fiorenta Dina. Was it last year in January

43:22

when they were rumored to go? I thought Fioretiano

43:24

is a coach that likes to get the most

43:26

out of his players. He bets on guys. You

43:28

could see almost everyone gets better. Undo Bontayano as

43:31

well, which I think would help Giorana. But they're

43:33

probably not going to play in championship football again.

43:35

It would be a really outside chop. But they

43:37

could be a really outside chop. But they could

43:40

be in the Europa chop. They could be in

43:42

the Europa. at least a conference league spot. I

43:44

think it's a perfect place for very attacking football.

43:46

Not your typical Italian side likes to compete

43:48

on multiple fronts. So I think that could

43:51

be a natural place also owned by a

43:53

Canadian and maybe that can help a little

43:55

bit to push it. But during a need

43:57

to place that he's playing consistently and yeah.

44:00

people on you who might get a

44:02

couple players picked off that could be the

44:04

perfect spot. Marko how about how

44:06

about Como right the way that

44:08

they play right well under fabricas

44:10

right put the ball on the

44:12

deck and man well because he's

44:14

probably gonna be gone right out of

44:17

Como and they're not yeah or

44:19

some or inter right is also

44:21

interested in eco paws as well right so

44:23

because I just I saw the the inter

44:25

conversation and Like to go to Dortman, I

44:27

know there are, you know, Champions League and

44:30

all of that stuff, finals last year and

44:32

still going, but you're talking about a middle of

44:34

the table, Bundesliga team that you're not playing at,

44:36

to the top team and said, yeah, like I

44:38

don't see like you're gonna get minutes over there.

44:40

No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't see that.

44:43

Charlie, Cole Audrey, I really got some fears in

44:45

Como, tell them, I think it's your ring about,

44:47

I think it, it, I think it's your ring

44:49

up, I think it, I think it, or ring

44:51

up, or ring up. Yeah. I would

44:53

love Sus fabricas to be in the

44:56

ear of Giorana about just how to

44:58

get better at the game. I would

45:00

be. That's true. Fair point. Well,

45:03

Marko. Thank you so much

45:05

for your time. Well, Marko. Thank

45:07

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45:09

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Now through April 2. And

46:31

you and I spoke before this interview. We

46:33

thought we were going to have US Canada

46:35

in the final. And now we're going to

46:37

have it in the third place game. So

46:39

we're all coming in with disappointment and our

46:42

feelings. Where are you on it? Obviously we're

46:44

I'm sure the US feels the same we're

46:46

disappointed right we we really wanted to be

46:48

in the final so yeah now we play

46:50

in the third place game but I think

46:52

in a lot of ways it'll bring some

46:54

motivation you know I won't have to talk

46:56

too much about getting the guys up for

46:58

the match they'll be excited to play the

47:01

US you know I think we respect the

47:03

US a lot and know that they're a

47:05

really good team and you know we'll want

47:07

to we'll definitely want to want to go

47:09

for the win. All

47:11

right, words from our former co-host of

47:14

call, which you want Jesse Marsh ahead

47:16

of the US-Canada game. Chuck, that was

47:18

a fun interview. We got a little

47:21

snippet of that. So hopefully the full

47:23

interview will drop at some point if

47:25

it hasn't already, because we had some

47:28

good answers from Jesse. But the big

47:30

news that everybody should know is that

47:32

Alfonso Davies, who started against the US,

47:35

though there was reports that he wasn't

47:37

gonna start because of a hamstring issue,

47:39

ends up coming out 10 to 12

47:42

minutes into the game. And it got

47:44

reported yesterday that he tore his ACL

47:46

and he's going to be out for

47:49

a significant amount of time. His agent,

47:51

his agent, Nidal, Hussein, said, I'm very

47:53

disappointed. Alfonso was not 100% after the

47:56

Mexico game and it was planned that

47:58

he was not going to start against

48:00

the USA on. Saturday night, the expectation

48:03

was that he would not be in

48:05

the 11. As a captain, I feel

48:07

he was pressured to start the game

48:10

by the coach. Yikes. Any thoughts on

48:12

that, Chuck? Yikes. This is unfortunate. You

48:14

know, and when these injuries happen, it's,

48:16

you know, you're, you. are kind of

48:19

looking to point the finger, especially if

48:21

you're the agent, right, of how could

48:23

this happen? You know, we thought maybe

48:26

they would rotate. We knew Jesse wanted

48:28

to win this game. We knew the

48:30

Canadian National League wanted to win this

48:33

game. They knew how important it was.

48:35

I think for both sides, but I

48:37

think for Canada, you know, under Jesse,

48:40

still trying to establish where they are.

48:42

And, you know, because this is part

48:44

of the process of where they're trying

48:47

to go for a World Cup. Ultimately,

48:49

if there was anything wrong with a

48:51

play like Alfonso Davies, he should not

48:54

have played. If he did have a

48:56

hamstring issue, he should not have played.

48:58

There was no need to risk him

49:01

in a third place game in the

49:03

Nations League at the end of the

49:05

day. It would have been a great

49:08

opportunity to push other guys for and

49:10

give other guys a look and that's

49:12

ultimately what he did because he came

49:14

out in the 12 minutes. So you

49:17

didn't need him to beat the United

49:19

States, which makes it even that much

49:21

more unfortunate. Okay, well Canada's soccer have

49:24

put out a statement of their own

49:26

in response to what this agent is

49:28

saying for Alfonso Davies, and we're going

49:31

to throw that up on the screen.

49:33

And ultimately, it says this, we want

49:35

to express our full support for our

49:38

men's national team captain, Alfonso Davies, as

49:40

he recovers from this unfortunate injury. Canada's

49:42

soccer coaches and experienced medical staff are

49:45

true professionals. and have always prioritized player

49:47

safety and well-being, anything suggesting otherwise is

49:49

untrue. Big tones, I think, to steal

49:52

a word from Charlie Davies, this is

49:54

ultimately unfortunate, but... This is a, this

49:56

feels like it's gonna cause some issues

49:59

within the camp. And I'm curious about

50:01

your thoughts about this overall. Yeah, I'm

50:03

surprised that the agent went after, he

50:06

clearly went after Jesse right in this

50:08

thing. So prior to the game, we

50:10

were told Alfonso Davies wasn't playing. Obviously

50:12

we were calling, I was calling this

50:15

with Chris Whittingham and we were told

50:17

that he had a hamstring injury after

50:19

the Mexico game and he wasn't playing

50:22

in this game. So. We were surprised

50:24

when the lineup came out, but of

50:26

course, you know, we just thought, okay,

50:29

well, he got over, it wasn't nearly

50:31

as serious as maybe they thought it

50:33

was. And I don't know how this,

50:36

I don't know how that injury relates

50:38

to a tackle from, I think it

50:40

was Ajuman, right, on the tackle. So

50:43

I think it's kind of, again, I'm

50:45

surprised that the agent came out the

50:47

way that he did. And maybe didn't

50:50

do it. Yeah, the way, yeah, why

50:52

he didn't, why he didn't do this

50:54

internally. Luckily for Alfonso Davies, he signed

50:57

his contract by our Munich, right? Because

50:59

that would have been a stickier situation

51:01

for him, had he not now being

51:04

out for a while. So it would

51:06

have obviously taken some leverage away from

51:08

him. Injuries happen, and they happen in

51:10

international games, they happen with your club

51:13

team, this was unfortunate. Again, only a

51:15

doctor would be able to tell you

51:17

if there's anything related between the two

51:20

injuries that would have been, but just

51:22

in general, I was shocked he was

51:24

on the field. I really was. Because

51:27

I just think in third place games,

51:29

if you're playing for a final, we

51:31

look at it differently. I don't know

51:34

if that's fair to the players or

51:36

not, but we just look at it

51:38

differently. But in the third place game,

51:41

you got any kind of knock and

51:43

you're going back to your club team,

51:45

and generally you don't play. Ivis is

51:48

in a private chat saying we should

51:50

consider this. Davies was set to play

51:52

in the club World Cup with Byron

51:55

Munich, okay, which would have ruled him

51:57

out of the Gold Cup. So. So

51:59

should Jesse not want to see Davies

52:02

in a good game against the U.S.

52:04

in his last chance to see him

52:06

in an official match until the

52:08

World Cup? That's the counter. That's

52:11

beside the point if he's not

52:13

feeling good. So regardless of what

52:15

is in the summer from Ivis,

52:17

at the end of the day, you're

52:19

looking at right now, is my player fully

52:22

fit? And there's question marks

52:24

about it. Now, if I'm Alfonso

52:26

Davies, I probably want to play.

52:29

I want to play, but this is where the

52:31

agent saying they should have stepped in and

52:33

said, even though you're not 100% you know,

52:35

and you want to play, you're not going

52:37

to. But he says he was pressured. The

52:40

statements say he was pressured, which means, Charlie,

52:42

you don't want to play on Saturday, we

52:44

determine you're injured. Are you injured? And then

52:46

I come to you Saturday night or I

52:49

come to you Sunday morning and say,

52:51

Yeah, exactly Jimmy. Charlie, you sure, you

52:53

don't want to play this game? It's

52:55

the US, man. We got, we don't

52:58

want to finish fourth. Like we're trying

53:00

to climb and climb. Charlie, you sure

53:02

you don't want to play? But when

53:04

you read the statement, don't you think

53:07

that that is what you got? Alfonso

53:09

Davies can say no, right in the

53:11

end, if he wants to say no.

53:13

Sounds like he didn't say no, which

53:16

the agent doesn't really express in that

53:18

statement, but. that when you say somebody

53:20

was pressured, that means for me,

53:22

there was a conversation head. You

53:24

went from no, I'm not playing

53:26

or this person's not playing to

53:29

somehow he got the playing and

53:31

that lays the blame on Jesse

53:33

because he's the only one that

53:35

could potentially say to Alfonso

53:37

Davis, yeah, you gotta play this

53:39

game, we need you. It's either that or

53:42

it's not worth the risk. I want

53:44

you to be healthy. So, you know. I

53:47

think that's when you gotta know

53:49

yourself, your body is a player,

53:51

right? And know, okay, maybe something's

53:53

off, and I gotta put my foot

53:56

down and say, I'm not ready to

53:58

take this step and play. Yeah,

54:01

I I I find what the piece

54:03

of it I find interesting is that

54:05

From what we've heard all reports have

54:07

said that he participated in full training

54:10

on Saturday the day before the game

54:12

now you and I talked before the

54:14

show started Chuck that whatever a day

54:16

before the game is pretty light anyway

54:19

But if any of us had a

54:21

hamstring issue going into a game I

54:23

don't know if we would have participated

54:25

in full training whatever full training is

54:28

described as right i mean you're still

54:30

going you're still doing some possession you're

54:32

still doing something to get your blood

54:34

up for about ten fifteen minutes you

54:37

wouldn't even participate in that and from

54:39

what we've heard he did participate in

54:41

that so so and also yeah he's

54:44

a grown ass man if he's not

54:46

feeling it and obviously he's not feeling

54:48

it and obviously he's gonna have responsibilities

54:50

to his club that he always keeps

54:53

in mind right i've got this coming

54:55

we've got champions league coming those are

54:57

obviously very big games and he's been

54:59

doing under Vincent company I just feel

55:02

like all that would have been taken

55:04

into consideration, even from Jesse. So yeah,

55:06

this is a really, this is a

55:08

sticky situation and I wonder how they

55:11

get this resolved because I assume Alfonso

55:13

knew that his agent was going to

55:15

put this out? Or do you think

55:17

this agent kind of acted alone? That's

55:20

where I am, because if Alfonso saw

55:22

it and said, yeah, put it out,

55:24

then that's very clear that he got

55:26

pressured and he's approving that message. I

55:29

don't know, this feels like a really

55:31

emotional response to a guy who's just

55:33

pissed about what happened. Maybe Alfonso wasn't

55:35

100% and there's always a risk as

55:38

you guys said. This is not what

55:40

Jesse was expecting after beating the US.

55:42

So yeah, wow, maybe the honeymoon's over.

55:44

between him and the Canadian and the

55:47

national team. That's gonna be interesting to

55:49

see how he manages that moving forward.

55:51

Okay, some other news. The Gold Cup

55:53

field has been set. Seven teams have

55:56

secured their final births. We got Costa

55:58

Rica, Guadalupe, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Suriname, and

56:00

Trinidad. and Tobago, and the group stage

56:03

draw will be on Thursday, April 10th.

56:05

So we don't know what the groups

56:07

are just yet, but the 16 teams

56:09

have been locked in. We also have

56:12

Saudi Arabia that's gonna be joining as

56:14

guest nation. Didn't you hear whispers of

56:16

European teams joining this? Didn't you hear

56:18

like, Saudi Arabia, yeah, yeah, it's the

56:21

one that's coming in. Like the European

56:23

or South American team, like the top

56:25

teams coming in. I thought there was

56:27

a little bit of a shatter. I

56:30

hope so. I hope so. Yeah, this

56:32

is a big tournament for us though.

56:34

Obviously, we're not gonna win the Nations

56:36

League. Gold Cup, you're up next. And

56:39

the longer we can go in this

56:41

competition, obviously the more reps we can

56:43

get together as we build the harmony

56:45

that we're looking for as a team.

56:48

Okay, and then some other big news.

56:50

This one I'm really excited about. CBS

56:52

sports and US soccer strike a deal.

56:54

for US Open Cup rights for 2025

56:57

and 2026. All games from the third

56:59

round to the final will be streaming

57:01

on Paramount Plus and Select Games will

57:03

be on CBS Sports Network and the

57:06

Golasso Network. And not only that, there's

57:08

gonna be a studio show around these

57:10

games, which we're all very excited about.

57:12

So shout out to CBS Sports, Paramount

57:15

Plus, everybody behind the scenes. for making

57:17

this happen because this is an incredible

57:19

tournament that deserves more attention and love

57:21

and adoration than it gets and you

57:24

know what fun facts me in big

57:26

tones want it together in 2004. Chuck

57:28

do you have a US Open Cup

57:31

ring or where are you on that?

57:33

I am very quiet Chuck's mic is

57:35

off. I can't hear anything. You can't

57:37

hear you. Not working. Yeah, by the

57:40

way, it's really cool, man. That is

57:42

really cool, and putting some shoulder programming

57:44

around that, right, where you're going to

57:46

get some stories from different teams that

57:49

maybe you don't get to hear about

57:51

every, you know, on the weekly basis.

57:53

So that's really cool, man. And then

57:55

they've done it before. CBS did it

57:58

a couple years ago, right? Yeah, so

58:00

good on good on everyone, all our

58:02

friends here at CBS for finding

58:04

that that tournament's important enough. Yeah,

58:06

we should probably get a call what you

58:09

want on site for the final. Yes, that's

58:11

lag in the ground right now. That would

58:13

be great. We had a great time in

58:15

the Nations League obviously being together

58:17

and being able to have the

58:19

opportunity to go sit down with Jesse Marsh.

58:21

We found that out as an option. We

58:23

got over there very quickly and made that

58:25

happen. I mean just being on the ground.

58:28

makes a big difference. Also, the watch,

58:30

the watch, the watch alongs were epic. Yeah,

58:32

those were, those were, those were, those were,

58:34

uh, those were epic as well. Yeah.

58:36

Real time, raw emotion from us. Of

58:38

course, we'll be a little bit more

58:40

neutral, I would say, for an open

58:42

cup final as opposed to the heavily

58:44

biased opinions that we have with regard

58:47

to the US Men's national team. But,

58:49

uh, truth. Yeah, that was a show,

58:51

that was fun. Thanks to Mark and

58:53

Mark and Messina for coming, Mark and

58:55

Messina for coming, Mark and Messina for

58:57

coming, We should have a competition. Give

58:59

some out to our audience. We got

59:01

to get some call with what for

59:04

sure out to to our fans.

59:06

Final thoughts, Charlie Davies. Final

59:08

thoughts is, we got a

59:10

long way to go. We

59:12

got a long way to

59:14

go. I can't wait. Honestly,

59:16

I'm looking forward to USA

59:18

versus Turkey. You know, for

59:20

this for this match, the guys

59:22

have to have a proper response.

59:25

And you know, this is probably going to

59:27

set the tone for the gold cup,

59:29

which now looks like it's a must

59:31

win to kind of build the spirit

59:34

back up. So I'm excited. I think

59:36

the guys know where they faltered and

59:38

now Pochitino has his work cut out

59:40

for him as well. Yeah a lot of

59:42

lot of work to do tones final thought

59:44

Jim yeah Jim I said to you on

59:46

the the post game podcast I hope we're

59:48

looking back a year from now and saying

59:51

this was kind of a turning point right

59:53

that's that's my goal of this past week

59:55

right and I'd like to think that it's

59:57

going to get better I think we have

59:59

the players that it needs to

1:00:01

get better. But again, I'd

1:00:03

like to look back at

1:00:05

this as a moment where

1:00:08

we learned about this group.

1:00:10

They learned about themselves. Pochitino

1:00:12

learned about this group and

1:00:14

then everybody made all the

1:00:16

right adjustments. We could be

1:00:18

wrong a year from now

1:00:20

and I hope we're not

1:00:23

because I think the sport

1:00:25

really needs a successful run

1:00:27

by the US men's national

1:00:29

team. However you want to

1:00:31

slice that up, right? Like

1:00:33

whatever. round you think that

1:00:36

is okay for them to

1:00:38

get knocked out in getting

1:00:40

knocked out in the the

1:00:42

group stage is not not

1:00:44

good enough obviously so you

1:00:46

know I got my fingers

1:00:48

crossed for 12 or I

1:00:51

guess we're 14 months out

1:00:53

from the World Cup. From

1:00:55

your lips to the soccer,

1:00:57

God's ears, big tones. My

1:00:59

final thoughts, thanks for hanging

1:01:01

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