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I'm your host, Benjamin Boyce,

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and today's conversant is returning

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guest, Rudyard Lynch, who is

0:55

the host of the What

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If Alt HIST YouTube channel.

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He's also a commentator on

1:01

politics and history and anthropology,

1:03

and he's got a lot

1:05

of theory going on as

1:07

well. In this conversation, we

1:09

talk about, I guess, the

1:11

different forms of political organization

1:13

on the right, we cover

1:15

anti -Semitism. And we

1:18

get into his stunt that

1:20

he pulled over Christmas

1:22

break or the Christmas holidays

1:24

of 2024, 2025, where he

1:26

went on a like nine

1:28

hour rant about how he

1:30

was the recipient of the

1:33

of prophecy from Wotan

1:35

or Odin. And he appeared

1:37

to be very crazy

1:39

and was roundly mocked online

1:41

for that, and we get into why

1:43

he did that and what his reasoning

1:45

was for that and how he actually

1:47

isn't a prophet from Wotun, at least

1:49

so far as we know. He's a

1:51

great guy. You can find links to

1:53

his work down there in the description,

1:55

as well as links to support this

1:57

channel. Without further ado, here is Rudyard

2:00

Lynch. Rudyard,

2:02

how you doing, man? Doing well. How

2:04

about you? I'm good. I'm good.

2:06

I'm really happy to see you again.

2:10

Thanks. How's life? Doing

2:13

well. Where

2:15

was I lately?

2:17

I just got back from New

2:19

Orleans and I spent some time

2:21

in Mexico. Been working

2:23

on various different videos. So

2:25

I'm about to release

2:27

a two -part Jewish civilization

2:29

video next week. You

2:32

referenced that in your

2:34

Churchill video that you

2:36

got sidetracked from that.

2:38

Yeah. because I have

2:41

a backlog of civilization videos that

2:43

I've wanted to make. They don't

2:45

perform as well as the others,

2:47

but they're my favorites to make.

2:49

And so two part Jewish civilization,

2:51

I've been doing the research for

2:53

that for over a year. But

2:55

it's one of those things where

2:57

it's easy to dawdle and you just have

2:59

to put pedal to metal. And then

3:02

I'm making Egypt and Mesoamerica. Oh,

3:04

it's the famous. Crypto

3:08

mug, Cthulhu mug. Exactly,

3:11

yeah. Oh

3:13

Can I can I ask you

3:15

a heavy -hitting question to start out controversial? Go

3:18

ahead So there's this

3:20

phenomena that's described as

3:23

anti -Semitism that is kind

3:25

of bandied about quite

3:27

frequently and there's also like the

3:29

word is bandied about quite

3:31

frequently But then also the phenomena

3:33

rises up in European Ethnic

3:38

Bowers or like white

3:41

people can tend

3:43

to be skeptical or

3:45

even conspiratorial around

3:47

Jews. What's

3:49

your take on that phenomena?

3:51

Is it like the stain on

3:53

Western civilization? Is it a

3:55

kind of immune response to something?

3:58

Studying their civilization and then

4:00

thinking about it in modern terms.

4:03

What's your take on that? Things

4:05

are what they are. So

4:07

first you have to examine the

4:10

underlying phenomena, and then you

4:12

have to look at people's reactions

4:14

to it. So at its

4:16

core, antisemitism is what it

4:18

is. And then afterwards you can

4:20

project your mental views out of it.

4:23

And human history is more brutal

4:25

than people want to give it

4:27

credit for. And any given group,

4:29

if it has a border with

4:32

another given group, it'll probably do

4:34

bad things to it. And this

4:36

is one of the things the

4:38

left doesn't get, where they'll isolate

4:40

white people's relationship with black people, they'll

4:43

isolate European's relationship

4:45

with Jews. But if

4:48

you look at the French and the Germans and

4:50

the English and the Spanish, these people

4:52

have been horrifying things to each other. So

4:54

I want to put that as a

4:56

baseline where the Jews

4:58

have faced a litany of

5:00

suffering but and that for

5:02

them disproportionately but in the

5:04

in the old world especially

5:06

every group that borders every

5:08

other group hates each other

5:10

and The thing is that

5:12

so many world populations have

5:14

been implicit in anti -semitism that

5:16

if you want to write

5:18

it that I don't think

5:20

it's good, but if you

5:22

want to write off every

5:24

population that's been involved in

5:26

it, you're going to write

5:28

off a lot of the

5:30

human race. Well,

5:32

why do you think that

5:34

is? Is because something in

5:37

Jewishness adapted it to be

5:39

inside of civilizations. So it's

5:41

always bordering another civilization because

5:43

it's always in other civilizations. Is

5:45

that what you think? So

5:47

I talk about this in the

5:49

Jewish civilization video. The short answer

5:52

is that societies had every incentive

5:54

to be anti -Semitic and very

5:56

few not to, where

5:58

the Jews,

6:00

small minority,

6:02

wealthy, different

6:04

religion, very explicitly designed themselves

6:06

to be an outgroup. They're

6:10

a cosmopolitan group, which means

6:13

you can you can project

6:15

whatever conspiracies you want onto

6:17

them. And so as an

6:19

example of this, you look

6:21

at medieval Europe where in

6:23

the 14th century, almost every

6:25

major European government in Western

6:27

Europe evicted the Jews. And

6:30

the reasoning for that was that

6:32

they imported the Jews. when

6:34

Western Europe was developing, when

6:36

they needed the skills the

6:38

Jews had, and then over

6:41

the high medieval period, the

6:43

West Europeans, once

6:45

they learned the skills that they brought in

6:47

the Jews to, they kicked the Jews

6:49

out, because the monarchies, they could seize the

6:51

Jews' property. They could look

6:54

good to their anti -Semitic populations

6:56

Their own people could do the

6:58

things the Jews could did beforehand

7:00

so they didn't need to trust

7:02

trust an alien outgroup and then

7:04

in most cases it was local

7:06

nobilities or priests who were signaling

7:08

Who were trying to increase their

7:10

status at the expense of the

7:13

Jews and so what you're looking

7:15

at is about half a dozen

7:17

reasons to discriminate against the Jews

7:19

where I think That Western

7:21

European example is symbolic of

7:23

most anti -Semitism over history

7:25

where if you look at

7:28

because for the the video

7:30

I'm gonna really soon I

7:32

pick ten different Jewish diasporas

7:34

and give examples and that's

7:36

the consistent pattern I find

7:38

where regimes have every have

7:41

had loads of incentives to

7:43

discriminate against the Jews and

7:45

Very few not to do

7:47

you think it's not

7:49

just either possible

7:52

or impossible or beneficial

7:54

for society to

7:56

lean into more acceptance,

7:59

to try to buck

8:01

the trend of

8:04

discrimination. Even if it's

8:06

not quite possible, like the,

8:09

is it not a noble

8:11

pursuit in the liberal

8:13

experiment to attempt to look

8:15

past differences? Yes.

8:20

because whatever you do to

8:22

others you will become

8:25

and so My

8:27

attitude here is that when

8:29

you look at societies that

8:31

explicitly build their themselves around

8:33

discrimination, is that that gradually

8:35

consumes the entire society's soul. Where

8:37

you look at Spain, which is one

8:40

of the examples I gave, where

8:42

in the Roman and medieval periods, Spain

8:44

was one of the wealthiest places

8:46

in the world, and then in the

8:48

process of unifying the Spanish monarchy

8:50

at the expense of regional cultures and

8:52

the Muslims and the Jews and

8:54

the Basques and whatever, is

8:57

that the Spanish de -commercialized their economy.

8:59

They got rid of

9:01

literary, they got

9:03

rid of intellectual freedom. And so

9:06

at the expense of unification, the

9:08

Spaniards lost their soul in

9:10

ability to innovate. So they didn't

9:12

have the scientific revolution. They

9:15

never had the enlightenment. They never

9:17

had the industrial revolution. And

9:19

so when you're looking at

9:21

the state apparatus to oppress

9:23

blank group is that that

9:26

apparatus will almost always be

9:28

turned on the majority population

9:30

at some point. And so

9:32

this is why I don't

9:34

believe in state sanctioned discrimination

9:37

or stuff like that because

9:39

when you have a closed

9:41

society the closed society will

9:43

always circle back to hurt

9:45

the people in said closed

9:48

society. People create, you're aware

9:50

of the term open and

9:52

closed society. One should

9:54

explain it for anybody listening. So

9:56

this is a term that the George

9:58

Soros types like a lot. And

10:00

I know by saying that I'm going

10:02

to alienate a lot of the

10:04

audience, but I think that it's still

10:07

a useful term where an open

10:09

society is America as example. You have

10:11

religious freedom, political freedom, freedom of

10:13

speech, freedom. play

10:15

anti -cultural society and then

10:18

Maoist China is peak closed

10:20

society the state takes over

10:22

every single sub component of

10:24

your life between religion between

10:26

family between the culture between

10:28

the economy and so people

10:30

form closed societies out of

10:32

a sense of security but

10:35

then in each case once

10:37

you have a closed society

10:39

it's going to come back

10:41

around and destroy

10:43

said society because when

10:45

you cut yourself off from

10:48

the world, it's not

10:50

a winning strategy in the

10:52

long term. And

10:54

so when a society

10:56

creates this apparatus of

10:58

discrimination, they're effectively getting

11:00

themselves stuck, if that

11:02

makes sense. What about

11:05

trends in the right, the

11:07

e -right, the dissident right, the

11:09

reactionary right towards discrimination? criticize

11:12

the left quite a lot. So,

11:15

Ergo, you probably identify

11:17

as being on the right,

11:20

but you're kind of

11:22

floating these liberal points of

11:24

view about open society,

11:26

closed society, and the right

11:29

tendency is to close

11:31

around some sort of ethno

11:33

-cultural religious solidarity or uniformity.

11:37

The differences inside the right

11:39

are as great as the

11:41

differences between the right and

11:43

the left And I I've

11:46

said before that I split

11:48

the right into four factions

11:50

classical liberals a check all

11:52

British conservatives or fascists who

11:54

I call German conservatives messianic

11:56

religious fundamentalists who I call

11:58

Arab conservatives and monarchical Lausian

12:01

regime conservatives who I call

12:03

Who I call Peruvian

12:06

conservatives and so I'm part of

12:09

the British conservative group and It's hard

12:11

to fit the world into axiomatic

12:13

positions and when you do you normally

12:15

end up in madness So I

12:17

don't stand for openness and fluidity and

12:19

literally everything because that's just not

12:21

gonna work And in every single case

12:23

when you try to push for

12:25

openness and fluidity in all things You're

12:28

actually gonna end up in a

12:30

pretty restrictive system which is what the

12:32

lefts did And

12:35

so... Is it

12:37

part of the process

12:39

of strengthening the

12:41

right to have open

12:43

dialogue between these

12:45

four groups, the monarchists,

12:47

the Christian nationalists,

12:49

the fascists and the

12:51

classical liberals? If

12:55

they can get along, if

12:57

those differences can be articulated

12:59

in some sort of discourse,

13:01

then it could spark creativity,

13:04

some sort of competitive processing,

13:07

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of those four groups, the

14:13

least trustworthy is the fascists. You

14:15

can't give carrots to the

14:17

fascists and expect them to cooperate

14:19

long term. I

14:22

am more sympathetic to

14:24

monarchism and religious fundamentalism because

14:26

they both have more

14:28

boundaries about what is correct

14:30

and incorrect conduct. I

14:36

am a classical liberal, and the

14:38

thing with the classical liberal governance

14:40

is that you can have other

14:42

political views in a classical liberal

14:44

society, but that's not true in

14:46

other systems. And so if you

14:48

support an open society, you

14:51

have to be against

14:53

people who are against

14:55

open societies. And

14:57

this is one of the things, the quandaries

14:59

the left got stuck in, that They

15:05

went so far into

15:07

openness that they circled

15:09

back to being complete

15:11

neo -Marxist doctrinaires. And

15:13

you have to draw

15:15

the line somewhere. And

15:18

so I'm willing to

15:20

have enough of the other

15:22

groups to further dialogue

15:25

and to further mental creativity. But

15:27

once they get to a threshold

15:29

where they're destroying the entire system

15:31

is that you're gonna see a

15:33

collapse of the frame and with

15:35

that you'll see the rise of

15:37

a single ideology that's gonna dominate

15:39

all the others. You think that's

15:41

possible in America, modern American, contemporary

15:43

America for fascists to take over?

15:47

Not fascists. I could see

15:49

us becoming a military dictatorship

15:51

though because I

15:53

think fascism is fundamentally against

15:55

the American character. And

15:57

so, because when people

16:00

say fascist, they're failing to

16:02

realize that fascism is a heavily

16:04

nationalistic movement, which is predicated

16:06

upon the individual context of whatever

16:08

country it's in. Germany,

16:12

Italy, Japan, their own nationalisms

16:14

are very distinct from other

16:16

nationalisms, which is that that

16:18

makes sense. And the communists

16:20

are the weird ones out

16:22

for communism around the world

16:24

manifests relatively similarly. But

16:26

I don't think America can

16:28

be fascist per se because

16:30

we were founded off such

16:33

libertarian principles that we don't

16:35

really have that grounding in

16:37

our society. And the What

16:40

I would see is a

16:42

military dictatorship like Augustus and the

16:44

Roman Republic where the Romans

16:46

were a comparable people where they

16:48

didn't have a cultural history

16:50

of authoritarianism either then what happened

16:52

is that Augustus made a

16:54

de facto military dictatorship while he

16:56

maintained the trappings of the

16:58

Republic and I could definitely see

17:00

that in America Imminently you

17:02

think I mean of course Trump's

17:04

trumped up as a fascist

17:06

leader, but I mean,

17:09

do you see the steps

17:11

forming on the right in a

17:13

politically possible manner? Next

17:15

generation. I could definitely see it

17:17

within the next century at most, within

17:19

the next generation at least. That

17:22

would require a certain

17:24

amount of, I guess,

17:27

discipline on behalf of the

17:29

youth, and they're kind of

17:31

drugged out and through social

17:33

media and, you know, all

17:35

the Soma. Yeah,

17:37

do you think people are buckling that

17:39

trend your generation? People

17:42

if you push a trend

17:44

to its ultimate culmination you're

17:46

gonna get the opposite and

17:48

I think that we've pushed

17:50

sedation so much that you're

17:52

gonna see this vociferous like

17:54

bubbling up that Is going

17:56

to completely change the dynamic

17:58

because I mean also The

18:00

soma is not that effective

18:02

that's the joke where Like,

18:05

I go on YouTube and there's not

18:07

much to watch on YouTube. I

18:10

have, because I frequently think to myself,

18:12

what do normies

18:15

do? Because

18:17

normies, they're

18:19

failing economically. A

18:22

lot of them don't have romantic relationships. They

18:24

don't have any grounding in the world. Their

18:26

family or friend groups

18:28

aren't strong. And

18:31

so you're looking at the average

18:33

person's life and you're thinking, What do

18:35

they spend their time doing? And

18:37

the shortest answer is social media and

18:39

work. Americans work significantly more hours

18:41

than they did decades ago, and they

18:43

also consume more social media. The

18:45

problem is that the social media is

18:47

not interesting enough to consume their

18:49

entire lives. So my best

18:51

guess is that we're going to

18:53

see a rapid social and political change

18:55

where we go from a very

18:57

low pressure space to a very high

18:59

pressure space. overnight. And

19:02

what happens with historic

19:04

changes is they're almost

19:06

entirely pushed either by

19:08

small groups of invested

19:10

players or their random

19:12

black swan events. Do

19:14

you think classical liberalism could

19:17

be the crystallization of such

19:19

a movement? I

19:22

don't think classical liberalism will survive as

19:24

an ideology in the next century. It's

19:27

dependent on too many

19:30

Too many variables we don't

19:33

have now. I'm

19:35

still a classical liberal,

19:37

but I think

19:39

we have to gradually

19:41

mutate into something

19:43

new because classical liberalism

19:45

is predicated upon

19:47

a literate population, property

19:49

ownership, and a society

19:51

run by the merchant class. And

19:53

as those variables gradually get

19:56

weaker, We

19:58

are going to... I

20:01

think that the entire modernist

20:03

ideological prism is going

20:05

to crash in the next

20:07

century. I don't

20:09

think we can hold

20:11

the trinity of fascism,

20:13

liberalism, communism under the

20:15

technological project. I

20:18

think we can't maintain that over the

20:20

next century because the issues we're facing

20:22

this century are not the issues where

20:24

we face in the 21st century, in

20:26

the 20th century. In fact, they're the

20:28

opposite. Okay. So

20:30

if classical liberalism needs

20:32

to change, fascism can't

20:34

scale, at least in

20:36

America. Christian nationalism

20:39

keeps on being mentioned or

20:41

at least coming up

20:43

as a boogeyman. That might

20:45

be... Vector of

20:47

organization on a social social level

20:49

with all the evangelicalism and even

20:51

the older churches I think church

20:53

attendance is really quickly upticking at

20:55

least with Greek Orthodox or the

20:57

Orthodox communities and Catholic communities. Yeah,

20:59

too So that could be a

21:02

vector and then the other one

21:04

would be the monarchists. I don't

21:06

know how they would get a

21:08

foothold Other than shitposting on the

21:10

internet. I think it's gonna be a

21:12

cult of personality because

21:14

the problem is that

21:17

we're not actually a

21:19

Christian society where if

21:21

you pull the population

21:23

on having genuine religious

21:25

views, lots of people

21:27

are like vaguely socially

21:29

religious, but they're

21:32

not legitimately... How do

21:34

I articulate this? This

21:36

is a very important

21:38

point where... If

21:40

you want to intellectually understand

21:42

the world, there's no

21:44

philosophic understanding where if

21:47

you're an educated person, you

21:50

can have a rationally comprehensive

21:52

understanding of your worldview through

21:54

the prism of religion and

21:56

idealism. And because our entire

21:58

intellectual frame is materialist. And

22:00

until we break out of

22:02

a materialist frame, it's going

22:04

to be hard for the

22:06

Christians to be able to

22:08

establish basically

22:10

an elite power movement. Because

22:14

in order to hold the

22:16

vectors of power like that,

22:18

you have to appeal to

22:20

educated people. And

22:22

I hope that we have a shift

22:25

like that in the next century. I

22:27

think we will, but it'll probably be

22:29

in a weird way we don't think. I

22:33

go for cults of personality because

22:35

I look at the fall of the

22:37

Roman Republic, which is one of

22:39

the biggest parallels I compare the modern

22:42

world to, and what happened was

22:44

that the two -party Roman system fell

22:46

apart, the Optimates and the Populares, and

22:49

it was replaced by

22:51

Crassus, by Julius Caesar, by...

22:54

by...

22:58

Octavian by Pompey by these cults

23:00

of personality and that's consistently

23:02

what I see happening today where

23:04

Trump is a cult of

23:06

personality Andrew Tate is a cult

23:08

of personality And I think

23:11

that's just the start of of

23:13

a trajectory Hmm. Do you

23:15

think that it's possible for the

23:17

left to have a cult

23:19

of personality at this point in

23:21

time? They were talking about

23:23

when they failed the last election

23:25

that they need a left -wing

23:27

Joe Rogan, whatever that means

23:29

because I think Joe's rather kind

23:31

of the least very liberal

23:34

in his social way of thinking

23:36

and libertarian probably in his

23:38

economic way of thinking because he

23:40

benefits so much from his

23:42

business but it do you is

23:44

it could you like alt

23:46

history some sort of leftish personality

23:48

is that possible right now

23:50

are they just too desolate and

23:52

on the verge of being

23:54

defunct at this point They're

23:57

completely consumed by envy. And

24:00

that wouldn't track with the cult

24:02

of personality and envy is cult

24:04

of personality. So

24:06

I was just reading Carlisle a few

24:08

weeks ago and cults of personality

24:10

are basically built off what Carlisle, who

24:13

is a big Victorian thinker, calls

24:15

hero worship. It's the assumption that the

24:17

person you're following is superior to

24:19

you. And the left's beliefs of equality

24:21

can't do that. And every single

24:23

time the left tries to promote leadership,

24:26

they cut themselves down over the

24:28

stupidest stuff. And

24:30

when I look at

24:32

this, you find that there's

24:34

very few younger left -wing

24:36

politicians, because any left -wing politician

24:38

who tries to establish a

24:40

following in the internet -based

24:42

world, too much stuff is

24:45

online so they can't do

24:47

it. It's why they

24:49

were putting Joe Biden and

24:51

Nancy Pelosi and... all

24:53

these boomers in positions of

24:55

power, because I think it's

24:57

impossible to build a genuine

24:59

following in the left unless

25:02

you've hit like four things

25:04

in their oppression bingo. The

25:06

reason Kamala's made it so far is she

25:08

hits enough oppression bingos. And

25:10

when you look at the

25:12

left, they've descended into this

25:14

sort of hive mind where

25:16

I... I saw someone once

25:18

say, I once commented, Destiny

25:21

is the most important leftist

25:23

streamer. And someone said, wait,

25:25

how can that possibly be

25:27

true? Like, it's remarkable to

25:29

think that Destiny is the

25:31

biggest voice of this faction.

25:34

And the comment beneath that was because

25:36

he was the last guy who

25:38

made it this far. And I think

25:40

the recent drama with Ethan Klein

25:42

and iDubbbz is a great example of

25:44

this, where Ethan

25:47

put a lot of effort into being

25:49

a leftist. And this was the thing I

25:51

predicted would happen a few years ago,

25:53

that after all of this effort in trying

25:55

to appease the left, the left finally

25:57

turned on him. Yeah, I

25:59

think Jordan Peterson said that when

26:01

Ethan sacrificed Jordan Peterson's friendship

26:04

for Clout with the left. That

26:06

brings up a really good

26:08

question. So when we go back

26:11

to analyzing those four groups,

26:13

broadly speaking, on the right, classical

26:16

liberals, fascists, Christian

26:18

nationalists, I'm just gonna say you said something about

26:20

Arab, but Christian

26:22

nationalists basically, and then the

26:24

monarchists. Hierarchy is concentrated

26:27

in three of four of those.

26:29

Classical liberals from my perspective and

26:31

my experience have a really difficult

26:33

time with authority. They always end

26:35

up having to appeal to expertise,

26:37

and that gets them mucked up

26:39

because the experts consistently turn out

26:41

to be driven not by expertise

26:44

but by power. Classical

26:46

liberals have a blind spot with

26:48

regard to human nature and because

26:50

they're anti -authoritarian, it's

26:52

kind of like the left. They

26:54

get so much clout and then

26:56

eventually their own ideology pulls them

26:58

down because they're not perfect. I'm

27:01

wondering, is part of reinvigorating, redesigning

27:03

classical liberalism is to make peace

27:05

with hierarchy, with human nature and

27:07

then what would that look like?

27:11

So... You brought

27:13

up a really interesting point,

27:15

which is one of the the

27:17

mental threads I've wanted to

27:19

pull on and people rarely talk

27:21

about where Classical liberalism of

27:23

the three industrial idea of the

27:25

three modernist ideologies is the

27:27

only pre -industrial one Fascism and

27:29

Marxism are both post -industrial or

27:32

they form in the industrial age,

27:34

but classical liberalism stems back

27:36

to the 17th century and It

27:40

has a lot

27:42

of pre -industrial assumptions

27:44

that as the society

27:46

changed you saw

27:48

the gradual theses ship

27:50

where in pre -industrial

27:52

political philosophy there

27:54

was this assumption that

27:56

there is the

27:58

organic society And that's

28:01

independent from our concept

28:03

that the state is the

28:05

mediator of society. But

28:07

in the pre -industrial concept,

28:09

there is the society and

28:11

then the society forms

28:13

natural elites. And this was

28:15

the world of the

28:18

founding fathers and like the

28:20

people in 18th century

28:22

Britain had where classical liberalism

28:24

is predicated upon this

28:26

these basically aristocratic assumptions from

28:28

the pre -industrial world where

28:30

there's this idea I

28:32

apologize for the background noise,

28:34

but there's this idea

28:37

that you see these effectively

28:39

leadership class people arise

28:41

organically from the population, and

28:43

then you give them

28:45

authority. And in most pre

28:47

-industrial societies, that was the

28:49

nobility. And in America,

28:51

you would see people who

28:53

you saw more social

28:56

mobility, but it's

28:58

predicated upon this underlying

29:00

assumption of a functioning

29:02

society and of this

29:04

aristocratic social structure that

29:06

we no longer have

29:08

and the aristocratic side

29:10

of it went unstated

29:12

and then over time

29:14

as society changed you

29:16

saw the switch from basically

29:20

old -school liberalism to modern liberalism.

29:22

And old -school liberalism is practically nothing

29:24

in common with old -school liberalism.

29:26

And with new liberalism, Paul Gottfried

29:28

has a great book on that

29:30

about how the liberalism of the

29:32

19th century is almost diametrically opposed

29:34

to people who call themselves liberals

29:36

today. Mm -hmm and that switch was

29:38

so gradual every Carl Carl Benjamin

29:40

wrote an article I had him

29:42

and James Lindsay debate it kind

29:44

of they actually agreed on a

29:46

lot of the liberal Assumptions and

29:48

Carl just went through all the

29:50

liberal assumptions and saw and said

29:52

that they are all false Which

29:54

I don't know if they're false

29:56

or not, but that was just

29:58

how they Formulated liberalism originally, but

30:00

I think any every one of

30:02

those assumptions the state of nature

30:06

all these all these assumptions and

30:08

classical liberalisms were swapped out

30:10

with these kind of taught almost

30:12

thought terminating cliches about liberty

30:14

and democracy and that everybody has

30:16

you know the content of

30:18

the character not the color of

30:20

their skin kind of these

30:22

little ideological planks reformed classical liberalism

30:24

into something other than classical

30:26

liberalism. So where is it now?

30:29

Can we look at some of those

30:31

assumptions? And if you were to

30:33

design or redesign classical liberalism into neoliberalism,

30:35

which is already taken, but I

30:37

hope you get my drift, what

30:40

assumptions would you

30:42

base this ideology

30:45

that's not fascist,

30:47

not Christian nationalist,

30:49

not leftist and not monarchist,

30:51

but somehow an articulation. The

30:55

predominant idea I like to

30:57

base things around is life affirmation,

30:59

where if you look at our

31:01

current society, we are

31:03

a very anti -life and

31:05

we're very nihilistic. Nihilism

31:08

is the underlying foundation of everything

31:10

we believe. Really? Yeah,

31:12

there's a great book by, are

31:15

you Orthodox? No,

31:17

my daughter just, stepdaughter just got

31:19

baptized though this weekend, so she

31:21

is. There's a great

31:23

Orthodox theologian called Seraphim Rose, who

31:25

wrote a book called Nihilism,

31:27

and it's about, goes through

31:29

philosophy, science, every element of

31:31

the culture, and it goes through

31:33

how all of life today

31:35

is predicated upon nihilism, where if

31:37

you push any logical chain

31:40

we have now it's going to

31:42

ultimately lead back to nihilism

31:44

and I could go through a

31:46

bunch of different arguments with

31:48

the short answer is that our

31:50

ruling class is trying to

31:52

commit civilizational suicide and people don't

31:54

see an issue with that

31:56

by and large if you've hit

31:58

that threshold it means nihilism

32:00

is so polluted your culture that

32:02

you've lost the ability to

32:05

find directions to find where the

32:07

earth is and If

32:09

you look at most of

32:11

leftist ideology and I want

32:13

to make I have a

32:15

term called stupid leftism or

32:17

stupid Marxism and stupid Marxism

32:19

is the dominant ideology of

32:21

our society because it has

32:23

to combine corporate greed with

32:25

Equality and Marxism so stupid

32:27

Marxism is I am going

32:29

to sell Starbucks with a

32:31

Che Guevara image. Yeah, or

32:33

we're going to bomb Yemen

32:35

while having a gay pride

32:37

flag on the drone. And

32:39

it's the dominant ideology of

32:41

our society. And I want

32:43

to make a video on

32:45

stupid Marxism because its reach

32:47

is so great and that

32:49

no one talks about it.

32:51

It's not genuinely a Marxist

32:53

movement. It is Marxist,

32:55

but it's also morphed and

32:57

incomprehensible from Marxism. But

33:00

this tangent aside, the

33:02

underlying assumption of stupid, of

33:04

stupid Marxism is that good things

33:06

are bad because I look

33:08

at pretty privilege. Pretty privilege makes

33:10

no sense unless you just

33:12

dislike nice things where if someone's

33:14

attractive, it's just a net

33:17

positive to the world. In the

33:19

same way if someone's smart,

33:21

it's a net positive to the

33:23

world. And the same way

33:25

if someone's a really gifted artist,

33:27

it's a net positive. And

33:29

so they attack They

33:31

attack the wealthy, the

33:33

attractive, the smart, the

33:35

successful, white men,

33:37

science, if it works, the

33:40

left dislikes it. And

33:42

it's founded upon these assumptions

33:44

of envy and nihilism.

33:46

And so I think we

33:48

need to establish the

33:50

life -affirming excellence axis, which

33:52

is moral principles built around

33:54

attaining higher levels of

33:56

complexity. and higher levels of

33:58

advancement and that needs

34:00

to be balanced with a

34:02

Christian morality of humility

34:04

and goodness and that stuff

34:06

because as of now

34:08

you're ending up in a

34:10

situation where Christians

34:13

have been able to be psychologically

34:15

manipulated by the left into thinking

34:17

Christian morality is closer to leftist

34:19

morality than it really is. Because

34:21

the Bible uses lots of vaguely

34:23

leftist language, like saying we're

34:25

all equal before God, or saying that the

34:27

meek shall inherit the earth, or for

34:30

a rich man to get in heaven is

34:32

like a camel going through the eye

34:34

of a needle, and...

34:36

and...

34:39

let's say if you want to

34:41

create a balance Marxism's here

34:43

Christianity's here, and then you

34:45

need like Something like life affirming

34:47

or excellence to counterbalance it

34:50

to pull the Overton window where

34:52

I think the West is

34:54

fundamentally Christian and if you

34:56

removed Christianity from the West you

34:58

would kill it. Um, yeah,

35:01

but at the same

35:03

time our society doesn't

35:05

have any appeal to

35:08

excellence or greatness or anything

35:10

like that, which was indirect

35:13

opposition to the West's history.

35:15

If you look at the

35:17

West's actions, and this is

35:19

something Spengler touches on, the West

35:21

always does the ballsiest thing. If

35:23

other civilizations analyzed us, they'd

35:25

be like, you guys are fucking

35:27

nuts. You launched the

35:29

Industrial Revolution. You killed your

35:32

own society. You took over the world. You...

35:37

You you you you you broke

35:39

the nature of reality itself in

35:41

so many other ways and it's

35:43

funny how Hyper feminized to the

35:45

West is now because a countervening

35:47

pressure to how insanely masculine the

35:49

West has been for most of

35:51

its history. Yeah, if if Liberalism

35:53

was a pole dancer. It can't

35:56

dance without the pole of excellence

35:58

in a way. Yeah, it needs

36:00

to be grounded on something. So

36:02

I like the life -affirming axis

36:05

or start or

36:07

axiom. I was reading

36:09

and I'm gonna get the stat

36:11

wrong, but around one third of

36:13

the zoomer generation has been aborted

36:15

in America. If you

36:17

look at the numbers, born

36:20

to aborted, it's like two

36:22

to one. So

36:24

there's something going on there.

36:26

There's a ticking time bomb

36:28

there, but that... The

36:31

talk around natalism comes down to

36:33

the gender issue, and the gender

36:35

issue comes down to what liberalism

36:37

has given females, which is agency,

36:39

and the ability to, you know,

36:41

self -determine. And I don't think

36:43

you can really take that away.

36:45

For all the talk of how

36:48

the pre -moderns had a lot of

36:50

things right, you can't introduce liberalism

36:52

into even men's brains. Do

36:54

what thou willst is the law

36:56

of the land. I don't know how

36:58

you... The fascists

37:00

dream that an authoritarian can

37:02

force people to conform. The

37:05

Christian nationalists, I think, want

37:07

that, but want to establish

37:09

the conditions by which Jesus

37:11

can reform people voluntarily. The

37:14

classical liberals seem to think that

37:16

they can rationally argue people into a

37:18

better point of view. And

37:20

then the monarchists, well, they'll just wow you

37:22

with greatness, I guess. But

37:25

how do you... people

37:27

back towards life if that's the

37:29

axiomatic principle I think Elon Musk is

37:31

trying to he signals that but

37:33

if you look at how he's actually

37:35

Arranging his offspring. It's by in

37:38

veto IVF, you know, he's not really

37:40

and he's barely around it seems

37:42

like with his children So that's one

37:44

way of doing it if you

37:46

have enough money, but I don't think

37:48

that's an image of fatherhood that

37:51

would necessarily scale so I'm just wondering

37:53

how in your interactions and thinking

37:55

about this, how you move the needle

37:57

on the gender issue, how you

37:59

convince women to want babies and men

38:01

to want to be fathers, if

38:05

that's even close to what

38:07

you think of as life

38:09

-affirming or life. Yeah, that's

38:11

an incredibly good point. What

38:13

I'd say here is

38:16

that You

38:19

can't go into someone's soul and

38:21

forcibly change their mind. This is

38:23

what the failure of 20th century

38:25

totalitarianism has proved and it's why

38:27

I'm not a fascist or a

38:29

wokie or a Marxist because They

38:31

all think that you can re

38:34

-engineer the human soul But even

38:36

if you shove and classical liberals

38:38

think he can re -educate the human

38:40

soul. That's their downfall Or they

38:42

they they the founding fathers I

38:44

like to say that I have

38:46

the almost identical social and political

38:49

views of the Founding Fathers, but

38:51

that's not what the Founding Fathers

38:53

thought. That's what they thought later.

38:56

The Founding Fathers were very

38:58

real, pogotique, about different subgroups

39:00

having different interests, and you

39:02

had to balance the different

39:04

subgroups against each other. But

39:08

so I

39:10

think... Modernity

39:12

will have to go through

39:14

a process relatively equivalent to

39:16

opiate withdrawal within our lifetime

39:18

because we are stuck in

39:20

a place of diminishing returns

39:22

where We've burned through all

39:24

of our social institutions and

39:26

we've gotten rid of every

39:28

single mechanism we would use

39:30

to realign and we're constantly

39:32

hooked up on what you

39:34

call soma, which is just

39:37

dopamine addiction and The

39:39

world isn't going to end. There's always

39:41

people in who inherit the earth. And

39:44

so life naturally heals itself

39:46

and it naturally rebalances. So

39:48

that's going to happen. And

39:50

we can take faith in

39:52

that. But the short answer

39:55

is just. survive until the

39:57

ecosystem can heal itself. Because

39:59

I don't support the government

40:01

intervening to help fertility. It's

40:03

just frankly not effective. And

40:06

whenever the government will try to exert

40:08

power to get people to have kids, it's

40:10

always going to backfire. What will

40:12

happen instead is that the

40:14

people who are life

40:16

-affirming, they're going to procreate and people

40:18

who won't won't. And so the

40:20

system is going to naturally realign. And

40:23

I see it kind of as not kind

40:25

of, I see it as our responsibility to

40:27

just keep the system running until it naturally

40:29

heals by itself. And if

40:31

you don't, if you try to

40:33

force the process, it's going

40:35

to backfire. And

40:37

beyond that, in

40:40

this game, not

40:43

all players are going to end

40:45

out equally well. And I think it's

40:48

also the responsibility of each independent

40:50

country to make sure that their country

40:52

are not the people who get

40:54

just destroyed by this. What's

40:56

your take on the direction that

40:59

Trump is trying to take America? If

41:02

that is isolationist or if

41:04

he's just kind of via tariffs

41:06

trying to reorganize the world

41:08

order? Are you in favor? You

41:10

think he's... If it

41:12

goes according to plan, whatever that plan

41:14

is, do you think that that's

41:16

a positive or negative? I'm

41:19

largely aligned with

41:21

Trump's foreign policy.

41:24

I used to not be isolationist,

41:26

but I've become progressively more

41:28

isolationist due to a combination of

41:30

the complete lack of gratitude

41:32

our allies have and how we're

41:34

not really reliant on them

41:37

for anything. And finally,

41:39

how... see us using the American

41:41

Empire backfiring on us, where

41:43

I think if America is an

41:45

empire, we will end up

41:47

producing the worst traits in the

41:50

rest of the world and

41:52

the worst traits in ourselves. Because

41:54

as a society, America

41:56

is profoundly libertarian and

41:58

profoundly non -government. And

42:00

so if we have

42:03

this huge continent spanning

42:05

an empire, we will

42:07

gradually develop authoritarianism

42:10

as a way to control the rest of the

42:12

world. We have to have the huge armies. We

42:15

have to have naval bases

42:17

around the world. And what will

42:19

happen is that that will

42:21

end up coming around and it

42:23

will create a leadership class

42:25

that will in turn, um, subjugate

42:28

Americans. And so we're going to

42:30

lose the soul of the soul

42:32

of a country that we developed

42:34

starting in the colonial period. And

42:36

that's why the left hates. the

42:38

American people and American culture, because

42:40

the American government was formed as

42:43

this mechanism to mediate between the

42:45

different subcultures inside America that until

42:47

the time of the U .S.

42:49

Civil War were seen as independent

42:51

countries. New England's, the Middle States,

42:53

the South, even subdivisions

42:55

inside them until the

42:57

time of the U .S.

43:00

Civil War, it was these

43:02

United States, independent countries,

43:04

and the government Over

43:06

time realized that its enemy was

43:08

the American culture itself and the

43:10

American people itself Which is why

43:12

I want to replace that those

43:15

people and destroy that culture because

43:17

inside the original American culture We

43:19

had established a mechanism where we

43:21

had replicated the government to just

43:23

being an arbitration system and secondly

43:25

I think the American Empire is

43:27

hurting the rest of the world

43:30

where we have brought profound goods

43:32

to the world whether the

43:34

greatest wealth ever, the spread

43:36

of political freedom, the

43:38

spread of just the

43:41

complete technologies. Like

43:43

when I was in

43:45

Phuket in Thailand, it

43:47

looks like Florida. That's insane.

43:50

When I went to China, a lot

43:52

of the buildings in China look

43:54

the same as America. So it's

43:56

this globalized world. But what we've

43:58

also done is we've infantilized the

44:00

world and we've created a global

44:02

monoculture that gives people no reason

44:05

to continue their societies because there's

44:07

nothing distinctive about it where one

44:09

of the things I find reading

44:11

history is that societies had their

44:13

own national trajectories with their own

44:15

sense of destiny and their own

44:17

soul and their own social

44:19

hierarchies and yes, they were more

44:22

oppressive and yes They were

44:24

they had a litany of issues

44:26

and they were poorer but

44:28

then with the rise of the

44:30

American Empire we created this

44:32

huge global spanning comfort that destroyed

44:34

the natural direction of so

44:36

many societies in the world and

44:38

so Although we brought so

44:40

many goods we ended up infantilizing

44:42

the world and my worry

44:44

is that If the American Empire

44:46

continues, it's going to create

44:49

this sort of cancerous anti -culture

44:51

that both consumes America and consumes

44:53

other cultures around the world. How

44:56

does one, speaking

44:58

historically, change

45:00

the direction of empire

45:02

away from empire? Because

45:05

the American Empire is

45:07

an empire. Has an

45:09

empire ever voluntarily de

45:12

-imperialized itself? the

45:14

West Europeans did in World War

45:16

Two. The thing is

45:18

but they just, because

45:20

we took over... Right, Americans

45:22

took over Britain. The

45:26

best parallel would be

45:28

China. China has a

45:30

similar geographic place to America

45:32

where... we both occupied the

45:34

our entire temperate zones. And

45:36

because we're so huge and

45:38

we're geographically isolated from other

45:40

important players, China's periodically gone

45:42

in and out of imperialist

45:44

phases. And this ended

45:47

up being an issue

45:49

for China because they

45:51

purposely isolated themselves from

45:53

the world, which would

45:55

be the worry if

45:57

America does this. But.

46:04

There are two American empires.

46:06

There's the internal American Empire,

46:09

which was built by the

46:11

settlers and the pioneers mostly

46:13

in the century and

46:15

the internal American Empire

46:17

is doing very well. And

46:19

then there's the 20th

46:21

century, Naval American Empire, which

46:23

is Europe, the Far

46:25

East, Middle East. And you

46:27

could see the left

46:29

has become ideologically captured by

46:31

the transnational

46:34

American Empire and the right

46:36

is serving the interests of

46:38

the internal American Empire and

46:40

The amount of people in

46:42

America who benefit from the

46:44

trans from the I need

46:47

a better term for this

46:49

for the transnational American Empire

46:51

is relatively small and so

46:53

I could definitely see an

46:55

isolationist faction win and then

46:57

break off The

46:59

the the continent spanning empire

47:02

because it's not really inside

47:04

the self -interest of most

47:06

Americans. Hmm. What would be

47:08

this is how would we

47:10

reformulate the myth of what it

47:12

is to be an American

47:14

with all of the Mixing of

47:16

cultures that has happened since

47:18

the 19th 18th and century.

47:21

That's a really good question and I have

47:23

an interesting answer But I'm gonna run to the

47:25

bathroom. be back in a moment. Click it Part

47:29

two. America's

47:31

reformulated its identity

47:33

several times, where in

47:36

the early Republic

47:38

period, our identity was

47:40

we are a

47:42

democratic country. In

47:44

the late 19th century, it was

47:47

that we were an Anglo -Saxon,

47:49

Germanic country. In the turn

47:51

from the 19th to the 20th century is

47:53

that we were a frontier nation. in

47:55

the mid to late 20th century,

47:57

it's that we were a diverse

47:59

country. And then in the 21st

48:01

century, it's that we are a

48:03

settler, colonialist, racist, 1619

48:06

project, slave or society. This

48:08

is something we do relatively frequently. And

48:11

those are the narratives from how

48:13

we write our history. If you

48:15

were to look at the history

48:18

book from any of those given

48:20

time periods, they would choose to

48:22

prioritize that variable over

48:24

the rest of the historic narrative. And

48:27

the narrative I'd like to supply

48:29

next is that America is a

48:31

natural developing ecosystem which forms from

48:33

a combination of the history of

48:35

the land and the experiences of

48:37

the people involved. So

48:39

looking at the connection between

48:42

the people, the land and

48:44

the history to see America

48:46

as this organic as this

48:48

organic thing that evolves over

48:50

time. When

48:53

I hear chatter about

48:55

America is this idea,

48:57

like it's a propositional

48:59

nation. I understand

49:01

the arguments for it and against

49:03

it, but that doesn't really capture

49:05

what it is to be an

49:07

American, like there's people. And

49:10

in fact, that people is a

49:12

very diverse people because it's spread

49:14

all over and you can really

49:16

tell the difference between different cities

49:18

when you travel through them and

49:20

you just watch the people. There's

49:22

just a different kind of vibe

49:24

going on in the different places.

49:26

But there is an American -ness

49:28

that covers the whole thing. I

49:30

think that there's... From certain

49:32

classical liberals they have a really

49:34

well because they're always reacting to

49:36

fascism And I think that's probably

49:39

something that we need to get

49:41

over. I don't know what you

49:43

think about that Centering Hitler as

49:45

the evil counterweight to our American

49:47

identity. We can't formulate a new

49:49

identity without just forgetting the central

49:51

role that Hitler has in forming

49:53

our identity and Ergo fascism we

49:55

need a different kind of counterweight,

49:57

but there's you know, but in

49:59

reacting to blood and

50:02

soil, people, classical

50:04

liberals kind of pine for

50:06

this propositional nation, which isn't

50:08

real. There has to be

50:10

some sort of understanding of

50:12

the nation as a particular

50:14

people in a particular place

50:16

in history. And classical

50:18

liberals really need to get over

50:21

fascism in order for them

50:23

to work with that material. I

50:26

agree with that. I mean,

50:28

it's... The dominant narrative for

50:30

most of my life has

50:32

been if you look at

50:34

America's identity, it's the Constitution.

50:36

It's the Declaration of Independence.

50:38

It's these documents and these

50:41

values and That's fundamentally not

50:43

strong enough because if America

50:45

became a military dictatorship through

50:47

the Constitution, we'd still be

50:49

Americans. We don't have any

50:51

other identity And so Once

50:53

you were the way to

50:55

figure out if someone's an

50:57

honest player is gradually remove

51:00

the variables from their argument

51:02

change and this is what

51:04

this is what history in

51:06

society does where You

51:09

have a certain amount of pillars

51:11

or foundations to social structures and

51:13

then you start removing background variables

51:15

no one thinks about until you

51:17

thesius ships your way out of

51:19

your previous social structure. The

51:22

easiest example is the switch

51:24

from the Greeks to the Byzantines

51:26

who had different religion. different

51:28

civilization, different government system, but they're

51:31

still the same people ethnically.

51:33

So it's a shift in identity,

51:35

although the ethnicity remained the

51:37

same. Istanbul is Constantinople.

51:40

Yes. And America

51:42

is fundamentally...

51:45

It's fundamentally an Anglo country. If you...

51:47

And people get really triggered if you

51:49

say that, but it's obviously true, where

51:52

a majority of white Americans' genetics is

51:54

from the British Isles. And if you

51:56

look around the world, even if you

51:58

go to Quebec, where the Quebecois

52:00

are from Normandy and Brittany, across

52:02

the English Channel from England, and

52:04

it's clear how different Quebec is

52:06

from the rest of North America.

52:08

If you go to a country

52:11

like Argentina, which is white Spanish,

52:13

it's still different. And so... who

52:15

say stuff like America is a

52:17

nation of ideas, they haven't really

52:19

grappled with how different other societies

52:21

are. And this is a myopia

52:23

I really see with classical liberals

52:25

or leftists or those people is

52:28

they have no comprehension how so

52:30

many of the ideas they spout

52:32

can only make sense in a

52:34

Western context. And especially so a

52:36

Western context where you never have

52:38

to deal with other societies. I

52:41

like to say that Modern

52:43

leftist anthropology acts as if every

52:45

person in the world is

52:47

an educated secular Anglo professor living

52:49

in a suburb of Boston. I

52:52

am an educated religious conservative

52:54

Anglo from Pennsylvania and they have

52:56

no idea who I am

52:58

or how I perceive the world.

53:01

So their frame of reality

53:03

is very, very limited. And

53:06

my attitude for. the different narratives

53:08

of American history, is there corrects

53:10

to differing degrees? I would say

53:12

the one I would put first

53:14

is that America is an Anglo

53:16

country because if you compare us

53:18

to Britain or Australia, you'll

53:20

find profound similarities. Even

53:22

if you look at like medieval England,

53:24

you'll find strong similarities in modern America and

53:27

medieval England. Then I put the frontier

53:29

as number two. Then I

53:31

put the democratic institutions

53:33

as number three. I'd

53:35

actually find those because I don't know

53:37

if they exist anymore. I just want

53:39

to know these democratic so frontier culture

53:41

Yeah frontier culture, but what do you

53:43

mean democratic institutions? Do they still exist

53:46

so? This is

53:48

what I think I said the

53:50

culture in the anthropology where

53:52

America is a democracy Because when

53:54

you look at non democracies,

53:56

it's so much worse where we

53:58

are a flawed democracy, but

54:00

we still fundamentally pick our

54:02

leader through election. And if that wasn't the case,

54:04

Trump would never have been elected. Even

54:06

Britain's technically a democracy, although

54:08

de facto they're turning into

54:11

an oligarchy. And so... For

54:13

stuff like democracy or frontier,

54:15

you notice it when you

54:17

compare us to Europe, because

54:19

Europe and America are ostensibly

54:21

culturally close, but in Europe

54:23

you see significantly more hierarchy,

54:26

you see significantly more social

54:28

rigidity, all those sorts of

54:30

things. And the

54:32

poison of nihilism is affecting

54:34

the two regions differently. It's

54:36

affecting Europe differently than it is

54:38

America. I'm sure

54:41

that's accurate, but please

54:43

explain it. Well, I

54:45

just, the way that

54:47

Europe, European elites

54:49

are strangulating the

54:52

European people who want

54:54

to remain German,

54:56

French, British,

54:58

by one, moving

55:02

in massive amounts

55:04

of a foreign culture,

55:06

and then to

55:08

stripping those nationalists, particularists,

55:11

people of political power, like

55:13

making it basically illegal to

55:16

be right wing. So

55:18

that's got to be a nihilistic, maybe

55:20

I'm wrong, but that's a

55:22

nihilistic wave of operating the country.

55:24

Whereas, and so I

55:26

don't know where that leaves European,

55:28

this generation of Europeans. What

55:31

do they have to look forward to? What

55:33

do they need to do

55:35

in order to get political representation

55:38

that actually represents their interests?

55:40

And to what degree is America

55:42

possibly loosening its grip on

55:44

Europe through, you know, USAID and

55:46

the massive astroturfing of leftist

55:49

propaganda over there? To what degree

55:51

is if we withdraw our

55:53

power, the elites will have to

55:55

change course in order to

55:57

serve, in order to maintain elite

55:59

class? We just so I want

56:02

to finish the earlier point I was saying and

56:04

I'll get back to the point you that you

56:06

just said where My

56:08

tier list is I think America

56:10

is predominantly an Anglo country, followed by

56:12

that it's a frontier country, followed

56:14

by that a democratic country. Then I

56:17

would actually put the left's narrative

56:19

of slavery and conquering the Indians before

56:21

the diversity. I think slavery

56:23

and conquering the Indians is more

56:25

important to the American character than Irish

56:27

or Italian or Korean or Mexican

56:29

immigration. Slavery

56:31

and conquer. And I suppose

56:34

you Don't just mean that

56:36

in a negative sense, like

56:38

it's an original sin, but

56:40

it's also a part of

56:42

our character and how we

56:44

how we subconsciously project what

56:46

hierarchy means. Maybe

56:48

it's also just it's it's it's who we

56:50

are to a certain point. And I. I

56:53

also just don't think

56:55

it's a good idea

56:58

to analyze peoples. I

57:01

think there's something innately really bad

57:03

about going through someone's life and

57:05

just cherry picking the worst parts

57:07

of it because it's one of

57:09

those things where you

57:11

derive zero benefit from doing it.

57:13

If you have a culture that's

57:15

just pure critical nihilism without any

57:17

constructive idea of how to improve, is

57:20

you're just hurting people with zero benefit.

57:22

So you would fashion our treatment

57:25

of the Native Americans and

57:27

our treatment of the African slaves

57:29

as a point from which

57:31

we've grown. Not just

57:33

an original sin, but a

57:35

point by... through which

57:37

which illustrates our progress social

57:39

that's not what I'm

57:41

saying I'm saying that in

57:43

our current cultural context

57:45

we go back through history

57:47

to find flaws and

57:49

then we cherry pick them

57:52

in a way that's

57:54

very it's very suicidal and

57:56

emotional and it's like

57:58

I'm watching the internal monologue

58:00

of of like someone

58:02

in the show euphoria Okay,

58:04

where euphoria is this TV

58:06

show but depressed like depressed

58:09

degenerate high schoolers and it's

58:11

I'm just imagining this depressed

58:13

degenerate high schooler who Doesn't

58:15

really have a degree of

58:17

objectivity to zoom out from

58:19

their own thoughts And that's

58:21

how I feel a lot

58:23

of the woke culture of

58:25

criticism where The way

58:27

they do criticism, it's just

58:29

character assassination. It's not

58:31

constructive in any way. And there's not

58:33

really a purpose for that kind of

58:36

criticism. In most societies in history, the

58:38

nobility would just have them shot. But

58:41

it's this weird combination

58:43

of having a free society

58:45

with the removal of

58:47

social standards. A wealthy free

58:49

society with the removal

58:51

of social standards where the

58:53

entire society devolves into mate

58:56

suppression, mate suppression

58:58

and nihilism and

59:00

that stuff. And

59:03

so, yes, we did enslave the

59:05

blacks and kill the Indians, but

59:07

every single country has skeletons in

59:09

its closet. And if we're going

59:11

to compare the skeletons in the

59:13

closet, America is by

59:16

far not the worst society

59:18

ever. If we're honestly looking at

59:20

skeletons in the closet, we'll

59:22

look relatively fine. That

59:26

said, if it

59:28

is fourth down in your tier

59:30

list of American identity, then

59:32

we have to take those skeletons

59:34

out of the closet and

59:36

reckon with them somehow. You've already

59:38

critiqued how the woke reckon

59:40

with them. You say that's nihilistic

59:42

and etc. admitting

59:45

that it happened and not feeling

59:47

terrible about it is one step. But

59:49

how do you actually analyze that

59:51

and articulate that into a positive identity,

59:53

a positive part of your identity?

59:55

That's why I was proposing slavery is

59:57

a place from which we've come,

59:59

rather than an original set. Agreed.

1:00:02

That's also a good point where, I

1:00:05

mean, we fought a

1:00:07

war that killed half a million of our

1:00:09

own people to end slavery. And...

1:00:14

something so insanely generous that everyone

1:00:16

else in history would think

1:00:18

if you did that that's so

1:00:20

beyond the pale of what's

1:00:22

considered normal in history that like

1:00:24

we're going to clap for

1:00:26

you where it I mean if

1:00:28

we're adding up us civil

1:00:30

war end of Jim Crow, the

1:00:32

welfare state, and then wokeness

1:00:34

on top of it, every other

1:00:36

society in history would say,

1:00:38

you guys are massively overdoing this.

1:00:40

You guys need to calm

1:00:42

down and change ideas. You've put

1:00:44

enough effort into this. Well,

1:00:47

put fists on the fifth

1:00:49

tier of American identity, going balls

1:00:51

to the wall and going

1:00:53

overboard with any given thing that

1:00:55

we do, maybe. Exactly. We

1:00:58

don't have moderation. But...

1:01:03

So your other question nihilism in

1:01:05

Europe versus America in America

1:01:07

I think they're more overtly trying

1:01:09

to destroy the culture because

1:01:11

the culture is an enemy to

1:01:13

the left in America in

1:01:15

a way It's not in Europe

1:01:17

where in Europe you have

1:01:19

these pre -established authoritarian hierarchies which

1:01:21

They have been able to hijack

1:01:23

for their own benefit in

1:01:25

the same way that the nobility

1:01:27

200 years ago in Europe

1:01:29

could control the populace The

1:01:33

left was able to use

1:01:36

those same mechanisms to control

1:01:38

the populace and you look

1:01:40

at Germany or Britain or

1:01:42

France and it's very clear

1:01:44

that the democracy I'm still

1:01:47

gonna say they're a democracy

1:01:49

because they're picking people through

1:01:51

through voting, but functionally they're

1:01:53

not because these tiny elites

1:01:55

have hijacked the entire apparatus.

1:01:58

I was watching this video that

1:02:01

was surprisingly good. It was British

1:02:03

ads are dystopian, and it's by

1:02:05

this user called the despot of

1:02:07

Antrim on YouTube, and he's

1:02:09

going through all of these British advertisements. And

1:02:12

it's hilarious. I

1:02:15

don't know if hilarious is the right word.

1:02:17

It's horrifying. how much

1:02:19

further along Britain is than America,

1:02:21

where there's no counter -reading forced

1:02:23

awokeness, where he goes through

1:02:25

300 ads, not a single one

1:02:27

is a happy white family. Almost

1:02:30

all of them are

1:02:32

black man white women.

1:02:34

And in Britain, only

1:02:36

4 % of white

1:02:39

women marry outside of

1:02:41

their race. So it

1:02:43

statistically basically barely happens.

1:02:45

And with... And it's

1:02:47

just lots of stuff like that

1:02:49

where they'll have Advertisements for the

1:02:51

military where this Islamic guy is

1:02:53

praying and then one of the

1:02:55

the white men walks over to

1:02:57

saying we're in the middle of

1:02:59

a military operation Don't pray now

1:03:01

and then this female officer stops

1:03:03

him saying you need to let

1:03:05

him pray in the middle of

1:03:07

a military operation and That's just

1:03:09

insanity While they while the actual

1:03:11

government is arresting people for praying

1:03:13

outside of abortion clinics. Yes. Yeah There's

1:03:17

something I wanted to ask, and I

1:03:19

don't know if you want to get into

1:03:21

it or not, but it's related to

1:03:23

personality, the cult of personality. It's

1:03:25

about the reinventiveness of

1:03:27

American identity and how

1:03:29

you as a content

1:03:31

creator have... we made

1:03:34

yourself or changed over

1:03:36

time. You did some

1:03:38

sort of Andy Kaufman

1:03:40

-esque stunt. It was

1:03:42

right on Christmas time

1:03:44

and it was fortunately or

1:03:47

unfortunately timed with Vivek

1:03:49

Ramaswamy. tanking his legitimacy

1:03:51

on at least at the E

1:03:53

-Rite by releasing the screed about

1:03:55

how America isn't for the

1:03:57

jocks and the cheerleaders is for

1:03:59

the study nerds or something

1:04:02

like that. He got very invested

1:04:04

in stuff. I'm wondering what

1:04:06

was that experiment about and what

1:04:08

have you learned about Self -reinvention

1:04:10

as a content creator as

1:04:12

somebody who basically whether you like

1:04:14

it or not does have

1:04:17

a cult of personality because personality

1:04:19

is what people pay attention

1:04:21

to more than just ideas Yeah

1:04:23

My intention with that and

1:04:25

I probably failed was I was

1:04:27

trying to say The way

1:04:29

the modern world perceives with with

1:04:32

that stunt I was trying

1:04:34

to say the way you

1:04:36

perceive this is how the

1:04:38

pre -industrial world would perceive us. So

1:04:41

I was trying to create

1:04:43

a kind of mirror where the

1:04:45

emotional state you perceive from

1:04:47

this is how the rest of

1:04:50

history would perceive this particular

1:04:52

moment in history. Does that make

1:04:54

sense? Okay, so just to

1:04:56

make it a little bit concrete. One,

1:05:00

it was so overdone, you're very

1:05:02

American. It was like what, three

1:05:04

videos? Like nine hours? It was

1:05:06

something insane. It was a huge

1:05:08

thing. So just to take a

1:05:10

snippet out of it so you

1:05:12

can explain it, you said that

1:05:15

you would come into contact with

1:05:17

Wotan. And you

1:05:19

were... in an

1:05:21

arranged marriage with

1:05:23

society. And you hate

1:05:26

society, right? So I was going through,

1:05:28

somebody had made a clip, like a distillation

1:05:30

of it, and you just kept on

1:05:32

going. So I just, I'm amazed by your

1:05:34

ability to just rant for hours on

1:05:36

end. And you just kept on going and

1:05:38

you didn't lose your thought at all.

1:05:40

Even when you say, oh, I lost my

1:05:42

thought, you'd pick it right back up.

1:05:44

So your brain's just firing on all cylinders.

1:05:46

But how does that show? Like, what

1:05:49

do you mean by that? Or

1:05:51

do we think that we have

1:05:53

some sort of divine, liberal,

1:05:56

modern, progressive, 2020s,

1:05:59

liberal Americans,

1:06:02

liberal world order, we have some relationship to

1:06:04

divine truth that from any other point

1:06:06

of view in history or even the world

1:06:08

right now looks like a madman ranting.

1:06:10

Is that what you're saying? Yeah,

1:06:13

was trying to say that. I'm

1:06:16

gonna be honest, you think you guys probably figured it

1:06:19

out. There are certain parts of that where I perhaps

1:06:21

took too many substances. Um, and...

1:06:23

So, let's go back

1:06:25

to the cracking line.

1:06:28

There was a specific time where I did that

1:06:30

as a way to show how insane modernity

1:06:32

was, and I was trying to say, um,

1:06:36

that the way you

1:06:38

feel about, yeah, I was

1:06:40

trying to say that our society

1:06:42

today is a raving madman, and I

1:06:44

was, that... proportion of how insane

1:06:46

the right would have to go this

1:06:49

crazy to be equivalent to how

1:06:51

insane the left is. Okay.

1:06:54

In retrospect, it's not one of my

1:06:56

proudest moments. Well,

1:06:58

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1:07:00

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am as a

1:08:25

person and what my

1:08:28

brand is and

1:08:30

so And that's something

1:08:32

you have to

1:08:34

handle carefully where Yeah,

1:08:37

there's a degree there's a degree

1:08:39

of responsibility and there's also a

1:08:41

degree of dehumanization in platforms

1:08:44

like this. And that was

1:08:46

one of the themes I

1:08:48

wanted to tease out that

1:08:50

there is a profound dehumanization

1:08:53

to the internet. And

1:08:55

you kind of have to...

1:08:57

At the same time as the

1:08:59

internet is causing you to

1:09:01

be more vulnerable to the masses

1:09:03

than you would ever be

1:09:05

to your own family in a

1:09:07

certain sense. It tricks us

1:09:09

into... unspooling our

1:09:12

guts in a way and

1:09:14

at the same time dehumanizing

1:09:16

us. Exactly. And

1:09:19

there's not really any

1:09:21

rules to the internet.

1:09:24

That's the issue where

1:09:26

the internet creates this

1:09:28

false facsimile of parasocial

1:09:30

relationships. Well, the

1:09:32

reality is that is that

1:09:35

this is one of

1:09:37

the double binds that Pizzas

1:09:39

me off where the

1:09:41

internet rewards genuine authentic it

1:09:43

rewards the appearance of

1:09:45

authenticity and then genuine authenticity

1:09:47

is is is is

1:09:49

destroyed it's vastly destroyed and

1:09:51

so the point out

1:09:53

one of the points I

1:09:56

was trying to convey

1:09:58

there is that There is

1:10:00

this parasocial version of

1:10:02

me that people know that

1:10:04

is not the actual

1:10:06

me And there's

1:10:08

a wide variety. There's a

1:10:10

wide range of them. And

1:10:12

it's one of those things

1:10:15

where if you have some

1:10:17

kind of... I don't know

1:10:19

what I'm trying to articulate

1:10:21

here. There's a thread here

1:10:23

that my mind is mulling

1:10:25

on, but I haven't fully

1:10:27

reached. Do you understand what

1:10:29

I'm saying? Yeah, well...

1:10:31

Not only are you not only are

1:10:34

you making fake friends, but you're

1:10:36

making kind of fake enemies, too So

1:10:38

I can see another level of

1:10:40

the brilliance of your blunder If I

1:10:42

might say so is that you

1:10:44

gave fodder to your enemies in a

1:10:46

way to to to quicken that

1:10:49

fake or frenemy that fake enemy kind

1:10:51

of Content cycle where you knew

1:10:53

on some level that you're gonna be

1:10:55

clipped and taken out of context

1:10:57

when you already know that you are

1:10:59

always By your enemies clipped and

1:11:01

taken out of context. So you gave

1:11:04

them. Yeah You turned up the

1:11:06

dial on that Yeah, I'm glad you

1:11:08

said that because that was one

1:11:10

of the things I was thinking about

1:11:12

because I was trying to I

1:11:14

Was trying to show what the internet

1:11:16

is to his ultimate culmination and

1:11:19

one of the points I was trying

1:11:21

to say is that the things

1:11:23

I say do not actually matter where

1:11:26

we say loads of words on the

1:11:28

internet. The thing that matters is the

1:11:30

vibe and how it fits into the

1:11:32

zeitgeist. You could literally say anything, and

1:11:34

if it fits into the zeitgeist in

1:11:36

one way or another, it...

1:11:38

If it fits into the zeitgeist

1:11:40

in one way or another, It

1:11:42

has a life of its own. Yeah,

1:11:45

exactly. And the things people actually

1:11:47

do say are so insanely ridiculous, where...

1:11:50

don't think the general zeitgeist is

1:11:52

more ridiculous than the things I

1:11:54

said. If you look

1:11:56

at, if you compare how

1:11:58

the pre -industrial world saw

1:12:00

our society to how we

1:12:02

perceive ourselves and the only

1:12:04

way to get out of

1:12:06

this is just accept your

1:12:08

insanity because once you accept

1:12:11

that you're insane and we're

1:12:13

all insane, you can actually

1:12:15

deal with it where Yeah,

1:12:21

where we have all gone crazy

1:12:23

and the only way to control that

1:12:25

is to accept that we've all

1:12:27

gone insane There's this Continual debate and

1:12:29

it has to do with your

1:12:31

previous episode. I think it was just

1:12:34

of the time of the recording

1:12:36

I think it was your most recent

1:12:38

episode. It's about a month It

1:12:40

was about Churchill and What's happening over

1:12:42

the last six months is that

1:12:44

there's this other content creator Kind

1:12:47

of slightly in your wheelhouse. I

1:12:49

don't know if you know him

1:12:51

personally or not But his name

1:12:53

is Daryl Cooper martyr made and

1:12:55

he's done a lot of fascinating

1:12:57

very heart -wrenching work about Israel

1:12:59

about he's working on World War

1:13:01

two right now and he said

1:13:03

something in Cindy area on Tucker

1:13:05

Carlson about saying that Churchill is

1:13:07

the greatest villain of World War

1:13:09

two and he was being facetious

1:13:11

But that has sparked such an

1:13:13

intense reaction from basically British classical

1:13:15

liberals and classical liberal anti -fascists that

1:13:17

they can't let it go. They

1:13:19

keep on making it the hill

1:13:21

that they want to die on.

1:13:23

Douglas Murray has just gone on

1:13:25

Rogan and kind of made a

1:13:27

fool of himself and everybody's trying

1:13:29

to run cover for him because

1:13:31

he doesn't want people to decrease

1:13:33

the importance of the Holocaust as

1:13:35

a not only as a travesty

1:13:37

of history but also the cornerstone

1:13:39

of what British identity and the

1:13:41

West's identity is built around. And

1:13:45

I find it fascinating

1:13:47

because it seems like the

1:13:49

people aren't really reading

1:13:51

the room that well. And

1:13:53

by reading the room,

1:13:55

I don't mean talking to

1:13:57

the choir or staying

1:13:59

online, but in how you

1:14:01

address the issues is

1:14:03

as much important as your

1:14:05

point is. And I'm

1:14:07

wondering how you... I

1:14:10

challenge you that you're downplaying

1:14:13

it as too crazy. I think

1:14:15

if we do take it

1:14:17

not too seriously, but if we

1:14:19

take it If we are

1:14:21

genuine with our desire to pursue

1:14:24

the truth and to form

1:14:26

a consensus, truth and consensus

1:14:28

come into view much more clearly than

1:14:30

if we take on the postmodern project

1:14:32

of everything is crazy and we should

1:14:34

lean into craziness. And I

1:14:36

think that a lot of your

1:14:38

work, you began in your original work

1:14:40

to be kind of playing with

1:14:42

alternative history in those experiments, those fictional

1:14:45

experiments, you had to take serious

1:14:47

history seriously enough to play with it.

1:14:49

And I think that your current

1:14:51

work with history is you have to

1:14:53

take history serious enough to play

1:14:55

with it, but you still have to

1:14:57

be playful and serious at the

1:14:59

same time. So being too playful and

1:15:01

saying everything is madness, it shuts

1:15:03

you out of the discourse by the

1:15:05

discourse is going to coagulate

1:15:07

around something real, even

1:15:09

if it's a facsimile of

1:15:12

real. So, we

1:15:14

don't really have words for the concept

1:15:16

I'm trying to articulate, but I think

1:15:18

it's an important context where take the

1:15:20

world seriously means something very different from, depending

1:15:23

on your context, where, what

1:15:26

should I call it again? When

1:15:30

I say don't take life

1:15:32

seriously, The point I'm trying to

1:15:34

convey is that don't let

1:15:36

your own ideas control you. Where

1:15:38

I refuse to take this

1:15:40

reality seriously because no one involved

1:15:42

is taking it seriously. All

1:15:45

of our dominant ideologies and our

1:15:47

dominant cultural things were just crap

1:15:49

we made up. None of the social

1:15:51

foundations of our society were things

1:15:53

people put thought into. Trans,

1:15:56

equality, progress. These

1:15:59

were all ideas we just made

1:16:01

up with no grounding and now

1:16:03

we're expected to live in a

1:16:05

reality where it faces the consequences.

1:16:07

So if you're gonna make shit

1:16:09

up, I'm gonna make shit up

1:16:11

too. Because if the dominant post

1:16:13

-modern narrative is that if the

1:16:15

dominant post -modern narrative is that a

1:16:18

man can be a woman, the

1:16:20

oppressed experiences of

1:16:22

reality Determine the existence

1:16:24

of how the world works by that

1:16:26

standard. I'm working for Odin It's

1:16:29

it's the same standard the left holds

1:16:31

for how our society is operating

1:16:33

and so part of the joke I

1:16:35

was trying to say is that

1:16:37

this is within the bounds of what

1:16:39

is philosophically acceptable in our society

1:16:41

and Because we're all the fucking joke

1:16:43

and the crazy thing is no

1:16:45

one realizes it's the joke everyone takes

1:16:47

this all so seriously and when

1:16:49

I say take it seriously versus not

1:16:52

What I'm trying to convey is

1:16:54

that we all, the world's a

1:16:56

hard place. We need to do

1:16:58

stuff and we need to fix

1:17:00

these issues. But what we're doing

1:17:02

is we're getting incredibly stuck on

1:17:04

ridiculous things. Things that

1:17:07

have zero grounding in the truth

1:17:09

and zero value. And

1:17:11

because of that, we

1:17:13

can't actually do anything.

1:17:15

So take a second,

1:17:17

laugh, accept this entire

1:17:19

reality as a deranged

1:17:21

joke, almost made by

1:17:23

a cruel God who's just trying

1:17:25

to show how stupid we

1:17:27

are. And once you accept that,

1:17:29

you can actually get stuff

1:17:31

done, because as of now, we're

1:17:33

stuck too much in the

1:17:35

bubble of the pre -established paradigm. OK.

1:17:38

But how do you how do you go

1:17:40

through that, that laughter without

1:17:42

falling into nihilism? How do you

1:17:44

not get stuck on just making

1:17:46

a joke of everything? I'm not

1:17:48

talking about you doing that, but

1:17:50

the potential of that happening. Life

1:17:53

affirmation. You, so...

1:17:55

What does that mean? People to...

1:17:58

Like, you're gonna walk around with

1:18:00

a sensor and smudge things with

1:18:02

sage? But

1:18:05

what's gonna happen is that

1:18:07

there's going to be... a huge

1:18:09

emotional upswelling once the general

1:18:11

public realizes the things I'm talking

1:18:14

about. There is going to

1:18:16

be a moment in society when

1:18:18

people realize the entire pre -established

1:18:20

social code is a lie

1:18:22

and a joke. And when that

1:18:24

happens, there's going to be

1:18:26

a horrific rise of very dark emotions. And

1:18:29

then once we have

1:18:31

to get through that

1:18:34

basically phase, blow off

1:18:36

steam because there's all

1:18:38

of these built -up emotions that are going

1:18:40

to be released. After that happens, and we

1:18:42

need to maintain sanity through it, then

1:18:44

we can start reformulating the culture.

1:18:47

And I said excellence in

1:18:49

life -affirming beforehand, and

1:18:51

the dominant value I

1:18:53

would use as empathy, because

1:18:56

I think the biggest

1:18:58

issue with industrial civilization is

1:19:00

that we are completely

1:19:02

dehumanized and depersonalized, where I

1:19:04

mean YouTube's a great

1:19:06

example where almost my entire

1:19:08

presence in the world

1:19:10

is not me as an

1:19:12

individual it is me

1:19:14

as a brand and so

1:19:16

that's I think the

1:19:18

internet pushes this to its

1:19:20

ultimate culmination, but it's

1:19:22

true with It's true with

1:19:24

a sub variety of

1:19:26

different things in working corporate

1:19:28

jobs between anonymous cities

1:19:30

where the reason people aren't

1:19:32

procreating is that industrial

1:19:34

civilization is so depersonalized that

1:19:36

it doesn't feel like

1:19:38

there's something worth preserving. And

1:19:41

I think empathy is the biggest

1:19:43

value because if people have empathy,

1:19:45

or at least communities of empathy,

1:19:47

which sounds like a lame term,

1:19:49

but I promise it means something,

1:19:52

where... in -person communities,

1:19:54

religions, the things people built his

1:19:56

society around over history, those

1:19:58

are the communities that have the will to

1:20:00

live. And so if we build our society

1:20:02

around empathy and the second value I think

1:20:04

is responsibility, that'll establish a

1:20:06

social structure that is nowhere

1:20:08

near as nihilistic as the current

1:20:10

one. How

1:20:12

do you personally tithe toward

1:20:14

that reality? How do

1:20:17

you personally invest your time,

1:20:19

effort, and will into

1:20:21

manifesting that? I'm

1:20:24

trying to establish an

1:20:26

intellectual frame where that makes

1:20:28

sense. So have I told

1:20:30

you my theories that there's the physics of

1:20:32

life and death? I maybe but here I

1:20:34

want to hear it again. Okay, I'm gonna

1:20:36

read this out to you. Life

1:20:39

and death. Death or inanimate matter spools

1:20:41

you down the great chain of being.

1:20:43

You need chaos to get matter to

1:20:45

move up. The fruit of knowledge was

1:20:47

chaos to get rational thought which is

1:20:49

dealing with power in order to be

1:20:51

able to further thought. Reason is dependent

1:20:54

upon faith. Faith is our biological wiring

1:20:56

and reason is conscious thought. Faith moves

1:20:58

you up the great chain of being

1:21:00

to higher levels. As you grow you

1:21:02

need more reason to rise up, but

1:21:04

at the same time that reason Slows

1:21:06

you down once again they

1:21:09

exist in critical tension matter requires

1:21:11

anti matter life requires death

1:21:13

There are infinite dimensions we can

1:21:15

only see certain ones beyond

1:21:17

the third dimension is the dimension

1:21:20

of cellular life moral quality

1:21:22

or quantum level thought transforms into

1:21:24

dead matter and so the

1:21:26

underlying theory there is that our

1:21:28

entire society is built around

1:21:31

thinking people are machines and machines

1:21:33

are fundamentally dead and dead

1:21:37

matter, if you're

1:21:39

in a society where you only

1:21:41

see people as dead inanimate

1:21:43

matter, there's not going to be

1:21:45

any reason for people to

1:21:47

live. And that's where we are

1:21:49

now, where we had the

1:21:51

massive growth of the Industrial Revolution,

1:21:53

but it's left societies so

1:21:55

nihilistic they have no will to

1:21:57

live. And so I

1:21:59

see my job mostly

1:22:01

as trying to fix, rotted

1:22:05

through intellectual institutions where

1:22:07

we've spent a century

1:22:09

completely destroying our understanding

1:22:11

of the world and

1:22:13

completely destroying our our

1:22:15

frame of reality and

1:22:17

so I see it

1:22:19

as my duty just

1:22:21

to go through different

1:22:23

intellectual disciplines and try

1:22:25

to fix the things

1:22:27

that were broken so

1:22:29

that people can at

1:22:31

least have a comprehensive

1:22:33

understanding of reality. By

1:22:37

YouTube's posting.

1:22:40

Yeah. All things, look man, we've all got

1:22:42

to have grandiose dreams to get us

1:22:45

through the day. Oh no, I'm not making

1:22:47

fun of you. I do the same

1:22:49

thing. I just think it's very interesting that

1:22:51

this tool that you have a lot

1:22:53

of criticism for is still the vehicle for

1:22:55

your dreams and hopes. That's

1:22:57

the way things are. Yeah. Rudyard,

1:23:01

you're one of my favorite people to talk

1:23:03

to you. So thank you very much for joining

1:23:05

me again and letting me, you know, throw

1:23:07

some ideas at you and hear your thoughts and

1:23:09

stuff. I'll link to all your work in

1:23:11

the description. What is a, you

1:23:13

know, people say, go and touch grass.

1:23:15

What is the way that you touch grass

1:23:18

that gets you out of your head

1:23:20

and gets you in relationship with the great

1:23:22

harmony of being? I

1:23:24

mean, I know people in

1:23:26

person. I talk to them. I

1:23:28

walk for over an hour

1:23:30

every single day. You're a walker.

1:23:33

Yeah, yeah. And I

1:23:35

try to spend as little time

1:23:37

online as possible. It's difficult

1:23:40

with today's society, but I

1:23:42

mean, the good side of it, I don't think

1:23:44

there's that much. There's

1:23:46

not that much that's actually good

1:23:48

online anymore. Don't

1:23:50

know. I'll be well. Let's let's take

1:23:53

that back because your your show is

1:23:55

still going strong when do can we

1:23:57

expect your next series coming up? Next

1:24:00

few days. Oh, okay Jewish

1:24:02

Jewish video part ones done already

1:24:04

and Jewish part two. I'm

1:24:06

halfway through editing Oh, cool. Did

1:24:09

it was there anything particularly

1:24:11

surprising that you found or that

1:24:13

changed your way of thinking

1:24:15

in this current video essay series

1:24:17

Jews Not

1:24:20

really. No, I

1:24:22

I developed the theories. I

1:24:24

did the research last fall

1:24:27

and so I had already

1:24:29

formulated the ideas by then

1:24:31

and The thing with the

1:24:33

Jews that I find is

1:24:35

the skeleton key if they

1:24:37

see themselves as God's chosen

1:24:39

people and So that provides

1:24:42

all their great strengths and

1:24:44

all their great weaknesses where

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because they're God's chosen people

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they They

1:24:50

have been able to excel

1:24:52

so much, and they've created

1:24:54

the three great world religions,

1:24:57

Islam, Christianity, Communism, indirectly. And

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so, the Jews have completely

1:25:02

reformulated the religious map of the world,

1:25:04

but at the same time it's opened them

1:25:06

up to a tremendous amount of suffering

1:25:08

and discrimination. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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And constant online battering

1:25:12

and bashing and always a

1:25:15

feature in a lot

1:25:17

of conspiracy theories because of

1:25:19

that. Rudy, I'm going to end

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the recording. Thank you so much for joining

1:25:23

me. Of course. It was a pleasure. Bye.

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Bye.