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1:41

Thank you Matt. Reeling after a

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1:45

tariffs. We're probably not going to

1:47

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1:49

We're going to touch on it,

1:52

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1:54

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1:56

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1:58

drags and stuff. to work out

2:00

what the hell is going on. I don't

2:03

think we're any close to knowing. Yeah, so

2:05

it's not like we have really all of

2:07

the answers, so we'll just touch on that

2:09

briefly. But also, welcome to the show, Reese

2:12

counts. Reese, what is your title? I know

2:14

you do a lot of the driving,

2:16

you do the fun stuff, but what are

2:18

your title at event? Yeah, so

2:20

I'm vehicle test editor. I'm one of

2:23

the guys that does the... performance

2:25

driving. We do zero to 60 breaking,

2:27

handling, test, all added a test

2:29

track that we have here in Sokow.

2:31

Frankly, it's pretty awesome job. Oh yeah, and

2:34

every once in a while I'm lucky enough

2:36

to drive with Alster for these u-drags videos,

2:38

but always a lot of fun. You know,

2:40

when I come on this show and I

2:43

say like, you know, I don't have like

2:45

the most fun, you know, I don't have

2:47

the most fun anymore. Well, basically like Reesees

2:49

is that guy. Yeah, yeah, we were talking

2:51

before you came on and yeah, sounds like

2:54

it's not a bad gig. No, you know,

2:56

he has to work with me, but that's

2:58

probably the worst part of it. Well,

3:00

we did, we did get too much

3:03

of that. Like we stopped as soon

3:05

as you came on to the, as

3:07

soon as you came on to the,

3:09

to the video here, we're like, shh,

3:12

be quiet. Alister's here. Okay, so real

3:14

quick on the on the tariff, so

3:16

we can navigate this a little bit.

3:18

I still don't really know, maybe, maybe

3:20

you do, Alistair, I don't

3:23

know if there's been any information

3:25

from what happens with

3:27

the companies that have

3:29

stepped up like Hyundai

3:31

and said, you know, got on a

3:34

podium, stood next to Trump

3:36

and said, We're going to

3:38

commit to 18 billion dollars over

3:40

the next four years. Do they

3:42

get some some concession? Do we know

3:45

yet like what's going to happen

3:47

with them or they just announced

3:49

this and then that's it. They're

3:51

going to get hit with the

3:53

tariffs for a while. Yeah, there's

3:55

no sort of individual

3:58

get out clause. It's not like.

4:00

spend 20 billion on a new factory

4:02

in the US and we'll just you know

4:04

we'll exempt you and you get your own

4:06

special form. Certainly none of we haven't seen

4:08

any of that at least not yet. It's

4:10

been a long week of just trying to

4:12

unpick all of this and of course we're

4:15

getting it from directly from sort of

4:17

the White House and all everything that's going

4:19

on there, but then we're also of course

4:21

getting it from the manufacturers saying this is

4:23

what we're doing and obviously they're scrambling around

4:25

a little bit. I mean it also seems

4:27

quite polarizing in the approach people are taken.

4:29

So obviously Ford came out on the front

4:31

foot and said, you know, Ford is in

4:33

a relative to most people is in a

4:35

pretty decent position. They've been quite aggressive and

4:37

said we're going to do employee pricing. It's not

4:39

quite across the board, it's on most

4:41

models and that's for the next couple

4:43

of months. Hyundai just came out and

4:45

said we're not increasing pricing again for

4:47

the next like couple of months or

4:49

so. Couple of others, Ferrari we talked

4:51

about, okay it's an edge case, Inios

4:53

came out and increased their prices by

4:55

about 5%. I think everybody else, there's

4:57

a little bit of wait and see

4:59

here. I think everybody's still trying to

5:02

figure it out. there is a feeling obviously

5:04

as we speak it's Friday afternoon the

5:06

stock markets have reacted pretty negatively to

5:08

all this so there's a few people

5:10

out there saying maybe this won't stick

5:12

around maybe there'll be a U-turn you

5:15

know who knows but at the moment it's kind

5:17

of wait and see I think you know

5:19

and it's interesting when you start to read

5:21

the small print of what everybody's saying most

5:23

people are saying okay we've got enough

5:25

inventory this is kind of where we are

5:28

let's by ourselves a couple of months let's

5:30

commit to something through you know basically

5:32

through spring and then we will have

5:34

a fresh look at it and work

5:36

out exactly what the impact is going

5:38

to be. Of course, a lot of this

5:41

depends is what's going to

5:43

happen at the other end of

5:45

it. There's a lot of talk

5:47

of China increasing tariffs, but also

5:49

Europe and everything else. The EU's

5:51

now got what, a 20% is

5:53

in a 20% tariff, you know,

5:55

they're likely to retaliate, so what

5:57

happens to Mercedes, BMW,

6:00

say these and stuff. So it's

6:02

a mess. It is a real mess.

6:04

And what does that mean to

6:06

the consumer, as we said last

6:08

week, maybe move fast? You know,

6:10

because I think at some point,

6:12

if this continues medium term,

6:15

prices will rise. I

6:17

think it's almost impossible to

6:19

imagine that they won't

6:21

on some level, whether that's it. incentives

6:23

go away so it almost happens

6:26

by stealth rather than just increasing

6:28

the MSRP but some things got

6:30

to give it's just not it's

6:32

not sustainable and you know it's

6:34

difficult we saw some you know

6:36

people being temporarily laid off up

6:38

at stelantis at the same time

6:40

they're kind of trying to reduce

6:42

price a super difficult situation

6:44

stelanta said 900 people temporarily I

6:47

believe yes but at the same

6:49

time they're also having to follow

6:51

Ford in reducing, you know, Ford's

6:53

come out and said we're going to

6:55

do this employee pricing, we're going to

6:57

get aggressive on it, so Stelantis has

6:59

now had to come out and basically

7:02

say the same thing. Stelantis, as we

7:04

know is, or Stelantis, if you're not

7:06

familiar, is Dodge, RAM, Alpha, Mayo, Fiat,

7:08

etc. They're already not in great shape.

7:10

So we will see. And maybe by

7:12

the time he says on Monday, it'll

7:14

a whole different world. But it might

7:16

be a different world. You know we

7:18

focus so much on new cars

7:20

and what does that mean but

7:23

Reese we'll get into the fun

7:25

stuff in a second you're still

7:27

there I see you glazing oh

7:29

yeah he's like let's get into

7:31

the driving stuff we'll get in

7:33

the fun stuff in a minute

7:35

but I was just out at

7:37

I box suspension for example and

7:39

they make springs and shocks and

7:41

suspension kids for cars off-road pretty

7:43

much everything and I was asking

7:45

them, how do you think it's going

7:47

to affect you? And they were like,

7:49

well, you know, we get our steel

7:51

from outside of the country, but we

7:53

make everything here. So it's not

7:55

a total increase, you know, like a massive

7:58

25% for them. It's not like the. thing,

8:00

but they're trying to find ways,

8:02

I think, like most companies, trying

8:04

to find ways to make that

8:07

less impactful to the consumer. They're

8:09

really working to make the prices

8:11

stay pretty much the same across

8:13

the board. And they have manufacturing

8:15

facilities in Germany and other parts

8:17

of the world, but there are

8:20

shocks, I believe, all come from

8:22

here from the US. So if

8:24

you are getting Ibach Springs in

8:26

Germany, that's... fine but if you're

8:28

getting shocks that's sent from here

8:30

to there so some of the

8:32

items might change and now this

8:34

is just one example because I

8:36

was visiting with them this morning

8:38

but the aftermarket think of the

8:40

sema show think of and as

8:42

we repair vehicles you know all the things

8:44

that would go wrong on a on a used

8:46

vehicle, those parts as well. What

8:48

does that necessarily mean? But one

8:51

of the other things that came

8:53

up was the collector car world.

8:55

It's not something we get into

8:57

normally on this version of car

8:59

cast, but it's something that we're

9:02

definitely interested in and have talked

9:04

a lot about over the years

9:06

going up to Monterey Car Week

9:08

and going to the auctions and

9:10

stuff. And what does that mean?

9:12

And there was something that came

9:14

up and I'll. I'll find

9:16

it so I don't get it wrong.

9:19

But basically it was page 10 of

9:21

this new order coming out of. Have

9:23

you read this? One of those kind

9:26

of thing is like, have you read

9:28

it? Read it? It's like, does anybody

9:30

actually read this stuff? Yeah, so I

9:33

used to understand subsection four. I literally,

9:35

I have, and I'm going to quote

9:37

it, literally says that. So it says

9:40

on or after April 3rd, 2025, vehicles

9:42

that are at least 25 years old

9:44

at the time of entry into this

9:47

country will be fully exempt

9:49

from the 25% tariff on

9:51

imported passenger vehicles and light

9:54

trucks. Again, under heading

9:56

9903, whatever, whatever, regardless

9:58

of origin. make or model.

10:01

However, our US Customs and

10:03

Border Protection Agency already has

10:05

a 2.5% duty on imported

10:08

cars, that will remain in

10:10

place, but it won't be

10:12

in an additional 25%. So

10:14

that is significant news in

10:17

my mind for the collector car

10:19

world. So if you have a,

10:21

yes, so if you're in, I mean,

10:23

I suppose this is a real

10:25

niche, isn't it? But if you're

10:27

importing a... Alpha and Mayo from

10:29

Europe to the to the US you're not

10:32

going because I that that's it's like this

10:34

whole nuance is never even in all my

10:36

reading and thinking about this I'd never even

10:38

occurred to me the idea that you know

10:40

you would be paying a tariff on an imported

10:42

classic car I thought it was all

10:44

about like why you're manufacturing stuff because

10:47

you're right 25 years ago god yeah

10:49

But you know, we also forget what

10:51

25 years means because it's 2025

10:53

and we're talking about classic cars

10:55

and you're thinking about auctions, you

10:57

know, like if you go to

11:00

Goodwood, you know, and you go

11:02

to, you know, the RM or

11:04

the Gooding auction, that's out there.

11:06

I forgot which one it was.

11:08

We're talking about car from the

11:10

year 2000, from April 2000, right?

11:12

Not exactly. the top of the

11:14

cream of the crop of r.m.

11:16

these days is a car from

11:18

2000. Right. I know a very

11:20

good car from 1997. In

11:23

fact, Reese, what's your, what's

11:25

your, Reese as an AMG C-C-class,

11:28

C-C-C-C-E-C-T, C-C-C-T,

11:30

C-C-T, C-C-C-T,

11:33

C-C-C-T, C-C-C-T,

11:35

C-C-C-C-C-T-T-T, C-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-

11:37

for my

11:40

classic 9-11,

11:42

they would come from Germany. So

11:44

presumably now they, although it's a car

11:46

that's more than 25 years old, that part

11:48

would not... The part is new. So I

11:50

know the parts are delayed till May,

11:52

and they're still working out with the

11:54

hells going on with parts, but the

11:56

part would be new, so there would be a

11:59

tariff on the part. So if you bought

12:01

a new, if you bought a C43

12:03

from, what was it, well built in

12:05

that era, wouldn't they? But if it

12:07

goes wrong, you're going to pay terrorists

12:10

on the parts, but you wouldn't pay

12:12

a Paris on a new AMG. So

12:14

maybe the trick is to just buy

12:16

a new AMG and you're done, 25-year-old

12:19

AMG. Okay, so what if you brought

12:21

the car in? If you bought a

12:23

C43 or whatever it was? 99. Yeah.

12:25

So if you bring a 99, go

12:28

to Germany, bring a C-43 over from

12:30

1999. No tariff. Well, 2.5 percent. 2.5

12:32

percent. But strip it for parts, sell

12:34

the parts, no tariff. Bring parts in.

12:36

I suppose the parts would be new

12:39

rather than used. Bring parts in pay,

12:41

Tariff. It's like, no, so if your

12:43

car is in Germany and you're going

12:45

to buy it at auction there, get

12:48

it fixed there with all the new

12:50

parts, right? Get all the new suspension

12:52

and everything on it that it's already

12:54

German. And then when you ship it

12:57

over, it's probably just going to go

12:59

by the VIN number. They're not going

13:01

to like look up the part numbers

13:03

of, you know, which shocks you put

13:06

shocks you put on it. restored there

13:08

and then bring it here. And then

13:10

just like spray in that sort of

13:12

fake dirt or whatever they do. I

13:14

don't think they dig into it that

13:17

much. Like that's kind of the thing.

13:19

And then I know people hate it

13:21

when I bring this up, but there

13:23

was a little thing that I think

13:26

Ferrari was doing was it costs so

13:28

much money to ship the battery like

13:30

for a La Ferrari from Italy to

13:32

here. for a replacement battery. So they

13:35

have, and again, I hope I'm not

13:37

getting in trouble for this, but they

13:39

have like a law Ferrari, an empty

13:41

law Ferrari donor car because it's easier

13:44

to ship an empty law Ferrari there,

13:46

put a battery in it and bring

13:48

it back here, because now you're just,

13:50

all the paperwork is done for the

13:52

car, right? There's a whole different thing

13:55

if you're shipping a giant, I don't

13:57

know, lithium battery, which already shipping is

13:59

a pain in the butt to do,

14:01

right? So it's just easier to put

14:04

it in a car. So I had

14:06

another idea, you know, like the boring

14:08

company that Elon Muskans, they're building a

14:10

tunnel under the, they're building a tunnel

14:13

in Texas for the factory, because apparently

14:15

I think it's a road or a

14:17

railway that cuts through the Tesla plant,

14:19

but the boring companies built them a

14:22

tunnel, so that's basically the two connected

14:24

to connected. And of course, you know,

14:26

if you look at what part of

14:28

Dodger's problems, it's all built in Windsor,

14:31

Canada. I had this idea, could you

14:33

like build a tunnel? Underneath? Underneath? And

14:35

so, like, if you could then just

14:37

drive back and forth under the tunnel,

14:39

and what point would it be crossing

14:42

the border? Well, I kind of feel

14:44

like our southern California Mexican border with

14:46

potential tunnels, if you will. It's I

14:48

mean it's kind of exhausting and I

14:51

was watching it live on Wednesday trying

14:53

to you know trying to figure it

14:55

all out and how we respond to

14:57

it and you know it's it's we'll

15:00

see we'll see and then obviously if

15:02

you know it's not going to bring

15:04

interest rates down that's for sure and

15:06

that's one of the big affordability things

15:09

a lot of people are doing it

15:11

well by use car well yeah And

15:13

there's a bit, it's kind of interesting,

15:15

as well, looking at, you know, what's

15:17

happening to some of the used car

15:20

retailers and everything else. There's a lot

15:22

of nervousness around that. You've got supply

15:24

problems, you've got affordability. So I say,

15:26

oh great, used car values are going

15:29

to go up. But actually, people then

15:31

can't afford them. So you end up

15:33

back in that time. Well, potentially, like

15:35

the snowball effect hasn't even happened yet.

15:38

Yeah. You know, so we'll we'll see

15:40

how that's going to go. But apart

15:42

from that, everything's great. Yeah, everything else

15:44

is great. I don't want to get

15:47

political about it, but it's like. It's

15:49

like, you know, I mean, the thing

15:51

is, particularly in automotive, the surprising is

15:53

going after automotive, we talked about this

15:55

last week, the automotive seems particularly punitive

15:58

when you look at, you know, where

16:00

everybody else is. So if you're Jaguar

16:02

Land River, it's like 10% on UK

16:04

goods, but 25% on cars, so that's

16:07

a big deal for them. But any

16:09

decision you make right now is not

16:11

going to be realized for a few

16:13

years. So even it's a way to

16:16

see what you're saying is right, you

16:18

got to build in America, you know,

16:20

understand the merits of that, but let's

16:22

say you're Jaguar Landre, right, you've got

16:25

to build in America. So that's going

16:27

to cost you $5 billion to set

16:29

up a new plant in America, and

16:31

that's going to be a minimum of

16:33

five years to get that up and

16:36

running, absolute minimum. Absolutely minimum. Yeah. are

16:38

going to be going to pay this

16:40

tariff. So you're basically trying to find

16:42

five billion and do something over here

16:45

at the same time you've been penalized

16:47

over here. So it's, and then you've

16:49

got the other problem is, okay, I've

16:51

built my five billion dollar plant in

16:54

the US, now I'm going to export

16:56

from the US to Europe and get

16:58

whacked by a tariff from the EU.

17:00

And even there, thinking about it, the

17:03

defenders made in continental Europe and the

17:05

range-rovers made in the UK. So I

17:07

mean, the range, the defender goes up

17:09

more than the range-rovers, because it's a

17:11

different tariff. I mean, anyway, we should

17:14

stop talking about it. I'm sure everybody's

17:16

sick to death of it. So it's

17:18

Friday afternoon, it's a lot more. a

17:20

lot more navigating and listen like you

17:23

said we we're talking so much about

17:25

automotive and that's what seems to be

17:27

mostly in the news because they employ

17:29

so many people and there's huge manufacturing

17:32

facilities and it's a 120 year old

17:34

ish industry but you know Nike for

17:36

example spent a decade and I don't

17:38

know how much money getting out of

17:41

China to Bangladesh simply because of tariffs

17:43

and now it's all going to hit

17:45

again because You know, they're going, well,

17:47

we were sort of immune to this

17:50

for a long time, and now they're

17:52

going, not anymore, make your shoes and.

17:54

Yeah, Vietnam, my last Nike's came from

17:56

Vietnam. Yeah, so they're, you know, now

17:58

they're gonna have to, you know, yeah,

18:01

make them in Texas or Arkansas or

18:03

something like that. That's one of my

18:05

favorite things. This is a tangent, but

18:07

it's one of my favorite things, this

18:10

is a tangent, but it's one of

18:12

my favorite things, like we didn't even

18:14

order something, like, I ordered some new

18:16

Nike, and it's like, and that's still

18:19

cheaper than having the made. in China

18:21

with the tariffs. I mean, but you

18:23

know, and, and, you know, we're talking

18:25

about luxury items for the most part,

18:28

like essentially a car and working its

18:30

way, every, I, you know, I don't

18:32

know what watch company is even made

18:34

in the US, but every, every watch

18:36

that you wear is probably outside of

18:39

this country. Do we have any American

18:41

watches? I don't even know if we

18:43

do. Well, do you mean posh watches,

18:45

for the most part? If it's something

18:48

really cheap, it's probably made in China.

18:50

And if it's, you know, and it's,

18:52

I mean, if it's, I mean, everybody

18:54

buys Swiss, right, because that's part of

18:57

the, part of the gig, and yeah,

18:59

they've already got, and the thing is,

19:01

I'm a bit of a watch geek,

19:03

and they've already got up, they've already

19:06

gone up like 30% to whatever in

19:08

the last four or five years, so

19:10

it's, you know, it's kind of like

19:12

we're, we're, we're, we're, Your $8,000 watch

19:14

or your $180,000 watch if it goes

19:17

up 25%? Some people, it's gonna feel

19:19

like it's a badge of honor that

19:21

I just spent $200,000 on a watch

19:23

instead of $170. But you say that,

19:26

but how many watches do you think

19:28

Rolex makes a year? A lot. I

19:30

think Rolex makes a lot compared to...

19:32

It's well over a million. Last time

19:35

I was two. I think it's a

19:37

bit of a secret, but it's getting

19:39

on for two million, I think. So

19:41

when you say it's like a luxury...

19:44

Good, it is, but like, they make

19:46

about two, you know, two million relics

19:48

a year. So, anyway, should we talk

19:50

about Yedmin Jujos, because otherwise we're going

19:52

to get into that. We're going to

19:55

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19:57

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21:01

here we are. Now, Reese, thank you

21:04

for putting up with that. Yeah, yeah.

21:06

That was us rambling about with no

21:08

real answers. We really have no answers.

21:11

Rules were put in place. The only

21:13

answer we have is collector cars 25

21:15

years and older. you're pretty much the

21:18

same. That's the only reason. If that's

21:20

the gig and that's how the way

21:22

to save, what's your what's your 25

21:24

year old tipple for 40 grand then?

21:27

Put it on this spot. If the

21:29

average transaction price is what? $48,000 dollars

21:31

a car? What do we buy? That's

21:34

25 years old and avoids the tariffs.

21:36

I don't know, but I like Matt's

21:38

idea of getting it fixed in the

21:41

country you buy it and before you

21:43

bring it. That's a genuinely solid advice.

21:45

all get it all done there. Actually,

21:48

before even the tariffs, we did that

21:50

years ago with one of Adam Krollos

21:52

cars. He had purchased a Paul Newman

21:54

car and it came from an estate,

21:57

somewhere in the UK. It came from,

21:59

I'll remember the guy's name at some

22:01

point, but he's kind of the Bruce

22:04

Ken above of the UK, Don Law.

22:06

Do you know Don Law? Don Law

22:08

racing, his son races quite a bit

22:11

as well. Yeah, they're raced and they're

22:13

raced some Jackson stuff. And yeah, he's

22:15

really big into the XJ 220, the

22:18

racing versions of it. And so this,

22:20

some other estate that had the car,

22:22

this Paul Newman, this 300 ZX Nissan,

22:24

they sent it to Don Law. Don

22:27

had restored it and it was very

22:29

funny because he was like when we

22:31

talked about the phone he's like this

22:34

has a proper restoration not an American

22:36

restoration he's like it's a very posh

22:38

as you'd say British restoration we did

22:41

it right I was like okay yeah

22:43

because the British British Motrin has been

22:45

a real success story of the right

22:48

right so we We had, when we

22:50

had it out there, we basically said,

22:52

go ahead and finish the car, do

22:54

it there, bring it to Goodwood, we'll

22:57

fly out, animal race it on the

22:59

hill climb, and then just, you know,

23:01

send it home when it's ready. You

23:04

know, just like exactly what you're talking

23:06

about, just had it all done there.

23:08

By the way, if we'd known with

23:11

the tariffs and everything at the time,

23:13

that would have been the way to

23:15

do it. I think being to be

23:18

a five series or something from that

23:20

area is rather nice. So maybe you

23:22

do that 20, 20, there's your way

23:24

forward. Yeah, something fun, M6, M3. Yeah,

23:27

what are you, six cylinder M3 in

23:29

that area? Oh, we could go on

23:31

and on. Yeah. That might create a

23:34

spike in the market, actually, if you

23:36

think about it, sorry, no, we go

23:38

do. one more thing and twice and

23:41

I promise or should up I'm just

23:43

thinking in real time so is there

23:45

like a tipping point where like so

23:48

if it's 25 years so a 1999

23:50

car is the one to buy but

23:52

a 2000 isn't unless right so E36

23:54

so E36 I think ended in 99

23:57

right yeah I went I went on

23:59

the launch of the V8 version of

24:01

Horeth in Spain yeah I yeah so

24:04

so so I had a 99 E36

24:06

and then Was it technically a year

24:08

off and then the E46? Yeah, I

24:11

think it was 2001 when the E46

24:13

came back. So E36, you're good to

24:15

go. And right now, E46, you'd be

24:17

no good if you're bringing one. If

24:20

you're being a propagate. Yeah. Yeah. There's

24:22

a lot of smarter people than us

24:24

trying to work this. There's a lot

24:27

of smarter advice from Edmunds. There you

24:29

go. Get yourself a six cylinder M3

24:31

from 1999, but not 2000. From Germany

24:34

or somewhere in Europe and bringing here.

24:36

I mean, you can obviously just buy

24:38

it here and solve all your problems.

24:41

But if you want one from over

24:43

there, there's probably something a little bit

24:45

more you need that we don't have

24:47

here. There's a lot of smarter people

24:50

than us trying to work this out.

24:52

But anyway. Tell me about what you

24:54

do for a living. So yeah, I

24:57

do instrumented testing over to Edmonds. I

24:59

do all of the fun stuff. We

25:01

go to the test track, I think

25:04

40 weeks a year, and I spend

25:06

my days doing zero to 60, quarter

25:08

mile breaking, handling tests. Yeah, getting all

25:11

the good numbers for all of the

25:13

cars that Edmonds reviews and tests. Occasionally

25:15

I drive you drags videos with Alistair.

25:17

We do a lot of EV testing.

25:20

Yeah, lots of fun stuff. That sounds

25:22

super fun, although Alistair always comes back

25:24

from you jags, you drags going, it's

25:27

so hot, I can't take it. I

25:29

don't know what car I'm driving, there's

25:31

so many, and I'm out. He's not

25:34

used to this, the desert, I guess.

25:36

No, but it's like 100. You said

25:38

that we did the last one. The

25:41

last one was okay. Yeah. You were

25:43

there though for the previous one. You

25:45

didn't drive me there. It was like

25:47

115 or something insane. Oh no, I

25:50

was changing a tire on the long-term

25:52

F-150 hybrid. Because the one car that

25:54

broke down was not one that was

25:57

racing. So we got lucky. All right.

25:59

When you go out to the test

26:01

track, I meant to ask this before,

26:04

when you go out to the test

26:06

track and put the car through the

26:08

gamut for all of the data that

26:11

goes into the big Edmonds data pool,

26:13

how long does it usually take to

26:15

test one vehicle? And then how many

26:17

do you guys usually do multiple in

26:20

a day or do you try to

26:22

like block out like a weekend or

26:24

like a four or five day during

26:27

the week period and just hammer as

26:29

many as you can? Or how does

26:31

that work? So we're out like at

26:34

the test track one day a week

26:36

and we're usually testing five to eight

26:38

cars on average because there's me and

26:41

two other test drivers that do most

26:43

of it. The time at the test

26:45

track is really only an hour but

26:47

we usually spend two weeks with a

26:50

vehicle. which is great because we can

26:52

take it home, drive it on roads

26:54

that we're familiar with, take it up

26:57

to the mountains. Like we're all lucky

26:59

enough to live in Sokal where the

27:01

weather's great year round. So the actual

27:04

like instrumented testing is just like one

27:06

day at the track. But yeah, so

27:08

much of what we do is just

27:10

over two weeks with the car. Okay.

27:13

And then I saw. recently we can

27:15

get into some of the vehicles that

27:17

you've done recently and maybe something that

27:20

you that you like or is kind

27:22

of stands out but we've been kind

27:24

of picking on the Dodge Charger EV

27:27

a little bit only because it's not

27:29

necessarily performing you know it's not living

27:31

up to the, you know, the, the

27:34

mayor of Muscleville or whatever, Goldberg's commercial

27:36

was, the, this Muscle Car status that

27:38

they built the brand on. But you

27:40

brought it out there against a challenger,

27:43

is that right? Oh, this is the,

27:45

yeah, so it's two things, we talked,

27:47

there's the Edmunds, you drags, but we

27:50

didn't rather challenges there, but we have

27:52

just done a separate video with the,

27:54

where we had an old VHR, you

27:57

know, V8 to, to, to, to, to,

27:59

to, to compare and contrast and. Yeah

28:01

it's just giving people an insight into

28:04

what are you know the differences of

28:06

the EV and it's that charger as

28:08

we talked about is a bit of

28:10

a bit of a work in progress

28:13

and we own one now so we're

28:15

gonna kind of live that journey a

28:17

little bit. We talked a little bit

28:20

about on the show a couple of

28:22

weeks ago where we'd had some and

28:24

now that video is published so if

28:27

you watch the Charger Daytona against the

28:29

Mustang Mac E g T film which

28:31

is that's a you drags video right

28:34

that's the you drags video has just

28:36

gone live on our channel and then

28:38

the charger EV versus the Challenger gas

28:40

engine is not a you is not

28:43

a you drag that's just a partly

28:45

because we couldn't find one in time

28:47

for you drags for Falkanda but you

28:50

want to create something you got you

28:52

want to yeah exactly go head-to-head with

28:54

them compare them we we we wanted

28:57

it but they Yeah, we had a

28:59

big, big moment if you watch the

29:01

film. It's actually looks more dramatic now.

29:04

I've seen like it cut from different

29:06

angles, but basically it hit the brakes

29:08

and then as it tipped over into

29:10

just on like we always try and

29:13

break like to a threshold so not

29:15

necessarily like just jumping on the ABS,

29:17

but then see like I think the

29:20

point at which it was transitioning from

29:22

regen breaking into physical breaking and also

29:24

perhaps triggering also some of the ABS

29:27

senses and things like that suddenly kind

29:29

of locked up the rear end and

29:31

pretty much spat me into recess at

29:34

best part of 100 miles an hour,

29:36

which was not cricket as they say.

29:38

Wow. Okay. Yeah, it was pretty harrowing

29:40

because I felt some issues with the

29:43

brain. and then I was in Alston

29:45

and I saw cars and then I

29:47

get to see how the car reacts

29:50

from his angle on him. Oh yeah

29:52

there's there's an issue with it. You

29:54

probably look more leery from your driver's

29:57

seat than mine because like when you're

29:59

in it you just sort of like

30:01

instinctively deal with it or don't deal

30:03

with it and then it feels okay

30:06

whereas probably like I'd probably have had

30:08

more of a kind of brown pan

30:10

moment if I'd been following. Oh yeah

30:13

you can see it in the video

30:15

the charger. jukes over right nearly into

30:17

my lane. Not all the way. Alster

30:20

corrects and saves it, but it's not

30:22

fun. It suddenly turns 30 degrees right.

30:24

If you look at the video. Wow.

30:27

And then you guys switch cars. This

30:29

is the thing that came out that

30:31

always kind of was funny to me.

30:33

Somebody a friend brought it up years

30:36

ago. It's like, you know, people would

30:38

like open a fridge and Like, maybe

30:40

open milk and be like, oh, this,

30:43

you know, this is terrible. Like, something's

30:45

wrong with this and go, try this

30:47

milk or, or smell this milk. Like,

30:50

well, if it's terrible, why am I

30:52

to do it? So you guys go

30:54

out there, you get in the EV,

30:57

Alistair, and the Charger EV, and you're

30:59

like, the brakes are not good, something's

31:01

off, something's dangerous, Reese, you should drive

31:03

it. All right, so what's you doing?

31:06

It's a him going, all right, well,

31:08

let's put the boss of the car

31:10

going, this thing just scared the hell

31:13

out of me. You should drive it

31:15

and see what happens. You can totally

31:17

see how like, I mean, look, I'm

31:20

not pretending that what we're doing is

31:22

like massively dangerous or anything like that,

31:24

but you can totally see like, like,

31:27

old fashioned stunt men, the evil cannivals

31:29

and stuff, like when you've got like

31:31

a million people, All right, so what

31:33

have you had out on the test

31:36

track that caught your interest? Was maybe

31:38

did better than you thought? Allisoner, for

31:40

example, brought up several times now the

31:43

Ionic 5N. Just what a fun car

31:45

to, you know, when you put it

31:47

in, it's, it's whatever, it's beast mode.

31:50

It's, especially compared to the charger EV,

31:52

it's probably what the charger EV should

31:54

have been, but is, the charger didn't

31:57

live up to it. But what stands

31:59

out for you that you've had out

32:01

there? I mean, if we were talking

32:03

about the Ionic social performance EV for

32:06

me right now. It's big, but it

32:08

drives and feels like a big hot

32:10

hatch to me. And I love hot

32:13

hatches. I had a Volkswagen GTI before

32:15

my Mercedes. And it just does everything

32:17

well, but it's not trying to emulate

32:20

a gas car. I mean, it does

32:22

with the fake shifting a little bit,

32:24

but it really is its own thing.

32:27

So, former TVs are great, but we've

32:29

had a lot of good stuff. We

32:31

had a... Ruby's Neo Ruby Star BMW

32:33

M4 out of the track. We had

32:36

a M2. We had a base portion

32:38

9-11 career, which was fantastic. I know

32:40

we've had a lot of good stuff

32:43

at the this time of year. It's

32:45

not too hot at the test track,

32:47

so we try to work in as

32:50

much as we can. Yeah. Should we

32:52

discuss a car that like we did?

32:54

I just spent last weekend in recent,

32:56

I don't know whether you drove it

32:59

at the tribe, but we the C,

33:01

did you do the GLC AmG? Yeah,

33:03

I've been at the GLC 63, I

33:06

spent last weekend in it with the

33:08

family and I thought this is going

33:10

to go up with the family and

33:13

I've got to go up to Solvang

33:15

which is a lovely part of the

33:17

world and you know do some proper

33:20

miles and it's the play it's the

33:22

hybrid, there's the hybrid, there's a lot

33:24

of high bread, there's a lot of

33:26

tech going, there's a lot of tech

33:29

going, there's a lot of tech going,

33:31

there's a lot of tech going, there's

33:33

a lot of tech going, there's a

33:36

lot of tech going, there's a lot

33:38

of tech going, and I just like,

33:40

and I just like, and I just

33:43

like a lot of tech going, It's

33:45

heavy, it doesn't feel that fast. It's

33:47

hard, you know, it doesn't sound very

33:50

good. If you want to keep the

33:52

battery charged and you've got the engine

33:54

running almost like a generator and it

33:56

really doesn't sound good. and it just

33:59

it just left me cold I was

34:01

like I like the GLC but I

34:03

just buy a GLC 350 and be

34:06

done with it you know it's just

34:08

AMG like that you want to get

34:10

into it every morning and feel special

34:13

and just didn't I don't know what

34:15

did you did you think that same

34:17

thing at the track race? No I

34:20

have the exact same thing I it's

34:22

immensely quick if you've got it and

34:24

launch control in a full battery but

34:26

I'm just not in love with any

34:29

of the Mercedes-like plug-in hybrid stuff right

34:31

now. The old GLC, 63, had that

34:33

wonderful four-liter V8 from AMG. And this

34:36

new one is way more powerful, more

34:38

efficient, but has like no character. It's

34:40

just not fun. And AMGs used to

34:43

have a lot of personality. And the

34:45

new ones are quick. but kind of

34:47

milk toasted to me. And I just,

34:50

I don't know, they've lost a lot

34:52

of that joy. Who is doing the

34:54

hybrid correctly? Is there a, is somebody

34:56

doing the hybrid fun? I mean, now

34:59

you're talking about like an AMG version

35:01

of a car, which we don't really

35:03

have like a, you know, we don't

35:06

have like a, like a, Toyota version

35:08

of AMG hybrid that makes it kind

35:10

of fun. Like who's doing it? Who's

35:13

doing it right? Who's getting the performance

35:15

hybrid done correctly? I was going to

35:17

say like the best use for hybrid

35:20

mode seems to be something like a

35:22

camera where you've just got like a

35:24

nice everyday system that gives you good

35:26

gas mileage and suits the car. Like

35:29

we haven't we haven't had the GTS

35:31

9-11 in yet that's we've driven it

35:33

abroad we haven't driven it in the

35:36

US yet I mean that you know

35:38

people are saying good things about that

35:40

I think the new 9-11 turbo is

35:43

going to have a hybrid as well

35:45

but that's a 240 so I mean

35:47

we had the NSX you know a

35:49

few years ago it was but it

35:52

didn't blow anyone's minds right like it

35:54

was a cool car and it's fun

35:56

to drive but it didn't it didn't

36:00

you know, blown in one's minds. And

36:02

you can get into a few super

36:04

car, hybrid, whatever, P1 or something. But

36:06

that's not what we're really talking about.

36:09

Is somebody doing something in the hybrid

36:11

world that's under 100 grand? 100 grand?

36:13

Corbett, E-ray? Okay. But that's a weird,

36:16

yeah, it's a weird car, isn't it?

36:18

It's like, it's a weird one, but

36:20

like, I think that's a pretty. I

36:23

think they executed on what Accure was

36:25

trying to do with the MSX better,

36:27

and it, you know, a decade more

36:30

development than Accure had with that car,

36:32

but it does the like mid-engine hybrid

36:34

super car thing just a little bit

36:36

better. I mean, you're starting with the

36:39

good chassis with the C8, but with

36:41

the Corvete. Is it a weird one

36:43

because the Corvette lineup has good stuff

36:46

in it? What if there was just

36:48

a C8 and there was no Z06

36:50

and no ZR1 and you just had

36:53

C8 and you had E-ray and E-ray

36:55

was the performance model? Would you still

36:57

be saying it's the weird one or

37:00

is it the weird one because the

37:02

Z06 is so good? Yeah, probably. And

37:04

also it's a bit softer than the

37:07

06, isn't it? 06 a bit more

37:09

focused. It's also a bit of a

37:11

weird hybrid in that it's not really,

37:13

it's a hybrid, but it doesn't really

37:16

play on it. So it doesn't do

37:18

like electric drive and stuff. So it

37:20

doesn't do the hybridy drive and stuff.

37:23

So it doesn't do the hybridy stuff.

37:25

It just basically gives you more, more

37:27

omph. I think I was traveling. I

37:30

was traveling too. Okay, so M5 potentially,

37:32

right? Massively heavy though, it's just, it's

37:34

just so, it's just so heavy. I

37:37

think hybrids make a ton of sense

37:39

on a Honda Civic, you know, Toyota

37:41

Camry, I'm all for that. I think

37:43

that's just, that is, that is, that

37:46

is the future. I think just something

37:48

like this GLC, where you... I mean,

37:50

it only does like a few miles

37:53

on electricity alone. So then you either

37:55

have to use the engine as a

37:57

generator or you're plugging it in just

38:00

to get a few miles, it just

38:02

doesn't really add up. And then you're

38:04

paying 100 grand for like a pretty

38:07

average two litre four cylinder that doesn't

38:09

sound very good. It's just the Porsche,

38:11

the GTS, which is hybrid. That's what

38:14

an electric motor on the turbo and

38:16

electric motor on the transmissions, like two

38:18

or three. I don't I don't recall

38:20

all the specs on it, but I

38:23

don't even know does that even move

38:25

under its own power without the gas

38:27

engine or is it like what you're

38:30

saying? The engine has to be running

38:32

and then the hybrid just, you know,

38:34

makes up for some turbo lag and

38:37

some other things. I'm not saying it's

38:39

not going to be awesome. It probably

38:41

will because of the benchmark that Porsche

38:44

is setting, but I, you know, If

38:46

you get to a stop light and

38:48

the engine shuts off with the annoying

38:50

start stop feature everything has will the

38:53

Porsche move forward on its with electric

38:55

motor like the NSX did? It hasn't

38:57

really got much battery has it so

39:00

I can't imagine if it does it

39:02

be a tiny bit. I imagine it's

39:04

probably going to be like the NSX

39:07

where you've got very short distances for

39:09

maybe 20 miles an hour and then

39:11

the gas engine will kick on. Yeah.

39:14

I think I think the key thing

39:16

between like with. The GTS versus something

39:18

like the GLC is, the GLC is

39:21

a plug-in hybrid where the Porsche is

39:23

just using electrification to boost the performance

39:25

of the gas engine and not trying

39:27

to rely on it to drive the

39:30

entire vehicle. And I think that compromise

39:32

is really what's kind of holding the

39:34

GLC back. It just needs to be

39:37

good at one thing instead of trying

39:39

to be two power trains at once.

39:41

Yeah. And I think like the 9-11

39:44

turbo with a hybrid system is going

39:46

to be... You know, it's going to

39:48

be extraordinary because you just have all

39:51

that low-end talk with all that. It's

39:53

just it's just going to be mighty.

39:55

But to be honest, as Reese was

39:57

saying, like 9-11-career, buy the careror, or

40:00

the careror. and you're probably done. There's

40:02

so many good options like in that

40:04

particular lineup. Although if they're all going

40:07

to go up a chunk of change

40:09

they're already expensive they're just going to

40:11

get more expensive. Yeah. Now BM5 will

40:14

be interesting because there is a benchmark

40:16

set by BMW like yes we keep

40:18

saying it's heavy and it's heavy and

40:21

it's heavy and I'm sure you're going

40:23

to feel that but it can't just

40:25

be bland like it has to be

40:28

something more special than a than a

40:30

five series and a five series is

40:32

pretty nice. We should get you back

40:34

on this, we should have a debate,

40:37

maybe we could spend a whole hour

40:39

on like peak car. I remember Jim

40:41

Farley Ford CEO saying about my old

40:44

9-11, he said that was peak analog

40:46

car, and I was like, I like

40:48

that, I'm gonna keep, I'm gonna, I'm

40:51

gonna, you know, I'm gonna use that

40:53

one Jim, I thought that was a

40:55

good line, and you know, we would

40:58

be a good debate and maybe be

41:00

good debate and maybe we should like,

41:02

like, like, peak car because I am

41:04

slightly nervous at the moment that we're

41:07

getting past it that everything's getting like

41:09

big heavy just too electronic just too

41:11

too much go too much going on

41:14

strangled by legislation strangled by you know

41:16

politics here there and everywhere so you

41:18

know are we past peak car I'd

41:21

be bad news for our podcast if

41:23

we are but it's It's being good.

41:25

Maybe we'll have it. Maybe I'll think

41:28

about that for a future show. Maybe

41:30

if you're listening and you want to

41:32

like throw in some commentary or whatever

41:35

on social, whatever, we'll it doesn't have

41:37

to be a fully analog car. But

41:39

we're getting so far away from an

41:41

analog car. Is there something that falls

41:44

in there that is really good? You

41:46

know, we were talking about M3's a

41:48

minute ago was Was the six-cylinder M3

41:51

the end of the best of the

41:53

M3 or was the V8 one? Really

41:55

good. I remember driving the V8 and

41:58

thinking, oh this is big and heavy.

42:00

I always remember that launch because I

42:02

also crushed one of those C1. Remember

42:04

the C1, that little gescooter thing, a

42:06

little like maybe with a roof? Yeah,

42:09

I crushed one of those on the

42:11

launch. They said, oh, just go and

42:13

have a play with this and I

42:15

did and then it had like the

42:17

central gravity was so high that I

42:19

fell over in it. Anyway. Well, your

42:21

center of gravity seems to be pretty

42:23

high. And then they went, you know,

42:25

I remember being in the, in the,

42:27

in the circuit hospital at her death,

42:30

being checked out because I'd crashed and

42:32

be into C1. Anyway. Real quick, though,

42:34

you drags. What. What have you done out

42:36

there Reese that was particularly fun that that

42:38

really kind of blew your mind now? You

42:40

drags is different because you really get to

42:42

bring out some of the best of the

42:44

best when we look at the leaderboard of

42:46

you drags There's some pretty impressive

42:48

things out there from from McLarens and

42:51

porches and and all kinds of stuff

42:53

and I'm not saying that that's what

42:55

your favorite is but stands the reason it

42:57

might be well you call that I think just the

42:59

most fun I've had in a

43:01

single u-drags race was when

43:03

we had the McLaren 765

43:05

LT out there. I think

43:07

until Alistair got in the

43:09

lucid Sapphire, it was the

43:12

leader of the u-drags leaderboard.

43:14

Yeah, that thing's just amazing.

43:16

And, you know, it does all

43:18

of the cool things you want

43:20

from a like sports car.

43:22

It's like, what I imagine

43:24

sports cars were as a

43:26

kid, the doors go up, it's

43:28

got like a... big turbocharged V8

43:31

engine, it goes 160 miles an

43:33

hour down there, which is just

43:35

insane on that track. Yeah, that's

43:38

a good one. I still miss

43:40

our old GT500, that thing

43:43

was just a charmer. I

43:45

never, never the quickest thing

43:48

because it always had traction

43:51

issues, but I've always put

43:53

a smile on your face.

43:55

Yeah, I was just looking down that later by

43:57

765 I remember driving it on the road

43:59

is way too much car for the

44:02

road, but like, but it is everything,

44:04

right, it's like when you were kid,

44:06

used to become, was Athena Reverend America

44:08

was Athena a thing? It used to

44:11

be a poster shop and you used

44:13

to go and buy like posters for

44:15

your bedroom wall. They went bust eventually,

44:17

but it was like, out here it

44:19

wasn't called that. I think Spencer's, like

44:22

Spencer's Gifts, we had that and they

44:24

had the poster, yeah, used to flick

44:26

through those plastic, like, put it on

44:28

your bedroom wall. You know I don't

44:30

think McLaren gets enough credit and that every

44:33

time I ask somebody even when people ask

44:35

me to like oh what's the what's the

44:37

most fun you've had in a car

44:39

and I was like McLaren 720 yes you

44:42

know it's like 765 like I get it

44:44

I liked it but we had the

44:46

one that has kind of the uncomfortable seats

44:48

and the ride was a little rough but

44:51

now I haven't driven the 750 but

44:53

the 750 is probably the car you want

44:55

right it's kind of the best of both

44:57

worlds yeah but it's so many people That's

44:59

the best driving car. That is so much

45:02

fun. Like you can drive it here and

45:04

you can go nuts with it on a

45:06

track and it's such a good car. And you

45:08

know, you don't really hear that. I

45:10

just don't hear it a lot with

45:12

Ferrari and all this stuff. You hear

45:14

Porsche is always great. But at the

45:16

top of the leaderboard, if you will,

45:18

not just the you drags video, just

45:20

in fun driving cool car. That McLaren

45:22

is up there. The other one just

45:25

looking down the list that

45:27

I completely agree that everything

45:29

that Reese has said But

45:31

like the seventh fastest car

45:33

Z06 just ahead of the the

45:35

the array That for me. It's just

45:37

the noise of the thing. I mean,

45:39

it's a Ferrari basis. It's a Ferrari

45:41

with a GM badge. It's but it's

45:43

bad. I think it's a mega mega

45:45

mega thing and we're driving the

45:47

Z. I want pretty soon pretty soon

45:50

and I'm excited by the Z. The

45:52

most surprising on that list, though, was

45:54

probably the lucid, right? Because you knew it

45:56

was going to be fast in a straight line,

45:58

but that's not what the. two drags is,

46:01

is not just straight line.

46:03

It's 1.7 seconds faster around

46:05

the course than at the

46:07

765 LT, which is

46:09

mind-blowing. Absolutely. I mean, the turbo,

46:12

Tycan turbo GT was only, you

46:14

know, a little bit slower, but

46:16

this is extraordinarily

46:19

that thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's a

46:21

huge gap at that track, where

46:23

most of the times are around

46:25

35 seconds. It's that lucid is

46:28

just... like properly quick. Did you

46:30

drive it, Reese? Not at the U

46:32

drags, but I drove it at the test

46:34

track and then around town here. And how

46:36

did you like it at the test

46:38

track? Because again, we think EV, we

46:41

think it's heavy and it doesn't stop

46:43

well and it can't really turn, but

46:45

that doesn't necessarily seem to be the

46:47

case. But it's also like a quarter

46:49

of a million dollars though, right? Well,

46:52

yeah, that's the thing. With that much

46:54

money, they can engineer the hell out

46:56

of it. It does a lot of

46:58

the stuff that I really like from

47:00

like the Hyundai, I, Onc5N where it's

47:03

just like, they utilize the

47:05

electric motors to make it

47:07

sporty without trying to make it

47:09

feel like a like gas power

47:11

car. But it breaks and turns,

47:13

unlike something like, you know, Tesla

47:15

Model is plaid, which is only

47:17

good when we installed the track package

47:19

on it with the brakes and

47:21

tires, but the lucid, lucid's great

47:24

from the get go. And they

47:26

really. they changed the drive modes on

47:28

it because that was one of the things

47:30

with our long-term grand touring the stability control

47:32

was really aggressive so getting it around the

47:34

corner you drags was kind of a pain

47:36

but they seemed to have loosened that up

47:39

with the sapphire it really it feels like

47:41

a nice cohesive product it's a real way

47:43

depends which really look at the price just

47:45

the plot is what the plot is just

47:47

over a hundred ground with attack pack so

47:49

that's like great value relative to lucid but

47:51

then we put the lucid next to McLaren

47:53

and it's like half the price so yeah

47:55

it depends which way it's gonna I mean

47:57

I think we just like set now that

48:00

going Unless, the only one that I

48:02

think from the gas world that can

48:04

beat this, you know, the ZR1 has

48:06

got a chance, no question, it's got

48:08

a thousand horsepower, it's mid-engined,

48:11

although it's only Real Drive,

48:13

remember, so as long as we get

48:15

itself off the line, that is a, that

48:17

is the only one that I think

48:19

looking at this list that could get

48:22

close, I'm not sure it's gonna.

48:24

And then maybe Zora after that.

48:26

Sure, it's going to win and Zora

48:28

after that, because the Zora's going to

48:30

be all-wheel drive. So that's got to

48:32

be the one, but I'm not even

48:35

sure the CR1's going to be 27.9, just

48:37

because it just, you know, especially

48:39

coming off the corner, that instant

48:41

talk, all-wheel drive. It's just all

48:43

about how that Corvex put its power

48:46

down. Yeah. All right, listen, we're at a

48:48

time. I know we've got to run and

48:50

jump on to some other things, but Reese,

48:52

you got to come on again. Alistair, I

48:55

agree. I think we should get some

48:57

questions in. We'll have you email,

48:59

the Carcaste, email, and I think it's

49:01

Carcast Show at Gmail, and maybe we

49:04

can do it on social media as

49:06

well. Let's get some questions in about

49:08

some of this stuff as well, and

49:10

maybe have you come back, and we

49:13

can get into some of these. you know

49:15

I like the idea of what what is the

49:17

what is the last great car you know

49:19

because we're getting a little complicated

49:21

with some of these things now

49:23

you know they and oh and

49:25

they beep too much there's just

49:28

everything just beeps okay so we

49:30

need parameters like we need we need

49:32

this this is there's a whole thing

49:34

in this maybe there's a YouTube video

49:36

and this there's a whole there's a

49:39

whole we're gonna have to come on

49:41

with it with your parameters it's like

49:43

It's not going to beep. At least

49:45

less beeping. It's just like, just

49:47

getting in the cars now, there's

49:50

just everything is beeping and screaming

49:52

at me. I was like, what's happening?

49:54

Geez. Like, yeah, we're going to have

49:56

to come up with something. Yeah. Maybe

49:58

we shoot a little. you know,

50:00

social media video going, now

50:03

we want your questions. This

50:05

is what we're looking for.

50:08

I think it's going to

50:10

be fine. Submit your

50:13

stuff. And if you've

50:15

got questions, write us

50:17

in and we'll figure it

50:19

out. But it'll be fun.

50:21

All right, guys, I know

50:23

there's another meeting to

50:25

go to. Thanks so much.

50:28

Where's the leaderboard? It's at Edmonds Edmonds.com/you

50:30

drags There you go. There's the leaderboard. It's

50:32

fun to see that thing because new cars

50:34

will keep popping up and you guys get

50:36

them in We'll see how they go. All

50:39

right guys. Thanks so much until next time

50:41

keep the air and the spare and the

50:43

bag in the wheel