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evening. I'm Maurice Dubois. John Dickerson

1:25

is in Rome and at this

1:28

hour, mourners are filing past the

1:30

coffin of Pope Francis inside St.

1:32

Peter's Basilica. Since the viewing began

1:34

yesterday, the line has been so

1:36

long, the doors are being kept

1:38

open well past the scheduled midnight

1:40

closing. The basilica shut down for

1:42

only an hour early this morning for

1:45

cleaning. Cardinals from around the world

1:47

continue to arrive. They will be

1:49

meeting next month to choose a new Pope.

1:51

And John, they say all roads lead to Rome, and it

1:53

looks like at least one of them begins

1:55

in New York. Indeed,

1:59

Maurice, we traveled more

2:01

than 4 ,000 miles to Rome and

2:03

wound up bumping into the priest

2:05

from around the block. It's a

2:07

small world drawn closer by Pope

2:09

Francis, and for the church to

2:11

thrive, it has to stay that way.

2:18

As Catholics and the curious

2:20

from around the world converged

2:22

on Rome, we stopped by

2:24

St. Patrick's Catholic American Parish

2:26

to talk to the rector

2:28

who looked familiar. Welcome to St. Patrick's.

2:30

Come on in. We were bonding

2:32

over the choir at St. Paul the

2:34

Apostle in New York City. Do you recognize

2:37

this song where he had been a

2:39

priest, my priest, for

2:41

three years? Now Father

2:43

Matt Barrios is watching the church

2:45

he loves turn a page. What

2:47

are you looking for in the next pope? A

2:49

shepherd, first and foremost. A man that

2:51

can listen, a man that

2:53

can lead, but a man that knows

2:55

how to be humble. Why is humility

2:57

so important? Because that is

3:00

a pure imitation of Jesus.

3:02

Being a leader is not about vaunting

3:04

yourself. It's not about putting

3:07

your name on buildings and proclaiming

3:09

yourself. It's about putting

3:11

yourself in love at the service

3:13

and care of others, especially of

3:15

the most vulnerable. Clay sounds like your

3:17

description of Pope Francis. Absolutely. The

3:19

shepherd must smell like the sheep,

3:22

Pope Francis said, and all day

3:24

long, the flock has gathered as

3:26

bells pealed, the rain fell to

3:28

celebrate his push to put his

3:30

life, his office, and his church

3:32

among the people. Not

3:35

everyone embraced Francis' style,

3:37

yet in a church

3:39

short on priests and

3:41

losing parishioners, his

3:43

authenticity, his joy, his

3:45

humility, wasn't just holy,

3:47

says Father Matt. It was

3:49

necessary. Does the church have

3:51

to find a balance that allows it to be

3:53

more accessible for people in a modern world? I

3:56

think so. It's trying to

3:58

find the fundamental proclamation of

4:00

faith and proclaim it in a way that

4:02

is in the language of the

4:05

everyday person spoken in the language of

4:07

the culture. Some people

4:09

we spoke with here say Pope

4:11

Francis made the church feel close.

4:13

So close he could call himself

4:15

the world's parish priest. The

4:18

task for the church now? Finding

4:20

a pope who nurtures that same

4:22

feeling, where it's possible to

4:24

run into your neighborhood priest in Rome

4:26

and have it feel like more

4:28

than a coincidence. What

4:30

a moment there, John. 20 years ago

4:33

for John Paul's funeral, I remember walking

4:35

along the incredibly long lines of people

4:37

extending way out into the streets and

4:39

how quiet and reverent people were. What

4:41

are you seeing this time around? It

4:45

is exactly that, Maurice.

4:47

Over my shoulder is a

4:49

mass of people quietly

4:51

moving through the cordons. It's

4:53

so brightly lit, you expect some kind

4:55

of an event, a show, a sporting match

4:57

or something, and it is So

4:59

quiet. I mean, you can

5:01

almost hear the heels beating on

5:03

the travertine stone. Everyone is orderly, and

5:05

they're going to be there for

5:08

hours on the way to spend just

5:10

a few seconds with Pope Francis.

5:12

Unique scene there, John. OK, thank you

5:14

so much. And John, we'll be

5:16

back with more from Rome a little

5:18

bit later on in this broadcast. Well,

5:20

Russia launched a major attack

5:22

today on Kiev, pounding Ukraine's capital

5:25

for hours with missiles and

5:27

drones. At least 12 people were

5:29

killed in a rare rebuke of

5:31

President Putin. President Trump posted

5:33

that he was not happy with

5:35

the attack and Vladimir stopped. But

5:38

when asked later if Putin is an obstacle

5:40

to peace, Mr. Trump said, I

5:42

don't think so. And asked what

5:44

concessions Putin had made to end the

5:46

war, Mr. Trump said, not taking

5:48

all of Ukraine. Margaret Brennan

5:50

talked today with Sergei Lavrov for Sunday's

5:52

Face the Nation. Lavrov has been

5:54

Russia's foreign minister for more than 20

5:56

years. President Trump

5:58

has said publicly the

6:01

Russian strikes are not

6:03

necessary and very bad

6:05

timing. Vladimir Stop was

6:07

his quote. What made

6:09

it worth killing civilians when Ukraine

6:11

says it's ready for a ceasefire?

6:14

We only target military

6:16

goals. or

6:19

civilian sites used by

6:21

the military. So was

6:23

this an intentional attack then?

6:26

Not a mistake? If this

6:28

was a target

6:30

used by the Ukrainian

6:32

military, the Ministry

6:34

of Defense, the commanders in

6:36

the field have the right to attack them.

6:39

I want to ask you about what President Trump

6:41

said on Wednesday. The president

6:43

of the United States says he thinks

6:45

the U .S. and Russia have a

6:47

deal. Let's get it done. Does

6:49

President Putin agree? Well,

6:52

the president of the

6:54

United States believes, and

6:56

I think rightly so, that we are

6:58

moving in the right direction. The

7:00

statement by the president mentions

7:02

a deal and we are ready

7:05

to reach a deal, but

7:07

there are still some specific points,

7:10

elements of this deal, which

7:12

need to be fine tuned. And

7:14

we are busy with this

7:16

exact process. And

7:18

the president of the United States

7:20

did not spell out the elements of

7:22

the deal, so it is not

7:24

appropriate for me to do this. Margaret,

7:27

against this backdrop the president said in

7:29

the Oval Office today, you have no idea.

7:31

We're putting a lot of pressure on

7:33

Russia. Where does all of this leave his

7:35

effort to end the war that he

7:37

said he would end on day one? Well,

7:41

Maurice, tomorrow, President Trump's personal

7:43

envoy, Steve Wittkoff, is planning

7:45

to meet with Vladimir Putin

7:47

for a fourth time. Now,

7:49

despite what President Trump is

7:51

saying about concessions, at this

7:53

point, Vladimir Putin has not

7:55

offered to give up anything

7:57

concrete. In fact, Minister

7:59

Lavrov was quite clear

8:01

when it came to Crimea.

8:03

That's the territory Russia

8:05

seized back in 2014. Lavrov

8:08

said it is a done deal.

8:10

They will not give that territory

8:12

back. And that's a challenge

8:14

because Ukraine's President Zelensky said that if

8:16

they were to do so, it would

8:18

violate his constitution. So it seems the

8:20

two sides are pretty far apart. All

8:22

right, challenge the key word here. Margaret

8:24

Brennan in Washington, thank you. Now

8:27

more of the top stories from

8:29

around the world. In tonight's evening

8:31

news roundup, 24 year old Robert

8:33

Cremo III was sentenced today to

8:35

life without parole for the mass

8:37

shooting at a 2022 of

8:39

July parade in Highland Park,

8:41

Illinois, near Chicago. Seven people

8:43

were killed and dozens more

8:45

were wounded. In Poland,

8:47

thousands marched between the former Auschwitz

8:50

and Birkenau concentration camps in

8:52

what's called the March of the

8:54

Living. The annual event coincides

8:56

with Israel's remembrance of the 6

8:58

million Jews murdered by the

9:00

Nazis during World War II. And

9:03

spring kicks off the home

9:05

buying season, but the market is

9:07

soft this year. Home resales

9:09

were down nearly 6 % last

9:11

month, the slowest March since

9:13

2009. Skylar Henry reports one of

9:15

the hardest hit markets is Florida. My

9:19

reveal alone is sitting on what she

9:21

thought was real estate gold. This is

9:23

the master bedroom. and

9:25

we redid the floors, the

9:27

walls. She bought this two -bed,

9:29

two -bed condo near Fort

9:31

Lauderdale in 2021 for $145 ,000,

9:34

hoping to pounce on pandemic -era real estate

9:36

prices. This is really a great community

9:38

to live in. It's just not an

9:41

investment right now. No, it's not a

9:43

good one, at least. Fililona's

9:45

condo has been on the market since last

9:47

November. Despite spending $20 ,000

9:49

upgrading the kitchen and the

9:51

bathrooms, she's seen virtually no potential

9:53

buyers. We lower the price

9:56

this twice. Why is that?

9:58

Because it wasn't moving. Lots

10:01

of owners cannot sell because some

10:03

buyers have been scared off from a

10:05

surge in special assessment fees that

10:07

are used to make safety upgrades to

10:09

older condominiums. After a new state

10:12

law passed following the partial building collapse

10:14

of the Champlain Towers in Surfside

10:16

in 2021, Older buildings like

10:18

Filalonas that are three stories or

10:20

higher are now required to increase inspections

10:22

and build up a reserve to

10:24

fund restoration projects. The fees are

10:26

paid by the homeowners, which can

10:28

range in the tens to hundreds of

10:31

thousands of dollars. It happened to

10:33

me three times already. They changed

10:35

the assessments. When we're talking about dollars,

10:37

what's changed? Well, it

10:39

used to be 20. and

10:41

then they went to 35 and

10:43

now I owe over 50.

10:45

That's $50 ,000 she now owes. Villalona

10:48

says she isn't giving up on

10:50

finding a buyer, but for

10:52

now she's hoping to rent it. Looking

10:54

back on the decision that you made

10:57

in 2021, do you think you would

10:59

have still done it? Probably

11:01

not this one. Brokers

11:05

now say that mortgage giant

11:07

Fannie Mae has compiled a list

11:09

of more than a thousand

11:11

condo developments that are considered high

11:13

risk to secure a mortgage

11:16

and that's because buildings are either

11:18

under insured or have more

11:20

than repairs than they need, making

11:22

them harder to sell. Many

11:24

thanks Skyler Henry tonight. Still

11:26

ahead here on the CBS Evening News,

11:28

more from John Dickerson in Rome and

11:30

Rob Marciano on the huge wildfire in

11:32

New Jersey. And we'll have these stories.

11:35

I'm Usher Koreshi in New York. Non -profit

11:38

hospitals are supposed to offer help to

11:40

patients who can't pay. So why are

11:42

collection agents calling? Our stories

11:44

coming up. I'm Omar

11:46

Villafranca in Green Bay, Wisconsin,

11:48

home of the Packers. And when

11:50

this pro football Mecca pitch

11:52

to host the NFL Draft, the

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question was not, Why Green

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Bay, but why not Green Bay?

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That story in tonight's Eye

12:01

on America. Now

12:10

the rising cost of health care.

12:12

The American Medical Association says spending on

12:14

health care has taken its biggest

12:16

jump in two decades with the exception

12:18

of the pandemic year 2020. The

12:21

AMA says health care spending

12:23

in 2023 was up seven and

12:25

a half percent, nearly double

12:27

the overall inflation rate. Non

12:29

-profit hospitals get a tax exemption

12:31

for giving low -income patients free

12:33

or discounted care. But CBS

12:36

News has found hundreds of those

12:38

hospitals are suing patients who

12:40

cannot pay their bills. Here is

12:42

Usher Kureishi. You

12:44

are a honeybee. Six

12:46

years ago before starting her family,

12:48

Alexis Lewis worked two jobs to put

12:50

herself through nursing school. The

12:53

last thing she needed, a medical bill after

12:55

a night in the hospital for trouble breathing. And

12:57

you didn't have insurance at the time?

13:00

No. How much was it for? $6

13:02

,500, I believe. Did you

13:04

have the money? No, of course not.

13:06

It shouldn't have mattered because she'd

13:08

gone to a non -profit hospital, the

13:10

University of Tennessee Medical Center in Knoxville.

13:12

According to its own policy, a

13:14

single person making less than $52 ,000

13:16

a year, like Lewis, may qualify for

13:18

financial assistance known as charity care.

13:20

something she didn't know. And at no

13:22

point were you ever told by

13:24

the hospital that you might be eligible

13:26

for some sort of financial assistance

13:28

to pay off this debt. After

13:30

Lewis missed payments and the hospital

13:32

couldn't contact her, its collection agency

13:34

sued and she ended up in

13:36

this courtroom. A judge ordered

13:39

deductions from her paychecks go toward

13:41

her debt. Lewis is not alone.

13:43

CBS News found in one year

13:45

more than 400 non -profit hospitals

13:47

nationwide used debt collection tactics and

13:50

lawsuits trying to collect more than

13:52

800 million dollars from patients, patients

13:54

who should have qualified for charity

13:56

care. It is immoral to sue

13:58

patients who cannot afford their bills.

14:01

as a tax exempt hospital. Eli Rush

14:03

Banks is an attorney for the

14:05

non -profit Dollar Four, which helps patients

14:07

access charity care. He says the root

14:10

of the problem is knowledge. Patients

14:12

aren't aware financial help exists, so they

14:14

don't apply for it. He points

14:16

to many different reasons, including hospital terminology

14:18

that's confusing to patients. They don't

14:20

understand terminology like financial assistance or charity

14:22

care because those terms don't really

14:24

mean anything. They think that it's a

14:27

payment plan or something. Nonprofits are

14:29

required to provide that information on paper

14:31

and online, displayed publicly in the

14:33

hospital, and include it in your bill.

14:35

It's up to patients to read

14:37

that information and then apply. But

14:39

one state's solution puts the onus

14:42

on hospitals. Oregon requires them

14:44

to proactively screen all patients

14:46

and give financial assistance to

14:48

those who qualify. Six

14:50

years later, Alexis Lewis is still

14:52

paying off her bill, $150 a

14:54

month. UT Medical Center wouldn't respond

14:56

to our questions about why she

14:58

wasn't offered charity care, but says

15:00

its policies are designed to ensure

15:02

that eligible patients have access to

15:04

the care they need. So, Usher,

15:06

do people have any recourse here?

15:09

Well, look, it's tough. Depending on the state

15:11

that you live in, reach out to an

15:13

advocacy group that can help you navigate the

15:15

process and see what, you know, you can

15:17

do to try and deal with this. Oregon,

15:19

for example, requires nonprofit hospitals that charge patients

15:21

who should have received charity care a refund

15:23

if they do charge them. And there are

15:25

a number of states that are looking to

15:27

strengthen laws to better protect consumers. And read

15:29

the fine print, too. Absolutely. Usher Karachi, thank

15:31

you. Well, have a look here

15:33

at the New York City skyline

15:35

today. The clouds you see are smoke

15:38

from a wildfire 90 miles to

15:40

the south in Ocean County, New Jersey.

15:42

This fire has burned 23 square

15:44

miles. The police say a resident of

15:46

the county started it when he

15:48

set wooden pallets on fire and he

15:50

is charged with arson tonight. Rob

15:52

Marciano has the latest on the fire and

15:54

the weather conditions that continue to feed it.

15:56

Rob. Hey, Maurice, we're

15:59

at 50 % containment now. So that's good.

16:01

But look at the behavior. This is

16:03

shot today. Look at this fire behavior. This

16:05

is incredible. We're talking about flames that

16:07

are reaching up to the top of these

16:09

tall pints into the canopy, crowning in

16:11

time. So very aggressive fire behavior. And as

16:13

you mentioned, the winds shift to the

16:15

south today and that brought all that smoke

16:17

up the Jersey shoreline into the New

16:19

York City metro area, Long Island parts of

16:21

the suburbs as well. And that'll continue

16:23

tomorrow until we expect to see some rainfall

16:25

or computer models showing this Friday night.

16:27

It's a saturday, knocking down that smoke, hopefully

16:30

knocking down all of that fire. Where

16:32

is that rainfall right now? Or at least

16:34

part of it is across south Louisiana.

16:36

This is Lafayette, Louisiana, which saw five to

16:38

eight inches of rainfall in a three

16:40

to four hour. This morning they just swamped

16:42

the place and that's one of three

16:44

areas we're watching now. That's the clusters of

16:46

that getting in the Baton Rouge also

16:48

from Dallas down to Waco to Austin. Another

16:50

cluster from Lincoln up through a Des

16:52

Moines. These spots tonight could see some flooding

16:54

rain. All this can combine and bring

16:56

us that beneficial rain for that fire on

16:58

Saturday. But unfortunately for the Northeast, a

17:01

soggy Saturday as well. OK, Rob, thank you.

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than doubled compared to a regular

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football weekend. And more of those

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rentals are here in this neighborhood

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alone where some of the backyards

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have a view of the draft's

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neighbors. When we visited, the

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see the stage being built, just

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a Hail Mary throw away. You

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yeah, a lot of

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night. What do fans get out

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of this? of the draft

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here. They get Green Bay. They

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get kind of the heart of America. An

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to walk into the Mecca

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a priest, the comparison to

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American politics, candidates boast. Flash

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who enters a conclave of

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of ambition shaped the early

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American presidency. George Washington

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many of the first American presidents. It

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was believed that gross ambition was

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a cancer. So maybe

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ideal, by a common fear that

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