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com we are here for a

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friendly feud so friendly now we

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used to have a game

3:49

called front end feud and in

3:51

fact Adam you had a really

3:53

cool sound bite that you made

3:55

for us where you said oh yeah

3:58

it's time to play front it I

4:00

can't do it. But we need

4:02

a new one for friendly feud.

4:04

So I thought maybe we would

4:07

just like live workshop that here.

4:09

You want to? Sure. Let's give

4:11

us one. It's time to play

4:13

friendly feud. Not bad. Okay, give

4:16

us three more. No. One's

4:18

all you get. All right.

4:20

Well, we are here to

4:22

play friendly feud. And we

4:24

brought some friends with us.

4:26

In fact, we brought our

4:28

J. S. Party. People, what's

4:30

up y'all? Hey, hey, hay,

4:32

hoy, hello. To name them

4:34

and shame them, we have.

4:36

Nick, Nise, you heard that

4:38

hoyoy, hoy. We have K-ball,

4:40

Amy is here, and a

4:42

Mel, back from outer space.

4:44

back from the loop. I

4:46

need my own change log

4:48

and friends show to kind

4:50

of catch you up with

4:52

all the things that's been

4:54

happening in my life. So

4:56

many, there's so many good

4:58

things to dig deep on

5:00

I think and but yeah,

5:02

back back. And of course,

5:04

bone skull Chris, Hiller, how

5:06

you doing man? He

5:10

delivers every time. He delivers every

5:12

time. So exciting. I'm the resident

5:14

kermajin. Well, Friendly Feud is a

5:17

game not of wits, but of

5:19

vibrating. I don't know. Your job

5:21

is to answer these questions in

5:23

the same way that our audience

5:26

already answered these questions. So maybe

5:28

you took our friendly feud survey.

5:30

You probably did. We had almost

5:32

200 people take it. And we

5:35

asked a whole bunch of questions.

5:37

Now, we're going to see which

5:39

team can accurately figure out what

5:41

our audience thinks. So, our teams

5:44

today are divided as thus. We

5:46

have team zero, and team sub

5:48

zero, technically, because it's zero index

5:51

array, is Adam, Amy, and Chris.

5:53

Good luck to you. Thank you.

5:55

Team sub one is Nick Amel

5:57

and Caball. Hello, we're number one.

6:00

Before we commence, round one, I

6:02

thought maybe you would like to

6:04

talk trash to each other for

6:06

a minute or two. That mambon

6:09

looks so cool. Of course, Adams

6:11

referring to Nick's game board avatar.

6:13

If you are an audio only

6:15

listener, don't worry. You can listen

6:18

right along, but this is one

6:20

of those episodes where. It's pretty

6:22

good to have video because we

6:24

will have a game board live

6:27

the entire game. So check it

6:29

out at YouTube.com/change log and you

6:31

can see Nick Nesey's Man Bun

6:33

which is cute Nick. Amazing. That's

6:36

like you Jared. I like it

6:38

honestly. It's kind of it suits

6:40

you Nick. I'm imagining maybe you

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just ate a butt of hamburger

6:45

and it accidentally had mustard on

6:47

it or something like that and

6:49

you're making a face like in

6:51

disgust. Is that what happened? Pretty

6:54

much, yeah. My daughter did my

6:56

hair, so only positive things to

6:58

say about it. Okay. Manny's mustard,

7:00

ketchup, what's your thing on burgers,

7:03

Nick? This is the worst trash

7:05

talk I've ever heard. What's your

7:07

thing on burgers? Nothing. I've never

7:09

had ketchup or mustard or any

7:12

other thing. I just have them

7:14

plain. Because I am a functioning

7:16

six-year-old. I'll just say, a boring

7:18

human. Amy, will you please talk

7:21

some trash at these people and

7:23

say, like, we're gonna win? Are

7:25

you guys stink or something? Well,

7:27

the last time Adam and I

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were on a team together, we

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did win. We did win, yes.

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Last minute, in clutch, unrecorded, we

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won't say anymore. That's true. Well,

7:39

let's see what happens. Let's see

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what happens. We have seven rounds

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of play. Each. and get a

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chance to guess first. Whoever gets

7:48

the highest answer on the board

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gets to play that round. Their

7:52

team then takes over, they get

7:54

a guess until they have three

7:57

strikes, that's three wrong guesses, at

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which point the other team can

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confer amongst themselves and steal that

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round's points by guessing one of

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the remaining answers that are on

8:08

the board. Generally speaking, an answer

8:10

only makes the board if it

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has five or more responses is

8:15

a couple of rounds. For which

8:17

that's not true, but we'll address

8:19

those as we get there any

8:21

questions about how the game works

8:24

before we dive in around one

8:26

So what's the genre like of

8:28

questions here like is this like

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existential questions about like life or

8:33

like what's the genre like how

8:35

can I mentally prepare for what's

8:37

ahead of me? I would say

8:40

the genre is developer life Okay,

8:42

dev life, but not friends, right

8:44

because I'll fail It's friendly feud

8:46

before was front end feud It's

8:49

just developer life, you know, we

8:51

are broader than front end. I

8:53

know but not into friends. I

8:55

don't know what that is. Do

8:58

you have to guess first? Like

9:00

or do you press a button

9:02

or something? So because of internet

9:04

latency, which you've already enjoyed some

9:07

today, we do not do timed

9:09

guessing. We do rotational guessing so

9:11

we'll give each team a chance

9:13

to guess first but during the

9:16

face-off I will just name the

9:18

person who guesses first. Makes sense?

9:20

And then how do we work

9:22

as a team? Like do we

9:25

get to kind of confer with

9:27

you, like collaborate with each other?

9:29

That's right. Only during the steel

9:31

moment. Ah. At any other time,

9:34

you just shut your trap and

9:36

hope your teammates awesome. And no

9:38

Googling, no clotting. You cannot deep

9:40

seek, you cannot shallow seek. We

9:43

just sit, we enjoy. And we

9:45

see who wins, sound good. This

9:47

is like a strictly like hands-on-deck

9:49

situation, like you know, hands up

9:52

in the air, like you know,

9:54

like we need like fingers where

9:56

you can see them, you know?

9:58

How do we talk about each

10:01

other? Just hear in the chat here

10:03

or the conversation? Well, during the

10:05

conferring, you say it out loud so that

10:07

we can all hear it. You know, like, you

10:09

think out loud. And then during the guessing,

10:11

you don't talk unless it's your turn. I

10:13

feel like you guys are asking questions

10:16

just to mess with me at

10:18

this point. No, no, that's the

10:20

serious one, because like, if we,

10:22

if we start. I'm guessing or

10:24

talking, most of the other teams,

10:26

here's the, you know, our insights.

10:28

Well, they're done at that point.

10:30

Don't worry, I'll direct how it's

10:33

gonna work. They don't have a

10:35

chance to do anything. They're done,

10:37

they've had three strikes. I understand,

10:39

okay, I understand, okay, the flow,

10:41

it's a flow. Let's move into

10:43

round one, and our face off for

10:45

round one will be between, will

10:48

be between Adam and Nick,

10:50

step point. All right. round

10:52

one we asked our listeners

10:54

what's the first robot that

10:56

comes to your mind what

10:58

is the first robot that

11:00

comes around the top six

11:03

answers are on the board and

11:05

because he's a guest now we

11:07

will let Nick guess first Nick

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do you think they said mmm

11:12

i'm gonna go with r2 d2

11:14

is it on the board yes sir

11:16

and it is it on the board

11:18

yes sir and it is it

11:20

on the The number one answer

11:22

with 22 responses. Good job. Nick.

11:24

So glad to know that I'm

11:26

basic, like, because I had the

11:29

same, I would have, I would

11:31

have had the same guess. So

11:33

this is great. Are you just

11:35

called our entire listening audience basic

11:37

as well? So thank you for

11:39

that. Basic Minds. Share. Oh, gotcha.

11:41

Basic Minds think alike. Yeah. So

11:43

that means. Nick's team. Because he

11:45

hit number one, Adam get a

11:47

chance to sit there and be

11:49

remorseful. and team sub one gets

11:52

to play this round. So Nick

11:54

went first, you got the first

11:56

item on the board, R2D22 points.

11:58

There are six. total, which means

12:01

there's five left. We go now

12:03

to a male. What's the first

12:05

robot that comes to your mind?

12:08

You cannot say R2D2. Literally, I'm

12:10

predictable and like, yeah, I R2D2

12:12

would have been my answer. The

12:15

next thing that came to mind

12:17

was GBO, which I don't think

12:19

anybody who remembers that thing existed.

12:22

This is gonna sound like a

12:24

really silly answer, but chat bot.

12:26

Can we just can I can

12:29

can I answer a chat bot

12:31

even though that's like not a

12:34

specific bot but it's a you

12:36

certainly can but did our listeners

12:38

type into the text field chat

12:41

bot let's see if it's on

12:43

the board no sorry but that

12:45

one is not a top six

12:48

answer that's one strike to your

12:50

team we go now to cable

12:52

I mean I am terrible at

12:55

this string but the thing that

12:57

sprung to my mind was i

12:59

robot Mmm, I-Robot the Great. Well,

13:02

that was a movie title. Well,

13:04

based off a book, right? Oh,

13:06

that's... I don't even know what

13:09

it is. Just that's what kind

13:11

of a lot. I won't tell

13:13

the robust name then, because that

13:16

is memorable. All right, well, K-ball

13:18

goes with I-Robot, did it make

13:20

the top six? Sorry, but it

13:23

also was not on a list.

13:25

Nick, you have a lot to

13:28

choose from. There's five answers left

13:30

on the board, but your team

13:32

has two strikes, which means, which

13:35

means, which means, which means. If

13:37

you get this wrong, it's time

13:39

to steal. What do you think?

13:42

Well, I know what I want

13:44

to answer, but I'm not going

13:46

to do it. So I'm going

13:49

to say, I'm just going to

13:51

stay with the theme. C3PO. Show

13:53

us C3PO. Oh my goodness. A

13:56

complete strikeout with zero correct answers,

13:58

except R2D2. That means Team Zero,

14:00

there are 22 points on the

14:03

board and you have lots of

14:05

opportunity to get them because there's

14:07

five robots left that have not

14:10

been set out loud. Now, you

14:12

three can confer, so talk amongst

14:14

yourselves. you'll get the 22 points

14:17

plus whatever you score with this

14:19

particular guess if you get one.

14:21

What do you think? I have

14:24

a couple in mind. We only

14:26

have one guess? Correct. We're conferring,

14:29

right? Yes, we are conferring. Yeah.

14:31

Johnny number five, Wally, Rosie. Oh,

14:33

let's go Wally. Sunny from I

14:36

robot. Thank you, Kay Ball. 9,000.

14:38

How 9,000? Jarvis. Jarvis, yes. Which

14:40

one's on the board though? All

14:43

of these sound vaguely familiar to

14:45

me, but I would not have

14:47

been able to generate any. Marvin,

14:50

the paranoid, and Android? The audience

14:52

is young, so Johnny 5 is

14:54

not on the board, I don't

14:57

think. Let's go Wally. I'm thinking

14:59

Wally. But no, I mean, it's

15:01

just, it would seem to be

15:04

like the most, I don't know.

15:06

All right, final answer, what are

15:08

you all think? What are you

15:11

going with? What other famous robot

15:13

is out there. What about like

15:15

the Boston Dynamics ones? Is that

15:18

names? Robot dog? Those are pretty

15:20

famous in the game room. I'm

15:22

thinking of Wally though. I think

15:25

Wally's probably... Yeah, go for Wally.

15:27

Wally's a good one. All right,

15:30

Wally for the steel. Is it

15:32

there? Yes, it is. And it

15:34

is the number two answer with

15:37

20 respondents. That means. That means...

15:39

Team Sub-Zero steals 42 points. We

15:41

should be able to get some

15:44

more points. I'm sure other options

15:46

were there. Well, let's see what

15:48

else is there. At number six,

15:51

we have Bender. Oh, yeah. She's

15:53

from Futurama Fame. Seven people said

15:55

Bender. In slot five. There's Rosie.

15:58

Should I got that one? Eight

16:00

people picked Rosie from the Jetsons.

16:02

Roomba. Roomba. We named our Roomba

16:05

Rosie. And the three slot. Marvin?

16:07

Oh yeah, Marvin's pretty good, yeah.

16:09

Rosie is spinning correctly, I believe

16:12

it's an IE, right? Isn't it?

16:14

Rosie is a really good one.

16:16

Yeah, these are all like fantastic.

16:19

I yeah, Bender, Mall of Bender.

16:21

Bender's awesome. They're like all of

16:23

a different era. Right, yeah, which

16:26

is, which is I think the

16:28

best part. They're so spread. They

16:31

are, aren't they? It's interesting. Good

16:33

job, sub-zero. Good job, everybody. So

16:35

a couple of honorable mentions. So

16:38

cable, you guessed, I-robot, four people,

16:40

said I-the-one from Lost in space.

16:42

The robot from Austin Space. Mr.

16:45

Robot got three, even though he's

16:47

not really a robot, right? I

16:49

almost thought about that one. Yeah.

16:52

C3PO only had two, so he's

16:54

nowhere near as beloved as R2D2.

16:56

The open AI web crawler got

16:59

a shout out. Was it actually

17:01

just crawling the survey? And Mark

17:03

Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg wasn't

17:06

calling the survey, but he's also

17:08

got a shout out as a

17:10

robot. So there you go. Oh,

17:13

yeah. After round one, Team Sub

17:15

Zero is in the lead with

17:17

42 points, but there's loss of

17:20

rounds left. So we move around

17:22

to round two. Amy versus Mel.

17:25

All right, now Team Sub One

17:27

got to go first last round.

17:29

So Amy gets to guess first.

17:32

We asked our listeners. What is

17:34

your favorite file format. The top.

17:36

Five answers are on the board.

17:39

Amy, what do you think they

17:41

said? I'm gonna stick with the

17:43

front end theme and go dot

17:46

T.S. Just for you Jared. Dot

17:48

T.S. Is it on there? If

17:50

it was, I was deleted it.

17:53

Oh. Nobody likes dot T.S. Everybody

17:55

knows that. Nobody likes that. A

17:57

male. It would have fixed the

18:00

number problem. It's not a problem.

18:02

It's a feature. Oh my gosh.

18:04

Well, so this is so funny.

18:07

I feel like I'm being trolled

18:09

right now because I'm literally in

18:11

the middle of a design decision

18:14

and on some new config. files

18:16

and you know we're like arguing

18:18

over like Yamel versus Tamil because

18:21

obviously nobody wants Jason because you

18:23

can't do comments. Jason is for

18:26

computers not humans. So I you

18:28

know it's I it's between so

18:30

I mean Yamel is great until

18:33

it's not like most things love

18:35

hate relationship. I almost want to

18:37

say I want to say Tamil,

18:40

but I'm not sure how popular

18:42

it is really. Oh my God.

18:44

I also just want to say

18:47

like dot tx t like is

18:49

like ha ha. I don't know.

18:51

Let's let's let's let's let's let's

18:54

go with yamel. I feel like

18:56

yamel's got to be on the

18:58

board. Okay, you know what can

19:01

I'm sorry? Let me go with.

19:03

Okay, fine. Is it on there?

19:05

We all know it's on there.

19:08

We all know, it's not on

19:10

there. No, nobody, like, yeah, nobody,

19:12

X, I know, I figured like,

19:15

you know, this is their favorite

19:17

file format. It's not like it's

19:19

okay. All right, back to you,

19:22

Amy, we haven't landed yet. So

19:24

here you get a second chance.

19:27

I know what my favorite file

19:29

format is. I was going to

19:31

go with the SPG. Let's go

19:34

for the images. That's not my

19:36

answer, though. I'm going to, I

19:38

am going to go with an

19:41

image, though. Let's try a dot,

19:43

P&G, a P&P. Show us PING.

19:45

Oh my gosh. Who takes this

19:48

survey? Our lovely audience takes it.

19:50

Thank you very much. Not me.

19:52

Well, I asked you guys not

19:55

to take it. Okay, Amel, back

19:57

to you. I mean, someone's gotta

19:59

get one eventually. Okay, now I'm

20:02

gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put,

20:04

I'm gonna say the wrong answer

20:06

in hopes that it's on the

20:09

board, which is Jason. Okay, so

20:11

she thinks maybe Jason, even though

20:13

you don't think it's your favorite,

20:16

maybe. Somebody does. Does anybody think

20:18

it's their favorite? Yes, they certainly

20:20

do. And it is the number

20:23

two answer with 27 people love

20:25

Jason. Yeah, yeah, I mean, nothing

20:28

wrong with Jason. It's just it's

20:30

just not great for humans communicating,

20:32

which is, you know, what for

20:35

me would put it into like

20:37

a favorite. If it's just machines

20:39

communicating, then, you know. Yeah, all

20:42

good. If it's just machines, you

20:44

might as well be using a

20:46

binary format, right? Cable, cable, you're

20:49

up now. You guys take the

20:51

round. I'm gonna go with the

20:53

ye old TXT file. Show us

20:56

plain text. Yes, sir. And man,

20:58

there it is, plain text. 24

21:00

people. Love it. They love it.

21:03

Nick, what do you love? I

21:05

love plain text and I love

21:07

the improvement of plain text that

21:10

is Markdown. Show us Markdown. Number

21:12

one answer. Of course, everyone's favorite

21:14

file format. 35 people said Markdown

21:17

and they're my friends. Nick gets

21:19

it right. So far you have

21:22

86 points amongst yourselves and zero

21:24

strikes. Amel, back to you. There's

21:26

two left on the board. Slots,

21:29

four and five. Yeah, this is

21:31

awesome because I completely spaced out

21:33

about Markdown because I'm thinking about

21:36

like what's used, you know, like

21:38

at runtime. Um, let's see. Hmm.

21:40

I wonder if MDX is on

21:43

the board. You want to lock

21:45

that in? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sorry.

21:47

I thought I thought I thought

21:50

your question. Yeah. No, I'm sorry.

21:52

Show us MDX. Not DMX. Everyone's

21:54

favorite wrapper. MDX. DMX. I'm sorry,

21:57

but it's not on there. First

21:59

strike. Darn it. Back to cable.

22:01

All right, well, let's see. So

22:04

we got Markdown, we got Jason,

22:06

we got plain text. These are

22:08

also AI's favorite. I'm actually going

22:11

to go. I'm going to go

22:13

a little older school and I'm

22:15

going to say XML. Wow. Show

22:18

us. XML. Strike two. Back to

22:20

Nick. Nick. It's all on your

22:23

shoulders here. You've got to save

22:25

us, Nick. Again. No commenting. Oh.

22:27

Favorite file format. Uh,

22:30

we're on a podcast on the

22:32

same P3. M3, is it on

22:35

there? I'm sorry, it is not.

22:37

Strike three means we're back where

22:39

we were last round. Team sub

22:42

zero. Opportunity to steal. Please confer

22:44

amongst yourselves. You have the slots

22:46

four and five. If you hit

22:49

either one of those, you get

22:51

all these points and then some.

22:54

People like jiffs. Yeah, that's why

22:56

I was going bones call. Giffs.

22:59

Yeah, it's gotta be the

23:01

one. I mean, that's the

23:03

one on there, right? We're

23:05

talking about nerds here, like

23:07

nerds, come on. You gotta

23:09

get your memes. Maybe like,

23:11

Zip. Zip could be there,

23:13

but maybe. I'm thinking, Jeff.

23:15

All right, Amy, do you

23:17

agree with that? I do

23:19

agree, wholeheartedly. All right, for

23:21

the steel, 86 points on

23:24

the board. Is it Jeff?

23:27

And not, which means those 86

23:29

points are awarded to team sub

23:31

one. Yeah, good job. Good job.

23:34

Good job. And they take the

23:36

lead. Now, let's see what was

23:39

in slots four and five. In

23:41

the number five slot, we have

23:43

everyone's favorite and file-based database. Sequalite.

23:46

Oh. What? Six people love SQLite

23:48

files. That makes sense. All the

23:51

world. There's lots of like. There's

23:53

lots of like. There is. I

23:55

mean sequel brings like this calm

23:58

to my nervous system that like

24:00

nothing else really brings that level

24:02

of calm when it comes to

24:05

programming. Right. And there's some people

24:07

that have found that in certain

24:10

circumstances it's actually faster than the

24:12

file system. The mongo people

24:14

are just rolling in the room

24:16

right now. Oh gosh. And at

24:18

number four, the other file format

24:21

that people love is CSV. people.

24:23

Yeah, that's a choice. That's a

24:25

choice. Survey got into a bank

24:27

or something. No, it does make

24:29

sense though. Like I, I, I,

24:32

CSVs are awesome, you know. Here's

24:34

some honorable mention. So Toml got

24:36

four shoutouts, which beat

24:38

YAMl, which got two. Tar, no

24:41

one said Tar, Tar, three people

24:43

like Tarballs. Um, three

24:45

people like Tarballs. Um,

24:47

and nobody said Jif, because

24:49

that's not how you say

24:51

it. and then finally one

24:53

person said the one with

24:55

code in it that's their favorite

24:58

file format is the one with

25:00

code in it okay after two

25:02

rounds team sub one is in

25:05

a lead almost doubling

25:07

no more than doubling teams

25:09

of zeros points 86 for

25:11

team one and 42 for

25:13

team zero seven rounds right

25:15

seven rounds we move now

25:17

to round three Of course we

25:20

asked what is your favorite file

25:22

format we also would love to

25:24

know what is your least favorite

25:26

file format this round starts

25:28

off with a face-off between

25:30

K-ball and Chris step right up

25:32

K-ball you get you get to go

25:35

first this round what do you think

25:37

as our listeners least favorite I'm

25:39

gonna bring it back we're gonna

25:41

throw XML out there again Oh

25:44

my god. You guessed XML for

25:46

favorite. Now you might think it's

25:48

the least favorite. Is it on

25:50

the board? Least favorite, let's

25:53

see it. Yes, Siri Bob,

25:55

and it is the least

25:57

favorite of all people, 28

25:59

respondents. Despise XML. So we

26:01

find ourselves in familiar territory.

26:04

Team one is playing this

26:06

round as well. Nick, we

26:08

go to you, there are

26:10

seven on the board. XML

26:13

is number one, which means

26:15

two through seven are still

26:17

out there. Hmm. I am

26:19

going to say yamel. I think

26:22

that everybody hates yammer. this is

26:24

like the backfire round or I

26:26

guess last round backfired this round

26:29

is more accurate because yes yeah

26:31

well the number two response with

26:33

25 people despising it amel to

26:35

you that was not yeah that

26:38

was gonna be my answer was

26:40

yeah it's like you know it's

26:42

functional but you know no one

26:44

likes to tab let's see so

26:47

I'm really tempted to say Jason

26:49

because I think like the the

26:51

the you know the the lack

26:53

of trailing commas and comments is

26:56

really quite frustrating for many folks.

26:58

But I don't know. It's between,

27:00

I, well, I don't want to

27:02

put multiple answers out there, but,

27:05

hmm, and I cannot confer with

27:07

my team, right? I can't, you

27:09

know what? Let's, let's put Jason

27:11

on the board. Why not? Why

27:14

not? Show us Jason. Number seven.

27:16

Five people said Jason. So you

27:18

now have one, two, and seven.

27:20

And those middle ones need guessing.

27:23

Cable? All right. I'm going to

27:25

go dot doc. I was good.

27:27

I was just thinking that. Show

27:29

us word docs. Yes. At number

27:32

four. 19 people. So they hate

27:34

word docs. To Nick, you have,

27:36

you're halfway home, actually you're more

27:38

than halfway home, you have four

27:41

of seven numbers, three, five, and

27:43

six, still available. Uh, okay, we

27:45

have yam all. We have docs,

27:47

we have Jason, XML. I know,

27:50

TypeScript won't be on there, so.

27:52

Wow. Because people aren't thinking about

27:54

it. That's a register for us.

27:56

Oh my God. I've like really,

27:59

I've like missed Nick Tro, like

28:01

being trolled by Jared so much.

28:03

And the other way around right?

28:05

Yeah the other way around yeah

28:08

the circle you know they're like

28:10

a Tom and Jerry situation you

28:12

know I think the real question

28:14

is who's Tom and who's Jerry

28:17

you know it's like a roadrunner.

28:19

We all know which one I

28:21

am. The Coyote. See how slow

28:23

you were on that? He's on.

28:26

If I go with my previous

28:28

thinking that bankers took this survey,

28:30

then I'm going to say the

28:32

text files. Show us text files.

28:35

Strike. Yes. All right, Mel. The

28:37

demise begins. I think I'm going

28:39

to say Excel slash spreadsheet slash

28:41

CSV. Basically, they're all like proprietary

28:44

or non-proprietary version of the same

28:46

thing, you know. Well, pick one.

28:48

Well, I mean, do I have

28:50

to? Well, you said slash spreadsheet.

28:53

I mean, is that a file

28:55

format? Okay, no. Open spreadsheet is

28:57

a thing. All right, so I

28:59

think CS, let's, let's do, yeah,

29:02

CSV. Okay, CSV was in the

29:04

list of favorite file formats, are

29:06

you sure? Oh my god, stop

29:08

making me doubt myself. Hold on.

29:11

I'm not sure. It's on there.

29:13

It's on there? Okay. It's been

29:15

too long. Number six. Oh yeah.

29:17

Six people do not like it.

29:20

Oh shoot, did you say CSV?

29:22

I mean, I was just there,

29:24

like, okay, Excel, CSV, spreadsheet, like

29:26

the same family, same category, same

29:29

category. Okay. Come on. Wow. Well,

29:31

she said all three. She said

29:33

this, I really did, in all

29:35

fairness. I forgot which one she

29:38

actually picked. It's the same number

29:40

of points either way. It doesn't

29:42

matter. They have to get this

29:44

one. They have to get this

29:47

one. I feel like this game

29:49

is a little biased, right? Like,

29:51

to steal, you only have to

29:54

get one right. But if we

29:56

got to run the table. Exactly.

29:58

That's how the game works. Taking

30:00

it with Steve Harvey, you know,

30:03

I didn't design this game. All

30:05

right, cable. We got already on

30:07

the board, we have XML, YAMEL,

30:09

Word, CSV, Excel, and Jason. And

30:12

the question is, what's missing? That's

30:14

a least favorite. That's right. I'm

30:16

kind of, I'm pondering PDF. I

30:18

feel like that might be up

30:21

there. Yeah, I'm gonna go with

30:23

that. I'm gonna say PDF. Like

30:25

PDF more than Yale, but less

30:27

than word? You know, I feel

30:30

like I actually suspect this has

30:32

a lot to do with like

30:34

how much people are exposed to

30:36

it and also how much annoying

30:39

it is to modify and dealing

30:41

with PDFs. Like the tooling has

30:43

gotten better, but I bet that's

30:45

still up there. I'm gonna put

30:48

PDF out there. All right, is

30:50

PDF that missing number three of

30:52

the seven least favorite file formats?

30:54

He got it! Nice! With 20

30:57

respondents, not liking PDF. I think

30:59

that's exactly right cable. We know

31:01

about it and we've tried to

31:03

program with it and it sucks

31:06

to work with. I also love

31:08

it when websites just stick PDFs

31:10

like on the website and it's

31:12

like you can't. Select text you

31:15

can't like get it. You know,

31:17

there's no indexing or searching of

31:19

the content. It's it's rough rough

31:21

times. We were just talking a

31:24

couple weeks ago with Bert. Hubert,

31:26

or Hubert, I can't say his

31:28

name appropriately, who makes a government

31:30

tracking website in the Netherlands and

31:33

he was just doing the opposite

31:35

of singing PDFs praises. He was

31:37

just saying how bad PDFs are

31:39

to work with and a lot

31:42

of governments, you know, even with

31:44

FOIA and whatever kind of stuff

31:46

where the documents are supposed to

31:48

be public, they just throw PDFs

31:51

out because they know it's harder

31:53

to work with. Or it's like

31:55

at that point, I would love

31:57

XML even though I hate it.

32:00

compared to PDF. So I'm actually

32:02

surprised, but X&L is top of

32:04

mind, I think, when you think

32:06

of things you don't like. Yeah,

32:09

what we really need for like

32:11

non programmers is like web flow,

32:13

you know, something that like can

32:15

make something pretty and easy and

32:18

but like you get all the

32:20

benefits of the, you know, it

32:22

being structured HDML, it spits out,

32:24

you know, but yeah, dream weaver.

32:27

Yeah, I think you're right. Dream

32:29

Weaver. I was gonna say, was

32:31

that a product placement of Mel?

32:33

That was really good. You're like,

32:36

what we really need is Webflow.

32:38

Not paid or sponsored by Redflow.

32:40

So I think we're getting away

32:42

from the topic, which is we

32:45

are dominating. So we're just going

32:47

back on the topic of our

32:49

domination and give Team Zero a

32:51

chance to show their zeros. And

32:54

now cable is getting alive. I

32:56

mean, I was waiting for y'all

32:58

to pick up the trash talk

33:00

and nobody was filling it in.

33:03

The only reason you guys won

33:05

that round is because Jared gave

33:07

you the bonus, okay? You had

33:10

a faltered on the bonus. See,

33:12

the movie and Excel are not

33:14

the same. She got two for

33:16

one. They had strikes to spare.

33:19

They had strikes to spare. Okay,

33:21

after we were going to look

33:23

like a wipeout. Team One has

33:25

195 and Team Zero has 42.

33:28

There's lots of rounds left. We

33:30

moved in. Now to round four.

33:32

Well friends, I'm here with a

33:34

good friend of mine, David Shoe,

33:37

the founder and CEO of Retole.

33:39

So David, I know so many

33:41

developers who use Retole to solve

33:43

problems, but I'm curious. Help me

33:46

to understand the specific user, the

33:48

particular developer who is just loving

33:50

Retole. Who's your ideal user? us,

33:52

the ideal user of retool, is

33:55

someone whose goal first and foremost

33:57

is to either deliver value to

33:59

the business or to be effective.

34:01

Where we candidly have a little

34:04

bit less success is with people

34:06

that are extremely opinionated about their

34:08

tools. If, for example, you're like,

34:10

hey, I need to go use

34:13

web assembly, and if I'm not

34:15

using web assembly, I'm quitting my

34:17

job, you're probably not the best

34:19

ritual user, honestly. However, if you're

34:22

like, hey, I see problems with

34:24

the business and I want to

34:26

have an impact and I want

34:28

to solve those problems, Retool is

34:31

right up your alley. And the

34:33

reason for that is, Retool allows

34:35

it to have an impact so

34:37

quickly. You could go from an

34:40

idea, you go from a meeting,

34:42

like, hey, you know, this is

34:44

an app that we need, to

34:46

literally having the app built in

34:49

30 minutes, which is super, super,

34:51

super impactful on the business. So

34:53

I think that's the kind of

34:55

partnership, or that we'd like the

34:58

kind of impact that we'd like

35:00

that we'd like that we'd like

35:02

that we'd like that we'd like

35:04

that we'd like that we'd like,

35:07

Retool is somewhat even saturated. I

35:09

know a lot of people who

35:11

know retool, but you've said this

35:13

before. What makes you think that

35:16

retool is not that well known?

35:18

Retool today is really quite well

35:20

known amongst a certain crowd. Like

35:22

I think if you had a

35:25

poll like Engineers in San Francisco

35:27

or Engineers of Silicon Valley even,

35:29

I think you'd probably get like

35:31

a 50, 60, 70% recognition of

35:34

retool. I think where you're less

35:36

likely to have heard of retool

35:38

is if you're a random developer

35:40

at a random company in a

35:43

random location like the Midwest, for

35:45

example, or like a developer in

35:47

Argentina, for example, you're probably less

35:49

likely. The reason is I think

35:52

we have a lot of really

35:54

strong word of mouth from a

35:56

lot of Silicon Valley companies like

35:58

the Brexit, coin bases, door dashes,

36:01

stripes, etc. of the world. There's

36:03

a lot of chat, Airbnb is

36:05

another customer, and videos, and other

36:07

customers, there's a lot of chatter

36:10

about retool in the valley. But

36:12

I think outside of the valley,

36:14

I think we're not as well

36:16

down. And that's one goal of

36:19

ours, to go change that. Well

36:21

friends now you know what retool

36:23

is you know who they are

36:25

you're aware that retool exists and

36:28

if you're trying to solve problems

36:30

for your company you're in a

36:32

meeting as David mentioned and someone

36:35

mentions something where a problem exists

36:37

and you can easily go and

36:39

solve that problem in 30 minutes,

36:41

an hour, or some margin of

36:44

time that is basically a nominal

36:46

amount of time. And you go

36:48

and use Retole to solve that

36:50

problem. That's amazing. Go to Retole.com

36:53

and get started for free or

36:55

book a demo. It is too

36:57

easy to use Retole and now

36:59

you know. So go and try

37:02

it. Once again, Retole.com. The inverted

37:04

round works differently. There's no face-off.

37:06

We just toggle back and forth

37:08

between teams with an opportunity to

37:11

guess. The question that we asked

37:13

our listener is name the first

37:15

protocol that comes to your mind.

37:17

However, in the inverted round, you

37:20

get more points for matching further

37:22

down the board. So the number

37:24

one answer is worth the least

37:26

amount of points, and the number

37:29

five answer is worth the most

37:31

amount of points. Since he's been

37:33

sitting quietly most of the game,

37:35

we will let Adam go first.

37:38

Fantastic. Sorry. What? Fantastic. The look

37:40

on Adam's face is just priceless.

37:42

Well, what do you think, Adam?

37:44

The first protocol that comes to

37:47

your mind, but actually the fifth

37:49

first. You know what I'm saying?

37:51

The fifth first, oh gosh. Well,

37:53

if you want more points, you

37:56

got to get down the board.

37:58

If you want not. as many

38:00

points. You name the actual first

38:02

protocol. What the heck is a

38:05

protocol? In particular. Well, there's

38:07

no follow-up questions on the survey,

38:09

so it's however they interpret it.

38:11

That's like a good name for

38:13

a memoir. You know, what the

38:15

hell is a protocol? Anyway. Oh,

38:17

you didn't say how. Sorry. She

38:19

spiced it up your biography. And

38:21

it's the... Name the first protocol

38:23

that comes to your mind. The

38:26

text that you're reading right there

38:28

on the game board is literally

38:30

the text that they read in

38:32

the survey. The first one that

38:34

comes to mind, and this is

38:36

the fifth answer. Well you would

38:38

love to get the fifth, but you

38:40

could get the fifth, but you could

38:42

get the fifth, but you could get

38:44

the fifth, but you could get the

38:46

fifth, but you could get the

38:48

fifth, but you could get the

38:50

fifth, but you could get the

38:52

fourth, Can I explain it? I'm

38:54

not to explain it, Jared. Don't

38:56

help him. Don't help him.

38:58

No, go ahead of Mel. No, I

39:00

mean, yeah, it's basically a, so term

39:03

comes from that, okay, fine, well,

39:05

okay, fine, then I will not,

39:07

according to, I'm, Nick is whispering,

39:09

he's not on our team. He's

39:11

on our, he's on our bigger

39:13

team, you know. How about this,

39:15

Adam, I will give you a

39:17

for instance. Sure, thank you. and one

39:19

that isn't actually up there so

39:22

we'll all know that it's not

39:24

up there. Okay. But here's a

39:26

for instance. GRPC is a

39:29

protocol that one person said.

39:31

Mm-hmm. But it's not up there.

39:33

It's not on the top five.

39:35

So you're trying to find

39:37

another protocol similar to

39:40

that? Web sockets. Let's

39:42

put web sockets. All right.

39:44

Show us web sockets. Web

39:46

sockets. Show us web sockets.

39:48

We go now to Nick. You're trying

39:50

to throw us off with this GRPC,

39:53

so I'm going to go TRPC. What's

39:55

that? TypeScript, RPC. Oh

39:57

my gosh. No one's going to guess

39:59

that. Let me just not

40:02

even make it dramatic.

40:04

Ridiculous. I'm pretty sure

40:06

that's also not a

40:08

real problem. Only those things

40:10

are wrong. It was kind

40:13

of silly. Really? By who?

40:15

By what? What standards body?

40:17

All right, we go to

40:19

Amy. Oh, I get to go.

40:21

This is probably higher up on

40:23

the board, but I'm going to

40:25

go with HTTPS. Okay, show

40:27

us HTTPS. It's on

40:29

there. Number three. Sixteen

40:32

people said HDPS, which

40:35

gives 15 points, we'll

40:37

award those immediately, and

40:40

go back over to

40:42

team one, two a mill. Oh

40:44

man, this is, now that I

40:46

know HDP is lower, I'm like, oh

40:48

man, oh no. I thought it

40:50

would be number one.

40:53

Let's say UTP. Show us

40:55

UTP. Not on the board.

40:57

Chris. S-S-H. Show us S-S-H.

40:59

It's on there and it's

41:01

the lowest answer which is

41:04

the most points. What?

41:06

You score 25 points.

41:08

I would have totally expected

41:10

that to be number

41:13

one, if not H-D-P,

41:15

but wow. All right, Team

41:17

Zero, coming back now, we

41:19

go to Team One and

41:22

K-ball. Did we already

41:24

say T-C-P? We already say

41:27

T-C-P. Show us TCP. It's

41:29

on there. Second most

41:31

popular answer. 20 people

41:33

said it. That gives

41:35

you 10 points. I

41:37

thought UDP was gonna

41:39

score like lower than

41:41

TCP. You know, it's trying

41:44

to go low. Didn't work.

41:46

Back to team zero

41:48

and back to Adam.

41:50

Maybe just DNS. Another

41:52

good guess. Show us DNS.

41:55

Not on the top five.

41:57

Back to Nick. Is your survey?

42:00

automatically redirecting to HDPS

42:02

for all non-secure

42:05

traffic? Is that a

42:07

weird way of asking

42:09

if it's also a

42:11

different thing? I did

42:13

not combine any protocols

42:15

into a singular protocol.

42:17

Okay, there's our number

42:19

one, HDDP. With an

42:21

overwhelming 90 people saying

42:23

HDDP, only worth five

42:25

points. But hey, it's

42:27

still five points. We go

42:29

back to team zero and

42:32

Amy can you come on

42:34

Amy? Can you find the

42:36

last one? We've got H.E.T.P.

42:38

at the top T.C.P. Then

42:40

H.D.P. S. Then a blank

42:43

slot. What's a spot? A

42:45

blank spot and then

42:47

in fifth S. S.H. I'm

42:49

gonna go with F.T. Oh.

42:51

All your favorite files. Do

42:53

you transfer them? Let's

42:56

see. Yes. Yes. F-T-P,

42:58

yes, three, six people

43:00

said F-T-P, which is worth

43:02

20 points. We'll award those

43:05

now. All right. Very good. Thus

43:07

ends the inverted round. I

43:09

think Team Zero scored more

43:12

there than Team One because

43:14

they've closed the

43:16

gap. However, Team One,

43:18

because they've closed the gap.

43:21

We have three rounds left,

43:23

so there's lots of game

43:25

to play. And we move

43:27

now to round five. This one's

43:29

a little bit different.

43:32

We asked our listeners

43:34

to choose a number between

43:36

one and 20, but we said

43:38

your goal is to choose

43:41

the number that you think

43:43

the fewest other people are

43:45

gonna choose. Oh my gosh. Okay.

43:47

Now your job is to guess.

43:49

the one that they chose the most that they

43:51

think people chose the least. Can I just state

43:54

for a fact? I mean, I can't, I don't

43:56

want to speak too soon, but it feels really

43:58

great to be on a winning team. Oh

44:00

my gosh. Just want to

44:02

put that out there. And

44:04

you just lost. You know,

44:07

like us, they know. That's

44:09

when the arrested development narrator

44:11

comes in, is like, she

44:13

wasn't, you know. Yeah, I

44:15

can get things. We're going

44:18

to start with Nick. Nick.

44:20

Which number, including and between,

44:22

one and 20? So it's

44:24

less than or equal to.

44:27

Do you think our listeners

44:29

chose the most that would

44:31

be chosen the least? First

44:33

we need to break down

44:35

this form. Did you code

44:38

did you code it? Did

44:40

I code this form? Yeah,

44:42

the people were filling out.

44:44

It's just a PhD file

44:46

that posts to itself. Okay,

44:49

Ph. Ph. Ph. P distinguishes

44:51

between ins and non-ins, right?

44:53

It's got floats and stuff.

44:55

I'm wondering if it has

44:58

to be an integer. I'm

45:00

wondering if you can just

45:02

guess something. The least chosen

45:04

in a form like this,

45:06

and knowing our audience of

45:09

bankers, I'm gonna say 3.14159.

45:11

I'm thoroughly confused as to

45:13

what we're doing this from.

45:15

All right, show me 3.14159.

45:18

No, that's a foolish answer.

45:20

Okay, to you, Adam, the

45:22

correct numbers. One of two

45:24

numbers. Which one such as

45:26

is? Is it one or

45:29

two? It's between one of

45:31

two numbers that I'm gonna

45:33

say. Okay. I will declare

45:35

them soon. I will only

45:37

declare one to not give

45:40

away the other hand. Okay.

45:42

I'm gonna go with number

45:44

nine. Show us nine. I'm

45:46

sorry, but that was not

45:49

one of the top six

45:51

answers. Nick? Oh, back to

45:53

me. Okay. Yeah. Against my

45:55

better judgment. I'm gonna say

45:57

19. Show us 19. There

46:00

it is 19. So 12 people

46:03

chose 19 thinking that that number

46:05

would be chosen the least. So

46:07

team one gets to play another

46:10

round. Amel? If our audience had

46:12

to choose a number between one

46:14

and 20. With a goal of

46:17

choosing the number that they think

46:19

the fewest other people will choose.

46:21

Which ones would be chosen the

46:24

most? Any other layers of this

46:26

game? Any other inverted like? Not

46:29

yet. Any other thing else? Okay.

46:31

Straight up. I'm gonna choose my

46:33

favorite number, which is seven. So

46:36

you think your favorite number is

46:38

the least chosen number? Or? I'm

46:40

just a gambling woman. Oh, you're

46:43

just going straight gambler. All right.

46:45

She's a gambler. Is it on

46:47

there? Sorry it's not. Okay ball.

46:50

I'm gonna go with one of

46:52

the ends. So I'm gonna go

46:54

20. Show us 20. Oh no.

46:57

That's my strategy. You should probably

46:59

say one then Nick. You're right.

47:02

I'm going to say two. That's

47:04

exactly what I was going to

47:06

do. Completely out of left field

47:09

is two. No, sorry. Two is

47:11

an amazing number. Three strikes and

47:13

you guys are out. You only

47:16

guessed one of the top six

47:18

numbers that people chose thinking that

47:20

nobody would choose them. Which

47:23

means it's time to steal and

47:26

you can confirm amongst yourselves there

47:28

are five possible matches up there

47:30

and we've eliminated quite a few

47:33

numbers So I mean at a

47:35

certain point it gets to be

47:37

good odds. Yeah, it's not pie

47:40

13. It's it's arbitrary is what

47:42

it is. I was thinking 17,

47:44

but I was thinking seven prime

47:47

numbers. Okay, we got 17 or

47:49

11 The other question is how

47:51

OCD is our audience. Very. Why

47:54

do you ask that? Well, like,

47:56

my husband fits in this category,

47:58

and when he's doing the volume,

48:01

the volume cannot be on certain

48:03

numbers. Yeah, I would also say

48:05

this is kind of like that.

48:08

Potentially, that's why I'm thinking 17.

48:10

High enough, but odd. Final answer?

48:12

I don't know, 11's also a

48:15

pretty good number. You know, what

48:17

do you think, Chris? I like

48:20

17. 17. We think Amy, you

48:22

think in 17? Do it, lock

48:24

it in, lock it in, lock

48:27

it in. For the steel. Was

48:29

17 the number that was the

48:31

most chosen by people thinking it

48:34

would be the least chosen? Yes

48:36

it was. Number one answer. 17!

48:38

That's impressive. Good job guys. 34

48:41

people chose 17 thinking that the

48:43

least number of people would choose

48:45

17. Well when I said I

48:48

had two numbers it was 9

48:50

and 17. You guys steal and

48:52

you get 46 points because there

48:55

was a lot left on the

48:57

board. I will award those now

48:59

and we'll see what else was

49:02

on there. So number six, Nick

49:04

should have said one because 10

49:06

people did go for one in

49:09

fifth. I didn't sold you. The

49:11

number eight, 11 people thought eight

49:13

would be chosen the least. The

49:16

number 13, 12 people. And is

49:18

11 on there? No, it's not.

49:20

You would not have stolen. 14

49:23

was picked 12 times. Now here's

49:25

the actually least chosen, I already

49:28

gave you the points. You don't

49:30

get these. I want those points.

49:32

Here's the actually least chosen ones.

49:35

Um, 19.9 was once. 3.1415 was

49:37

only chosen once, Nick. You're very

49:39

close. Six point nine, and then

49:42

somebody chose eight point one, two,

49:44

three, zero, nine, eight, and then

49:46

a whole bunch of zeros. Oh.

49:49

So I should have said integer.

49:51

Clearly. Somebody spelled out the word

49:53

four, but that didn't fool me.

49:56

I can normalize that. One person

49:58

said E or Euler's number, which

50:00

we all know, is the base

50:03

of the... natural logarithm and exponential

50:05

function that approximates a 2.71828.

50:07

We all know that. Yeah, it's

50:10

powerhouse of the cell. And

50:12

then the actual number that

50:14

was chosen the least is

50:16

five. Only one person chose

50:18

five. So you win, whoever

50:21

chose five. You win, well

50:23

played. That was very well

50:25

played. All right. So after

50:27

now, five rounds. It's getting

50:29

pretty close actually. Team

50:31

zero has 148 and team one has

50:34

210. We move now to around six.

50:36

Okay, this is a bit inverted

50:38

because we also asked them what

50:40

number do you think will be

50:42

chosen the most in the previous

50:45

question, aka the worst, the worst

50:47

choice. So they had to guess

50:49

which would be choosing the least

50:51

and then they had to guess which

50:53

one to be chosen the most. Now

50:55

you know what was chosen the most.

50:58

that they thought would be chosen the

51:00

least. But now you have to

51:02

guess what was chosen. Can you actually

51:04

say that with a straight face, Jared?

51:07

I'm enjoying this a lot. It's very

51:09

hard to keep a straight face,

51:11

Jared. I'm enjoying this a lot. It's

51:13

very hard to keep a straight face.

51:15

Facing off in this round is

51:18

Amy. And the Mel, and we'll start

51:20

with Amy. So which of those less

51:22

than one, less than 20 numbers will

51:24

be chosen the most. We'll be chosen

51:27

the most. 10. Show

51:29

us 10. Sorry. Oh, didn't

51:31

register. Amel. I honestly

51:33

don't, like, there's, unfortunately,

51:36

my audio is a

51:39

little lagged today as

51:41

well, so between that

51:44

and like, this inception

51:47

of confusion, I'm

51:49

gonna just guess

51:51

a random number.

51:53

Let's go with seven

51:55

again. Show us seven.

51:57

You randomly guess the number one answer.

52:00

34 people five seven will

52:02

be chosen the most but

52:04

we all know that it

52:06

wasn't because 17 is chosen

52:08

the most okay so team

52:10

one's playing again go to

52:12

K ball I mean under

52:14

the principle of trying to

52:17

invert let's go with five show

52:19

us five X marks that

52:21

spot Nick hmm 14 show us

52:23

14 no one more strike us

52:25

14 no one more strike a

52:28

Unfortunately, you guys leaving the

52:30

board so open that when

52:32

they steal it, there's not

52:34

much points left there. Yeah,

52:37

let's see. Is it my turn?

52:39

Yeah. Yeah, okay, just making sure.

52:41

Just making sure, just making sure

52:44

I'm lagged, I'm lagged. Let's do

52:46

five. Show's five. Third strike,

52:48

a chance to steal once

52:50

again. This has just been

52:52

a game on repeat. Every

52:54

round feels the same. Team

52:56

one plays. Team Zero steals.

52:58

What do you think? The

53:01

number one is an

53:03

obvious choice. Eight, twelve,

53:05

sixteen. Even numbers? He's

53:07

wrong. I love that.

53:09

Eight, twelve, sixteen. Well,

53:11

if you got an

53:13

odd number at the

53:16

top there so far. And

53:18

the premise Jared is

53:20

what? Exactly. I can't

53:23

remember. No, the premise

53:25

is which. Of the numbers

53:27

between one and 20 inclusive,

53:30

do you think most people

53:32

are going to write down as

53:34

one that will be chosen the

53:36

least? So clear. Do any of

53:38

us feel strongly about the answer?

53:40

I feel like... One was at

53:42

the bottom last time. Seventeen

53:44

was at the top. Seventeen

53:46

is probably not on this board,

53:49

and if it is, it's possible,

53:51

maybe. But like, one's for sure

53:53

going to be here. That's

53:56

just my logic, but I'd love

53:58

to be wrong What do

54:00

you think? What are you

54:03

going with? Just one, I

54:05

guess, right? I think we

54:07

both, yeah, just go ahead.

54:09

Do you feel strongly about,

54:12

what did you say? 12,

54:14

17, 45, and what? No.

54:16

He said eight? 45. What

54:18

are we going with? Just

54:20

one, I guess, right? One.

54:23

Did the most people think

54:25

one would be the one

54:27

that the most people chose

54:29

would be the least chosen?

54:32

You stole it! The number

54:34

two answer is one. 24

54:36

people thought one would be

54:38

the one. Which means you

54:41

steal a total of 58

54:43

points. It's getting tight y'all.

54:45

Give this points up to

54:47

us. Oh my goodness. Look

54:49

at that score. Going into

54:52

the final round. Team zero

54:54

206. Team one, two, ten,

54:56

and. The last round is

54:58

double points. This is a

55:01

repeat of that conference. I

55:03

know, that wasn't going to

55:05

jinxed. Are you sweating? No.

55:07

I'm smiling. You're smiling, okay.

55:10

I'm sweating and smiling. We

55:12

could review the other ones

55:14

that were chosen, but who

55:16

cares? Let's move to round

55:18

seven. Well

55:22

friends, I'm here with Samar Abbas,

55:24

co-founder and CEO of Temporal. Temporal

55:26

is the platform developers used to

55:28

build invincible applications. So Sammar, I

55:31

want you to tell me the

55:33

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55:35

one of your big customers, well-known,

55:37

obviously operating at scale, but how

55:40

do they find you? Did they

55:42

start with Open Source? Then move

55:44

to cloud. What's their story? Yes,

55:46

Snapchat has a very interesting story.

55:48

So first of all, the thing

55:51

which attracted them to the platform

55:53

was the awesome developer experience it

55:55

brings in for building reliable applications.

55:57

One of the use cases for

55:59

snap was snap. discover team where

56:02

every time you post a snap

56:04

story there is a lot of

56:06

background processing that needs to happen

56:08

before that story starts showing up

56:11

in other people's timelines and all

56:13

of that architecture was built composing

56:15

using cues databases timers and all

56:17

sorts of other glue that people

56:19

kind of deal with while building

56:22

these large scale case-synchronous applications. And

56:24

with Temporal, the developer model, the

56:26

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56:28

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56:31

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56:33

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56:35

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56:37

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56:39

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56:44

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56:46

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56:48

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56:50

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56:53

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56:55

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57:42

time for another face off. This

57:44

goes Chris and cable. We asked

57:46

our audience. What's the first programming

57:48

related movie that comes to your

57:50

mind? Sorry, cable. I know you

57:53

don't watch movies. I did not

57:55

plan this. Chris can go first.

57:57

Yes, a program related movie. There

57:59

are five on the board. Top

58:01

five answers. What do you think?

58:04

Hackers. Show us hackers. Number one

58:06

answer. Hackers. 53. That's double points

58:08

to 106. And for the first

58:10

time, I believe. Team Zero is

58:13

playing. Whoo, this is looking bad

58:15

for you, Mel. Okay, we go

58:17

to Adam. There are five on

58:19

the board. We have number one.

58:21

So two through four. This is

58:24

number two. Who's ready for number

58:26

two? We're ready. Swordfish. Show us

58:28

swordfish. Not number two. You gotta

58:30

be kidding me. I've seen a

58:33

knot. This could be the all-time

58:35

choke job. No pressure. I'm enjoying

58:37

the heck out of this. Okay.

58:39

Amy. The social network. The social

58:41

network. The social network. Survey says.

58:44

Number four, answer, the social network

58:46

with 14 responses. Worth 28 points,

58:48

good guess Amy. Yeah, I didn't

58:50

quite think that movie was ever

58:52

about programming. It was more like,

58:55

here's the lesson and vengeful deceit.

58:57

Programming related, and this is not

58:59

about programming how. And why you

59:01

should dress nobody? You know? Good

59:04

job though, Amy. All right, Chris,

59:06

back to you. Jurassic Park. Oh

59:08

my God. It's eunuchs. I know

59:10

it. That's a really good one.

59:12

Unfortunately, isn't quite good enough. I

59:15

love that moment. Adam, it's all

59:17

you. Oh, but it's not top

59:19

of mind. There are three left.

59:21

We have number one hackers. Two

59:24

and three are blank. Number four,

59:26

the social network, and number five

59:28

is also blank. So. Here I

59:30

thought we'd just pick them off

59:32

one by one, but there's a

59:35

lot of movies that have subtle

59:37

references that aren't necessarily top of

59:39

mind. He's less confident this time

59:41

around, swordfish, blew his confidence. Yeah,

59:44

a little bit. I'm feeling down

59:46

thinking, of course. Can you be

59:48

like one of those reasoning models

59:50

that does its thinking out loud?

59:52

If I reasoned out loud, I

59:55

would potentially help the team who

59:57

may try to take me down.

59:59

Yeah, don't leak anything. Yeah, I'm

1:00:01

not leaking, man. We don't need

1:00:03

anything. I'm trying to, I'm just

1:00:06

trying to prompt and inject you.

1:00:08

A few minutes later. You know,

1:00:10

it's against my better judgment. I'm

1:00:12

thinking the audience connects Ready Player

1:00:15

One to programming somehow. There are

1:00:17

bankers. But I could be wrong.

1:00:19

Well, it's time to tell. Is

1:00:21

he right or wrong? Is Ready

1:00:23

Player One, one of the top

1:00:26

five programming-related movies that comes to

1:00:28

our listeners' minds? It is not.

1:00:30

He is wrong, and for the

1:00:32

first time, Team One gets to

1:00:35

steal, and if they steal this,

1:00:37

they steal the entire game, and

1:00:39

Amel is totally justified. So, you

1:00:41

guys can confer. There's three options

1:00:43

out there. You just got to

1:00:46

hit one of them. Okay, okay,

1:00:48

guys, okay, the matrix, the matrix,

1:00:50

the matrix, the matrix, the matrix,

1:00:52

the matrix, the matrix, the matrix,

1:00:54

the whole way. The whole time,

1:00:57

I was like, I didn't even

1:00:59

think about hackers or social network,

1:01:01

I was like, matrix, matrix, okay,

1:01:03

should we do it? So there's

1:01:06

the matrix, and there's like the

1:01:08

matrix, and there's like the reloaded

1:01:10

and revolutions, like, I think we

1:01:12

should just say the matrix, I'm

1:01:14

sure, it's, it's on the matrix,

1:01:17

it's on the matrix, the matrix,

1:01:19

like, the matrix, the matrix, the

1:01:21

matrix, like, the matrix, the matrix,

1:01:23

the matrix, like, the matrix, like,

1:01:26

the matrix, the matrix, the matrix,

1:01:28

the matrix, like, like, matrix, matrix,

1:01:30

the matrix, the matrix, like, matrix,

1:01:32

matrix, matrix, matrix, the matrix, matrix,

1:01:34

matrix, matrix, matrix, matrix, matrix, matrix,

1:01:37

matrix, matrix, matrix, matrix, matrix, matrix,

1:01:39

matrix, matrix, You know, okay, the

1:01:41

Matrix, the Matrix Revolutions, and the

1:01:43

Matrix reloaded, I think. Okay, so

1:01:45

as of right now, Team Zero

1:01:48

has 206 points, and Team One

1:01:50

has 210 points. Team Zero won

1:01:52

the round, they have 134 points

1:01:54

scored already, they're banked. However, if

1:01:57

the Matrix is in the top

1:01:59

five, Team One will steal the

1:02:01

round and steal a game and

1:02:03

be winners and a Mel. Will

1:02:05

not look like a fool for

1:02:08

it having declared her victory prematurely.

1:02:10

What is gonna happen is the

1:02:12

matrix on the board? It is

1:02:14

Number two nice nice awesome the

1:02:17

steel is successful so a hundred

1:02:19

and eighty two points go back

1:02:21

to team one Holy crap It

1:02:23

looks like a domination even though

1:02:25

it was very tight. Oh yeah,

1:02:28

yeah, that's true. It really was.

1:02:30

It's all the stealing, you know.

1:02:32

I prefer to be in the

1:02:34

stealing side because I think the

1:02:37

advantage is to you. Do you

1:02:39

guys want to see the other

1:02:41

movies on the board? I'm going

1:02:43

to guess the imitation game. Nope.

1:02:45

Nope. I was thinking V for

1:02:48

Vendetta and then I realized that

1:02:50

that was actually, that was just

1:02:52

how the anonymous logo was born

1:02:54

versus like. That's actually not about

1:02:56

programming at all. No. Tron, war

1:02:59

games, sneakers, her. Okay, well I

1:03:01

did hear, I heard them all,

1:03:03

I heard them all, I heard

1:03:05

them all, so sneakers was number

1:03:08

five, with five people. You also

1:03:10

said war games. Nick, wow. War

1:03:12

games. Honorable mentions, Tron, these all

1:03:14

made less than five people. Tron,

1:03:16

the net, sword fish got three

1:03:19

at them. Her, ex machina, ex

1:03:21

machina. The imitation game, gatica, Pirates

1:03:23

of Silicon Valley, and of course,

1:03:25

Silicon Valley, the TV show, which

1:03:28

I can only assume was Adam.

1:03:30

I didn't, I didn't take the

1:03:32

survey. You know, Adam, I sure

1:03:34

hope you didn't take the survey.

1:03:36

Yeah. And it was TV. It

1:03:39

wasn't a movie. I would have

1:03:41

guessed that if I thought it

1:03:43

was TV. That's true. There was

1:03:45

a lot of TV shows on

1:03:47

there. I'm like, do y'all read

1:03:50

the actual, too. All right, well

1:03:52

for our very first game of

1:03:54

friendly feud with 392 points, Nick,

1:03:56

Amel, and Caball, you all win.

1:03:59

Congratulations. Here's

1:04:01

your fake applause. I feel so,

1:04:03

I feel so like this is

1:04:06

like the best welcome back hug

1:04:08

ever is to win. Although I

1:04:10

did call people basic, but I

1:04:12

didn't mean it in a bad

1:04:14

way. I thought you meant basic

1:04:17

programming. I just meant like I

1:04:19

have a. Universal brain like that's

1:04:21

like, you know, you're supposed to

1:04:23

say great minds think alike, but

1:04:25

you said all these people are

1:04:27

basic. Oh, well, I meant. Well,

1:04:30

everybody, thanks for playing out. Normally

1:04:32

we'll give our winning team a

1:04:34

chance to like say a speech

1:04:36

or shout something out. Do you

1:04:38

guys have anything to say? Are

1:04:41

you all out? I'll tuck it

1:04:43

out. I mean, I'm going to

1:04:45

continue to channel. My 11 year

1:04:47

old and like the Gen Z

1:04:49

or Alpha or whatever slang which

1:04:52

is you know He did this

1:04:54

at some point when we just

1:04:56

got destroyed in a video game.

1:04:58

He says y'all got cooked and

1:05:00

I'm the chef noodles Oh my

1:05:02

gosh, dang Wow, we now will

1:05:05

just go around in the house

1:05:07

and some things go out and

1:05:09

we'll just be like noodles with

1:05:11

your kids? I might try that,

1:05:13

yeah. Okay, cool. That might go

1:05:16

over pretty well. I mean, y'all

1:05:18

have heard the sort of the

1:05:20

generational evolution of things, right? Like,

1:05:22

so back when we were young,

1:05:24

things were the shit. You know,

1:05:26

and then at some point, you

1:05:29

know, it was like, oh, that's

1:05:31

fire. And then it was like,

1:05:33

I'm gonna cook you, and then

1:05:35

it's like, you got eaten, I'm

1:05:37

gonna eat you, and pretty soon

1:05:40

it's gonna be back to where

1:05:42

we were at the beginning, and

1:05:44

it's coming out again. Oh, really?

1:05:46

Think about that. Oh my God.

1:05:48

You're not such a shit. You're

1:05:50

my shit. Oh my God. There

1:05:53

you go. There you go. That

1:05:55

moves it around, right? But like,

1:05:57

it's like, that's hot, that's fire.

1:05:59

Oh, that's cooking. Oh, they were

1:06:01

eaten. And like, it is evolving

1:06:04

back towards where it was when

1:06:06

we were all young. And they did

1:06:08

sick too. Oh yeah? Sick, yeah. Does

1:06:10

Ohio mean good or is that

1:06:12

bad? Does Ohio mean good?

1:06:15

Only when compared to Nebraska. Oh, Nick.

1:06:17

Why do you set people up to

1:06:19

get burned to get cooked? That's a

1:06:21

thing. They say that's Ohio. To get

1:06:23

noodles. Have you all played this game,

1:06:25

though? Those of you with kids who are

1:06:28

in that preteen or teen thing, where you

1:06:30

get a list of the sayings that they

1:06:32

do, and you get them to like sit

1:06:34

there with water in their mouths, and you

1:06:36

just like dead pan, the sayings, and

1:06:38

see how long they can last without.

1:06:40

Busting up and sporting all

1:06:42

the water out. I think that's

1:06:45

a new, what do you call

1:06:47

that? That's that the hot wings

1:06:49

chicken show or whatever. What am

1:06:51

I thinking about? Hot ones. Hot

1:06:53

ones. Hot ones. Yes. Hot ones.

1:06:55

It's like a variation of that.

1:06:57

Like, that's like the one with

1:06:59

the tortillas and the water in

1:07:02

the mouth. You all seen that

1:07:04

one. Tortilla slap challenge. Yeah. Oh

1:07:06

yeah, they slap each other. Yeah,

1:07:08

I don't know. My sister's six

1:07:10

and a half years younger

1:07:12

than me and, you know, we're both

1:07:14

in the same decade now, you know,

1:07:16

but like, every time I hang out

1:07:19

with her, I feel like I come

1:07:21

back with like such a, like 50

1:07:23

new vocabulary words and terms. Like, it's

1:07:25

amazing how old than out of touch I

1:07:27

am, you know. Can you share one for

1:07:30

us? I don't know anything. I

1:07:32

mean, this one isn't even new,

1:07:34

I'll share, but I used it

1:07:36

recently in a sentence and then

1:07:39

someone else at work started to

1:07:41

use it. But like, she was

1:07:43

like, oh, this thing is so

1:07:45

clutch, you know, like, she's like,

1:07:48

oh, this thing is so clutch,

1:07:50

you know, like, she knows, she's

1:07:52

like, oh, she knows, she's like,

1:07:55

oh, she knows, she's like, oh

1:07:57

my God, yeah, she's not, I'll

1:07:59

share. But yeah, I know, I

1:08:01

mean, English is like a, English

1:08:04

is a fascinating language and, and

1:08:06

from my understanding, one of the

1:08:08

reasons why it's dominated, the world,

1:08:10

besides like colonization and all of

1:08:12

that jazz, is, it's, it's able

1:08:14

to absorb other languages very easily.

1:08:17

Malleable. Yeah, very malleable. And, you

1:08:19

know, it takes in, it's very

1:08:21

flexible rules wise. If anybody else

1:08:23

speaks other languages, you know how.

1:08:25

English feels so much more aerated

1:08:28

than other languages. And so, yeah,

1:08:30

it's pretty cool. It is cool.

1:08:32

So I mean, our Zulip was

1:08:34

hating on English the other day,

1:08:36

and I was just like, how's

1:08:39

she gonna happen there? Be like,

1:08:41

I love English. English is the

1:08:43

best. Yeah. I didn't want to

1:08:45

be like that, so I didn't

1:08:47

say it. I'm saying it now,

1:08:49

English is awesome. I listen to

1:08:52

my children as preteens now and

1:08:54

I wonder if I speak English.

1:08:56

It doesn't seem to be the

1:08:58

same English they're speaking. Exactly, exactly.

1:09:00

And then there's pigeon English, right?

1:09:03

There's actually official pigeon English as

1:09:05

too, like you know, all over

1:09:07

the Caribbean and you know, many

1:09:09

parts of Africa, you know, so

1:09:11

that it's, yeah, it's funny. Yeah,

1:09:13

I have that too. But you

1:09:16

know what, I will say this,

1:09:18

certain things are very hard to

1:09:20

say in English succinctly. I'd say

1:09:22

like English isn't maybe the best

1:09:24

when it comes to the richness

1:09:27

of vocabulary. I think as other

1:09:29

languages do a better job at

1:09:31

like, you know, there's like 50

1:09:33

words for one thing in certain

1:09:35

languages, you know, depending on the

1:09:38

context and whatever, and like that

1:09:40

richness and depth of language is

1:09:42

kind of missing from English, I

1:09:44

feel. It takes like many words

1:09:46

to say something sometimes, and in

1:09:48

other words, it's like just, you

1:09:51

know, you just have to say.

1:09:53

In other languages, you just have

1:09:55

to say a word. For some

1:09:57

people more than others. Yes, yes,

1:09:59

like myself, like myself. I was

1:10:02

just thinking, I love how long

1:10:04

it's thinking here to explain. Well,

1:10:06

you know, I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm

1:10:08

a, what, deductive, inductive communicator. I'm

1:10:10

like, one of the, yeah, dash,

1:10:13

dash, v, dash, verb, both. Give

1:10:15

us all the words. I think

1:10:17

my favorite do word to say

1:10:19

or to use is like, span

1:10:21

those buttons, like, we play a

1:10:23

lot of switch, you know, or

1:10:26

like, spam connotation, you know, like,

1:10:28

that's a cool reuse that's like,

1:10:30

like, like, like, on connotation. and

1:10:32

like Sigma. I have no idea

1:10:34

what it means, but it's cool.

1:10:37

It's not in school. It's like,

1:10:39

that sounds cool. And Rizzler? My

1:10:41

seven-year-old doesn't call things dumb or

1:10:43

stupid. He only says derpy. Derpy?

1:10:45

Something derpy? Is that come from

1:10:48

my herpa derpy? I think. It

1:10:50

came from the derp mean. A

1:10:52

mega man or whatever would die.

1:10:56

All right, we gotta end this

1:10:58

show because we are Showing Our

1:11:00

Age. I thought it was over.

1:11:03

Thanks guys for playing friendly feud

1:11:05

with us It was fun. We

1:11:07

did ask way more questions than

1:11:10

just these so we can play

1:11:12

some more games without having to

1:11:14

do more surveys. So Stay tuned

1:11:17

for more friendly feud in the

1:11:19

future future friendly feud. Bye friends.

1:11:21

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