0:08

So it was February

0:10

twenty twelve, I think, and we just

0:12

started a new term with the new set of

0:14

lectures. Alex, then

0:17

a nineteen year old engineering student

0:19

was sitting with his friend, Allen, in the lecture hall,

0:21

one day listening to their professor, introduced

0:24

the class. He's

0:25

Oh, this actually somewhat intimidating Canadian.

0:29

And he starts

0:31

off telling us about how he doesn't

0:33

want us using disreputable solsys,

0:36

including one we've probably all

0:38

used at one point or another,

0:41

Wikipedia. And he

0:44

says, you better watch out with Wikipedia,

0:46

you never know who might set themselves as

0:48

the invention of the toaster. Most

0:50

of the students

0:51

laugh, but Alex had an idea.

0:54

He went

0:54

to Wikipedia, searched for electric

0:56

toaster, and read over the page.

1:00

The previous sentence that had been there was just

1:02

no one knows who's invented toaster.

1:06

No one knows who's invented the toaster.

1:09

You know what? We can know

1:11

who invented the toaster. So

1:14

I wrote up a good beat. Oh, that's fine. There's

1:16

clearly been some vandalism here. I'll

1:18

revert it back and I'll look over an

1:20

Alan, and I look back at my computer screen,

1:22

and I look back at Alan, and I look back at

1:25

my computer screen, and I type

1:27

in Alan Mc Masters invented

1:29

the first electric red toaster in

1:31

eighteen ninety three in

1:32

Edinburgh. Full stop. Send.

1:37

Wikipedia's brand new inventor of the toaster,

1:39

Alan McMaster, a Scotsman

1:41

from Edinburgh who developed an electric,

1:44

iron wired toasting appliance that was marketed

1:47

as the eclipse. The real

1:49

Allen thought the whole gag will be over

1:51

soon enough.

1:52

My first thought was maybe just crack the article

1:54

in deleted, and there's a bit cheeky

1:57

to put my name on. But I expected

1:59

that it would just be reverted quite soon.

2:02

That someone would see the

2:04

edit, flagged up the history. And

2:06

by the end of the afternoon, it would be gone.

2:09

So

2:09

it wasn't too upset. I

2:11

think that's how we all felt as as

2:13

they would just go away after

2:16

not more than a day or two. But let's

2:18

just say this lie. It lasted

2:20

a lot longer than a day or two. I'm

2:23

also sleeping and this is cheap.

2:25

The podcast where we asked Is it

2:27

ever okay to break the rule? This

2:30

week, who really invented the

2:32

electric toaster?

2:42

It was a night in early twenty thirteen.

2:45

And Alan and Alex were out drinking with

2:47

their buddies from school. It's

2:50

been almost a year since that fateful day

2:52

in the lecture hall. And someone

2:54

had just asked him, hey,

2:57

whatever happened to that fake Wikipedia page

3:00

you made. So they got

3:02

out their phone, searched for Alex

3:04

McMaster, and

3:05

they came across an article, written

3:07

a few months earlier in the Daily Mirror.

3:11

Talking about great British inventors

3:14

and every cycle, masters.

3:16

He's the one who invented the the just went through.

3:18

So

3:18

isn't he right? But we had a bit of a charcoal

3:20

balance that we thought, oh, this is kind of ridiculous.

3:23

The article was a Roundup of household

3:25

products created by British inventor.

3:28

There was the first mechanical lawnmower,

3:31

motorized vacuum that never really

3:33

took off, and of course,

3:35

the electric toaster. I

3:41

thought, well, even though it's still there, it

3:43

probably will eventually go away. But

3:45

if there's already news articles citing

3:47

that Alan lived into the toaster, well,

3:50

might as well use it as a citation of

3:52

Wikipedia. Once that's done,

3:54

I wonder if people actually

3:56

believe this as facts.

3:58

I'm gonna go ahead and just create a form

4:00

article about the supposed Allen

4:02

McMaster's and then from the And

4:06

so I sort of set to work. Later

4:08

that night, Alex sat down at his

4:10

computer and started writing.

4:13

The toaster has this perfect balance

4:15

between mean the invention of it

4:17

not necessarily being this incredibly

4:20

scientifically notable event that

4:22

happened in history that would be well scrutinized.

4:25

And yet at the same time, it

4:27

holds this really special

4:30

place culturally in

4:32

so many countries, particularly in inferior

4:34

countries. Where, let's be honest, we kind

4:36

of love our sliced bread and and

4:39

toasters. He wanted

4:41

to give the inventor of the electric a

4:43

backstory that would highlight his people love

4:45

of the end

4:46

result. Crunchy bread.

4:48

I picked a random date in eighteen

4:51

ninety three. I did a bit of

4:53

research around when there might have

4:55

been some work on heating

4:57

elements that make it

4:58

believable. Like

5:01

most fiction writers, Alex took a lot

5:03

of inspiration from his own life.

5:05

While in school, he had a part time job

5:07

with railroad company.

5:08

He felt like the train

5:10

tunnels would be the perfect setting for

5:12

Allan's big discovery. We started

5:14

writing about how Allan was

5:17

working on this London underground lighting

5:19

system, and he was just drinking far

5:21

too much whiskey. At one night,

5:23

he got drunk and burned some bread

5:25

by keeping it too close to the heating elements

5:27

of the filament on the

5:29

lights, and they'll I'll have one

5:31

of these in my kitchen. Every so

5:33

often, Alex will return to the Wikipedia

5:35

page and add details to Alan

5:37

McMaster's life story. He wrote

5:39

about how Alan had helped to invent the electric

5:41

kettle to that it was powered with an

5:43

adapter that plugged in between lamp and

5:45

a socket. And

5:47

then other ridiculous stories about

5:49

how these early toasters were

5:51

so unreliable. This woman's

5:53

house burnt down in Gilford, and she

5:56

got trapped inside and died. And

5:58

Alan Oh, oh, shoot us.

6:00

Yeah. I can do this with this,

6:02

but now

6:05

Alan was taken to court he defended

6:07

himself by saying, oh, you know, clearly

6:09

the woman's fault, you know, she didn't hold

6:11

appropriate respect for the power of

6:13

the electric bread toaster.

6:15

I can see how that was a sniper aiming at me

6:18

after footist. I

6:20

I didn't realize how ridiculous the article

6:22

had got it. Because I I

6:24

was sort of away most of these years

6:27

outside of UK. So

6:29

when I showed this story to

6:31

my friend years later and they read

6:33

the article. I had no idea that

6:36

the article had all these ridiculous stories

6:38

and

6:39

there was just nonsense that I was astounded

6:41

that it still survived. This

6:45

article didn't just survive. It

6:47

thrived. After the Daily Mirror

6:49

piece was published, more and more media

6:52

kept picking up the story. And

6:54

Alex used that to make his Wikipedia page

6:56

look more credible. Basically,

6:59

anytime someone reported that Alan

7:01

Mc Masters was the inventor, Alex

7:03

would link to it on his Wikipedia page.

7:06

It made his article seem genuine, and

7:08

that would encourage more influential sources

7:10

to report Alan as the inventor of the

7:13

toaster. The whole thing

7:15

became an endless loop of disinformation. And

7:18

all the juicy details Alex added online

7:21

just spread further and further. As

7:24

Alex worked on his article, he

7:26

realized there was one thing missing. He

7:28

needed to put a face to Alan McMaster's

7:31

the toaster man. My

7:34

girlfriend sort of styled my

7:36

hair ridiculously with

7:39

this very looked

7:41

up tall up here in

7:43

the front and some oversized

7:45

sideburns and there was a lot photo

7:48

shop involved, a lot of black and

7:50

white filters and the most ridiculous

7:53

picture that had a fake

7:55

rip running through the middle of it to hide

7:57

the fact that I had modern clothes and was definitely

7:59

not a nineteenth century

8:02

scientist. And this picture

8:04

went up our Wikipedia. That's for

8:06

the infamous fake Allen McMaster's

8:08

picture that is not a picture of Allen at

8:10

all was born. Little did he

8:13

know eventually that picture would

8:15

spread further than he ever imagined.

8:18

He never thought anyone would buy it for a moment.

8:20

And, yeah, over ten years

8:22

later, it was not only

8:25

still there but being used by

8:28

some relatively reputable sources.

8:34

Eventually, our Hoaxster Alex started noticing

8:36

something strange happening. Alan

8:39

McMaster's made the leap from news

8:41

articles to

8:42

historical sources. He

8:44

first spotted it when he was walking around a

8:46

local bookshop.

8:48

And I picked up a book on Victorian

8:50

inventors, flipped over

8:52

to a page and Huddl wasn't

8:54

there. Mhmm. As the inventor of the toaster,

8:56

and I thought, well, this is a

8:58

bit mad.

9:00

That book was one of several published

9:02

in multiple languages that named Alan

9:04

as the inventor of the but

9:07

it wasn't the only place his name popped up.

9:10

Alan McMaster's story had become

9:12

a legend in his fake homeland, Scotland,

9:15

as Marco Silva, an investigative journalist,

9:18

explained.

9:19

A primary school devoted an

9:21

entire day to Alan

9:24

McMaster's the supposed inventor

9:26

of the seeing, like,

9:29

children doing homework assignments

9:32

with Allen McMaster's. It had gotten

9:34

a bit out of I did feel a bit

9:36

bad, though.

9:38

And it wasn't

9:38

just school kids. Proud

9:41

Scotts everywhere claim Allen Mc

9:43

Masters as their own.

9:44

Scotland dot org,

9:46

the brand Scotland website that is

9:48

run by the Scottish government listed

9:51

among notable inventors that

9:54

had been born in Scotland, Alan

9:57

McMaster's Think about Alan McMaster's.

10:00

This great Scott who is able

10:02

to single handedly create electric

10:04

lighting systems for underground trains

10:07

and invent the toaster and apparently

10:09

even the electric kettle and all these wonderful

10:11

things. I always thought, wow, we can actually

10:13

have a monument on our hands. They

10:16

were so

10:16

proud. As guided chef

10:19

even named dish after Alan when he

10:21

competed in the Great British menu, a

10:23

long running TV show. So

10:25

what are you making and what's the title?

10:26

Breakfast Club, and it's celebrating

10:29

Allan with mass who invented the first

10:31

electric tool stuff.

10:32

Oh. And, yeah, I'm doing the breakfast table.

10:35

He said there was so much confidence too. He's

10:37

like, yeah. Pretty

10:40

much everywhere Marco looked. He

10:43

spotted Alan

10:43

McMaster's. In twenty eighteen,

10:46

the Bank of England invited the British

10:48

public to do forward names

10:50

of people that they thought were

10:53

worthy of appearing on the

10:55

next fifty pound note. Among

10:57

the hundreds of people that were listed

10:59

to appear on the max fifty pound

11:01

note, then it was Alan McMaster's

11:04

the fake inventor of

11:06

the Hoaxster. Alan McMaster's

11:08

famed spread is not surprising

11:11

that no one caught on. Wikipedia

11:13

relies on volunteers to check that articles

11:15

are accurate properly sourced and free

11:18

from mistakes. But

11:20

there's tens of millions of articles out there

11:22

and not enough volunteers to check every

11:24

single one. Of course, the

11:26

inaccuracies are gonna make it through without

11:28

getting caught. Plus,

11:29

it's not like the realtor

11:32

winner could tell the world that Alex

11:34

was wrong.

11:35

There is no living person who's claiming

11:37

hold on. It's not Alan Matmases,

11:39

we invented the It was me. No. The

11:41

real inventor of the toaster is dead.

11:44

So there's no one no one around to

11:46

claim that authorship. Meanwhile,

11:50

the real Alec McMaster had

11:52

no idea how far things it's credit.

11:55

He only started paying attention after people

11:57

in his life started asking him if he

11:59

had ever heard of his name say

12:01

Anqueries came from his work colleagues

12:04

and even his own dad. He

12:06

was looking around on Google one

12:09

day. He found the name. And he thought,

12:11

oh, well, related to the inventor

12:13

of the toast. He has the same name as you,

12:15

then I thought I had to disappoint and console

12:18

him, but about Alex is trying.

12:21

Alan, the great toaster inventor, had

12:23

become a household name. But

12:26

an eager eyed teenager was about to

12:28

blow the whole thing wide open.

12:31

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Okay. Let's set the scene.

14:17

We're at a school

14:19

in the UK with a kid named Adam.

14:22

He's fifteen. Studies photography

14:25

and loves Wikipedia,

14:28

I probably have at least one Wikipedia

14:30

article up like every hour.

14:32

It makes you feel like small. You know what I'm saying? Like,

14:35

it's like, I won't read a

14:36

book, but I will read a whole page of Wikipedia

14:38

if you want me to. I gotta be honest.

14:40

This kid is fifteen years old. I

14:43

was expecting him to say that he loved video

14:45

games or something. Nope.

14:48

He enjoys long strolls on

14:50

Wikipedia. Well,

14:53

it was sometime in July of twenty twenty

14:55

two, and Adam was working on an assignment

14:57

in class. He fired up his

15:00

online buddy, Wikipedia, to

15:02

look something

15:03

up. And like some teacher,

15:06

you was like, oh, don't use Wikipedia. It's

15:08

not trustworthy. There's an article on

15:10

there called Allen Mac

15:11

Masters, and the picture on

15:13

it is fake. It's not actually the real

15:15

person. And then I thought I was really

15:18

interested. Adam's teacher

15:20

had somehow realized that the photo

15:22

of all time Miami Allen Mc Masters

15:25

was

15:25

fake, but she still

15:26

thought the entry itself was real,

15:29

just like the rest of the world. Adam

15:31

was interested in seeing the fake So

15:33

he pulled up the entry about Alan McMaster.

15:36

But as soon as he saw the portrait, he

15:39

knew it was a hoax. It just

15:41

doesn't look like an act

15:43

sure, like, picture from back then.

15:45

I kind of took, like, my

15:47

knowledge and photography and put it onto the picture.

15:50

And I was like, yeah. No. That was definitely made.

15:52

He's like a motion camera.

15:53

Adam told a friend

15:55

or two about the discovery and then

15:57

forgot about it. Until

15:59

one day few weeks later, Adam

16:03

was browsing Reddit and stumbled onto

16:05

a sub Reddit called Wikipedia vandalism.

16:08

Thought it was hilarious. Like, I just see, like, random

16:11

things getting edited, like football players and

16:13

whatnot, get, like, trolled not. I

16:15

thought it was really funny. A typical post

16:17

on this subreddit would be a screenshot

16:19

of a Wikipedia page and a caption

16:21

highlighting of funny

16:22

edit. For example, someone

16:24

edited, like, the monopoly page and put

16:27

the playing time to twenty minutes

16:29

to about,

16:29

like, one thousand four hundred forty

16:31

minutes. As Adam was scrolling,

16:34

a thought came to him. I know

16:36

what would make people laugh. What

16:39

about that photo of Allen Mc

16:40

Masters? I took a screen of it,

16:42

uploaded it to red it with the caption

16:44

that changed everything. The picture

16:47

of the event of the toaster was

16:48

faked. And it was a hit.

16:51

Pretty soon, people started commenting. People

16:54

immediately, like, they were, like, laughing.

16:56

Why they're, like, oh my god, I'd use this in a presentation.

16:58

I can't believe fake. A few

17:01

days after Adam posted on Reddit,

17:02

BBC journalist Marco

17:04

Silva was working on some story ideas.

17:07

He was

17:07

researching climate change and disinformation

17:10

when he got a Twitter DM.

17:12

And of course, have nothing

17:14

to do with climate change. Or at least, not

17:17

for the purposes of the Sappi Zone.

17:19

The DMR sent Marco a link to

17:21

a blog posted on Wikipedia Pediography. It's

17:24

a website that scrutinizes

17:26

Wikipedia that looks

17:29

at any potential shortcomings on the

17:31

platform. As he read through the

17:33

post, he thought to himself, this

17:35

story is crazy.

17:37

I need to report on this. From

17:39

the very first moment I read that

17:41

blog post, I found the story

17:44

just amazing because

17:47

of

17:47

the implications it had, how

17:49

wild it went, how widely

17:51

it spread. A user had

17:53

written a blog post all about a Wikipedia

17:56

article with a pretty wild history. It

17:59

had been up for a decade. It told

18:01

the story of a famous inventor from Scotland

18:04

but the details seem too weird to

18:06

be true. Sounds

18:08

like anyone we know? He

18:11

was reading about Alan McMaster's, the

18:13

supposed inventor of the toaster. The

18:16

blog writer had interviewed the hoaxer Alex

18:18

anonymously and detail some

18:20

of the ways his lies had spread. Marco

18:24

was hooked. He begged his

18:26

editor to let him work on the story as

18:28

a side

18:28

project. It

18:30

was a story that allowed me

18:32

to tell the public about

18:35

how bad information circulates online

18:37

while simultaneously putting a

18:40

smile on their

18:40

faces, which, by god, those

18:42

stories don't come around very often.

18:46

And by god, they said yes.

18:48

Marco got to work.

18:51

I decided to take it one step further,

18:53

not only reach out to the hoaxer

18:55

himself, but to also

18:57

speak to the various people that somehow

19:00

ended up being involved or affected

19:02

by the toaster

19:04

hoax. And the more people

19:06

I spoke to, the more I realized that

19:09

this one Reddit

19:11

post seemed to be at the origin of

19:14

everything seemed to set in motion at a

19:16

chain of events. Adam's post

19:18

alerted Wikipedia editors to the fraudulent

19:20

article. And they were the ones

19:22

who started the conversation about

19:24

whether or not this article was

19:26

genuine. An investigation was opened.

19:29

Meanwhile, Marco spoke to everyone

19:31

he could. He messaged posters on

19:33

Wikipedia bureaucracy. He interviewed

19:35

Alec and got in touch with the real Alan

19:37

Hoaxster. He even chatted with

19:40

Scott Smith, the chef who used Alan

19:42

as an inspiration on the Great British menu,

19:45

but all of that still left

19:47

the biggest question unanswered. Who

19:51

really created the election ripped toaster. And

19:54

this ended up being far more difficult than

19:56

I thought I would be. He started

19:58

like anyone would. He loaded

20:00

up his computer and typed the

20:02

question

20:04

who invented the toaster. But

20:08

guess what name came up? There

20:10

were pages after pages

20:12

after pages of Internet results

20:15

listing Alan Mac Masters as

20:17

the inventor of the in a few others

20:19

pointing me in all the directions, so

20:22

there was a moment's dead of confusion. So

20:25

Marco started asking around. I

20:27

ended up speaking to to electors

20:30

in Europe, in

20:31

US, museum curators, experts

20:34

in domestic appliances. And

20:37

based on what they told him, he

20:39

settled on a name.

20:39

Frank Shailer.

20:42

He appears to have filed the first

20:44

patent for a commercially available toaster

20:47

back in nineteen o nine,

20:49

and he did so on behalf of the general

20:52

electric company in US.

20:55

Now, it's worth saying that many

20:57

of people were experimenting with similar

20:59

inventions, but

21:00

Frank's patent is the earliest Markle

21:03

ended up finding. So that's what

21:05

he settled on. Istoaster is

21:07

called the d twelve, a rather sexy

21:09

name for a of course. And

21:11

it is widely understood to be first

21:14

commercially available electrical

21:17

toaster, which looks completely different,

21:19

by the way, to the toaster that you

21:21

would have in your kitchen today. Meanwhile,

21:24

Wikipedia's investigation found

21:27

out what we knew all alone.

21:29

The post about Allen Mc Masters was

21:32

completely fake. And in

21:34

less than twenty four hours, it had

21:36

been nominated for deletion. So

21:38

basically, Alex Lai

21:41

was you guessed it. Toast.

21:45

was just dumbfounded. They referred

21:47

to my post. They're like, so like, this

21:49

guy on Reddit, he

21:51

mentioned, like, it being fake. So come

21:53

on guys just to delete it. And within

21:55

a week, the post had

21:57

been labeled a hoax.

22:00

As

22:00

a part of his reporting, Marco as

22:02

Wikipedia if they had any comment. They

22:05

sent me two different statements where

22:07

they said a number of things, including

22:09

that it takes hoaxes and

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misinformation very

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seriously. They also say they're confident

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about Wikipedia's ability to

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deal with them. If you try to look

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up Allen McMaster's now, I'm

22:21

sure you're gonna do after listening to this

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episode, you're just gonna get

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directed to a page about hoaxes and

22:27

false information on Wikipedia.

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Well, I still find funny after this is that

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I made many historians have to

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reconsider their sanity's, many

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sites have to change information, many

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books invalid. It's

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just crazy. All of this really

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begs the question, why does

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misinformation spread so easily

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from online to real life?

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Once Marco's article went out on the BBC,

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people started to correct the mistaken attribution,

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and it was a huge deal.

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I mean, the people of Scotland viewed Alan

24:44

Mc Masters as a national hero to

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the point where the country's official tourism

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website named him as a

24:50

notable inventor.

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But then

24:53

they had to take his name off the list. And

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I don't think they wanted to because it

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had been up there for more than five years.

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And that's for

25:01

Alex. I got banned for

25:03

life from Wikipedia, I think. It's always

25:05

a little bit painful when I noticed a typo

25:07

or something on Wikipedia. I tried to

25:10

in seriousness, I think

25:12

that, you know, it just makes me think twice.

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Alan, however, is

25:16

pretty glad that it was all over. So

25:18

it's a bit of relief when everything was

25:20

all uncovered

25:22

that don't need to be guilty about this

25:24

going on any long. It's pretty

25:26

easy to see why people wanted to believe

25:28

that there were some whiskey slugging railroad

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working in winter who created one of the most

25:34

important mundane devices of

25:36

our

25:36

time. I mean, who

25:38

doesn't love a great story? And

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that's

25:41

the thing about how information spreads

25:43

online for a lot of people. It

25:45

doesn't even really matter if it's true.

25:48

If anything, the story of Alan Mc

25:50

Masters should be a lesson. This

25:53

information online can and

25:55

does spread into real life.

25:58

We had school kids government, banks,

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all these folks caught up in this story. It

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acts as a a cautionary tale

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only about the way

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in which we consume information online,

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but also about the way

26:14

in which bad information spreads

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online and how easily it spreads

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online and how fast and how

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widespread it can get.

26:24

So while this story may

26:26

put a smile on your face as it

26:28

did with me, if I'm honest, I

26:31

think it has to be looked

26:33

at as an example of a wide a

26:35

problem that all of us are

26:37

still trying to address

26:39

today. All because

26:42

Most of us really don't take the time to do

26:44

due diligence. Fair enough

26:46

that you don't wanna spend your time looking

26:48

up a hundred year old patents like Marco

26:50

did. And in this case, it's

26:53

really not a big deal. But

26:55

it is when you arbitrarily just repeat

26:57

things, you read online. You

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know, there's a lot of small and easy things

27:02

you can do to keep yourself from

27:04

spreading misinformation. Maybe

27:06

you ask yourself, who's

27:09

the source? What are their credentials?

27:12

And

27:12

you know what? If you

27:14

can't fact check it, then maybe

27:17

you shouldn't be sharing it.

27:18

And I gotta

27:20

say if there is a positive

27:22

or two to take from this, it's

27:25

that, thanks to Marco,

27:28

we now know who really invented

27:30

the electric toaster.

27:32

So you might think, yes, maybe for nearly

27:34

ten years, there was the lie

27:37

about who invented the but for

27:39

because the next one hundred years, the truth

27:42

will be on that, and no one will vote for

27:44

it again.

27:46

And if I'm honest, it's kinda

27:48

funny to think that all of these historians

27:51

and act cadamia and in an entire

27:53

country got fooled

27:56

by these jokers writing a

27:58

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