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Michelle Williams, welcome to my

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podcast, Welcome to my Michelle Williams,

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a part of Michelle Williams, a

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guest is such a next guest

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is such a not just a

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boss a boss. Fother She's a

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real boss. But the

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most important part of her

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that's boss to me

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is that she's a boss

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in prayer. is She's a

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boss as an entrepreneur. in

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a boss as

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a as an entrepreneur. She's a boss

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as a pastor. what? a She

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just may inspire you to

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take the next step

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in your life right now

3:32

you to take the Williams. step in

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your life right now

3:37

on checking in with

3:39

Michelle Williams. Listen

3:42

everybody. I am just

3:44

really really really just

3:46

really this happy guest. I'm have

3:48

this awesome say all I'm trying

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not to like say

3:53

all the churchy words on

3:55

this auspicious occasion, but

3:57

listen, I'm happy to know

3:59

this one. I'm happy happy to

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know this amazing media mogul,

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mogul, mother, I probably didn't

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say it in the

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correct order because I'm not

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looking at a piece

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of paper. Not only wife,

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mother, media mogul, but

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founder of Woman of Woman did

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I say author? say author? Of

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books. You guys, I want

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y 'all to welcome. My friend,

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my girl, Sarah Jake's Robert. I'm on I'm

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on podcast. I am I am really

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digging podcast, I like I like

4:30

all of them, Michelle, but podcast,

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Michelle is doing a thing

4:35

for me. I like her. is

4:37

Word, come on and affirm. Word?

4:39

Come on, give it all, give

4:41

it all. all. Last time I

4:43

think I was on your

4:45

podcast or I'm sitting down with you

4:48

for your for series, we talked

4:50

about affirming one another and

4:52

you did not know. how to

4:54

take it. I was like, take

4:56

it. I are like, Sarah, you know, you know.

4:58

I I don't know. Here we

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go. and I'm pretty sure that happens

5:03

now that happens. You know, I'm

5:05

receiving it. I think that I

5:07

have to I think that I

5:10

have to allow myself to receive

5:12

those truths about me because. had

5:14

you know, when you've had self -doubt

5:16

or insecurities, are the are the thoughts

5:18

that are at the forefront of

5:20

your mind. And when someone speaks

5:22

something that like wages war with

5:24

that thought, you have to like

5:26

that it down to receive it

5:29

as down to And so what you

5:31

caught me in was the middle

5:33

of my wrestling process, but I'm

5:35

receiving it. I love it. I'm y

5:37

'all. We are it. minutes and 25

5:39

seconds into this podcast and she

5:41

already dropped about three three nuggets. Instagram

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worthy I'm gonna love

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on her for

5:49

a second. on a for

5:51

a second. She's a -W -S -E.

5:53

doing so doing so many

5:55

things, how are you balancing

5:57

it all? I don't

5:59

think I... I am. I feel know, I

6:01

feel like I have... from

6:03

the myself from the pressure

6:05

of feeling like that that everything

6:07

is running at the same

6:09

pace and same speed and

6:12

same efficiency all at the

6:14

same time. time. I I think

6:16

that my new goal is to

6:18

really make sure that I

6:20

am being attentive to what needs

6:22

my attention the most. most. and delegating

6:24

in the areas where it allows

6:26

me to someone someone else over

6:28

their rights to to a different

6:30

part of it. I just feel like

6:32

just feel like balance can be a little

6:34

bit of an illusion and sometimes balance

6:37

makes me feel Like I like the the idea the

6:39

doing the best that I can this than

6:41

this pressure if I need to make sure

6:43

everything is moving at the same pace.

6:45

For me that creates a little bit of

6:47

a sense of anxiety. of anxiety. from from

6:49

the place of with me being balanced

6:51

and anchored within myself that I can

6:53

then execute what needs to be done

6:55

outside of me. And that is what

6:57

brings me the most peace. So I

6:59

don't think I'm balancing everything at the

7:01

same time. I think I'm finding I balance

7:03

and then executing based off of what

7:05

comes to mind. based off of that place

7:08

of peace. from that place of peace. Wow. So

7:10

do you feel like that

7:12

eliminates the difficulties of you building

7:14

you? Well, it does it does I

7:16

a way because I feel like

7:18

everything that I build is

7:20

organic to who I am. am trying

7:23

think that when I am trying to

7:25

balance everything at the same time that I

7:27

find myself building for other people or

7:29

building at the pace of what other

7:31

people need. But I feel

7:33

like when I am balanced on

7:36

the inside of myself that I'm

7:38

able to produce what is organic

7:40

to who I am. So to who

7:42

pressure to perform, if if that makes

7:44

sense. Come on, somebody. So it

7:46

sounds like to me like to me

7:48

then you are able to even

7:51

build the atmosphere around you and

7:53

train the people around you around -uh, to

7:55

like uh-uh building your atmosphere of how

7:57

you wanna thrive. you Some days

7:59

I... I can cook and work out at

8:01

630 and go and film and record

8:04

and preach. Some days I can do

8:06

that. Some days all I can do

8:08

is take an act. You know what

8:10

I mean? Some days, this is all

8:12

I have for you today is rest.

8:15

And learning to be okay with that

8:17

for me is balance because I have

8:19

to, I think it's all about knowing

8:21

your triggers. It's easy for me to

8:23

fall into this idea of performing for

8:25

other people and not knowing who I

8:28

can. Listen, I think

8:30

you brought up that word, performance about

8:32

three times, and there is a such

8:34

thing as a person being a performance-oriented

8:36

person, where I will do this for

8:38

this type of response, even it's for

8:41

a response that you think you owe

8:43

yourself. Instead of saying, no, baby, sit

8:45

down, you don't have to perform for

8:47

anybody else's type of response, just make

8:49

sure that you're doing everything from on

8:52

organic organic and authentic place, and just

8:54

from a place where you feel like,

8:56

necessary for me to do. You also

8:58

talked about balance. You are showing that

9:00

you can be all of those things

9:03

that you are and still have a

9:05

career. I guess, as they say, a

9:07

redefining what a woman's role has to

9:09

be in this world. You know, you

9:11

just don't have to, well, I hope

9:14

I don't get in trouble, but you

9:16

just don't have to stay home. You

9:18

just don't have to be. putting the

9:20

turkey in the oven. You just don't

9:22

have to be making sure that when

9:25

he comes home, you're readily accessible for

9:27

whatever he needs. You're showing, no, no,

9:29

no, I can work, I can have

9:31

the career. You said you're, you said

9:33

working, preaching. the podcast, you have a

9:36

clothing boutique, you are a mother, you

9:38

are a wife. And I just remember

9:40

some years ago I was telling someone

9:42

that was working with me at the

9:44

time about all these things that I

9:47

wanted to do. And they were like,

9:49

no, that's too much. I think you

9:51

should just focus on one thing. While

9:53

I do agree, we have to focus

9:55

on one thing and every now and

9:58

then master that area as they say,

10:00

you don't want to be jack of

10:02

all trades and master of none of

10:04

them, I totally get that. But just

10:06

to know that you are encouraging people,

10:09

of course, we got to have structure

10:11

that you can do it all. What

10:13

advice can you give to women today

10:15

who want to take it to the

10:17

next level with their career or aspirations?

10:20

I think the next level is always

10:22

an inside job. like to really come

10:24

to a place where you understand like

10:26

why do I want to take it

10:28

to the next level because you could

10:31

say I want to build the vehicle

10:33

I know where the destination is but

10:35

like what is going to be your

10:37

fuel to the next level and armed

10:39

with that to really create space in

10:42

your world for you to get there

10:44

right so if we use this car

10:46

analogy like there are certain times when

10:48

you don't drive in LA there are

10:50

some places you go to the other

10:53

side of the city at a certain

10:55

time because you just know So you

10:57

have to really assess, okay, this is

10:59

where I want to go. What is

11:01

going to motivate me to withstand whatever

11:04

resistance is going to be a part

11:06

of that path? And then how am

11:08

I going to execute this practically? What

11:10

does that mean about my job? What

11:12

does that mean about what time I

11:15

wake up in the morning? I think

11:17

it starts from the inside with external

11:19

components that we begin to incorporate to

11:21

make sure that we're able to move

11:23

to that next level, but it's not

11:26

enough. to just want to go to

11:28

the next level if you don't know

11:30

why because when you do meet resistance

11:32

and you will meet resistance you have

11:34

to be able to provide whether or

11:37

not you have what it takes to

11:39

overcome it and so why am I

11:41

doing this why is this important to

11:43

me and understanding that I believe is

11:45

really I'm going to say three quarters

11:48

of the battle from there execution is

11:50

a Google you know search away but

11:52

that why you can't find on Google

11:54

that why is down on the inside.

11:56

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11:59

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16:11

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16:13

during this time? I am kind

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of known around my house for

16:17

suppressing my conscience because sometimes I

16:19

don't have time to feel things.

16:22

I have to get things done,

16:24

right? That's that performance thing, right?

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16:28

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16:30

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16:32

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I love myself from where I

16:54

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16:56

love this broken? How can I

16:58

understand this broken? And then how

17:00

can I allow myself to be

17:02

loved into growth? What did the

17:05

perspective look like? What does worship

17:07

look like? Do I need to

17:09

let someone into this moment? But

17:11

is it about stillness for me?

17:13

Like I was just sharing a

17:15

message about how important it is

17:18

for us to really take time

17:20

to be intentional about being slow.

17:22

Because we have such a microwave,

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rapid, crush, boss culture and it

17:26

is amazing. But the truth is

17:28

that if we don't take time

17:30

to cultivate being slow, then we

17:33

will end up being machines when

17:35

we were created to be being.

17:37

Well, you know that I've been

17:39

hating that saying, while you were

17:41

sleeping, I was grinding. Well, you're

17:43

crazy, because I'm going to take

17:46

a nap. I'm tired. And I'm

17:48

going to take a nap. I'm

17:50

going to arrest. You were saying

17:52

how you were allowing yourself to

17:54

just be at allowing yourself to

17:56

feel. Is it easy for you

17:58

to be vulnerable? I

18:01

think being transparent and being vulnerable

18:03

are two different things. Two different

18:05

things, yes. Because I feel like,

18:08

especially as women, I think sometimes

18:10

we are always on watch, and

18:12

I believe we built these walls

18:14

that we don't even know we're

18:16

building. You know, that's just a

18:18

way of coping, of protecting ourselves.

18:20

My mother never said, you gotta

18:23

be a strong woman. I just

18:25

saw her strength. I never saw

18:27

her crumble. I never to this

18:29

day. I saw my mom cry

18:31

for the first time in like

18:33

2009 or 10 at my grandmother's

18:35

funeral. I have never in my

18:37

41 years of life have seen

18:40

my mother cry. And I just

18:42

remembered that was a complaint in

18:44

a relationship of mine is that

18:46

I'm not vulnerable. Although I feel

18:48

like transparent, I'm very honest. But

18:50

I'm like vulnerable, so what do

18:52

you mean? You want me to

18:55

cry when the sun rises? You

18:57

want me to cry when the

18:59

birds are chirping? I don't know,

19:01

but I feel like as I

19:03

begin to do some healing of

19:05

my own heart, I found myself

19:07

being... vulnerable to the point where

19:09

a couple weeks ago I was

19:12

like, uh-uh, Lord, nope, nope, I

19:14

need you to heart in my

19:16

heart again. I don't want to

19:18

feel this. But is it easy

19:20

for people to be vulnerable? Like,

19:22

I don't think it's like easy.

19:24

Like, it's not my default setting,

19:27

but it is a necessary space

19:29

in which I know I must

19:31

live in, and it just requires

19:33

humility. That's when it gets real,

19:35

real. What have been some of

19:37

your coping strategies during this pandemic?

19:39

Have you, are you a home

19:42

body? Has the pandemic been working

19:44

for you? It's been working for

19:46

me because I like being home.

19:48

I love being home. Home is

19:50

my, and I think before the

19:52

pandemic I was traveling and moving

19:54

so much that it took me

19:56

some time to accept that I

19:59

didn't have to move anymore. And

20:01

it was really like. It was

20:03

emotional for me even on a

20:05

spiritual level because it gave me

20:07

time to finally accept my life.

20:09

And that's why I think that

20:11

idea of like embracing this love

20:14

is so important because your life

20:16

is changing and you're moving and

20:18

sometimes we miss out on what

20:20

has really transpired inside of us.

20:22

And so it has been working

20:24

for me. Yeah. I love being.

20:26

It's allowed me to really prioritize

20:29

my health. Like at first I

20:31

was eating all of the snacks

20:33

and then I was like, you're

20:35

a kid for not taking care

20:37

of you. They're always on the

20:39

move. So like, let's really determine

20:41

like who we're going to be

20:43

in this moment. And it's made

20:46

me a better mother, a better

20:48

wife. I'd like to say it's

20:50

made me a better and more

20:52

intentional friend too. That is awesome.

20:54

And that's what checking in has

20:56

been about is making sure you

20:58

are And of course, more importantly,

21:01

checking in with God, I know

21:03

you've had your share of counseling

21:05

single women, and I know just

21:07

a few days ago, you posted

21:09

the most beautiful, dope picture of

21:11

you and Turay, Pastor Turay, Roberts,

21:13

your husband. I know you have

21:15

many thoughts on women and singleness,

21:18

and I just think that that

21:20

question... could, it's so, it's so

21:22

broad. If you had one thing

21:24

to say today as it relates

21:26

to women in singleness, whether it's

21:28

waiting, whether it's not worshiping the

21:30

desire of marriage or investing in

21:33

yourself, just basically, what should we

21:35

be doing right now? I think

21:37

that one of the things that

21:39

we haven't done the best job

21:41

at doing in the church really

21:43

affirming a woman in her idea

21:45

for doing things the right way

21:48

if you leave it up to

21:50

religion. Yes, yes. I believe this

21:52

single woman should really take the

21:54

time to really love church. a

21:56

woman in her

21:58

identity outside of

22:00

marriage. of And

22:02

I think. I think has

22:05

become like this arrival, this

22:07

trophy, this award that you

22:09

get for doing things the

22:11

right way if you leave

22:13

it up to religion. if you

22:15

leave it up to religion. Yes, single I believe

22:17

this really take the time

22:19

to really love and

22:21

embrace who they are

22:23

are the validation of

22:25

a relationship or a

22:27

man. a man. that makes them

22:29

feel better. I, I, my most treasured my

22:32

most treasured moments with myself Now I

22:34

when I was single. my husband my life

22:36

with my husband love I have a

22:38

life that I love me I married

22:40

someone who was worthy of me

22:42

sharing my life with had I would

22:44

have never made that decision had I

22:46

not taken the time to really

22:49

love and understand my own self that

22:51

and value and that doesn't come from

22:53

being with someone that comes from

22:55

being with yourself yourself. come on, because I

22:57

feel like when you have a need

22:59

to be with someone, maybe that's where you

23:01

settle. where you so much of your identity

23:03

is then wrapped up into that person, you

23:05

know? you so so I don't I who I

23:07

am unless I am with you. And

23:09

I think that one of the reasons, I

23:11

know for a fact, one of the

23:13

reason my husband loves me is because like,

23:16

I know who I am outside of

23:18

our marriage. So I know who he's receiving.

23:20

I know what I can do. I

23:22

know what I can't do. I know when

23:24

I'm off I know what I need. do. I know

23:26

what I can do. successful I can it depends

23:28

on an awareness like about our what

23:30

I need. if you don't have that

23:32

self -awareness going into a marriage

23:34

you're going to abuse the person

23:36

you're with because you're going to

23:38

ask them to be medicine for

23:40

your soul 24 for your you don't

23:43

know what it takes to heal know

23:45

what it takes to heal you basically we have

23:47

to have a way where we

23:49

are have a ourselves soothing are not

23:51

asking them asking them to fill us up.

23:53

Although it's us up. I know it's

23:55

nice because affirmation fills you up,

23:57

protection fills you up, respect fills you

23:59

up. up. But at the same time, you're

24:01

not coming into the relationship so empty

24:03

like this cup I hold in my

24:06

hand and you're expecting them to fill

24:08

you up so much and you don't

24:10

have anything to fill them back up

24:12

with in return. And I will say

24:14

when you look at that, that that

24:16

is definitely not fair. Yeah, you spoke

24:18

about the church's response to singleness and

24:20

marriage. I want you to know that

24:22

I appreciate on your podcast when you

24:24

have Dr. Anita Phillips on there talking

24:27

about mental health. What do you think

24:29

overall the church's response to the topic

24:31

of mental health has been lately? Lately,

24:33

I think that we have come to

24:35

a place where we have accepted that

24:37

we are outliers when it comes to

24:39

helping people walk through mental health issues.

24:41

And I think that's a beautiful space

24:43

to be in. I can tell you

24:45

about Bible study, but at the end

24:48

of the day, I am not a

24:50

clinical professional who can help you understand

24:52

the way that your brain works, the

24:54

way that your mind responds to trauma.

24:56

And I think that we are allowing

24:58

ourselves to be okay with that which

25:00

is freeing so many people to use

25:02

prayer and therapy or something and not

25:04

feeling like I have to choose one

25:06

or the other or that makes me

25:09

less of a believer because I've seen

25:11

so many people now embracing mental health

25:13

perspective that just five years ago, we

25:15

would have said you, you, you could

25:17

pray. that way or you just need

25:19

to turn on the worship music and

25:21

that out of go away. When you

25:23

feel the Holy Spirit empowering you, it

25:25

may not mean that the depression break

25:27

you instantly in that moment, but they

25:30

could that the police spirit is empowering

25:32

you to call that therapist. So finally

25:34

be okay with going to get that

25:36

medication. And that's like the Holy Spirit

25:38

can work in a number of ways.

25:40

Yes. And I feel like that's important

25:42

for people to know. Even if you

25:44

don't get that immediate breakthrough in the

25:46

moment, if you feel like now I

25:49

feel empowered to call someone, now I

25:51

feel empowered to get help. That is

25:53

the Holy Spirit too. Like we're going

25:55

to take what he gives us and

25:57

apply it to the tools that are

25:59

available to us. Absolutely. I always say

26:01

prayer and therapy go hand in hand.

26:03

Every Monday around noon has been my

26:05

standing appointment. And when I get off

26:07

of my therapy, Zoom, I know I

26:10

can take more specific things to God

26:12

in prayer. Be like, now God, you

26:14

hurt that therapist. You hurt what she

26:16

said. And I really just encourage people,

26:18

as Sarah said, you can do both.

26:20

You can pray and have a therapist

26:22

because we have to also know that

26:24

we cannot. put everything on the minister

26:26

or the pastor. You know, every minister

26:28

and pastor, they're not trained in that

26:31

area of mental health, but I do

26:33

feel like some churches are now having

26:35

in-house therapists in their ministry, or they

26:37

have more contacts when they come in

26:39

and say, pastor, this is what I'm

26:41

doing, this is what I'm going through.

26:43

And instead of him just reading you

26:45

of scripture or praying for you, he

26:47

can do that. But he also can

26:49

go into his contactless and say, hey,

26:52

I want to refer you to this

26:54

trusted. clinical practitioner to help you in

26:56

whatever area you need. And that does

26:58

not diminish the God in you. I

27:00

don't want people to feel like, well,

27:02

if I go to therapy or if

27:04

I talk to somebody about it, that

27:06

I'm leaving God out the equation if

27:08

I don't talk to him. I think

27:10

that we are able to do. both.

27:13

Sarah, thank you so much for joining

27:15

us. If you can just encourage everybody

27:17

out here about keeping their faith and

27:19

how to empower us during this time,

27:21

we don't know how long this pandemic

27:23

is going to last. We don't know

27:25

if things are going to go back

27:27

to normal. Can you give us a...

27:29

just a moment of encouragement. What has

27:31

been encouraging me, encouraging me in this

27:34

season, whether it's the political division or

27:36

the pandemic or the racial unrest, is

27:38

that God has not been caught by

27:40

surprise by any of it, that he

27:42

may look at it and his heart

27:44

is breaking, but he's not looking at

27:46

it. the way that I am and

27:48

that he knows the end from the

27:50

beginning and if he chose for us

27:53

to be alive in this season at

27:55

this time in this generation it's because

27:57

he built that we can be a

27:59

part of bringing this change and the

28:01

transformation that is so desperately needed. And

28:03

so you're listening to this and maybe

28:05

you've been feeling stressed, maybe you've been

28:07

feeling lost and confused. I want you

28:09

to know that you were here by

28:11

design on time that God has a

28:14

strategy in a plan and I want

28:16

to empower you to move whatever stressors

28:18

to make space to go to therapy

28:20

to get the help that you need

28:22

so that you can be clear about

28:24

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28:26

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everywhere her a Day. My gosh,

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y'all, I'm going to You know,

32:13

a I say that

32:15

because you always drop

32:17

so much knowledge and

32:19

insight for us to

32:22

take away and actually

32:24

apply it. It's so

32:26

practical, but yet it

32:28

is powerful. powerful. Sarah, I I

32:30

thank you for joining me on my

32:32

podcast today. I really appreciate you for for

32:34

us your time today. today. I love you,

32:36

I'm so proud of you. I cannot

32:39

believe that we are doing something new

32:41

and amazing, but I I be surprised

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because new and amazing is just what

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you do, okay? is on, what on. Well,

32:47

thank you so much. We continue to

32:49

lift you up and support everything you

32:51

gotta do. Tell us where we can

32:53

find you and us where us anything next

32:56

for you that we need to be

32:58

aware of. for you that we need to be aware of. I'm

33:00

Sarah, We'll see you later Thank

33:02

you, Sarah. We'll see you later. Okay,

33:08

everybody. Y 'all aren't gonna

33:11

hear me crying. I'm gonna

33:13

try to get myself

33:15

together. When I say Sarah

33:17

is a friend and

33:19

a sister, Sarah and her

33:21

husband, they were there

33:23

for me in a really,

33:25

there for me in a really, dark moment.

33:27

moment. I really appreciate

33:29

them for that. I

33:32

really I her for her

33:34

judging, but praying. And

33:37

we need people like that

33:39

in our life. When we are

33:41

going through, none of us

33:43

are immune to going through. And

33:46

I just pray right now

33:48

that everybody listening to this episode,

33:50

I just want to let

33:52

you know, I pray that you

33:54

have a safe circle. I

33:56

pray that you have safe people

33:58

when that when you're going, through or

34:00

even when you want something

34:02

to celebrate that you have a

34:04

safe crowd of people who

34:06

will love on you love on we

34:08

have people that we can call

34:10

on who actually call when we're

34:12

going through something, right? something reason the

34:14

I'm crying I'm because, which I

34:16

said I wasn't gonna cry, is

34:18

because she can celebrate this moment

34:21

for me with my podcast. with my

34:23

She has a podcast a But

34:25

she's not saying, well, I

34:27

have a podcast so why would

34:29

I do your podcast? I do

34:31

It's not that kind of spirit

34:33

at all. And my book

34:36

is called Checking In, I just am

34:38

so grateful to have others

34:40

that I can check in with

34:42

because I teach people. Check

34:44

in with yourself but check in

34:46

with others with just know I

34:48

pray you feel like you're not

34:50

a burden to people. to There

34:53

are so many people who who

34:55

have. died by suicide. because

34:58

because they felt they were a

35:00

burden to somebody, simply because they

35:03

felt like they could not pick

35:05

up the phone and call somebody.

35:07

Or we do this this someone asks

35:09

us how we're doing. We lie

35:11

and say, lie fine. we're fine. But

35:13

because of the of that

35:16

Sarah left behind, Sarah go

35:18

even further and pray

35:20

that you and pray that are

35:22

your strongest. strongest When you can

35:24

admit your weakness, It it

35:26

takes strength to tell somebody

35:28

I'm not doing doing okay. I I

35:30

feel like I wanna give up. give up. You

35:32

are are at your strongest when you

35:35

can even tell somebody. tell Yo, I

35:37

even have a plan to take

35:39

my own life. I'm not just talking

35:41

about it. about gonna walk

35:43

this out, I actually have a

35:45

plan have a I just pray right

35:47

now that you have a safe

35:50

circle. We will also

35:52

be providing resources for you

35:54

you to call. are so There

35:56

are so many apps that are available

35:58

for you to get a a therapist

36:00

or someone that you can

36:02

talk to where you can

36:04

see them face to face.

36:06

Listen, y 'all, we invest in

36:08

our hair, our clothes. We

36:10

invest in the latest sneakers,

36:12

but we're buying sneakers that

36:14

cost $300. cost in some

36:16

places some is three therapy sessions.

36:18

And if you feel like

36:20

I'm preaching, if you I am.

36:23

I'm because I want us

36:25

to get to talking

36:27

it out with somebody.

36:29

somebody. You can do it.

36:31

Men, especially, I want you

36:33

to know at are at

36:35

your strongest can when you

36:37

can admit a weakness

36:39

or a struggle. say so if

36:41

I do say so

36:43

myself, you're a little more

36:45

attractive. when you can when you can do that.

36:48

there is is something

36:50

about us being able to

36:52

be vulnerable not needy,

36:54

but just vulnerable and say

36:57

say, not doing well well. I'm

36:59

in in need of help. I'm not I'm

37:01

not the strong woman that y 'all see

37:03

on Instagram. Cause how many of

37:05

us we post so many things on

37:07

Instagram that people don't feel like you need

37:09

help. they don't feel like you need help. you

37:11

So they're not gonna check on you. feel say,

37:13

check on your help. They people. I

37:15

just want to also let you

37:17

know, I've been there. on you. As

37:19

are like, check your friends are Beyonce

37:22

strong people. I've got other friends, but

37:24

those are the two people that

37:26

people bring up the most. most. And

37:28

they say, well, those are your friends. What do

37:30

you have to be sad about? about?

37:33

You know, my my depression

37:35

and anxiety, it started

37:37

way before coming into

37:39

this industry. started, I started,

37:41

I was around 6th or 7th or seventh

37:43

grade. That's when it started

37:45

for me. So you can equate someone's

37:47

success with how they're feeling on

37:49

the inside. I didn't have

37:51

an outlet. have an I didn't know

37:54

what to call it. I just knew

37:56

I was not feeling. not feeling... the same.

37:58

and I And I thought that.

38:00

therapy just for maybe maybe upper class white

38:02

people. like I And like I said,

38:04

I talk about it more

38:06

in my book checking in. You

38:08

guys have to get into

38:10

it. You have to read it.

38:12

You have to know know help

38:14

is one of the strongest,

38:16

swaggiest things you could ever do.

38:18

I can go on and

38:20

on and on. go I think

38:22

my on is takeaway are loved. loved.

38:24

We talked about strength. We talked

38:26

a little bit about entrepreneurship and

38:29

building yourself. I think I'm I think I'm to

38:31

tell you throughout all of this, this

38:33

conversation went in a whole another direction. I

38:35

I just want you to know know, loved

38:37

and you can make it, you're not

38:39

alone. alone. It's heavy lifting to do

38:41

the work, but you can do this.

38:43

You can do this. If we go

38:45

lift weights at the gym or do

38:47

push -ups or do whatever, if we lift

38:49

that coffee cup to our we if

38:51

we lift that or bun it is whatever it

38:53

is that kale that kale and spinach

38:55

or that whatever whatever you got in your

38:58

hand right now, I think it takes

39:00

that same amount of energy to pick

39:02

up the phone and get the help

39:04

you need or send a text to

39:06

somebody. Heck, if you want to

39:08

send me a DM in my

39:10

Instagram messages and just get it out,

39:12

get it out. Once again,

39:14

you are loved. messages

39:19

and just

39:21

get it

39:23

out. Get

39:25

it out.

39:27

Once again,

39:29

you are

39:31

loved. Checking

39:56

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39:59

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