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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another

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episode of Clickbait. Like usual,

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Badger Nation Breakdown baby Tatum

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is here. We've talked all about it. We

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have a very special Jessica

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host today. Gabbie's

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hair, you guys know Gabbie from her

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season on the bachelorette? Pearl?

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Yeah. That's Yes.

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There you go. Natasha's cringy.

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I'm basically So you're like no.

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I'm like, wait a minute. I'm like, baby

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Taylor is here.

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You. Oh, no. No. No. was doing that because he

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said baby Taylor is here. Like,

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we're in

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the world. He's in the world. He's born.

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I think he has baby tater talks.

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Yeah. And he has headphones. Hey,

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baby. Guga Gaga. Yeah.

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Baby Tatum is not physically here,

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obviously. But Kevin

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and Astridar. They are a successful

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couple from Bachelors in Paradise. They just

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got married. They have a little baby

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boy. Can't wait to have them on

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and that's what's happening in today's

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episode. So how's everybody

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doing today? I wanna

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call maybe Tatum. Baby

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Tatum, have a phone, busy text. I

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just wanted a little clue. Yeah. I

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know. I'd love to sniff them. I

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love baby smell.

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The back, like I will say this. Like

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like a lot of babies when they're first

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born, you're just kinda like, yeah. It's

1:25

it's messy. Like, whatever. Yeah.

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Just poop and eat. Yeah. I think

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that'd be, like, the best part. I'm like, wow. But

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baby Tatum was, like, a really

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cute. Not just saying this because Tia's our friend, but

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he was a really cute

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baby. Like, I was never cute photos. And

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already kinda has, like, a little, like, express

1:45

like, these little expressions. Right? Sometimes

1:47

babies are

1:48

just, like, on the sleep, on the sleep. But he's

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kinda, like, doing, like, these these these

1:53

Oh. Yeah. He's so cute.

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Yeah. There's such thing as baby therapy. I'm

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totally convinced. Like, you just hold

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one, and I feel like your hormones and, like, serotonin

2:03

go crazy.

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Mhmm. Mhmm. Wait, Gabby. You mentioned smelling

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baby. Joe, do guys do that?

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Like, I know every woman

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does. For sure. Like,

2:12

we all do. Have you seen a baby?

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Yeah. Like, when you see a baby, do you have the,

2:17

like, inclination to want to snip it?

2:20

No. You know, so they smell my

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food.

2:23

I'm dead. Well, baby's not food.

2:25

First things first, when you have kids, don't

2:28

eat your baby. I don't yeah. I don't

2:30

know. I don't think to smell a baby. Honestly,

2:32

when I had AAA newborn,

2:34

the only thing that's going through my mind

2:36

is just don't drop

2:37

them. And make sure you hold the head.

2:39

Okay. Yes.

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You hold the head up.

2:42

Right. You're well educated. Yeah. So that is

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that that is true. That is good. Okay.

2:46

Yeah. I just I'm like, it's my

2:48

my initial thing

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is, like, I wanna go for feet. I

2:51

want, like, feet in my face, like,

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of their -- Yeah. -- of their neck

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of their wrinkly neck. Oh my god.

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Yeah.

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So, Joe, I technically won the bet. So,

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Gabby, we we had a bet to see

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who was gonna guess when the

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baby was gonna be

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born. And the one closest

3:15

to the date is gonna win. So,

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Joe, you have to send to you a bunch

3:20

of papers

3:21

because I

3:22

won. Joe said December twenty fifth,

3:24

and her due date was, like, the thirtieth

3:26

or something.

3:27

Oh, and so she came really early.

3:30

Yeah.

3:30

Yeah. And then I said the fifteenth and

3:33

the baby was born on the sixth. Right?

3:35

Yeah. Yeah.

3:36

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So took

3:38

that one so long.

3:39

You didn't technically win. You're you're ten

3:41

days off.

3:42

No. So you're you're that you're that when can

3:44

I

3:44

you're you're three days? That's all. You're nineteen

3:47

you're nineteen days old.

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We I'm sorry. We didn't specify it. I

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Yeah. We did. It CoHost to the date.

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Oh, that's just so I lose there.

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Such a man. You see?

3:56

You see what's happening?

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Yeah. I'm I'm here to project

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you. Don't

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hang up. You. I'm miss I'm miss and you tia's

4:03

address. Okay? You know what? I would I would

4:05

come for both of you right now, but it's

4:07

month of month of December ten days

4:09

till

4:09

Christmas. And I just, like, been

4:11

drinking more, so I'm a little hungover. You

4:14

know, holidays are good.

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Wait. I've been drinking more.

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Well, I haven't I actually took the one month

4:21

completely off. I'm just

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saying, like, last night, we went out for a few drink

4:25

because we went to a comedy

4:26

show. Fun. Yeah.

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So so, Gabby, I just need you to know a few

4:30

weeks ago, Joe was on this kick of,

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like, he only was gonna drink water for

4:34

four

4:34

days. No food.

4:35

Oh, yeah. No friend.

4:37

Oh, and now he's drinking more. So

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He's getting crazy. Zero to a hundred.

4:41

Zero to a hundred. Only

4:44

alcohol.

4:45

Yeah. I'm a you

4:48

know, I love a very sporadic crazy

4:50

lifestyle. You never know what I'm gonna do

4:52

next. Hi,

4:53

Serena. I'm listening to this again.

4:56

Serena's just like

4:58

Yeah. Whoa. Man, I wish story.

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That's what I said. First night on

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the bachelorette, that's why I got

5:05

to home right

5:05

away. The

5:07

most serious guy. What can I say?

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Becca said, uh-uh, no mysteriousness here.

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No. Okay. Okay. Bad share

5:15

breakdown number two. We

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see back at Tilly and Haley

5:19

were at the White House, so it was cold and

5:21

underwood. And his man, they were there

5:24

for the signing of the spect

5:26

of Mira Jack, which

5:28

is a great thing. We're very happy for

5:30

them. They look super happy. I

5:33

do have to say the photo that back at

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Tilly posted. It's just

5:37

like incredible looking

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photo. I actually wanna know a camera. She she

5:41

did it out, but it's great. You see that

5:44

you see the reflection of, like, the rainbow

5:46

colors on the White House. Mhmm.

5:49

I've also noticed in Colton's

5:51

post he shaved his head.

5:53

Yes. Colton, you're probably not

5:55

listening to this, but if you are, I

5:57

think you look better with a little more hair on your

5:59

head, but you Hello. Good. You're still good.

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Don't come for Colton right now.

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Not at the time. No.

6:06

We're so we're so happy. He looks really

6:08

happy too. Yeah. Like, crappy. He looks

6:10

great. But

6:13

so just to get into the technicals, from

6:15

what we understand and we could be wrong

6:17

here. But from what we understand, it

6:21

basically recognizes same sex

6:23

marriage and interracial marriages

6:26

across the board in all states.

6:29

So if you were married

6:31

somewhere like California, and

6:34

then you go somewhere else in the states

6:36

and you anything

6:39

can happen, someone goes to jail,

6:41

someone gets sick, anything can happen.

6:43

And by

6:45

law, that state has to recognize you

6:47

and your partner is married. Whether or

6:49

not they have passed

6:52

marriage, marriage,

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or not in that state is what

6:57

my understanding of it. And it is a

6:59

beautiful day. It's a beautiful thing. And Joe Biden

7:01

said, love his love,

7:03

and Americans should have

7:05

the right to marry the

7:05

person. They love. And

7:07

he he he

7:08

-- I agree.

7:09

-- signed it. And I and I agree

7:11

to. I agree to.

7:12

Yeah. Oh, it's amazing.

7:15

Yeah. Love is love, guys. I that it

7:17

makes me so happy, and

7:19

I'm glad that, you know, vaccination is

7:21

definitely everywhere as we

7:22

know. And they are in the White House. Have either

7:25

of you ever been to the White House?

7:27

No. I well, just

7:29

in the outside, but it looks like Colton was

7:31

inside.

7:32

Mhmm. Yeah. That's

7:33

so cool. I believe Colton's partner

7:36

is in politics

7:38

or goes something in the with law

7:41

because I'm yeah. I'm pretty

7:43

sure. Because I'm pretty sure I've seen

7:45

Colton in the White House before posting

7:47

it. Nice.

7:48

He's nice. He's nice. He's nice. He's nice. In

7:50

the White House. I have I have

7:52

been there before. And when you

7:54

are there, you feel like,

7:57

oh, it was a show that we were shooting.

7:59

It was like a musical show, and this

8:01

is when Obama was in office. And

8:04

I saw Michelle, and I was

8:05

like, when I tell you guys, I don't get Starstruck

8:08

at, like, at all, like, at all.

8:10

Yeah. I've

8:10

met so many people and I don't get Starstruck.

8:13

I saw Michelle and it was just like, a halo

8:15

overhand. I was like but,

8:19

honestly, bucket list to be inside the White

8:21

House. And so beautiful that they got

8:23

to celebrate there.

8:24

Yeah. I could imagine.

8:26

Yeah. No. I really you

8:28

guys will you guys will go there. Period. We gotta

8:30

go there. And if

8:31

anyone listening to this, I'll I'll take an invitation.

8:35

Oh, also, by the way, like, look, I

8:37

don't even look, this is some White House

8:39

tea. So there was

8:41

a package. Like, they said this happened,

8:43

first of all, one of the I don't even know if this is,

8:45

like, classified information. It guess not because they

8:47

told me, But --

8:47

Yeah. -- get back.

8:49

You forgot. You signed an NDA.

8:52

Right. So

8:53

they somewhat so, like, there was like

8:55

a so we had this show. We were there all

8:57

day. And at one point,

8:59

we all had to go into this

9:03

this, like, secured area

9:05

place. Right? Like, I mean, sting was,

9:07

like, performing at this show. Like, sting is, like,

9:09

sitting, like, right next to Like, I was like,

9:11

like, when the when you're at the White House, everyone's on

9:13

the same playing field. Either you're the president or

9:15

you're just anyone else. Right? Oh,

9:17

wow. Mhmm. And so he

9:19

literally there was a package that was

9:21

thrown over, and so they said it happens all the time.

9:23

But when it happens, they don't know, you know, what the

9:25

package is. It could be Like a bomb.

9:27

Yeah. Yeah. It could be anything. And so they have to,

9:29

like, do all this stuff. We were literally in this

9:31

place for, like, an hour while they like. They were like, oh,

9:33

yeah. It was nothing. But they said it happens,

9:35

like, multiple times a day that, like,

9:37

people just throw things over and they have

9:39

to, of course, take it so seriously. And I

9:41

was, like, That is

9:43

wild.

9:43

That's

9:44

wild. Here. Okay. Fine. Yeah. That's my way

9:46

I always

9:46

forgot my way to the

9:49

gym this morning. I was walking past an

9:51

empire diner, and you Jackman was sitting

9:52

there. It's just pretty cool.

9:54

Yeah. Did you say did you say

9:56

without Wolverine? No. I didn't. I

9:59

didn't mean a spot. Yeah.

10:03

That was so

10:05

weird. You look different. Yeah. You're like a

10:07

super In. I

10:08

feel like if I ever saw I feel like with

10:10

you, Jackman, I would have been, like, what about me? I'm

10:12

actually I don't

10:13

know if it's w you. I've met

10:14

with you, Jackman. She was

10:17

wearing a t shirt though, sitting. Well,

10:19

they, you know, they were in they

10:22

were sitting outside, but you know how they

10:24

have, like, tense or whatever that are kinda warm, but he was still

10:26

wearing a t shirt and he was like, it's pretty

10:27

cold. Yeah.

10:28

That asked me the wolf. He

10:30

can do it ever he wants. He doesn't get

10:32

cold. Very interesting. That was

10:33

as close as I got to the White House.

10:36

Okay. I'm Fascination

10:39

breakdown number three. Let's

10:41

catch up with Gabby. Nice.

10:44

Gabby Gabby

10:45

Gabby. How was dancing with the stars?

10:48

Yeah. You came in

10:50

second

10:51

It's so loud, Joe. You're

10:54

the winner in our book. I'm a loser.

10:56

No. You're the winner in our book. Tiers.

10:59

You are. Yeah. You did

11:00

so

11:00

good. Like Oh, my God. So so good.

11:03

Think about

11:03

how confident you you are actually a really

11:05

good dancer and think about the fact

11:07

that You and I basically lasted the

11:09

same amount of time on the

11:10

show. How does that make you feel?

11:11

That hurts. Again,

11:14

long as you're in voice. Do you see

11:16

what

11:16

happens right now? Yeah. Do you

11:18

see what we deal with?

11:20

Yeah. Literally. I went out. No.

11:22

I'm just kidding. It was literally,

11:24

like, I mean, it was one of the

11:26

best experiences ever just

11:28

learning something new and it does

11:30

become like a family. So

11:32

I honestly like, I tease myself and

11:34

I hope everyone knows I'm joking when I'm like,

11:36

I'm a loser. I lost. Like, I think

11:38

it's just funny to make fun of myself.

11:41

Yeah. But -- Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't have

11:43

it any other way. Like,

11:45

I'm happy to lose a Charlie Dimelio.

11:47

I don't think anyone could have

11:49

beat her like she's so

11:51

talented and her following is

11:53

insane. And if it goes

11:55

great for Disney plus to have someone like

11:57

her and bring over all of her fans She

11:59

was amazing to work with.

12:01

They really deserved it. So I

12:03

think her and Mark created some

12:05

really great deal instances and just

12:07

good entertainment value. So how am I

12:09

gonna, like, argue with that or be

12:11

mad? I think what I got out of the

12:13

experience, like, I'm truly. I feel

12:15

like, you know, oh, winner. And

12:17

it's so filled up. So it was one

12:19

of the best things

12:20

ever. So So we

12:22

So that's the thing. It's, like, do you

12:24

just said you don't think anyone would have beat her. Do you

12:26

think there is anyone that could have

12:29

actually beat

12:29

her? Like, that they like,

12:31

you, Jacqueline. From from votes

12:33

wise, votes wise, I don't think so. I don't

12:35

think so. I don't think you, Jacqueline's fans

12:37

are are doing

12:38

that. Mhmm. No worries. It's

12:39

also her type of fans. Like,

12:42

also sheer volume, like, she has a

12:44

hundred and fifty million followers on

12:45

TikTok. I don't even know what that

12:48

translates, but that's, like, a lot of the world,

12:50

like, definitely not just our country. Maybe

12:52

you

12:52

know what? The Swifty. Yeah. Taylor Swift

12:54

was on there. Taylor Swifty I mean,

12:56

right? Well, it's already Kardashian. But

12:59

she had both. Like, Kim Kardashian's been on

13:01

it before, but, like, she wasn't that talented

13:03

side

13:03

girl. I think she said it first. But,

13:06

like, how

13:06

are we had

13:07

both? She had the following,

13:10

and she had the talent. Yeah. So it's

13:12

like it's just, you know and

13:14

luckily, I guess, there was whispering behind the

13:16

scenes, like, they knew she was getting all

13:18

the votes And Val,

13:20

like, didn't tell me. And we got they said it

13:22

was such a close call

13:24

and, like, they hadn't seen it this close in

13:26

years. So bachelor nation. Holy

13:28

shit. Thank you so much. Because to even

13:30

come close to her, that

13:32

is so incredible. And, like, that

13:34

feels good for me. But

13:36

--

13:36

Yeah. -- I don't think anyone could

13:39

have beat her. Gabby. You're

13:41

you're famous, Gabby. Yeah.

13:43

Can we Can we address can

13:45

we address the rumors about,

13:50

like, you hate Rachel now

13:52

and that you hate Eric, desire

13:54

Please talk about

13:54

that.

13:55

Wait. I thought you were kidding. Are there rumors that

13:57

I hate Rachel? Yes.

13:58

I mean, it's all over it's

14:00

all over Joe's face hunting. Look at it. Oh

14:02

my god.

14:03

Wait. Oh, you're teasing me? I think

14:05

Yeah. No. We're teasing you. How

14:07

is I'm

14:07

like, we were just at people's choice together.

14:10

I I love her. How is

14:13

how is single life now? And

14:15

are you cool with your ex? Or do

14:17

you hate him?

14:19

Straight to the point. No.

14:22

Yeah. I think I think, naturally, there's

14:24

like I think we ended pretty

14:26

amicably, and there's always

14:29

time where you don't, like, speak to your

14:31

ex after, but I don't

14:33

wish him ill will at all.

14:35

I genuinely think it's just, like unfortunately,

14:39

wasn't the right time for us. Like, I

14:41

think we're in two different places in our life,

14:43

which is hard to start out on

14:45

the show. I think you

14:47

don't realize the bubble you're in

14:49

until you try and make the

14:51

relationship work outside of the show.

14:53

And maybe, Joe, you can speak to this

14:55

a little bit. Like, there's so much more

14:57

learning after

14:59

you leave the And I think

15:01

we just are in two very different places

15:03

in our life, but I don't

15:07

Good. Good. Yeah. Jamie, just

15:09

Let's not I mean, try not to loom me into loom

15:12

me into your mess right now. Okay?

15:14

No. That's

15:17

fine. Yeah. No. I think that I think

15:19

that's I think that's very well said.

15:21

And what about

15:23

I know people really

15:25

wanna know this because it's been

15:27

a big rumor the you

15:29

and Vinny

15:30

stuff. Yeah. Anything real? Or

15:32

is that just all speculation? You

15:34

guys were friends? I'm dead.

15:37

I'm like, honestly, you you go straight to the

15:39

stores. People need to be asking him these

15:41

questions because he's the one who started all

15:43

of

15:43

it. Well, that's

15:46

some tea that I have. And because I

15:48

talked to Minnie.

15:48

I saw them the other day and I saw Oh my

15:51

god. Alright.

15:52

Let's hear it. Well, what

15:58

let's let's have you explain

16:00

the you and Vinny meeting at dancing

16:02

with the stars first. Okay. How about

16:04

you explain that? Did he talk about a

16:07

starbucks meeting? Yeah.

16:09

Oh, I'm dead. Literally, we were

16:11

friends. I was in a relationship. I

16:13

was in it to win it. He never

16:15

had a chance. So I was

16:17

like, a tonal vision. I really

16:19

didn't, like, flirt or anything. Like,

16:21

I'm always myself and, like,

16:23

Eric was in and out of the studio. So

16:25

it was, like, I didn't even he

16:27

just gives me shit now. He's, like, I

16:29

know you just found out who I was

16:31

two weeks ago. Like, now I'm, like,

16:33

oh, are you mad at

16:35

me. But

16:37

Coco, his, like, his partner was so

16:39

great. He got along so well. So I was,

16:41

like, it was just, like, a natural relationship.

16:43

Like, Val and I would show them our

16:45

dances and they would show theirs to

16:47

us. Those, like, fun kind of

16:49

coworkers and stuff. And

16:52

then, you know, I went

16:54

through the breakup, but it was, like,

16:56

we were nearing in on the finale.

16:58

I was show zoomed in. I

17:00

think he got eliminated the week that it

17:02

was announced. And, like,

17:04

I had seen him in that elevator

17:06

and passing. I literally saw him at Starbucks

17:09

day. I'm gonna die telling the story, but I

17:11

just got out of bed. I was so tired. No makeup

17:13

in my hair. It's a mess. No bra. Like, my

17:15

boobs are down my knees. And I'm, like, just

17:17

trying to get a coffee because

17:19

there's a Starbucks right across the street

17:21

from where we are staying. was

17:23

sitting there having a coffee. I'm, like, oh, I guess, like,

17:25

I'll talk to Vinny, you know, like, he's nice.

17:27

Like, we'll shoot the shit. And we were, like, laughing

17:30

over. You know, I was, like, I can't believe,

17:32

like, my nemesis right now as an

17:34

eighteen year old with, like, the best days

17:36

technique in the world. Would you know

17:38

it's all jokes? So we were kidding by,

17:40

like, had him brush my teeth, so I sat at a table,

17:42

like, diagonally from him. Because I didn't

17:44

want him to,

17:45

like, obviously snogs. Like, let me look at my

17:48

copies why

17:48

why didn't you brush brush your teeth first thing when

17:50

you woke up? You

17:51

know what I mean, I was just so

17:54

tired. Okay. She said and

17:56

she said

17:57

but coffee first. I literally

17:59

okay. Always because I don't wanna ruin the coffee. But

18:01

I would just, like, roll out of bed, get a

18:03

coffee, come back and get my day started.

18:06

Yeah. Yeah. But good point, Joe. I never

18:08

did it again in case I ran into Vinnie.

18:11

Yeah.

18:21

Okay. So that is my perspective on

18:23

things. And then he started commenting funny

18:25

stuff like Instagram. And I was,

18:27

like, oh, like but I just think all

18:29

men are full of shit. So I'm,

18:31

like, oh, this is, like, fun

18:33

for me. You know? Because

18:35

it's, like, just, like, flirty

18:36

q. Okay. So as I

18:39

so almond are not bullish yet?

18:42

Not all. We can't we can't we

18:44

can't say that, Gabby. We can't say that

18:46

because you don't find a great man who's not full

18:48

of shit. I mean, he has he

18:50

has went to the bathroom before he met you.

18:52

Okay? He has emptied it. Okay.

18:56

Okay. So I'm just so I was

18:58

at this party, and Benny was there,

19:00

and we get to talk in. And we had him on a

19:02

podcast, by the way. And it was a great episode. I still

19:04

love that episode. So we

19:06

get to talk in and we're talking about dance with the

19:08

stars. And he said that there was like a little

19:10

bit of like, there's kinda, like,

19:12

groups of people, and you guys were

19:14

in the same group, if that makes

19:16

sense. So we did say that. And

19:18

so you they got to you guys

19:20

to know each other. And he he asked me, he was like, heavy, Matt. Gabbie, I was like,

19:22

yeah. He was

19:22

like, so you know, she's beautiful. She's great.

19:24

She's awesome. I was like, uh-huh.

19:27

I

19:27

Okay. that with Binney, he would never tell that to

19:30

my face. Well, he told me, honey,

19:31

and I'm telling you now because I was spilling the tea.

19:33

Sorry, Binney. Alright. So

19:35

let's just get down to it.

19:37

So, no. Basically, this is what he said. This is what

19:39

he said. He said, she's amazing. She

19:41

was engaged. Of course, I'm

19:44

a respect a respectable person. Like, we were cool.

19:46

But, like, once

19:48

that ended, I was already gone.

19:50

He literally said that. He was

19:52

like, and she he was like, I live in New York. She lives in LA, but, like,

19:54

if we lived in the same place, maybe things would

19:56

be different. And I was like, I

19:59

said, you know, you're always in LA. You're always

20:01

in LA, honey. So I just have

20:03

to say, I stand. I stand.

20:06

I think before

20:07

before we before we bring our

20:10

guests, would you go on

20:12

a date with them if it

20:14

was

20:14

presented. Oh my god. Of course. I

20:17

feel like that's, like, understood. But

20:19

say, like, we live in different states.

20:21

Like, my schedule is so

20:22

crazy. So I think, like,

20:25

I don't know. Okay. The last thing

20:27

the last thing because bachelor nation is so

20:29

crazy. He said, He's been on TV for so

20:31

long. He's been, you know, in this world for so

20:33

long in reality television. He said, never in his life.

20:35

He said, we're basically married compared to

20:37

everyone. Everyone thinks we're

20:39

married. We'll ask for, like, two little comments if when things were married.

20:41

And so --

20:42

Yeah. -- he I think he loves that. He

20:44

loves it. He loves it. I has

20:47

been the best part is, like, honestly, I'm, like, I

20:49

hope, like, you kind of created

20:51

this monster yourself where now all your comments

20:53

are, like, where's Gabby? Where's Gabby?

20:56

Where's Gabby? And, like, so stoked for

20:58

us. But

20:59

yeah. I think it's all, like, led to good things.

21:01

But I

21:01

think he's great. I think he's great. And I think you guys should

21:04

go on a day. I'm putting the first day. I got

21:06

a

21:06

Yeah. I got you, sweetie. Yeah. You're real happy

21:08

to eat.

21:09

Alright. Well,

21:10

we'll see what happens. Okay.

21:12

Clickbait time, guys. This article

21:14

is called iVideovetted my

21:17

dating app matches, and it was a

21:19

wild ride. So

21:22

dating online, you

21:23

know, this is a thing that we do. If you

21:25

haven't embraced it yet to our listeners, you

21:27

just should. I think you have to because it's

21:29

just a way that people are meeting

21:32

nowadays. So put yourself in

21:34

all places to meet

21:36

people. And before

21:38

meeting someone. Now, this is something my sister

21:40

always does. She always video chats

21:42

a guy before she meets up with

21:44

them. Okay. So my so so

21:47

my sister she does this before she meets any guy. My sister

21:49

is forty.

21:51

She's like, I, of

21:53

course, am single, but I'm still

21:56

putting myself out there. But before I sit down at a

21:58

dinner, I'm a very busy woman. She has, like, five

22:00

jobs. She is a go go go getter,

22:02

homeowner, go girl, whatever.

22:04

But she's like, I'm not about to do this if you don't look like

22:06

your picture. If you don't this, you no

22:09

surprises. I can't have a a

22:11

formulate conversation with you. So she always does

22:13

this before she meets a guy. So

22:15

in this article, the person

22:18

goes through some different dates that

22:20

she's done and some red

22:22

flags that she figured

22:24

out. But before we get into that, Gabby,

22:26

what are your thoughts on dating apps one?

22:29

Two, what are your thoughts

22:31

on video chatting before you

22:33

meet

22:33

someone? Yeah. Totally. Which it's good

22:35

to hear, like, your sister's perspective too, because

22:37

I know, like, my opinion isn't gonna

22:39

be for everyone. Now, obviously, I see

22:41

a lot of the positives in

22:44

video chatting before for dating

22:46

apps hell yeah because it

22:48

doesn't inhibit you or

22:50

prohibit You from meeting someone

22:52

in the real world. It just adds

22:54

to you meeting somebody. So that's

22:56

always been like my outlook

22:58

on dating apps. As far as

23:00

video chatting, timing gives

23:02

me the same amount of

23:04

anxiety as a first date. If I'm

23:06

face timing, like, a love

23:08

interest, Yeah. So it's like I don't like

23:10

to take time until we're, like,

23:12

together in it because I don't I wanna

23:14

be able to pick up the phone, not care what

23:16

I look like, and just, like, I

23:18

feel like doing the video chatting

23:20

is kind of similar to dating,

23:22

like, going on a first date, but you don't

23:25

get the perks. You don't get a free drink or

23:27

dinner. And, like, you're still kind of

23:29

wasting your time. So

23:31

I am solution oriented person.

23:33

And I feel like my

23:35

thought process is voice memoing. I

23:37

love to voice memo because they

23:39

get a vibe. And I don't think,

23:42

like, I I think I'm a a little bit more of an

23:44

acquired taste. I think in

23:46

the article somebody, like, refused to

23:48

because they're, like, I don't read as well. I

23:50

think I'm better in person. Maybe I'm

23:52

making excuses. I don't care. But

23:55

I like, I do like to voice memo because

23:57

you don't have to be ready. You can do it on

23:59

the way home, like, from wherever you're doing,

24:01

it's a little more convenient, but they get your

24:03

whole vibe. They get what your voice sounds like.

24:05

They get, like, your sense humor.

24:07

But it's in phone calls, but you don't

24:09

have to respond right away. It's a little

24:11

more playful, a little more flirty,

24:13

and gets like the job done

24:15

of vetting the other

24:16

person. Yes. Okay.

24:20

What I'm hearing is I'm

24:23

scared. Yeah. Listen, this is this is what

24:25

I need, Gabby. What I'm hearing is

24:28

you don't necessarily wanna turn

24:31

someone off before they meet you in

24:33

person because like you said, you

24:35

are different. You are so much more vibrant.

24:37

You know, you feel in energy. You just feel it. You can't

24:39

even talk about it. You feel in energy when you

24:41

meet someone. What? My

24:43

question to you is, what

24:45

about flipping that narrative

24:47

and you being one being

24:49

like, how do I feel about him?

24:51

What do what does what does he bring to

24:53

the table? And I feel like sometimes, you

24:55

know, as women we always

24:58

feel like we have to present ourselves because,

25:00

you

25:00

know, we get a ring, we get proposed too,

25:02

we do this, we do that. Right? Which is --

25:04

Oh,

25:04

true. -- good. But sometimes

25:07

in dating, when we are also looking for our

25:09

partner and not just looking to be chosen,

25:12

we have to be like, well, honey, let look.

25:14

Give me a tour around the heart

25:16

bit, where you living, what you doing, what you eating, where you

25:18

you know what I

25:18

mean? Like,

25:19

do I even wanna be in

25:22

this thing with this person as well?

25:24

So, yes, we do have put on a whatever,

25:26

blah, blah, blah, blah, put on a face or everyone

25:28

brings our eight game in the beginning. One hundred

25:30

percent. I totally agree with

25:31

you. Whether it's a first aid, first

25:34

FaceTime, whatever, that

25:34

you're playing a game all the time.

25:37

Yeah.

25:37

See, let's let's call Serena and see if she

25:39

says the same. Yes.

25:40

She yeah. Yeah. Right. Man

25:42

in the mystery. It's true. And I

25:44

go

25:44

on some still go on some

25:47

very extravagant dates.

25:49

They

25:49

do. No. No. You you do bring the aid

25:51

game with Serena. You do. Well, every time I'm around

25:53

you guys, at least, you do. But

25:57

I I think that, you know,

25:59

when I look at couples that

26:01

I really love and that I really

26:04

can tell that it's so real, it's

26:06

like, she's choosing him just as

26:08

much as he's choosing her. In her best, in

26:10

her worst, in, like, vice versa.

26:12

Right? And -- Mhmm. -- I will say

26:14

that there was a point in my life

26:16

it was like, I have to almost conform to

26:19

this person. And

26:21

we don't have to be that. We you this

26:23

is me, baby. What? Totally. You

26:25

know what I

26:26

mean? Yeah. No. You make

26:29

really good points. I resent all

26:31

my remarks.

26:31

No. No. No. No. No. Don't resent. Don't

26:34

resent because this is

26:34

but this is a thing I've been there too, and so

26:37

many people, this is how we think. And

26:39

that's why I thought this article was

26:41

so because she talks about different

26:43

things that like, you know, there were certain

26:45

things in there that she talked

26:47

about that I've actually seen on

26:49

FaceTime's with guys. It's like you FaceTime a guy and

26:51

all they're doing is like messing with their

26:53

hair. They're like doing

26:55

that. Clearly looking at themselves and even looking at you. Yeah.

26:57

Red flag. That's me,

26:58

though. Like I think

27:01

it's different.

27:02

But I think it's different if it's a guy though. Right?

27:05

Yeah. It's like You're

27:07

doing so

27:07

bad. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's

27:10

kinda like But also like you said,

27:12

it could be a nervous thing. And maybe he's just

27:14

nervous because he feels the exact same

27:15

way. So -- Yeah. -- maybe he

27:17

wants to look good. Natasha, why are you judging

27:19

this guy so hard right now?

27:20

I'm telling

27:21

you what the woman said in that article.

27:23

Do. That's what

27:24

she said in the article. That's not what I'm

27:26

saying. This is what she said in the article. It

27:28

was a red flag. She said,

27:31

Oh, she said if they're hiding a

27:33

huge chunk of their face as in their

27:35

left eye, it's like, can I see more if you're

27:37

if you're just like kind of the phone? It's like,

27:39

yeah. Uh-huh. That's a little

27:41

weird. Also, their

27:44

bedroom looks like a Kansas tornado came

27:46

through it. I'm dead.

27:48

That is gathering data. But

27:50

ultimately, I feel like the

27:52

conclusion in her

27:52

article, I don't know if it saved as much

27:54

time in Wondery. As she thought

27:56

it would by video chatting because I

27:59

still think it takes time and

28:00

energy. And so

28:02

I would always just, like,

28:04

get get the beginning over with in person.

28:06

Yeah. Because I don't know if it actually

28:08

helps. Day dating's hard and you have to chalk

28:10

up your losses and go on a lot of shitty

28:13

dates. Yeah. I I

28:15

I'm an in person person, an

28:17

in person person as well. But when

28:19

I hear people say, I have to even

28:21

see if the converse station flows. I

28:23

get that because some people do

28:25

have anxiety. You know, I could talk to the wall.

28:27

So that like, I'm not worried about having a conversation.

28:29

Even if I don't even wanna date guy.

28:31

I'm like, we at least you're probably interesting about

28:34

something. Right? There's something I can find

28:36

inter interesting. So I don't

28:38

have that type of social anxiety, but some

28:40

people do. And it It is so awkward if you're sitting

28:42

on a date and you're

28:42

like, hi. Hi. What's your

28:45

name? What's your favorite color? It's

28:47

like, what It's just

28:47

an interview. Like, you

28:50

know, So so Joe,

28:52

I know you have your lovely Serena.

28:54

But if you were giving advice to

28:57

myself and to Gabby, what

28:59

would you say? Do date in person

29:01

or do I tier it or do

29:03

the FaceTime

29:04

first. I think I I think whatever

29:06

makes you feel the most comfortable and your most confident

29:09

is what you should do. To me

29:11

personally, I'm I feel

29:13

the same way, yeah, because I'm

29:15

more I wanna be in person. I feel

29:17

like I'm my best self when

29:19

I'm physically there opposed to

29:22

via FaceTime. Especially

29:25

at the beginning because I would think that would

29:27

just be

29:27

-- Yeah.

29:28

-- it's hard to, like, timing

29:30

and all that

29:32

So, yeah, that's what

29:32

I think, but

29:34

take it, leave

29:35

it, do what you want with it. Mhmm.

29:37

Thank you. Yeah. Our advice,

29:40

I think, all around the board in person is

29:42

better. But if you do have

29:44

social anxiety or you do

29:46

find yourself like know what I'm gonna

29:48

talk about with someone yet, then maybe

29:51

that's the best alternative to maybe hop on a

29:53

FaceTime and see what is up

29:55

about. Yeah. Do what do what works

29:57

for you just like this couple that

29:59

we're about to invite into the

30:01

podcast right now. Everyone, please

30:04

welcome Kevin and

30:06

Astrand to the podcast.

30:15

Kevin Anastrade. Kevin

30:17

Anastrade. How are you guys? It's been

30:19

a while. It's been a while,

30:21

Joe. Yeah. We're doing well, man. Busy. Busy. You're good.

30:23

This is actually great. I think this might

30:25

be the first time I've seen

30:28

you guys in a minute since maybe

30:30

since

30:30

Paradise. I think so.

30:33

Since you went back on Paradise for sure,

30:35

because we try to get together when you came to

30:37

Toronto once. But

30:38

Yeah. August, like, two weeks before

30:40

that, and I was just not in the place to leave

30:42

the

30:42

house yet. Yeah. Yeah.

30:44

That was that was fair. That was the only

30:46

excuse you should have had to ditch

30:48

it up. Yeah.

30:49

You guys

30:50

you guys were on Paradise together

30:53

on it was at season

30:55

four?

30:55

Okay. Yeah. So for our listeners

30:58

-- Yeah. --

31:00

Kevin and Ashford met on bachelor of

31:02

Paradise season

31:04

the one

31:04

I was also on. I believe it

31:06

was five. I

31:07

think you're fine. Okay.

31:09

Fine. Five. Okay. Okay.

31:13

And these two just got

31:15

married. So before we go down the rabbit

31:17

hole, let's talk about

31:19

your wedding day. How was

31:21

that look beautiful? It

31:24

was magical. The planning part of it

31:27

was very intense, but then

31:29

the day of it was all worth So,

31:31

Joe, as you guys start planning, just try to

31:33

remember that. It was honestly the

31:35

the second best day. I can't say it was the best

31:37

day because we have

31:37

August, the second best day. For sure.

31:39

Yeah. Yeah. We had a plan in the fall of twenty twenty, and

31:42

then obviously, we had to postpone it a

31:44

couple times. So I think when

31:46

we first planned it, we planned it

31:48

to be pretty big. And I think two years later with, like, a one

31:50

year old son, if we were to start from scratch, we

31:52

probably would have made it a lot smaller. But

31:56

all the vendors, you know, no refunds kind of

31:58

things. We just had to give her. And, yeah, I was like,

32:00

and I feel like most people were ready to travel and

32:02

have some funds. It was

32:03

good. Oh,

32:03

so that's how that worked. You had to you couldn't

32:06

so you didn't, like, cancel it

32:08

at you put obviously, it was planned

32:11

before

32:12

a pandemic or during the pandemic. So then you couldn't cancel

32:14

anything. You had to hold everything.

32:17

Yeah. For the most part, they gave a or they

32:19

gave us a little more leniency, because our guest

32:21

list is from Germany and Canada.

32:23

Okay. But for your recordings, they just

32:25

said as soon as we can have you, you better be here or

32:27

you lose your

32:27

deposits. So We like to know about that. They

32:30

don't give you your money back once you start

32:32

playing away, whatever you pay. That's

32:34

theirs, whether you have away or

32:36

not.

32:36

So I So did you what

32:39

was your original wedding

32:40

date? Right. Today, November

32:43

thirteen, twenty twenty. And then we scheduled

32:46

to November twentieth

32:48

twenty twenty one.

32:50

No. November nineteen. Which was his

32:52

due date, and then he was born November

32:55

twentieth. So we postponed it

32:56

again. I tried I tried to

32:58

give a message to have the baby on Friday night.

33:01

We'll just do the wedding Saturday.

33:03

No. Didn't work?

33:05

Absolutely not. That's so crazy.

33:08

I've heard so many stories about, like,

33:10

COVID weddings

33:11

and, yeah, just, like, the nonrefundable

33:14

is I mean, it's such

33:16

a business. It

33:17

worked out, though, because now August was part of

33:19

our day. So I feel like --

33:20

Right. -- something that wouldn't have happened if

33:23

it didn't all get delayed and

33:25

everything. And I think those could are always gonna be my favorite

33:27

words for three of us. So

33:28

Exactly. How did he say that? How

33:31

old did he know? He

33:32

just turned

33:32

one. One on November twentieth.

33:35

Just term wants. You look at him

33:37

and look at your lives and think

33:39

like Holy shit.

33:41

Yeah. We met I'm bachelor in paradise. Aisle.

33:46

Excuse me, do you think? I said

33:48

in my vowels at the wedding. I said, what are

33:50

the chances I've met at German, American

33:52

living in Florida when I

33:53

living, like, in Toronto living with just such an odd

33:56

place. In

33:56

Mexico. And we

33:57

met in Mexico. Uh-huh. You know,

33:59

it is it's a pretty cool story.

34:02

And to get from it and two dogs and a

34:04

house, and it's pretty insane. I

34:06

might be able to see it on TV or

34:08

watches it one day. Might might

34:11

be a little bit more defined to see, like, when mom and dad

34:12

met, when we kissed, when we broke

34:14

up on TV. Okay. This

34:16

is all my stuff. Oh,

34:19

my gosh. It's entertaining. That's so crazy. How'd

34:22

you guys make it work? Like, initially

34:24

living, like, across the

34:25

world? Yeah.

34:27

What was that? Like, We just we kind

34:29

of always had the next trip in the books. So I'm sure it's,

34:31

like, the same with you and Serena in the beginning

34:33

until one of

34:35

you make the move. You just have to have something else in

34:37

the calendar. Otherwise, it's really

34:40

hard otherwise to kind of

34:42

have

34:42

that normal relationship. And then I move pretty

34:45

fairly quickly. Like, we filmed in

34:48

June. The finale aired by,

34:50

what, September, and then I was moved in

34:52

by in the December --

34:53

Yeah. -- beginning

34:54

of the year. Oh, wow.

34:55

We just knew long distance for long. I

34:57

just said -- Secret.

34:59

-- go again. Because when you

35:01

get to know surprisingly,

35:02

really, like like long distance.

35:04

Because it was nice to kind

35:06

of, like, also have your own space and

35:10

kinda just see the best parts of each other, but you really get to know each other when

35:12

you're, like, together and aren't able to see your

35:14

compatibility. So it's like the

35:17

quicker you do

35:18

that. Did you

35:22

guys have that discussion in

35:24

Paradise, Ashford? Did you

35:26

kinda, like, because Kevin's a fireman in Toronto. So you can't unless

35:28

he quits his job, he can't really

35:30

leave. Yeah. Did you guys discuss,

35:33

like, you considering moving to

35:35

Toronto when you were in Paradise?

35:37

Yeah, I mean, Dan, I think that was one of

35:39

our first few conversations we ever had or

35:41

he just kind of said, I'm never

35:43

leaving Toronto because that's my job is and --

35:45

Yeah. -- job,

35:45

and it's a good pension, and it's my

35:48

career. And I said, well, I

35:50

just quit my job to come

35:52

here to

35:52

Paradise. I can move forever. I love

35:53

that. I love that so

35:56

much. I I

35:58

was going through your Instagrams, and there's a video that

36:00

you guys

36:01

posted. And you had

36:04

Kevin do a day in a life when you

36:06

were pregnant.

36:07

So how did that

36:10

how was that, Kevin? How

36:13

how did you feel

36:15

having a pumpkin strap to you. I had

36:17

a new appreciation for the control. She must

36:19

head over her body for nine months and the

36:21

lack thereof control.

36:24

I felt I think her next

36:26

pregnancy will be even more, like, empathetic now

36:28

that her back and hips are hurting from

36:30

dragging around a one year

36:32

old

36:32

everywhere. But that was fun. I feel like most expecting husband should do same

36:34

same experiment. Absolutely. Good

36:37

idea. Yeah. And it's

36:38

also, like, you guys made it funny.

36:41

Come on, Joe. Do a job.

36:44

Yeah. Yeah. Who

36:46

from I actually wanna talk about your honeymoon

36:48

because I think something something was fucked

36:50

up about your

36:51

honeymoon. Right? Travel plans or didn't? Something happened or was

36:53

that you guys or not? Just

36:55

a disaster. Okay. We will talk

36:57

about that. But who from

37:00

who from vaccination was at your wedding? Yeah.

37:01

We didn't end

37:02

up inviting that many people. We had

37:05

Rachel. We had Alexis. They did a

37:07

speech. And then we

37:09

had Chris stina and Whitney from my season

37:11

and Blake

37:12

Blake. Yeah. Blake. Nice. Oh,

37:16

nice.

37:17

Anyone from because I know Kevin, you are now the bartender

37:20

for bachelor of Paradise Canada. Anyone

37:22

from

37:23

that series? You

37:26

know what? I'm friends with the production

37:28

team. I grew a bit friends.

37:30

They they are right in the middle of post post

37:32

show production because of theirs

37:34

in March. Yeah.

37:36

They they're, like, strapped in and they're it's

37:38

a little different than the American franchise. They are, like,

37:40

they do all the work. So either, like, senior

37:43

producers, from filming are, like, in the

37:45

editing room, like, nonstop right now getting the

37:47

show ready. So it's a lot of stuff.

37:49

It's kinda nice. So they were, like, all in. It didn't.

37:51

They even said, like, they gave us this big apology.

37:53

Like, we can't make it, but we would not be there mentally,

37:55

if you mind, like, we're just in the show right

37:57

now. But I I

38:00

encourage you anybody who watches the US franchise this year of the

38:02

Canadian Paradise is pretty

38:03

wild. Like, it's it's it's a lot

38:05

of Americans.

38:05

It's a

38:06

lot of things that are doing. Have a good friend

38:10

on it. Tessa. Oh, really? Yeah.

38:12

Yeah. I know. I love

38:14

her. She ended up going

38:15

on. We're like, what? Yeah. I mean, Tessa's great.

38:17

I mean, her go along

38:20

well. Yes. She's the

38:20

best. Yeah. She's awesome. We we this is

38:23

the second season, and the first season we did

38:25

was during the pandemic, and it

38:27

was more like in the bubble vibe where they

38:29

couldn't really do the extravagant dates and all

38:31

that stuff. This seems pretty wild because they

38:34

just kinda opened the

38:36

floodgates and invited all all different people, not just bachelor people, like

38:38

just people from other walks of reality TV

38:40

and just fans. Oh,

38:42

cool. You're brought in a whole bunch of

38:44

different dynamics to one show. It's actually gonna

38:46

be really, really cool to watch. And I think it's gonna

38:48

be available in America too on East Trail Max

38:50

and all of

38:50

those. So

38:51

Oh, yeah. But have the shelves.

38:53

Wait. You said so there's bachelor, other reality

38:55

stars, and fans. Yeah. Yeah. That's all on

38:57

the beat. You've conducted whoever

39:00

the best people for the screen would be. There was no boundary. So

39:02

it could be from any other reality show

39:04

you can think of. I don't I won't name them. I don't know how

39:06

much it's supposed

39:08

to say. But -- Yeah. -- it could be from any reality show, it could be from

39:10

just a fan of the

39:10

show, almost like we would apply to the

39:13

bachelor of bachelorette. Yeah. Yes. In Canada, we

39:15

got rid of the flagship

39:17

shows. So this is our second season of paradise

39:20

with no bachelor of bachelors. So we're just

39:22

kind of turning into more of the

39:24

paradise.

39:25

Let's talk about Let's talk

39:27

about the honeymoon. Where you when? What --

39:30

Yes.

39:30

-- what

39:31

went wrong?

39:32

I'm dead. We just know,

39:35

it's like we push our wedding two finally get married. And

39:37

then, of course, hurricane comes

39:39

through the Bahamas. Florida.

39:42

Oh my god. We were watching it

39:44

a lot, and it wasn't supposed to directly

39:46

hit the Bahamas. So we thought, okay, we

39:49

can still try to

39:51

go And maybe we just kind of get

39:54

clear, you can get a part of it.

39:56

Clear.

39:56

Yeah. So we

39:58

were supposed to go to the Hammas

40:00

five days. It it was our first time leaving and we were

40:02

gonna

40:02

leave him with Omaha and Omaha for five days.

40:05

And then the hurricane just

40:07

rocked the Bahamas like, the day before

40:09

we were supposed to leave. Oh. And we kept checking our flights. And they were

40:12

saying, I don't know your flights on time, so we flew from

40:14

Tampa to

40:16

Miami got to Miami, and the hotel calls me, and we stayed at a place called Cove,

40:18

and it's like the most beautiful little boutique

40:20

hotel in the Bahamas. It's all villas,

40:22

like, it's it's actually stunning.

40:25

They called us to say, the bridge to our hotel is

40:27

not open. I don't know if you guys can come or not. And

40:29

we said, well, our flights still says on time, and

40:32

they said, we're definitely not taking any more

40:33

guests. You can't physically drive to

40:35

our hotel. Because the surge was so big, but

40:36

you couldn't drive. And if

40:38

you

40:39

look up the glass

40:41

glass

40:42

window bridge. It's

40:43

literally the two oceans touch each other

40:45

with one little bridge in between.

40:47

It's absolutely beautiful. So we knew

40:50

before Barrick and did that we weren't going

40:52

that

40:52

day. Oh god. We went

40:54

to the window and told the guy, and

40:56

he said, okay. I'll take care of it. And Like,

40:58

we thought he was the nicest human on Earth. He he flew us back Tampa first class.

41:00

He got us all new flights for later on

41:02

that week. And then when Ashford to

41:05

confirm the the day before, they had no records of us,

41:08

and we basically just forfeited our

41:10

flights. And it's, like, thousands of dollars a day, so we

41:12

had no records of us going out our

41:14

honeymoon. We were twenty hours

41:16

before our play. So this lovely lady

41:18

sat on the phone for six to eight hours and figured

41:20

it all out, and we finally got our money back as of

41:22

yesterday. So

41:23

asked yesterday?

41:24

No. It was a nightmare.

41:26

So I'd have to add the second time

41:28

we did go, the layover was an hour

41:30

in Miami. So we're like, oh, it's perfect

41:32

time just not to get duty and, go or whatever. The girl that was

41:34

so delayed, the girl in the flames, like, if you guys

41:37

run, you'll make it. So we got off our

41:39

flight. I've never seen her around

41:42

before.

41:42

You said, Sprint is

41:43

I mean, like, what's up? She's like, Sprint

41:46

and dummy. Let's go.

41:48

You're too

41:49

slow. Yeah. Like, two sets of

41:51

escalators like Miami's massive. We get to the gate and

41:53

the girl looks like she goes, oh, I left ten minutes

41:55

early. It's been down for, like, twenty minutes.

41:57

Oh, he was after his do the whole airport? So I

42:00

mean, batch this

42:02

is Raven and Adam also had, like, a

42:04

nightmare honeymoon. I hope it's not just batch

42:06

on paradise.

42:07

What is I don't know. A

42:09

couple. A couple is amazing. And then

42:12

on the way back five hours away

42:14

again, as my stepped out and sending a

42:16

heart attack back

42:16

home. So it was Don't be

42:19

angry. Don't do it. You guys

42:21

oh, my gosh. Oh, god.

42:24

Well, I'm glad you guys made

42:25

it. You know? The but the great thing

42:27

is, it's like the appreciation for

42:30

probably when you got

42:31

home And I think

42:31

it was probably like Right.

42:34

Because I was gonna ask how's

42:36

how's life how's life now? Everything

42:38

seems to be you had your

42:39

wedding, you had your

42:41

honeymoon. I have your boy. You guys were

42:43

living in chaos. I have a

42:45

new You guys are funny.

42:46

Oh my god. I looked like this. On Earth, I have so much more

42:48

respect for for a father too for

42:51

that sake. It is so much

42:54

F ing work to have a child. And we're going in. We're out with second

42:56

IVF transfer in January. So hopefully,

42:58

we have a second bias work.

43:01

Yeah.

43:01

Okay. But

43:03

We've two embryos.

43:04

We have two embryos left. We got two frac side.

43:06

We're hopefully

43:07

a sibling. Okay. But it is,

43:10

Joe. It is so much work you. It

43:12

is, like, I go to the fire I go to

43:14

the fireholder

43:14

relaxed. Do

43:15

you ever yeah. Like, do

43:17

you guys sleep? We're

43:19

lucky on that front. He's he's a good guy. Sleep at night? Yeah. He'll

43:20

he'll do the seven. He'll seven.

43:22

Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. That's

43:24

really, really, really great. In our job,

43:28

We put them down, we have a glass of wine, and we have dinner -- Go on. Go

43:30

on. Go on. Go on. Go

43:31

on. Go on. That's nice. That's what

43:33

you gotta do. Yeah. So

43:36

what's what's the plan? Are you are you planning on

43:38

getting trying to get pregnant right now? Is

43:40

are you starting?

43:41

Oh, I I'm literally picking up

43:43

my medication for it next

43:45

week, and then just my next cycle, I start the

43:47

meds, and then I go in on day

43:49

ten to get my lining

43:50

checked, and then they schedule me

43:53

after that. And there's

43:54

a whole

43:55

Frozen went baby in there and hope for the best. Hopefully, but

43:58

I don't wanna sound

43:59

I don't wanna sound too

44:01

stupid here. But so IVF, the

44:04

star IVV. IVF?

44:06

Yes. Yeah. So the star of that is when when

44:08

you freeze your eggs. Correct?

44:10

Yeah. So

44:11

when we did took

44:11

eggs and we immediately

44:14

inseminated them with his

44:16

sperm to make

44:18

the embryos, Okay. When

44:20

those embryos test it, we

44:22

have, like, six good ones out of those

44:24

six good ones. Three

44:26

were actually, like, great embryos

44:28

that they think would stick. So

44:30

the first one with the highest percentage of

44:32

everything was August. So that's the one they

44:34

implanted, you know, frozen

44:36

after that. So now they're

44:37

picking, like, the second strongest embryo. That's all, like,

44:40

between the two of them. So she's

44:41

gonna be the biggest part, which was the

44:43

retrieval and the fertilization, everything. So now

44:45

we just have from the

44:47

freezer, basically. And we

44:48

get to try in January if that, for

44:50

some reason, doesn't work. We try again in February. And

44:53

if that, for some reason, doesn't work a lot

44:55

of is start over.

44:56

Start over. Okay. Yeah.

44:57

Wow. So

44:58

what if

44:59

the go ahead. Oh, I was gonna

45:01

say, when did you freeze

45:03

your eggs? We so

45:06

we just couldn't get pregnant for

45:08

the first year of us trying,

45:11

and so we seek fertility

45:14

doctor, and we did two IUIs.

45:16

My second IUI, I had an

45:18

ectopic pregnancy. So then they said after

45:20

that, the chances of

45:22

having again, it's really high, which I'm talking so that it can get stuck

45:24

in your tubes and your tubes can wrap

45:25

up. Sure. But he doesn't know what

45:28

that means. What's an

45:30

IUI?

45:31

It's basically like the lesser

45:34

version of IVF. It's like they take his

45:36

sperm and they take a catheter and

45:38

they just trying to get it as close to, like, you know, soon

45:40

as possible. So just get pregnant

45:42

on your own. IVF takes it

45:44

a step further to where it has

45:47

and we already made

45:49

it. Right. Okay. Right. Yeah. Okay. So

45:51

you did it so you guys did it when

45:53

you were actually ready to start

45:55

Well, when you guys were trying, and then

45:57

you guys said, okay, let's do it this way. And

45:59

when you first said that We tried for

46:01

a year and being a firefighter,

46:04

it's like a big high school at work where you just you talk

46:06

to everyone and everyone just seems to gossip a

46:07

lot. And I I found that so many guys

46:10

couldn't have kids on their own and they were using all

46:12

this extra help and

46:13

when I say I had asked her, like, I was

46:15

getting sick and tired of seeing that face on her, you

46:17

know, when she'd come down sad once a month

46:19

where it didn't work. And we still get tested and see what

46:21

happens. And right away, our doctor said thirty percent

46:23

of infertility is unexplained. It's just two people

46:25

aren't compatible to make

46:28

babies. Yeah. I mean, it's it's not everything.

46:30

And she said, no. We just need help. And

46:32

she recommended we go try for another six

46:34

months or eight months, but she goes, if you have the

46:38

means, and you wanna just get ahead of it. Do it now.

46:40

We just ended up saying screw it. You

46:42

know, I'm I'm mid thirties.

46:44

She was

46:45

late twenties, and we said we really want to do it. So we

46:47

just decided to go for it. But

46:48

I have

46:49

a lot of empathy now for anyone really

46:51

trying because I

46:53

realized the the amount of

46:53

stuff she put herself through just to have him is

46:56

unbelievable what they do. Yeah. Yeah.

46:58

I'm a I'm a big

47:00

advocate for women freezing their

47:02

eggs as soon as possible or as soon as they

47:04

think or if they know that at some point in

47:06

life, they want to have babies

47:08

because just as you said,

47:10

Ashford, like, the the of the six

47:12

embryos, you guys had the three that were the

47:14

best grade. And there's all these different

47:16

things scientifically

47:18

that can really, you know, you have the the most

47:20

healthiest, best baby that

47:22

you could have scientifically. And,

47:26

like, that some people are like, that's so weird. That's a visit. That's a that. But

47:28

it's really not. It's it's great. And

47:30

and I'm so glad that you guys share

47:32

so much about this with people.

47:35

And that, you know, you guys give people hope because there are a lot of

47:37

people having a lot of trouble getting

47:40

pregnant and things like

47:40

that. But I'm sorry, Gabby. Go ahead. What were

47:42

you doing? Oh, no. I was gonna say something similar. It's nice

47:45

that you guys are so open to talking

47:47

about it because I can only

47:49

imagine, like, especially as

47:52

a woman Ashford, like, just kind of how discouraging it

47:54

is, like, our bodies are supposed to be able

47:56

to make babies and it's, like, it's something that

47:58

people don't

48:00

talk I was a nurse for a long time and I actually went to Midwifery

48:02

School for a year and a half. So it was, like, it

48:04

was, like, you know, we talked a lot about

48:06

getting pregnant, how hard

48:08

it was, and how common miscarriages are, which doesn't make it

48:10

any easier, but at least you know you're not

48:12

alone because I'm sure it feels

48:14

so isolating

48:16

That's why we wanna be open about it because I

48:18

just remember it felt like when we were

48:20

trying, I wasn't getting pregnant. It was everyone

48:23

was getting pregnant. I'm like, this

48:26

I didn't even realize I had a boyfriend and now she's having a baby. Like, I

48:28

just barely understand it, and I felt like I

48:30

was the only person getting pregnant.

48:34

Yes. And then once you start fertility treatment and you talking

48:36

to people, you actually realize, like,

48:38

so common it is.

48:40

The the miscarriage thing is

48:43

a huge thing. Like, so many spread --

48:45

Yeah. -- pictures while trying. So

48:47

it's just I never wanted anyone to

48:49

look at pictures of August or pictures of

48:51

my pregnancy and feel bad the way I felt

48:54

bad when I was

48:55

like, pictures and yourself

48:57

being,

48:57

like, almost jealous of somebody else being pregnant, and then you're like, oh, am I a

49:00

bad person? I should be happy for them because they

49:02

probably really wanted it. And who knows where

49:04

there's a local

49:04

car? But you just get in the dark

49:07

place for sure. So I just Well, we're gonna be even more

49:10

open with the second baby. Like, the because it

49:12

was our first time and we didn't know if it was gonna work, and

49:14

we were obviously a

49:16

little bit self conscious too. We kinda kept on the wraps

49:18

until we knew what we knew we were pregnant.

49:20

We did it internally and we let everyone know.

49:22

But this time, gonna really, like,

49:24

capture on Instagram her,

49:24

like, doing her procedures and everything so that people

49:27

can get an idea or maybe have this, like

49:29

Our

49:29

Instagram can have

49:30

and people can have hope. Yeah. What

49:32

have,

49:33

like, the medications, like, been, like,

49:35

do how do they affect you,

49:37

if you don't mind? So

49:39

I haven't started them again this

49:42

second time around. But first time, I never

49:44

realized how much they affected me in the moment

49:46

until I wasn't on them

49:48

anymore. My No. I'm so much more

49:50

reasonable. Nice. I I did

49:52

have one moment

49:54

last time. When I got so

49:56

angry at something that I, like,

49:58

stomped upstairs and I shut the door and I

50:00

screamed, I was like, okay, I

50:02

think it's affecting me a

50:04

little bit. Screwed in andrewed by myself. Nothing

50:06

happened. But I think the Internet

50:08

went out when it was the Oprah interview with Harry

50:10

and Meghan. And I

50:11

Oh my mind. -- like, stopping.

50:14

Yeah. But it does go to show,

50:16

like, how what hormones

50:18

are and just

50:20

biologically, like, how our bodies know what to do and the amount it takes

50:22

to grow a baby. Like, it's

50:24

actually wild if you think about what a woman's

50:26

body can

50:28

do. And Kevin, it's so nice to so empathy and

50:30

compassion being alongside of it. Because it's,

50:32

like, we can't control it, but this is what

50:34

it takes to make a baby.

50:37

And, like, you know

50:38

Yeah. You know, the physical like,

50:40

the actual physical side of it, I I would give her,

50:42

like, the needle in her butt every day.

50:45

And it got really where she was,

50:47

like, polka dotted black on the backside because

50:49

all of --

50:50

Yeah.

50:50

-- and every day, she'd be trying to

50:52

find a spot on her butt that wasn't literally

50:54

bruised in black, you know, and I would have to find a little tender spot to hit.

50:57

So there's, like, a lot that goes into doing

50:59

the procedure, but everything that you

51:01

do beforehand helps your chances of it actually

51:04

working long term. So just kinda

51:06

kept our eye on the prize. And like I said, I

51:08

I didn't know how much was gonna be involved

51:10

with

51:10

it. I realized, like, the fact that she wants to do it again blows my mind because I know

51:12

how hard it was. But I think when you have the

51:14

baby in

51:14

the end,

51:15

it's all worth it. Yeah. Yes. Did you

51:17

I don't

51:19

have been feel free if you don't wanna disclose this, but

51:22

did you do this in Canada or did you have

51:24

to go to the

51:25

states? Is it available to do

51:27

it in Canada? In Canada, it's actually we

51:29

didn't have to use it, but there is actually a list

51:32

you get on, and every woman gets

51:34

one free crack at this on the

51:36

government. Oh,

51:37

Oh, nice. Wow. That

51:38

is amazing. I have other friends who are

51:40

on it, and that would be like one crack start

51:43

to finish, which is probably anywhere

51:45

around thirty to thirty five

51:47

thousand

51:47

dollars. For Yeah.

51:48

That is that is so

51:50

amazing. That really is great.

51:52

Astrid actually got her permanent residency

51:56

after we did most of the procedure, and she was able to just send in

51:58

her

51:58

OHAP, which is our health card, and she

52:00

got all the money back. Oh, wow.

52:03

That's so good. So

52:05

much for the,

52:06

like Ultracen house.

52:07

House and stuff like that. But, yeah, the

52:09

IVF would just take for out of pocket

52:12

because because I was living in

52:14

Canada, but I wasn't a resident yet, but my

52:16

application was in. They kinda

52:18

began living there, but I couldn't have health

52:20

insurance or

52:20

anything. So I just had to travel

52:22

So I just we just have to pay for

52:24

it. But --

52:24

Yeah. -- we're fortunate that we were able to, for sure, and it

52:26

worked.

52:27

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's so great. Yeah.

52:29

When you do the poking.

52:31

Like, I don't know when I had to do it for my egg

52:34

freezing. They my doctor told

52:36

me to angle the needle.

52:38

And if you angle the

52:40

needle, it goes in so much easier and, like, better -- Mhmm. --

52:42

and life changer. Because I was I

52:44

was bruised as well, like, so

52:46

bruised until I started doing that and it

52:48

was, like, It was so

52:50

much

52:50

better. Engle the needle,

52:51

Kevin. Engle the fucking needle next time.

52:53

I got it. Yeah. Got

52:55

it. Okay. I didn't know

52:57

your your

52:58

eggs. The

53:00

only difference I wanna mention between the two

53:02

countries though since we're on that topic is

53:04

in Canada, it's against the law

53:06

for a doctor to know what sex or what

53:08

gender? Yeah. Whatever it is. Sex of the baby is.

53:11

When you when you use

53:14

the embryo, But in

53:16

the US, there'll be people from Canada that will

53:18

actually freeze their eggs, put it like a

53:20

transport freezer, drive to like Buffalo

53:22

or Detroit or whatever's closer

53:24

to us. And that in the US, you can pay for whatever one you

53:26

wanna use. So if we have two left and we

53:28

know the worst of the two is a is a girl, we

53:30

could pick. We want

53:32

the

53:32

girl. Yeah.

53:33

Crazy. How do you guys feel about that?

53:35

What what you're doing? We have the

53:37

right approach.

53:37

It's just to pick the next best one in line. Yeah.

53:39

Like, I would

53:42

that's what I would do. Yeah. It makes sense.

53:44

I would feel like I'm

53:46

playing God a

53:47

little bit too much to

53:50

be like, this is a lesser chance that I really wanna go I

53:52

will say for I will say I do

53:54

have a friend who

53:56

they had

53:59

I wanna say nine embryos

54:02

and it was like

54:05

seven of them were girls and only two were boys.

54:07

And they were older, the guy's

54:10

older, he's like in his forties. So they

54:12

didn't know how many kids they were

54:14

gonna have? They like, in a perfect world, they would have

54:16

three, but they were, like, since there's only two

54:18

boys, we're gonna try for the boy first.

54:20

So, like, in that case, like, when

54:22

they heard that there was so many

54:24

girls versus

54:24

boys, they were like, okay. We're gonna

54:26

do we're gonna pick, basically. So Fine.

54:28

Good. Thank

54:29

you. For sure. That makes

54:31

sense. Yeah. Yeah. We learned in mid

54:33

decrease school. I'm sorry. Oh, so I'm

54:35

just saying we waited to find out what

54:37

we're having all along. So

54:39

we weren't gonna

54:41

Even if we had the choice, we wouldn't have made it. I

54:43

really want

54:44

to I really want to avoid, like, it's

54:46

you try to say it through the whole project. No.

54:48

I don't care, like, all good, whatever it is. But, like, the whole

54:51

time, I'm just, like, praying for a boy. Yeah.

54:53

And then, like, when when the doctor

54:55

delivered, I was up by

54:57

Ashford's shoulders and she was like, where's the

54:59

dad? Where's the dad? I mean, look, and I like, best representatives ever seen in my voice.

55:01

Yeah. So I would like and I just I didn't

55:04

send it to

55:04

boy. I said, I have a son. Like,

55:08

I Oh my god. But also

55:10

so special to, like, be surprised like that.

55:12

My dad, my parents have the opposite

55:15

experience, I guess, in all my ultrasound, which this was,

55:17

like, thirty years ago. My legs were cracked, so

55:19

they thought I was a boy because I

55:21

was ten pounds. And then I came

55:23

out, and my dad was like, fuck. Like, I'm so

55:26

pissed. And I'm like the earliest girl there

55:28

ever

55:29

was.

55:30

Clearly your legs are crossed. Yeah. I

55:32

think, Pete. But what I was gonna

55:34

say before it's Natasha to your story, this

55:36

is just, like, a fun fact. I

55:40

think that I have learned the older the guy

55:42

is in, like, baby making, the more

55:44

likely you are to have girls, I

55:46

guess, to shoot out,

55:48

like, the but was it double

55:50

x

55:50

chromosome? Because it yeah. It's

55:52

up it's up to the guy. It

55:54

works. To make sure we keep reproducing.

55:56

Right? Like, maybe the male body knows to go for the boys

55:58

first so that

56:01

probably I I actually, I want I

56:04

want girls. I don't I don't want

56:06

a boy. I'm

56:10

thirty six. I I've been a boy. I I am

56:13

a boy store. I know I

56:15

know that we can be.

56:19

Yeah. And I wanted boy because I know what

56:22

girls are like. Like, I don't want a teenage

56:24

girl. I have zero interest in dealing with a

56:26

thirteen year old girl who's

56:28

about to start puberty and just be a psychopath for five

56:29

years. Yeah.

56:31

Yeah. We'll we'll you guys

56:34

gotta get

56:36

get back to you real life. But any Yeah. Before

56:38

we let you

56:39

go, any holiday plans where do you guys

56:41

get going for holidays? We're

56:44

still in the middle of renovating a little bit, so we're

56:48

renovating slash just

56:50

doing or Well, I

56:52

say this is kinda like his Christmas for

56:54

last Christmas. He was with potato, so

56:56

he didn't do

56:56

anything. So this year, that's gonna

56:59

be fun.

56:59

Yeah. They were

56:59

so cute. They always celebrate as a family because

57:02

next year, hopefully, Ashford's pregnant again.

57:04

So only we're just gonna We're gonna go

57:05

see Nancy tomorrow.

57:08

Right?

57:08

Oh,

57:08

you

57:08

gotta take the picture of him

57:09

crying so you can see me. Yeah. He's

57:12

so cute.

57:12

They look right up. So high.

57:15

Can you say

57:16

high? Oh.

57:18

August what time? Oh,

57:21

my gosh. He's so

57:24

cute. Oh,

57:26

he's so you. His little cuts ahead. Three days ago, he started walking.

57:28

He just, like, picked himself up and just started

57:30

knowing around. Oh, my

57:31

gosh. Great days ago. That's oh,

57:34

my gosh. So fun. Wait. Were

57:36

you both there for that? Were you both did

57:38

you both see

57:38

it? Yeah.

57:39

Absolutely. Yeah. So

57:42

amazing. That's so fun.

57:43

You know what I mean? You know what I mean? But we not. Right. Totally. You're

57:46

probably just

57:47

so excited in the moment.

57:49

That's so cool.

57:52

Alright.

57:53

Hey, Washington and they run. I'm so happy for

57:55

you. Congratulations. Thanks,

57:58

August.

57:59

on bachelor when you're twenty

58:02

six.

58:02

Thank you guys

58:03

so much. Thanks

58:06

guys. They

58:08

look so happy. So nice seeing them. They I was

58:10

there when they met. They were so

58:12

called on the beach, the

58:14

boring couple because they were together

58:17

from the beginning and, you

58:20

know, there was no there really wasn't any drama

58:24

with them. But mainly it

58:25

sounds like it just it just seems like if it's

58:26

it just, like, like, a hand in glove, you

58:28

know. Yeah. They seem so good

58:30

together.

58:30

It's, like, really refreshing to

58:34

see actually from bachelor nation. Yeah.

58:36

And I hope that

58:38

I love how open

58:41

they are about the

58:44

IVF and everything. Because then, honestly, like, you

58:46

know, I don't know so much about that. So it's really

58:48

interesting just to learn and

58:50

see someone go through

58:51

it,

58:51

you Yeah. It's it's so fascinating. There's

58:54

so much information. And you guys

58:56

know I talk about my egg journey, and I've

58:58

talked about it so many

58:59

times. It's on my

58:59

Instagram, blah

59:02

blah blah. And, you know, yeah, it happens. And

59:04

she's the older you

59:06

get, the harder it kinda

59:08

is on your body going through the

59:10

process. So the sooner if

59:12

you are ever thinking about doing it, the

59:14

sooner you do it, the better. And so then

59:16

those back those eggs are already in the bank. You know?

59:18

Like she said, the hardest part

59:20

was the the freezing and the retrieval of the egg.

59:22

So, yeah, big big advocate for

59:23

that. But correct correct me if I'm wrong.

59:26

She so

59:28

she did the same thing that you did. Right? You go, you freeze your

59:30

eggs, but then she started the process with

59:33

Right

59:33

away. Right

59:33

away. Okay.

59:34

Yeah. With with

59:35

fertilizing the eggs. Okay. So

59:37

eggs are just in the bank right now. They

59:40

have embryos in the bank -- Yeah. -- which,

59:42

you know, are completely different. I always say

59:44

in the

59:44

bank. I don't know if that's even the right thing. And the egg is

59:47

No. I

59:47

think it's initial. It helps.

59:49

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

59:50

Yeah. So there's a so also,

59:52

like, with my eggs that are frozen, once

59:54

I decide to have a baby and fertilize them. Who knows

59:57

how many of those frozen eggs

59:59

will actually become embryo?

1:00:01

That's why it's like a whole other processing thing

1:00:04

that goes with it. Mhmm. Well, thank you

1:00:06

guys, Joe and Natasha for having me. This

1:00:08

is honestly so

1:00:10

much fun. And so much fun to get to know Kevin and

1:00:12

Ashford can see why you guys do it. It's

1:00:14

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1:00:16

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