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And there is. No welcome mad.

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Today is. Thursday, February 20th. We're

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about a month in, buddy. A

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month. But today's a month. Yeah.

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Ooh. What is that? How many is

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that now? What do we got

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left? We got 47 left? 47

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left. Let's see if we can

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do them. It's been a bad

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cash Patel today. That's terrible news.

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That's that's a fucking Q-on-on conspiracy

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theory. Yep. That's genuinely leading. I

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mean, a Q-ononon conspiracy theorist

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that's like unabashedhed. Although he

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said that he didn't believe

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that stuff in the in

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the hearing, but who cares?

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He's got a history, like

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a written story, like a

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checkable history of that shit.

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Markowski and, who's a lady

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from Collins? Collins, yeah, said

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no, but it was still

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4951. Great. Awesome. Because fucking,

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um, Mitch McConnell voted for him.

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Sure he did. Yeah, Mitch

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McConnell. Like if anybody was holding out

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hope that like you would be able

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to look to old grandpa turtle for

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like some semblance of like oppositional integrity

2:08

from within, you're fucking delusional. Like he

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maybe doesn't like one thing here or

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there, but he's not gonna do anything.

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He's also fucking neutered at this point.

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I feel like what they're doing too

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is the few people that are really

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find these people distasteful. They're letting them

2:23

have a chance to not vote. even

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though it's all gonna pass. So even

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if, you know, all of us, we

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can throw our nose up at certain

2:32

people, but nobody's doing it all at

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the same one, right? Enough to knock

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it out. That's true. It's just, oh,

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Murkowski gets to voice her dissent on

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this one. And then McConnell gets to

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voice his dissent on this one. But

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never do they voice their dissent altogether

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enough to make sure somebody like Cash

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Patel doesn't become your FBI director. Yeah,

2:52

and then all of those people get

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to say, look, I didn't just rubber

2:56

stamp everything that happened. You know, what

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I did is I selectively rubber stamped

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in a strategic way that lets me

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lie to you, my constituents. And it

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says, I know we said when Trump

3:07

got elected, we were not going to

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talk about Trump all the time. And

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I just want to say, I'm sorry,

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that's not possible. And I mean, what

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I want to say, I want to

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make sure they emphasize that. I'm sorry

3:20

that that's not possible. It's not possible

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though. We've got like, the shit that's

3:25

going on is faster and crazier and

3:27

stranger than I imagined it would be

3:29

already. What I'm going to try to

3:31

do is talk about stuff they do.

3:33

rather than the triggering stuff he's doing

3:36

to try to trigger people. So we

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didn't put in the notes this week

3:40

the king comment. That's not in here.

3:42

We're not going to talk about that

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comment where he called himself a king

3:47

other than me just mentioning that we're

3:49

not going to talk about it, right?

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Because it's there very specifically to make

3:53

you angry. It's there very specifically to

3:55

trigger us to make us upset, to

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make us talk about it, and to

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make... Let's talk about him. That's not

4:02

necessary. Now the stuff he did do,

4:04

that's stuff you got to talk

4:06

about. That's stuff you got to

4:08

talk about. You have to talk

4:10

about that. So you can't skip

4:12

and not talk about that. That

4:14

is fucking evil. Evil? Yeah, evil.

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And the sad thing is, you

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can't even comprehend why it's evil

4:21

because you've never had to feel

4:23

anything. You

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must be so nice to be as

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numb to the world as you, protected

4:29

and sheltered by your own shallowness, so

4:32

much so that you don't even realize

4:34

what you're doing is downright wrong. You

4:36

done? Why are you such an asshole?

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I don't know. It's a gift. No,

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it's just sad. This story comes from

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CNBC. White House Post video of immigrants

4:45

in shackles calls it deportation footage ASMR.

4:48

And that is literally from the White

4:50

House. I'll put the, I'm gonna put

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it on the big screen so you

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can see it. Cecil showed me this

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before we started. And I'm not gonna

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play it. I'm not gonna play it

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because it's just sounds of chains and

5:04

like Jetsons. And also like just honestly

5:06

the video after Cecil played it for

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me. I had a moment where I

5:10

was just struck dumb. It's the title

5:13

of it is ASMR illegal alien deportation

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flight. This is from the White House's

5:17

official page. Or Twitter, Twitter, I guess

5:19

that's their Twitter, yeah. And it is

5:22

human beings being put in four point

5:24

shackle harness things, you know, like so

5:26

their their arms are shackled, their legs

5:29

are shackled, they're, you know, chained around

5:31

their waist. These are people like. This

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calls to mind the internment camps that

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we put Japanese people in in World

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War II. This calls to mind the

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rounding up of Jews in the ghettos.

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This calls to mind... a past which

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we were supposed to have gone to

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school and read books about not doing

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that anymore. We were all supposed to

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have done that. I don't understand how

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some segment of the population skipped that

5:56

part. When I went to school, and

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I'm sure it was the same for

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you, literally, you learned about these things

6:03

and you absorbed them as the horrible

6:05

mistakes of the past, the racisms of

6:07

the past, the mistakes, the mistakes. the

6:10

small-mindedness, the xenophobia, the cruelty, the inhumanity,

6:12

that's how I absorbed all of that.

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That was the message that was supposed

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to underlie that. What makes me crazy

6:19

is that like now we've got some

6:21

significant percentage of the population that's jerking

6:23

off to this evil, horrible bullshit again.

6:26

And it's more visible than it's ever

6:28

been before. One of the things that

6:30

I remember always like wondering was like,

6:32

God, you know, like... What about the

6:35

regular people, you know, of Germany, who

6:37

were living near these, you know, camps

6:39

or living near these ghettos or these

6:42

places where people were rounded up? And

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I think that I had what may

6:46

be a historically erroneous assumption that many

6:48

people, the regular people didn't know, right?

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And I think in 1930, 1940, you

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can be forgiven for not knowing things,

6:55

because the world was not as accessible.

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When you put it on your fucking

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Twitter or your God-dam Instagram. We have

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to look at this, we have to

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see this, we have to look this

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right in the eye and know that

7:09

like, I see what's happening. I know

7:11

what's going on. Like if my kids

7:13

ask me, did you know, I have

7:16

to say yes. Yeah, you have to

7:18

say yes. Yeah, absolutely. And you know,

7:20

I don't know whether or not the

7:23

people that were depicted in this video.

7:25

Were actually immigrants or if it was

7:27

just they just got so one of

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their guys to put it on a

7:32

coat and and lay the part and

7:34

shuffle up the the jet stairway Anyway,

7:36

but it doesn't matter right like doesn't

7:39

matter whether it's a real person who's

7:41

doing it or you're depicting it, it's

7:43

still you relishing the thought of doing

7:45

this. Whether it's real or not, now

7:48

here's the thing, we know it's real,

7:50

we know they've sent people away, so

7:52

we know it's real enough for them

7:55

to have done it, so whether or

7:57

not they're relishing that particular moment or

7:59

just the memory of it doesn't really

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matter. That's still the same, it's still

8:04

the same thing, and it still sends

8:06

the same message to the people in

8:08

this country who. Very much disagree with

8:10

this action and how we're how we're

8:13

treating people who come to this country

8:15

and it also sends a message to

8:17

all the people who are immigrants in

8:20

this country I mean, this is a

8:22

guy who wants to wipe away birthright

8:24

citizenship This is a person who has

8:26

said in a couple of different times

8:29

that it doesn't matter whether or not

8:31

you're an actually a naturalized citizen or

8:33

not right I mean is a person

8:36

who just really just wants a white

8:38

America and all the places in the

8:40

world that feed into here that that's

8:42

fine, any other colors, sorry, we're not

8:45

super interested in that. So we've seen

8:47

that, we've seen his comments about this,

8:49

it's not a secret, it's not like

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I'm making this up, this is like

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literally the platform of this of this

8:56

entire administration. But this is such a

8:58

disgusting thing to show. And it's really

9:01

made, it's made to not only do

9:03

what you suggest, which is let's make

9:05

sure that we put out something that

9:07

all of the. hateful bad human beings

9:10

who enjoy this sort of thing are

9:12

going to relish, but also put out

9:14

something that's going to upset a group

9:17

of people and scare a group of

9:19

people. Yeah. Yeah. And some of those,

9:21

there might be a Venn diagram where

9:23

those things overlap. Yeah. Yeah. I also

9:26

think that like there is a certain

9:28

amount of bad thinking probably where the

9:30

Trump administration thinks if they put videos

9:33

like this out, then it will discourage.

9:35

immigrants from trying to come over and

9:37

cross the border, right? So that's why

9:39

they, that's why they did the detention

9:42

with the separating kids with their parents.

9:44

I mean that's why fucking that guy

9:46

even said it that ghoul even said

9:49

right out loud make it as miserable

9:51

as possible for these people and you'll

9:53

discourage the other people but like to

9:55

the point of whether or not it's

9:58

real like I think that like this

10:00

that would people who want to focus

10:02

or fixate on whether or not something

10:04

is real I just this is a

10:07

larger point sure yeah yeah you miss

10:09

the point like we're at a place

10:11

where the message still matters even if

10:14

when it was filmed That wasn't a

10:16

thing that was happening to that specific

10:18

person honestly. And it matters because one,

10:20

the person who is saying it, in

10:23

this case, the White House, is an

10:25

empowered body and they are delivering this

10:27

to you as if it were true.

10:30

And that matters, right? It's like, if

10:32

I go to your house and I

10:34

look through your your movie collection and

10:36

I find a bunch of homemade snuff

10:39

films, then you will. I know I'm

10:41

here. Like that is intensely problematic in

10:43

telling about who you are as a

10:46

person. Sure. Even if they're fake. Yeah.

10:48

Right. Even if they're fake. I now

10:50

know something about you. That is not

10:52

good. Yeah. That does not reflect well

10:55

on your character. So it's not a

10:57

get out of jail. Like we do

10:59

this thing all the time now that

11:01

we're in a post truth world. Now

11:04

that we're in this like, you know,

11:06

photoshopped version of reality. where we're saying,

11:08

oh, well, it's not real, so it

11:11

can't carry a message. That's nonsense. Don't

11:13

let yourself do that. Don't get fixated

11:15

on whether or not something is real

11:17

if you want to say, does it

11:20

still carry a message? It does. It

11:22

does. It does. The same thing goes

11:24

for that Nazi salute, right? For that,

11:27

whether it's fake or not, it doesn't

11:29

matter whether he's trying to troll people,

11:31

or if he's actually doing a Nazi

11:33

salute, it's the same, it's real. Like

11:36

a real honest-to-goodness Nazi salute, doesn't matter.

11:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, uh,

11:40

this is heavy duty, Doc, this is

11:43

great. Does it run like on... on

11:45

lead a gasoline? Unfortunately, no, it requires

11:47

something with a little more kick. plutonium!

11:49

Uh, plutonium, wait a minute, are you

11:52

telling me that this sucker is nuclear?

11:54

So it's been fucking chaos at the

11:56

firing factory. I'm gonna call it two

11:58

of these, Tom. There's two in a

12:01

row that we're gonna do. Hey, pop

12:03

quiz. What's super duper fucking important? A,

12:05

nuclear weapons. B, food. See nuclear weapons!

12:08

Nuclear weapons! Don't do the things you

12:10

don't want nuclear weapons to do and

12:12

only do the things that you want

12:14

nuclear weapons to do and nuclear energy

12:17

in general. And then the USDA, who's

12:19

like, yeah, do you like Listeria? And

12:21

you're like, no, it kills me a

12:24

whole lot. It's terrible. I don't know.

12:26

Yeah. And they're like, well, we try

12:28

to make sure you don't have Listeria

12:30

and we're just like, some of you

12:33

are fired. But now we're now the

12:35

Trump administration. We shouldn't actually fire the

12:37

nuclear and food safety guys. Because we

12:40

don't want to be on fire and

12:42

eat Listeria hamburgers. I didn't say Simon

12:44

says. I'll fire a Department of Energy

12:46

official when I pull it out of

12:49

the hat and it's not a practice.

12:51

They're like walking away. Oh you got

12:53

me. Seriously though. What a mess. Like

12:55

if anybody thought. And there were people

12:58

who thought that Trump was going to

13:00

come in and run a government more

13:02

efficiently. This should tell you that they

13:05

just don't know what they're doing. They

13:07

don't know what they're doing. And this

13:09

could be a saving grace for... I

13:11

really could. It really could be a

13:14

saving grace that they just don't understand

13:16

the workings of government well enough. We're

13:18

going to cover so many different stories

13:21

today that show you that they really

13:23

don't understand how things work. They really

13:25

don't get it. They don't understand it.

13:27

They don't get it. And so, but

13:30

this is, this is one of those

13:32

things that like, trust me, there isn't

13:34

a single person in his, in his

13:37

administration that he didn't already know. Yeah,

13:39

right? Yeah. You know, this is the

13:41

important thing we have to remember. When

13:43

he picked somebody for the Department of

13:46

Energy, if he picked somebody, right? I

13:48

don't know if he did or not.

13:50

Right. But if he picked somebody for

13:53

the Department of Energy, he's gonna pick

13:55

like triple H from the W. Yeah.

13:57

But like seriously, like, he picks people,

13:59

he knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How good.

14:02

Could these people be at these very

14:04

specific jobs if he's only choosing from

14:06

the people he knows personally? There's no

14:08

way they could be. Like, if I

14:11

were to say to you, Tom, I

14:13

want you to pick somebody to head

14:15

the Department of Education, you wouldn't be

14:18

like, well, let me flip through my

14:20

roll of decks. You would be like,

14:22

well, let me see who's the top

14:24

minds in our country that are dealing

14:27

with education right now. Maybe you might

14:29

take... a dean from Harvard University or

14:31

something, or the Dean of Education's or

14:34

something, or whatever. I'm just making, I

14:36

don't even know, right? Maybe that guy

14:38

sucks. Maybe that guy's terrible. I don't

14:40

even know. But at least, at least,

14:43

at least it doesn't matter whether that

14:45

person sucks or not, I guarantee they're

14:47

more capable than Linda McMahon. I guarantee

14:50

it, right? This guy came in. and

14:52

he's choosing only people he knows. That

14:54

should tell you everything you need to

14:56

know about his administration. I was listening

14:59

to a story, I don't know, I

15:01

was driving, I was listening to a

15:03

story yesterday, the day before, I can't

15:05

keep track of time anymore, nothing matters.

15:08

Where, you know, they were interviewing a

15:10

whole bunch of people who'd like, resigned,

15:12

they got, they're like, oh, I'll take,

15:15

they got the fork in the road.

15:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and this one,

15:19

you know, you know, I work for

15:21

this one, you know, you know, I

15:24

work for this, you know, you know,

15:26

I work for this, you know, you

15:28

know, I work for this, you know,

15:31

you know, you know, you know, you

15:33

know, you know, I work for this,

15:35

you know, you know, you know, I

15:37

work for this, you know, you know,

15:40

I work for this, you know, I

15:42

work for this, I work for this,

15:44

you know, you You know, I'm a

15:47

very highly sought after skilled person. I

15:49

realize I could get six months of

15:51

paychecks. I've always wanted to work, but

15:53

I don't think I'm going to be

15:56

able to for the federal government anymore.

15:58

So it made a lot of sense

16:00

for my family. So I typed resign

16:02

and I told my supervisor and like

16:05

we were all sad and like so

16:07

were these other colleagues. And then like

16:09

a few days later, they got an

16:12

email like, oh, you actually can't resign.

16:14

And I know. that like here's here's

16:16

the thing that i worry about Cecil

16:18

it's like if you give a contractor

16:21

a hammer and you say demolish this

16:23

house he'll do a really good job

16:25

because he knows how to demolish a

16:28

house with a hammer if you give

16:30

a teenager a hammer and you say

16:32

demolish this house maybe he can't demolish

16:34

it as well as the contractor but

16:37

he's still fucked that house up real

16:39

bad sure i worry that like there's

16:41

such a level of incompetence that these

16:44

agencies will be way too stretched, they'll

16:46

collapse on themselves, they'll lose employees. They're

16:48

hoping for. Yeah. I mean, that's what

16:50

they're hoping for. Like at some point,

16:53

like at what point is like the

16:55

FAA not going to function? Or what

16:57

point is like, are the people at

16:59

the TSA no longer going to be

17:02

able to function? Like are we going

17:04

to have planes crashing? Yeah, man. More.

17:06

I mean, like, you know, government is

17:09

a service. And it's not something that

17:11

you should be cutting to try to

17:13

make a profit or to try to

17:15

lean it down in a way to

17:18

make sure. Like the money that they're

17:20

saving, and you saw the dumb-ass thing

17:22

this week where he said he wants

17:25

to give people a $5,000 dividend. Like...

17:27

That's trillions of dollars. Like how do

17:29

you get that? You'll never get that

17:31

money. Like there's no way. That's a

17:34

lie. He's saying that to get you

17:36

to like him so that you're like,

17:38

oh man, everybody will get five grand

17:41

and then he won't give it to

17:43

you and he'll give it to all

17:45

his friends and be like, we tried,

17:47

sorry. Yeah, and like one, you know,

17:50

as soon as I saw that I

17:52

immediately pulled. out my calculator, realized it

17:54

doesn't go high enough, went on the

17:56

internet and used an internet calculator, and

17:59

then I just took the population of

18:01

the United States, and I took how

18:03

many people those were adults, and I

18:06

did a couple of quick cut-downs, and

18:08

it's, you're right, it's over a trillion

18:10

dollars. And like, delivering that money back

18:12

to the people of the United States

18:15

makes no sense, first of all, it

18:17

makes no sense at all. Those same

18:19

people were bitching about the traumatic effect

18:22

of stimulus packages. This would just be

18:24

a giant stimulus package. So presumably, even

18:26

if you're Republican, you wouldn't want to

18:28

do this. Third, it's never ever going

18:31

to happen, right? There, any cuts they

18:33

make, they're just going to deliver back

18:35

to themselves in the form of tax

18:38

cuts to their fucking cronies. That's what

18:40

the plan was from the very beginning.

18:42

But like, the whole idea here is

18:44

they're just going to tell you a

18:47

thing that makes you happy. And at

18:49

the same time, they will cost you

18:51

way more than $5,000 dollars. will increase

18:53

more than $5,000 if there's no god

18:56

damn government services. Yeah. That's what people

18:58

don't understand. The department of, like, I

19:00

know because it's a big deal right

19:03

now, everyone's still talking about the Department

19:05

of Education. It doesn't touch everybody's life,

19:07

but it touches most people's lives at

19:09

some point in their life. The Department

19:12

of Education is student loans. Right? So

19:14

like the Department of Education is grants

19:16

for school. The Department of Education is

19:19

special education. The Department of Education does

19:21

a lot of stuff and that stuff

19:23

is still going to need to get

19:25

done. The constituencies in your neighborhood are

19:28

not going to say, well I guess

19:30

we just won't have special education anymore.

19:32

What that's going to do is raise

19:35

your god damn property taxes, dumb ass.

19:37

Your taxes are going to go up.

19:39

Your taxes are going to go through

19:41

the roof. Or your schools are going

19:44

to hit the toilet. Those are the

19:46

only two options. And at the end

19:48

of the year, when you look at

19:50

your paycheck, it hasn't changed. No, it's

19:53

not changing, man. So you're basically just

19:55

trading that money in for someone else

19:57

to get a... tax cut and for

20:00

you to pay more in property taxes.

20:02

So your overall tax burden goes up,

20:04

your overall services go down. Yes. It's

20:06

a bad trade both ways. What I

20:09

don't get is these people who work

20:11

for the government, there seems to be

20:13

quite a few of them who are

20:16

on the far right that voted for

20:18

Trump. Yeah, and I'm like, and I'm

20:20

like, why would you do that? He

20:22

had said he's gonna go in and

20:25

start cutting things. I know we're seeing

20:27

so many people. I'm like, what is

20:29

that? Even I know, man, how many

20:32

people he cut from the park service?

20:34

Like he just, he just laid off

20:36

like thousands of people. And you're like,

20:38

of course he did, he fucked with

20:41

that same thing the first time. I,

20:43

this is like. I don't want to

20:45

do the leopards and the Fafo thing.

20:47

I really don't. But like also, you

20:50

did have to know. You just did.

20:52

You did have to know because you

20:54

said it out loud. And I don't

20:57

understand the surprise. The surprise is the

20:59

part that I'm not even trying to

21:01

rub in anyone's face, but I'm trying

21:03

to be like, how do I get

21:06

to surprise from here? Yeah. Because who's

21:08

surprised? I kind of wish I was.

21:10

I'm, I'm be honest. I really wish

21:13

I could be one of one of

21:15

those people. that you could go through

21:17

the world so tragically unaware of things

21:19

that you could just go through the

21:22

world and be like, yeah, I'm just

21:24

so unaware of how the world works

21:26

that when I do a horrific thing

21:29

for my own future, I didn't even

21:31

realize I did it. Yeah, that's kind

21:33

of awesome actually. Ignorances bliss makes sense,

21:35

right? How do you walk around? Does

21:38

she like, well no, I mean like

21:40

that, those two wires that are in

21:42

that pond over there. Maybe it's heating

21:45

it up, I don't know. Like could

21:47

you imagine? How do you not just

21:49

walk into a glass wall all day?

21:51

Seriously, man. Like how, like, it's. At

21:54

some point, aren't you just like constantly

21:56

beating your head into a window like

21:58

a bird trying to escape a room?

22:00

I tell you man, the thing that's

22:03

the thing that's really shocking is the

22:05

military. You see the military is all

22:07

for Trump and you're like, dude, he's

22:10

gonna, he's gonna cut that budget, he's

22:12

gonna do all kinds of crazy shit.

22:14

He is going to fist the VA

22:16

so hard. You're going to be shitting

22:19

to love for the rest of your

22:21

life. The VA is already getting taken.

22:23

And everything's going to lose something. And

22:26

we're losing these things. I think there

22:28

needs to be a person who comes

22:30

out. So there's got to be somebody.

22:32

And I hope it's soon. There is

22:35

a story. I know how I would

22:37

finish this sentence, but I'm not allowed

22:39

to on air. Our next presidential candidate.

22:42

Yeah. I hope emerges within the next

22:44

few months in the next few months.

22:46

And everybody recognizes it. Everybody sees it

22:48

for what it is. Everybody looks and

22:51

says, nope, that's who the person is.

22:53

That's the next presidential candidate. And in

22:55

my opinion, you gotta do what Trump

22:57

did, which is go start rallies right

23:00

now. You should start doing rallies right

23:02

now. You should start raising money for

23:04

your presidential campaign. And you should start

23:07

doing big rallies everywhere right now. And

23:09

I'll tell you what, how easy would

23:11

it be to get these maligned, thrown

23:13

away workers. in government, these people who

23:16

didn't think the immigration was going to

23:18

come for them, the people who own

23:20

businesses that are now suffering because of

23:23

the choices that he's making with Canada

23:25

and Mexico, all those people, he's hurting

23:27

a bunch of people. We said, this

23:29

is the third show in a row,

23:32

I'm going to mention it. All the

23:34

hurt people need to get together and

23:36

get rid of this. terrible governance that

23:39

we've somehow thought was the right way

23:41

to do it. We're going to find

23:43

out over the next four years how

23:45

bad it is. We're already finding out

23:48

how bad it is and we're a

23:50

month in. It's going to get so

23:52

much worse than this. We need to

23:54

collect all those people. together and there

23:57

needs to be somebody right away to

23:59

do that work. Somebody's got to do

24:01

it right away. And I'm willing to

24:04

support somebody who comes along, who has

24:06

the sort of welfare and the good

24:08

of the people in their sites. So

24:10

somebody's coming in and saying we're going

24:13

to change the way minimum wage works.

24:15

We're going to change the way health

24:17

care works. We're going to do universal

24:20

pre-K. We're going to do we're going

24:22

to do all the things that help

24:24

the people on the lowest level of

24:26

this society. Get up. we're gonna rock

24:29

we're gonna lift all boats and it's

24:31

gonna start low it's gonna start as

24:33

low as we can go helps the

24:36

homeless helps the you know whatever it

24:38

is I want to see somebody who

24:40

really is a person for the people

24:42

come in I want to see the

24:45

same exact thing and then I don't

24:47

think they should campaign on it because

24:49

it won't take because America's too stupid

24:51

but like they also need to roll

24:54

back executive power yes forever yes because

24:56

what I'm really really really afraid of

24:58

is that as this goes on, as

25:01

he continues to test the fences all

25:03

the time, right? What we're really doing

25:05

is we're rewriting the playbook, we're rewriting

25:07

the rules, we're expanding the power of

25:10

the presidency in ways that don't ever

25:12

get scaled back unless we consciously scale

25:14

them back through legislation. Yeah, you gotta

25:17

get some again there who's willing to

25:19

sign those things too. They gotta be

25:21

willing to get rid of that stuff.

25:23

Yep. I think Pritzker would do it.

25:26

a viable candidate. I think you got

25:28

to get somebody in there who's willing

25:30

to do that work and get them

25:33

get that stuff down and then also

25:35

start working on legislation or changing some

25:37

way to do citizens united limit campaign

25:39

funding whatever they can do to change

25:42

the face of our politics in this

25:44

country skin Flint petty tyrant and a

25:46

hypocrite to boot. New York Times thousands

25:48

gather on President's day to call Trump

25:51

a tyrant. Protest was opposing broad swaths

25:53

of President Trump's agenda took the, took

25:55

the streets across the country. including outside

25:58

the US Capitol. I have never heard

26:00

of a protest on President's Day before.

26:02

Yeah. Did you feel, well, you don't,

26:04

so you work for the podcast, so

26:07

I don't even know if like, President's

26:09

Day was a thing for you, but

26:11

not really, no. It's a holiday for

26:14

us. In my industry, it's a holiday.

26:16

It's a holiday. It's a holiday. It's

26:18

one of the days that we get

26:20

off of work, of like our day

26:23

jobs. What's that? My job job job

26:25

job was shut down. So I just

26:27

did my other job. Marketing

28:31

is hard. But I'll tell you a little secret.

28:33

It doesn't have to be. Let me point

28:35

something out. You're listening to a podcast right

28:37

now and it's great. You love the host,

28:39

you seek it out and download it, you

28:41

listen to it while driving, working out, cooking,

28:44

even going to the bathroom. This

36:29

story from AP, tens of millions of

36:31

dead people aren't getting Social Security checks,

36:33

despite Trump and Musk claims. This has

36:36

to do with the program that they're

36:38

using. So they're using a program called

36:40

COBOL, and if it doesn't know your

36:42

birth date, it just sort of defaults

36:45

and a date from a long time

36:47

ago, because that's how the system, like

36:49

the code language works. And these guys

36:51

are all like, well, look at what

36:54

it says. It says that all these

36:56

people are getting all this extra money

36:58

and all this stuff. And it doesn't

37:00

say that at all, like the actual

37:03

data says that many of those people

37:05

aren't paid anyway, and then the ones

37:07

that they are that might just be

37:09

missing the actual date that they were

37:12

born. And so that's the only thing

37:14

that it is. But no, these guys,

37:16

I mean, this is a guy who

37:18

is supposed to be a programmer, right?

37:21

That's what Elon Musk is. And he

37:23

doesn't understand how this particular programming language

37:25

even works, who is. Cutting things doesn't

37:27

know what it does. This is like

37:30

a guy. I mean, this is like

37:32

hiring just some random guy to rewire

37:34

the electricity in your car. Yeah, man.

37:36

Just gonna pull out stuff and be

37:39

like, I don't know. Wires are wires.

37:41

Wires are wires. It's still running, right?

37:43

Just cram all the wires against each

37:45

other and hope for the best way.

37:48

That's what's happening. This is a horror.

37:50

And, you know, again, there's part of

37:52

me that recognizes this is going to

37:54

recognize. Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security payments.

37:57

Social Security payments, dude. If you start

37:59

fucking with that, that's a huge group

38:01

of voters. That's an enormous group of

38:03

voters. And those are people who show

38:06

up at the polls. If you fuck

38:08

with those people, I mean, the easiest

38:10

win ever for the next group would

38:12

be, yeah, we're just gonna go back

38:15

to the way we were with Social

38:17

Security. That's the easiest win ever if

38:19

they start fucking with it tremendously. Like,

38:21

and also, Social Security has, like, in

38:24

terms of payments, has an error rate

38:26

that's less than 1%. Yeah. Any system

38:28

anybody creates is going to have an

38:30

error rate. And obviously we want to

38:33

get that error rate as low as

38:35

possible because it does cost money. But

38:37

your error rates like under one percent.

38:39

There's no fruit there's no fruit there.

38:42

Like if you're if you're rooting out,

38:44

if you're trying to find some government

38:46

waste and government corruption, government spending and

38:48

all that, like you're not finding it.

38:51

These guys have already, they've been auditing

38:53

their own shit for fucking years. They

38:55

have an error rate of like less

38:57

than one percent. You didn't find what

39:00

you said. The problem is that they

39:02

are tweeting out just straight up lies.

39:04

The fat cat fashits in Washington are

39:06

betraying their own people. This from New

39:09

York Times, Doge claimed it saved $8

39:11

billion in one contract. It was actually

39:13

$8 million. And it might not even

39:15

been $8 million. If you read this

39:18

article, they're like, that's being very generous

39:20

that it's $8 million. Right. Yeah. So

39:22

like they made an order of magnitude

39:24

error? No. More than that. They made

39:27

an error that's with three four orders

39:29

of magnitude off to get some. It's

39:31

like a whole set of promise. Yeah,

39:33

it is. It's like your whole do

39:36

the whole. Because there were a magnitude

39:38

to be 80 million. Two orders made

39:40

to be 800 million. Three. Three orders

39:42

of magnitude. Yeah, for real. What a

39:45

fuck up that is what a fuck

39:47

up. What they want to is say

39:49

like, oops. Yeah. Because it's a big

39:51

deal. Like they're like they put a

39:54

thing out like, oh, oh, we've already

39:56

found like. $50 billion in savings or

39:58

something. And it's like, that's counting. $8

40:00

billion that's not $8 billion. And they

40:03

have a bunch of other dumb shit

40:05

that's poorly counted. What they're doing is

40:07

cutting services and firing people. Sure. Are

40:09

you going to get money from that?

40:12

Yeah, absolutely. Are we also going to

40:14

get shittier services because of that? Yeah.

40:16

Absolutely. Well, and I mean, here's something

40:18

else. They're cutting all these people out

40:21

of the IRS. They're doing that on

40:23

purpose, so that like the fucking tax

40:25

cheats don't have to pay their taxes.

40:27

That's why they're doing it. Biden hired

40:30

under the Biden administration, they hired a

40:32

whole bunch of people in the IRS

40:34

specifically to go after and collect money

40:36

from the fucking rich people that have

40:39

to pay the taxes, then just don't

40:41

actually pay their taxes. People like you

40:43

and I, we get our taxes, typically

40:45

just taken out of our paychecks, we're

40:48

W two earners, and then we file

40:50

our taxes, and oftentimes the government has

40:52

had more of our money, and then

40:54

they get to borrow that tax free

40:57

until, you know, tax day, and then

40:59

we get it back. afterwards. That's often

41:01

how it's done as W-2. That's usually

41:03

the case, right? But like, most of

41:06

the money that people owe, like people

41:08

like that, we're not getting fucking audited.

41:10

They're not showing up and auditing people

41:12

like us. They're showing up in like,

41:15

they should be auditing top earners. Complex

41:17

taxes, more room for for people to

41:19

cheat on their taxes. The Biden administration

41:21

hired a bunch of people are all

41:24

fucking fired. They fired them all. Fire

41:26

them all. Yeah. So these guys are

41:28

going to cheat on their taxes. It's

41:30

literally tax season right now. Yeah. Why?

41:33

They're firing all those people. Why not

41:35

cheat on your fucking taxes? I feel

41:37

like at this point, like, should we

41:39

even file them? Yeah, I know, man.

41:42

Like, if there's nobody there, well, there's

41:44

nobody there. They're going to be fucking

41:46

overworked and overwhelmed. and they're just gonna

41:48

perform minimum services and they're not gonna

41:51

have any fucking time for any the

41:53

rest of it. Jesus God. You're

42:01

getting off light. I know I'm

42:03

coming. You've done nothing wrong. These

42:05

guys were things. You're a pure

42:08

soul. But you didn't say God

42:10

bless you when I sneeze. Loki?

42:13

You're getting off light. You're so

42:15

lucky. Okay, I gotta put this

42:17

on the screen. Dude, dude, what

42:20

the shit? What the shit? Dude,

42:22

it reminds me, it reminds me

42:25

of something from, that's like biblical,

42:27

I don't know why. This is

42:29

from Snopes. Goat covered in $100

42:32

Trump bills is on display at

42:34

Maralago. Guys, here's, it's a fucking

42:37

goat statue, covered in fucking Trump

42:39

Monopoly money. Everything about this guy

42:41

is so fucking tacky. I know.

42:44

It's just so tacky. I really

42:46

wanted the villains that destroyed the

42:49

world to be better, like we

42:51

have better taste. Why does this

42:53

have a true stamp on it?

42:56

Like why do I live in

42:58

a world where there's a true

43:00

stamp on this? I don't get

43:03

it. I just don't get it.

43:05

And I put it up here

43:08

very specifically because there was, you

43:10

know, it has to be whether

43:12

or not there's a... it's debunked

43:15

or bumped, right? You need to

43:17

know whether it's bumped or debunked.

43:20

This one's bunked. But you know,

43:22

but you see it and you

43:24

think, is it possible that that's

43:27

real? Is that fake? What is

43:29

this? And I'm not clicking on

43:32

any Twitter links, but is it

43:34

not. And then you see, you're

43:36

like, yeah, no, it's a real

43:39

thing. And then Stubbs is like,

43:41

yeah, no, some crazy person who's

43:44

really tacky. $100 bills of Trump's

43:46

face on it and then put

43:48

it at Marilago. I mean, I

43:51

think. Here's what I would say.

43:53

If I was religious, if I

43:56

was religious, I think I would

43:58

be really upset with this. If

44:00

I was religious, I think I

44:03

would. Because of the golden idolatry

44:05

that goes along with it. I

44:07

think like, you know, obviously no

44:10

one will be, but I think

44:12

like if I was religious, this

44:15

would be a sign to me.

44:17

One of those signs. If you

44:19

were religious, and I mean this,

44:22

if you're religious, and you are

44:24

still a Trump supporter, you are

44:27

a liar. Because like, do you

44:29

remember the golden statue of Trump?

44:31

Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you were

44:34

religious, and I mean, like, you're,

44:36

and you're a Trump supporter, you're

44:39

lying. Yeah. You don't care. You're

44:41

not religious. You're bad at your

44:43

religion. You're just bad at your

44:46

religion. You just bad at it.

44:48

You don't care about it. You

44:51

don't care about that. What you

44:53

are is somebody who likes the,

44:55

the fucking potluck dinner. No,

44:58

no, I can't think of a time

45:01

I've had a good potluck dinner. No,

45:03

I've had the best the best potluck

45:05

dinners I've ever had like have been

45:08

mediocre Yeah, like it like best-case scenario.

45:10

Here's the potluck dinner One you've got

45:12

to make something that is either going

45:14

to be good cold. Yep or something

45:17

that can be heated up and stay

45:19

hot there in a crock pot. Because

45:21

those are your only two options. Yep.

45:23

You can't make anything else. Like I

45:26

can't be like, oh, I'm gonna make

45:28

rib eyes. Like that wouldn't possibly didn't

45:30

do that, right? Or I'm gonna make,

45:32

you know, even if it was a

45:35

flank steak. Let's make like a little

45:37

flank station where I made a flank

45:39

steak station or something where I caught

45:41

it and you came up and I

45:44

got a, it still wouldn't be good.

45:46

So you're in this weird spot where

45:48

you're like, okay, well, what can I

45:50

make? Well, most of the time you

45:53

make a dip or something in your

45:55

crock pot or a chili or something,

45:57

those aren't bad sometimes, sometimes they're horrible,

46:00

sometimes they're really bad. And that's the

46:02

problem. with a potluck too is that

46:04

like everybody participates and some people aren't

46:06

good at it so you're just like

46:09

50% of the things 25% of the

46:11

things I'm gonna eat are bad they're

46:13

not good yeah so you're already rolling

46:15

the dice and maybe you made Tom

46:18

maybe you made the best chili there

46:20

but I don't trust it because I'm

46:22

not gonna eat your chili because I'm

46:24

like oh man I had bad chili

46:27

here one other time I'm not gonna

46:29

do it again I'm done so I

46:31

won't eat that And then the other

46:33

stuff is just cold. And cold stuff

46:36

is most of the time, not all

46:38

the time, but cold stuff most of

46:40

the time is unappetizing. So you know,

46:42

you were basically hamstrung everybody there into

46:45

making one or two things or a

46:47

completely inedible thing because it's not doing

46:49

either of those things. What's your most

46:51

hated potluck staple? You know what it

46:54

is? What they call in the Midwest

46:56

barbecue. So they'll do sloppy Joe's at

46:58

these things. I don't know if you've

47:01

ever seen this like sloppy Joe's. They

47:03

call it barbecue out here, but it's

47:05

essentially just like Grade beef with somebody

47:07

threw some you know just a bucket

47:10

of sauce in yeah, yeah, and then

47:12

they didn't drain the fat so it's

47:14

like got this fucking like shine of

47:16

fat on it and it always tastes

47:19

really really bland. It tastes like it

47:21

tastes like sweet baby rais or whatever

47:23

Cool, that doesn't taste like anything. You're

47:25

like, that's not an interesting sauce even.

47:28

It's a boring sauce that you put

47:30

on that. And then I've got a,

47:32

like a, a bun that's been sitting

47:34

out. I'm going to eat it. That's

47:37

probably my least favorite. I almost always

47:39

skip it. Almost always skip it. Crock

47:41

pot barbecue meatballs. That sounds terrible. I've

47:43

never seen them. Man, like, like I,

47:46

like I've seen these at so many

47:48

potlucks at so many pot luck. And

47:50

then it's like barbecue sauce in there.

47:52

Yeah, and then they cook it in

47:55

the crock pot for like four weeks.

47:57

Holy shit, dude. And it's like it.

47:59

like it quite like it burns on

48:02

the side and then it like reduces

48:04

down because they've taken the lid off

48:06

of it and then you've got these

48:08

little like hunks of like dried out

48:11

dog food ass fucking meatballs they're the

48:13

world like I'll eat them I'll eat

48:15

them I'll eat them but hey they're

48:17

so bad I'll still eat a plate

48:20

of them but I'm a little mad

48:22

about it yeah I'm a little mad

48:24

of a time yeah yeah yeah yeah

48:26

yeah Ocean's rise, empires fall,

48:29

it's much harder when

48:31

it's all your call,

48:33

all alone, across the

48:35

sea, when your people

48:37

say they hate you,

48:39

don't come crawling back

48:41

to me. All the

48:43

stories from The Guardian,

48:45

200 UK companies

48:48

sign up for

48:50

permanent four-day working

48:52

week, more than 5,000 workers.

48:54

to benefit from reduced hours

48:57

with no loss of pay. Man,

48:59

God save the Queen. Have you ever

49:01

had a job? I've had two jobs

49:03

that have flirted with the

49:06

four-day work week. And the way

49:08

that they've done it is one of

49:10

two ways. The first job that I

49:12

had that flirted with the four-day

49:14

work week just puts you

49:16

to four, ten-hour days. Sure. Yeah.

49:19

Still way better. Then five, eight hours,

49:21

I would take that too. I took it in

49:23

a second. I would take that too because you

49:25

could be like, yeah, I get in at eight

49:27

in the morning and I don't leave till six.

49:30

But I wasn't gonna do much on those

49:32

days anyway. Right. So. Yeah, it's a

49:34

100% took it. It's actually funny. The

49:36

first job I had that did it was

49:38

the title company I worked at before

49:40

this one. And like they want to

49:42

move all of their employees to four day

49:44

work week and I was the manager. And

49:47

I said, well, what's my day off? And my boss

49:49

is like, well, no, it's for the employees, not for

49:51

you. And I was like, well, that's not going to

49:53

work for me. We got to do something. Like, if

49:55

everybody, I can't be the only buddy that's got to

49:57

work five days. So he's like, all right, and we've

49:59

fought. a little bit about it, and

50:02

he gave me like Wednesday or

50:04

something. And I fucking loved it.

50:06

It only lasted like three months,

50:08

and then he realized it was

50:10

untenable because he didn't manage it

50:12

properly. But like, it was fucking

50:14

great. You work two days, you

50:16

get a day off, it's middle

50:18

to week. I would fucking kill

50:20

for a Wednesday. It was great,

50:22

man. If I can have every

50:24

Wednesday off. I loved it. And

50:26

then you just like, you work

50:28

two days, you work two days,

50:30

off two days. work two days

50:32

off a day. Oh, Wednesday is

50:35

the best day of the week

50:37

to take off. Yeah, it was

50:39

fucking great. I know everybody wants

50:41

like Monday Friday. I never like

50:43

those. I never cared about that.

50:45

I fucking loved it. Like I

50:47

said, he mismanaged it so only

50:49

lasted like two months and everything

50:51

fell amazing. Wednesday is an amazing

50:53

day to take up at work.

50:55

And then the other the other

50:57

time that I've seen it is

50:59

at my current company, we've done

51:01

it to save money. So you

51:03

go to a 40 work week.

51:05

But then you cut people's hours.

51:07

And that's a way to say,

51:10

now they're doing 30. Now 32.

51:12

We've knocked people from 40 to

51:14

32. Just a four day work

51:16

week? Just 32 hours and you're

51:18

still full time? That's amazing. That's

51:20

a fucking gift. It's amazing. It's

51:22

amazing. I wish, I wish, you

51:24

know, we live in a time

51:26

where, you know, hopefully there's a

51:28

possibility that some places in the

51:30

world. But it would be amazing

51:32

to see more people having a

51:34

four-day work week. You know, like

51:36

when I saw us starting to

51:38

work from home, I thought that

51:40

there was maybe a change. Yeah,

51:42

I thought so too. But it

51:45

doesn't really look like they're trying

51:47

to reverse all that too. Some

51:49

NBC News, we're sure Massachusetts becomes

51:51

a sanctuary city for trans people

51:53

after council. That's kind of amazing

51:55

actually. I love this. This is

51:57

great. There's a whole video here.

51:59

And it's just wonderful. It's like,

52:01

you know. This is what the

52:03

world needs more. The world needs

52:05

more people just being like, yeah,

52:07

no, we're gonna, we're gonna, this

52:09

is where you come. This is

52:11

where, like I was saying it,

52:13

man, I've been saying it for

52:15

weeks, I'm gonna keep saying it,

52:17

like, just like, let's collect all

52:20

the people they hate. and let's

52:22

be a one big group of

52:24

that and I love this. I'm

52:26

like, yeah, man, that's what we

52:28

need. We need a bunch of

52:30

these places popping up there like,

52:32

yeah, this is a sanctuary for

52:34

everybody that they dislike. Yeah, I

52:36

love the idea of having places

52:38

in the country where we're just

52:40

like, we still know what the

52:42

right thing to do. Yeah. We

52:44

still know what the right thing

52:46

to do. Yeah. We still know

52:48

what the right thing to do.

52:50

Tell your parents that President Orline

52:52

and Isher will. Real interesting story

52:55

from the Atlantic, how COVID pushed

52:57

a generation of young people to

52:59

the right. Lots of stuff in

53:01

this. One thing that I seized

53:03

on, I wanted to talk a

53:05

little bit about, Cecil, that I

53:07

hadn't really thought about. But during

53:09

the pandemic, more and more people

53:11

began to socialize, of course, online,

53:13

so they can't socialize on social

53:15

media. And one of the things

53:17

I hadn't really considered is that

53:19

on social media. Those are really

53:21

gender separated spaces. I didn't realize

53:23

that either when I heard this,

53:25

I was like, you know what

53:27

they kind of are in a

53:30

lot of ways. There's a lot

53:32

of gendered spaces online and those

53:34

gendered spaces isolated men and women.

53:36

And then when you have a

53:38

play, you have now a far

53:40

right leaning young male base that

53:42

feels in many ways pushed. in

53:44

that position because of COVID and

53:46

other things and unhappy because of

53:48

it? And then they want change

53:50

and the change they see is

53:52

the change on the right. Yeah,

53:54

it really began, well it didn't

53:56

begin, but like it worked too

53:58

deep in the radicalization of young

54:00

men against feminism. Yeah. There's a

54:02

lot of men who've been erroneously

54:05

taught that feminism is... not compatible

54:07

with their own sense of self

54:09

and masculinity. They've been taught that

54:11

feminism, again, erroneously, is, means like

54:13

the supremacy of women over men.

54:15

taught a lot of bad shit

54:17

about feminism. So because they've gotten

54:19

their ideas from a bunch of

54:21

people who have weaponized those ideas

54:23

in order to sell shit and

54:25

radicalize those people and then to

54:27

sell them more shit. And it's

54:29

really been a tragic reworking of

54:31

American culture as a result. And

54:33

now Trump in the last election,

54:35

like Trump, basically erased all of

54:38

the gulf between Democrats and Republicans

54:40

that young people had always expressed.

54:42

So young voters had always expressed

54:44

a huge leaning toward the left.

54:46

And after the pandemic, a lot

54:48

of that's been erased. Yeah, it's

54:50

been gutted. And I think they,

54:52

you know, these these male influencers

54:54

did a thing, which a lot

54:56

of people do, which is create

54:58

a, you know, an enemy, and

55:00

then point their... their group at

55:02

them and say that that enemy

55:04

is coming for you and that

55:06

enemy is trying to suppress you,

55:08

that enemy is trying to all

55:10

press you, and you know, you're

55:13

safe with me and I'm going

55:15

to help you fight them, and

55:17

they chose, they chose feminism as

55:19

that thing, when, you know, it's

55:21

so funny because you think like

55:23

any guy who's secure in their

55:25

own masculinity should be... There's nothing

55:27

there that's threatening. The only thing

55:29

that's there is there a chance

55:31

there's a chance to learn from

55:33

someone else. That's really it. Because

55:35

like, you know, that old saying

55:37

that you, if you're privileged, any

55:39

kind of equality feels like oppression

55:41

is exactly this. And that's what

55:43

they seized on. They made all

55:45

those young men think this cut

55:48

this equality that you're feeling now,

55:50

any bit of it. And it

55:52

wasn't even like a true equality,

55:54

but anytime there was any kind

55:56

of sense that there was an

55:58

equality, they made sure to point

56:00

to it as oppression, and people

56:02

believed them. They believed them. And

56:04

they played on that feeling that

56:06

all these young men were having

56:08

from this place of privilege that

56:10

they had before, and it created

56:12

a whole group of people, Danel,

56:14

that are probably gonna vote right

56:16

for a long time. Long time.

56:18

Yeah. They suspect they're not gonna

56:20

be somebody who's gonna be somebody

56:23

who's gonna snap back. Yeah, well,

56:25

and one of the things that

56:27

they point out, and I think

56:29

rightfully so, is that people in

56:31

their teens and 20s begin to

56:33

solidify a lot, that they'll then

56:35

hold for the rest of their

56:37

lives for the rest of their

56:39

lives. is I do think that

56:41

like we hit a moment socially

56:43

where I think like me too

56:45

really helped to kind of like

56:47

like drive some of this where

56:49

we began to have really important

56:51

conversations about like about violence against

56:53

women about the predatory nature of

56:55

certain power dynamics about you know

56:58

really important elements of like how

57:00

the patriarchy affects all the patriarchy

57:02

effects. And I think one of

57:04

the things that got lost in

57:06

there, and I don't know how

57:08

to fix it, but I just

57:10

think about it a lot, is

57:12

that I think that we've kind

57:14

of built a narrative that a

57:16

lot of men are really upset

57:18

about, where the view of masculinity

57:20

revolves around who not to be.

57:22

And there's not a whole lot

57:24

of messaging about who to be.

57:26

And that's not an effective message.

57:28

That's not an important conversation. Ironically.

57:30

Those are deeply important, like life-savingly

57:33

important conversations to have, but those

57:35

are also messages that like if

57:37

you if all the messages for

57:39

that young men here in their

57:41

minds at least, if all that

57:43

they're sort of taking in their

57:45

minds and absorbing is don't be

57:47

this, don't do that, and then

57:49

we don't have any good messaging

57:51

from our side that says be

57:53

this, do that, it leaves a

57:55

vacuum. And we always, I think,

57:57

good intentionally. like the thought well

57:59

like that's because we want people

58:01

to invent their own masculine we

58:03

want we don't want it to

58:05

be constrained by these sort of

58:08

like you know traditional social forces

58:10

the problem is that the right

58:12

saw that as an opportunity to

58:14

fill it with the tates and

58:16

to fill it with like the

58:18

Jordan Petersons and to fill it

58:20

with a when you leave a

58:22

vacuum you leave a big hole

58:24

for grifters you leave a big

58:26

hole especially in young minds and

58:28

I think like it's a real

58:30

problem in our messaging around masculinity

58:32

and femininity that we've said that

58:34

we've framed the conversation about about

58:36

masculinity in terms of who not

58:38

to be rather than positive messages

58:40

about who to be. And I

58:43

don't know what the solution is.

58:45

It just feels urgent to me.

58:47

You know, I'm drawing a connection

58:49

to my head about women in

58:51

say the 50s through to like,

58:53

you know, the 90s. It was

58:55

probably maybe to the 80s, I'm

58:57

not sure, women could probably tell

58:59

me better, but there was this

59:01

idea that like, if you're a

59:03

woman, there's a career for you

59:05

in teaching, there's a career for

59:07

you in nursing, there's a career

59:09

for you in daycare, but that's

59:11

kind of it. There's really not

59:13

a lot of other places that

59:16

you can go. And so they

59:18

didn't have representation in their head

59:20

about how they could be something

59:22

else, right? We came

59:24

very close to having twice, I

59:26

think a woman being president, right?

59:28

The highest thing in the land

59:30

where you would look at and

59:32

say, oh, okay, you know, one

59:34

day I might be president or

59:37

whatever. Definitely we had a vice

59:39

president, right? One day I might

59:41

be vice president. And women fill

59:43

all kinds of roles today that

59:45

they, traditionally, if you look back

59:47

in time, did not have any

59:49

opportunity to do. And I wonder

59:51

too, like, it's just seeing guys

59:53

being able to cope and. and

59:56

do the right things like you're

59:58

suggesting that could help fill those

1:00:00

gaps. Because all you have to

1:00:02

do is just get out there

1:00:04

and... make sure that there's enough

1:00:06

dudes doing this stuff to say

1:00:08

it's okay guys we're not threatened

1:00:10

by by this sort of by

1:00:13

feminism feminism doesn't threaten us it's

1:00:15

okay we can live we can

1:00:17

live in the same world where

1:00:19

that exists and we can all

1:00:21

thrive together and we can understand

1:00:23

each other at a level we

1:00:25

never understood each other before right

1:00:27

if there's somebody out there modeling

1:00:29

that behavior that's a good thing

1:00:32

but instead what you're seeing like

1:00:34

you suggest is like you know

1:00:36

Adrian, what is it, Andrew? What

1:00:38

is Peter's, what is that guy's

1:00:40

name? No, it's Jordan Peterson. Jordan,

1:00:42

Peterson, and Andrew Tate, and to

1:00:44

a lesser extent, Joe Rogan, like

1:00:46

I'm listening to Joe Rogan now,

1:00:48

and Joe Rogan's, you know, Joe

1:00:51

Rogan does have a lot of

1:00:53

things that you should do, right?

1:00:55

It's like talking about how you

1:00:57

should be doing hard, like, completely

1:00:59

obvious, but they're undertones of his

1:01:01

show. And I think those guys

1:01:03

all seized on that sort of

1:01:05

thing. We talked about loneliness this

1:01:08

last time, but also solitude. In

1:01:10

a lot of ways, Joe Rogan

1:01:12

is singing the same things on

1:01:14

his show every week. So yeah,

1:01:16

I think that there just needs

1:01:18

to be somebody who's just able

1:01:20

to show that. I think there

1:01:22

have been. I don't think that

1:01:24

it's bereft. I think there are

1:01:27

people who are doing it. But

1:01:29

I just think that... For some

1:01:31

reason, I think what sells better

1:01:33

isn't, this is, what are you

1:01:35

worried about? Instead, it's, you should

1:01:37

be worried, sells way better. Yeah,

1:01:39

I agree. I think the part

1:01:41

of the problem is, the narrative

1:01:44

of you are a victim and

1:01:46

here is the aggressor, everybody takes

1:01:48

to that message. And like, saying

1:01:50

like, hey, here are some heroes

1:01:52

you can have that exude a

1:01:54

kind of masculinity that is not

1:01:56

threatened by femininity. There's no easy

1:01:58

binary aggressor victim. Like it doesn't

1:02:00

work in the same way. It's

1:02:03

just harder to spin for people.

1:02:05

So the messaging has been neater

1:02:07

and slicker and easier. The answers

1:02:09

have been more ready and available

1:02:11

on the other end. It's a

1:02:13

more complicated answer on our side.

1:02:15

And think about how they treat

1:02:17

women, even when they're talking about

1:02:19

how they want to be with

1:02:22

women. Yeah. They treat them adversarily.

1:02:24

Right? Like to think about how

1:02:26

they treat. that like they're talking

1:02:28

about like that pickup sort of

1:02:30

yeah idea you know that more

1:02:32

plates and dates or whatever stuff

1:02:34

you know like that stuff is

1:02:36

all about women are an adversary

1:02:39

that you need to conquer yep

1:02:41

that's not about like Find somebody

1:02:43

that is compatible with you and

1:02:45

like learn to live with that

1:02:47

person and love that person and

1:02:49

enjoy life with that does that's

1:02:51

not that part of it at

1:02:53

all. It's all about being adversarial

1:02:55

and they sold all that stuff.

1:02:58

Yeah, they sold. It's it's the

1:03:00

adversarial mentality and it's also the

1:03:02

acquisitional mentality. Yeah, yeah, conquering. Yeah.

1:03:08

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