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on earth did this possibly happen? We're

2:31

going to talk about this in detail.

2:33

We have to spend so much time

2:35

on this because there's a lot to

2:37

unpack here. And it is the,

2:39

what we're calling, signal gate because

2:41

everything that's a controversy, Tom, needs

2:44

a gate after it. It's a

2:46

gate after it because of water,

2:48

which had no gate. It was not

2:50

even about water. Was it about water?

2:52

Was it about gates? It was about

2:54

steel. I was about stealing information. I

2:57

kind of wish everything because like water

2:59

gate was just a hotel. Like I

3:01

wish instead of like seizing on the

3:04

weirdness of gate, like we would just be

3:06

like, oh, it's signal hotel. I'd be

3:08

like, that makes as

3:10

much sense. Or a

3:13

signal Sheridan. Oh, it's

3:15

water signal. It's signal

3:17

ramada by the airport.

3:20

But signal Hojo. But

3:22

in any case, this

3:24

whole thing explodes. What

3:26

happens initially is there

3:29

is a signal thread that

3:31

pops up in a reporter. a

3:34

poor reporter for the

3:36

Atlantic and signal thread

3:38

pops up in his signal.

3:40

So he gets a signal

3:42

suggestion like in invitation

3:44

to this chat invitation

3:46

to join a chat. And the

3:48

chat he got invited to was by

3:51

Michael Wall's the national

3:53

security advisor. So that

3:55

guy is using signal, which

3:57

is an I mean, it's a you

3:59

know, it's encrypted end-to-end, but it's an

4:02

unsecured app that's not supposed to

4:04

be used for any kind of

4:06

top-secret information, any kind of information

4:08

like that. Whenever they do any

4:10

kind of secret information, they need

4:12

to use very specific channels. It's

4:14

very important for them to do

4:16

that. Well, he gets added to

4:18

this channel, and he comes to

4:20

realize, first he thinks it's a

4:22

hoax. And good on him. And

4:24

I when I first heard this

4:26

story, Tom, I thought it was

4:28

a hoax too. Basically, he gets

4:30

invited to a channel with Pete

4:33

Hagseth, Marco Rubio, Tulsie Gabbard, J.D.

4:35

Vance, uh, Stephen Miller, they think

4:37

Stephen Miller, just goes by SM

4:39

on channel, on signal, on signal,

4:41

so you're not sure. And several

4:43

of of their aides, all on

4:45

the same channel. And they are

4:47

discussing an attack on the Huthies.

4:49

So the Houthis are seizing shipping

4:51

lanes and causing issues and they

4:53

want to do a strike on

4:55

them. So they want to do,

4:57

they want to call in a

4:59

military strike. And so there's a

5:01

whole chat about should they or

5:03

shouldn't they? And there's a back

5:05

and forth. We're going to go

5:07

through the whole chat to talk

5:09

about it. And then they finally

5:12

send times, weapon types, you know,

5:14

over this signal channel. Un real.

5:16

There's other details too, like people

5:18

were out of the country when

5:20

they were getting some of these

5:22

signal chats, etc. And again, this

5:24

is not on a this is

5:26

not on a channel that is

5:28

like super secret channel. This is

5:30

on, you know, coming over through

5:32

their phones, through other people's networks,

5:34

etc. So they are getting this

5:36

signal stuff that's coming to them.

5:38

And the whole time, a reporter

5:40

that was accidentally invited invited. is

5:42

eavesdropping on them bungal classified information.

5:44

This is all classified. You should

5:46

not be telling people times and

5:48

places and also. Maybe names of

5:51

CIA operatives. Those types of things.

5:53

Yeah, those types of things are

5:55

not things you would share on

5:57

a signal They these people can

5:59

communicate with signal. That's perfectly fine

6:01

that they communicate via signal But

6:03

they can't share certain things over

6:05

it and the real issue is

6:07

the things that they were sharing

6:09

and so he Called the office

6:11

took himself out of the chat

6:13

after it went off and he

6:15

knew that this sort of thing

6:17

seemed like it was real Yeah,

6:19

like the verification that it was

6:21

real He was like well, I

6:23

guess I'll know in two hours

6:25

whether this is real He sees

6:28

the actual attack plan. Yeah, well

6:30

material and then it's so like

6:32

he goes like two like he

6:34

knew what time this supposed attack

6:36

was gonna happen. He's still dubious.

6:38

He's talking to his guy Shane

6:40

who's like at the editor desk

6:42

and they're talking like this is

6:44

fake There's no way. There's probably

6:46

a state actor trying to fucking

6:48

trick us, trying to embarrass us,

6:50

trying to flush something out. He's

6:52

like it's very elaborate hoax, but

6:54

it's probably a hoax. But I

6:56

guess we'll know in two hours.

6:58

He waits two hours, he hops

7:00

on X, he types in Yemen,

7:02

and he sees that the bombs

7:04

are dropping. And he's like, holy,

7:07

fucking shit. Yeah. And so he

7:09

gets confirmation then, and then he

7:11

sends a message the next day.

7:13

after he takes himself out of

7:15

the chat, and he knows that

7:17

Mike Walsh, is that his name,

7:19

Waltz, will know that he's taken

7:21

himself out of the chat, and

7:23

he so he sends a message

7:25

and says, by the way, White

7:27

House, do you have any comments

7:29

on this? I just saw all

7:31

this, and they confirmed the very

7:33

next day, they said, you shouldn't

7:35

have been involved, but nothing that

7:37

was secret was sent in those

7:39

chats, but you shouldn't have been

7:41

involved, and we're investigating how you

7:44

were included. When you, when somebody,

7:46

a signal is no different than

7:48

any other chat service, when somebody

7:50

leaves, everybody gets notified. And that

7:52

should have been a giant oh

7:54

shit moment. But from what the

7:56

Atlantic reporter, who's the editor of

7:58

the Atlantic, from what he said,

8:00

nobody noticed that he was added.

8:02

And nobody seemed to notice when

8:04

he left. When he left somebody,

8:06

you would think Mike Walsh would

8:08

have picked up the phone and

8:10

been like, hey, we gotta talk.

8:12

Nothing. Fucking crickets. It is such

8:14

an elaborately stupid thing to do.

8:16

Like it is a, it is

8:18

almost a sort of like, Byzantinely

8:20

stupid thing to do. Like there's

8:23

so many steps to get wrong,

8:25

right? Like you said, like are

8:27

they allowed to use signal? They

8:29

are. but they're not allowed to

8:31

talk about anything even remotely sensitive

8:33

using something like signal. And if

8:35

they're going to talk about shit

8:37

that's classified, they are supposed to

8:39

go into one of these skiffs.

8:41

And we talked about skiffs before.

8:43

If you are a, if you're

8:45

like the fucking defense secretary, they

8:47

actually install skiffs in their homes.

8:49

So these guys have these top

8:51

secret super rooms, these, you know,

8:53

installed in their fucking houses. The

8:55

reason that they're speculating that they

8:57

use signal is it was the

8:59

weekend. And they wanted to take

9:02

an action in the next 72

9:04

hours. And nobody, and people might

9:06

not have been around their house,

9:08

they're out and about, they're doing

9:10

weekend stuff, Cecil. So instead of

9:12

following the established protocol and, you

9:14

know, like doing the top secret

9:16

stuff, top secretly, instead they're just

9:18

like... Let's just pop over to

9:20

this commercially available app on your

9:22

fucking iPhone, man. Well, and this

9:24

and this goes into a whole

9:26

other bit of speculation and one

9:28

of the one of the pieces

9:30

of speculation that I saw was

9:32

that perhaps they're using this because

9:34

signal will delete your messages after

9:36

a certain amount. Yeah, right. And

9:39

so and these were set to

9:41

delete after I think two weeks

9:43

or four weeks. I don't remember.

9:45

But there was a setting, and

9:47

I saw today on the headline,

9:49

that a judge intervened and said,

9:51

those cannot get deleted. It was

9:53

just, it was a headline as

9:55

I was driving here on the

9:57

front page of the times, because

9:59

like. The setting for signal on

10:01

this chat did have a white feature.

10:03

Yeah, and that's the thing is, if

10:05

you want to get around some of

10:08

this stuff, you do it this way.

10:10

You do it this particular way to

10:12

make sure that there is no trace

10:14

of you having these conversations. And these

10:16

conversations... You know, we're going to get to it

10:18

later, but there's also attacks on, you know, Europe,

10:20

the ideas of, you know, like they want to,

10:22

they're shitting on Europe in these things. They don't

10:25

want that stuff to get out there. They don't

10:27

want anybody to see that sort of thing. They

10:29

want to see people texting emogies with a fist

10:31

in American flag and fight. How cringe is

10:33

that? Guys like 50 years old

10:36

and he's texting emogies to others.

10:38

Like leaders of state people in

10:40

the cabinet are texting emogies to

10:43

each other. It's embarrassing. It is

10:45

that part. I just got, we

10:47

just got to talk about that

10:50

for like, like that's so

10:52

fucking unbelievably juvenile that

10:54

these like grown-ass men and

10:57

women are talking about killing

10:59

other people. And I get that like...

11:01

Sometimes as a nation-state you

11:03

have to make decisions that

11:06

end other people's lives. Like

11:08

I get that. I'm not a fucking,

11:10

you know, wide-eyed naf about that

11:12

stuff. But there's just like,

11:14

there's just no seriousness. When

11:16

you're just tossing like flexy

11:19

fist and fire emologies and

11:21

you're like, hey, hashtag, fuck

11:23

them all up or what I like. This

11:25

is crazy. This is crazy. In

11:27

my workplace. I text a lot

11:29

for my workplace. Very very

11:31

common. There's no fucking way

11:34

I would send an emoji in

11:36

to someone I work with. There's

11:38

no way. It feels wrong.

11:40

It feels inappropriate. It's still

11:42

a professional communication. I would

11:45

never Emogee some like my

11:47

boss like emoji face like

11:49

I'm not like I'm a grown-up.

11:51

We're having serious conversations.

11:54

I was not surprised but disgusted.

11:56

I was disappointed. I'm like

11:58

a dad. I'm not mad, but

12:01

I'm disappointed. You know, the other thing

12:03

that we have to realize is that,

12:05

you know, they are, they have been

12:07

changing the language around this. The very

12:10

first day it was released, nobody had

12:12

seen the actual text. They had a,

12:14

we had a play by play from

12:16

the Atlantic reporter. Right. But there was

12:19

some things in it that he left

12:21

out. He said he left out. I

12:23

didn't talk about certain weapon systems. I

12:25

didn't talk about who certain people were.

12:28

I didn't talk about other things, etc.

12:30

He left some things out in the

12:32

first story. Because he was trying to

12:34

preserve national security. Trying to preserve things.

12:37

One of very few people. Trying to

12:39

do that. And so they bring Radcliffe,

12:41

who is the CIA director of national

12:43

intelligence. to sit down in front of

12:46

Congress was in front of, I think

12:48

it was the first day was in

12:50

front of the Senate, and then the

12:52

second day was in front of Congress,

12:55

but the first day I think was

12:57

in front of the Senate, and the

12:59

Democrats were just grilling these people, and

13:01

they kept on saying there was no

13:04

classified information, and one of the Congress

13:06

people was like, well, then just release

13:08

the text right now. If there's no

13:10

classified information, then just release it. Then

13:13

just release it. Because there's no reason.

13:15

And she's like, well, it's being investigated.

13:17

He's like, I don't care if it's

13:19

being investigated. It doesn't matter. Like, if

13:22

you're saying there's nothing in it that's

13:24

incriminating, release him now and she said

13:26

there was no classified information. Well, they're

13:28

trying to change the language to say,

13:31

this isn't classified. where pilots are leaving

13:33

from, where pilots are going to, what

13:35

time they will be there, when they

13:37

will be releasing drones, what type of

13:40

drones they'll be releasing, etc, etc. So

13:42

there's a lot of information in here.

13:44

Hexeth I saw today said something like,

13:46

it's not a battle plan. And you're

13:49

like, yeah, it's not a battle plan,

13:51

but it is definitely the framework for

13:53

a battle. And it's definitely got a

13:55

lot of really sensitive information that if

13:58

someone were to intercept, they would know

14:00

where to put... Some of these missiles

14:02

that they currently have that could get

14:04

could take down some of these fighters

14:07

and drones and they have them We

14:09

know they have them. This was brought

14:11

out in the hearings. They showed them

14:13

images of these missiles. They're like, you

14:16

know, it's like a little tank and

14:18

it just has a bunch of fucking

14:20

missiles on it. It just shoots missiles

14:22

on it. And it's like, they have

14:25

those things. And that could take down

14:27

our pilots. You could get servicemen killed.

14:29

And the other thing you have to

14:31

point out is. Someone who's in the

14:34

CIA, who's the director of the CIA,

14:36

knows that this stuff shouldn't be sent

14:38

over signal. Absolutely. The hat of the

14:40

Department of Defense absolutely should know that

14:43

this shouldn't be sent over signal. You

14:45

know, the other thing too is that

14:47

many of these people, you know, everybody

14:49

else who I mentioned, you know, anybody

14:52

else should know that this doesn't belong

14:54

in signal. But I also want to

14:56

say that many of these people have

14:58

military backgrounds. Two or three of these

15:01

people are green beres, right? So these

15:03

people are special forces. They would have

15:05

probably been privy to some of this

15:07

information as a recipient of it while

15:10

they were in action, right? Tulsa Gabbard

15:12

was a Lieutenant Colonel. I don't know

15:14

what rank Hagseth got to. I didn't

15:16

look it up today. Fox and Friends,

15:19

I think, this is right. But that

15:21

guy was also in the military. Many

15:23

of these people have either been in

15:26

the military or worked on these high-level

15:28

things before. For what they're doing now

15:30

is trying to gas lights you into

15:32

thinking it's not anything. Yeah, this is

15:35

nothing But this is this is horrifying

15:37

that they're using this for this and

15:39

if they're using this for this what

15:41

else are they using it for? Yeah,

15:44

man I think I don't think that

15:46

the disappearing nature of this stuff is

15:48

an accident like you know any classified

15:50

information is not going to be made

15:53

public But all that stuff is supposed

15:55

to go into the national archive If

15:57

they are off having these serious and

15:59

pertinent and important policy conversations, off record,

16:02

and it is this administration, I am

16:04

just, there's no benefit of the doubt.

16:06

that right there's no benefit of the

16:08

doubt whatsoever on that on that piece

16:11

like these guys knew like they 100%

16:13

know like a whole bunch of the

16:15

like the defense from the Republicans is

16:17

so disingenuous it's such lying bullshit because

16:20

they're on the Republicans I'd like well

16:22

you know we got to learn from

16:24

these mistakes you got to live and

16:26

learn and everybody sometimes adds the wrong

16:29

person to the text chain and you're

16:31

like one you don't get to make

16:33

that mistake at that level yeah there's

16:35

just some jobs where you don't get

16:38

to make a mistake and it's okay.

16:40

If somebody less senior did this same

16:42

shit. That they've been saying that all

16:44

week. They would be in jail. They

16:47

would be like, it's the fact that

16:49

of their seniority, which is the thing

16:51

that should expose them the most, right?

16:53

Like we should be, we should hold

16:56

them to the highest possible standard. Instead,

16:58

they're lowering the standard. Yeah. If somebody

17:00

comes to my house and they say,

17:02

hey man. You're super dupes important and

17:05

you have an ultra top Ninja security

17:07

clearance and we installed a god damn

17:09

skiff in your guest room or whatever

17:11

and there's a there's a landline or

17:14

however it works and they see Like

17:16

and they it's not you don't teach

17:18

them how to do this stuff. It's

17:20

like I don't know that I have

17:23

a skiff in my house. It's like

17:25

I don't know what the purpose of

17:27

that is and the the other thing

17:29

is like It doesn't matter at all

17:32

how secure signal is. That's actually not

17:34

even interestingly relevant. Because state actors are

17:36

constantly working to attack the devices themselves

17:38

that these people carry in their pocket.

17:41

So like if you are China who

17:43

I don't know manufactures the cell phone

17:45

most likely that fucking Pete Hexeth has

17:47

in his god damn pocket. China

17:50

wants nothing more than to

17:52

install something into fucking Pete's

17:54

hexess phone to key log

17:57

and keystroke monitor and all

17:59

that stuff. which is why they

18:01

can't have those conversations on a

18:03

god damn cell phone that they

18:05

bought at Fuckin' Verizon. That's

18:07

not how any of this is

18:09

supposed to work. Like, the end-to-end

18:12

encryption is like, yeah, all right,

18:14

but fucking, who cares? Your phone

18:17

itself is inherently insecure device. It

18:19

can be stolen, it can have

18:21

malware into it. Like, you look at

18:23

this, and you're like... Now I, like,

18:25

do I think these guys are sophisticated

18:28

fucking tech actors that are, like, taking

18:30

the greatest possible care with their devices?

18:32

They added the fucking editor of the

18:34

Atlantic to their, they didn't even add,

18:37

like, they didn't add, like, whoops, the

18:39

Fox and Friends guy. Whoops added them.

18:41

Yeah, man. Yeah, they didn't even add,

18:43

you're right, they didn't add, like, like,

18:45

Laura Ingram, right, you know? And the

18:47

other thing that they didn't do, yeah,

18:49

because if they had had a lower

18:51

income, this never would have come to

18:54

us. Nobody would know. And maybe they

18:56

have, right? Like, we'll ever, literally never

18:58

know. Maybe L.I. on that text

19:00

chain was Laura Ingram. I don't

19:02

know. She's not, there's not an

19:04

L. I'm kidding. Do you ever, do you

19:06

ever, you're like, when you had

19:08

like your, your, your job, you're

19:11

at the university. Like if

19:13

I'm learning whole is inherently insecure

19:15

there were 18 or 19 people.

19:17

When I'm hosting a call and

19:19

it's an important call and it's

19:22

an important call and I've got

19:24

more than six or seven people

19:26

I roll call. You make them

19:28

roll. You do a roll call.

19:30

Yeah. That's like just so I

19:32

know who showed up and who

19:34

didn't. They're having this fucking signal

19:36

conversation and they don't even like.

19:38

Check real quick before talking about

19:41

fucking super duper classified shit, which

19:43

it was classified. They don't even like

19:45

check and make sure, hey, is

19:47

everybody in attendance? Yeah. Are there

19:49

anyone here that's not supposed to

19:52

be? There's no due diligence. There's

19:54

no common sense. There's no care.

19:56

There's no any of that. These guys are

19:58

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keep and switch. thing?

28:07

Disappearing message time was set to

28:09

one week. That that suggests to

28:11

me that there's a setting in there.

28:13

I that was intentionally chosen. I just

28:15

started using signal. So I can't I

28:18

actually use it to contact Marsh for

28:20

the other show I do. And I

28:22

do it because he's in signal groups

28:25

and he's not on Facebook. very often.

28:27

He posts a Facebook every couple days,

28:29

but he's not on Facebook very often.

28:31

So it was just easier for us

28:34

to communicate over signal. We would have

28:36

shorter times in which we wouldn't be

28:38

in contact with each other on Facebook.

28:40

We could go a whole day and

28:42

neither would see the message. Signals a

28:45

lot easier. It's on my phone. It

28:47

sends me a message. It's on my

28:49

computer. It's on my computer. It's on

28:51

my computer. It's on my computer.

28:53

conversation from when I first started

28:55

contacting them after we started the

28:58

show is still there. Yeah. I

29:00

did no settings that could change

29:02

that because the default setting is

29:04

not setting is eternity. Yeah. The

29:06

default setting is forever. So that's

29:08

that's important. So you know right now

29:10

just I just want to like like

29:12

lay this out again before before

29:14

they even have a conversation before

29:16

an even a couple they've already

29:19

broken one law. Yeah. So they've

29:21

also, they've already broken the National

29:23

Records archive law by setting up this

29:25

group. They've broken a law by using this

29:28

platform, or at least they've, if not

29:30

broken law, they've certainly broken the

29:32

incredibly important protocol, by even engaging

29:34

on this platform the way that

29:36

they're doing. Yeah. And that's important

29:38

to put out because they can't engage

29:41

on the platform. Right. And they and they

29:43

and they they're trying to blame Biden by

29:45

saying, well, it was installed in all our

29:47

computers and that's why we thought it was

29:49

okay to use. That's that argument. Oh, are

29:52

you serious? I'm not even kidding. That's an

29:54

argument I saw today. Biden installed it on

29:56

my computer. I saw that today. So, so anyway,

29:58

the text conversation. starts out,

30:00

they say we're going to be doing

30:03

this coordination to attack a group of

30:05

people. So I need, not only do

30:07

I need all the people in this,

30:10

I need people who are going to

30:12

be their point people. So we're going

30:14

to be adding people who will be

30:17

point people to this conversation. And so

30:19

they started naming off different people. And

30:21

a couple of these people, like I

30:23

suggest, they're green berets. So one of

30:26

them was like a, I think it's

30:28

this Brian McCormic guy. or Dan Caldwell,

30:30

I'm not sure one of these two,

30:33

I looked it up today, is a

30:35

green beret, like an X-screen beret. So

30:37

like they would have this kind of

30:40

information, they would know. And one of

30:42

these others too, it might even be

30:44

Waltz, is like an X-screen beret. Oh

30:47

really? Yeah. So like that guy too

30:49

is also. You would think that those

30:51

guys would understand the importance of the

30:53

mission integrity because if like. You know

30:56

the Houthis are backed by Iran. Iran

30:58

is a pretty powerful state actor and

31:00

Iran has allies. If Iran had gotten

31:03

a hold of this information they certainly

31:05

would have passed it over to the

31:07

Houthis because they're supporting and funding that.

31:10

And then the targets that we were

31:12

going after would scudatal. They just leave.

31:14

They would just not be in the

31:17

buildings that were blowing up. The millions

31:19

of dollars of stuff for, you know,

31:21

some sort of mission. Yeah, and all

31:23

the collateral damage. would be the only

31:26

damage. Yeah. And I think that that's

31:28

worth saying too. Is that, you know,

31:30

is it is it acceptable that there

31:33

be in these in these situations a

31:35

certain amount of casualties or collateral damage

31:37

when going after like a military target?

31:40

I think most people commonly would say

31:42

that there is some sliding scale amount

31:44

of acceptable collateral damage. That is a

31:47

commonly held belief. Whether you believe it

31:49

or not, that's a commonly held belief.

31:51

But if all you have is the

31:53

collateral... damage. Then you've just murdered a

31:56

bunch of people and accomplished nothing. You

31:58

didn't even get anything out of it.

32:00

So that's just like morally a thousand

32:03

times worse. Sure, sure. I wonder too,

32:05

you know, now that I'm thinking about

32:07

it, now that they've done this once

32:10

and they've done this in a place

32:12

where they're, you know, the world can

32:14

see that they've used this system. I

32:17

wonder how many people are going to

32:19

do their best to try to figure

32:21

out ways to hack signal. And I

32:23

wonder how many people are going to

32:26

do their best to do fishing attempts

32:28

on these people and their staffers as

32:30

often as they can. They're going to

32:33

be constantly inundated with them because if

32:35

they figure they can get with any

32:37

of these people, if they find a

32:40

private email or whatever, and they can

32:42

get on their private phone somehow, they

32:44

can really do some, they can get

32:46

some serious information because that's how they're

32:49

sharing this information. I mean, they have

32:51

opened themselves up. If they don't decide

32:53

to go back to using skiffs and

32:56

the ways that they should be handling

32:58

this information, they've opened themselves up to

33:00

a bunch of different types of attacks

33:03

that will be happening in the future.

33:05

Tom, we should read this. This is

33:07

JD Vance to the team because we

33:10

alluded to it earlier. Team, I am

33:12

out for the day doing an economic

33:14

event in Michigan, but I think we

33:16

are making a mistake. 3% of US

33:19

trade runs through the Suez. 40% of

33:21

European trade does. There is a real

33:23

risk that the public doesn't understand this

33:26

or why it's necessary. The strongest reason

33:28

to do this is, as Pota said,

33:30

to send a message. But I'm not

33:33

sure the president is aware how inconsistent

33:35

this is with his message on Europe

33:37

right now. There's a further risk that

33:40

we see a moderate to severe... bike

33:42

in oil prices. I am willing to

33:44

support the consensus of the team and

33:46

keep these concerns to myself, but there

33:49

is a strong argument for delaying this

33:51

a month, doing the messaging work on

33:53

why this matters, seeing where the economy

33:56

is, etc. Yeah, so he clearly thinks

33:58

that the president is wrong at this

34:00

point. And then, you know, Hexeth sort

34:03

of raises the concern and says, yeah,

34:05

like, we're not going to be able

34:07

to do that. that we really should

34:10

consider this. Also, he uses the words

34:12

op-sec, which is operational security. Ironic. And

34:14

he's like, I can, I will do

34:16

all I can to 100% enforce 100%

34:19

op-sec. Unbelievable. All that you can. Everything

34:23

you can't except for taking a

34:25

fucking roll call and being like

34:27

hey man wouldn't you also notice

34:29

real quick C so wouldn't you

34:31

notice if you had somebody honor

34:33

if you have only the most

34:35

important people in the room small

34:37

group is what they're calling the

34:40

small group wouldn't you notice somebody

34:42

being like real quiet here's jady

34:44

Vance saying if you think we

34:46

should go, well, let's go, I

34:48

just hate bailing Europe out again.

34:50

And here's where, where JD, where,

34:52

exeth, he's like, I fully share

34:54

your loathing of European free loading.

34:57

It's pathetic. All caps. Way to,

34:59

way to just, way to just,

35:01

like, this is our Department of

35:03

Defense guy. I know. He's the

35:05

guy who needs to be, if

35:07

anybody out there needs to make

35:09

sure that, like, like, our allies.

35:11

And I'm using air quotes here,

35:13

trust us. It needs to be

35:16

this guy because he's going to

35:18

be the one who if you

35:20

know something bad happens to the

35:22

United States, you know, where's our

35:24

coalition of the willing, you know,

35:26

if they're pathetic, what's going to

35:28

happen? How are we reloading pathetic

35:30

Europeans? How are we going to

35:32

get them on our side? But

35:35

we're not. And I think, I

35:37

think too, if you're the Department

35:39

of Defense, like, aren't we inherently

35:41

weaker when we stand alone than

35:43

when we stand with friends? Intelligence

35:45

sharing among allies is intensely valuable

35:47

and powerful. And if I were

35:49

anyone in Europe right now, the

35:51

amount of intelligence I would share

35:54

with the unintelligent is fucking low,

35:56

man. Yeah. We got on this

35:58

slide, there's a bunch of different,

36:00

they talk about all. the different

36:02

things that are going to be

36:04

happening. This is Hagseth telling people

36:06

exactly when and here's the thing

36:08

that I understand. Yeah. Why did

36:10

he even share this? Why couldn't

36:13

he just say in here, okay,

36:15

we're a go. I don't know,

36:17

man. That's a good question. I

36:19

don't know why all these other

36:21

people need to know because of

36:23

all. the things that you could

36:25

share, you don't have to tell

36:27

them all these details because you're

36:29

the details guy. And what I

36:32

wonder is, here's what, here's Cecil's

36:34

theory. Speculate, my friend. Specule's theory.

36:36

Speculate, my friend. Specule's theory is.

36:38

Speculum. I mean, speculate. The Fox

36:40

and Friends guy swing in deck.

36:42

Oh, he just feels important. He

36:44

just wants to feel important to

36:46

show people. Here's what I can

36:48

show you I can show you

36:51

I could do. I could do.

36:53

terms and things to show you

36:55

I'm the one who ordered all

36:57

this stuff and here's what I

36:59

did. Do you think I'm wrong?

37:01

No, I think you're the right

37:03

is right. Holy shit. Yeah, because

37:05

he's a piece of shit. He

37:07

didn't have to share this. He

37:10

didn't have to share it. He

37:12

didn't have to share it. He

37:14

didn't have to share it. He

37:16

didn't have to share it. He

37:18

did have to share it. Yeah,

37:20

operations ago. And that would have

37:22

been nothing. Yeah. There would have

37:24

been a story about these people

37:26

talking about this over signal. And

37:29

it would have been, it would

37:31

have been a little bit of

37:33

a black eye. People would have

37:35

been like, oh come on, whatever,

37:37

and it probably would have blown

37:39

under the radar. He shared this

37:41

because of his hubris. Yeah, yeah.

37:43

And this is what makes it

37:45

the worst thing. Now, we may

37:48

get corrected and people will say

37:50

other things that are, you know,

37:52

well, there is this other thing

37:54

and that's important too. should and

37:56

shouldn't be classified. But I will

37:58

say, without this, it feels a

38:00

lot more like a nothing burger,

38:02

if it doesn't have this in

38:04

it, if it doesn't have that

38:07

very specific stuff that's happening in

38:09

it. I think this is the

38:11

difference between, hey, this was always

38:13

illegal. because the national records issue,

38:15

this was always, obviously no way

38:17

to handle communications within the government,

38:19

adding a reporter, it was always,

38:21

but those were always gonna be,

38:23

they're more theoretical or principle based,

38:26

but the specific action items of,

38:28

hey, at 1215, this kind of

38:30

jet is gonna drop a bomb

38:32

on this specific location. I mean

38:34

that's just indefensible. Yeah, that's in

38:36

that's 100% right. Yeah, indefensible. You

38:38

just can't. What do you say

38:40

about that? Also those emojies. Oh

38:42

my god indefensible. I'm sorry. You

38:45

should be fired for that fire

38:47

and they should fire you with

38:49

emologies. They should have said you

38:51

one thumb down. Thumbed down. Oh,

38:53

God. He sends two prayer hands.

38:55

a flexing bicep and two American.

38:57

God. Yeah, man. So here's the

38:59

members that were in there. It's

39:01

Waltz. There's Heg Seth. And then

39:04

M-A-R is is Marco Rubio. And

39:06

then Radcliffe. T-G is Talsey Gabbard.

39:08

Jady Vance. And then others, there's

39:10

others in there, too. So that

39:12

was the, that was the, the

39:14

text thread. I want to kind

39:16

of play another piece here, so

39:18

I want to put this up

39:20

on the big screen so we

39:23

can play it. This is a

39:25

seat from CNN, and I just

39:27

want to play this clip that

39:29

they put together. If there was

39:31

anyone other than Hillary Clinton, they

39:33

would be in jail right now.

39:35

Nobody is above the law. Not

39:37

even Hillary Clinton, even though she

39:39

thinks she is, mishandling classified information

39:42

is still a violation of the

39:44

espionage. When you have the Clinton

39:46

emails, on top of the fact

39:48

that the sitting president of the

39:50

United States admitted he had documents

39:52

in his garage, or they didn't

39:54

prosecute, they didn't go after these

39:56

folks. So

39:59

um That's the other thing too is

40:01

that they keep on bringing up

40:03

Biden's stuff in the garage and

40:05

that nobody is mentioning that that

40:07

Trump had like nuke secrets in

40:09

this fucking bathroom like these people

40:12

they have a clear history of

40:14

not paying attention to top secret

40:16

documents or caring what's in it.

40:18

That's why I said at the

40:20

outset like this is not an

40:22

administration that deserves the benefit of

40:24

the doubt on this stuff because

40:26

they have already displayed an appalling

40:28

lack of regard for any of

40:30

our national security secrets. You know,

40:32

I remember when Trump was like,

40:34

hey, let me come over here,

40:36

you're not, I'm not supposed to

40:38

show you this, let me show

40:40

you this thing. Yeah, let me show you

40:42

this thing. Yeah, yeah. Let me see I

40:44

can find this. Because he's just like, He

40:46

wanted to swing Dick. He wanted to

40:48

be like, look how important I am. There's

40:51

one more that I want to play. This

40:53

is I want to play this. the

40:55

election headquarters on 2016. So here he

40:57

is. I'm gonna play this one too. Apparently

41:00

the standard operating procedure inside

41:02

the Clinton Secretary of State

41:04

office was to send. emails

41:06

that couldn't otherwise be printed to the

41:08

maid to print them out of a

41:10

secure area or from a secure area

41:12

and then hand them off any any

41:14

security professional military government or otherwise would

41:17

be fired on the spot for this

41:19

type of conduct and criminally prosecuted for

41:21

for being so reckless with this kind

41:23

of information the fact that she wouldn't

41:25

be held accountable for this I think

41:27

blows the mind of anyone who's held

41:29

our nation's secrets deer who's had a

41:32

top secret clearance like I have and

41:34

others who know that he even one

41:36

hiccup causes a problem, let

41:38

alone a standard procedure

41:40

like this. So another thing we

41:43

should definitely talk about is that

41:45

while a couple of these people

41:47

were getting these information, this

41:50

information on their cell phones,

41:52

they might have been in

41:54

other countries. One of them

41:57

probably was in Russia at the

41:59

time. Cool, cool. that they were on,

42:01

you know, they were getting these things

42:03

in their phone from, you know,

42:05

signal and it would be, you know,

42:08

they would be in another country at

42:10

that time. So again, these are, these

42:12

are, I mean, this is a

42:14

horrible situation, a genuinely horrible situation. What

42:17

do you think is going to, nothing

42:19

is going to happen? I think

42:21

that, you know, very clearly, because it's

42:23

already begun. Trump will aggressively try to

42:26

paint everybody who points out this incredible

42:28

breach of our national security as

42:30

they themselves are the traders. I even

42:32

saw something before Before the the actual

42:35

like screenshots hit. I think it was

42:37

Marjorie Taylor Green who tweeted out

42:39

something You know like any disclosure of

42:41

our national secrets is treason or something

42:44

similar to that basically like keep

42:46

your fucking mouth shut. You're not allowed

42:48

to tell anybody what you just learned

42:50

and it's like I don't know man

42:53

Because you guys are all saying

42:55

it's not classified. It's not classified. So

42:57

you can't have it both ways. And

42:59

I think she might have deleted that

43:02

tweet because I think it was

43:04

like before they had this thing because

43:06

the the knots they're trying to tie

43:08

themselves in. Yeah. Rather than just being

43:11

like, yeah, all right, we got

43:13

to fire that guy because he's not

43:15

good. Here's here's what you have to

43:17

remember about this. If they're, you

43:19

know, look at how, look at how

43:22

this has been. For the first Trump

43:24

administration and for this Trump administration so

43:26

far There is never ever any

43:28

accountability whatsoever. There's never and there's always

43:31

gas lighting other people and pushing the

43:33

blame off on someone else. There's never

43:35

a moment where somebody just walks

43:38

up and says, I fucked up, that's

43:40

my fault, I messed up. Walt's should

43:42

have immediately resigned. Hexes should have immediately

43:45

resigned. Hexes should have immediately resigned.

43:47

It said, I messed up, that's my

43:49

fault. I'm gonna go do Fox and

43:51

Friends weekend, made a huge mistake.

43:53

I'm so sorry. I put the lives

43:56

of the troops at risk. These are

43:58

people who I love and I respect.

44:00

You know, think of their, I

44:02

think of, I think of, to be

44:05

such a, welcome breath of fresh air

44:07

of responsibility that this entire scandal would

44:09

have been wiped away. Oh, 100%!

44:11

Completely wiped away. If those two guys

44:14

would have just stepped down and said

44:16

that being fine. But as it

44:18

stands, I mean, it's, Chelsea essentially perjured

44:20

herself. She stood there and said there

44:23

was no... no classified material and then

44:25

the next day they're like yeah

44:27

there is classified material in here what

44:29

are you talking about like of course

44:32

that that's classified of course troop movements

44:34

and jet flying where they're going

44:36

and what time is classified what are

44:38

you crazy right yeah if it's not

44:41

classified you could put it on a

44:43

billboard if they're not classified why

44:45

is it like Go call the Hootheys

44:47

and let them know ahead of time.

44:50

Yeah, you just fucking put it

44:52

on, put it on, right? You put

44:54

it on Reddit ahead of time. Don't,

44:56

the fuck out here. Of course it's

44:59

classified. So she essentially purchased herself

45:01

in this. Radcliffe, nothing will happen because

45:03

of that. Nothing's going to happen because

45:05

of that. And this makes, this makes

45:08

you realize, you know, all the

45:10

people who thought, one, that we were

45:12

going to be doing a lot less

45:14

war stuff. Yeah. What does this tell

45:17

you about this administration? You know,

45:19

all the all the constant talk I

45:21

heard from all the Trump supporters in

45:24

the circles that I see them

45:26

in where I'm sick of these constant

45:28

wars. Well, what are we doing? Like

45:30

if that's the case, what are we

45:33

doing then? Like we're out there

45:35

and like they suggest they're even bailing

45:37

out Europe. Like if that's the case,

45:39

then have somebody else do that if

45:42

that's what you really feel. But

45:44

what they want to do is. What

45:46

Hexeth wanted to do was just show

45:48

people that he could do this.

45:50

Like the reason why any of this

45:53

even happened, I think, is because of

45:55

his hubris and how he was... how

45:57

he wanted to play with a

45:59

new toy he just got. I think

46:02

that's true man. I don't think that's

46:04

true. There's any reason why this guy

46:06

did this and why he included

46:08

all that stuff in there. This was

46:11

clearly all about how hubristic this guy

46:13

is. What I also think, which is

46:15

horrifying, and I'm just kind of

46:17

coming to this conclusion right now, is

46:20

that because nothing will happen, they will

46:22

learn a lesson from this. And

46:24

the lesson that they will learn is

46:26

we can get away with whatever we

46:29

want. learning the same lesson over and

46:31

over again since January, which is,

46:33

let's try this and see if they'll

46:35

stop us. Oh, they won't stop us.

46:38

Yeah. Let's try that and see if

46:40

they'll stop us. Now this is,

46:42

all right, you fucked up. Let's say

46:44

we didn't fuck up. Let's just say

46:47

we didn't fuck up. Let's just say

46:49

we didn't fuck up. Let's see

46:51

if we didn't fuck. There is no

46:53

accountability no matter what we do boys.

46:56

Free fucking rain. Use signal, use

46:58

telegram. Doesn't matter. Do whatever you want.

47:00

Put it on Facebook. Make a Facebook

47:03

group. When, yeah, fuck. When, when, uh,

47:05

when, when, uh, when, when, uh,

47:07

when, when, uh, when, when, uh, when,

47:09

when, uh, when, uh, when, when, uh,

47:12

when, uh, when, when, uh, when, when,

47:14

uh, when, when, uh, when, when,

47:16

when Trump was initially, when Trump was

47:18

initially, That literally says that there's a

47:21

huge that his entire his entire

47:23

administration was cracked wide open and they

47:25

gave a reporter a bird's eye view

47:27

of it and they he nobody told

47:30

him nobody or he's just lying

47:32

what he's lying what he's lying what

47:34

he's lying what here's lying look here's

47:36

a thing look here's a thing if

47:39

he's not if he's not if

47:41

he's not lying which very possible he's

47:43

lying right very because I think what

47:45

Trump does very often I was like

47:48

you know he does that all

47:50

the time where even though the buck

47:52

should stop with him, if he doesn't

47:54

want to answer a question, if

47:56

it's... part of his administration if it's

47:59

a he'll be like I don't know

48:01

how you got to ask them yeah

48:03

let's go talk to somebody else

48:05

I don't know anything about that that's

48:08

not something I know and you're like

48:10

you should know it should be fucking

48:12

embarrassing that you don't know it

48:14

should be a problem it should be

48:17

actually its own scandal that you don't

48:19

know what's going on in your house

48:21

but because he uses that so

48:23

often of fascist dictators that nobody tells

48:26

the Emperor bad news. So if it

48:28

is in fact the case that

48:30

this scandal broke and nobody told him,

48:32

that is yet another really telling and

48:35

damning sign because if like, you know,

48:37

like it's been the case for

48:39

like dictators throughout centuries where it's like

48:42

nobody gives the Emperor bad news. Yeah,

48:44

because if you do a pun on

48:46

his desk. Like that scene from

48:48

downfall. I don't know if you've seen

48:51

that scene a bunch of times. It's

48:53

used as a meme, but it's

48:55

Hitler talking about the battle plans and

48:57

then they're like, Mindura, our battle fucked

49:00

up? And they're like, he's like, all

49:02

right, everybody leave the room except

49:04

for these five people. And then you

49:06

start screaming, he's like, barber. Yeah, and

49:09

he's fucking throwing chips all over the

49:11

place and he's fucking screaming at

49:13

maps and it's like a whole thing.

49:15

It's like a whole meme. It's like

49:18

a whole meme from this movie that

49:20

they constantly change the subtitles in

49:22

it though. Oh, right. So like if

49:24

they trade away like, you know, Lukadonchik

49:27

to the Lakers, it's the Dallas

49:29

Mavericks all sitting around having their conversation

49:31

that the head. And they're like, we

49:33

traded Lukadon took certain, he's like, all

49:36

right, everybody's got a leaf, and

49:38

then he screams, you know, I mean,

49:40

so it's one of the, people just

49:42

use it for their own thing. I

49:45

wanted to say one final piece

49:47

on this. You're absolutely right that nothing's

49:49

going to happen, and this is not

49:51

the problem of the president. This is

49:54

the problem of the Congress, because

49:56

there's a reason why we have three

49:58

branches of government. do checks and balances.

50:00

And this is what's happening with

50:02

this whole scandal is that it's all

50:05

part of the executive branch. Well, what

50:07

should happen in a functioning government is

50:09

that Congress should step in and

50:11

say, we're gonna just do the whole

50:14

thing, we're gonna. call these people out,

50:16

we're going to request all these records,

50:19

we're going to look through it,

50:21

we're going to get a bipartisan committee

50:23

in both Congress and the Senate, we're

50:25

going to do a bunch of

50:27

these hearings, we're going to make people

50:30

come here and testify, and then we're

50:32

going to do some things to make

50:34

sure that they lose their job

50:36

or whatever it is, they'll be the

50:39

one who lays the smackdown. They'll be

50:41

the one who goes out of their

50:43

way to say, this is what

50:45

needs to what needs to happen. absolutely,

50:48

cowardly person in Mike Johnson who would

50:50

never do that and immediately as soon

50:52

as he was asked, passed it

50:54

off as nothing. He's like, oh, it's

50:57

not a big deal. He's like, basically,

50:59

oh, they'll figure it out. It's

51:01

not a big deal. Like, it should

51:03

be his number one job to do

51:06

this sort of thing. That's the thing

51:08

that they are there for. They

51:10

make it seem like they're there to

51:12

just handwave away everything. And it's like,

51:15

no, you're there to hold your side

51:17

accountable your side accountable to your

51:19

side accountable to. Yeah. And they're not

51:21

going to do it. That's because you're

51:24

exactly right. The legislative branch is not

51:26

functional right now. Yeah. They are

51:28

not functioning as that check and balance.

51:30

They're supposed to do that. They have

51:33

seated their responsibility and their power.

51:35

And Mike Johnson, the House majority wimp,

51:37

is doing everything he can to ensure

51:39

that there is no accountability. All

51:46

right, so we'll have a

51:49

full show on Thursday this

51:51

week and the full show

51:53

will be just a bunch

51:55

of stuff that we would

51:57

normally cover on a regular

51:59

show But we wanted to

52:01

do a whole episode on

52:04

this today because it was

52:06

so important We're gonna make

52:08

sure that we covered it

52:10

in its entirety. Check us

52:12

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52:14

Tom read both the articles

52:17

from The Atlantic, and those

52:19

were posted on. Hopefully on

52:21

Friday, we're recording this and

52:23

it's not posted yet, but

52:25

I'm hoping they're Friday or

52:27

Saturday we post those. So

52:30

you'll have, all the patrons

52:32

will have an opportunity to

52:34

listen to those ahead of

52:36

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52:38

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52:40

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52:42

get an opportunity to see

52:45

that, and then on Thursday,

52:47

full show, regular show, just

52:49

regular stuff. And we'll be

52:51

back then, but we're going

52:53

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