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other people find the show. So,

1:30

life and latter, we're in

1:32

that time. The

1:34

in -between times, particularly bad

1:36

because rotation is nigh. And

1:40

Frank and Meadow's gonna be

1:42

pretty nuts this time. Yeah,

1:45

I feel like

1:48

we have gone

1:50

to our, like,

1:53

base natures regardless of performance.

1:57

So I

1:59

am playing the closest thing

2:01

there is to Blood Death Knight,

2:03

which isn't a thing,

2:05

but basically I've been

2:07

working on it trying to figure

2:09

out like, okay, how can we have

2:11

any hope against Zerg? My

2:16

answer because initially I was doing like

2:18

rainbow stuff and then I was

2:20

like this this does not function. I

2:23

need corpse explosion. I need soul stealer

2:25

so It's

2:28

it's a headless horseman deck

2:30

the only spells are

2:32

The six cost one that

2:34

gives you 10 health and

2:36

two five have taunts. Oh airlock

2:38

breach. Yes airlock breach corpse

2:40

explosion thought about threads threads

2:42

is also five mana as

2:45

well as Corpse Explosion. But

2:48

I'm running Magatha, so there's reason

2:50

to not have too many spells. It

2:53

just feels like you kind of need

2:55

the card draw. And Magatha is

2:57

good post -Kill Jayden. So, you

3:00

know, Kill Jayden has to be in

3:02

the ETC because of the deck that Wicked is

3:04

playing. Yeah,

3:07

the the idea is, you know,

3:09

do the outlast things. It is

3:11

it is a bummer not to

3:14

have court site crusher just just

3:16

in there, but pretty good. Control

3:19

tools may need like a

3:21

little more lifesteal, really

3:24

good at destroying protoss rogues

3:26

for sure. And then, yeah,

3:28

I'm just going to keep tinkering with

3:30

it until I feel like it does

3:32

decently against Darren Shaman and Zurich. But.

3:36

Yeah, I have had some

3:38

horrendously long games though. I

3:40

had a 50 -minute game

3:43

that I probably shouldn't have

3:45

played out against a priest

3:47

that was doing the spam Arcanite

3:49

defense crystal copies

3:51

and get them back

3:54

with What's the six cost

3:56

legendary wicked? Oh,

3:58

like not raised

4:00

Rodden not raised the past. Yeah,

4:02

Rodden. Yeah Oh, yeah.

4:04

Yeah. I mean, Rodin, Rest in Peace, Amunthul,

4:08

Spell Stone. Those were all

4:10

there. Yeah. And there were

4:12

like two points where I felt

4:14

like, oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

4:17

One was the first time they

4:19

used the Spell Stone or no,

4:21

sorry, not the Spell Stone. The

4:23

first time I killed

4:25

a Rodin post Amunthul, I

4:28

forgot that they wouldn't just be getting Arcanite

4:30

Defense Crystals that they would be getting. What

4:33

of the copies of Amanthul? Oh

4:36

Yeah, plus all the BS

4:38

that Amanthul generates to

4:40

Right Yeah,

4:42

I mean that that all came

4:44

later that all got played

4:46

later there were multiple turns where my

4:48

opponent just had three Amanthuls because

4:50

I couldn't do anything about it and

4:52

It's not like they're killing me. So

4:55

this game lasted 50

4:57

minutes and I did

5:00

ultimately lose because

5:02

I got frozen out

5:04

by Bob. Yeah. And

5:08

I

5:12

admit, I

5:14

knew they had Bob. I should have thought

5:16

about it, but gosh, what a way to

5:18

lose. But

5:21

he was rooting for you at least.

5:23

So, you know, I yeah,

5:26

yeah. So yeah, I'm

5:28

back on my nonsense

5:30

and. We'll see

5:32

if it gets to a place

5:34

where it is over 50 percent. But

5:36

I am remarkably still hovering around

5:38

the one game. I

5:41

don't know about you, too. I'm

5:44

like it, I don't know,

5:46

twenty two hundred. I dropped a

5:48

bit because I decided I

5:50

was trying to play location Warlock

5:52

and that was working until it

5:54

didn't. And I decided,

5:57

OK, I'm just going to do

5:59

the thing that I should do. and

6:02

plays Zerg Death Knight. And

6:05

I've discovered that I

6:07

am extremely talented at shuffling

6:09

infestors to the bottom of

6:11

my deck. Like

6:14

I had multiple games where

6:16

they were bottom 10, bottom

6:18

12, both of them, despite

6:20

drawing with Nidus Wyrm, just

6:22

they just were shy. And

6:25

I will tell you, there are a few

6:27

things that feel worse than a Zerg DK

6:29

Mirror. where one person

6:31

draws and festers and the other

6:33

one doesn't and that person is you. And.

6:38

It's just like, oh, cool. You're

6:40

you've got a bunch of six

6:42

sixes and I have a bunch of

6:44

limp of limp pool noodles that are

6:46

not actually doing anything.

6:49

And I have not not even brought a

6:51

knife to a gunfight. I brought like

6:53

a plastic like butter knife to a gunfight.

6:57

So. So I

6:59

ended up just kind of

7:01

regressing to

7:03

the mean and I

7:06

would have played control priest if that

7:08

was a thing but Taren Warrior is a

7:10

thing and I

7:12

did very poorly with my first couple games

7:14

and then I found a list that put

7:16

an ETCN that has Kil 'Jaded in it

7:18

because if you don't have a Kil

7:20

'Jaded available to you, you just

7:22

lose the mirror and it's not close. I

7:26

do kind of hate those mirrors because

7:28

they really come down to

7:30

what can I eat with ham

7:32

and what is, what is boom boss

7:34

blow up? It's very

7:36

dependent on can you draw your boom boss?

7:38

Do they blow up your boom boss? Does

7:40

your boom boss get hit things that you

7:42

care about hitting or not? But

7:45

once I hit on a list, I went

7:47

on a tear and I only lost

7:49

like one mirror and my longest game was

7:51

20 minutes. And that was

7:53

against a tempo Taren Shaman. by

7:56

the way, like not even like

7:58

the slow version, like the version with grow

8:00

fins. I don't know why this took

8:02

15 turns for them to concede, but

8:05

it sure did. And,

8:07

and, and, you know, I

8:09

mean, to their credit, they

8:11

kept building boards and

8:13

I was kind of

8:15

struggling to not die

8:17

for the first few turns. And I was kind

8:19

of sitting at like, 19

8:21

life for a lot of it and

8:23

I'm like oh god if they have a

8:26

bloodlust I die and they just never

8:28

found a bloodlust and eventually I just

8:30

kind of found enough things that

8:32

they couldn't work their way through

8:34

But yeah, we had to see

8:36

most of their deck in order to get

8:38

there But so

8:40

I got to climb

8:42

a bit it so the

8:44

thing is that and

8:47

I hear this every time that I try to play

8:49

a control deck, right? Like, oh, why don't you just

8:51

play a tempo deck and you just climb faster? It's

8:53

like, no, I won't,

8:55

because I'll have a streak where

8:57

I'll go like eight and one

9:00

with 20 minute games with the control

9:02

deck, and I'll go 50 -50 with

9:04

the tempo deck. And

9:06

even if the games are longer

9:08

and potentially more exhausting, I'm still winning

9:10

more and then my number is

9:12

going down. So that's all that I

9:14

care about. If the, you know,

9:16

if the games take longer, but the

9:18

number goes down, then it's going to go

9:20

down more if I'm winning more games,

9:23

but just playing less games than

9:25

if I'm playing

9:27

more games, but losing more of

9:29

them. So. So

9:31

I just need to be me and

9:33

stop trying to be a dirty

9:36

acro player and just be a gentleman.

9:38

That was my lesson that I learned from this

9:40

week. Plus

9:42

it's. You're more upbeat about

9:44

it and we enjoy saying that yeah,

9:47

I mean it's it's like

9:49

I Don't like and I

9:51

know that this isn't really the way that it is

9:53

But it feels like when I play a tempo

9:55

deck the when I play a tempo deck poorly Or

9:57

I then I feel like I don't have a

9:59

lot of a lot of agency and it's probably

10:01

because I'm making poor decisions Right, but

10:03

at least like because I feel like oh well I

10:06

just like none of my cards do anything What

10:08

am I even doing playing if I'm playing a control

10:10

deck and I'm losing generally? I know why Like

10:13

I may not have been able to do anything, but at about

10:15

it, but at least I can pinpoint like why did

10:17

I lose what mistakes did I make? Whereas with

10:19

a tempo deck either I don't know what

10:21

I'm doing Which is entirely possible

10:23

or I know what I'm doing and

10:25

it doesn't feel like I had any control over

10:27

it like the dessert deck was a perfect

10:29

example like well I Played that about as well

10:32

as I could with two investors in

10:34

the bottom ten But you know at the

10:36

end of the day if those I I realized

10:38

I just hate the decks that just like rely

10:40

on drawing One car one

10:42

card that there's two copies of without

10:44

a reliable way to tutor it just

10:46

because Yeah, I will say this

10:48

is why my Zerg list

10:50

does not run

10:53

Zerglings like you've got spawning

10:55

pool, but not just

10:57

base Zergling just yeah,

10:59

it's two cards fewer,

11:02

but it's not it's not

11:04

Fixing the problem right like there's still you still have

11:06

to run a lot of Zerg cards and you're still

11:08

gonna miss with Nidus where I'm a fair amount of the

11:10

time Yeah, but

11:12

when you've got a targeted draw like

11:14

that that draws two cards of the

11:16

faction. Yeah. I

11:19

feel like that is

11:21

it is more impactful to

11:23

to make a shift there. Yeah,

11:28

I mean, it's helping it's helping

11:30

the numbers for sure. But

11:32

like, we're still running like two

11:34

baneling barrages, two spawning pools, even if

11:36

you take out the Zerglings, right?

11:38

Then there's still. Two Hive Queens,

11:40

two Infesters, two Nidus Worms,

11:42

two Vipers. That's like

11:44

what, 12 cards? Assuming one of

11:46

them is the Nidus Worm that you're playing, so

11:49

11, and you're only drawing two of

11:51

them, it's still like a coin flip at best.

11:53

I mean, Brood Queen is

11:55

also a house,

11:57

and oftentimes is finding

12:00

Infester. Not when

12:02

I play them, they're not. Over time,

12:05

I always will keep a

12:07

coin, Brood Queen. No, but

12:09

that was the thing, too, is I was doing

12:11

that, and I was playing, well, they're Hive Queens now.

12:13

We'll talk about that later, too. But

12:16

I would do

12:18

that. I'm like, oh, great. I

12:20

got a Zergling out of the

12:22

larva. Fantastic. And every time. I

12:25

would get infestors when I already had

12:27

them. If I didn't have an infestor, never

12:29

rolled them. Maybe once.

12:33

And even when it does roll them, you're not necessarily

12:35

set up to take advantage of it. Like

12:39

because you might you might be waiting for like

12:41

a death growl or a yodel or whatever

12:43

It's like well when it rolls out an investor,

12:45

I'm playing an investor right now regardless of

12:47

whether I can take advantage of it or not

12:49

so Well,

12:52

I think this it's

12:54

Sometimes easier to know why you lost with

12:57

control versus with aggro I think you know

12:59

obviously if you can't find an investor any possible

13:01

way then that's just frustrating But I think this

13:03

actually goes to show why aggro is not just

13:05

play the green card Oh, yeah. You

13:08

know, because there's a lot of,

13:10

you know, and because I play more

13:12

aggro, I think I have a little

13:15

bit of the opposite where I'm

13:17

more likely to kind of know what

13:19

happened with tempo than without. But

13:21

ideally in a tempo deck, most of the cards are

13:23

green. So it's not it's

13:25

not just play one green card. So

13:28

which one do you play for

13:30

the maximum tempo without overextending? Right.

13:33

And that

13:35

can be hard because

13:37

you're still you're still having to anticipate

13:39

what your opponent has but just in a

13:41

different way like the control deck has to

13:43

anticipate like where are my opponent's threats

13:46

do I have ways to answer them

13:48

the proactive deck has to say you know what

13:50

types of answers might they have what types

13:52

of punishes do they have how much can I

13:54

develop what type of development is going to

13:56

be most awkward for them so I will

13:58

say I thought I was being I've

14:01

been doing very well with that

14:03

same priest deck I mentioned last

14:05

time. It's aggro, but really kind

14:07

of more mid -rangey, protest priest

14:10

that isn't just running zealots. It's

14:12

also running mothership. And I

14:14

think maybe this was kind of what the

14:16

mothership deck needed to be, because we

14:18

do have charge with the protest decks, right?

14:20

And we don't have,

14:24

at least right now, we'll see after

14:26

rotation, but priests doesn't have

14:28

the best controlling tools. So

14:32

maybe we just play it more aggro and

14:34

that's like how we have the board. So I've

14:36

been doing really well with that. I have

14:38

like a 65 % win rate over like 50

14:40

games. I'm

14:42

in the 300s.

14:45

Okay. So I've been

14:47

very pleased with that. Then

14:49

I did a coaching on

14:51

this deck yesterday and we

14:54

went like one three or

14:56

one four. So

14:59

just goes to show that this does happen

15:01

sometimes. Now, we did run into a bunch of

15:03

Zerg death knights, which is, I think, our

15:05

worst matchup. It's not unwinnable, but

15:07

basically, if they get their Zerg

15:09

draw, I mean, if

15:11

they get their Infester draw, basically, if you're

15:13

not facing Wicked Good and they get

15:16

their Infester draw, then it's very hard for

15:18

us. If they get a normal draw,

15:20

we have to get a good draw. If

15:22

they get a bad draw, then we're

15:24

OK. But

15:26

in general, the deck works pretty well

15:28

in that I'm almost always going

15:30

to when I play the mother ship,

15:32

which is about turn eight. And

15:35

then my average length with the deck

15:37

is turn eight, turn nine. Occasionally,

15:39

I smorked them down earlier, but just as

15:41

often, I'm waiting for the mother ship to give

15:43

me my win condition. And

15:46

you're trying to spiral the centuries earlier.

15:48

That was the problem that we were having

15:50

in the coaching was that we were

15:52

just not being able to. get

15:54

our centuries going well enough. There's

15:57

definitely a tension there between we want to

15:59

get the centuries out, but we want to

16:01

make sure that we can copy it, if

16:03

possible, instead of just playing it out and

16:05

it dies. So

16:07

you want some tempo, but if you have something

16:09

else to play on two and you have a

16:11

way to copy the century later, maybe do that

16:13

would be my advice for anyone playing this deck.

16:17

I did have one game versus Jombra.

16:19

I had an eight game win streak. I've

16:22

been beating some weapon rogues, like, yeah, I'm beating

16:24

weapon rogues. And then I run into Jon Vray

16:26

on rogue, and I'm like, this is not going

16:29

to be a weapon rogue, is it? There's

16:32

no way would he just play regular weapon

16:34

rogue. I mean, maybe he has, but he

16:36

wasn't this time. He was playing Velarok Starship

16:38

Rogue. And I thought, well, at least that's

16:40

like a little less efficient, but not when

16:42

you're Jon Vray. It's

16:45

very efficient when you're Jon Vray, and he killed me

16:47

in like six, seven turns flat. And

16:50

then did what I believe is a sincere

16:52

well played at the end. So I still

16:54

would have been done for the day though.

16:56

Like it's better you than me because like

16:58

that would just end in my session at

17:00

that point. Even knowing it was John Bray

17:02

like losing a Velarok. You're like, OK, I'm

17:04

out. I'm done. That's enough hardstone for the

17:06

day. It was more

17:08

the charge damage from the Velarok than anything

17:10

else. I think I did manage to defend the

17:12

Velarok. But then

17:14

there was, of course, other stuff. And

17:18

yeah, I mean, in life news, not

17:20

too much. My cat is a

17:23

menace. She was in the litter

17:25

box today. And then I came out

17:27

of the bedroom and she wanted her food and

17:29

she wanted a pet so badly that she like

17:31

ran out of it when she wasn't done yet. Oh,

17:33

God. There's like

17:36

drips along the floor. And then

17:38

today we were like finally ready to record,

17:40

like just sitting down and then she barfs

17:42

in the hallway. And I'm like, really? Now

17:45

and then she had just

17:47

eaten so she was like

17:49

give me more food since

17:51

I barked at my old

17:53

food like no Maybe in

17:55

a little bit. I don't

17:57

want you to just do

17:59

it again So she's probably

18:01

due for the the vet

18:03

checkups soon. Anyway, sounds like

18:05

it somebody is that's for

18:07

sure Please fix my cat

18:09

Well, we have non cat

18:11

barf related news Because

18:15

we got a new expansion

18:17

reveal and expansion reveal accessories.

18:20

So I think we should

18:22

talk about that. Gadgets

18:25

and Gazette always gets the

18:27

scoop. So

18:30

we we did get the announcement

18:32

of Enter the Emerald Dream, which is

18:34

the new expansion. We are going

18:36

to talk about all of the cards

18:38

and the mechanics and everything in

18:40

the explanations. So I

18:43

will. Point out that that

18:45

is happening and stay tuned for that

18:47

but we wanted to cover the rest of

18:49

the news That's not related to that

18:51

so then we can talk about all of

18:53

the expansion News all once we also

18:55

knew that this was coming this week after

18:57

we got the announcement last week. So

18:59

this isn't a surprise But this is something

19:01

that we have been waiting for for

19:03

a while and of course the first set

19:05

of a new year. So there's rotation

19:07

and everything that's always And the most the

19:09

most exciting Expansion

19:11

of the year is when we

19:13

get a new set and we

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get rotation. So a lot of

19:17

stuff is going away Not the

19:19

other ones aren't exciting, but this

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one just you know, it hits

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different so So we are you

19:25

can go and pre pre order

19:27

the bundle in the shop right

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now Once you've updated the client

19:31

There is a mega bundle with

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an $80 which is $80 for

19:35

80 packs ten golden

19:37

packs, one signature Malor and the

19:39

Waywatcher legendary card and one

19:41

golden legendary from the Emerald Dream.

19:44

It is interesting that it's

19:46

a specific signature this time and

19:48

not a random signature. That's

19:50

the first time that they've done that. And

19:53

they're also going to give you four

19:55

tavern tickets, which will be used for

19:57

you can use that for the the

19:59

pre -release tavern brawl, which will be

20:01

coming back as we discussed last week.

20:03

That also comes with. a Ysera card

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back and a Ysera hero portrait. If

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you also can do the regular

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bundle, that's going to be 60

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packs for $60 plus two random

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legendaries from Into the Emerald Dream

20:17

and the Ysera card back. Now,

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there is an

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extra bonus. If

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you are, shall

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we say, a large

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aquatic mammal, and

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you buy both of those

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bundles, the shop will

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You will only see this if you

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you have to wait 24 hours after you buy the

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20:51

the money, it's gonna show it to you the next

20:53

time you go into the shop probably. But there is

20:55

a third bundle that, and thanks

20:57

to, I won't call our,

20:59

the person that just called out by

21:01

name, but they know who they are.

21:03

who found this out for us and

21:06

ridiculous hack confirmed it. So

21:08

this is going to be an

21:10

additional bundle. I'm

21:12

not sure how much. Oh, no,

21:14

it's it's another $60 USD or 6

21:17

,000 rune stones. That's going to have

21:19

a diamond copy of narrow x

21:21

Harold of the flight, one

21:23

random signature legendary card from into

21:25

the Emerald Dream, 10 more

21:27

golden packs and then

21:29

30 regular packs. So.

21:31

um if you

21:33

are inclined to spend

21:35

80 plus 60

21:38

plus 60 is 200

21:40

total then you

21:42

will end up getting

21:44

140 170 regular

21:46

packs 20 golden packs

21:48

uh three random

21:50

legendaries are two random

21:52

regular legendaries one

21:54

golden legendary one random

21:56

signature legendary and

21:58

the uh the legendary

22:01

the signature Malor and the Way Watcher plus the

22:03

Hero Fortress in the card back. So

22:06

basically you'll have the whole set

22:08

for the pre -release brawl. Basically. The

22:10

whole set plus some

22:12

nice, shiny premiums. Yeah. Like,

22:15

basically even if you don't open

22:18

the whole set, you'll have the

22:20

dust to craft the legendaries you're

22:22

missing for sure. Almost certainly. Yeah.

22:24

I mean, look, thinking about

22:26

magic prices and what it takes

22:28

to get the whole set. play,

22:32

you know, enough copies

22:34

of everything. That's still

22:37

not that much, but in Hearthstone terms,

22:39

$200 is a lot. Yeah.

22:41

Yep. I will

22:44

say we had

22:46

Dragonbird, our resident

22:48

Reddit corrector. She

22:50

frequently responds to people

22:52

on Reddit who are incorrect,

22:55

help and help and hat

22:57

out there. And has

22:59

noticed that often people will say like, oh,

23:01

it takes like 300 packs to open an

23:03

entire set. But that would be if you

23:05

got no legendaries from anywhere, but they always

23:07

give you legendaries, even if you're not buying

23:09

the bundles. And if you

23:12

crafted nothing. And if you crafted

23:14

nothing, which a lot of people who are

23:16

the type of people who buy these bundles

23:18

have a lot of dust sitting in their

23:20

account. It's really the people who are

23:22

not buying the bundles in general, who are having

23:24

to watch the dust. And

23:27

almost everyone crafts something. And

23:29

plus you end up accumulating standard packs. You

23:32

know, you end up accumulating class

23:34

packs from buying portraits. Like that

23:36

stuff will all kind of contribute along the

23:38

lines to getting the dust to be able

23:40

to craft the other cards too. Plus we're

23:42

about to rotate. So if you have extras,

23:44

you haven't dusted. That might be a

23:46

good time to do it if, depending on how much you care

23:48

about wild, you might dust some cards. Though

23:50

I will say, and this

23:52

is like. It

23:55

matters, but doesn't matter. For the

23:57

purposes of the tavern brawl specifically,

23:59

which we'll get to, I

24:01

believe it still functions

24:04

that the standard packs will

24:06

not turn over until

24:08

it is out, out. So,

24:11

yeah, at least for playing

24:13

in that, you

24:15

won't be able to

24:18

use those. Unlike

24:21

before where we would say, oh,

24:23

open your standard packs first. If you

24:26

want to do the tavern ball,

24:28

you just can't do that approach, right?

24:30

So I want to circle

24:32

back to the signature

24:35

Malorn. I actually

24:37

really like that they

24:39

are giving everyone this

24:41

one because if there

24:43

are signatures of the

24:46

other of the cards

24:48

it generates, then

24:51

you'll get to see and

24:53

play with the signature versions of

24:55

those cards. And

24:58

that's always nice. I

25:00

used to play with people

25:02

in Philly who would

25:04

specifically craft, you

25:06

know, before opening packs, craft in

25:08

golden, any legendary they wanted that

25:10

would create other things, or really

25:13

any card that would create other

25:15

things, because then you get the

25:17

premium version of those other cards

25:19

as well. Yeah, though

25:21

it is if you're not interested

25:23

in that and I don't know how

25:25

much like how much play that

25:27

legendary is gonna see specifically if you're

25:30

not Kind of feels like a

25:32

little bit of a step backward is

25:34

pros and cons. Yeah, I mean

25:36

in my case It's almost always a

25:38

rogue signature. So it's a worthless

25:40

anyway, but you know But it is

25:42

it is you know something where

25:44

you were you would be able to

25:47

get a random signature that is

25:49

only openable in packs. I don't know.

25:51

I mean, presumably that's the only way you can

25:53

get a signature, Malorn. But it almost it

25:55

feels a little bit different when it's, you know,

25:58

the one that you're getting. I mean, maybe

26:00

for some people, it's a positive. I'm not sure.

26:02

But I mean, to me, I feel like

26:04

my luck with I I feel like I

26:06

would rather know which sig I'm I'm getting

26:08

it. Partly, I think the art for this

26:10

one is cool. And I think, you know,

26:12

and I would guess that

26:14

Malorn will be playable in at least one

26:16

of the six imbu classes, which we'll talk

26:19

about imbu in a minute. But

26:21

yeah, so I mean, it

26:23

allows you to make in some

26:26

ways a more informed decision.

26:28

Like, do you want this particular

26:30

signature or not? Yeah. And

26:32

it's neutral. So

26:34

I mean, even if you don't

26:36

go for imbuing it. You

26:39

can still play it and get,

26:41

like, if the cards it

26:43

generates are that good that even

26:45

without making them reduced in

26:47

cost, know, you

26:50

can still run it. So, yeah,

26:52

I think it's gonna vary

26:54

person to person whether you feel

26:56

like this is better or

26:58

worse. I similarly have not always

27:00

had the greatest luck, such

27:02

as the no -sif for a

27:04

very, very long time. Yeah,

27:06

I think I had great luck

27:08

the first. Not

27:10

the first time we had SIGs,

27:12

but the first time we had

27:14

the full color SIGs. I got

27:17

like a couple, at least one

27:19

priest one and then ever since,

27:21

not so much. So

27:25

but if you do want a free

27:27

legendary, you can log in right now

27:29

and get Ysera Emerald aspect for free

27:31

right now in the client. You probably

27:33

have already seen it. Um,

27:36

but that is available to you

27:38

right now. So that is a

27:40

nine mana or 12 with a started

27:42

game effect increase both players maximum

27:44

amount of by five and battle

27:46

cry gain three mana crystals. Um,

27:49

I have seen so much less

27:51

of this than I anticipated. Same, same.

27:54

I was expecting to see it all the time and

27:56

it really hasn't been as much of a thing as

27:58

I thought it was going to be. I'm like, I'm

28:01

really the only one out here doing this. Okay.

28:06

Well in fairness the one control the

28:08

one control deck I guess shaman's

28:10

kind of a control deck like the

28:12

the slow Terran shaman but the

28:14

one control deck already runs new height

28:16

So it doesn't need to give

28:18

them to their opponent as well And

28:20

I did try it in the

28:22

slower shaman and realized You actually don't

28:24

need that much mana. Yeah, like

28:26

you get to a point where if

28:28

they're not dead you don't need

28:30

15 mana and There is certainly a

28:32

mind game that I think will

28:34

exist in deck building and stuff on

28:36

ladder where it's like, well, do

28:38

I run Isera because of my opponent

28:40

as Isera? I mean, I have

28:42

Isera. Although if you both

28:44

have Isera, it will go up to 20. But

28:47

that's totally irrelevant for

28:49

most unnecessary. I mean, if

28:51

you don't have ramp, then

28:54

you're basically expecting that the

28:56

game is going to go past

28:58

turn 10, right? Because like

29:00

if you're playing is so. The

29:02

three mana crystals are full

29:04

mana crystals to be clear. But

29:07

you're paying nine mana to

29:09

get those three mana crystals. So

29:11

like if you're doing that,

29:13

then the game has already gone

29:15

long if you don't have

29:17

ramp in your deck, meaning if

29:19

you're not warrior or druid. And

29:22

like games go long, but they

29:25

don't go that much longer. Like I

29:27

was looking at my longest games

29:29

and they were like 15, 17 turns.

29:32

But that was it. And that's

29:34

as a warrior, right, which

29:36

is expects to go long. But

29:39

I mean, a lot of them were like

29:41

10, 12 turns. And like, so it doesn't

29:43

really matter if you're not rampant, like

29:45

the 20 turn control

29:48

mirrors, like, OK. But

29:50

even then, by that point, you're not

29:52

able to run the big man of

29:54

stuff because you can't expect that you're

29:56

going to get there like you can

29:58

with Druid and Warrior. So.

30:00

I basically built a

30:02

deck to take advantage

30:04

of this right with

30:06

my headless horseman because

30:08

it's like you're generating

30:11

undead from that hero

30:13

power and then you're

30:15

generating demons from Kil

30:17

'jaeden and so we

30:19

would get to points

30:21

where it's like well

30:23

we both have 15

30:25

mana crystals but I'm

30:27

generating all this value every turn if

30:29

you don't have a similar value generation

30:31

Then you know the warrior is floating

30:33

a bunch of mana Yeah Yeah, that's

30:35

an interesting way to do it and

30:37

at that point it becomes less about

30:39

mana than cards for a lot of

30:42

people But it lets you play all

30:44

those cards that you're generating. I think

30:46

the only other way I could see

30:48

this really being valuable is if You

30:50

only expect it to be active for

30:52

a turn or two, but you have

30:54

something that's a big OTK -ish thing,

30:56

or you have something that costs more

30:58

than 10 mana that you want to

31:00

do on one turn. This

31:03

would allow you to do that

31:05

as theoretically any class. It also is

31:07

better if you combo it with

31:09

Neralax, who we'll talk about, but he

31:11

says your dragons cost one. He's

31:13

seven mana. So you

31:15

play him, then you play Ysera

31:17

for one mana. On eight, got

31:19

three crystals back, you can play

31:21

three more dragons. That

31:23

feels better. Miniaturize

31:26

was whizbang, right? So

31:28

that means scoundrel is staying.

31:31

So yeah, you scoundrel, you

31:33

scoundrel, narylaxis -era, you're cooking. Oh,

31:35

god. Why? Why? This is

31:37

going to be, you know,

31:39

who has, you know, who

31:41

has the value to play

31:43

a bunch of generator, a

31:46

bunch of. Hey, and then you

31:48

can play Sonya. You

31:50

can get copies of all those one -managed dragons. Good

31:54

point. That's right.

31:56

So you can narrowlyx with

31:58

Sonya and play as Sarah

32:00

twice to ramp six. You

32:02

get the mana back Oh,

32:06

yeah. Yeah. Because they're full mana crystals.

32:08

I'm starting to feel like MacGace's

32:10

cat now, like... Yeah, and

32:14

then... You

32:17

play I don't actually know what burgled

32:19

cards are staying around. Does it matter

32:21

at that point really? Just gonna just

32:23

gonna like vomit burgled cards all over

32:25

the game and it doesn't matter. We'll

32:27

get there, but they have a new

32:29

legendary. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah. Anyway,

32:31

but I feel like it's impressive because

32:33

I feel like both of you are

32:35

gonna have equal feelings about it. But

32:37

yeah, we'll get there. Yeah. So you

32:39

can get your Sarah Emerald aspect now,

32:41

although you can't do the narrowaxe thing

32:43

quite yet. Yeah, so that's gonna pop

32:45

the Sarah's gonna pop up when you

32:47

log in or will have the thing

32:49

you could miss if you're not paying

32:52

attention. Is there also have

32:54

added two copies of creature of

32:56

madness that you have to go

32:58

into the shop to claim. It's

33:00

a free claim. Just go

33:02

click on the free button and it'll ask

33:04

you if you're sure if you you're

33:06

sure you want the free thing. and

33:08

then you will have them. And this is

33:10

Two Metal One Two with Battlecry Discover, a three

33:12

cost menu with a dark gift. Dark gift

33:14

is one of the new mechanics from the set.

33:16

They're giving us a chance to experience that

33:19

ahead of time. We'll talk about that when we

33:21

get into explanations, but that's something. Make sure

33:23

to go into the shop and claim that. I'm

33:25

sure they will figure out some other way

33:27

to give it to you if you miss it,

33:29

but let's not take chances and let's just

33:31

do that now. The

33:33

the pre -release tavern brawl and community

33:35

events will be returning for the

33:37

set of the Theory crafting stream will

33:40

be on March 13th mark your

33:42

calendars for that And then there will

33:44

be community days from March 18th

33:46

through 22nd where you can watch streamers

33:48

to You know who will be

33:50

probably stream there'll be streaming the the

33:53

pre -release tavern brawl because that's also

33:55

going to start on the 18th

33:57

So you'll be able to watch them

33:59

playing in the pre -release Tavern Brawl

34:01

most likely, and then you'll be

34:03

able to earn packs through watching. That's

34:06

always a good event to support

34:08

your local Hearthstone streamer. And

34:10

the Tavern Brawl will be running, the pre -release

34:12

Tavern Brawl will be running from March 18th to

34:14

March 25th. They'll have more details about those in

34:16

the coming weeks as they get closer, but mark

34:19

your calendars now. So

34:21

the pre -purchase is there, and then

34:23

that's all the information that they

34:25

had about about that

34:27

for the patch. But

34:30

we have other things in the patch. So

34:33

there is, we did mention the

34:35

in -game event. We mentioned that last

34:37

week. That will be starting on

34:39

March 4th and running through March 25th.

34:41

The Raptor Herald has been revealed. If

34:43

we remember last week, we said that

34:46

it was just kind of a blank

34:48

text box. So it is a three

34:50

metaphor to with battle cry discover a

34:52

beast with a dark gift. So again,

34:54

that's the new set mechanics. That's another

34:56

way to experience the set mechanic in

34:58

standard prior to the new set coming

35:00

out. So

35:02

we also have

35:05

a fairly significant update

35:07

midseason update to

35:09

battlegrounds. So first of

35:11

all, anomalies are

35:14

back. So. There

35:16

are 21 new anomalies, plus some

35:18

returning ones, and some that are

35:20

duos only. So

35:23

they won't appear in every game,

35:25

but they're going to be more

35:27

likely to appear in the first

35:29

two weeks of the patch. And

35:31

the tier seven anomaly has also

35:33

returned with an increased appearance rate.

35:36

There's a list of all the anomalies that you can

35:38

go see in the patch notes. There

35:40

are also three

35:42

new... heroes who are

35:44

Starcraft heroes. We

35:46

have Kerrigan, we

35:49

have Rainer, and we have

35:51

Artanis. And Kerrigan is a

35:53

lot. I actually

35:55

played this last night, and it

35:57

took me a minute to figure

35:59

out what the hell was going

36:01

on. So

36:04

Kerrigan has a hero

36:06

power that starts off as

36:08

Spawning Pool. that says,

36:10

unlock Tier 2 Zerg,

36:12

cost less each turn,

36:14

and passive, start the game

36:16

with a 2 -2 larva. So kind of

36:18

like Curator, you start with a 2 -2 larva

36:20

on the board. And every

36:22

turn, it will mutate

36:25

into a different Zerg. And

36:28

so at first, you only have

36:30

the three Tier 1s, which are

36:32

Zergling, which they all start as

36:34

2 -2, and they can improve

36:36

their stats different ways. So Zergling,

36:38

at start of combat, it summons

36:40

a copy. It's not a permanent

36:42

copy because it started combat, so

36:44

that copy goes away at the

36:46

end of the combat. There's

36:48

Roach, which at the end of your turn, it'll

36:50

gain health equal to your tier. And

36:52

there's Hydralisk. Oh, then the

36:54

Roach has taunts. And then there's Hydralisk,

36:56

who has wind fury, and whenever it attacks,

36:59

permanently gains attack equal to your tier. Then

37:02

you can also pay

37:04

gold, which decreases each

37:06

turn. To upgrade spawning

37:08

pool to evolution chamber and that

37:10

unlocks tier 2 Zerg Which are

37:12

Baneling with which is a 2

37:15

-2 with death rattle deal damage

37:17

equal to this minions attack to

37:19

random enemy minion Mutalisque, which is

37:21

whenever this attacks and kills a

37:23

minion game plus 4 plus 4

37:25

permanently and lurker which has stealth

37:27

and avenge to gain plus 1

37:29

plus 1 permanent Then you can

37:31

also upgrade it a second time

37:33

to ultra list cavern to tier

37:35

3 Where you can get Viper,

37:37

which is venomous and immune while

37:39

attacking. Infestor, which says after you

37:41

play a minion, give you all

37:43

your minions plus one, plus one. And

37:45

Ultralisk, which also damages adjacent

37:48

minion. And at start of combat,

37:50

you double that minion stats. That's

37:53

just Kerrigan. They

37:57

put RTS

37:59

in PGs. That's

38:01

what they did. Yeah. And

38:03

you need to have... Yeah,

38:06

you need to have good APM in

38:08

order to figure out what the hell's

38:10

going on I guess so They also

38:12

Rainer is a little bit simpler. So

38:14

he starts off with a 2 -2

38:16

battle cruiser that adds an upgrade to

38:18

the tavern whenever it's refreshed so The

38:20

upgrades are a special pool of spells

38:22

that upgrade your battle cruiser with additional

38:24

stats and effects They have a range

38:27

of tavern tiers and costs and could

38:29

be bought for the cavern, but don't

38:31

count his tavern spells You can get

38:33

each upgrade as many times as you

38:35

want, except for four that you can

38:37

only get once. And you can

38:39

go look at the library. We're not reading all

38:41

of those out because I'm already tired after reading carrying

38:43

it. Yeah. But yeah. And then

38:45

there's also our Tannis. Our

38:48

Tannis. He has

38:50

he has a hero, a passive hero

38:52

power called Warpgate that says at the start

38:54

of the game, choose from

38:56

two Protoss minions to get after

38:58

you buy 16 cards. So

39:00

you can get a Colossus that whenever it's

39:02

a 6 -12, whenever it attacks, deal 1

39:04

damage to the target's neighbors. That upgrades when

39:06

you spend gold. It has

39:08

a Carrier, which is a 12 -4, the

39:10

Venge Force Summon a 3 -3 Interceptor

39:13

that attacks immediately, then improve this permanently. Immortal,

39:16

which is an 8 -8, start a

39:18

combat game, the stats of adjacent minions.

39:20

Void Ray, 7 -1 Divine Shield, whenever a

39:22

friendly minion attacks, give it, and this

39:24

minion plus 5 attack permanently. and

39:27

Mothership, which is a 6 -8 of Venge

39:29

-5, get a random Protoss Minions, which will

39:31

give any of the other Arcanism. So

39:33

if that is interesting to you, then

39:35

go play that. There are also minion

39:38

pull changes. We're

39:40

not gonna go through that. We've

39:42

already talked about Battlegrounds more

39:44

than we often do on this

39:46

podcast, but that seems significant.

39:48

And also the Starcraft cosmetics on

39:50

the Battlegrounds pass are now

39:52

available for you to claim. Yeah,

39:54

if you have progressed the

39:56

tavern pass or the battlegrounds pass

39:58

far enough to do that

40:00

Those have been locked up until

40:02

this this patch came out.

40:04

So that's battlegrounds. It is pretty

40:06

cool But um, yeah, so

40:08

you can go read into that

40:10

a little bit more if

40:12

you're interested Oh, also, they have

40:14

they made another tweak to

40:17

battlegrounds. This is also important. They've

40:19

tweaked the combat speed so When

40:22

there's going to be a

40:24

very long battle, it'll actually accelerate

40:26

the middle of the combat. So

40:29

it'll start like the attacks will start getting

40:31

faster and faster and go up to like two.

40:33

I don't know if it's actually 2x, but

40:35

something like a 2x. And then

40:37

it'll slow down at the end for

40:39

a dramatic finish, which means that you're

40:41

not at a significant disadvantage if you're

40:43

playing something like beasts where there's a

40:45

lot of death rattles. And

40:47

you're waiting for all the things to resolve every turn,

40:50

and then you're ending up with like 45 seconds

40:52

when everybody else has a minute and a half in

40:54

the later game. And it

40:56

also is more interesting to watch when

40:58

it goes faster, speaking as someone who

41:00

listens to audiobooks on one and a

41:02

half. So. Yeah,

41:06

so that's so that's something to

41:09

look out for if you're playing

41:11

Battlegrounds. There's also an arena rotation

41:13

because there's a new major patch.

41:16

So the arena pool be adjusted to the

41:18

following sets make up the card pool festival

41:20

of legends titan show show down in the

41:22

badlands with bangs workshop perils in paradise great

41:24

dark beyond and where we're probe raptor harold

41:26

and creature of madness so where we're probe

41:28

is the card that was added to arena

41:30

for the last set raptor harold and creature

41:32

of madness or the two dark gift cards

41:34

you'll be able to get a taste of

41:36

that arena. This is just standard

41:38

arena by the way that's what those

41:40

sets are so. You can go

41:42

draft standard arena. There

41:45

are a number of bug fixes

41:47

and gave improvements. We are not gonna

41:49

cover all of them, but the

41:51

significant ones. One major

41:53

thing to be aware of

41:55

is that they have updated

41:57

the recommended device specs for

41:59

mobile. So if you

42:02

are playing on a mobile device

42:04

with four gig of RAM or

42:06

less, you are advised to turn

42:08

off the high quality mode in

42:10

settings downloads, which will disable all

42:12

voice lines, including those from Huruscans. That's

42:17

something, you know, the game

42:19

just gets bigger, it has to keep more in memory. This

42:22

is going to be older phones for the most part

42:24

that are going to have four gigs or less of RAM,

42:26

but just something to be aware if you're seeing performance

42:28

issues, that's something you can try. It's

42:30

going to be a little bit less of

42:32

an experience, but then just play music in

42:34

the background and turn the sound off and,

42:36

you know, play that way. Most

42:41

of the people who Play on

42:43

mobile, don't hear the sounds anyway, unless

42:45

you're blister guy, I guess. So

42:47

they fixed the bug where multiple carriers

42:49

effects could trigger at the same

42:51

time, resulting in the second one not

42:53

summoning all their interceptors, even if

42:55

the first one's interceptors are functionally dead.

42:57

So you will get as many interceptors as

43:00

you are entitled to if you have

43:02

more than one, more than one carrier

43:04

on board. This sounds like a priest problem.

43:06

This is something that actually came up in my

43:08

priest coaching and it did win us the

43:10

game that we won. When

43:12

they had a big board, they were also a

43:15

DK. We said, as long

43:17

as one of these eight interceptors

43:19

goes face, then we

43:21

win. And there were less than eight. That

43:24

like six one went base or

43:26

something. The other ones had died to

43:28

make room for it because they only have one house, so they

43:30

hit something else. They die. They

43:35

also fixed a bug were

43:37

summoning Red Nari Scout. with

43:40

a discover effect like eternal servitude,

43:42

would it result in scout immediately

43:44

getting a copy of itself? Which

43:47

sounds like a bank error in

43:49

your favor for sure. And

43:54

they changed the brew queen to hive

43:56

queen to better match the lore. I

43:58

am not gonna read this whole Reddit

44:00

screenshot that we have in the show

44:02

notes, but you can go look at

44:05

our show notes. There's a post from

44:07

Reddit that explains. Why

44:09

there are a lot of names you

44:11

could choose for that one, but

44:13

brew Queen ain't it and they landed

44:15

on hive Queen to replace it

44:17

which is closer to the lore though

44:19

hive Queen is also not a

44:21

name that exists in Starcraft, but apparently

44:24

there's a different unit in Starcraft

44:26

called the brew Queen That is nothing

44:28

like what we have in and

44:30

it doesn't lay eggs or anything So

44:32

that's something that you can go

44:34

peruse, but we you know if we

44:36

if nothing we need to be

44:38

historically accurate with representation. So

44:40

there are also, as we get

44:42

with any new patch, there are

44:45

known issues. There are the new

44:47

pixel art style signature Starcraft cards

44:49

that we'll get to when we

44:51

talk to shop updates. Don't

44:53

glow green when playable. So do pay

44:55

attention to your active mana and don't you

44:57

mean if you bought those, you want

44:59

to be keeping an eye and those may

45:01

be playable even if they don't look

45:03

like it. And that should

45:05

be fixed with the expansion patch.

45:07

Yes. The

45:09

tavern brawl is currently Battle

45:12

of the Bands, and it currently

45:14

only allows cars from Darkmoon

45:16

Fair. So

45:18

if you want to do a

45:20

pre -release brawl with Darkmoon Fair, now's

45:22

your time. But this will be fixed

45:25

in a hot fix before this

45:27

brawl ends. So by the time you're

45:29

listening to this, it may already

45:31

be fixed. So it supposed

45:33

to be? I think it's

45:35

just supposed to be anything. But it's

45:37

only allowing cards from that one expansion. That's

45:40

very different. I

45:43

was confused.

45:47

Like, I don't usually go in for brawls,

45:49

but I, you know, was

45:51

going to get rid of the

45:53

notification thing and checked in and I

45:55

was like, oh, this actually seems

45:57

interesting. And I go look at the

45:59

card library and I'm like, well,

46:01

yes, excuse me. And landed on, I

46:03

guess, Rush Warrior where it's like. Apparently

46:06

the meta thing, the meta

46:08

thing is to do the

46:10

corrupt draw rush card, crab

46:12

rider and the 1 -3

46:14

warrior rush thing that gives

46:17

you two riders on a

46:19

death rattle. Oh, here for

46:21

a good time, not for a long

46:23

time. I don't remember what the card

46:25

is, but I remember the waistline. That

46:27

one. And then the fourth card is

46:29

a parade something. Oh,

46:31

the one that gives plus

46:33

attack. Yeah, rushers.

46:35

Yeah. Parade leader. So.

46:39

And then I went one deeper and it was like,

46:41

hey, if people are going to

46:43

be drawing with this one cost, you know,

46:45

corrupt thing that draws a rush minion, I'll

46:48

just put ETC, the

46:51

who was the UDL two damage whenever you

46:53

attack with a rush minion to their face.

46:55

Oh, that ETC. Yeah. Rock God or

46:57

whatever. Yeah. And. No one

46:59

else has that because it's

47:01

a legendary from Darkmoon Fair. And

47:04

I win in

47:07

fatigue because I just

47:09

have four actual

47:11

things instead of a

47:13

thing that replaces

47:16

itself card wise. So

47:18

what would consistently happen is they

47:20

would ban the ETC because they're

47:22

like, well, I don't have that.

47:24

It must be good. It must

47:26

be scary. And then. I have

47:28

parade leader crab rider and the

47:30

here for a good time thing.

47:33

And they have, you know, no

47:35

parade leader if I'm able to

47:37

ban that. Otherwise,

47:40

no crab rider. Yeah. And

47:42

and then it I don't know

47:44

if there was literally nothing

47:46

else to play. But

47:50

I I auto won

47:52

those mirrors didn't fatigue. I

47:54

mean, I have to try that.

47:57

They would figure it out. and leave.

47:59

Well, it does sound like something

48:01

got corrupted with that tavern brawl, for

48:03

sure. I actually

48:05

own that card because I

48:07

played Rush Warrior back

48:09

around that time. So,

48:11

yeah. So also

48:13

Ysera Emerald aspect, which is the

48:16

new card that we just got

48:18

gifted with the new expansion, with

48:20

the new patch, takes damage from

48:22

Ysera Awakens, and it should not

48:24

because its name is Ysera. So,

48:28

you know, be aware of that,

48:30

I suppose. If you're doing, if

48:32

you're double Yisera -ing, then be

48:34

careful with that. And also, we'll

48:36

get to possibility of why later. And

48:40

there's the new, we'll get to this

48:42

in shop updates as well, but the

48:44

new gray, again, gray main, the diamond

48:46

hero skin makes your hero unable to

48:48

be targeted or grabbed for an emote

48:50

or attack for a period of time

48:52

during its transformation animation. So they'll fix

48:54

that as well. But speaking of shop

48:56

updates. So yeah, we do have these

48:58

pixel art really pretty. And when I

49:00

say pixel art, I don't mean 8

49:03

-bit. Like these are

49:05

not 8 -bit pixel art. This is

49:07

like the more of like King's

49:09

Quest 6 style pixel art where

49:11

it's like a whole like not

49:13

tapestry. I'm trying to think of

49:15

what the like mosaic type of

49:17

thing, but really intricate

49:19

pixel art. So

49:21

there's a set of three

49:23

of them, SCV, Void Ray,

49:25

and Zergling. This is 2 ,500

49:27

runestones or $25 USD for

49:29

two copies of each That's

49:31

probably the that's that's one

49:33

of the it's not one

49:35

of the first times that

49:38

we've gotten non legendary signatures,

49:40

but that's kind of on

49:42

par with the Starship pieces

49:44

but much prettier and Starship

49:46

pieces and more generally useful

49:48

because they go across multiple

49:50

classes, so There is a

49:53

Diamond copy of talgath if you've

49:55

forgotten what talgath is It's the

49:57

rogue legendary. That's a three mana

49:59

three three that says undamaged enemy

50:01

minions take double damage and combo

50:03

get a backstab if you are

50:05

Jay Alexander, I suppose or someone

50:07

a roguig joyer on that level

50:09

Maybe you will be interested in

50:11

that otherwise, you know, I've seen

50:13

this played when it's generated from

50:15

and fool. I don't know when

50:17

else I've really seen that. But

50:19

maybe after rotation, it'll be a

50:22

little bit more, a

50:24

little bit more popular. But

50:27

in other news and more

50:29

interesting news, you can just

50:31

buy two Great Dark Beyond

50:33

legendaries for $8 USD, which

50:35

is a pretty decent deal if you

50:37

need some legendaries from the set, because you're

50:40

probably going to pay at least that

50:42

much opening packs trying to hit those legendaries

50:44

if it's like roughly one every 20

50:46

packs. So if you just want

50:48

to get two legendaries that you don't already

50:50

have because there's going to still going to be

50:52

duplicate protection applied. Hey,

50:54

go spend eight bucks. You can get

50:56

two legendaries. You can also, for the first

50:58

time, buy signature cards with gold. You

51:01

can buy a random Parals in Paradise

51:03

signature legendary or a random Wis Bank

51:05

signature legendary for 5 ,000 gold in

51:07

the shop. So if you have a

51:09

lot of gold to sink and you've

51:12

already set on packs for the next

51:14

expansion, you can go. try

51:16

to get a signature that you want. But

51:18

it is a cool way to actually use your goal

51:20

for something like that, which is nice. If

51:23

you would prefer to buy signatures,

51:25

but spend real dollars for them

51:28

or runestones, I guess are not

51:30

real dollars, but they're Disney dollars

51:32

for Blizzard, I guess. Blisney dollars.

51:34

They're Blisney dollars. I did it.

51:36

We did it. It only

51:38

took a year. I'm disappointed it took

51:40

me this long. Nobody

51:43

knows what Disney dollars are either because I'm

51:45

the only one old enough to remember this.

51:47

But anyway, so you can get a golden

51:49

signature Great Dark Beyond bundle with two signature

51:52

cards from Great Dark Beyond, two random signature

51:54

cards from Great Dark Beyond and five golden

51:56

Great Dark Beyond packs for 5 ,000 Rune

51:58

Stones or $50 USD. You

52:00

can also get a regular, a

52:03

pack with seven regular packs

52:05

and one signature for 2

52:07

,500 Rune Stones or $25

52:09

USD, which is a better

52:11

price than we've seen on

52:14

random signatures. So. We'll

52:16

take that. Any improvement there

52:18

is good. The aforementioned

52:20

Gengremen bundle, that's a warrior

52:22

diamond portrait that transforms

52:25

from a human into a

52:27

organ, as Gengremen does,

52:29

because he is a organ.

52:32

That's 2 ,500 runestones or $25

52:34

USD that comes with the portrait.

52:37

Three, I believe these are golden warrior

52:39

packs. I'm not sure. And

52:42

two, golden standard packs. It's

52:45

plus 20 % value because you can always just go

52:47

into the collection and buy it for $25 by itself,

52:49

but it comes with the tax. Also,

52:52

but wait, there's more. You

52:56

can get a, if you're

52:58

just interested in regular bundles, you can

53:00

get a Vanessa Van Cleef Rogue Portrait

53:02

with card back and five Rogue Portraits

53:05

for $1 ,500 or $15 USD. It's

53:07

so good. New best rogue

53:09

skin. If it wasn't Rogue, I

53:11

would be tempted. It's

53:13

real good and you can also

53:15

get a Scourge lore god -free bundle

53:17

for warlock for a thousand Rune stones

53:20

or ten dollars USD that those

53:22

both come with the five class packs

53:24

as well There is a return

53:26

to the Badlands bundle with Ed the

53:28

bandit ended Edwin van Cleef and

53:30

the Erano with finger guns I don't

53:32

remember what the name of it

53:34

is, but it's got finger guns. You'll

53:36

know it when you see it That's

53:39

2 ,000 Rune Stones or $20

53:41

USD for just the two

53:43

portraits. And then with gold,

53:45

you can buy the original N 'zoth, which

53:48

is excellent and very good for testing out

53:50

the bass on your speakers. For

53:52

$1 ,500 gold or $10, which

53:54

comes with a, that comes

53:56

with a card back. You

53:58

can get Queen Azshara for Mage,

54:01

the original Queen Azshara for $1 ,500

54:03

gold or $10 also with a card

54:05

back. And you can also get

54:07

Sanguine Sylvanus. or I

54:09

believe that should be a thousand

54:11

gold or seven dollars USD, which

54:14

is a very good hunter portrait as

54:16

well. So that is

54:18

one of my favorites, if not

54:20

my favorite hunter portrait. So I

54:22

missed the original and is also

54:24

I will probably get that. The

54:27

base on it is the base on the

54:29

voices. Fantastic. And

54:31

that's that's everything. Oh, wait, we have

54:33

a new expansion to talk about. So

54:35

why don't we do that? All

54:52

right, so the new expansion, as we know, is

54:54

Into the Emerald Dream. And

54:56

so far, we've gotten kind

54:58

of a strange smattering of cards

55:01

revealed. They should, after

55:03

this week, I believe, go into more of

55:05

a normal cadence of neutrals and then

55:07

class by class. But this week

55:09

has been a little bit of everything. So there

55:11

might be some cards that we end up having

55:13

to circle back to a little bit later once

55:15

we have more. context for

55:17

them. We are recording this

55:19

on Thursday, February 20th, but we

55:21

will talk about cards revealed on the

55:23

21st as well. And of course,

55:25

we're doing this off air until those

55:28

cards are revealed. So

55:30

it'll be everything from the

55:32

first week of reveals. We

55:34

wanted to start with just what

55:36

the mechanics are for the expansion.

55:38

So we have kind of two

55:40

new keywords. One

55:43

is MBU. Mbue

55:45

is really only available for six classes,

55:47

Druid, Hunter, Mage, Paladin, Priest, and Shaman.

55:49

There are some neutral Mbue cards, but

55:51

if you're not one of those classes,

55:53

then playing them literally does nothing. Kind

55:55

of like if you weren't a Galakrond

55:58

class and you tried to invoke, you

56:00

didn't really do anything. So

56:03

what imbue does, if you are one of

56:05

those six classes, the first time you play

56:07

a card with the imbue keyword, you get

56:09

a class -specific hero power. And every subsequent

56:11

time you play a card with the imbue

56:13

keyword, all the numbers in your hero power

56:15

upgrade. And if you're not one

56:18

of those classes, then it does nothing. One

56:20

thing to note, someone pointed this out in the

56:22

Discord, so I confirmed with hat. First,

56:25

get the new imbue hero power. Just

56:27

like whenever you get a new hero power,

56:29

it refreshes your hero power. But when

56:31

you upgrade it later, it will not refresh

56:34

it. It's just upgraded. It's not new. So

56:36

that was something I got

56:38

clarification on. So far,

56:41

we only know two hero powers because they'll

56:43

reveal the other ones when they give

56:45

the rest of the class cards for them.

56:48

So Hunter. The

56:50

imbue hero power is give a random

56:52

beast in your hand plus one attack,

56:54

it costs one less. So then

56:56

the next time you imbue, it'll be give the beast

56:58

plus two attack and it costs two less. And

57:01

then the next time plus three attack and

57:03

costs three less, et cetera. And

57:06

shamans says transform a friendly minion

57:08

into a random one that costs one

57:10

more. And when you upgrade it,

57:12

it'll cost two more, costs three more,

57:14

et cetera. There's

57:16

no like, theoretical limit to those.

57:18

You just, you know, however

57:20

many imbue cards you can get

57:22

and play. So

57:25

we'll definitely have the most

57:27

information about Hunter here so

57:29

far. We'll talk a little

57:31

bit about Hunter. But

57:34

first, I just wanted to preview

57:36

kind of what the other new keyword

57:38

is, which is dark gift. Before

57:41

we do that just one other

57:43

thing to point out it will

57:45

replace any hero power you have

57:47

so like if you go X

57:49

arc Niall It's going to replace

57:51

that so do be aware of

57:54

that in deck building again, it's

57:56

Probably not that big of a

57:58

deal. I mean we're already running

58:00

Niall with with those are here

58:02

with with Karrigan and like you

58:04

kind of get a sense of

58:06

when you want to do what

58:08

but Impew is going to be

58:10

not just one card, right? So if you're

58:13

doing Nile things, you may not want to do

58:15

imbue things in the same deck. You do

58:17

want to be aware of that, particularly with the...

58:19

There's going to be a little bit of

58:21

a non -bow with the imbue classes and the

58:23

Starcraft cards is what I'm trying to say. And

58:26

probably by design. Yeah.

58:29

But just be aware of that, that if

58:31

you do imbue and then you play your

58:33

Starcraft hero or whatever, and then you imbue

58:35

again, you're going to blow away that hero

58:37

power. So yeah, so yeah, you would be

58:39

in the situation where you can't play any

58:41

of your new cards if you wanted to

58:44

keep the old hero power. And yeah, I'm

58:46

not actually positive whether it resets. I would

58:48

assume. Yeah, I don't know. Actually, no. Yeah, we

58:51

will find that out for you listener. You probably don't want

58:53

to build your deck in a way that you find out.

58:55

That's that's kind of what I'm saying. Yeah,

58:58

I would agree with that.

59:00

And those the imbu is for

59:02

again druid hunter mage paladin

59:04

priest and shaman. So the the

59:06

lore thing here is that

59:08

these are the classes that are

59:10

helping Ysera and the sort

59:12

of good druids of the emerald

59:14

dream fight off the corruption.

59:16

We have the you know the

59:18

beautiful emerald dream that you

59:20

know grants magic to the elves

59:22

if I remember my lore

59:24

correctly, but it's being corrupted by

59:27

Xavius the demon. So

59:29

And five classes have been

59:31

corrupted slash were already corrupted

59:33

because, you know, Warlock, Death

59:35

Knight. So those

59:37

classes have cards

59:39

that synergize with Dark

59:42

Gift, although Dark Gifts

59:44

can be used by any class, like the neutral

59:46

Dark Gift cards can be used by any class. So

59:49

the Dark Gift classes, though, that

59:51

synergize with it are Death Knight, Demon

59:53

Hunter, Rogue, Warlock, and Warrior. And

59:56

dark gifts are a pool of

59:58

10 effects that are added to certain

1:00:00

minion discover options. So if you

1:00:02

have a card that says discover a

1:00:04

minion and give it a dark

1:00:07

gift, then when you discover each minion

1:00:09

option in that UI has a

1:00:11

dark gift attached to it, unlike the

1:00:13

banner below it. And it's

1:00:15

not like you discover them separately. On

1:00:17

the discover options, there's a random dark gift

1:00:20

already applied to that minion. And it does

1:00:22

make sure not to apply something that like

1:00:25

Really really doesn't work like one

1:00:27

of them says This minions battle

1:00:29

cries trigger twice and that is

1:00:31

only on minions with battle cries

1:00:33

because otherwise that would be very

1:00:35

pointless So there the 10 effects

1:00:37

had they are Charge That these

1:00:39

are all things that are granted

1:00:42

to the minions so the minion

1:00:44

could have charge or plus four

1:00:46

plus five place this card on

1:00:48

top of your deck or

1:00:50

costs two less, but has minus two attack,

1:00:53

which is only offered on minions who have

1:00:55

three or more attack normally. Or

1:00:58

when you play this minion, summon a 2

1:01:00

-2 copy of it. This

1:01:02

minion's battle cries trigger twice, only offered

1:01:04

on minions with battle cries. Plus

1:01:07

two, plus two, an elusive. Plus

1:01:09

three attack and lifesteal. Plus

1:01:12

four health and taunt. Reborn,

1:01:15

and that minion with reborn is

1:01:17

reborn with full health and enchantments.

1:01:19

Just kind of interesting. And

1:01:22

Divine Shield plus Wind Fury

1:01:24

on the same one. So

1:01:26

we have a list of that

1:01:28

in our images only in the Discord,

1:01:31

or you can find them on the pre -release

1:01:33

brawl, because it'll be hard to remember all

1:01:35

of them until we've had a lot of

1:01:37

time playing with them. But again, you can

1:01:39

play with them now with those two minions

1:01:41

that you can claim in the shop, as

1:01:43

well as once we get the Raptors with

1:01:45

the Raptor event that will also have them.

1:01:48

I tried it out a little bit. Figured

1:01:51

easy enough to just

1:01:53

throw it in Terran Shaman.

1:01:56

And it can

1:01:58

be pretty nutty. Like

1:02:02

in case of the one we already

1:02:04

have access to. Two -minute one -two obviously not

1:02:06

very good. But like one

1:02:08

time I got... So

1:02:10

it's discovered a three -drop

1:02:12

and the three -drop had

1:02:14

the plus... plus four, put

1:02:17

it on top of

1:02:19

your deck or something. And

1:02:21

I basically had a three

1:02:23

minute seven seven. It was

1:02:25

it was pretty silly. And

1:02:29

like one of the ones that they have

1:02:31

as an example is treacherous tormentor, which is

1:02:33

which is a neutral format of five four

1:02:35

demon battle cry, discover a legendary minion with

1:02:37

a dark gift. Yeah,

1:02:40

that's kind of gross, especially because discover is

1:02:42

going to be limited to your class. There

1:02:45

are to be some classes where this is

1:02:47

considerably better than others. Well,

1:02:51

and there's going to be. Some

1:02:54

legendaries where if you

1:02:56

hit illusive or something, it's

1:02:58

just charged wild. Yeah.

1:03:02

Like what like that warrior one that

1:03:04

after attacks, you get to attack

1:03:06

again. If you give that charge or.

1:03:09

Yeah, I mean, I think we're

1:03:11

going to. get to Goldrin

1:03:13

for Hunter later, but giving Goldrin

1:03:15

charge that that now that's

1:03:17

a good time. It'll be

1:03:19

a little bit harder because that's not a

1:03:21

dark gift class. You're having to run the neutrals.

1:03:23

You could. You'd have to. You could still

1:03:25

run treasures to our mentor in any deck, but

1:03:27

you're not going to be getting whatever dark

1:03:29

gift synergies we're going to be getting as opposed

1:03:31

to the actual dark gift classes. Do

1:03:34

you need dark gift synergies?

1:03:36

I don't know. It seems

1:03:38

just good. I

1:03:41

mean, it's still random, right? So, like, you're

1:03:43

going to low roll. And, like, I don't know

1:03:45

how often on average you're going to low

1:03:47

roll. Yeah,

1:03:49

but, like, sometimes

1:03:51

the low roll is, oh,

1:03:53

no, I picked the one that has divine

1:03:55

shield and wind fury. Like,

1:03:59

my impression was that

1:04:01

sometimes I got

1:04:03

a bad minion pool,

1:04:06

but, like, even

1:04:08

the worst pick was not. that

1:04:10

bad. And sometimes you

1:04:12

can get totally like game

1:04:14

breaking things. So. So,

1:04:16

yeah, I mean, anything that has

1:04:18

enough time and, you know, even

1:04:21

fast decks, you know, can still

1:04:23

sometimes spare two mana to get

1:04:25

something that's, you know, a lot

1:04:27

of these add quite a bit

1:04:29

of stats on. And

1:04:31

the ones that add stats like

1:04:34

are better on a cheaper minion,

1:04:36

unless, you know, you're looking for

1:04:38

get something big elusive for example

1:04:40

but like a cheap thing with

1:04:42

plus four health and taunt could

1:04:44

be really good in certain circumstances.

1:04:46

Oh god there's going to be

1:04:49

a trolling clip probably on day

1:04:51

one where someone discovers a copy

1:04:53

a version of sonia with some

1:04:55

in the a tutu copy of

1:04:57

it. I

1:05:04

mean, my brain at this point has been

1:05:06

so broken that I just go to what's

1:05:08

the worst possible thing that Rogue can do

1:05:10

to piss me off and then figure that

1:05:12

that's plausible and that's plausible. That's the thing

1:05:14

that can happen. Enjoy. Or

1:05:16

they have a Sonya and then they

1:05:18

do the discover a legendary with the

1:05:20

dark gift and they get a Sonya

1:05:22

that costs two less. Oh,

1:05:25

no, but she doesn't cost three anymore. Yeah,

1:05:27

she costs four. Thank God. Thank

1:05:29

God. Okay. Phew, we're safe. fixed

1:05:31

it. Yeah, the meta is not ruined. But

1:05:37

yeah, so it is a little bit

1:05:39

uneven in that like the non imbue

1:05:41

classes really can't use imbue at all

1:05:43

and imbue classes can use dark gifts.

1:05:45

But on the other hand, the dark

1:05:47

gifts seem so powerful that if you

1:05:50

also add synergies, then like that might

1:05:52

just totally make up for it. There's

1:05:56

also a couple themes that are not keywords. So

1:05:59

one of the legendaries for

1:06:01

each class will be a wild

1:06:03

God or like a corrupted

1:06:05

wild God, depending on which side

1:06:07

of the class divide. This

1:06:10

is not like a mechanic. It's

1:06:12

not like Titans or Colossals or

1:06:14

something. It doesn't have a particular, you

1:06:16

know, they all have their own

1:06:19

mechanic. The ones we've

1:06:21

seen We've seen a couple so far

1:06:23

that were nine mana. I don't know if that's going

1:06:25

to apply to other ones though. Well,

1:06:27

Malorn's eight mana, right? And

1:06:29

that's true. And that one's neutral.

1:06:32

So it mostly matters because

1:06:34

at least so far there's

1:06:37

a card called Malorn the

1:06:39

Waywatcher that allows you to

1:06:41

discover a wild god. So

1:06:43

it will be out of that

1:06:45

pool. There might be other

1:06:47

cards that mention wild gods. But

1:06:49

they don't have like a specific mechanic.

1:06:52

And lastly, there is going to be

1:06:54

a choose one card for everyone,

1:06:56

which is kind of fun. Not

1:06:59

just Druid this time. I

1:07:02

suppose it's like Druids of the Emerald Dream. We have

1:07:04

to give everybody a little bit of Druid, you know?

1:07:07

They were all Druids. Including,

1:07:12

as we mentioned, when talking about

1:07:14

Ysera, they gave everyone a little ramp.

1:07:16

I give everyone a little choose,

1:07:18

choose one, although Sarah is not actually

1:07:20

ramping you. She's just increasing your

1:07:22

max until you play her. But.

1:07:27

Yeah, I suppose we can start by we

1:07:29

were talking some about dark gifts so

1:07:31

we can talk about some of the cards

1:07:33

we've seen that mention. Dark

1:07:35

gift. Yeah,

1:07:37

I think we meant you

1:07:39

mentioned treacherous tormentor. Yeah. Yeah,

1:07:44

which is a God. Yeah,

1:07:46

Treacherous Tormentor discovers the legendary and right

1:07:48

and the other that was that was

1:07:50

in the reveal along with Dark Rider

1:07:52

Which is a 1 -1 demon a

1:07:54

one -man a 1 -1 demon for warrior

1:07:56

that says battle cry if you're holding

1:07:59

a dragon discover a dragon a dark

1:08:01

gift so dragons are also kind of

1:08:03

a Theme there's a lot of dragons

1:08:05

to the set. It's a Ysera set.

1:08:07

There's a lot of dragons So, you

1:08:09

know Zerimi enjoyers rejoice. Um,

1:08:11

but yeah, there's gonna be a

1:08:13

bunch. Yeah Yeah, there

1:08:15

are lots of dragons and not just for priests. Yeah.

1:08:19

So Dark Riders, that's something. So if

1:08:21

you're holding a dragon, you get

1:08:23

a dark gift. And then

1:08:25

there is, yeah, then there's

1:08:27

the legendary, which

1:08:29

is, yeah. Nightmare

1:08:32

Lord Xavius. Is it Xavius or

1:08:34

Exavius? I don't know. I don't

1:08:36

know World of Warcraft. I'm sorry. Just don't call

1:08:38

me for dinner. I'm

1:08:40

going to call him Xavius. We're just going to go with that. He's

1:08:44

an until we get another rap from

1:08:46

Leo giving all the ways to pronounce. you

1:08:48

just aiding him at this point? Are

1:08:50

you just like trying to get him to

1:08:52

follow it up? OK. He baited us

1:08:54

with the ink. Actually, on the other hand,

1:08:56

though, he'll probably do it with like

1:08:58

incorrect pronunciations just to get us to say

1:09:00

it wrong on the show. Just to

1:09:02

get me to say it wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:04

Yeah. So just us specifically, he'll send

1:09:06

it only to us. Yeah, probably. So

1:09:10

Nightmare Lord Xavius is a four

1:09:13

mana, four four demon legendary neutral.

1:09:16

Battlecry discover a minion from your

1:09:18

deck. Give it a dark gift.

1:09:20

Again, Sonya. You

1:09:27

don't control the dark gifts, but presumably

1:09:29

you put all the minions in your deck

1:09:31

for a reason. So you're not, you

1:09:33

know, you're going to get good minions. Well,

1:09:35

and if you have

1:09:38

not a ton. of

1:09:40

minions, but like,

1:09:42

you know, very specific ones that

1:09:44

would be really good to hit. Yeah.

1:09:47

Well, I have to see whether this is

1:09:49

just like, yeah, throw it in there and it's

1:09:51

good on anything. Or if it's like, well,

1:09:53

I have this more curated pool, all

1:09:55

of which, you know, have multiple

1:09:57

dark gifts that could be really, really

1:09:59

good on them. But

1:10:01

this one is a

1:10:04

little spooky. I

1:10:06

mean, it, you know, it is a legendary

1:10:08

itself, right? So. Yeah, I

1:10:10

mean on on the

1:10:12

bright side. This is technically

1:10:14

priest card draw I'm

1:10:16

honestly that would be flavor

1:10:18

wise so like priest

1:10:20

is on the good side

1:10:23

this time We've got

1:10:25

dragons. We're fighting for but

1:10:27

we also just have

1:10:29

Xavius in the deck would

1:10:31

would track Secret evil.

1:10:33

Yeah, we're in rehab, but

1:10:35

you know, it's not

1:10:38

taking So

1:10:44

that's kind of what we have

1:10:46

mostly with the dark gift. I

1:10:48

will call out we have one

1:10:50

neutral that's revealed at the same

1:10:52

time as Xavius. Three mana, two,

1:10:54

four demon, bloodthistle illusionist, battlecry

1:10:56

summon a copy of this. One

1:10:58

secretly dies when it takes damage.

1:11:01

That seems like it might be something that

1:11:03

is good with multiple dark gifts. It'll

1:11:05

summon two copies if you get

1:11:08

the Battlecry thing, or both of

1:11:10

the copies will have increased stats.

1:11:13

Or Divine Shield. That seems pretty good

1:11:15

for something like that. You're

1:11:18

basically reverb, but

1:11:20

it's just hitting this

1:11:22

minion. What was

1:11:24

the rogue mage legendary

1:11:26

from Skolamance? The

1:11:29

Five Drop that summoned... You

1:11:31

discovered two minions and one of

1:11:33

them would die. Jandis Barov. Yeah, yeah,

1:11:35

yeah. So. Yeah,

1:11:38

it's kind of a smaller Jandis

1:11:40

Barov if there ends up being

1:11:42

some way to hand buff demons.

1:11:45

I mean, we're just hand buff in

1:11:47

general, right? We're just hand buff in

1:11:49

general. We still have all of the

1:11:51

Grunter Hunter stuff, right? That's all staying.

1:11:53

We still have Cup of Muscle. We

1:11:56

still have Reserved Spot. All

1:11:59

the the other things that we're

1:12:01

using to like buff minions in our

1:12:03

hand. So that's all there So

1:12:05

you could make two big ones and

1:12:07

you know, then they still do

1:12:09

the same amount of attack if they

1:12:11

don't die Yeah, and of course

1:12:13

anything that copies itself, you know, one

1:12:15

of them dies when it takes

1:12:17

damage, but they don't know which one

1:12:19

so yeah God forbid we get

1:12:21

something that gives things spell damage again

1:12:26

I mean, I guess if

1:12:29

you shudder block this, just

1:12:31

how many of them die when they

1:12:33

take damage? I assume

1:12:36

all the one

1:12:38

or just one. I

1:12:40

think all but one. I think

1:12:42

you're summoning, I guess I don't

1:12:44

know. My inclination would

1:12:46

be that only one of

1:12:49

them would be considered the

1:12:51

original. I

1:12:53

would too, but I wouldn't be, well, I mean,

1:12:55

that also might be the way that it's intended

1:12:57

and we'll see how it actually factored. It actually

1:12:59

behaves when it gets into the client, because I

1:13:01

don't know if they've tested that specific scenario or

1:13:03

not, but maybe they will be after, I know

1:13:05

that some folks on the dev team listened, so

1:13:07

they might, if they haven't tested it, they might

1:13:10

be testing it right now, but, or we'll be testing it

1:13:12

in the tavern brawl, one or the other. I

1:13:15

guess there's a world

1:13:17

where it resolves all

1:13:19

of the, Summon

1:13:21

a copy of

1:13:24

this, but then

1:13:26

each time it,

1:13:28

it says what,

1:13:31

it might be variable. Yeah, it might,

1:13:33

if there's like three coin flips, right? Then

1:13:35

you could end up that they all

1:13:37

land on the original one that's spawning

1:13:40

the copy. Yeah,

1:13:42

I honestly, I have

1:13:44

no idea. There's like arguments all

1:13:46

of the ways, but I wouldn't

1:13:48

be surprised if it's sort of

1:13:50

like it then, activates all of

1:13:52

the, you know, choose one that

1:13:54

dies secretly. And

1:13:57

if there's any

1:13:59

overlap, right, then you

1:14:01

sort of win out on

1:14:03

having an extra full bodied copy

1:14:05

because the same minion got

1:14:07

two of the die secretly tags.

1:14:10

Yeah. It's

1:14:12

probably not worth doing. So

1:14:15

yeah, there's

1:14:17

probably just I

1:14:19

mean, it might come up if you

1:14:22

have the battle cries trigger twice dark

1:14:24

gift on it. We're probably not shutter

1:14:26

blocking this. Sure. Yeah, that

1:14:28

seems right. I mean, I'm being silly,

1:14:30

but, you know, like, there

1:14:32

there are people who will,

1:14:34

you know, do the science

1:14:36

on those sorts of things. I

1:14:38

think it's also worth mentioning that

1:14:41

we saw we're going we're seeing

1:14:43

the first like dark gift synergy

1:14:45

card in overgrown horror. Which

1:14:47

is a five mana minion for warlock to

1:14:49

five out of four six with taunt with

1:14:51

battlecry reduce the cost of minions in your

1:14:54

hand with dark gifts by two so You

1:14:56

may not need this it need this energy,

1:14:58

but you sure would like it if you're

1:15:00

going in on dark gifts I don't know

1:15:02

if we're really going in on dark gifts

1:15:04

or if we're just You know playing them,

1:15:06

but I guess if you're playing enough of

1:15:08

them, then you may as well play something

1:15:10

like this It's also a reasonable taunt on

1:15:12

on its own. I mean five mana four

1:15:14

six is a little undercosted but not I've

1:15:17

that much. If

1:15:19

you have a curated minion pool,

1:15:21

maybe you care and you're

1:15:23

in Warlock. You play like

1:15:25

Davius on four and this on five. Maybe

1:15:27

you care less about like which dark gift you

1:15:29

gave your payoff legendary and care more about

1:15:31

the fact that it's cheaper. Yeah. We

1:15:34

don't know exactly what Warlock's getting so far. But

1:15:36

that might be a possibility. Well,

1:15:40

maybe let's talk about in view and

1:15:42

then we'll come back to some random cards

1:15:44

into dragons here. So. Some

1:15:46

of the cards that we

1:15:48

have with imbue and we are

1:15:50

kind of like shifting around

1:15:52

between different things that we're looking

1:15:54

at Okay So we have

1:15:56

a few neutrals here That imbue

1:15:58

so for example this card

1:16:00

just seems anyone who's imbuing I

1:16:02

feel like we're probably playing

1:16:04

this Flutter Wing Guardian 4 mana

1:16:06

4 -4 with taunt and divine

1:16:08

shield battle cry imbue your

1:16:10

hero power like

1:16:12

taunt and divine shield. Yeah,

1:16:15

it's not Like

1:16:17

who bad stats wise enough that

1:16:19

you would consider cutting it the way

1:16:21

that like, you know some of

1:16:23

the excavate cards were others other things,

1:16:25

but also it just doesn't it

1:16:28

literally does nothing Immediately by itself, right?

1:16:30

Like you have to have an

1:16:32

additional manner to be able to Take

1:16:34

advantage of it. Well, but it

1:16:36

has taunt and divine shield. I mean,

1:16:38

that's why they have the font

1:16:40

on the right side like the actual

1:16:43

like the imbu key word it

1:16:45

it's Future value, but

1:16:47

it doesn't do any it doesn't affect

1:16:49

the board immediately It doesn't do anything

1:16:51

immediately other than just upgrade the hero

1:16:53

power But then you still need to

1:16:55

pay for the hero power to get

1:16:57

any value out of it Well, that's

1:16:59

why I compared to excavate right excavation

1:17:01

do anything immediate because you extra value

1:17:03

right in which case bitter bloom night

1:17:05

is an upgrade from cobalt minor This

1:17:09

is a two mana two

1:17:11

three common but says battle cry

1:17:13

imbue your hero power So

1:17:15

instead of a two mana one

1:17:17

one you get a two

1:17:19

mana two three. So, okay. Yeah

1:17:21

There is and then of

1:17:23

course for all the imbue classes.

1:17:26

There are going to be

1:17:28

class specific Minions so hunter has

1:17:30

um umbra claw four mana

1:17:32

five two beast rush death rattle

1:17:34

imbue your hero power and

1:17:36

Shaman has living garden which

1:17:38

is an elemental three mana, two, three

1:17:40

battle cry, imbue your hero power and

1:17:42

reduce the cost of a minion in

1:17:44

your hand by one. So

1:17:46

it is understated. Yeah. Yeah,

1:17:50

but the reduced by one. to be

1:17:52

doing things that you want to be

1:17:54

doing anyway, right? So. Yeah. So,

1:17:56

and we'll see, we'll talk about

1:17:58

there's kind of a beast theme in

1:18:00

Hunter, because we've

1:18:02

seen the Wild God

1:18:04

legendary for Hunter. which

1:18:07

is Gouldron. Gouldron

1:18:10

is a nine -man and

1:18:12

nine -nine beast with rush friendly

1:18:14

beast deal double damage. And

1:18:17

notably, we do know that the hero

1:18:19

power for Hunter can make beasts cheaper and

1:18:21

give them more attack. So

1:18:24

Gouldron will not necessarily be nine.

1:18:27

Spooky. Yeah, if

1:18:29

you dart gift into

1:18:32

a charged Gouldron. That

1:18:36

that feels like it could easily get

1:18:38

to 30 damage. Well, I mean, you don't

1:18:40

even have to do that, right? You

1:18:42

just make you just play the card that

1:18:44

gives you the animal companions and you

1:18:46

just like play Hoffer, right? Sure. Sure. Sure.

1:18:48

Sure. But like, yeah,

1:18:52

I so it's a what a random minion

1:18:54

in your hand gets bonus attack and

1:18:56

reduced cost. Is that random beast, random

1:18:58

beast, random beast. Sure. I

1:19:00

mean, better. Yeah. Yeah,

1:19:04

yeah now we don't have

1:19:06

ABJ anymore So that's good,

1:19:08

but that is good. I

1:19:11

I'm not sure it matters

1:19:13

We still we still can

1:19:15

tour into warrior so we

1:19:17

still have copper muscle and

1:19:19

we still have we still

1:19:22

have reserved spot Yeah like

1:19:24

I Don't know But I

1:19:26

feel like with the cost

1:19:28

reduction you just will eventually

1:19:30

have a cheap enough gold

1:19:33

ring that, yeah, if you

1:19:35

can make, you'll

1:19:37

just double your Huffer. And

1:19:39

it could just go

1:19:42

as like a bloodlust -ish

1:19:44

type thing, right? You'll stick

1:19:46

a board at some

1:19:48

point, right? Yeah, you've got

1:19:50

Mountain Baron Core, right? Like,

1:19:54

you'll just have beasts in play

1:19:56

and then they'll be dead. Yeah,

1:19:59

and notably, yeah, this doesn't, it's not

1:20:01

just like obese that you play, like any

1:20:03

token that's on anything that happens to

1:20:05

be on the board that connects while this

1:20:07

is alive. So

1:20:09

and this can kill a taunt in the

1:20:11

way quite easily. If

1:20:13

there is one. Also,

1:20:17

the egg, the whizbing egg, mystery

1:20:20

egg is still going to be

1:20:22

in standard. Yeah, sure is.

1:20:25

We won't have yelling Yodeler, but

1:20:27

mystery could give us a cheap

1:20:29

gold ring. Before we even use our

1:20:31

hero power on it. Or

1:20:34

mountain. Very true. And.

1:20:37

Do we know if it multiplies?

1:20:40

Because that's important. That

1:20:42

is important. I actually. It

1:20:45

doesn't say deal twice as much. Right.

1:20:48

That makes rotating. True.

1:20:50

But if you're just re -agging, right,

1:20:52

if you're re -agging, because a

1:20:55

copy, right? Yeah. OK. Yeah. Yeah.

1:20:57

Yeah. So. feel like

1:20:59

it's saying double and not

1:21:01

twice but but you know

1:21:03

the way furnace of wrath

1:21:05

works in magic is double

1:21:07

means it keeps doubling yeah

1:21:09

what did um what did

1:21:12

the lifesteal thing from what

1:21:14

the hell was the name

1:21:16

of it the one that

1:21:18

was doing like you know

1:21:20

OTK demon hunter yeah was

1:21:22

it Ilgenoth yeah well Ilgenoth

1:21:24

was You know, your life

1:21:26

steal your life steal me

1:21:28

hero. Yeah. Because

1:21:31

I want to see how that

1:21:33

was written. Oh, no, arg. Yeah, more

1:21:35

of artificer was the doubling thing.

1:21:37

Yeah. That was the neutral, right? So,

1:21:40

um, like

1:21:42

dip spells that hit minions,

1:21:44

deal double damage or something. Yeah.

1:21:48

More. Where

1:21:50

the hell is it? Someone asked

1:21:52

this this afternoon and wasn't

1:21:54

sure. said,

1:21:57

you know, someone asked multiple gold

1:21:59

and stack, right? It just says

1:22:02

double hat said, haven't tested would

1:22:04

make sense. But he wasn't. Yeah,

1:22:06

that isn't like word from God.

1:22:08

He he's not sure. So

1:22:10

more artificer did say all minions take

1:22:12

double damage from spells. And

1:22:15

that don't say we're in

1:22:17

business. Yeah, that did duplicate now.

1:22:20

It depends on how it's implemented

1:22:22

reading the card doesn't always explain

1:22:24

the card But yeah, um, but

1:22:26

yeah, I think if we use

1:22:29

something like Mohawk Artificer as the

1:22:31

Example of how things double when

1:22:33

we're talking about damage, then yes,

1:22:35

if we have multiple gold rings

1:22:37

I would expect that is probably

1:22:39

gonna be 4x. Sidisi is somewhere

1:22:41

having a party as we speak

1:22:44

our first pass at D Spaghettification Yeah,

1:22:48

so like trying to figure out how

1:22:51

stuff works. There is a precedent. So

1:22:53

theoretically. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1:22:56

We're like, you know,

1:22:58

lawyers or something. Well, according

1:23:00

to the precedent. Yeah.

1:23:03

I mean, it's just Hearthstone

1:23:05

rules are so all over the

1:23:07

place sometimes that you don't

1:23:09

always know how something works. But

1:23:11

if there is a precedent

1:23:13

with the same wording. Okay,

1:23:15

Rangari Scout gives you copies of

1:23:17

things that you discover. Yeah,

1:23:20

it sure does. Mm

1:23:23

-hmm. Mm -hmm. Although, they

1:23:25

cost nine. They cost nine,

1:23:27

and that's not already discounted, so Mystery Eye

1:23:29

is really the way to go if you

1:23:31

can hit it. Yeah, and

1:23:33

now you're imbuing, so,

1:23:35

you know, that does

1:23:38

come with mana reduction. It's

1:23:40

probably it's just as

1:23:42

well that the imbue conflicts

1:23:45

with the discoverer here

1:23:47

a power. Yes Yeah Dorian,

1:23:49

I don't know how

1:23:51

we tutor this Now it

1:23:54

may still be worth

1:23:56

running scout just for like

1:23:58

tracking and the discoverer

1:24:00

a beast that costs five

1:24:03

or more Right the

1:24:05

detailed notes, like maybe you do that to

1:24:07

try and hit Gouldron or Mountain Bear or

1:24:09

whatever. Yeah, I

1:24:11

see a Mystery Egg Gouldron

1:24:13

deck in the future. You

1:24:16

know, discovering a beast also lets

1:24:18

you run fewer beasts, so

1:24:20

that you have more targeted draw. I

1:24:23

will also point out there's a

1:24:25

7 mana beast from Wisping, Toyranosaurus Rex

1:24:27

that does 7 damage on its

1:24:29

deathrattle. And I believe that would also

1:24:31

increase is bang. Oh,

1:24:33

man. Yeah. Oh,

1:24:37

yeah. This

1:24:39

is going to be honestly, it's

1:24:41

a kind of hunter deck I like

1:24:44

that that. You

1:24:46

know, not quite the

1:24:48

Katrina. Was that

1:24:50

her name? Not

1:24:53

not Katrina. Katarina.

1:24:55

Yeah. Katrina was Katrina

1:24:57

Muarte. Yeah. Yeah. There

1:24:59

was there was a big

1:25:01

hunter deck when we had

1:25:03

RexR with cube and stuff.

1:25:05

And we have a cube.

1:25:07

We have Kraken. Is Kraken

1:25:10

staying? I don't remember if

1:25:12

that's rotating or not. Kraken.

1:25:15

Let's find out. This

1:25:17

is also kind of ironic because hunter means

1:25:19

are famously known for their math skills. Kraken

1:25:24

is not staying. OK.

1:25:27

But. Cubicles

1:25:30

cubicles cubicles because that

1:25:32

was perils. Yeah Yeah, so

1:25:34

But cubicles you don't

1:25:36

need math if you're doing

1:25:39

quadruple It just is

1:25:41

enough you do sometimes even

1:25:43

you needed math with

1:25:45

the with the demon hunter

1:25:48

occasionally Like I I

1:25:50

had I remember printing out

1:25:52

those infographics of like how to

1:25:54

how the math worked because

1:25:56

like when you have to kill

1:25:58

somebody from 30 you need

1:26:00

to be able to do a

1:26:02

little bit more like the

1:26:04

basic risk This is different like

1:26:06

you'll run ability to get

1:26:08

Huffer, but I Think you'll also

1:26:10

just have like mountain bear

1:26:12

and it's like oh you let

1:26:15

five cubs stick that all

1:26:17

deal two damage and Now

1:26:19

they all deal 8 damage. Yeah.

1:26:21

I guess just start playing Bellatro

1:26:23

to train yourself, I suppose. Just

1:26:27

add up the board and then

1:26:29

times 4. Times 2 or times

1:26:31

4. Times 8 if you

1:26:33

somehow really get 3 of them. I

1:26:36

suppose you could like Mystery Egg on 4

1:26:38

and if they don't kill it, you Cubicle on

1:26:40

5. Yeah. Yes.

1:26:43

Yes. Then you get another one and you

1:26:45

have the mini. Yeah. So

1:26:50

there are options.

1:26:55

I am excited to see what the

1:26:57

rest of the hunter set looks like.

1:26:59

Because I've liked bigger hunters before, even

1:27:01

though you would think I like all

1:27:03

the really token ones. And I do.

1:27:05

I also like the big hunters. They're

1:27:07

mid -range. Oh,

1:27:09

she said the head weren't. I

1:27:11

think this is the second time I've said it

1:27:13

in the same episode. But

1:27:15

we also have Some other

1:27:18

other things going on. I suppose we

1:27:20

can talk about a couple of

1:27:22

these in neutrals. We talked about Ysera

1:27:24

We haven't talked about the neutral

1:27:26

legendary spells shall a drossel. Oh, yeah,

1:27:28

that's how you pronounce it. Yeah,

1:27:30

yeah, let's give that one ten minutes.

1:27:33

I'm not actually I don't think

1:27:35

it's that bad, but Yeah, Shaladrassil is

1:27:37

I believe the only corrupt card

1:27:39

in this set could be wrong, but

1:27:41

I mean, definitely the only corrupt

1:27:43

the only card that actually it doesn't

1:27:46

have the corrupt keyword because that's

1:27:48

a dark moon fair thing, but it

1:27:50

right definitely says corrupt and when

1:27:52

you it gets corrupted when you when

1:27:54

you It works hard that it's

1:27:56

it's it's doing corrupt cards without the

1:27:58

corrupt keyword. Yeah. Yeah, this is

1:28:01

this is what they do and they're

1:28:03

like guys, it's not back We

1:28:05

just wanted to do the thing one

1:28:07

time. You know, they've done this

1:28:09

with what was it echo and Twins,

1:28:12

they've done it with Twinspell? I

1:28:14

feel, yeah, they've done it with

1:28:16

stuff. Well, I mean, the drinks

1:28:18

are effectively Twinspells, right? Yeah. I

1:28:21

mean, that's seven mana, nature spell,

1:28:23

neutral, so anyone can run it,

1:28:25

and, and Druid can discover it,

1:28:27

make it cost two less. That'll

1:28:29

be, that's gonna happen. Get

1:28:32

all five dream cards. If

1:28:34

you've played a higher cost card while

1:28:37

holding this, Corrupt them.

1:28:39

So you have to play

1:28:41

an 8 cost card. So

1:28:43

this is a druid card

1:28:45

in addition to being a

1:28:47

neutral card but Yeah, the

1:28:50

You know the originals The

1:28:52

originals are just the original

1:28:54

the original you Sarah dream

1:28:56

cards. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and

1:28:58

the corrupted ones are more.

1:29:02

They're gross. I

1:29:04

think they're the same cost. They're

1:29:07

the same cost, which

1:29:09

is wild. But

1:29:11

instead of laughing sister, who's

1:29:13

a two -metre, three -five elusive,

1:29:16

you get a two -metre,

1:29:18

six -ten elusive. Oh yeah, and

1:29:20

your hero is elusive just

1:29:22

for that extra spice. Corrupted

1:29:27

awakening. This is

1:29:29

the source of probably that bug with

1:29:31

Isera. deal five damage

1:29:33

to all enemies, especially Isera. So

1:29:35

if they have an Isera in

1:29:37

play, I don't know if that

1:29:39

means she takes ten damage or

1:29:41

four. I believe that's what it

1:29:43

means. And also, by the way,

1:29:45

enemies, not minions. Yeah,

1:29:47

yeah. So because Isera's awakening hit the

1:29:50

entire board except for Isera. This

1:29:52

only hits your opponent's board. And

1:29:54

their face. And their face. You

1:29:57

know. The original is air awakens

1:29:59

used to hit both players faces

1:30:01

and then they they made it

1:30:04

You know different once there was

1:30:06

a thing that automatically gave you

1:30:08

everything they were like, okay, this

1:30:10

isn't gonna hit face anymore Yeah,

1:30:12

but this one hits face again,

1:30:14

and it only hits your opponent

1:30:17

not yet Corrupted Drake the difference

1:30:19

is more stark on the minions

1:30:21

still for mana dragon 1412 You

1:30:25

heard of format a 7 7

1:30:27

I've heard of format of 14 12

1:30:29

I mean you have to you

1:30:31

gotta do steps right you got to

1:30:33

play an 8 cost and then

1:30:35

a 7 cost spell that doesn't do

1:30:37

anything the turn you play it

1:30:39

so You're doing a lot of work

1:30:41

here in fairness my 15 15s

1:30:44

cost zero So, you know format seems

1:30:46

like it's a bit expensive But

1:30:48

you know what you know what it's

1:30:50

okay that You are

1:30:52

playing a seven minute spell that

1:30:54

doesn't do anything because you get a

1:30:56

corrupted dream. Zero mana, shuffle

1:30:58

a minion into its owner's deck so

1:31:00

you're no longer bouncing it, you're shuffling it.

1:31:03

Solid. And then

1:31:05

corrupted nightmare, zero

1:31:07

cost. Give a minion

1:31:10

plus five plus five and immune

1:31:12

this turn. And also it

1:31:14

doesn't die after the turn, unlike

1:31:16

regular nightmare. Or this

1:31:18

turn when it... into something because

1:31:20

it can't be killed. Yeah.

1:31:23

So I do feel that

1:31:25

the difference is most stark

1:31:27

on the minions, still, because,

1:31:29

you know, there's not stats

1:31:32

to double on the spells. But

1:31:35

the spells are definitely upgraded. Laughing

1:31:37

Sister is just absurd to

1:31:39

me, that they were just like,

1:31:41

you know what? I

1:31:43

know it's huge. And

1:31:46

elusive what if we just made

1:31:48

it give the hero elusive to

1:31:50

what it what if just yeah,

1:31:52

that sounds like someone that's laughing

1:31:54

at you that That's what that

1:31:57

is ironically. It's probably gonna be

1:31:59

easier to remove that at the

1:32:01

point in the game where you're

1:32:03

playing it than normal because like

1:32:05

all the big board clears are

1:32:07

gonna be online at that point

1:32:10

so That's not the issue wicked

1:32:12

the issue with this card is

1:32:15

You play it against the deck that

1:32:17

is now in the burn your

1:32:19

face off stage of play. Yeah, they

1:32:21

can't do it. They just can't

1:32:23

do it. I

1:32:26

mean, so if you're playing, you

1:32:28

know, you play an eight cost.

1:32:30

So you're usually playing this on

1:32:33

nine mana if you've corrupted

1:32:35

it, right? And so then you

1:32:37

get two zero cost, right?

1:32:39

You get both. You

1:32:41

can shuffle a minion into the owner's deck. So

1:32:43

if you're being. Face with anything,

1:32:45

never mind. You can give

1:32:47

your own minion plus five plus

1:32:49

five an immune this turn and

1:32:51

you get to pick either corrupted

1:32:54

laughing sister or corrupted awakening on

1:32:56

that turn. Now, I will temper

1:32:58

this a little bit as someone

1:33:00

who spent way more time that

1:33:02

he really ought to have trying

1:33:04

to make corrupt priest work, right?

1:33:07

This is still extremely slow. First of

1:33:09

all, keep in mind, you need

1:33:11

to have five open slots in your

1:33:13

hand for this, which can

1:33:16

be an issue when you are

1:33:18

playing cards that cost eight and

1:33:20

nine mana, right? So

1:33:22

do be aware of that. And

1:33:24

then you do need to be able

1:33:26

to play that and then play

1:33:28

this. So this is going to require

1:33:30

some setup. It is not the

1:33:32

kind of thing that is easy to

1:33:34

do. And usually you're not running

1:33:36

a ton of cards that cost more

1:33:38

than seven in your deck. So

1:33:40

you need to have this in your

1:33:43

hand and have a card that

1:33:45

costs eight, nine or 10 or 12,

1:33:47

I guess, if you're still playing

1:33:49

Starcraft stuff, and then play the other

1:33:51

card before this one. There

1:33:53

are more steps than it looks

1:33:55

like. This looks bananas. It

1:33:58

is not going to happen. It will happen.

1:34:00

It's not going to happen as often as

1:34:02

you might think it will. And there are

1:34:04

going to be times when you're sitting here and

1:34:06

it's like, well, I guess I need to

1:34:08

play this for the for the boring versions

1:34:10

because otherwise I'm gonna die. Yeah,

1:34:12

I think it partly

1:34:14

will like if we get

1:34:16

any sort of big

1:34:19

spells synergy then obviously that

1:34:21

would go really well

1:34:23

with this. For

1:34:25

your consideration, as

1:34:28

always Druid coming in

1:34:30

with sleep under the stars,

1:34:32

nerfed to eight mana. So

1:34:36

you can corrupt

1:34:39

this and then refresh

1:34:41

three mana crystals

1:34:43

refresh three mana crystals

1:34:45

refresh three mana

1:34:47

crystals You can play

1:34:50

Dungar first I

1:34:52

suppose no no Dungar's

1:34:54

Not right. No.

1:34:56

No. What did we

1:34:58

just get Dungar? Oh

1:35:01

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Dungar

1:35:03

is not gone. Let's see. Oh

1:35:06

The good targets are gone, right? There's

1:35:08

no more Titan. Zileaks

1:35:11

is still there. We've

1:35:13

got wild gods in this expansion. Stop.

1:35:18

No, they totally,

1:35:20

they totally, they totally will

1:35:22

run it. You're right. Yeah. Why

1:35:25

not? It's a legendary spell

1:35:27

that gives them more stuff. So Dungar

1:35:29

will be worse in a force set