Introducing Unsolved Histories

Introducing Unsolved Histories

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Hey, it's Dave Cauley. Dropping in just to

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let you know about a new podcast by

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the KSL Podcasts team. It's called

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Unsolved Histories. Season

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1 is about a plane crash over the Gulf of

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Alaska during the Cold War. An airliner

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carrying more than a hundred people took to

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the skies near Seattle, moving military personnel and

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their families to their new assignments in Anchorage.

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They were at about 14,000 feet, when

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one of the pilots radioed air traffic control to

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ask for an altitude change. And that

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was the last thing anyone ever heard from Flight

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293. Here's

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a short clip from Episode 1. I

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happened to kind of just be sitting

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there alone and everybody was else getting

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ready for dinner or else doing other

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things. And so I sat in this

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large room in front of

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the television and it was

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about 5 o'clock, 4.35 o'clock,

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and they had a special bulletin interruption.

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News alert. This is

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Dick Singer speaking for the entire TV7 News Stad.

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Greg Berylman is in his sixties. He was

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just eight years old one afternoon back in

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1963 when

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he found himself sitting in front of the television

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by himself. Cartoons were over

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and the evening news was on

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from Seattle station KIRO or Cairo.

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Well what they did at the time,

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they posted the passengers, their names and

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where they were from right

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there. I was like,

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oh, that's interesting. Interesting, you know,

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plane crash, Alaska. And

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I'm telling you, this is God's truth.

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I read the passenger list and I

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missed the first part of it in

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alphabetical order. So I

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sat there and you know, I couldn't

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believe it, but I saw my brother

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Bruce's name. Bruce

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Berylman, Greg's older brother, was only 17. That

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morning, Bruce had boarded a D. BC 7C

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airliner near Seattle, Northwest Airlines flight

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293 to

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Anchorage, Alaska. And

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now a few hours later, Greg

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had to tell his parents what he had just seen

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on TV. And my

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parents were arguing, they had all sorts

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of issues but at that time I

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went into the kitchen. I said, hey,

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you know, you gotta

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look at the TV, something's going on here. Then

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they coo-cooed it for a little bit. I

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said, yeah, come on, this is for real.

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It was for real. Bruce's plane

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was missing. So that

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was the start. And what I think they

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did is once they saw the same thing

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I did, immediately they called Cairo or

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whomever somebody to reach out to. Cause who are

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you gonna call something like that happens but the

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media. So then I

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remember we all huddled around and waited

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and kept on watching it repeat updates

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and all that till we got a

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call back. I think about

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seven o'clock, six, seven o'clock, a

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couple hours later, anyhow. And

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they said, it's for real. Reports

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were sketchy that night as Greg and

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his parents and his three other siblings

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waited for details about what had happened.

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And obviously my parents were so concerned about, obviously

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there's gotta be survivors planes and stuff

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just crash and people won't die necessarily.

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If it was a big plane like

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that, it could float and all the

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old things. And it

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was dynamic. Details

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never came. The Barrowman

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family and the families of everyone else onboard

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the plane would never learn

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anything substantive about the tragedy that

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took the life of Bruce Barrowman

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and 100 others, sons, fathers, brothers,

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daughters, mothers

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and sisters. For six

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decades, Greg Barrowman has been. searching for answers

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about what happened to his brother and

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about what happened to flight 293. At

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times it's been a struggle to cope and to

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make sense of things in the wake of a

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tragedy that became an enduring mystery. 60 years

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on the Barymans aren't the only ones

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still suffering. The family members

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and friends who were left behind have never learned

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what really happened to the plane or

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about what led to the death of their loved ones. As

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Greg Baryman grew up, missing his big

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brother became a search for answers and

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a quest for closure. What

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began as a personal mission became so much

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more. I'd say we're trying to visit the

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past in order to gain

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perspective on our lives currently

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and then for myself being in

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the fourth quarter of life now to

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know that the people that I

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that we may affect in

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this broadcast or our communication

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would give people hope for the future

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and some resolve. With

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help from Greg and from others who lost

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loved ones on flight 293 and

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by consulting with aviation experts to review

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the old documents and with amateur sleuths

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to comb through the archives, we

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reexamine the investigation and joined in the

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search for answers and

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in the quest for closure. From

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KSL podcasts I'm Felix Benil. This

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is Unsolved Histories. What happened to

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flight 293? Episode 1 Brothers. I

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was intrigued by that first story because I had never heard of

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flight 293 and I thought I knew my Pacific

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Northwest aviation history pretty well.

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I work for radio station KIRO

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in Seattle where I produce history

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stories about things like old army

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forts, forgotten shipwrecks, abandoned driving

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theaters, and lost in federal treasures.

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But I also do a lot

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of stories about transportation disasters. Bridges

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collapsing, trolleys jumping the tracks, and

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again and again airplane crashes. My

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interest in plane crashes is not a ghoulish thing,

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it's the exact opposite. It's about

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life and survival and how traumatic experiences

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shape our feelings about what we value

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most in the short time we have on

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earth. I visited

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crash sites and I tracked down and

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spoken with amazing resilient people who survived

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or witnessed some of the worst air

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crashes in the Pacific Northwest of the

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past 75 years. Like

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the man who survived the crash

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of a jetliner north of Seattle

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in 1959. I don't know if

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you've ever known you're gonna

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die but somehow you

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get a euphoric feeling.

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You know, don't worry about it, you're gonna

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die you know that but you accept

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it and if you're well,

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hurry up, let's get it over with. I've

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also done stories about lost planes where

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family members of those aboard never gave

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up searching for answers. Like

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two young Navy pilots who took off

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from Seattle back in 1949

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on a training flight and disappeared. The

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mother of one of them came to Seattle

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from Tennessee to help with the search. Nothing

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turned up but she came back

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every year for 20 years to

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continue searching. She would talk

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about it and she'd share all the details

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with us, me and my brother as grandchildren and

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it was always on her mind. She

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just never could get emotionally detached

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from it. All this

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to say that something about plane crashes and

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the people affected by them have

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always been compelling. So

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that's why after I first read about

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flight 293 I decided I needed

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to know more. I checked online

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and there were some old articles and a few

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bits of information on Wikipedia. The

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most revealing and most frustrating thing

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I found was something called the

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aircraft accident. report, an

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official document issued by a federal

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government agency called the Civil Aeronautics

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Board, or CAB. The

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CAB is, essentially, a precursor to

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the National Transportation Safety Board. Like

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the NTSB does today, the CAB

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investigated aviation accidents and issued reports

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on the causes of plane crashes.

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The CAB report on what happened to Flight 293 is a scant

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10 pages. It leaves

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a lot of questions unanswered. That's

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one of the reasons why we're doing this podcast. The

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DC-7C took off from McCord Air Force Base

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around 830 in the morning local time.

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Before takeoff and for the first few

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hours of the journey north, everything was

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ordinary. About two

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and a half hours into the flight, the CAB report

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says, the pilot or co-pilot

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of Flight 293 radioed that they were 14,000 feet

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over a point called Domestic

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Annette, or

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the part of their route nearest to Annette

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Island in southeast Alaska. Annette

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Island is just north of the border between Canada

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and Alaska. This is a

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little confusing, but that point called Domestic

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Annette is actually about 130 miles west

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of the island out over the Gulf of

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Alaska. It's like an imaginary

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road sign in the air highways or

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routes that most aircraft travel between destinations.

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Pilots and co-pilots don't give position reports

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like this anymore. Radar now tracks all

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commercial aircraft at all times. In

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1963, between the lower 48 and

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Alaska, this wasn't the case. So,

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someone in the cockpit would use the radio

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to tell a radio operator on the ground

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that the plane was passing a certain spot.

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If a plane didn't make a report when it was expected

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to, the radio operators on the ground

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would know that something had gone wrong. As

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Flight 293 passed Domestic Annette, the pilot

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or co-pilot of Flight 293. Flight 293

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also requested permission to climb to 18,000

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feet. That

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request to change altitude was denied.

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The crew hadn't given any reason for wanting to climb from

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14,000 to 18,000 feet, though changing

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altitude would be a routine step for

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an airliner to take to avoid something

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like turbulence or icing conditions. We'll

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hear more about this in a later episode. The

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CAB report explains that a Canadian

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radio operator at Sandspit, British Columbia,

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that's an island just south of

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the Canadian border with Alaska, acknowledged

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this transmission and advised Flight 293

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that this altitude was occupied by

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Pacific Northern Airlines Flight 5. In

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a routine situation involving communications like this

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between air traffic personnel on the ground

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and a cockpit crew in the air,

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someone from Flight 293 should have acknowledged

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the message from Sandspit right away. Instead,

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there was only silence.

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The CAB report continues, saying that two

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minutes later, the Sandspit operator attempted to

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contact Flight 293 and give it a

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clearance to 16,000 feet. And

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then, more silence. There

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was no answer from the plane. Next,

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the radio operator at Sandspit asked the crew

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of Pacific Northern Airways Flight 5 –

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remember, that was the aircraft already occupying the

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nearby airspace at 18,000 feet –

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to attempt to contact Flight 293. It's

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unclear how much time elapsed between the

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Sandspit radio operator asking the Pacific Northern

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Airways crew for help, but it's likely

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they complied almost immediately. But,

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when that crew tried to reach Flight 293 once again, there

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was no answer. Several

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minutes had

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gone. gone

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by and no one on the ground or

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in the air could reach the cockpit crew

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of Flight 293. There

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was no answer from the Northwest Airlines

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DC-7C that was supposed to be 14,000

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feet over the Gulf

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of Alaska and which was supposed to

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land at Elmendorf Air Force Base in two hours with

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101 passengers and crew. As

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the CAB report succinctly and bluntly puts

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it, all further attempts

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to contact Flight 293 were futile.

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