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Hi. It's me. Ryan Krause,

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host of cold case murder mysteries.

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I wanna tell you about the hit podcast,

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cold. This season, the

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host, Dave Cauley, investigates

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the disappearance of Sherry Warren,

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a young mother looking for a fresh

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start. Recently divorced,

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she had moved back in with her family,

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found a great new job, and

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even a new boyfriend. Sheree

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life was turning around, and she

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was happy for the first time in a long

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time. But on a mild October

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evening after work, Sheree

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said goodbye to her coworkers, left

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the office, and was never

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heard from again. All

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eyes quickly turned towards her ex husband.

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He had a history of violence and

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had previously lured another woman

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into the woods and beat her

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with a tire iron. But

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there was also another man that

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peaked the interest of investigators Shahri's

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new boyfriend, a former reserve

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police officer, who also

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had a dark history of sexual

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violence. The two men

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closest to Sherry swore

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they loved her and promised to

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protect Sheree, but did one

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of them murder? I'm

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about to play a clip from cold,

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Rain drizzled over the canyon of the south fork

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of the Ogden River. It pattered

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on the canvas top of Heidi OSNINE's

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Jeep as she drove up Utah State Highway

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thirty nine on the morning of

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Friday, June fourth, nineteen seventy

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one. She was on

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her way to meet the strange man who had for weeks

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been calling her demanding they go

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on a

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date. I can't see it, but I'm

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doing air quotes. She

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turned right off the highway at the entrance to the

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Meadows Campground, crossed a

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short bridge over the barely more

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than a creek really and stopped

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next to a camper trailer on the far side.

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A pair of sheriff's deputies dressed as fishermen

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stepped out to greet

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her. And I said, what should I do? And

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he said, but he just

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pulled across the street

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and then leave the Jeep parked

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like, the sideways. You know what I mean? As

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Heidi's describing this to me decades later,

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she's using her hands to show the positions

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of her jeep in the trailer how

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the deputies told her to park next to them,

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but to reverse out after the collar arrived

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and passed by her position to block

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him from getting back across the bridge

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to the

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road. Sheree

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was the cheese on the mousetrap. Listen,

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make sure when he comes up identify,

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make sure that he's the right person.

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Two miles down the can, back in

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the direct action of Huntsville, her husband,

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John Posnine, waited at another

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campground called Magpie. The

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sheriff was with him, along with the deputy

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Alvar Bailey. They all watched the

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highway as the clock ticked toward

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the time for Heidi's date to arrive.

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A little after ten AM,

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a red and white half ton pickup truck

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past Magpie going up the canyon

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toward

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Meadows. John Posney

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saw a logo printed on the truck's door.

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And the dummy who was driving his dad's

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business truck had said Hartman

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plumbing. And when they drove past

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Magpie, Joseph, he immediately

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knew who it was.

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Hartman Plumbing and Heating belonged to

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a man named Bill Hartman. John

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knew Bill. They had golfed together at

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the Oregon golfing club. Bill

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was also a fellow member of the

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Weber Club. The collar

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had told Heidi he'd seen her at the Weber

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Club. It clicked for John.

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He recognized the man at the wheel of

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the pickup as Bill Hartman's oldest

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son, Carrie Hartman. The

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Sheree tried to radio the two undercover deputies

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who were with Heidi at Meadows to let them know

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the collar would soon reach them. But

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the radio didn't work in the narrow

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canyon. Heidi had

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no idea who the young man in the

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pickup truck was when he turned

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off the

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highway, drove across the bridge,

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and stopped next to Sheree Jeep.

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No. Because I never paid any attention

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to him before. I didn't notice him before.

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The young man rolled down his window.

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Heidi saw he had brown

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hair, green eyes, and appeared clean-cut

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like a cop or military man.

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Kind of forgettable. He

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says, hi. I can't remember exactly.

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And and then I said, why would you

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pick on an old lady like

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me? And then you made some remark that I

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was six year, pretty year, something,

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you know. You're

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not an old lady at this point though.

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No. Gosh. No. But

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I was way older than he was. I already

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had kids, you

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know, teenagers. So,

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yeah, I was an old lady. Carrie

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Hartman was twenty two to Heidi's

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thirty six. And he kept

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looking at that trailer and was getting a little

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nervous. And

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he said, I'm gonna just

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pull up there. Why don't you follow me up? There.

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By up there, Carrie meant farther into the

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campground behind a line of trees out of

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sight of the road. He drove

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past her up around a bend Heidi

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put her jeep in reverse pulled out and blocked

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the narrow road just as the deputies

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had instructed. She then leapt

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from the jeep and rushed into the safety of

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their trailer. The deputies

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told her to stay put, then went to

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stand next to the Jeep. Heidi

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poured herself a cup of coffee with

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shaking hands, She

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listened for the sound of the pickup. We

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had returned after a few minutes. Heidi

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peeked out the window as the deputies pulled

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carry out of the truck and placed him under

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arrest. They frisked

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him, finding a small knife in his pocket.

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Then they tried to call their backup down at

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the Mag Pi

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campground, only to discover their

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radios didn't work in the canyon either.

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So the deputies piled into Carrie's

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truck and drove it and him

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down the canyon to meet with the sheriff. I

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stayed a while because I

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was all nervous,

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I guess. Whatever you I'd

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had my coffee and then I got Najib and

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I drove down and they were already gone. So

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Only later did Heidi learn from her husband

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John what had happened when Carrie had arrived

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in handcuffs at

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Magpie? John, she

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told me, had turned to the Sheriff,

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he says, boy, I should like to smack him

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in the mouth. And he says, well, look the other

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way. So they they had

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him already out. And

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John touched him. And

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he he was embarrassed. He looked down and he

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says, I wish he had a gun and shoot

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me,

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really? Yeah. He said that.

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Because he was embarrassed he was ashamed. John

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Paznine had punched Carrie Hartman in the

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face, while the Sheree and his deputies

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looked the other way. Needless

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to say this wasn't legal.

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The deputies had been taken Carrie to the Weber

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County jail in Ogden where they'd booked him on

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suspicion of making threatening phone calls.

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A minor, misdemeanor charge

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that didn't quite match the gravity of

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the whole situation. Kerry

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provided a handwritten statement admitting to what

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had happened. I called the lady

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and said, would you meet me at a time and

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place? If not, some harm would

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come to your husband's car and

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possibly him. That's not

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Carrie's voice, but they are his words

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read by a voice actor.

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Even today, Heidi downplays

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the seriousness of what happened. Well,

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because he really hadn't done anything

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other than met me. But

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I'm here to tell you, there was something

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much more ominous behind those phone

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calls. Something that makes Heidi's mouth

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go dry and her hands fidget when she

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really stops to think about it. This

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season isn't about Heidi Posnering. As

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I said earlier, it's about the disappearance of

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Sherry Warren, but there's a

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reason we're starting with Heidi

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instead of Sherry. It's because

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Carrie Hartman, the man who tried

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to lure Heidi up that canyon,

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would years later meet a

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friend and woo Sherry

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Warren. So

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now we're going to follow Carrie's

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path to see how he and Sheree first

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came together. Hold on

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because from here, everything

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escalates. Our

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story begins with a phone call.

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Voice of the phone said I was sexy.

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He had made literally thousands of those

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types of calls. He follows the

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women, to know him and then

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if then Don't report

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to your body as I found

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him. Everything. There are a lot of missing

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girls. Escalades. She

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was beaten. Step absent how the

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knife broke and then shot twice in the

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head.

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Sherry Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen

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eighty five.

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Her friends and families say she's not the type

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to just run wouldn't leave her

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child. No one can say just what

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happened to Sherry. No one's faced

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charges for her disappearance, not her

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ex husband Chuck

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Warren, money was

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a big issue. Chuck He

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told her if I can't have you, nobody's going

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to. And not Sherry's

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boyfriend, Carrie Hartman. I remember

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her seeing the Sheree focused here. Yeah.

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Too disposition. Doctor Jackal,

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mister Hyde, he could be the nicest guy you

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ever wanted me, but he

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also had that sinister

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sight. Listen

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