0:07

Well, I just think it's

0:09

a simple yes, absolutely we

0:11

show up differently because through

0:14

the year and a half

0:16

While you know we talk

0:18

about how lovely it's been

0:20

we've also learned a lot

0:22

about each other and how

0:25

we how we tick and

0:27

Yeah, I would say the

0:29

value set and the trust

0:31

has skyrocketed through this experience

0:34

Yes Growing up, they had

0:36

a shared language that nobody

0:38

else could understand. Now the

0:41

two women are in their

0:43

60s, and they're spending more

0:45

time together than they ever

0:47

have before. In fact, they

0:50

might even spend more time

0:52

together than they do with

0:54

their respective spouses. As the

0:56

two of them approach an

0:59

age where women have too

1:01

often become invisible in our

1:03

society. Cynthia and Leslie

1:05

are on a mission to

1:08

redefine our society's narrative around

1:10

aging. And what I love about

1:12

them is that they're doing it

1:14

together. They've truly

1:16

embraced social media together

1:19

to break all of these

1:21

stereotypes apart. Online, they

1:23

call themselves the twin agers.

1:26

And taking

1:28

on this

1:31

huge project

1:33

together has

1:36

brought them

1:38

closer and

1:41

deepened their

1:43

commitment in

1:46

ways that

1:48

they never

1:51

could have

1:53

imagined. Hi Leslie,

1:56

hi Cynthia. How are

1:58

you? I'm good. I've got

2:00

to say, on my screen,

2:03

you too do look stunningly

2:05

similar. Yes. That's what

2:07

identical twins will do.

2:09

That is what identical

2:11

twins will do. I

2:13

love, love, love what

2:15

you are doing, how

2:17

you are trying to

2:20

change the narrative around

2:22

aging and travel and

2:24

just being together.

2:26

But I want to start out

2:28

a little bit to talk about

2:30

being identical twins. I think

2:33

a lot of people are

2:35

fascinated by that. What is

2:37

your bond like now? And

2:40

what was it like when you

2:42

were growing up? Oh, that's

2:44

a very good question. So

2:46

why don't I start at

2:48

Cynthia here? Our bond growing up

2:51

was obviously... just very very close.

2:53

You know, when you share the

2:55

same experiences right out of the

2:58

womb, you know, it means that

3:00

we had the same environment and

3:02

all those things. So we were

3:05

in a smaller school, so we

3:07

were very often in the same

3:09

class. So just to carry on,

3:11

like when we were younger, you

3:14

know, our mom always used to

3:16

tell us that we had our

3:18

own language, you know, there

3:20

was a shortcut. you know,

3:23

right from the very beginning

3:25

on how we communicated with

3:27

each other. And I think

3:29

that probably extends to today

3:32

in terms of understanding the

3:34

other person so deeply that

3:36

we have a shared language

3:38

that other people don't have.

3:41

I think that would be one

3:43

way to describe it growing up.

3:45

And did you stay close as

3:47

you grew up? And then as you

3:49

became adults as well.

3:51

Yeah, it's Leslie. I'll I'll

3:53

answer that. Yeah, we've always

3:56

been close since there's a

3:58

shared language, but it's. Also,

4:00

we see life's the same and

4:02

we think the same and

4:04

while we will have differing

4:06

opinions on stuff, the value

4:09

set is driving a lot

4:11

of that sameness. But we did.

4:13

I remember it was in grade

4:15

five and we had moved from

4:17

Winnipeg to Toronto and the school

4:19

principal at the time had. you

4:22

know conversation with our mother and

4:24

he was horrified that we had

4:26

been in the same class together

4:28

and he said no no no

4:30

you too need to be separated

4:33

you need to you know build

4:35

your own identity and my our

4:37

mother was never dressed us the

4:39

same and cutesy stuff like that

4:42

but we had been very

4:44

much a unit And that

4:46

was a pivotal point, I

4:49

think, for us. Yeah. And

4:51

it continued through school and

4:53

through secondary school and university

4:55

whereby we had a different

4:58

set of friends. We took

5:00

completely different courses and our

5:02

lives started to take on

5:05

much more of a different

5:07

lens from that standpoint as

5:09

we were. growing older. And

5:11

then when we got into

5:14

our careers, completely different careers,

5:16

Cynthia was in the creative

5:18

industry in advertising and still

5:20

is doing that, you know,

5:23

40 years plus. And I

5:25

was in the financial services

5:27

industry and marketing and product

5:29

development and a whole bunch

5:32

of different areas. So very,

5:34

very different. careers that also

5:36

informed us as different

5:38

identities as we grew

5:40

older. I was just going to

5:43

add to that. I was just

5:45

going to add to that despite

5:47

all that and some separation as

5:49

we were, you know, growing into

5:51

adulthood. I had my kids a

5:53

little bit earlier than less. There

5:56

was still a very, very tight

5:58

bond. So there was... there wasn't,

6:00

it didn't, it didn't

6:02

manifest in any kind

6:04

of disconnect or anything, it

6:07

just actually informed, it

6:09

frankly informs what we're doing

6:11

right now. We have a

6:13

diversity of thought and opinions

6:16

based on where we, where we

6:18

grew into adulthood to take

6:20

us into our work that

6:22

we're doing together today. And

6:24

I want to talk a little

6:26

bit about, about that work. There

6:28

is a lot of stigma around

6:30

aging and stereotypes around aging.

6:33

And as the two of

6:35

you have aged, you've decided

6:37

to take that on together.

6:39

Talk to me a little

6:41

bit about how you decided

6:44

that aging is something to

6:46

embrace rather than resist. Yeah,

6:48

it's Leslie and I'll start, but

6:50

I know since we'll have common

6:53

there, but you know, this was

6:55

a pandemic discussion. between the two

6:57

of us. That's how it started.

6:59

If you remember we all had

7:01

to have our own bubbles and

7:04

of course we were our own

7:06

bubble. So we spent a lot

7:08

of time just talking about life

7:10

and where we were at and

7:12

you know what it felt to

7:15

be midlife women. And I think

7:17

there's a couple of things that

7:19

became very apparent is that

7:21

we both felt we weren't done.

7:24

We felt that through our

7:26

life experiences, our voice wasn't

7:28

being heard. And we were

7:30

super, super impressed with,

7:33

you know, there's the Jane

7:35

Fonda's and there's the Naomi

7:37

Watts and there's all these

7:39

wonderful celebrities who are out

7:41

there talking about aging. And

7:44

they have the platform to

7:46

do it and they're doing

7:48

a good job. But what

7:50

we felt as we kind

7:53

of. talked about it is where are

7:55

the voices of what I'll call normal

7:57

everyday people that don't have the platform

7:59

of solutions. and fame to put

8:01

their message out there. And

8:03

we just decided that this

8:05

was something we felt passionate

8:07

enough that we were going

8:09

to build something together and

8:11

espouse our uniqueness in our

8:14

views to tackle the fact

8:16

that society needs to hear

8:18

more from this demographic. And

8:20

I think, and just to

8:22

add to that, I think

8:24

the one thing that came

8:26

to light was despite our

8:28

different careers, because we really

8:30

were in completely different industries,

8:32

the issues that we were

8:34

facing were the same. So

8:36

the more we talk to

8:38

others, we recognize that we're

8:40

not alone in this, you

8:42

know, like that feeling of

8:44

invisibility or marginalization or, you

8:46

know, your, past your prime,

8:48

you know, due date, if

8:50

you will. That was something

8:53

that we felt innately, you

8:55

know, and I think that's

8:57

a pretty mainstream conversation these

8:59

days. So that was that

9:01

was one of the big,

9:03

kind of aha moments that

9:05

we had to say, what

9:07

can we do about that?

9:09

Because if we, as two

9:11

people are feeling it, There's

9:13

so many others that are

9:15

feeling the same, the same

9:17

thing. Right, right. And so

9:19

you chose to tackle a

9:21

lot of this on social

9:23

media. And as influencers advocating

9:25

for just more visibility around

9:27

being a woman of a

9:30

certain age, what was it

9:32

like tackling this project together?

9:34

Can I start less? Yeah

9:36

you start on that one.

9:38

So I think you know

9:40

there's there was a huge

9:42

learning curve you know we

9:44

We were both very passionate

9:46

about it, so what a

9:48

great place to start. We

9:50

both have different kind of

9:52

skill sets that we've honed

9:54

through the course of our

9:56

careers. I'm a producer, I'd

9:58

like to get things done.

10:00

Les is marketing strategy. She

10:02

likes to think things through.

10:04

So, you know, we were

10:06

actually a pretty good mix,

10:09

but we would have conversations

10:11

going. Les would say, let's

10:13

think about this. I don't

10:15

want to do this, and

10:17

I'm like... Can we just

10:19

do something? So we'd have

10:21

these like really wonderful debates

10:23

with each other about how

10:25

to get going. But how

10:27

was it to work together?

10:29

Top line, wonderful. Because we're

10:31

so aligned, because we're in

10:33

this place together in our

10:35

life, there was no issues

10:37

about being on the same

10:39

page and having to reiterate

10:41

what we wanted to do

10:43

and goals. For us, it

10:46

was more about the learning

10:48

curve on how are we

10:50

going to do this? What's

10:52

the best way to tackle

10:54

this? So it was a

10:56

pretty wonderful working arrangement and

10:58

it still is, I would

11:00

say, a year and a

11:02

year and a half into

11:04

it. still a really wonderful

11:06

working relationship and I think

11:08

that's that's we're very we're

11:10

very lucky to have that.

11:12

Yeah and I think that

11:14

you know with those that

11:16

have business partners I'm sure

11:18

that this is not a

11:20

new thing in terms of

11:23

a discussion between us but

11:25

it you know it's like

11:27

having that one word that

11:29

says I'm done. I don't

11:31

have to explain myself this

11:33

piece is not on. It's

11:35

your safe word, so to

11:37

speak. So we have this

11:39

pact that if we're talking

11:41

about something or trying to

11:43

put something online and out

11:45

there and we feel uncomfortable

11:47

with it, if one of

11:49

us doesn't want to do

11:51

it, we have to respect

11:53

that at the other. And

11:55

I think that's really important.

11:57

I will say too that

11:59

it's more... It's trickier for

12:02

us while we have our

12:04

voices and their dual voices,

12:06

etc. Logistically, it's tough because

12:08

we have to do all

12:10

of our content when we're

12:12

together. We're not separating out

12:14

because our brand is twin

12:16

agers. So that has its

12:18

logistical challenges, so to see

12:20

it. So we are very

12:22

organized, we're goal-setters, you know,

12:24

you know, Tuesday is a

12:26

filming day, we've got our

12:28

ideas in our head, and

12:30

we try to be as

12:32

authentic and non-scripty as possible,

12:34

but if one of us

12:36

isn't feeling it, we kind

12:39

of have to push through.

12:41

Like, it's difficult having two

12:43

that you're always having to

12:45

deal with. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

12:47

Mm-hmm. Was there a learning

12:49

curve for the two of

12:51

you, creating social media over

12:53

the age of 60? Oh

12:55

my God, a huge learning

12:57

curve. So this is Cynthia

12:59

speaking. My background is in

13:01

advertising production. So I make

13:03

TV commercials. I make web

13:05

campaigns. I do all that

13:07

stuff. So I thought, oh,

13:09

this shouldn't be too hard.

13:11

We're just going to, you

13:13

know, hold the phone up

13:15

and away we go. It's

13:18

not that at all. The

13:20

learning curve was enormous because

13:22

it's a different strategy. You

13:24

have to learn the tools

13:26

like we had to make

13:28

friends with tech like what

13:30

tools are we going to

13:32

use? How are we going

13:34

to engage like just we're

13:36

our own clients and I'm

13:38

used to working with clients

13:40

so that was my first

13:42

kind of course correct on

13:44

that one. I think the

13:46

biggest challenge we had was

13:48

was finding our voice and

13:50

that sounds really kind of

13:52

simple to do but it's

13:55

not because you have to

13:57

make sure that you are

13:59

authentic, that your message is

14:01

clear, that what you're saying

14:03

is going to be interesting

14:05

and engaging to your audience,

14:07

you have to understand who

14:09

your audience is. So yes,

14:11

the learning curve was enormous,

14:13

more so than I think

14:15

either one of us thought.

14:17

And I will say that

14:19

social media is treacherous. You

14:21

have to learn. You have

14:23

to learn that. Like I'll

14:25

just give an example. We

14:27

did this one little recipe

14:29

post that really resonated with

14:31

our audience and half the

14:34

time we kind of hope

14:36

it's going to, like sometimes

14:38

you don't even know what's

14:40

going to actually resonate. So

14:42

you try whole bunch of

14:44

things. So the learning curve

14:46

is also a lot of

14:48

experimentation. But in this one

14:50

particular post, we made a

14:52

boo-boo and admitted. omitted one

14:54

ingredient. Oh, was it a,

14:56

was it a, was it

14:58

a crucial ingredient? Kinda. It

15:00

was in that, it was

15:02

in the captions, but it

15:04

wasn't spoken. It wasn't spoken.

15:06

And, you know, as I

15:08

say, it's treacherous. I think

15:11

most of the comments were,

15:13

you missed the ginger, and

15:15

it just went on, on,

15:17

on and on. But it

15:19

was a lesson. So it

15:21

was a lesson. So it

15:23

was a lesson. Just, you

15:25

know, you know. You want

15:27

to be authentic, but you've

15:29

got to be really careful

15:31

of what you're saying and

15:33

you have to know that

15:35

anything that you say that

15:37

is wrong is going to

15:39

be literally count stone. Called

15:41

out. Called out. Called out.

15:43

Called out. Exactly. Yeah, no,

15:45

it's treacherous. It's a tough

15:48

audience. Yeah, and even pronunciations

15:50

of words. That gets typed

15:52

back at it. Did I

15:54

hear? And they say a

15:56

different way and you're like,

15:58

oh, I don't know, maybe.

16:00

Maybe. I don't know. I

16:02

don't know. I don't know.

16:04

Exactly. Exactly. It's hard. It's

16:06

hard. I mean, as someone

16:08

who is

16:10

increasingly increasingly

16:12

more online, it

16:14

can be exhausting.

16:17

I want to take a

16:19

break. When we get back,

16:21

I want to hear

16:23

if it's better because

16:25

you get to do this

16:28

together. We are. Hi.

16:30

Hi, Leslie. Hi, Cynthia.

16:32

Uh, hello. What is

16:34

it? Like, how has

16:36

your bond changed now

16:38

that you're working together?

16:41

Because working together

16:43

is different than

16:45

just being sisters. Um,

16:48

well, first. Okay. First,

16:50

since, uh, Leslie. So

16:52

it's definitely better.

16:55

But I will say, um, I

16:57

am thrilled. that it's only

16:59

making us stronger as sisters

17:02

as well. And a year

17:04

and a year and a

17:06

half and it does feel like

17:08

we have work and we

17:10

call it our work. We're

17:12

both very passionate about it,

17:14

but it is work and

17:16

we're both committed to it. And

17:19

there are times where, you know,

17:21

I might not think that since

17:23

doing something the way that I

17:26

would. actually do it and vice

17:28

versa and you can see that

17:30

kind of look in the eyes.

17:33

But again, it doesn't matter

17:35

and to me I think the

17:37

big surprise factor out of that

17:39

is that it is only making

17:42

us stronger in other elements

17:44

of our relationship as sisters. Yeah,

17:46

and I would add, yes, I

17:48

would 100% agree. I would add

17:51

to that because that was a

17:53

worry when we started. It's like,

17:55

you know, we spend a lot

17:57

of time together anyways. So,

18:00

know, as sisters. Now we're

18:02

layering on this work on

18:04

top of that. It's like,

18:06

I mean, I can't tell

18:08

you how many times a

18:10

day we speak when we're

18:12

not together, like multiple times

18:14

a day, texting completely, you

18:16

know, morning, noon, and night,

18:18

sharing things that we find,

18:20

all that kind of stuff.

18:22

But we do also value

18:24

our sister time and our

18:26

family time and all of

18:28

those things. We do also

18:30

value the break from it.

18:32

So we do like to

18:34

travel and we like to

18:36

travel together, which is, which

18:38

is, you know, one of

18:40

my great joys in life

18:42

that when we put together

18:45

a forsome and our

18:47

husbands get along and off

18:49

we go on our, our,

18:51

our adventure. So, Yeah, I mean

18:54

a lot of people might

18:56

think, oh my God, it's

18:58

like, it's almost like being

19:01

married, you know, you're with,

19:03

like, I'm with less,

19:05

probably as much as

19:07

I'm with my husband, seriously.

19:09

I don't know if you'd

19:12

like to hear me say

19:14

that. You know, and, you know,

19:16

as with any committed

19:18

long-term relationship,

19:21

There's also challenges. And

19:23

how do you work on

19:25

improving your relationship on

19:27

a regular basis? Well, I

19:29

think that's a really good

19:32

question. It's a really good

19:34

question. I think that, and

19:36

this is actually we're just

19:38

working through some of our learnings

19:40

as we approach a big milestone

19:43

birthday, which we'll leave for

19:45

that. One of the things

19:48

is open communication, and I

19:50

think we alluded to it

19:52

at the very beginning,

19:54

is, you know, you just have to

19:56

say it like it is,

19:58

and oftentimes take the personal

20:01

out of it and just

20:03

say you know I'm not

20:05

feeling this we're not going

20:07

to do it and yeah

20:09

and have the trust on

20:11

the other side there and

20:13

and not have to worry

20:16

that it's going to implode

20:18

on that and I think

20:20

also um vulnerability comes into

20:22

this quite a bit is

20:24

that you know in order

20:26

to build trust in relationships

20:28

you have to be vulnerable

20:30

with each other so you

20:32

know it's not like just

20:35

saying out of a mystery

20:37

I'm not into it you

20:39

have to talk about why

20:41

you're not into it and

20:43

and the core understanding of

20:45

all that so yeah and

20:47

respect and respect to that

20:49

that decision and maybe come

20:51

back to it later or

20:53

or maybe just say you

20:56

know what it's it's not

20:58

happening for you I still

21:00

really want to do it

21:02

so I'm just going to

21:04

put it over here for

21:06

a while and keep coming

21:08

back at it might play

21:10

out differently later, but it's

21:12

just about, like we're very,

21:15

very honest with each other.

21:17

We have to be in

21:19

order to do this. What

21:21

is something that the two

21:23

of you have been very

21:25

honest about with the other

21:27

one that might have been

21:29

hard to hear? Okay. I'll

21:31

start. I think it goes

21:34

back to our learning curve

21:36

on what to do and

21:38

I think at the beginning

21:40

I might have had a

21:42

perception that I was going

21:44

to be better at it

21:46

because of the industry I'm

21:48

in. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

21:50

And less has proved me

21:53

completely wrong in terms of

21:55

uptake and learnings on, you

21:57

know, how to do edits.

21:59

How to like, you know,

22:01

work creatively through it just

22:03

comes from a different place

22:05

so there's that but I

22:07

think it's also things like

22:09

when we're filled one of

22:12

us turning to the other

22:14

going, you look really, you

22:16

look really like you're not

22:18

happy right now. We need

22:20

to do that again because

22:22

you need to smile. I

22:24

say that a lot and

22:26

then less is like, she'll

22:28

sit there and go, what's

22:31

with your eyes? Those don't

22:33

look like, you know, so

22:35

there's, there's that, you know,

22:37

ability to be a little

22:39

harsh with each other to

22:41

go, you know, like. step

22:43

it off or whatever the

22:45

case may be. I think

22:47

that answered that question. Yeah,

22:49

I was going to say,

22:52

you know, like many times,

22:54

you know, if we watch

22:56

something back and it's just

22:58

horrible because one of us

23:00

is doing a bad job.

23:02

Yeah. We have to say

23:04

it. Yeah. And it happens.

23:06

Has that kind of honesty

23:08

gotten easier with age? Oh,

23:11

yes. 100%. Yeah, there's there's

23:13

there's a empowerment and a

23:15

confidence that comes with this

23:17

stage of life I'm just

23:19

going to say that so

23:21

and I think both less

23:23

than I have that and

23:25

again that diversity of thought

23:27

and paths to where we

23:30

where we are today we

23:32

both have that that feeling

23:34

of empowerment and You know,

23:36

you want your relationships to

23:38

be strong. You want them

23:40

to work for you. You

23:42

want to work? Let's just

23:44

see where this goes, right?

23:46

We'll push back. We'll have

23:49

that on as conversation. We'll

23:51

agree to disagree if that's

23:53

how it's going to end.

23:55

But yeah, there's an empowerment

23:57

at this stage of life,

23:59

even in relationships, right? You

24:01

want your relationships to be

24:03

strong. You want them to

24:05

work for you. We've spent

24:08

our... our lives working for

24:10

others, looking after others, now

24:12

it's time to look after

24:14

ourselves. And in this case,

24:16

for our brand, it's time

24:18

to look after each other.

24:20

Let's take one more quick

24:22

break and when I get

24:24

back, I want to talk

24:27

about some of the stereotypes

24:29

that you tackle. What do

24:31

you talk about when it

24:33

comes to flipping the script

24:35

on how we age and

24:37

what it means to be

24:39

a woman in her 60s?

24:41

Okay. You really are flipping

24:43

the script on what it

24:46

means to live well as

24:48

a woman in her 60s.

24:50

What are some of the

24:52

biggest myths that need to

24:54

be debunked? So I'll start

24:56

with one. I mean, there's

24:58

so many, unfortunately, that need

25:00

to be debunked. You know,

25:02

when we first started a

25:04

year and a half ago

25:07

and took a look at

25:09

you know, the marketing representation

25:11

and the messages that were

25:13

out there, it really was

25:15

dismal and it was a

25:17

spiraling downward slope that you

25:19

can expect as you age

25:21

and, you know, you're not

25:23

going to be flexible to

25:26

learn new things, you're not

25:28

going to be able to

25:30

keep up with the technology

25:32

in the world these days,

25:34

you're not going to, you

25:36

know, and it just went

25:38

on and on and on

25:40

and on. So, I mean,

25:42

obviously, just the mere fact

25:45

of our social media platform

25:47

and the tremendous amount that

25:49

we have grown tells us

25:51

two things. One is that

25:53

our content is resonating with

25:55

people, but people want to

25:57

hear more and they want

25:59

to see and have discussions

26:01

about all these things. you

26:04

have to actually take it

26:06

up one level and our

26:08

whole brand is demonstrative. Just

26:10

the mere fact of having

26:12

60 plus women out here

26:14

talking about aging, talking about

26:16

you know the good the

26:18

bad and the wrinkly so

26:20

to speak of all the

26:23

issues that come through demonstrates

26:25

that we're not done yet

26:27

and and you know even

26:29

take out the content stuff

26:31

the fact that we've gone

26:33

with I think something like

26:35

just over 300 posts to

26:37

31,000 followers in Instagram shows

26:39

that anyone can do this.

26:42

It's not, it's not, age

26:44

is not the number here.

26:46

Yeah, exactly, age is not

26:48

what is holding you back.

26:50

No. And I think, I

26:52

think the other myth is

26:54

that you can't contribute in

26:56

the same ways. And you

26:58

know, whether it's in your

27:00

professional life. You know, in

27:03

a work environment, there's a

27:05

lot of women that feel

27:07

like they're being maybe marginalized,

27:09

that their voice isn't as

27:11

important as the younger generation.

27:13

You know, so we want

27:15

to dispel that and part

27:17

of that is by tackling

27:19

a project like this to

27:22

say, you know what, you

27:24

can learn, you can contribute,

27:26

you can be a role

27:28

model for. the generation just

27:30

behind you, maybe even your

27:32

kids' generation, you know, all

27:34

of those things are important

27:36

to aspire to. What do

27:38

people most want to hear

27:41

from you about how to

27:43

live life in your 60s?

27:45

Well, I'll start with that

27:47

one. It's all over the

27:49

map, which is really interesting.

27:51

People love to know, well

27:53

first they want to know

27:55

about us, so there's the

27:57

twin aspect and you know.

28:00

that that becomes a

28:02

topic that people have a

28:04

lot of questions around but

28:07

they want to know things

28:09

like day-to-day things how

28:11

to eat better what's

28:13

your what's your fitness

28:16

program how have you

28:18

built confidence over time what

28:20

do you like to read

28:22

what do you like to

28:25

watch like it's it's very

28:27

personal in a lot of ways

28:29

But it's also, you

28:31

know, tackling situations maybe.

28:34

You know, we have, we

28:36

have aging parents. How do

28:38

you deal with that? How

28:40

do you, how do you

28:42

juggle everything? You know, we've

28:44

got adult kids. I've got

28:46

a grandchild. What does that look

28:48

like? It's really just, how

28:50

are you coming into midlife

28:52

and, and, and owning it?

28:55

If that makes sense. Yeah.

28:57

And I think one

28:59

of the overriding things

29:01

that we look for when

29:03

we consider whether or

29:06

not we're making an

29:08

impact is when people come

29:10

back or they comment

29:12

and they say, oh, I'm

29:15

not alone in feeling like,

29:17

you know, I'm menopause

29:19

is killing me or I

29:21

don't want to eat my

29:23

dinner at eight o'clock or

29:25

Yeah, you know, I hurt

29:28

my muscles working out. Or I'm

29:30

feeling agism in my

29:32

workplace or, you know,

29:34

it can be anything

29:36

from sort of lofty

29:38

big problems to, you know, to

29:40

less's point, you know, what

29:42

time do you eat dinner for

29:45

digestive purposes?

29:47

Yeah. And we talk a lot

29:49

about our premise at the

29:51

very outset was We wanted

29:53

to be really frank and

29:56

honest about what aging is and

29:58

what it looks like so. You know,

30:00

we'll talk about the ups and downs

30:02

and we'll talk about, you know what,

30:04

it really isn't great when you, you

30:07

know, hurt your back on a big

30:09

long walk, but let's talk about this.

30:11

So then how far are you going

30:13

to go to strengthen your back muscles

30:15

and all that kind of stuff? And

30:18

that was an important part of what

30:20

we wanted to do is we didn't

30:22

want to sugar coat it. And we

30:24

didn't want to say. Yepy, look at

30:26

us, aren't we just fantastic 60 year

30:28

olds that have got it all figured

30:31

out and all that kind of

30:33

thing? And it was really important

30:35

to say, you know, everyone is

30:38

going through this whole process. And

30:40

I think one of our, our

30:42

more popular posts was when we

30:44

talked about the big pee and

30:47

the little pee in purpose, finding

30:49

your purpose as you... go into

30:51

what your third or fourth act

30:53

would be and how society has

30:56

always had this big push on.

30:58

You've got to know why you

31:00

get up every morning and you've

31:02

got to have a big P

31:04

and make your thing and a

31:06

lot of people can't do that

31:08

peace out. And so we talked

31:10

a little bit about, well, Not

31:12

everyone is ever going to go

31:15

through life and have a big

31:17

pee like I'm going to like

31:19

save the world from climate change

31:22

or whatever it is, but you

31:24

can have a meaningful fulfilled life

31:26

with a bunch of little peas

31:29

and the little peas can be

31:31

You know looking after your grandchildren

31:33

or making sure you have the

31:35

healthiest life possible volunteering in your

31:38

local community all those little things

31:40

add up to a meaningful life.

31:42

And those are also sort of

31:45

nuggets of wisdom that we like

31:47

to talk about and have our

31:49

followers weigh in on. And I

31:51

think that also talks about one

31:53

of the other big themes that

31:55

we try to tackle is transitions,

31:57

you know, whether it's aging parents.

31:59

or in my case I'm

32:02

prepping for retirement, which sounds

32:04

really wonderful, but it's one

32:06

of the scariest, most angst-ridden

32:08

transitions I have experienced in

32:10

my life. And, you know,

32:13

it takes a lot of

32:15

thinking through in terms of

32:17

where you're going with your

32:19

financials, yes, but also emotional.

32:22

emotional needs and your daily

32:24

needs and all that kind

32:26

of thing. So there are

32:28

some big topics we do.

32:31

We do try to tackle

32:33

as well as the smaller

32:35

ones. Do you think the

32:37

two of you show up

32:40

for each other differently after

32:42

doing this together for nearly

32:44

six plus decades? Well, that's

32:46

a really good question. I

32:48

will say yes. I will

32:51

say yes, because I think

32:53

our relationship, well, it started

32:55

really, really tight, you know,

32:57

when you're growing and then

33:00

we diverged a little bit

33:02

and now we are coming

33:04

back. And the importance of

33:06

coming back into this relationship

33:09

is, I think, one of

33:11

the most foundational, important relationships

33:13

in my life. Does that

33:15

make sense? Last, do you

33:18

agree? Well, I just think

33:20

it's a simple, yes. Absolutely,

33:22

we show up differently because

33:24

through the year and a

33:26

half, while, you know, we

33:29

talk about how lovely it's

33:31

been, we've also learned a

33:33

lot about each other and

33:35

how we tick. And I

33:38

would say the value set

33:40

and the trust has skyrocketed

33:42

through this experience. Yes. Yeah.

33:44

Agreed. Tell me where everyone

33:47

can. can find more of

33:49

you. And all of this

33:51

wisdom, all of this wisdom

33:53

that you've gathered. All right,

33:55

well we are primarily our

33:58

platform is focused on Instagram,

34:00

so at Twin Ages, you

34:02

can find us there. We

34:04

are also on TikTok. Whoa,

34:07

TikTok is a whole different

34:09

base. Yeah, how has that

34:11

been for you? I can't

34:13

wrap my head around the

34:16

TikTok. Okay, so Tik Talk

34:18

is really tricky. It was,

34:20

and at one point, Tik

34:22

Talk, like it was almost

34:25

like a race to see

34:27

who was, you know, more

34:29

engaged and whatnot. We're finding

34:31

way more engagement on Instagram

34:33

these days. Tik Talk is

34:36

still chugging along. We are

34:38

on Facebook, but that's a

34:40

slow start on Facebook, but

34:42

just look for us on

34:45

Instagram at Twin Ages and

34:47

we will be one of

34:49

the plans as we're starting

34:51

to do a YouTube channel

34:54

coming soon. So there'll be

34:56

more places there, but we

34:58

would love to see anybody

35:00

that wants to join in

35:02

and... We welcome suggestions and

35:05

comments for what you want

35:07

to, what you would like

35:09

us to talk about on

35:11

Instagram. And that is all

35:14

we have for today. If

35:16

you have a story that

35:18

you would love to see

35:20

on Committed, email me Joe

35:23

at influential media dot is,

35:25

that is Joe at influential

35:27

media dot biz, I am

35:29

the host and executive producer

35:32

of our show. Our other

35:34

executive producer is none other

35:36

than the wonderful Ramseyant. Thank

35:38

you so much for being

35:40

here with us today. I

35:43

loved this conversation.