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Hi, JT. Me Conan.

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Hi.

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Hey Katie, how are you? Hi grapes.

2:35

It's so nice to see you, Katie.

2:37

It's nice to see you as well.

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You know, I, I, you, first of all, you have a lovely aura about you.

2:42

You seem very friendly and filled with energy and Goodwill.

2:47

Well, thank You.

2:48

Now that actually The case.

2:51

Yeah. It's either that or the fact that I, I just had a lot to drink and took some pills, so yeah.

2:56

Yeah. So it's one of those two things.

3:01

It's either you or it's me where you could be both.

3:04

It could be both or you can be true.

3:06

Where are you calling from? Katie and McLean?

3:08

Virginia. Washington DC.

3:11

Very cool. Very cool. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

3:15

So yeah, I live in McClain right now.

3:17

I'm originally from St.

3:19

Louis, Missouri, but I spent some time like overseas for a little while and I am a standardized patient.

3:25

So that's kind of Tell

3:27

me what a stint. I don't know. I do not know what a standardized patient is.

3:31

A standardized patient is like a, is a person typically an actor that is paid to portray patients with various illnesses for medical schools.

3:40

Whoa, wait a minute. Your job is to go into a medical school and present symptoms and then they have to try and guess what it is and that way they can practice diagnosing.

3:51

Correct. Exactly. So we're training the future doctors of America.

3:55

Wait a minute. This is I didn't first of all, I didn't know this existed.

3:58

Second. This is fascinating to me because you have to have this incredible first of all, abilities as an actor, but also you need to really know the disease you're pretending to have.

4:09

Yeah, yeah. We get trained on it. So they, some of the trainings are really hardcore and some are more like you do this thing, do it.

4:15

So it just depends on Like on Halloween or April fools to go in with symptoms that you have like an alien in your belly.

4:21

Like I

4:23

have an alien for my belly, so I could do that.

4:26

But for my Halloween costume, I actually did this year.

4:30

I put an alien in my shirt.

4:32

That's a different story, but, But

4:36

I, I have this, this is absolutely stunning.

4:39

You are trained to go in to a medical school and you have to really commit to having this illness.

4:45

And you have to know that. So I'm guessing you go in for some mild things and say pretty much present the symptoms of eczema, but you also go in and S and you have like a brain tumor.

4:56

Is that right? Yeah, I've done all of the above.

4:59

You know, sometimes we put on Mulege to present like cellulitis.

5:03

So your, your foot is all swollen and red Prosthetics

5:08

as well. We Have

5:10

fake wounds.

5:12

This is fantastic. I mean, this is, I, I I'm fascinated by this.

5:17

And so you go in, you really commit.

5:19

Do you ever do anything really obvious, like put an arrow, like a fake arrow through your head and say, I'm getting these.

5:26

I was in an archery range and now I'm having pain in my head, just so that, you know, just sort of give them a, an easy and easy pass.

5:33

One day, I've got this pain in my head might be the arrow.

5:36

Oh, a pluses for everybody.

5:38

Boom, boom, boom. You can make, plus you get new bus.

5:41

We, it, depending on the year of the student, we make them easier or harder.

5:46

So, you know, if it's a student's first encounter with a standardized patient, we're gonna give them an easier time.

5:53

So it might be something like, you know, your, your aspect, like a 10 out of 10 on the pain scale.

5:58

And you're just like, oh, my head hurts so bad or something like that.

6:02

So they can immediately go to, oh, okay, we're going to go in this.

6:05

But sometimes it's on the lighter end and they it's more nuanced.

6:10

How far do they take it? What I'm saying is let's say you're presenting really bad symptoms.

6:14

Do they, do you ever take it to the point where they have to give you bad news?

6:19

Oh yes. Yes. We do a lot of those.

6:22

In fact, those are some of the best ones to do because they're pure acting.

6:26

It's it's not like Al my stomach hurts.

6:29

It's more of, you know, we, we brought you in here today to tell you that you have cancer or yeah.

6:36

Some or like even, even heavier stuff sometimes.

6:39

So then they have to deal with What is heavier than that.

6:45

Not much. It could be the cancer or death of a loved one or something like that.

6:51

But the ones that we do the most are the, they call them breaking bad news.

6:55

And that's where they, yeah.

6:57

They bring you in and we're trained to portray a certain type of emotion when they tell us this.

7:03

So, so, so I I'm I'm man, this just blows me away.

7:08

So you, they tell you, is your name Katy in these scenarios, or do you have to use a different name?

7:14

Typically use a different name. Cause it's, it can be like a case name.

7:17

So like I'm playing like Colleen Cumberland.

7:22

Sure. It seems to me like your, yeah, your name is, I love it.

7:25

Your name is Kate. Your name is Katie collagen, but you will only play a Colleen collagen.

7:28

The thing is they've gotta be Irish and the diet and the diagnosis is always the same.

7:36

You had way too much to drink as a child.

7:38

So

7:38

my

7:38

question

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is,

7:38

okay,

7:38

you

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really

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commit

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as

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an

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actor

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then

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to

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them

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telling

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you

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me

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saying,

7:38

Hey,

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Colleen,

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we

7:38

have

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really

7:38

bad

7:38

news

7:38

for

7:49

you. This is a kind of cancer that spreads quickly, and you've probably got six weeks.

7:54

And do you cry? Do you get, wow, this is to help them train to deal with this situation, Right?

8:02

Yeah. So we were often trained to be as authentic as possible.

8:06

So if the student isn't very good at delivering the bad news, we might react a different way than if they were fantastic at it.

8:14

So I find that on those days that I have to portray those cases, these are 90 minute encounters with the students where it's a lot of time and energy and emotion.

8:22

And I will absolutely get to the point of tears sobbing.

8:26

Sometimes people yell, scream.

8:28

It just depends on what they're feeling that day.

8:31

And I didn't know this existed.

8:33

I'm S I, it makes perfect sense that it does, but this is mind blowing.

8:39

Yeah. Did you have to audition for this?

8:43

Yes. Yes. So basically the way that you get into this is you don't have to be an actor to do it.

8:48

Some people are not actors and there's quite good at it, but you have to go in and they essentially have a standardized.

8:54

Who's been doing it for years, audition you in a room.

8:58

They're the med student. You're the, you know, the SP you learn a case pretty easy one.

9:04

And then you have to portray that case.

9:06

So let's say it's appendicitis or something like that.

9:09

You have to have a certain level of effect memorize this information to regurgitate back.

9:16

Yeah. Yeah. I have a question. Do you ever see that the student is struggling and you want to help them out?

9:20

So you, you, you cheat a little bit and go, ah, pancreas, pancreas feels blocked near that duct, the, the ulterior duct.

9:36

And then they're like, it's an ulterior tuck, Brent blockage of the pancreas.

9:39

A plus. That's what, that's what I would be.

9:42

That's what I would be doing. I would constantly be feeling like I got to help these people out.

9:48

Right. Right. Sarah Bell. Right. Cerebellum feels like it is over articulated with blood.

9:56

Just a guess.

9:58

Guest on my part you'd know better doc, but that's, what's written on my hand.

10:04

Let's get it out of here.

10:07

It gets you up and feel that way we do.

10:09

But we're not allowed to, This

10:11

is incredible. I'm amazed by this.

10:13

I want to try, can we do something that's not so heavy, but let's try coning out.

10:19

So, yeah, doctor and you're going to, you're going to give him some news and let's see how, oh, wait, so wait.

10:24

Am I, am I the patient?

10:26

Okay. All right. Audition you and see if you could handle Katie.

10:29

I'm I'm the patient.

10:31

And my name is Patrick.

10:33

I'm just going along with here.

10:36

Clear bias towards the Irish.

10:37

I'm Patrick. Oh, Shanahan.

10:39

I'm a spot welder.

10:41

And I'm here and I've I've.

10:43

Should I give you my telling you what my symptoms are?

10:46

Well, yeah, I would come in and say, take your, Take

10:48

us through it. Dr. Collagen.

10:52

Hey. Hello. How are ya? Ah, Patrick,

10:56

is that the, do I have the right person, Patrick?

10:59

Yes. Yes. Oh, you're a good doctor.

11:00

You know the name of the person you're talking to.

11:03

It's very important to do that check.

11:05

So I heard that you are in here for some, some concerns.

11:08

What is it that brings you in today?

11:11

Patrick? I gotta tell ya.

11:13

I'm having this problem.

11:14

It's it's it's me leg me right.

11:19

Leg me, right? Leg has a tingling sensation.

11:21

I have a little, well peripheral neuropathy on the right side of the foot.

11:27

That's an old, that's what my mother used to call it in the old country, peripheral neuropathy.

11:31

And I get a tingling feeling there.

11:35

I've lost some sensation in me, right leg.

11:37

And I, I, sometimes it comes and goes, but it seems to be affected more by my diet.

11:45

Ah, Okay.

11:48

Can you tell me about your diet High

11:50

leads? A lot of sugar in rich foods, lots of sugar.

11:54

I have, I struggle with every day eating a chocolate bunny rabbit.

11:57

And then, and then I follow that up with some maple syrup.

12:02

And then I have my son for wedding cake, five tiers, and even eat the bride and groom that are made of icing on the top.

12:11

And then I drink seven liters of Coca Cola that chase it down.

12:18

Yeah. That's that's, that's that normal breakfast for me.

12:22

I'm just a janitor here, but I think he's got Diabetes.

12:26

Yeah. I think he does twice. The Fucking

12:27

janitor in here, piping up out of here.

12:33

Janitor. That's not what I'm paying for.

12:36

Sorry about that. Sorry. That, that Patrick diabetes, diabetes is what we think is going on.

12:41

Has anyone ever told you you've had type two diabetes perhaps, You

12:45

know, I've had it, I've seen 35 other doctors and they've all said type two diabetes.

12:49

And they've taken blood tests and said yes, type two diabetes.

12:53

But I always thought they were full of shite.

12:55

So I just walked out on him and came to see you So

12:59

glad you're here, Patrick. And we are going to tell you the same thing.

13:05

Now I'm going to be very upset and I have to test your skills of handling someone who's upset.

13:08

Oh, I'm so upset to have type two diabetes.

13:11

There's no cure. There's nothing I can do.

13:15

You know what, actually, Patrick, there is something that we can do.

13:18

We can work with you for diet lifestyle, exercise.

13:21

There's even some medications we can get you on.

13:24

Wait. So you're saying I might have to do a little bit of exercise in each a little bit less sugar.

13:29

I think we could work with someone to Fucking

13:32

kill myself.

13:33

I'd rather die.

13:35

I'm

13:35

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13:35

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13:35

people

13:35

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13:35

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13:35

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13:35

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13:42

feel. That's how we feel about any lifestyle choice.

13:45

You could live a perfectly great life.

13:48

If you would slightly alter your diet, lose a little bit of weight and maybe take a walk.

13:52

Occasionally they get a gun and blow their brains.

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14:15

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And what about you? I last night just got caught up on the morning show.

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Okay. All right. Well, here's the issue I'm having.

14:28

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14:32

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15:01

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15:23

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15:29

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15:49

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16:06

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16:58

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17:11

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17:26

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17:33

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17:45

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17:51

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17:57

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18:06

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He said he had for us. I had no idea what it was.

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Sony. Do you remember this? Vaguely.

19:17

Yeah. Well, oh. That's why you, you gave birth to twins and you've forgotten everything by the way.

19:22

Biden is president. Anyway, Danek had this big news.

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He was all excited. It turns out John was excited because we were switching our email marketing platform and partnering with MailChimp.

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Now, if I remember correctly, John Dennis said that switching to MailChimp would take a lot of work off his plate.

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So it would have a lot more free time.

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And that enraged me.

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I don't care if my employees have more free time.

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I don't want them to have more free time when he's on the clock.

19:52

Dennis is a software engineer, but with all of his free time, he's allowed to be more than that.

19:58

Or so he says, so I thought we should talk to John and see how the switch to MailChimp has been going.

20:04

Exactly what he's been doing with his new free time if he even has any.

20:09

So let's bring John denic out here, John, how are you?

20:12

I'm doing well. Thank you for having me back.

20:14

I'm very excited to get into the nitty gritty of how we've been using MailChimp.

20:19

Okay. Well I think that's got everyone listening.

20:21

Excited.

20:23

Yeah. Dennis, how is MailChimp working out for us?

20:26

We've made the big switch to MailChimp.

20:27

How's it working out for you and beef specific here?

20:31

Okay. It's been great. Since launching we've started using some more advanced features that MailChimp provides.

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We've been doing AB testing, which is this cool thing where you can set up two variables.

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You can try like two different subjects and an email MailChimp will send out a few determine which one is performing better than send that to the rest of your list.

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Isn't that interesting?

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Credible That's incredible.

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I spend way too much time thinking about the subject line for my emails.

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Exactly. Yeah. That's incredible.

21:01

By the way, if I was at a bar and you were talking like this I'd move anyway, I have to say, tell us about the reporting analytics.

21:09

I mean, that's the next question I would have.

21:11

He's really curious. Do you know what I love more than anything is the analytics I love getting in there.

21:17

Checking the numbers, seeing the stats.

21:19

You are a number cruncher. If I ever met one.

21:22

Yeah. This is where it gets really sexy.

21:24

Okay. So with every email, there's a heat map.

21:27

You can see where the users are clicking, what links they're going to.

21:30

For example, an interesting thing I noticed is that after our last chat and image thumbnail for that video with me and Sona and there was at the bottom of the email, but it got more clicks than some of the ones higher up on the email.

21:42

Draw your own conclusion.

21:45

Wow. But the data does not lie.

21:47

No. So your incredible star is what you're saying, John, Essentially

21:51

in the email marketing podcast.

21:52

YouTube space. I think so.

21:55

Yeah. Well that is a very specific place to be a star.

22:00

Well, that sounds like, I mean, so now the big question is Mr.

22:04

Danek, do you have more free time by switching to MailChimp?

22:09

Yeah. Yeah. It's no, no, no, no.

22:12

Don't, don't be afraid to say that you have more free time.

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I'm not going to count on you. Do you have more free time or not?

22:17

So, so, so what do you do with the new free time you have?

22:21

What wondrous things you're doing?

22:22

Are you curing cancer?

22:24

Are you helping bill rebuild America's infrastructure?

22:27

What are you doing?

22:29

I've been watching a lot of French cinema lately, specifically like the French new wave era.

22:37

Yes.

22:37

I

22:37

don't

22:37

mind

22:41

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And tell me about your life very quickly.

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Anything going on with you?

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You know?

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm 37 weeks pregnant right now to say Matt, congratulations on your little one.

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Congratulations. That's why Matt don't be fooled.

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You all. She's just pretending to be thirties.

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That's the problem of your symptoms?

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That's the problem, Katie.

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That's the problem with you? Oh my God.

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It's the belly.

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She just showed us. I think, I think you just that's the problem is that I don't, I don't think, I don't believe any things she says medically.

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I mean, that's the problem is that you came home and told your partner, like yeah, you know, I'm pregnant and he's like, yeah, right.

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Whatever. Take, leave your work at home.

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Clean your work at work.

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Don't bring it home. I love That

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question. Yeah. Do you, Because

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you're probably so well-versed in medical symptoms at this point, like get a minor symptom.

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You're like, oh, Oh great. Now I have lupus.

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Yeah. You have a, you have an internet in your head at all times.

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Yeah. It's true. I actually have learned a lot about the medical system.

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And I think when we first start as SPS, we, we definitely get into that, like that web MD mode.

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But over time you actually get to know enough where you're like, oh, you know, actually, no, this is you're fine.

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This is what this is. This is what that is. And it's like, oh, if it's this, we need to go to the hospital right now.

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So I feel like more educated.

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So you test the doctors pretty much exclusively on being able to determine what your diseases from the symptoms is that the limit of what you do.

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I mean, that's a lot Luna. We, we do a lot more than that.

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Cause there's a lot about bedside manner, communication skills also, are they able to take feedback and learn from that?

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And can they be directed essentially?

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So it's, it's everything you need.

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I have a question. Do you ever text test their professionalism?

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Like start to come on to a medical student to see his face, to see if they behave a prop right after the cancer diagnosis.

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Yeah, Exactly.

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That's the time I, I have definitely tested their professionalism.

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Some cases are built like that, where you actually keep kind of poking to try to get more information about them, that they're able to kind of open up to you and they have to deal with the ethics of Okay.

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But you've never said anything like, Hey, you're super hot.

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After my, after my MRI, let's go, let's go get a drink.

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And then if they say sounds good to me, you can say you flunked that kind of thing.

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No, I haven't done that, but I can actually tell you, I do know people that have done that, that not flunking them.

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Mind you not flunking them, but they've, they've actually been like this.

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Guy's cute. I'm gonna find him.

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And I'm going to ask them out.

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So this has happened after the session.

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Yeah. It wasn't a test. They were really into, they were really interested.

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This wasn't the test.

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Oh my God.

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Is that how you met your husband? It is not sadly.

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No, no. I've met him through college, but, but I, you know, I, there were times before At

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the, where you're really at the college when you met your husband or are you pretending to go to college?

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What's real Katie.

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Katie. I don't know any I and Katie, your name is Katie collagen, which sounds like you're spreading someone who spread typhoid in the 18th century.

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You know, you don't seem like a Mary.

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I think this is all made up.

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I think everything about you spend so much of your life faking things that you don't even know what's real anymore.

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That wall behind you is just going to fall down.

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No, I I've been around for a long time. I would say 800 years.

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That sounds about right. Just keeping it, keeping it tight.

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So Katie, is there anything I'm very impressed by you, Katie?

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By the way, I, I know I, I really am.

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I, I sincerely am you it's this is very cool and you're very intelligent and poised and I think it's very amazing what you do.

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Is there any way I can help you?

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Is there a question I can answer for you if you're the one with all the knowledge?

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I don't know why you'd ask me anything, but I'll give it a crack.

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Okay. So I do have a question for you. And I know we just did a bit of our own encounter, but if you had the opportunity to legitimately go in and be a standardized patient for a day, Conan, what character and ailment would you like to portray to help educate the future doctors of America?

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Oh, that's a good question. I would think I would love to play someone with a mental illness and meaning that I have lots of different personalities, something that really, because Matt will tell you that may actually be true.

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Yeah, I have I'm I'm I was hoping you'd say that so I didn't have to, but I think I might want to go in, it would give me also a little more fun if I could go in and jump between different people and they had to figure out exactly, you know, what my, my mental condition was.

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I think that would be more fun for me than pretending to have diarrhea.

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You know, I think, I think I'd rather go in and have something that as an actor, I could really put my teeth into, you know, and to me that's, that would be multiple personalities, paranoia and sudden sudden bounce of a sudden bouts of insane grandiosity followed by me, collapsing into utter despair and sobbing something that would get me an Oscar.

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That's what I would want to do.

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I think you'd be actually really good at that.

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And is there a name for that besides being an actor in Hollywood?

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What is that Yeah.

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Okay. I, yeah, I just described most of the people that I interview and work professionally.

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So you can just channel all of them, put it into one encounter and really scare the students.

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But you know, they need to, You know, what you should bring me in.

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I would do that by the way, if you want to bring me in sometimes, and I'll just put on a mustache and just act, act like a raving lunatic and you could get, yeah, you could, you could give me a couple of tips on that.

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Leads them to a certain kind of, oh, he's got, you know, this is a complete psychotic break or, you know, whatever the medical, you know, truth is.

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I can, you could help me get there, but I would do that.

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I would say that Like that a lot. Well, I think we would love to have you.

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And I also think that you could just do one that yourself and you're trying to get the doctor to give you something because you're a celebrity.

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Oh, That's

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great. And I've done that with real doctors where they, you know, I can tell they're kind of a fan and I'm just say like, Hey look, you know, maybe you got some good, you maybe got some good pills or something.

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And I really pushed them on it to try and just, you know, score, score some sweet, sweet pills.

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And it often works.

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I often, and then I resell them.

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I don't know if I take half and I resell the rest out of my trunk.

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Hey Katie, before we wrap up, I hear there's a, that you had a really interesting reveal for the sex of your baby.

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Is that right? This is correct.

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Yes. So we found out that I was pregnant back in, in the spring and my husband, Derek had a great idea.

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It was my favorite idea at the beginning of the pregnancy, he said, what if instead of doing a normal gender reveal, we got Kenny G to announce the gender of our baby.

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I was like done.

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Yeah. So we got him on cameo because Kenny G's a boss on cameo.

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Turns out I'm a huge Fan

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and down on cameo for a session.

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Ooh. If he plays the sax. Sure. It's I think with his saxophone so low, which was important to the reveal, it was about three 50.

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It feels about right. Wait a minute, wait a minute.

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$350.

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm doing the mental math in my head.

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I'm afraid to ask what I would get on candy because now you'd be top tier.

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Okay. That's very nice. I wonder. But so Kenny G I have a question.

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Anytime I've checked out, someone's shown me a video from cameo of somebody, you know, wishing somebody happy birthday.

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They're always in their bathroom and there's always, there's always a kind of cruddy shower curtain in the background, two birds, one stone.

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Yeah. And it's just exactly, and I'm just, I don't know.

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It's just, it's always these people that were on sitcoms in the eighties or had a, or had a decent movie role in the nineties and then kind of disappear and they're always in their bathroom and the shower curtain always looks kind of ratty was Kenny G in his bathroom.

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No, It has a studio.

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He's got the whole setup and maybe it is a bathroom that looks like a studio though.

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So I don't know it could be a backdrop. However, he was in there, he was playing a saxophone.

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And we, we asked him for one song, if it was a boy, one song, if it was a girl and then they were two Kenny G songs.

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So we did the baby G if it was a girl like baby girl, and then the joy of life, joy boy, that was a bit of a dollar order.

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But the joy of life, if it was a boy.

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And so when we got my sister-in-law Carolyn to be the middleman, if you will, and she got in touch with him, knew the gender and then played it on a large screen TV.

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And so when, when Kenny G said it, I'm going to play the joy of life.

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Boom, boom, boom. We knew, we knew it was a boy.

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You have to be well-versed in Kenny G for that to land because I would sit there and watch it and go, I still don't know what we're having.

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Do you mind if I break in for a second, Katie?

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And I would like to just with my limited knowledge of that story, I'd like to diagnose Kenny G and my diagnosis is desperate for cash.

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Oh,

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Well, okay.

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Oh

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no. Oh no. He asked, he asked for it.

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All

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right. Listen, Katie delightful talking to you.

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I really am impressed by you, what you do and I'm I'm and congratulations on this baby boy, and I wish you all the best.

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And I sincerely hope our paths cross because I was love to screw with some medical students.

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I think that would be really fun. That'd be a really funny remote.

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Second, if we could get everyone to sign.

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Yeah. So I'm going to, I'm going to track you down.

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We got to do this. All right, Katie.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you so much. You're very nice.

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Thanks for Very nice to thank you both so nice to meet you.

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You know, IIII first of all, you have lovely aura about you. You seem very friendly and filled with energy and You seem very friendly and filled with energy and goodwill. Oh, well well thank you. I I hope that was actually the case. Yeah. It's either that or the fact that I I just had a lot to drink and took some pills. So We Yeah. Yeah. So it's one of those two things. It's either you or it's me. Were you Could be both it could be both. true. Where are you calling are you calling from, Katie? McLean, Virginia, right, outside of Washington, DC. Very cool. Very cool. Tell us little bit about yourself. So, yeah, I live in McLean right now, originally from Saint Louis, Missouri, but -- Mhmm. -- spent some time, like, overseas for a little while. And -- Mhmm. I am a standardized patient. So that's kind of one of my Tell me what a stand I don't know. I do not know what a standardized patient is. Yeah, so a standardized patient is like a is a person typically an actor that is paid to portray patients with various illnesses for medical schools. Whoa. Wait a minute. Your job is to go into a medical school and present symptoms And and then they have to try and guess what it is, and that way they can practice diagnosing. Correct. Exactly. So we're treating the future doctors of America. Essentially. Wait a minute. This is I didn't first of all, I didn't know this existed. Second, this is fascinating to me because you have to have this incredible first of all, abilities as an actor, but also you need to really know the disease you're pretending to have. Yeah. Yeah. We get trained on it. So they Some of the trainings are really hardcore and some are more like, you know this thing, do it. So I just Are you allowed, like, on Halloween or April fools to go in with symptoms that you have, like, an alien in your belly, like, something like that? I have an alien for my belly, so I couldn't do that. But for my Halloween costume, I I actually did this year. I put in helium in in my shirt. That's a different story. But But I, I have this, this is absolutely I I have this this is absolutely stunning. You are trained to go in to a medical school, and you have to really commit to having this illness, and you have to know that. So I'm guessing you go in for some mild things and say pretty much present the symptoms of eczema. But you'll also go in and and you have, like, a brain tumor. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. done all of the above. You know, sometimes you put on mulage to present, like, cellulitis. So your your foot is all swollen and and red. Oh, you do prosthetics as well. We have. Yeah. I just take wounds. This is fantastic. I mean, I had this is I I I'm fascinated by this. And so you go in, you really commit you ever do anything really obvious like put an arrow like a fake arrow to your head and say I'm getting these I was in an archery range and now I'm having pain in my head just so that you know, just sort of give them an easy an easy pass one day. I've got this pain in my head. It might be the arrow. Oh. A plus is for everybody. Boo boom boom. You can make, plus you get new make plus. You can make plus. We depending on the year of the student, we make them easier or harder. So, you know, if it's a student's first encounter with a standardized patient, we're gonna give them an easier time So it might be something like, you know, your your affect is like a ten out of ten on the pain scale and you're just like, ugh, my head hurts so bad or something like that. So they can immediately go to, oh, okay, we're gonna go in this. But sometimes it's on the the lighter end and they it's more nuanced. Well, how far do they take it? What I'm saying is let's say you're presenting really bad symptoms. Yeah. Do they do you ever take it to the point where they have to give you bad news? Oh, yes. Yes. We do a lot of those. Mhmm. In fact, those are some of the best ones to do because they're pure acting. It's It's not like alma's stomach hurts. It's more of, you know, we we brought you in here today to tell you that you have cancer. Or Jesus. Yeah. It's some or, like, even even heavier stuff sometimes. So then they have to deal with than that. You're right. What is heavier than that? Not much. It could be the cancer or death of a loved one or something like that, but The ones that we do the most are the we call them breaking bad and that's where they, yeah, they bring you in and we're trained to portray a certain type of emotion when they tell us this? So so so I'm I'm man, this just blows me away. So you they tell you, is your name Katie in these scenarios? Or do you have to use a different name? I typically use a different name because it's it can be like a case name. So, like, I'm playing, like, Colleen Cumberland. Right. Sure. It seems to me like your yeah. Your name is I love it. Your name is Kate your name is Katie Culligan, but you'll only play a Colleen Culligan. The thing is they've gotta be Irish. And the and the diagnosis is always the same. You had way too much to drink as child. And so my question is, okay, you really commit as an actor then to them telling you. Me saying, hey, Colleen, we have really bad news for you. This is a kind of cancer that spreads quickly and you've probably got six weeks. And do you cry? Do you -- Yeah. -- get Wow. This is to help them train to deal with this situation. Right. Yeah. So we were often trained to be as authentic as So we we're often trained to be as authentic as possible. So if the student isn't very good, at delivering the bad news, we might react a different way than if they were fantastic at it. So I find that on those days that I have to portray those cases these are ninety minute encounters with the students where it's a lot of time and energy and emotion and I will absolutely get to the point of tears sovying. Sometimes people yell, scream. It just depends on what they're feeling that day. And I didn't know this existed. I'm I it makes perfect sense that it does, but this is mind blowing. Yeah. Did you have to audition for Did you have to audition for this? Like, after wood for a role? Yes. Yeah. So basically, the way that you get into this is and it you don't have to be an actor to do it. Some people are not actors and they're quite good at it. But you have to go in and they essentially have a standardized patient who's been doing it for years. Addition you in a room. They're the med student. You're the, you know, the SP. You learn a case, pretty easy one, and then you have to portray that case So let's say, it's appendicitis or something like that. 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But let's try Conan out. So, yeah, he's a doctor, and you're gonna you're gonna give him some newsWanna let's see how Oh, wait. So I'm wait. Am I am I the patient? Okay. Alright. Yes. I'm gonna audition you and see if you could handle it. Katie, I'm I'm the patient, and my name is Patrick I'm just going along with here clear bias towards the Irish. I'm Patrick. Oh, Shannon Han. I'm a spot welder, and and I'm here. And I've I've. Should I give you my telling you what my symptoms I give you my tell me what my symptoms are? Well, yeah, I I would come and I say it. Alright. Take it. Take us through it. Talk to you again. Nuk Nuk. Hey. Hello. How are you? Patrick, is is that the do I have right person, Patrick? Yes. Yes. Oh, you're a good doctor. You know the name of the person you're talking to. It's very important to do that very important to do that. Yeah. Check. So I heard that you are in here for some some concerns. What what is it that brings you in today? Patrick? I gotta tell tell you, I'm having this problem. It's it's it's me leg. Me right leg. Me right leg has a tingling sensation. I have a little, well, peripheral neuropathy. On the right side of the foot, that's in old. That's what my mother used to call it in the old country. Peripheral neuropathy. Mhmm. And I get a tingling feeling there. I've lost some sensation in me right leg. And I I sometimes it comes and goes, but It seems to be affected more by my diet. Ah. Okay. Can you tell me about your diet, Pat? Kylie, it's lot of sugar enriched foods. Lots of sugar I have. I start off every day eating a chocolate bunny rabbit. And then and then I follow that up with some maple syrup. And then I have myself a wedding cake, five tiers. And I even eat the bride and groom that are made of icing on the top. And then I drink seven leasures of Coca Cola to chase it down. Yeah. That's a that's a that's a normal breakfast for me. I I'm just a janitor here, but I I think he's got diabetes. Yeah. I think you just twice. The the fucking janitor in here? We're breaking up. Just so we got out of here. So Yeah. God damn janitor. That's not what I'm paying for. I'm sorry. Sorry about that. Sorry that that that that mister Patrick, diabetes. Diabetes says, what we think is going on Has anyone ever told you you've had type two diabetes perhaps? You know, I've had it. I've seen thirty five other doctors and they've all said type two diabetes. Mhmm. And they've taken blood tests and said, yes, type two diabetes, but I always thought they were full shite. So I just walked out on him and came to see you. We're so glad you're here, Patrick, and we are going to tell you the same thing. Oh, now it's gonna be very upset and I have to test your skills of handling someone who's upset. I'm so upset to have type two diabetes. There's no cure. There's nothing I can do. You know what, actually, Patrick, there is something that we can You know what? Actually, Patrick, there is something that we can do. We can work with you for diet, lifestyle, exercise. There's even some medications we can get you on. Wait. Do you saying I might have to do a little bit of exercise and eat a little bit less sugar? I think we could work with someone to Then I'll fucking kill myself. I'd rather die than you. We're sorry. I'm channeling my people because that's how we feel. That's how we feel about any lifestyle enjoys. Hey, you could live a perfectly great life if you would slightly alter your diet lose a little bit of weight and maybe take a walk occasionally. They get a gun and blow their brains out. Guys, I have question for both of you. What are you watching? On TV these days. And I'm going somewhere with this. I have a point for this question. Howard Bauchner: Well, I just finished the last season of Money HEist Money heist. I love money I love Money Heist. Yeah. I've watched I've watched one season, but I I really enjoy that show. And what about you? I last night just got caught up on the morning show. Okay. Alright. Well, here's the issue I'm having. Okay? And this happened tolect during COVID, which is I started watching a lot more TV, we all started you know, binge watching stuff. Mhmm. And you sit down to watch something, and my wife and I, we start arguing and fighting about what are we gonna watch we can't find it. We're searching all over the place. And and this is leading somewhere because I'm doing an advertisement here. But this sounds like a a valuable service. It's for something called Pluto TV. It's solving a problem that I have. First of all, whenever I have to add in the special codes that that'll let me use my surface. Sona, I've called you and said, what's my code? Right? It's a disaster. It's a duress. You don't remember you don't ever remember anything, any of the time. I don't know any of my passwords. I don't know any of my codes. I forget them. I write them down. I've written them on the wall -- Yeah. -- so that they're readily available for anyone who comes in. And I forget. I forget everything. I I often don't know my last name. And so it's a struggle. Plus you gotta figure out what you're gonna watch. There's fighting. That's why Pluto TV sounds intriguing to me. Okay? With Pluto TV, you can put on your favorite channel, always know that there's gonna be something great to watch and it costs, get this Nothing. No. Wow. I don't even know how this is a business. How is this business that costs nothing? But that's that's true. It's it's It's the solution. If you're worried about all these different streaming services adding up Sona, it's gonna be costing you a fortune. It costs me a fortune. And then sometimes I use look, I'm not gonna I'm not ashamed to say it. I use my friend's passwords. And sometimes they change their passwords without telling me, and then I've got this awkward, like, hey. Yeah. Yeah. What's the you? How dare you make it difficult for me to Rob from dare you make it difficult for me to rob from you? It's just a lot. If you're gonna sign up for all those streaming services, it adds up. And so, you know. Well, check this out. Pluto TV has hundreds of free TV channels that have movies, television shows, news, sports, comedy, reality, whatever you want. Thousands of movies and TV shows available on demand. They have shows like Star Trek, they got spongebob, Squarepants. Oh, hell yeah. Guess what? It's all on your device. No emails. There's no credit cards. There's no log in your information. Log in your Social Security number. What was your secret magical code the wizard gave you? There's none of that. You just download the app or go to Pluto dot tv, and you start watching And you don't have to provide any of that nonsense. You know? It's just nice. You sit down. You watch something because you know your favorite Pluto TV channel is always gonna have a great choice. For you. It's that simple. No fighting. Sonia, how many times have you fought with your husband, Tak, over what are we gonna watch? A lot all the time. Every time we sit down and watch something, And your two babies, your twins are sitting there listening to mommy and daddy screaming at each other. Yeah. That's no way live. No. It's not. We're not sitting a good example. It's hurting our family. Pluto TV is unique. don't think there's another platform like it. I mean, I haven't done a lot of research to be honest with you, but I'm being told right now by people around me that there's nothing else like it. Yeah. So here's what I'm gonna do. Mhmm. I challenge. I challenge you guys. Okay? You, Sona, and you, David. Alright. Go to Pluto TV and I want you to take the Pluto TV challenge. I challenge each of you to go home, only watch Pluto TV, and then come back and tell me what you end up watching. Okay? So you you want me to watch TV for a change. Okay. Well, maybe happy to do it. How about this? First, accomplish the tasks I've given you to help me that you get paid for. Uh-huh. As my assistant, and then watch Pluto TV. How about that? I didn't hear the first part you said. I just heard you say watch Pluto TV, and I will do that for you. And the first thing you said was to watch Pluto TV. Yeah. So that's, like, okay. That's all I can do. Well, do that, then that's your assignment for the week. You don't have to do anything else. I'll find my own heart medication. Let's get a third assistant. Yeah. Know we could hire an can hire a third assistant. Yeah. I can't afford one. I'm paying for so many streaming channels. Hey, listen. This is the Pluto TV challenge, guys. This is what you're gonna do this week. Watch Pluto TV and then let's talk next week. Tell me what you Tell me what you watched. Okay? Okay? You think you can handle this? This is the easiest assignment I've ever given you. This is what we do anyway. True. I really think we can do this. Yeah. Alright. 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When he's on the clock, Dannick is a software engineer, but with all of his quote free time, he's allowed to be more than that or so he says. So I thought we should talk to John and see how the switch to male chimp has been going -- Yeah. -- find out exactly what he's been doing with his new free time if he even has any. Yeah. So let's bring John Dannick out here, John. How are you? I'm doing well. Thank you for having me back. I'm very excited to get into the nitty gritty of how we've been using Mailchimp. Okay. Well, I think that's got everyone listening excited. Absolutely. Yeah. Danic, how is Mailchimp working out for us? We've made the big switch to Mailchimp How's it working out for you? And be specific here. Okay. It's been great. Since launching, we started using some more advanced features that Miltrans provides. We've been doing a b testing, which is this cool thing where you can set up two variables. You can try, like, two different subjects in an email. Mailchip will send out a few, determine which one is performing better, then send that to the rest of your list. What? Isn't that interesting credit? That's incredible. You know what? I spend way too much time thinking about the subject line for my emails. Exactly. Yeah. That's incredible. By the way, if I was at a bar and you were talking like this, I'd move. Anyway, I have to say, tell us about the reporting analytics. I mean, that's the next question I would Yeah. He's really curious about you know what I love more than anything is the analytics. I love getting in there. Checking the numbers, seeing the checking the numbers, seeing the stats. You are a number are a number cruncher if I ever met one. Yeah. This is where it gets really sexy. Okay. So with every email, there's a heat map. You can see where the users are clicking, what links they're going to, For example, an interesting thing I noticed is that after our last chat, an image thumbnail for that video with me and Sona in there was at the bottom of the email but it got more clicks than some of the ones higher up on the email. Wow. Draw your own conclusion. Wow. But the data does not lie. No. So you're an incredible star is what you're saying, John. Is that right? In the email marketing podcast YouTube space, I think so. Yeah. Well, that is a very specific place to be a star. Well, that sounds like I mean so now the big question is, mister Danek, do you have more free time by switching to Mailchimp? I yeah. Yeah. It's No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Don't don't be afraid to say that you have more free time. I'm not gonna count on you. Then do you have more free time right now? Yes. I do. So so so what do you do with the new free time you have? What wondrous things are you doing? Are you curing cancer? 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Matt, don't be fooled. No. She's You're just pretending to Pete there. He said, oh, wait. He asked me your symptoms. Yeah. That's the problem, Katie. That's the problem with oh my god. Oh, there's a belly. I just I just showed us I think I think you just it's best to promise that I don't I don't think don't believe anything she says. No. Medically. I mean, that's the problem is that I bet you came home and told your partner, like, yeah. You know, I'm pregnant. He's like, yeah. Right. Whatever. Take leave your work at home. Leave your work at work. Don't bring it home. I love you. Do you like cancer then? Yeah. Yeah. Do you ever because you're probably so well versed in medical symptoms at this point. Like, get a minor symptom. You're like, oh, great. Now I have lupus. Out. Yeah. You have you have an Internet in your head at all times. Yeah. It's true. I I actually have learned a lot about the medical system and I think when we first start as SPs, we we definitely get in that, like, that WebMD mode. But over time, you actually get to know enough for you, like, oh, you know, actually, no. This is you're fine. This is what this is. This is what that This is what that is. And it's like, oh, if it's this, we need to go to the hospital right now. Got it. So I feel like more educated. So you test the doctors pretty much exclusively on being able to determine what your disease is from the symptoms. Is that the limit of what you do? I mean, that's a lot. Oh, no. We we do a lot more than that because there's a lot about bedside banner, communication skills. Also, are they able to take feedback and learn from that? And can they be directed Can they be directed essentially? So it's it's everything you need? I I have a question. Do you ever tech test their professionalism, like, start to come on to a medical student to see if they to see if they behave a prop right after the cancer diagnosis. Right. Right. Like, that's that's the time. I I have definitely tested their professionalism. Some cases are built like that, where you actually keep kind of poking to try to get more information about them. That they're able to kind of open up to you, and they have to deal with the ethics of that. Okay. But you've never said anything like, hey, you're super hot. After my after my MRI, let's go let's go get drink. And then if they say sounds good to me, you can say you flunked. That kind of thing. No, I haven't done that, but I can actually tell you, I do know people that have done that, that not flunking I haven't done that, but I can actually tell you. I do know people that have done that. Wow. That's That not not flunking them. Mind you, not flunking them. But they've they've actually and, like, this guy's cute. I'm gonna find him and I'm gonna ask him out. So this is after session. After the session. Yeah. It wasn't a a test. They were really interested. They were really interested. This wasn't a test. Yeah. Oh my. Is that amazing? I imagine. Is that how you met your husband? Yeah. You can die. Exactly. No. No. I met him through college. But but I, you know, I there were times before you really asked were you really at the college when you your husband, or were you pretending to go to college? Yeah. What's real, Katie? don't know, Katie. I don't know, you know. And, Katie, your name is Katie Culligan, which sounds like you're spreading someone who spread typhoid in the eighteenth century. You know? Yeah. You don't seem like you're married. I think it's all made up. Think everything about you. You spend so much of your life faking things that you don't even know what's real anymore. That wall behind you is just gonna fall down. No. I I've been around for a long time. I would say eight hundred years. That sounds about right. Yeah. That's fine. Gosh. Keeping it keeping it tight. So Katie, is there anything I'm very impressed by you, Katie, is there anything I'm very impressed by you, Katie, by the way. III know III really am. I'm I I sincerely am. It's this is very cool and you're very intelligent and poised, and I think it's very amazing what you do. Is there any way I can help you? Is there a question I can answer for you? You're the one with all the knowledge. I don't know why you'd ask me anything, but I'll give it a crack. Okay. So I do have question for you. I know I know we just did a bit of our own encounter, but -- Mhmm. -- if you had the opportunity to legitimately go in and be standardized patient for a day, Conan. Yep. Yep. What character and ailment would you like to portray to help educate the future doctors of America? Oh, that's a good question. I would think I would love to play someone with a mental illness. meaning that I have lots of different personalities. Yeah. Something that really because Matt will tell you that may actually be true. Yeah. I I have I'm I'm I was hoping you'd say that, so that didn't have to. But I think I might go in. It would give me also little more fun if I could go in and jump between different people and they had to figure out exactly, you know, what my my mental condition was. I think that would be more fun for me than pretending to have diarrhea, you know? That's I think I I think rather go in and have something that as an actor, I could really put my teeth into. You know? And to me, that's that would be multiple personalities, paranoia, and sudden sudden bouts of sudden bouts of insane grandiosity followed by me collapsing into utter bear and sobbing, something that would get me an Oscar. That's what I would do. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I I think you'd be actually really good at think you'd be actually really good at that. And is there a name for that besides being an actor in is there name for that besides being an actor in Hollywood? What is that? I mean, that's every odd decision. To lose the case. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I just described most of the people that I I interview and work professionally. So you can just channel all of them, put it into one encounter and really scare the students. But, you know, they need to see You know what? You should bring me in. I would do that, by the way, Okay. If you wanna bring me in sometimes and I'll just put on a mustache and and just act act like a raving lunatic. And you could Yeah. You could you could give me a couple of tips on that. Leads them to a certain kind of, oh, he's got, you know, this is a complete psychotic break or, you know, whatever the medical, you know, truth leads them to a certain kind of, oh, he's got, you know, this is a complete psychotic break or we whenever the medical, you know, truth is, I can't you could help me get there, but I would do that. I would still like that a lot. Well, I think we would love to have I think we would love to have you. And I also think that you could just do one that's yourself and you're trying to get the doctor to give you something because you're a celebrity. Oh, that's great. And I've done that with real doctors. Whereas, you know, I can tell they're kind of a fan and I'm just say, like, hey, look, you know, Maybe you got some good you maybe got some good pills or something, and I really pushed them on it to try and just, you know, score score some sweet sweet pills. Mhmm. And it often works. I often and then I resell it. I take half and I resell the rest out of my trunk. That makes sense. Hey, Katie. Before we wrap up, I hear there's a that you had a really interesting reveal for the sex of your baby. Is that right? Mhmm. This is correct. Yes. So we found out that I was pregnant back in in the spring. And my husband, Derek had a great idea. It was my favorite idea at the beginning of pregnancy. He said, what if? Instead of doing a normal gender reveal, we got Kenny G to announce the gender of our baby. Mhmm. was like, done. Yeah. So we got him on Cameo because can he use a boss on cameo? You're in doubt. I mean, he was in. Pulling down on cameo for a session. Oh, if he plays a lot. Sure. It's I think with his saxophone solo, which was important to the reveal, it was about three fifty. Okay. That feels about right. Wait a minute. Three hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm doing the mental math in my head. I'm afraid to ask. What I would get on camera. you you know? You you yeah. You'd be top tier. Okay. That's very nice. I wonder but so Kenny G, I have a question. Anytime I've checked out, someone's shown me a video from Cameo of somebody, you know, wishing somebody happy birthday. They're always in their bathroom. And there's always there's always a kind of cruddy shower curtain in the background. Two birds, one stone. Yeah. And it's just exactly. And I'm just don't know. It's just it's always these people that were on sitcoms in the eighties. Or had a or had a decent movie role in the nineties and then kinda and they're always in their bathroom and the shower curtain always looks kind of ratty. Was Kenny G in his bathroom? No. He has a studio. He's got the whole setup. And maybe it is a bathroom that looks like a studio there, so I don't know. It's gonna be a backdrop. However, he was in there. He was playing saxophone and we we asked him for one song if it was a boy, one song if it was a girl. And the songs. They were two Kenny G songs. So we did the baby g, if it was a girl, like baby girl, And then the joy of life, joy, boy. It was a bit of a a smaller order, but the joy of life of it was boy. And so when we we got my sister-in-law Caroline to be the middleman, if you will, and she got in touch with him knew the gender, and then played it on a large screen TV. And so when when Kenny G said it, I'm gonna play the joy of life. Boom. Boom. Boom. We knew we knew it was a boy. You have to be well versed in Kenny G for that to land because I would sit there and watch it and go, I still don't know what having. Do you mind if I break in for second Katie? And I would like to just with my limited knowledge of that story, I'd like to diagnose Kenny G. And my diagnosis is desperate for cash. Oh, Cool. Okay. Working on something else. Oh, no. Oh, no. He asked he asked for it. Alright. Listen, Katie. Delightful talking to you. I really am impressed by you, what you do, and I'm and and congrats congratulations on this baby boy and I wish you all the best and I sincerely hope our pets cross because I would love to screw with some medical students. I think that would be really fun. That'd be a really funny remote. So if if we could get everyone sign yeah. So I'm gonna I'm gonna track you down. We got to do We gotta do this. Alright. Hey. Here. And here. Thank you, Susan. Thank thank you so much. You're very nice. Thank you. You're very nice too. Thank you both. So nice to meet you. Bye. Kony O'Brien needs a fan with Kony O'Brien, Sonam obsessedian and Matt Gorley produced by me Mac Gorley, executive produced by Adam Sachs, Joanna Solateroff, and Jeff Ross at team Coco and Colin Anderson at your Wolf. Music by Jimmy Devina. Supervising producer, Aaron Blair. Associate talent producer, Jennifer Samples. Associate producers, Sean Doherty, and Lisa Byrne, engineered by Will Bechtman. 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