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From Relay! This is connected episode

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546 recorded on April 1st 2025.

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This week this show is brought

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I am your host Frederick Vitecci

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and I'm joined by Stephen Hackett.

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Hello, Stephen. Hello, Federico,

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how are you? I'm doing great. It's

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a very nice afternoon here today. I

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thought it was gonna rain this morning

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and it was kind of like a

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little bit windy. We don't have time

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for that because we have a

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question. from listen to Ramone, who

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wants to know from you. Federico,

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did your neighbor stop stealing the

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herbs from your plant in the

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balcony? If so, were you involved? Was

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it because you finally saw their

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hand reaching in to steal them?

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Well, let me tell you, Ramon, that

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neighbor is no more, but not because

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I had anything to do with it,

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simply because they moved. So that person,

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that I'm convinced it was stealing

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my herbs. In fact, my collection of

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herbs on the balcony has grown. We

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have mint, we have rosemary, we have

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laurel as we used to. We're thinking

1:13

about sage next. So we have quite

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the collection of herbs that we've been

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growing in our in a little,

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you know, we have a little bit

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of a collection of potted plants

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outside, but that neighbor has moved

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to a different location. So we

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have a new neighbor. This young

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girl, I don't think she's

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particularly into cooking or cooking

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with herbs, which is why,

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I mean, it's no coincidence,

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that plant seems to be

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doing much better now. So

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go figure, you know, there's

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nobody, nobody grabbing the leaves

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anymore. So I guess that

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plant is doing better. So

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yeah, that person is gone.

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They moved, they moved elsewhere. We

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have a new neighbor, she seems

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quite lovely. and she doesn't give

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off the vibe of like I'm

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gonna steal your herbs. Did you

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ever confront them? No, no. How

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would you even? Like hey, by

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any chance, do you steal my

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herbs every so often? Like how

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would you do it? You know,

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in a non-confrontational way? Like I

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don't even know. I don't even

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know. Hey, sure that, you know,

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or I guess I could have

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approached it like, sort of like

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talking around it, be like, be

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like, hey. You know sometimes cooking

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with herbs is really nice and

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like gauge their reaction I guess

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I could have done that but

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I never I never did I

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honestly like I really didn't like

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the guy for other reasons so

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yeah the the the herb stealing

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was on top of my pre-existing

2:48

dislike for that person so I'm

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glad it's resolved yeah yeah if

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important follow-up. Okay, what is it

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about? So you several weeks ago

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now told the world that you

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don't like the word Mesa when

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it comes to the thing on

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the back of the iPhone. Oh,

4:06

come on. Okay. All right. And

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then we had some anonymous feedback

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we discussed last week from someone

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who says that they worked on

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some videos for Apple who said

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that it's the plateau. Remember that?

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Well, now we have dueling anonymous

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feedback because this week who got

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anonymous feedback from a person at

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Apple who says that the quote

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camera turret. is the language that's

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commonly used. Okay, camera turret, I

4:32

will accept. I think camera turret

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has a bit of a, I

4:36

don't know, it sounds very video

4:38

game, you know, like it makes

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me think of a star fox

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or something. Like, you know, here

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comes the camera turret, you know,

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because also, like, I guess it

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works, because, hey, stay with me,

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because you're shooting pictures, you know,

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so... Whoa. Right? So, you're shooting.

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with a camera turret. I guess

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it makes sense. I had not

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thought about that. Yeah, I like

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it. Yeah, you're shooting, so you

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have a little camera turret on

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the back of your phone. Yeah,

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makes sense. I like it better.

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We also spoke about how you

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and I both want a natural

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law or phenomenon or equation, something

5:17

named after us. Right, right. Well,

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it turns out something called Snell's

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law. Oh. Snell's law is a

5:24

formula used to describe the relationship

5:26

between the angles of incidents and

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refraction when referring to light or

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other waves is a formula used

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to describe the relationship between the

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angles of incidents and refraction when

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referring to light or other waves

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passing through a boundary between two

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different isotropic medias such as water,

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glass or air. Yeah, I mean,

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duh, right? Of course, like... We

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know that so well, we can't

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even, like, explain it to you.

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like what is there even to

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explain like we all know about

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the angles of the angles of

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incidents and refraction like seriously I

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mean if you're listening to the

6:03

show you know it's it's something

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that you know the I bring

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up every so often because it's

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named after me and so thank

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you for the reminder I guess

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we just took it for granted

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you know yeah yeah interesting yeah

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good get get to brush up

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on that do you want to

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tell people about picture in pwas

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Yeah, so we got a bit

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of feedback. We were talking about

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web apps and some of the

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limitations of progressive web apps on

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Apple platforms and some of the

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differences between Apple and Android, for

6:37

example, and we got some feedback

6:39

from Anton and Anton Rodin saying

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I'm a developer at a video

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streaming service and picturing picture I've

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never worked in PWAs, even though

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they advertise it as enabled in

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browser APIs, even worse funnier, since

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around iOS 17.4 or whenever Apple

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tried to cut. PWA support in

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the European Union, when you start

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watching a video in PWA, you

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have to tap or stare at

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a screen, otherwise the device will

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lock itself due to inactivity. Huh.

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That's funny. That is indeed worse

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and funnier at the same time.

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Let me read it again. When

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you start watching a video in

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PWA you have to tap or

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stare at a screen otherwise the

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device will lock itself due to

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an activity. Stare at a screen?

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Hmm. Okay guess watch it and

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tap it every once in a

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while? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Huh. They

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have a time I guess they

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have a timeout thing going on

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in PWA. Huh. Yeah. Well. you

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know, added to the pile of

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problems. We were also, we were

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also talking about my issues with

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my vision pro, sort of thinking

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that I was traveling when I

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was using the computer at night

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and sort of asking me to.

7:53

enable travel mode. Right. Because, because

7:55

your Apple TV was showing the

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sliding landscape screensaver. Yes, the aerial

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screensaver. And Jim wrote in saying,

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I wanted to let figure out

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I had a similar moving issue

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with the meta quest three. I

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was in a Horizon workrooms meeting

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and after about 15 minutes, my

8:12

avatar started sliding left. out of

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the workspace. It kept happening so

8:16

I told everyone I'd be right

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back and quit the app. As

8:21

soon as it closed I could

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see in my pass-through that my

8:25

Mac books aerial for a screensaver

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was on and scrolling to the

8:29

right. So the Quest cameras thought

8:31

I was moving to the left.

8:34

I gave feedback to meta. So

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it's amazing. Thank you Jim. It

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seems like it's not an isolated

8:40

issue to the Vision Pro. It

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seems like all the systems when

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they see... Something that looks like

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a landscape scene from above, they

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must be thinking, you know, this

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person is looking through the window

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of an airplane. They're traveling. So

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yeah, it seems that it's quite

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a common misunderstanding in these mixed

8:59

reality systems. Very funny that in

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this case, you're not being asked

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to enable travel mode. Your avatar

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is literally sliding to the left.

9:08

There's something very amusing in my

9:10

opinion about that. Very funny. And

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how do they fix it? Like

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do... Well, I'm guessing this is

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like one of the things where

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you got to use machine learning

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to determine like, okay, what am

9:23

I seeing here? I'm seeing a

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computer and the computer shows what

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looks like a screen saver and

9:30

so the system may need to

9:32

make a decision like, okay, do

9:34

I think the user is traveling

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given the current context of my

9:38

surroundings? Or do I think that's

9:40

like an image being projected on

9:43

another screen? I do think this

9:45

is something that one of those

9:47

vision APIs, for example could easily

9:49

fix by segmenting, you know, okay

9:51

this is a computer this is

9:53

a TV the user seems to

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be seated I'm assuming that they're

9:58

looking at the screen they're not

10:00

looking at the window of an

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airplane It's so good. It's just

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so, so funny. And I would

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love to know, maybe we mentioned

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this, but I would love to

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know, like, did someone Apple come

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across this at some point in

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the development of these products? Or

10:17

was it a fun surprise for

10:19

later? Do you think it ever

10:21

happened to Mike Rockwell? I don't

10:24

know. Probably. Yeah. He's in charge

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12:57

Time to saddle up Federico. It

12:59

is rumor round up time. Yeah,

13:02

oh, that was good. The sheriff

13:04

is back back in town Mark

13:06

German himself. He's got a big

13:08

cowboy hat Strolling into our show

13:11

notes. He's got the boots, you

13:13

know, he's got the boots with

13:15

what do you call the thing

13:17

the things in the back of

13:20

the boots, you know to like

13:22

Spurs? The Spurs. He's got the

13:24

boots with the spurs and the

13:26

hat and he's back, he's got

13:29

a smoking gun, in this case

13:31

it's a report from Bloomberg. The

13:33

deadliest of all weapons. Gherman had

13:35

a lot of stuff in his

13:38

newsletter this week. I want to

13:40

start with some Macintosh rumors. Gherman

13:42

says Macbook Pro models with M5

13:44

chips will launch later this year,

13:47

probably Octoberish and then followed by

13:49

the M5 Macboger. early next year.

13:51

So I think sort of the

13:53

cadence we've been on the last

13:56

couple of years is where Apple

13:58

wants these notebooks to be, which,

14:00

fine by me, I like annual

14:03

updates. I think that's a good

14:05

move. Yeah, I mean, it sounds

14:07

like a spec bump, but I

14:09

think that's fine. I think that's

14:12

fine. You know, I think I

14:14

appreciate more to have regular boring

14:16

spec bumps than to go back

14:18

of, you know. what it used

14:21

to be years ago where you

14:23

would go years without an update.

14:25

And then every once in a

14:27

while there will be a new

14:30

Mac, even though they're boring, you

14:32

know, racing the baseline, especially now

14:34

in this highly competitive space for

14:36

when it comes to desktop computers

14:39

and maybe or laptops that need

14:41

to run like AI stuff locally.

14:43

I think it's much better to

14:45

keep up and have like even

14:48

like 10, 15% improvement year over

14:50

year rather than waiting two or

14:52

three years for a big bump.

14:54

I think this is the right

14:57

approach. And it also means that

14:59

no matter when you need a

15:01

computer, like there's probably one that's

15:03

been recently-ish updated, right? Inevitably, your

15:06

laptop would die like two years

15:08

into the Mac book air. It's

15:10

like, no, I don't want to

15:12

buy, I know there's going to

15:15

be a new one. German does

15:17

say that in contrast to the

15:19

M5 sort of spec bump generation

15:22

he's expecting, that 20, uh, 26

15:24

with the M6 chip. Could be

15:26

much more exciting, complete with an

15:28

Oled display up from many LED,

15:31

which we have now, and being

15:33

thinner machines as well, which is

15:35

really interesting to me, you know,

15:37

when they went to the current

15:40

generation sort of style, I was

15:42

super happy about it, like you

15:44

get ports back, the battery life's

15:46

incredible. They're really not that thick

15:49

and heavy like I don't really

15:51

have complaints not you know a

15:53

14 inch map of pro is

15:55

my main computer. And looking at

15:58

that computer really the only thing

16:00

that I think if they really

16:02

were to slim it back down

16:04

like the HDMI port. sort of

16:07

the first thing they run into.

16:09

And I, for one, even though

16:11

I don't use the HMI port

16:13

on my laptop hardly ever, I

16:16

think that's a really important port

16:18

to have, is, you know, people

16:20

are hooking these things up to

16:22

screens and to projectors and meeting

16:25

rooms and meeting rooms and meeting

16:27

rooms and stuff. And I just

16:29

don't know if getting rid of

16:32

the HMI port is a good

16:34

move at this point. So I

16:36

kind of have my eyebrow raised

16:38

at that a little bit, but

16:41

M6, you know, would be a

16:43

number of years from this current

16:45

design. So I think we're probably

16:47

getting close to a time for

16:50

a refresh of some of some

16:52

sort. Yeah, I really don't know

16:54

what they should do with the

16:56

HDMI port because like you mentioned

16:59

like it's a Macwood Pro Pro

17:01

users want that kind of flexibility

17:03

You're obviously running into the limits

17:05

of the physical size of the

17:08

HDMI connector, which is in a

17:10

way It's also what's happening on

17:12

mobile devices with the physical size

17:14

of the HDMI connector, which is

17:17

in a way It's also what's

17:19

happening on mobile devices with the

17:21

physical size of USBC. good solution

17:23

for this, other than say, well,

17:26

you can just use a dongle,

17:28

but I feel like we've been

17:30

here before. And I think, you

17:32

know, you can probably shave off

17:35

a couple millimeters more, but by

17:37

basically having the HDMI connector being

17:39

almost flush with the thicker side

17:42

of the MacBook Pro, I think

17:44

realistically that's what Apple's gonna do.

17:46

You know, make the computer lighter,

17:48

make the display lead a little

17:51

bit thinner, but probably not get

17:53

rid of the HDMI connector. Yeah.

17:55

I think that's probably probably about

17:57

right. Oled is exciting. I mean,

18:00

many LEDs amazing. The other kind

18:02

of like potential upside with Oled

18:04

is even better battery life. And

18:06

so that's kind of another thing

18:09

like thickness also means battery. Does

18:11

the Oled offset that. It does

18:13

make me. increasingly sad about the

18:15

state of the studio display, being

18:18

basically like the 5K IMX, like

18:20

an LCD display. But yeah, the

18:22

macro pro continues to push forward.

18:24

And I think that's, I think

18:27

that's a good thing. I mean,

18:29

it is, it's a very important

18:31

computer in Apple's lineup. Unless, I

18:33

mean, and I'm gonna say something

18:36

absolutely cursed here. Okay. Unless you

18:38

plugged in HDMI from the bottom.

18:40

You know how the magic mouse

18:42

charges? Oh yeah. There's a connector

18:45

at the bottom. Yeah, no, that's

18:47

cursed. Yeah. That is cursed, but

18:49

you know, that's one way to

18:52

make to make the MacBook Pro

18:54

thinner while also retaining the HDMI

18:56

connector. You know, you say that

18:58

the HDMI port is like this

19:01

pretty long, like the part that

19:03

goes in the port. It may

19:05

be longer than laptop is thick.

19:07

Well, what about, what about periscope,

19:10

HDMI port. There it is. Absolutely

19:12

horrible. Don't do it. German also

19:14

talks about an M5 at iPad

19:16

Pro. What's going on here? So

19:19

it seems like we are going

19:21

to be getting later this year,

19:23

German says sometime around October, an

19:25

M5 iPad Pro spec bump. And

19:28

it's going to. keep the same

19:30

design as the M4 which we

19:32

just mentioned incredibly thin design all

19:34

at display uh... tandem all in

19:37

fact as they call it on

19:39

leopard row uh... but it looks

19:41

like we are uh... gonna see

19:43

just like on the macbook line

19:46

that we mentioned a few minutes

19:48

ago we're gonna see a spec

19:50

bump of the ipet pro to

19:52

an M5 for a bigger update

19:55

at some point in 2027 with

19:57

the M6... and the second version

19:59

of the apple cellular modem the

20:01

C2 fun so like here's here's

20:04

a thing though like spec bump

20:06

on the Mac I understand because

20:08

there's plenty of things that you

20:11

can do on MacOS to take

20:13

advantage even of a spec bump.

20:15

How do you take advantage of

20:17

a spec bump on on iPad

20:20

OS with the iPad pro? Given

20:22

that the M4, the M4, like

20:24

is the iPad pro limited by

20:26

the M4? Absolutely not. I know

20:29

plenty of people who are still

20:31

using like that M1, iPad pro

20:33

and they're completely fine. I really

20:35

don't know. Unless, like, there's something

20:38

in I, in I, in I,

20:40

I, but I was 19 and

20:42

I feel, I don't do that

20:44

to yourself. I feel, no, no,

20:47

no, I'm not doing this to

20:49

myself. I'm just, like, is there

20:51

going to be anything in I,

20:53

I'm, I'm, I'm, like, is there

20:56

going to be anything in I,

20:58

I, I'm for, already. So I

21:00

think it's just, it follows the

21:02

same conversation, the same conversation with

21:05

the same conversation that we had

21:07

with, refresh it, it's a spec

21:09

bump, it's always gonna be the

21:11

iPad, it's always gonna be the

21:14

iPad OS, but you're not gonna

21:16

be able to tell, you know,

21:18

maybe you're gonna have a final

21:21

cut for iPad export going from

21:23

one minute and 20 seconds down

21:25

to one minute and ten seconds,

21:27

cool, people who care, cool, but

21:30

like the one thing, the one

21:32

thing that I could see is

21:34

maybe the M5 enabling more RAM

21:36

at the high end. or more

21:39

storage options for maybe, but then

21:41

again we go back to that

21:43

idea like, okay, well, more multitasking

21:45

on the M5 iPad Pro, there's

21:48

plenty of power already for that

21:50

on the M4 iPad Pro and

21:52

they're not taking advantage of it.

21:54

AI is a different conversation, like

21:57

if the M5 supports more, but

21:59

see the thing is, even when

22:01

I'm saying this, I don't believe

22:03

it. That's the problem. So I

22:06

just think it's going to be

22:08

a spec bump and that's it.

22:10

What if it folded? No, just

22:12

kidding, we can't do that today.

22:15

The thing that's most exciting to

22:17

me about this iPad part of

22:19

his report is M6 and C2,

22:21

like, did those come together? Could

22:24

we get them in a Mac?

22:26

Is that why the MacBook Pro

22:28

is getting redesigned for the M6?

22:31

Like, so you don't connect with

22:33

the dots, Federico? Probably right. I

22:35

don't know. I think it's interesting

22:37

that we're... Like, we're not going

22:40

to see the M6 in 2026

22:42

then. We're going to go, we're

22:44

going to get the M5 in

22:46

late 2025 and then go a

22:49

full year until we see the

22:51

M6. Interesting. Or maybe it's 18

22:53

months, maybe it's in the spring.

22:55

Right, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Let's shift

22:58

gears to software a little bit.

23:00

And German also reported that IOS

23:02

19's code name. is Salarium. Salirium?

23:04

Salarium? Salarium. Salarium. In Italian it's

23:07

solarium. So that's... We're going with

23:09

that. Okay. Which as you know,

23:11

as an architecture officinado, that it's

23:13

a room with a bunch of

23:16

glass in it to let light

23:18

in. You know, the new OS

23:20

could look like frosted glass. Very

23:22

exciting. So I look at this

23:25

rumor and maybe the code name

23:27

doesn't mean anything. That's what Ben

23:29

Lovejoy, who ironically wrote a very

23:31

Killjoy piece on 9-5 Mac, says.

23:34

The IOS code name sounds like

23:36

it means something but doesn't. Okay

23:38

Ben, let us have some fun,

23:41

man. Yeah. I don't know. It

23:43

is a pretty interesting coincidence when

23:45

you know what a solarium is.

23:47

I continued to bring up this

23:50

theory that I shared a couple

23:52

of episodes ago here on the

23:54

show that... Like, okay, so if

23:56

the idea is to have a

23:59

more translucent transparency, why? that sort

24:01

of lets you is inspired by

24:03

Vision OS and we talked about

24:05

Vision OS like what is it

24:08

about Vision OS? The thing about

24:10

Vision OS is that it shows

24:12

you the context of your digital

24:14

surroundings and by digital I mean

24:17

it's like this mixed reality environment

24:19

where it's both your physical reality

24:21

as showcase by pass-through but also

24:23

the windows like the overlapping windows

24:26

that you have in Vision OS.

24:28

So if we are bringing that

24:30

philosophy to iOS and this thing

24:32

is called Solarium. as a code

24:35

name. And a solarium is a

24:37

structure made of glass that lets

24:39

the light in. So if we're

24:41

letting the light in according to

24:44

the code name, like, and I

24:46

shared this a few weeks ago,

24:48

but what about letting the literal

24:50

light in? And this is the

24:53

idea that I shared like, what

24:55

if Apple really truly built a

24:57

system that is using some kind

25:00

of camera, like some kind of

25:02

extremely low power consumption, ambient sensor

25:04

or a camera that analyzes your

25:06

surroundings, capture your surroundings as you're

25:09

using your phone in your hand,

25:11

and sort of makes the iOS

25:13

UI sort of blend or, you

25:15

know, be contextual to what's physically

25:18

around your phone. This idea of

25:20

like, imagine that you have your

25:22

iPhone in your hand and sort

25:24

of like with this system. the

25:27

bezels almost disappear in your hands

25:29

and it looks like your phone

25:31

and specifically the interface of the

25:33

phone is blending in with the

25:36

environment around it I think it's

25:38

I think it's a it's a

25:40

almost sci-fi adjacent theory I think

25:42

it would be pretty cool like

25:45

on a phone but I have

25:47

another secondary theory that I'm bringing

25:49

into the show today because I

25:51

think it makes a little bit

25:54

more sense I could

25:56

see a scenario in

25:58

which this redesign is

26:00

a... a bit of

26:03

a training ground for

26:05

Apple, because this kind

26:07

of UI that lets

26:09

the light in, blends

26:11

in with your surroundings,

26:13

sure, makes perfect sense

26:16

on the Vision Pro,

26:18

could be applied to

26:20

other operating systems, but

26:22

it sure seems like

26:24

the perfect opportunity to

26:27

start testing a UI.

26:29

that would make a whole lot

26:31

more sense if you were to

26:33

project interfaces in glasses. If you

26:35

were to, so let's say you're

26:38

Apple, right? And you know what's

26:40

coming down the pipeline. You know

26:42

what's coming out in three years

26:44

or four years. And you know

26:46

you're working on these mini glasses,

26:48

the camp project, you know. could

26:50

be something widget-sized, could be something

26:52

very small, project a little UI

26:54

in front of your eyes. It

26:56

sure would make sense for that

26:58

UI to blend in and to

27:00

sort of have the VisionOS style,

27:02

sort of contextual tinting and accent

27:04

colors based on what is physically

27:06

around you, what your eyes are

27:09

physically seen. And I'll give you

27:11

one more Stephen. This kind of

27:13

contextual UI would also make sense

27:15

for a little appliance. that you

27:17

put in your kitchen or that

27:19

you put in your living room.

27:21

You know, you're buying a home

27:23

pot with a screen or you're

27:25

buying a little apple robot as

27:27

the sheriff likes to call it,

27:29

it sure would make sense if

27:31

the interface that you saw on

27:33

those displays would blend in a

27:35

little better with your physical space

27:37

in your home. I mean, I

27:40

love it. I think this would

27:42

be, it would be so cool

27:44

to have your device and your,

27:46

your, your, your, your, your, your,

27:48

your, your, sort of shift and

27:50

adapt to where you are. Like

27:52

in a way it's the end

27:54

game set up by Iowa 7.

27:56

Remember, one of the big things

27:58

in Iowa 7 was. Your wallpaper

28:01

would tent the UI that came in

28:03

front of it. So like on the

28:05

lock screen if you did the pen

28:07

code The buttons like if your wallpaper

28:09

was like kind of blue and

28:12

green the buttons would kind of

28:14

be blue and green right and yeah

28:16

Over time that got dialed down

28:18

and down same thing on the Mac

28:20

with the sort of the

28:23

translucency and stuff we saw kind

28:25

of after the sort of like

28:27

in the El Capitan days like

28:29

back then a lot of translucency

28:32

and that's been dialed up

28:34

and down over time but having

28:36

it react to the real world

28:38

is like is like next level

28:40

and I think it would be

28:42

really cool I would I would

28:45

love it. Here you're saying like

28:47

you mentioned the wallpaper in Iowa

28:49

7 but here we are essentially

28:51

saying what if your wallpaper was

28:53

your wallpaper? you know could be

28:55

your nightstand. I would have a

28:57

phone that looked like like my

28:59

furniture to be to be honest

29:01

you know yeah I don't know

29:03

it's hey maybe we are like not

29:05

even reading between the lines we

29:08

are writing an essay between the

29:10

lines here but like I think

29:12

there's something to the idea of

29:14

let's actually take the the digital

29:16

interface and make it blending

29:18

with your physical environment I

29:20

think there's something to that

29:22

idea that goes beyond the

29:24

vision pro I think it would

29:27

obviously make a lot of sense

29:29

for glasses, but I think

29:31

screens that you hold or

29:33

screens that you place in

29:35

an environment could also take

29:37

advantage of this. Okay, hear me out.

29:40

The new Siri interface, right,

29:42

it has like the gradient rainbow

29:44

around the outside of it

29:46

to distract us from the fact

29:48

that Siri is still bad. Okay.

29:51

If the UI is tinted by

29:53

your surroundings, then like Siri is

29:55

like. more present in

29:57

your space and when you're wearing glasses it

29:59

would be like around the edges

30:01

of your glasses just like it

30:04

would be on your phone like

30:06

you sold me I don't know

30:08

if any of this is true

30:11

but I want it to be

30:13

true now just very exciting so

30:15

if I'm using my phone in

30:18

the yeah using your phone in

30:20

the green in your green room

30:22

I know each of your rooms

30:25

in your house is a different

30:27

color because you're in architecture no

30:29

no I'm just thinking about what

30:32

series would look like if I

30:34

were to use my iPhone in

30:36

the bathroom well I mean If

30:38

you're in the bathtub, you know,

30:41

it's like, right, bubbly, right, right.

30:43

But to be, to be fair,

30:45

though, there is a serious point

30:48

here to be made about like,

30:50

if Apple were to actually make

30:52

an IOS UI that takes in

30:55

the visual cues of your surroundings,

30:57

there is a privacy angle that

30:59

Apple needs to tread extremely carefully.

31:02

Like. There's there's so much potential

31:04

for people to misinterpret this idea

31:06

and be like wait does it

31:09

mean that my phone is always

31:11

looking at me and My my

31:13

iPhone design looks like what it's

31:16

what the camera is looking at

31:18

like it's an extremely dangerous slippery

31:20

slope from a from a public

31:23

perception standpoint That is a I

31:25

would say is the the biggest

31:27

downside of this theory like how

31:30

can you even sell it in

31:32

a way that doesn't sound creepy?

31:34

Maybe they're doing like, hey, we're

31:37

going to pick the three, you

31:39

know, sort of most prominent colors

31:41

and like, yeah, build the UI

31:44

off of that. Like not actually,

31:46

I mean, like you said, you're

31:48

sensing the light, like not actually

31:51

like a camera pass through, but

31:53

like a vibes pass through. Yeah,

31:55

vibes, vibes pass through. It's going

31:58

to be fun. It's going to

32:00

be a fun summer, unless you

32:02

build apps in which case, and

32:05

maybe a very long summer. Max,

32:07

iPads, software. We now get to

32:09

the part of the roundup where

32:12

I wish I could just leave

32:14

town. Gurbin reports on Project Mulberry.

32:16

Okay. Code names, you know, maybe

32:19

they mean things, maybe they don't.

32:21

Mulberry is a plant, I looked

32:23

it up that does things. Okay.

32:26

Planty things. It's got leaves and

32:28

stuff, you know, plant, I'm not

32:30

a scientist. Project Mulberry is a...

32:33

wide and broad project to build

32:35

a new health coach and health

32:37

sort of apparatus for users. So

32:39

German describes a new health coach

32:42

as a quote an AI agent

32:44

that will again quote replicate your

32:46

real doctor. Okay. So this is

32:49

an update to the health app

32:51

that would include things like food

32:53

tracking, which I think it would

32:56

be a good addition. to the

32:58

health app, it would be like,

33:00

you know, like the health app

33:03

can do step tracking and sleep

33:05

tracking, but predominantly plus plus plus,

33:07

you know, more powerful, better applications

33:10

for it. I think there's still

33:12

be room for food noms and

33:14

others to succeed, do some basic

33:17

food tracking in the health app,

33:19

or like better integration. Those apps

33:21

can see activity and they can

33:24

count calories into health, maybe there's

33:26

something there. So I'm for more

33:28

data collection and data connection in

33:31

Apple Health in Apple Health. Where

33:33

I sort of struggle is making

33:35

recommendations and giving feedback on that

33:38

data, that feels like a very

33:40

potentially slippery area. And Apple's looking

33:42

to do this with a new

33:45

AI agent that's being trained on

33:47

data managed by Apple hired physicians.

33:49

You know, Apple has medical doctors

33:52

working there. They also are looking

33:54

to hire quote outside doctors. to

33:56

create videos for the new health

33:59

app so like maybe you're you

34:01

have to have your appendix out

34:03

and you can find a video

34:06

from a doctor telling you about

34:08

the appendix and appendicitis and the

34:10

surgery and that sort of thing.

34:13

German says these videos will play

34:15

to help explain concerning health trends

34:17

to users and a very specific

34:20

note that it will be recorded

34:22

in a new facility in Oakland

34:24

California. So I guess they have

34:27

a health space there. Apple

34:29

also wants to find a

34:31

quote, major doctor personality to

34:33

serve as a host for

34:35

the new service. Oh, major

34:37

doctor personality. Yeah. I mean,

34:39

I don't know what Dr.

34:41

Oz is up to. Yeah,

34:44

I was literally about to

34:46

say Dr. Oz. Oh, he

34:48

is the president's nominee to

34:50

serve as the administrator for

34:52

Chief's Medicare and Medicaid services.

34:54

Yeah, things are going great.

34:56

Things are going great. Yeah,

34:58

a major doctor personality. Yeah,

35:00

I'm on his Wikipedia page.

35:02

He ran for Senate in

35:04

2022 and just used the

35:06

Dr. Ah show logo, but

35:08

instead of show, said US

35:10

Senate, like it's the same

35:13

logo. Sure. I mean, it

35:15

is a show. A show.

35:17

So here's the thing. I

35:19

hate all of this. I

35:21

just, I think, I mean,

35:23

the more stuff in Apple

35:25

Health and making it easier

35:27

to use, that's all really

35:29

good. And Apple Health is

35:31

a very powerful part of

35:33

the iPhone platform in particular.

35:35

I do feel weird about

35:37

apps and services giving users.

35:39

Like recommendation. So one thing

35:42

I love about the Apple

35:44

watch right if it detects

35:46

like an issue with your

35:48

heart, right? It has the

35:50

the monitor and I can

35:52

say, hey, you know, we

35:54

noticed this AFIP thing, like

35:56

you should go get it

35:58

checked out, and your whole

36:00

history of it's in Apple

36:02

Health, any time you run

36:04

an EKG, it's saved in

36:06

Apple Health, you can go

36:08

over it with your care

36:11

provider. That's just really powerful,

36:13

and like it literally saves

36:15

lives, like we've heard from

36:17

listeners whose lives have been

36:19

saved by their Apple watches.

36:21

Things like crash detection, right,

36:23

that I tested for the

36:25

show a couple of years

36:27

ago, like good powerful features.

36:30

But that feels different than recommending

36:32

a user change in their lives,

36:35

their diet or their habits or

36:37

whatever based on that information. That

36:39

feels like it should be left

36:42

up to a medical professional. And

36:44

then you mix AI into it.

36:46

Federica, I lost my mind. This

36:49

was, this came out, and we

36:51

were talking last week about how

36:53

Syria doesn't know what month it

36:56

is. Like, this feels... At

36:58

this point with where we

37:00

know where Apple is with

37:02

AI, this feels incredibly ridiculous

37:04

for them to be taking

37:07

on as a project. Am

37:09

I off base with any,

37:11

like, am I just being

37:13

an old, an old dad

37:15

here? And no, I don't

37:17

think you are. I think,

37:19

so here's the thing, obviously

37:21

a lot of people, I've

37:23

read a lot of stories

37:25

of people going to Chagipity

37:27

or Claude to talk about

37:29

their, medical issues and try

37:31

and get a second opinion

37:33

in terms of diagnosis and

37:35

like figuring out things that

37:37

actual doctors were unable to

37:39

figure out. Like I saw

37:41

I think a week ago

37:43

a thread and read it

37:45

but someone who and you

37:47

know this person posted screenshots

37:49

and everything of what they

37:51

did. but like this person

37:53

was was saying that they

37:55

had a rare medical condition

37:57

they you know years that

37:59

you know this these problems

38:01

had been driving them crazy

38:03

and they were able to

38:05

to get to a solution

38:07

just by talking, you know,

38:09

over and over and sending

38:11

sensitive data to, I think

38:13

it was cloud, I don't

38:15

think it was chagibity. But,

38:17

you know, people, people are

38:19

doing this. Now, are a

38:21

lot of people doing this?

38:23

I don't think so. Should

38:25

people be doing this? Probably

38:27

not. Because I feel like

38:29

when it comes to actual

38:31

treatment and diagnosis. You do

38:33

need to go see a

38:35

proper doctor. There is an

38:37

argument to be made for...

38:39

This is such a complex

38:41

political thing. There is an

38:43

argument to be made for

38:45

different parts of the world

38:47

having different access to health

38:49

care, right? It may be

38:51

extremely cost prohibitive for, say,

38:53

a lot of folks in

38:55

the United States to say,

38:57

you know... spare no expense,

38:59

I'm gonna go see all

39:01

the doctors I can to

39:03

get to the bottom of

39:05

this, right? And if that's

39:07

impossible to do, I could

39:09

see someone who's desperate or,

39:11

you know, doesn't have any

39:13

other options to say, well,

39:15

you know, let me spend

39:18

20 bucks on the fancy

39:20

version of child GPT and

39:22

have a long conversation, maybe

39:24

this thing can help me

39:26

figure out my problems. Like

39:28

I said, it's a very

39:30

complex thing, especially when you

39:32

consider how, like, in an

39:34

ideal world, everybody should be

39:36

able to go see 50

39:38

different doctors if they are

39:40

unable to get to the

39:42

bottom of an issue. Still,

39:44

I feel like the problem

39:46

here is that Apple doesn't

39:48

exactly have the best pedigree

39:50

when it comes to artificial

39:52

intelligence. They do have the

39:54

incredible work that they have

39:56

done with the Applewatch, with

39:58

health kit, with sensors. with

40:00

you know, atrophibulation, all the

40:02

health studies that they have

40:04

done. They have the data,

40:06

they have the hardware, but

40:08

I feel like building a

40:10

doctor agent is maybe for

40:12

them right now, a bridge

40:14

too far, like how would

40:16

you sell this to people

40:18

when you cannot even figure

40:20

out your basic assistant, right?

40:22

They have a perception problem

40:24

right now when it comes

40:26

to the basic stuff and

40:28

to go from being unable

40:30

to deliver on the AI

40:32

promise with basic stuff to

40:34

well, I guess we're building

40:36

a health coach and a

40:38

doctor agent that is going

40:40

to live on your device

40:42

and it's going to give

40:44

you actual recommendations. You know,

40:46

it feels like one step

40:48

too far for them, right

40:50

now. What I guess I'm

40:52

saying is that I think

40:54

there is potential in the

40:56

idea, especially when you consider

40:58

how a lot of medicine

41:00

is about ingesting data, looking

41:02

at patterns, visualizing images, dealing

41:04

with a lot of text,

41:06

dealing with a lot of

41:08

previous cases. And I say

41:10

this as someone who in

41:12

his life has produced a

41:14

lot of documents for doctors

41:16

to analyze and study. I

41:18

have been part of case

41:20

studies and experimental medicine, experimental

41:22

treatments, I've done all of

41:24

that. And I know that

41:26

it involves a lot of

41:28

research, a lot of academic

41:31

papers and text and images

41:33

and opinions. Those are the

41:35

sort of things that large

41:37

language models excel at. If

41:39

you go back and read,

41:41

for example. A few months

41:43

ago, the CEO of Antropic,

41:45

the company behind Claude, Dario

41:47

Amode, published this really popular...

41:49

popular really long essay called

41:51

The Machines of Love and

41:53

Grace, where he tried to

41:55

extrapolate, like given the strengths

41:57

of large and good models,

41:59

they see incredible potential for

42:01

AI as applied to research

42:03

and medicine in the future.

42:05

And so I do see

42:07

the argument for that. I

42:09

do see, especially when it

42:11

comes to unlocking access to

42:13

a semi, you know, not

42:15

even semi, but a pretty

42:17

reliable digital. diagnose tool to

42:19

all kinds of people living

42:21

in you know all kinds

42:23

of countries around the world

42:25

with different health care systems.

42:27

I do see the potential

42:29

but it still makes me

42:31

feel a little bit awkward

42:33

because it's yet another thing

42:35

that we are potentially replacing

42:37

humans with so there's also

42:39

that conversation going on and

42:41

it's coming from Apple. Right

42:43

now in 2025 the company

42:45

that doesn't exactly have a

42:47

great track record when it

42:49

comes to AI They do

42:51

have a stellar track record

42:53

when it comes to wearables

42:55

and sensors and health kit

42:57

But I feel like maybe

42:59

they're biting off more that

43:01

they can chew right now

43:03

Do I make sense here

43:05

Stephen? I think we're in

43:07

agreement there Yes, it could

43:09

potentially unlock care for people

43:11

in new and interesting ways,

43:13

important ways. But it feels

43:15

like Apple in particular is

43:17

not the company to do

43:19

this. And to your point,

43:21

people have been googling health

43:23

symptoms forever, right? There's a

43:25

reason the meme is like,

43:27

I looked on WebMD and

43:29

I'm gonna die, right? Yeah,

43:31

yeah. Any, any WebMD is

43:33

like a Plinko machine, but

43:35

the only thing at the

43:37

bottom is like. terrible cancer

43:39

diagnosis, right? Yeah. I just,

43:42

the amount of trust you

43:44

have to have in a

43:46

platform. with your health is

43:48

so high, right? There are

43:50

already people who struggle with

43:52

that, right, who for good

43:54

and understandable and logical reasons

43:56

may say, you know what,

43:58

I don't want my fertility

44:00

information in an app or

44:02

on my phone, right? This,

44:04

if in the in the

44:06

end game version of this,

44:08

it's like that time of

44:10

thousand, that times a thousand.

44:12

Now, if they start small,

44:14

And I could see a

44:16

world where, because there are

44:18

apps that do this sort

44:20

of thing, is like you

44:22

set a goal. Like, hey,

44:24

Apple Health, you know, I

44:26

would love to, you know,

44:28

I'd love to lose 10

44:30

pounds this year, or I

44:32

would like to walk 10,000

44:34

steps a day. And like,

44:36

then they can use this

44:38

technology and all the inputs

44:40

they have from your Apple

44:42

watch and your other health

44:44

apps and food tracking, whatever.

44:46

And then it can guide

44:48

you towards that goal. That's

44:50

a good thing. Like one

44:52

of our sponsors this week

44:54

is football to something that

44:56

they do in their app

44:58

That I think is reasonable

45:00

and even good, but it's

45:02

the replicate your doctor language

45:04

That just like really made

45:06

the hair on the back

45:08

of my neck stand up

45:10

and I also Okay, so

45:12

so the other angle to

45:14

all this that that really

45:16

I sort of am struggling

45:18

with and I just I

45:20

had the thought this morning

45:23

Apple's executives are all getting older,

45:25

right? They're spending much of time

45:28

in doctor's offices. And at least

45:30

here, when you go to a

45:32

big doctor's office, there's TVs on

45:35

in the lobby, right? And they

45:37

always play one of three things.

45:39

The news, some sort of like

45:42

food network thing, or like endless

45:44

health programming. Is Apple just trying

45:46

to replicate that? We have food

45:49

and Apple News Plus now with

45:51

iOS 18.4. We're going to talk

45:53

about other releases in a second.

45:56

You're going to have... You're gonna

45:58

have now you're gonna have like

46:00

a host of your Apple Health

46:03

video series like I just I

46:05

don't know man something about a

46:07

bunch of this just kind of

46:10

hits me the wrong way and

46:12

I think there's a lot of

46:14

potential upside to it but the

46:17

down potential downsides to me feel

46:19

so like all encompassing it's like

46:21

maybe it's not worth the upside

46:24

to risk the downside I just

46:26

don't know. No, no, I don't

46:28

know. But don't worry, Federica, they're

46:31

not going to replicate me with

46:33

an AI, not yet. Okay, you

46:35

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46:38

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48:39

Now would be time for the

48:42

details, but these software releases are

48:44

out. So it's just regular news.

48:46

Just regular details. Yeah. Oh, that's

48:49

good. You want to tell it's

48:51

about all these software releases? It's

48:53

a point four week out here

48:56

in Apple Land. Yeah, so all

48:58

the point fours, uh, this isn't

49:01

people saying that watch was 11.4

49:03

is not actually out yet. I

49:05

was going to say, I tried

49:08

updating, I updated my, my phone

49:10

was already on the beta, but

49:12

updated on my iPad last night

49:15

and went to go to my

49:17

watch and just like wasn't available.

49:19

See, I don't know. Okay, all

49:22

right. Yeah, so, so, uh, uh.

49:24

Maccrest 15.4, IOS and Epidos, 18.4,

49:26

Visionos, 2.4, WatchOS, 11.4 in theory,

49:29

and the TVOS, what is it,

49:31

18.4 also on TVOS. We have

49:33

an article on Mac stories by

49:36

John, sort of recapping the highlights.

49:38

These are not huge upgrades for

49:40

European users, I guess the big

49:43

change is the availability of Apple

49:45

intelligence in more languages. I can

49:47

now use Apple intelligence in Italian.

49:50

But I want also because I

49:52

use my phone in English So

49:54

beyond that there's the new Apple

49:57

News Apple News Plus food channel

49:59

which we previously mentioned it's got

50:01

recipes from some global publishers. You

50:04

can browse them in Apple News

50:06

Plus. There's a recipe catalog that

50:08

allows you to like browse, search

50:11

your recipes, save them in a

50:13

save the recipes section. There's a

50:15

cooking mode, which is basically, as

50:18

we mentioned before, like inspired by

50:20

the Apple Music lyrics screen that

50:22

allows you to follow cooking directions.

50:25

It's the same screen, which I

50:27

absolutely love. Yeah, and there are

50:29

of course like editorial curation going

50:32

on with stories about restaurants, stories

50:34

about like healthy eating habits, that

50:36

sort of stuff. The six new

50:39

emoji that we previously covered with

50:41

our little game, including the one

50:43

with a tired face, which is

50:46

an incredible banger of an emoji.

50:48

In image playgrounds, God bless that

50:50

little. Stupid app. You can now

50:53

use this, you can now use

50:55

the sketch style illustration. Go check

50:58

out the incredible and by incredible,

51:00

I mean awful examples that John

51:02

tested in the story on Mac

51:05

stories featuring me as a farmer.

51:07

Or I guess, you know, a

51:09

person who pretends to be a

51:12

farmer, especially the one with the

51:14

head in the sketch style really

51:16

takes the crown. I find it

51:19

kind of amusing that Apple is

51:21

sort of releasing this and kind

51:23

of bragging about it in the

51:26

press release days after Chad GPT

51:28

image generation to like two completely

51:30

different timelines going on here. And

51:33

then it's just like, oh, and

51:35

I guess there's the Vision Pro

51:37

app on your iPhone that allows

51:40

you to browse like recommended apps

51:42

for your multiple vision pros, if

51:44

you have. Multiple vision if you

51:47

happen to be a millionaire and

51:49

you have multiple vision pros You

51:51

can you can you can you

51:54

can see those like in the

51:56

watch app You can see multiple

51:58

Apple watches. Yeah And then it's

52:01

just like a grab bag of

52:03

stuff. Like on the Mac and on

52:05

the iPad, you can see the categories

52:07

in Apple Mail. Or turn them off

52:09

if you don't want them. Turn them

52:12

off. The Vision Pro as the

52:14

spatial gallery app that has like

52:16

a collection of immersive videos, spatial

52:18

photos, the panoramas. There's some like

52:20

behind-the-scenes footage from severance, some third-party

52:23

content from Red Bull, like that

52:25

sort of stuff. Yeah. I think

52:27

the spatial galleries are a really

52:30

good addition to VisionOS. I mean...

52:32

that stuff was sort of scattered

52:34

around like some of it was

52:36

in the video's app and having

52:39

it all in one place is

52:41

good it does highlight kind of

52:43

how thin this collection is right now

52:45

yeah but I think it makes a lot

52:47

of sense and it's you know Vision OS

52:49

1.0 in hindsight really was missing a

52:51

lot of like kind of important

52:54

things I think this is one of them

52:56

like this this is a really good addition

52:58

and makes a lot of sense and I

53:00

think it's great I agree, I agree.

53:03

What else is there? If you

53:05

have a matter enabled robot vacuum,

53:07

you can now add it to

53:10

home kit. You can turn it

53:12

off, turn it on. You do

53:14

not have, there's not like a

53:16

proper mapping integration to

53:18

see, you know, the map

53:21

that the robot vacuum built

53:23

over your house in home

53:25

kit, but at least you

53:28

can control them. So that's

53:30

nice. And yeah, there's like

53:32

an expansion of Apple Intelligence,

53:34

more languages, the sketch style,

53:36

the priority notifications, which I

53:38

turned off because I don't

53:40

trust the system. Are you

53:43

using priority notifications? No, I

53:45

don't even have AI summaries

53:47

on notifications. I just, I find

53:49

it all kind of infuriating. Yeah, yeah.

53:51

So it's obviously like not to

53:53

the point for updates that we

53:55

were expecting, say like three months

53:58

ago, we were all convinced. Oh,

54:00

it's going to be a

54:02

big point for release with

54:04

all the new AI stuff

54:06

and the personalized contextual series

54:08

stuff. Instead, it's a miscellaneous

54:10

update, really. You got a

54:12

bunch of things here and

54:14

there and the new emoji,

54:16

but honestly, not that exciting.

54:18

And that's just, I don't

54:20

think we're going to get

54:22

anything more exciting than this

54:24

before WWDC at this point.

54:26

Yeah, this seems like kind

54:29

of the closing chapter for

54:31

these OSAs. I mean, there's

54:33

a story that like point

54:35

six is running around, but

54:37

I think we're kind of

54:39

in bug fixed land now

54:41

until yeah, at least until

54:43

WWDC. I don't think there's

54:45

any more major features. Yeah,

54:47

overall though, I think it's

54:49

good like like the Vision

54:51

OS stuff. Obviously we have

54:53

new emoji playgrounds. What it's

54:55

just a toy like it.

54:57

Open eye text. or image

54:59

generation now, like it can

55:02

do text and like not

55:04

look like gibberish. And like

55:06

they got sketch style out

55:08

here. I mean, the one

55:10

of you in the middle

55:12

of John's story with like

55:14

the little jaunty straw hat

55:16

is so, so bad. Yeah,

55:18

I know, right? I know.

55:20

Well, yeah. Big releases though.

55:22

Yeah. You've got that Mac

55:24

Mini and MacSadian we spoke

55:26

about last week. Do you

55:28

run your software update remotely?

55:30

How'd that feel? I haven't

55:33

done it, actually. I guess

55:35

I gotta do it, right?

55:37

Yeah. You got a Mac

55:39

in your life again. Yeah,

55:41

I do. Oh man. Well,

55:43

happy updating everybody. It is

55:45

now time for Ask Connected.

55:48

All right, Stephen, so Tom wants to

55:50

know, hi, I'm a new listener of

55:52

Connected, so maybe this has never been

55:54

covered. But about Stephen's pot cabin? Is

55:56

there a minifridge in there? I mean,

55:58

beyond the Max and recording equipment, is

56:00

it a... to just hang out? That's

56:03

a great question. And the answer is

56:05

there's no mini fridge. I have thought

56:07

about it, but I would just keep

56:09

like water and drinks in it and

56:11

the noise I think would be concerning.

56:13

Also it's not very big. It's like

56:15

200 square feet in here. Like it

56:17

is not, it is not big. In

56:20

terms of hanging out, I actually don't

56:22

hang out out out here. So like

56:24

if Mary has like girlfriends over, they're

56:26

gonna have a movie night or something.

56:28

And I've got work. I'll come out

56:30

here, but if I'm gonna read or

56:32

do something else like I'll just like

56:35

go hide in our bedroom. I treat

56:37

this as my workplace like I only

56:39

come out here when it's time for

56:41

work. And I've been that serious about

56:43

it for so long now. Like if

56:45

I on occasion, you know, I'll have

56:47

a friend over and maybe it's raining

56:49

or the kids are doing something inside

56:52

and like okay. We'll

56:54

hang out in the office. It

56:56

feels weird. It feels like my

56:58

brain is revolting against it a

57:00

little bit. So, yeah, not really

57:02

a hangout space, but it would

57:04

be cool. It'd be a cool

57:06

hangout space, that's for sure. Yeah,

57:08

okay. Up next we have a

57:10

question from Brian. Do either of

57:12

you have overall life advice for

57:14

starting habits? Mostly finding the time

57:17

to do a hobby, start a

57:19

fitness routine, or eat better. What

57:21

tech or apps do you use

57:23

in any of these habits that

57:25

you may have? My advice is

57:27

probably not what you're looking for

57:29

Brian. My advice is pretty simple.

57:31

Don't use any apps. Don't use

57:33

any habit tracker. Don't use any

57:35

lists. Just convince yourself that is

57:37

something that you want to do.

57:39

The biggest catalyst for a change

57:41

that you want to bring in

57:44

your life is you need to

57:46

be. Deep down inside, you need

57:48

to be convinced that you want

57:50

to do it. And if you

57:52

have that conviction, it becomes a

57:54

habit by itself. If you don't,

57:56

you can distract yourself with a

57:58

habit. you can distract yourself with

58:00

a productivity angle that makes you

58:02

feel good for a couple of

58:04

days and then those like missed

58:06

badges keep piling up in the

58:08

app just you know just convince

58:11

yourself about something that you want

58:13

to do and on a more

58:15

practical level I mean I guess

58:17

it depends on the habit right

58:19

but if it's something that doesn't

58:21

need to happen every day perhaps

58:23

at the beginning don't do it

58:25

every day. just say okay I'm

58:27

gonna do this twice a week

58:29

and be flexible you know obviously

58:31

if it's something that you need

58:33

to do every day that needs

58:35

to start like that but if

58:37

it's something like oh I want

58:40

to work out more like do

58:42

it twice a week also because

58:44

like don't push yourself too hard

58:46

you know yeah to go from

58:48

never working out to working out

58:50

every day that's gonna be bad

58:52

for your body so like just

58:54

be convinced you know start simple

58:56

be convinced and be consistent about

58:58

it even if it just twice

59:00

a week You you I guess

59:02

what I'm trying to say is

59:04

that you don't need a habit

59:07

tracker if the habit tracker is

59:09

by default your brain so. Yeah

59:11

I think the biggest thing is

59:13

like you have to set it

59:15

as a priority and you got

59:17

to be willing to move other

59:19

things around to make that possible

59:21

so like if your goal is

59:23

to you know work out three

59:25

times a week like put it

59:27

on your calendar but just know

59:29

that you got to say no

59:31

to other things to say yes

59:34

to it and You've got to

59:36

make it top of mind. B.G.

59:38

asks if your Audi is producing

59:40

a podcast about Apple and Tech,

59:42

what do you think your any

59:44

is podcasting about? Interesting. So my

59:46

Audi is producing a podcast about

59:48

Apple, tech, and video games. So

59:50

my any cannot also produce podcasts

59:52

about video games. I think my

59:54

any. So

59:56

let's say a brand new

59:59

personality based on me Doesn't

1:00:01

know anything about what I

1:00:03

do. What would it do?

1:00:05

Yeah My any would do

1:00:07

a podcast about I Don't

1:00:09

know I'm fascinated by like

1:00:11

conspiracy theories Not in the

1:00:13

sense like I believe in

1:00:15

conspiracy theories. I'm fascinated by

1:00:17

the people who believe them

1:00:19

Right so like debunking conspiracy

1:00:22

theories. I'm fascinated by the

1:00:24

people who believe them Right

1:00:26

so like debunking conspiracy theories.

1:00:28

That's what I would do

1:00:30

Okay, I do you apologize

1:00:32

about that. Yeah, I just

1:00:34

want to know like, maybe

1:00:36

we are in these and

1:00:38

we just don't know it

1:00:40

yet. Wait, so there's like

1:00:42

another version of us out

1:00:45

there, out there, and so

1:00:47

our life is the, is

1:00:49

planet Earth, Luman? Is that

1:00:51

what you're saying? I don't

1:00:53

know. I don't know what

1:00:55

I'm saying. Huh. It's all

1:00:57

very, very hard to know.

1:01:00

God, what a good show,

1:01:03

Federico. Your Audi once recorded

1:01:05

a podcast and people clapped.

1:01:08

Your Audi's friend revealed a

1:01:10

tattoo live on stage. Stephen,

1:01:13

what would your Amy do

1:01:15

a podcast about? Any do

1:01:18

a podcast about? I mean,

1:01:20

he's me, right? But he's

1:01:23

like a younger immature version

1:01:25

of me, because he's only

1:01:28

a few years old. I

1:01:31

don't know, maybe like Lego? Lego.

1:01:33

Or emo music. Or emo music.

1:01:35

Like high school emo music. I

1:01:38

mean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:40

Actually, you know, same. That's all

1:01:42

things considered, like a younger version

1:01:44

of me, probably do a podcast

1:01:47

about that. It's like the fascination

1:01:49

with people who believe conspiracy theories.

1:01:51

It's something that I developed as

1:01:53

an adult. So yeah. It would

1:01:56

actually, I think we would both

1:01:58

do a part. about like dashboard

1:02:00

confessionals or demean, or that sort

1:02:02

of stuff. There you go. That's

1:02:04

perfect. That's perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Stephen

1:02:07

finally, Logan wants, you know, why

1:02:09

do so many podcasts have such

1:02:11

terrible show notes? Relay has spoiled

1:02:13

me with links, chapters, dynamic artwork.

1:02:16

Why do all of these other

1:02:18

seemingly high budget podcasts I listen

1:02:20

to putting seemingly zero effort to

1:02:22

the show notes? Thank you, Logan.

1:02:24

We do work hard on that.

1:02:27

Yeah. I mean, just look at

1:02:29

this week's chapter art, like I've

1:02:31

done a bunch of jokes across

1:02:33

all the chapter art. Like instead

1:02:36

of the details, it said the

1:02:38

details. Anyway, if I may answer

1:02:40

this, I think it's the same

1:02:42

difference between reading like an indie

1:02:44

blog or an indie site like

1:02:47

ours, like 512 or Max Stories,

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and the time and care we

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put into links or footnotes or

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like sections. versus bigger publications to

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just write in Google Docs and

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just publish the output from a

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story that was created in Google

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Docs. I think it's a format

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thing. I think it's an indie

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thing. I think people like us

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tend to gravitate toward plain text,

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RSS, and mark down and therefore

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really take advantage of the spec.

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that is underneath and doing that

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out of two things. One is

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we're nerds and two we want

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to produce the kind of stuff

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that we as listeners would like

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to receive and so we try

1:03:29

to put that out for our

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listeners. I think that's really well

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said. I think that we we

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value that sort of thing and

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our business model allows us the

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time and opportunity to do it.

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Right, if you're doing some big

1:03:45

podcast and like you need people

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to go to your website for

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some other reason or you. have

1:03:51

dynamic ad insertion so like your

1:03:53

chapter markers don't work. There's lots

1:03:56

of things that we do in

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the way that we've structured things

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so we can make the shows

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that we want and we've been

1:04:05

very fortunate enough to be able

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to continue to do that. And

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hopefully forever like we always want

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to make these shows the way

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we make them and we yeah

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we try hard. It does drop

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me bananas like if I'm listening

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to another podcast like oh I

1:04:22

would love to learn more about

1:04:25

this thing. There's like... The only

1:04:27

thing on the show notes is

1:04:29

information about their sponsor or... Yeah,

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incredible. Yeah. Like, come on, just,

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just do it. Well, I think

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that does it for this week's

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episode. If you have feedback, you

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can send it to us at

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can find us on social media

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and our websites. Federico is the

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editor and Chief of Mac Stories.

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and I am the writer over

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at 512 pixels.net. Federico hosts a

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bunch of podcasts in the greater

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app stories universe. App Stories is

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a must listen for me each

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and every week. So go check

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that out and you can find

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me on Mac power users as

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well. Like to thank our sponsors

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next time, say goodbye. Bye.