0:00

Good morning. This is Tim Cook,

0:02

and definitely not some weird

0:04

AI voice clone thing. I'm just

0:06

sending this voice note to confirm

0:08

that, yes, it was because of

0:10

Stephen. Don't worry. I'm not upset

0:13

that the I-Cloud team rushed to

0:15

get my attention while I was

0:17

in the middle of looking at

0:19

some important charts. It didn't bother

0:22

me at all being told

0:24

that the International Tech Podcast

0:26

put us on blast for

0:28

not being able to merge

0:30

Apple accounts. Really, I'm not.

0:33

And I am definitely not going

0:35

to sneak Federico, the answers in

0:37

the next rickies, as a way

0:40

to get back at you. Also,

0:42

you can have my humane AI

0:44

pin Stephen. I think it's still

0:46

unopened. From

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Relay, this is connected episode 541.

0:56

Today's show is brought to you

0:59

by our three excellent sponsors, Google

1:01

Gemini, Incogni, and ECAM. I'm your

1:03

annual chairman, Federico Withichi, and it's

1:05

my pleasure to be joined today

1:08

and for the next few months

1:10

by the one and only Mr.

1:12

Stephen Hackett. Hello, Stephen. Hello, Federico,

1:15

how are you? I am doing fantastic. How

1:17

about you? I'm good. We should start

1:19

the show with some congratulations.

1:22

We should, we should,

1:24

and obviously congratulations

1:27

to us. Yes. No,

1:29

to us for enduring.

1:32

No, congratulations to the

1:34

Hurley family. Obviously, Mike

1:36

and Adena had their

1:39

beautiful baby, Sophia was

1:41

born last Saturday, right?

1:44

Unexpectedly last Saturday on

1:46

February 22nd, Mike posted

1:49

a beautiful photo on

1:51

Instagram and also then

1:54

posted on the other

1:56

social networks. I don't

1:58

know if I used It kind of

2:01

feels unreal to know that, and

2:03

I mean in this in the

2:05

best possible way, that Mike is

2:08

a father because we've been through

2:10

so many things together, the three

2:12

of us, right? And it's just

2:15

a beautiful thing that Mike and

2:17

Adena have entered this new chapter

2:20

of their family and this new

2:22

chapter of their lives. I cannot

2:24

imagine because another father I cannot

2:27

imagine what it feels like you

2:29

obviously I think maybe you have

2:31

a much better sense than I

2:34

do because not only do you

2:36

have you have three children so

2:38

I am just so happy for

2:41

Mike and Adina I think it

2:43

seems like they they have received

2:46

an outpouring of love from our

2:48

community and yeah so congrats Mike

2:50

and Adina and welcome Sophia. Yes

2:53

welcome Sophia yeah I got a

2:55

text. Very late from him. She

2:57

was a few days away I

3:00

think, but everyone's good. I spoke

3:02

to him yesterday, their home. And

3:04

yeah, it's so exciting. I am

3:07

just so so happy for them

3:09

and can't wait to meet little

3:12

Sophia at some point in the

3:14

future. Yeah. You think she has

3:16

takes on a... iPhone colors or

3:19

anything? Okay. Okay. We need to

3:21

clarify. We need to address something

3:23

immediately. Are we allowed to make

3:26

Mike as a father and Sophia

3:28

jokes already? Like, is that okay?

3:30

I mean, I don't... I think

3:33

it's okay. Okay. Perfect. Just, you

3:35

know, I need it for future...

3:38

material. Oh, okay. I thought maybe

3:40

you had one cute up. Like

3:42

no, no, I do. I do

3:45

have some cute up. Like it's

3:47

it's been killing me not to

3:49

be able to share these jokes.

3:52

But yes. Yeah, maybe, you know,

3:54

can wait to see Sophia WWDC.

3:56

What happens first? Sophia can talk

3:59

or, uh, series has appotents. Now,

4:01

this is just savage from you.

4:04

My money is on Sophia. Yeah,

4:06

me too. What is a baby,

4:08

if not a large language model,

4:11

really? Well, yes. Kinda. Stephen, can

4:13

we talk about the Apple C1?

4:15

Please. I'd love to. So we

4:18

shared I think last week two

4:20

weeks ago when we talked about

4:22

the the new iPhone 6c carrying

4:25

the brand new Apple-made modem the

4:27

C1 modem We shared this conspiracy

4:30

theory that was also reinforced by

4:32

friend of the show and my

4:34

colleague Otij on Mastodon that maybe

4:37

it was the C1's fault that

4:39

the iPhone 6c does not have

4:41

mag safe charging because maybe the

4:44

modem is big and there's not

4:46

enough room for Apple to fit

4:48

Mac safe charging in there. Well

4:51

it seems like Apple also saw

4:53

these conspiracy theories floating around on

4:56

social media and other websites and

4:58

they issued a statement to Macworld

5:00

saying Apple has confirmed to Macworld

5:03

that the C1 modem is not

5:05

responsible for the decision to leave

5:07

Mac safe charging off the new

5:10

iPhone 6C. Okay so it's not

5:12

you know not the C1's fault.

5:14

It's a decision from Apple. And

5:17

we also obviously saw some other

5:19

reports from German and from other

5:22

sources saying that this is obviously

5:24

just the beginning of Apple rolling

5:26

out their in-house modems on new

5:29

devices. Obviously it sounds like the

5:31

new iPhone 17 lineup of devices

5:33

coming out at some point in

5:36

September will all carry... Apple made

5:38

modems and it seems like the

5:40

it seems like the reasonable thing

5:43

for Apple to do now now

5:45

that I saw a video on

5:48

YouTube from from a youtuber who

5:50

was able to tour the facility

5:52

because you know you know Apple

5:55

for everything they make they have

5:57

a facility and they were able

5:59

to take a tour about the

6:02

fancy rooms that they have for

6:04

testing cellular signal testing interference like

6:06

all that sort of stuff so

6:09

Apple has built a whole structure

6:11

to test these modems they have

6:14

spent a lot of money over

6:16

the course of many many years

6:18

and it just makes sense for

6:21

Apple to now have this technology

6:23

and roll it out on as

6:25

many devices as possible. and reduce

6:28

their reliance on Qualcomm or whoever

6:30

was making their modems before. Yeah,

6:33

yeah, it was Qualcomm. Yeah, Apple's

6:35

wanted to get away from Qualcomm

6:37

forever. There have been fights between

6:40

the companies, you know, there's a

6:42

pretty big licensing fee for Qualcomm

6:44

and obviously Apple wants to control,

6:47

you know, every bit of vital

6:49

hardware they can. And now that

6:51

Apple Silicon is like enforced, the

6:54

modem is obviously the next thing

6:56

in that line, but... My favorite

6:59

thing about this, this Ruuders article,

7:01

it's in the show notes. I

7:03

just love looking at all the

7:06

stuff. Like, there's a picture of

7:08

Johnny Suruji and an unnamed Apple

7:10

engineer looking at this like IMac

7:13

and they're doing some sort of

7:15

thing. Like all this stuff behind

7:17

them, there's like a siliscopes and

7:20

like surfers and yeah, it's pretty

7:22

cool. That first photo, that first

7:25

photo in the article of the

7:27

person standing in front of a

7:29

rack of shelves with a bunch

7:32

of iPhones, it looks like one

7:34

of those photos for like a

7:36

content farm of somebody playing like

7:39

50 different instances of Farmerville on

7:41

a phone or something like that.

7:43

It looks like that type of

7:46

setup. It just a whole bunch

7:48

of iPhones. Doing something with the

7:51

modem obviously and also some rack-mounted

7:53

Mac old Mac meanings. I think

7:55

yeah Yeah, it's the old design

7:58

Yeah, everything is clear acrylic all

8:00

the stands and it's like someone

8:02

cleaning that like can you imagine

8:05

the thing? print situation in this

8:07

room? Those are nice looking stands.

8:09

Yeah, how much money do they

8:12

spend on stands? I bet they're

8:14

making themselves. I bet they got

8:17

like a laser cutter for sure.

8:19

Oh, for sure. And for sure,

8:21

like, and also the cable management

8:24

is absolutely on point in this

8:26

photo. Like, really good job. Yeah,

8:28

so that's the C1. Do you

8:31

think we're gonna see with the

8:33

iPhone 17? Are we gonna see

8:35

the C1 or the C2 already?

8:38

Yeah, that was really interesting to

8:40

me that they would brand it.

8:43

I don't think I would have

8:45

guessed they gave it a number.

8:47

Like what happens if the C2

8:50

isn't ready for like five years?

8:52

I mean, I don't know if

8:54

we'll see the C2 in the

8:57

iPhone 7, you know, maybe this

8:59

will be in every few year

9:01

thing. I really don't know, but

9:04

it is, it was very interesting

9:06

to me that they branded it

9:09

as if it were at an

9:11

Apple Silicon system on a chip.

9:13

How much money do you want

9:16

to bet? on the fact that

9:18

in a few years they will

9:20

skip the naming of the C4.

9:23

Do you want to have a

9:25

C4 in your phone? Yeah, yeah,

9:27

I did. I had not thought

9:30

about that, but that's very, that's

9:32

very good. We're going from C3

9:35

to C5, C4, never had. Maybe.

9:37

Was it, wasn't there talk, This

9:39

was years ago now, there's like,

9:42

I forget what the number is,

9:44

there's an unlucky number, like in

9:46

Chinese culture, and people are like,

9:49

oh, Apple's gonna skip that phone

9:51

number, and they didn't, maybe it

9:53

was the seven, I don't know,

9:56

13. Didn't I see, am I

9:58

hallucinating this, didn't I see Ben

10:01

Thompson or somebody else, post something

10:03

about this in the context of

10:05

AI, it's the number four, which

10:08

is spelled, D, D-I-E, like the

10:10

word die. and it's the unlucky

10:12

number. There was a joke about

10:15

Antropic, the AI company, not shipping

10:17

Claude 4, because 4 in Chinese

10:19

isn't unlucky numbers, something like that.

10:22

So yes, I think that is

10:24

the unlucky number also. Maybe. But

10:27

obviously, C4 is a bad name

10:29

for something that goes into your

10:31

phone with a battery. It is.

10:34

Yes, just, you know, note seven

10:36

vibes. We got to talk about

10:38

taxes now. Are you excited? Yes.

10:41

I couldn't wait. So Lex, who

10:43

is the proprietor of Ricky's.co, one

10:45

of our scoring websites, Lex also

10:48

much taller than I imagined. I

10:50

met Lex in London this summer.

10:53

Are you taking Mike's thing now?

10:55

No. Taller than Mike. I mean,

10:57

everyone's taller than Mike. Sophia is

11:00

taller than Mike, but we have

11:02

to stop. Lex wrote in on

11:04

episode 540. You were shocked by

11:07

European iPhone prices. I agree. It's

11:09

expensive and lots of people around

11:12

me find it hard to justify

11:14

getting a new one. I was

11:16

wondering though, these US prices, these

11:19

US prices, all sides, sorry, I

11:21

lost my train of thought, we

11:23

leave that in. I was wondering

11:26

though, these US prices that sites

11:28

quote, they are excluding tax, right?

11:30

Obviously this is different per state,

11:33

but most Americans pay more than

11:35

what the price tax says. How

11:38

does that calculation and psychology go

11:40

in your heads, particularly with Stephen?

11:42

Well, I'm a Stephen. I can

11:45

answer this. So in Tennessee, the

11:47

state sales tax is 7%. And

11:49

then my local government has 2.75%

11:52

sales tax on top of that.

11:54

It's actually as high as the

11:56

state will allow a local government

11:59

to have a sales tax. So

12:01

sales tax where I live in

12:04

Memphis on most things. is 9.75%

12:06

and that may sound really high

12:08

to you if you live in

12:11

the US and other states. but

12:13

Tennessee does not have an individual

12:15

income tax. And so they make

12:18

up for that in high sales

12:20

tax. So I don't pay individual

12:22

income tax in Tennessee, but I

12:25

pay almost 10% sales tax on

12:27

everything. And I just mentally add

12:30

10% to everything. Like I don't

12:32

even think about it. Like when

12:34

I saw this question in the

12:37

feedback form, I was like, I

12:39

had to like think like, oh

12:41

yeah, I just add 10% just

12:44

in my brain. And I haven't

12:46

even thought about that in years.

12:48

Like that's just what it is.

12:51

And I would imagine most people

12:53

in the US, if they have

12:56

sales tax, not every place does,

12:58

like, I think it's Oregon, does

13:00

not have state sales tax. Shout

13:03

out to Oregon. Shout out to

13:05

Oregon, and, you know, but they

13:07

make it up, the state makes

13:10

it up in other ways, right?

13:12

They're taxing you in other areas.

13:14

So that's what it is for

13:17

me, and I have just totally

13:19

internalized it, as someone who has

13:22

only lived here, and, you know,

13:24

that is what of this. All

13:26

right. Exciting. Big news. Huge news.

13:29

Huge news. Are we ready for

13:31

this? Are we doing this? We're

13:33

doing this. Let me start with

13:36

some follow-up. listener Brian wrote in

13:38

and said, 48 megapickle needs to

13:40

be your next shirt design. We

13:43

have gone so much further than

13:45

that. Yes. I have gone into

13:48

the archives and we are re-releasing...

13:50

Basically, every t-shirt in the show's

13:52

history. So we have technology should

13:55

be colorful. I don't stand by.

13:57

We have gum drops, which is

13:59

the shirt we did with the,

14:02

when I was collecting all the

14:04

iMacs, that one is tweaked a

14:06

little bit. I had to, first

14:09

of all, the original artwork had

14:11

a yellow iMac which never existed,

14:14

so I replaced it with a

14:16

graphite one. And that show, originally,

14:18

that shirt had us, has like

14:21

cartoon characters in front of it,

14:23

and I got rid of those.

14:25

due to printing issues and so

14:28

it's just the IMAX. We have

14:30

Take a Test Flight, which is

14:32

the I've been testing the shirt

14:35

for a few weeks. We have

14:37

two tiny head shirts. Yes. We

14:40

have Return of the Tiny, which

14:42

is just the standard black print

14:44

on a bunch of different colors.

14:47

And then we have Tiny Head's

14:49

Special Edition, which is a black

14:51

shirt and the Tiny Heads Art

14:54

Work is done in six colors.

14:56

So, like the classic Apple logo.

14:58

And then our newest shirt is

15:01

organic mega pickles. It's pickles in

15:03

a jar, but it's also a

15:06

camera lens. Organic mega pickle has

15:08

to be one of the best

15:10

things you've ever made. Stephen. We

15:13

have gone through you and I

15:15

in secret, obviously, in secret from

15:17

Michael. We have gone through many

15:20

iterations of the mega pickle. to

15:22

land on a design that couldn't

15:25

be confused with anything else. That's

15:27

right. And obviously you have the

15:29

mega pickles in a jar and

15:32

you know there's one, there's two

15:34

sliced pickles but one of them

15:36

is also a camera because it's

15:39

a mega pickle. And the organic

15:41

and the logo, the design looks

15:43

absolutely amazing on the green t-shirt.

15:46

I am so... I'm just so

15:48

happy to see these stupid jokes

15:51

all together in a single page

15:53

where people can go in and

15:55

buy these t-shirts. And I think

15:58

Stephen, we should pitch our listeners

16:00

on these t-shirts, right? And there's

16:02

multiple degrees of pitching that we

16:05

could do. And let me just

16:07

say that I have some some

16:09

ideas But the the kind of

16:12

pitch that are prepared Only I

16:14

am allowed to do it because

16:17

I am going to use some

16:19

politically incorrect jokes that I can

16:21

do because I have internet insurance,

16:24

which means that I cannot be

16:26

canceled for saying certain things. That

16:28

is a concept that I came

16:31

up with internet insurance should be

16:33

a thing. For example, one way

16:35

that I would pitch our listeners

16:38

on these t-shirts is. Mike's family

16:40

is starving and they need your

16:43

money. They're all starving, you know,

16:45

and it's a it's a it

16:47

is what it is and we

16:50

are releasing these t-shirts to make

16:52

sure that especially Mike and especially

16:54

Mike because obviously all the food

16:57

is going to Sophia and so

16:59

Mike is hungry right now. Mike

17:01

is starving and the money goes

17:04

a long way toward buying whatever

17:06

food they buy in the UK,

17:09

you know. pasta at what's the

17:11

name of the supermarket, Tesco or

17:13

something, something like that. Is that

17:16

a gas station? Is that a

17:18

gas station? I don't know. No,

17:20

I think it's a supermarket. I

17:23

don't know. Or I could say

17:25

that you buy these t-shirts, because

17:27

let's face it. We used to

17:30

say that we were the greatest

17:32

podcast, the world's greatest podcast, right?

17:35

I would argue that a few

17:37

years have passed. That status has

17:39

remained. But I mean, look inside

17:42

you, look deep down inside yourself

17:44

and ask yourself this question. Do

17:46

I listen to any other text

17:49

show that is as funny and

17:51

as lovable as connected? I think

17:53

you know the answer. And the

17:56

answer is connected is the funniest

17:58

text show you listen to on

18:01

a weekly basis. So we deserve

18:03

your money, arguably, right? because we

18:05

make you laugh. I mean, you

18:08

know, you can listen to a

18:10

text show that talks about... about

18:12

file systems every week. You could

18:15

listen about a tech show about,

18:17

you know, power users of the

18:19

Mac. No offense, Stephen. No, not

18:22

taken. You could listen to a

18:24

tech podcast about, I don't know,

18:27

regulation or something, but no, we

18:29

make you laugh. And that's the

18:31

world's greatest currency, I would say.

18:34

And so why? The answer is

18:36

not, should I buy the connected

18:38

t-shirts. The question is not that.

18:41

The question is, why wouldn't I?

18:43

So, that's my pitch. Okay. I'm

18:45

gonna get canceled for a whole

18:48

bunch of reasons. I mean, can't

18:50

help you. Yeah, all those reasons.

18:53

So, shirts are on sale now.

18:55

There's a link in the show

18:57

notes. Pre-orders are open through March

19:00

14th. So we'll remind you a

19:02

few more times. This is kind

19:04

of the standard cop-bure thing where,

19:07

you know, you pre-order and then

19:09

they print them and ship them

19:11

out. Please go buy a shirt.

19:14

It would mean a lot to

19:16

us. Yes. Oh, how do you

19:19

think Mike's going to take this?

19:21

I think he will put up

19:23

this pretense that is upset. We

19:26

should factor in the fact that

19:28

he is sleep deprived at the

19:30

moment. So maybe his first reaction

19:33

won't be exactly nice. I don't

19:35

know. I do view this as

19:37

a test to see how quickly

19:40

he's listening to podcasts Yes, like

19:42

if it takes him eight days

19:45

to be mad at us Then

19:47

there we know I would also

19:49

say I would also say the

19:52

listeners should buy these t-shirts To

19:54

prove a point to Mike That

19:56

you and I were right? you

19:59

know, about doing merch again? Like

20:01

get the satisfaction of showing Mike

20:04

that connected is the kind of

20:06

show that can sell merch. Yeah.

20:08

Yeah, it's not just cortex. It's

20:11

not just cortex. You know, we

20:13

can sell products even if they're

20:15

not fancy notebooks. Well, big news.

20:18

No, we don't have a notebook.

20:20

What if I just bought a

20:22

bunch of cortex notebooks and like

20:25

put connected stickers on them and

20:27

put them back for sale? How

20:30

would you call it? I don't

20:32

know. The, the, the, so they

20:34

have the theme system, the theme

20:37

system journal. We could do, so

20:39

they do, they do themes. I

20:41

don't know, we could do, we

20:44

could sort of, sort of do

20:46

it the exact opposite that they

20:48

hate. We're gonna call it like

20:51

resolution something. Oh, yeah. That's good.

20:53

Yeah. You know, with all these

20:56

themes. No, we love resolutions. We

20:58

love resolutions. We love resolutions. We

21:00

love them. Yeah, resolute, you know,

21:03

the resolute notebook. Done. Honestly, that's

21:05

a good thing. That is a

21:07

good name. See, yes, please go

21:10

buy shirts. Don't, don't, don't make

21:12

us regret this. We love you.

21:14

Don't listen to my jokes. We

21:17

appreciate you and, you know, we

21:19

don't expect you to buy all

21:22

the t-shirts, but also we wouldn't

21:24

mind. Wouldn't mind. I cannot wait

21:26

to, uh, to see these in

21:29

the world. Yes, especially organic mega

21:31

pickles. It's really good. We went,

21:33

we had a whole day basically

21:36

where I was working in Illustrator.

21:38

I'd like send you something, it

21:40

was fun. I don't think I've

21:43

looked at as many drawn pickles

21:45

as I did in those two

21:48

hours of my life. That illustrator

21:50

document has lots of bad ideas

21:52

in it and then we finally

21:55

landed on it. Yes, yes. This

21:59

episode. of connected is brought to

22:01

you by Google Gemini. I tried

22:03

Gemini a couple of days ago,

22:06

Gemini Live where you can talk

22:08

to it, and it's really wild

22:10

to have a full-on conversation with

22:12

this thing. I was asking it

22:15

to give me ideas for hosting

22:17

during the holidays, and when it

22:19

starts giving your results, you can

22:21

just stop it and say something

22:24

like, okay, well, what about something

22:26

a bit more low-key for a

22:28

smaller group? Then it adjusts to

22:30

that, and you can just keep

22:33

going until you get an idea

22:35

that you want. I think that's

22:37

what I would use it for

22:39

the most, brainstorming things. It's so

22:42

good if you don't know where

22:44

to start, you hit a wall

22:46

with something, you just go to

22:48

Gemini and it helps you get

22:51

the ball rolling again. But you

22:53

can use it for all kinds

22:55

of stuff. If you want to

22:57

learn something new, you can have

23:00

it give you advice, ask it

23:02

to explain something like Bitcoin in

23:04

simple terms, or you can have

23:06

it quiz you on something like

23:09

microbiology. I mean, imagine being a

23:11

student being a student and you've

23:13

got this personal tutor on hand.

23:15

You really have to play around

23:18

with it, see how it listens,

23:20

responds, and adapts to your style

23:22

of conversation. Just try it out,

23:24

it's free, or thanks to Google

23:27

Jim and I for the support

23:29

of the show. Ah, so can

23:31

we talk about can we talk

23:33

about Wi-Fi 7? Sounds good. You

23:36

know, just completely switching gears. So,

23:38

long story short, I have upgraded

23:40

to Wi-Fi 7, but let me

23:42

explain why. I had been using

23:45

for about a year. a Wi-Fi

23:47

6E system. I had one of

23:49

those fancy very capital G gamer

23:51

routers by Aesus with all the

23:54

antennas sticking out that almost looks

23:56

like a robot that wants to

23:58

kill you. Yeah, those are upsetting.

24:00

They're very upsetting. Thankfully, I hid

24:03

it in a cabinet so that,

24:05

you know, people wouldn't be able

24:07

to see that robotic spider providing

24:09

the Wi-Fi. And it worked. Okay.

24:12

Okay. Okay. I wouldn't say well

24:14

because they're very expensive and I

24:16

gotta tell you the... for the

24:18

price, I was probably expecting better

24:20

performance. But the problem with the

24:23

Wi-Fi 6C system that I had

24:25

is that after about a year,

24:27

I was basically annoyed with all

24:29

the issues that I was encountering

24:32

with latency and range. I don't

24:34

know if it was a problem

24:36

specific to the Wi-Fi 6C standard

24:38

or it was an issue of

24:41

the riders or my placement, I

24:43

don't know, but I was... I

24:45

was having all kinds of trouble

24:47

streaming my PS5, streaming, you know,

24:50

from the cloud for cloud gaming,

24:52

and even just, you know, being

24:54

able to, being able to have

24:56

good range inside the apartment, which

24:59

is not a huge apartment, it's

25:01

like 95 square meters, don't ask

25:03

me about square feet because I

25:05

have no idea, but it's not,

25:08

like, I don't even mention, I

25:10

leave on a single floor, and

25:12

the moment that I went into

25:14

my bedroom, like, Sylvia, for example,

25:17

sleeps on the side of the

25:19

bed, that is the farthest away

25:21

from the office, where I had

25:23

the satellite rider, and she would

25:26

constantly drop back to 5G, because

25:28

the Wi-Fi couldn't hold the connection

25:30

there. And it's like, that seems

25:32

not ideal, given that like, there's

25:35

like, well, 10 meters in terms

25:37

of distance and two walls, but

25:39

like these two walls usually have

25:41

the door open. It's the walls

25:44

man, 6E, like 5 gigahertz just

25:46

struggles through walls. 5 and 6

25:48

gigahertz both. That's what I also

25:50

realized over time. So I started

25:53

doing my research and I started

25:55

looking at Wi-Fi 7 and I

25:57

started doing some research in terms

25:59

of looking at the best options

26:02

because I was like if I'm

26:04

gonna spend money these Wi-Fi 7

26:06

routers are really expensive. But I

26:08

figured if I want to spend

26:11

money I gotta get at least

26:13

something that is gonna last me

26:15

not a year but ideally like

26:17

I don't know two years or

26:20

three years before Wi-Fi 8 or

26:22

whatever comes out. Let me tell

26:24

you there were some really expensive

26:26

options. The consensus on the... internet

26:29

is that aces continues to make

26:31

the best options for Wi-Fi 7

26:33

but a pair of those aces

26:35

riders was 1600 euros oh what

26:38

1600 for two units and combining

26:40

you know the fact that this

26:42

price was insane with the fact

26:44

that I didn't have a good

26:47

experience with a good experience with

26:49

a I'm not going to get

26:51

the Aces once and I should

26:53

look at other options. And I

26:56

saw that the second best that

26:58

was frequently recommended was from a

27:00

brand that I had never personally

27:02

used but a lot of people

27:05

in my real life were vouching

27:07

for and that is the T.P.

27:09

Link Deko line. Specifically, the B.E.

27:11

85. So. I was very intrigued

27:14

by these models because I knew

27:16

one of them I was going

27:18

to keep in the living room

27:20

cabinet hidden from you. But the

27:23

other one I knew that I

27:25

had to compromise. For the past

27:27

year the aces one was also

27:29

hidden in my office cabinet. I

27:32

have this small cabinet under my

27:34

desk. But I figured if my

27:36

video game console is plugged into

27:38

this secondary unit. And I want

27:41

to make sure that when I'm

27:43

in the bedroom I get the

27:45

best possible Wi-Fi, probably this unit

27:47

doesn't have to be inside a

27:50

wooden cabinet. It has to be

27:52

outside. And if it had to

27:54

be outside, it had to look

27:56

nice. That was my only request.

27:59

Like it has to look not

28:01

like a robot that wants to

28:03

kill me. It has to look

28:05

minimal. It has to look nice.

28:08

and the TIP link Deco B

28:10

E 85 it's basic a pretty

28:12

bare bones, chunky, tall, white cylinder.

28:14

Yeah, that's inoffensive. It's yeah, it's

28:17

it looks like I don't know,

28:19

it's a it's a it's a

28:21

it's a it's a canister, it's

28:23

a cylinder, it's a plastic white

28:26

cylinder that is a Wi-Fi router.

28:28

And I got it. And I

28:30

set it up a couple of

28:32

weeks ago. And let me tell

28:35

you Stephen, it's been a dream

28:37

come true. And I have had

28:39

the. time of my life, streaming

28:41

video games, both locally and from

28:44

the cloud, using Wi-Fi-7. And I

28:46

think what is working for me

28:48

with Wi-Fi-7 is a specific feature

28:50

of Wi-Fi-7, which is M-L-O. It

28:52

stands for a multi-link operation. There

28:55

is a unique Wi-Fi-7 thing that

28:57

means this network can set up

28:59

two separate networks. A legger, a

29:01

regular one, and another one that

29:04

uses M- that uses M-O. The

29:06

thing about MFO is that it

29:08

can use multiple Wi-Fi bands at

29:10

the same time. In my case,

29:13

it's basically meshing, it's combining the

29:15

5 gigahertz and the 6 gigahertz

29:17

band at the same time. That

29:19

vastly increases the bandwidth and vastly

29:22

increased the stability of the connection

29:24

and the range of the connection.

29:26

So I have been streaming. from

29:28

my PS5 and from the cloud

29:31

also. I've been streaming with my

29:33

Android tablet and with my other

29:35

devices with my iPhone 16 Pro

29:37

Max and the iPad Pro, all

29:40

of them have Wi-Fi 7. I've

29:42

been streaming, PlayStation 5 and MediaG

29:44

first now. It has been incredible.

29:46

I have gone from the three

29:49

four milliseconds of latency that I

29:51

was seeing before inside my local

29:53

network, which may not seem... like

29:55

a big deal but especially when

29:58

you're playing something fast-paced you can

30:00

tell I'm sure the latency is

30:02

an issue I have gone from

30:04

three four milliseconds of latency to

30:07

zero point two milliseconds it's been

30:09

beautiful to to see these stats

30:11

go down and just I'm basically

30:13

streaming like Astrobot for example, or

30:16

even the new, do you remember

30:18

the Apple Arcade game, Sayonara, Wild

30:20

Hearts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so

30:22

they really released it on PS5

30:25

a few days ago with like

30:27

4K and 120 FPS mode, it's

30:29

beautiful. Like when you stream on

30:31

Wi-Fi 7, it's basically like I'm

30:34

sitting in front of the PS5.

30:36

Obviously the PS5 is plugged into

30:38

the internet and the signal goes

30:40

over Wi-Fi 7 M-O to my

30:43

iPod Pro for example. And I

30:45

just don't see any latency anymore.

30:47

The quality of the image is

30:49

incredible. I have plenty of bitrate,

30:52

like the performance and bitrate headroom

30:54

that I have is wild right

30:56

now. The iPhone supports Wi-Fi-7, the

30:58

iPad-Pro supports Wi-Fi-7, and I've basically

31:01

reached the point where with this

31:03

two routers, I get the real

31:05

speeds from my ISP. No matter

31:07

where I am in the house.

31:10

Like I don't see any speed

31:12

degradation anymore. Over Wi-Fi. Over Wi-Fi.

31:14

Yes. What is wild to me

31:16

about Wi-Fi 7 is that for

31:19

the first time, you're not penalized

31:21

speedwise and especially latency wise to

31:23

your point a second ago by

31:25

not using a cable. Like it

31:28

breaks all of my entire tech

31:30

life. If you want fast and

31:32

more importantly reliable speeds, you use

31:34

Ethernet. And with the Wi-Fi 7,

31:37

it's like... You know, actually you're

31:39

okay. Like, you can, now, you

31:41

know, the hardware's expensive, like these

31:43

base stations are pricey, and I

31:46

think even seven has some of

31:48

the range issues. Six E, I

31:50

think in hindsight will really be

31:52

seen as kind of like a

31:55

half step. My access points, so

31:57

I tried Wi-Fi seven initially when

31:59

I switched to unify, I had

32:01

a lot of issues with it,

32:04

not because of Wi-Fi-seven, but I

32:06

think ubiquities implementation of it, and

32:08

from... read it in some other

32:10

places, it seems like that's mostly

32:13

better now. But the access points

32:15

I switched to, I actually misspoke

32:17

on an episode weeks ago, saying

32:19

that it was, it was just

32:22

six and not six-e. But the

32:24

access points I have are six-e

32:26

capable. But the six-e is, like,

32:28

it's great if you have line

32:31

of sight to the access point.

32:33

Yes. And in some rooms in

32:35

my house, I do, because I

32:37

actually have sealing mounted access points,

32:40

and I cannot believe Mary let

32:42

me mount them on the on

32:44

the ceiling. But if you're not

32:46

in view of one of them,

32:49

you don't get 60 speeds, like

32:51

you get dropped down. And seven,

32:53

I think, addresses some of that,

32:55

but the higher these speeds get,

32:58

and the broader like the channels

33:00

are that the Wi-Fi is on,

33:02

you have issues with walls, and

33:04

like you said, it was like

33:07

in a piece of furniture. It's

33:09

gotten more complicated. Wi-Fi has gotten

33:11

more complicated, but if you can

33:13

sort all this out and you

33:16

have equipment that can do it,

33:18

the speeds now were just, I

33:20

mean, truly unbelievable from like your

33:22

traditional tech standpoint. Yeah, yeah, two

33:25

more things I want to say.

33:27

The first one is kind of

33:29

funny. One of my Android handles,

33:31

shout out to MPC where, you

33:33

know, I talked about this, the

33:36

A and Odein 2 portal. It's

33:38

an Android-based little... handle console. It

33:40

can connect to the Wi-Fi 7

33:42

and it can also connect... because

33:45

it sees the separate Wi-Fi 7

33:47

M-O network. But when it connects,

33:49

it reboots. So it seems like

33:51

the Android fork that the company

33:54

flashed on the console is not

33:56

exactly optimized for M-O connections. As

33:58

soon as it connects, it hard

34:00

crashes and the whole thing reboots.

34:03

So not ideal. I've just been

34:05

using regular Wi-Fi. and that's already,

34:07

yeah, even the regular Wi-Fi 7,

34:09

I want to point out, it's

34:12

a vast improvement over 60. Yeah.

34:14

The other thing, that the Tippelink

34:16

app, the Deco app, has a

34:18

really nice feature in that it

34:21

can scan your network and it

34:23

can automatically optimize your Wi-Fi based

34:25

on channel interference that it finds

34:27

around you. And I did this.

34:30

and he realized that there was

34:32

interference with the previous channel that

34:34

I was using for the 5

34:36

gigahertz band, it fixed itself and

34:39

I've been having incredible performance. Like,

34:41

you go into settings, you tap

34:43

the optimized button, it scans the

34:45

whole network for like 30 seconds,

34:48

and it tells you, I found

34:50

some interference on this channel, I'm

34:52

switching to this other one. It's

34:54

great. I've been, I've been really,

34:57

really liking it. That's important, especially

34:59

in a situation like yours, where

35:01

like you're in a building with

35:03

a bunch of a bunch of

35:06

neighbors. Right? And that may change

35:08

over time if like someone next

35:10

door gets a new access point

35:12

and Unified is the same thing

35:15

where it's like you can manually

35:17

select the channels or there's like

35:19

an optimized button. Unified you can

35:21

even set it up to optimize

35:24

every 24 hours. My situation is

35:26

relatively stable because I'm in a

35:28

house and like, you know. It's

35:30

a house next door. I'm not,

35:33

you know, sharing a wall with

35:35

anybody or anything. But it is,

35:37

it's very useful because you can,

35:39

you really can get speed penalties

35:42

if you're kind of running over

35:44

someone else. network on the same

35:46

band. Yeah. And lastly I have

35:48

a confession to make. Okay. For

35:51

something funny that I did. So

35:53

I was setting this up one

35:55

afternoon while the cleaning lady that

35:57

we have was over doing doing,

36:00

she was doing the office I

36:02

think, and I was setting this

36:04

up in the living room. And

36:06

obviously, like I always do, I

36:09

set up the new network with

36:11

the same name as before. Yes.

36:13

So that all my previous devices

36:15

would automatically reconnect. And when advice

36:18

connects for the first time to

36:20

the TV link network, the TV

36:22

link app tells you, like for

36:24

the because iPhone has joined the

36:27

network. So we're setting this up

36:29

and... Like it talks? Like it

36:31

says something? No, it sends you

36:33

a notification. Okay, I was like,

36:36

well I don't want that. No,

36:38

no, no, it sends you a

36:40

notification. We can't disable them, but

36:42

I had them on. So I

36:45

was setting this up and I

36:47

saw I saw every device come

36:49

back to life slowly but surely

36:51

like all the cameras all the

36:54

Apple TV everything was reconnecting and

36:56

at some point I saw show

36:58

me read me note 10 is

37:00

online. Oh boy. And I thought

37:03

what is going on here? I

37:05

for for a good 10 minutes

37:07

I was convinced that my Wi-Fi

37:09

password had been passed around by

37:12

one of our neighbors. Because we

37:14

had some of the neighbors over

37:16

the past year and it's possible

37:18

that I shared my Wi-Fi network

37:21

with them and for a good

37:23

10 minutes I thought oh no

37:25

for the past year someone has

37:27

been on my Wi-Fi Because as

37:30

soon as I turned it off

37:32

and recruited the network this device

37:34

came back online Now it's on

37:36

the network, but it must have

37:39

been on the network for the

37:41

past year. Yeah, and so I

37:43

went in and blocked the device

37:45

the device the device And after

37:48

about 30 minutes, like I was

37:50

taxed in Sylvie, I was like,

37:52

I think we had someone on

37:54

the network for the past year.

37:57

And I was very concerned. It

37:59

was the cleaning lady, right? Is

38:01

that where this goes? It was

38:03

the cleaning lady's phone. She came

38:06

to me. She was like, I've

38:08

been unable to call my son

38:10

on WhatsApp and I realize that

38:12

because she never had good reception

38:14

inside my apartment. And so that's

38:17

why last year I gave her

38:19

the Wi-Fi. And so she's like,

38:21

I'm trying to call my son,

38:23

but the Wi-Fi is not working

38:26

anymore. And I was like. I

38:28

realized mentally, I realized what happened.

38:30

I was like, oh, that's weird.

38:32

Let me see what's up. And

38:35

then I secretly opened the TV

38:37

link up and unblocked the device

38:39

and she was okay. Fixed it.

38:41

Yeah, it is funny looking through

38:44

and like, wait, that's hooked up

38:46

somewhere. That is very funny though.

38:48

And I wouldn't, you know, especially

38:50

with like a brand. You know,

38:53

there's like you know it's not

38:55

yours, right? Like you know all

38:57

the all your devices You're like,

38:59

what is this? I mean? That's

39:02

that's fantastic Well, yeah, I'm pleased.

39:04

I'm pleased that you got all

39:06

sorted out. Yeah, finally bedroom Wi-Fi

39:08

is underrated. You need you need

39:11

good Wi-Fi in there. Yeah, but

39:13

Sylvia won't let me put a

39:15

router in the bedroom. So that's

39:17

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Macos. What in the world

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40:58

News plus food? Yes, 15.

41:01

Sequoia 15.4 Lots of things

41:03

in here. There are some

41:05

noticeable absences as well. But

41:07

I want to start with

41:09

what in the world is

41:11

going on with Apple News

41:13

Plus food. I did not

41:15

see this coming. Tell me

41:17

about this because I don't

41:19

have News Plus. Yeah, so

41:21

News Plus is part of

41:23

paid iCloud subscription and starting

41:25

soon, News Plus subscribers will

41:28

have access to this like

41:30

new sections. So there's today,

41:32

which is like headlines, News

41:34

Plus, which is new, if

41:36

you have paid access to

41:38

the Wall Street Journal or

41:40

a bunch of magazines, sports.

41:42

And now a new tab

41:44

called food. And in there,

41:46

there's going to be quote

41:48

tens of thousands of recipes.

41:50

There's going to be restaurant

41:52

reviews, kitchen tips, you know,

41:55

kind of some. I think

41:57

some lifestyle stuff in here.

41:59

The UI is really interesting

42:01

to look through the recipe

42:03

catalog. And this is all

42:05

coming from like a, they

42:07

have a bunch of content

42:09

partners, right? It's not, it's

42:11

not EddieQ putting his like

42:13

famous ribs in here. Although

42:15

maybe. I am sure. I

42:17

don't know. I'm just vibing

42:20

with this. Sure. But I

42:22

think EddieQ. loves a Cuban

42:24

sandwich. Yeah. Is that type

42:26

of guy, for sure? I

42:28

think so. Yeah, I think

42:30

he's probably also has a

42:32

big smoker out back. You

42:34

know, like he seems... Yes,

42:36

yes, smoking meats. Smoking meats.

42:38

Sweet Baby Ray's on there,

42:40

you know? So anyways, Apple's

42:42

publishing with a bunch of

42:44

publishers like Bonapete, food and

42:47

wine, all recipes, some others.

42:49

But the UI is really

42:51

interesting. Like, they have these

42:53

categories in the tops. You

42:55

can pick like dinner or

42:57

vegetarian, less than 30 minutes.

42:59

They have a bunch of

43:01

different things in here. You

43:03

can save them for later.

43:05

You know, I don't know

43:07

if this like Sherlock's apps

43:09

like Paprika or others, but

43:11

it is interesting. What is

43:14

most interesting to me in

43:16

this UI, though, if you

43:18

look through the newsroom article

43:20

and scroll down, they have

43:22

a like step by step.

43:24

Like how you do the

43:26

recipe and it's great because

43:28

a lot of websites of

43:30

recipes are awful and like

43:32

they're covered in ads and

43:34

Comments and it's very clean,

43:36

but if you look at

43:39

this this is the design

43:41

of the lyrics view in

43:43

Apple music This is Apple

43:45

music right like it's the

43:47

same thing it just kind

43:49

of made me chuckle But

43:51

I need some feedback from

43:53

you in the head Like

43:55

the hero image on the

43:57

Apple Newsroom, they have a

43:59

recipe for some pasta and

44:01

this is. doesn't show the

44:03

whole thing, but I would

44:06

like your feedback on this

44:08

recipe based on what you

44:10

can see in this image.

44:12

Creamy miso pasta. So they're

44:14

using red miso, which is

44:16

stronger than white miso. I

44:18

like miso. I think that's

44:20

a good idea. And they're

44:22

mixing like a high-level overview.

44:24

They're doing miso, walnuts, roasted

44:26

cabbage. Okay. Whole grain grain

44:28

spaghetti. In the hero image,

44:30

those are not spaghetti. I

44:33

don't know if you guys

44:35

are eating those as spaghetti

44:37

in the US, those are

44:39

not spaghetti. Those are way

44:41

too thick for being spaghetti.

44:43

I think I would call

44:45

that spaghetti. I think it's

44:47

just like a long skinny

44:49

noodle. Well, that's a noodle.

44:51

That's, you know, noodles on

44:53

spaghetti are two different things.

44:55

Okay. Setting that aside, they

44:58

say they use barilla, which

45:00

is Okay, could we come

45:02

for something a little less

45:04

mainstream, but whatever. So they're

45:06

using a tablespoon olive oil.

45:08

First mistake, they're not using

45:10

extra virgin olive oil. They

45:12

should be using extra virgin,

45:14

not standard olive oil. Red

45:16

cabbage I like, salt and

45:18

pepper, rice vinegar. This is

45:20

a nice touch, using the

45:22

rice vinegar. I use apple

45:25

vinegar, or whenever possible, but

45:27

the rice one is also

45:29

a good idea. Walnuts chopped

45:31

chopped. I honestly have two

45:33

issues with this recipe. I

45:35

mean, aside from the suspicious

45:37

shape of the spaghetti, the

45:39

medium onion, thinly sliced and

45:41

cloves of garlic finely chopped.

45:43

Good luck with your digestion,

45:45

you know, mixing onion and

45:47

garlic together in the same

45:49

pasta. That's a choice for

45:52

sure. And my main concern

45:54

is the heavy cream. What

45:56

is heavy cream? Like what?

45:58

Is that like, I suppose

46:00

that's what in Italy we

46:02

call Pana? Let me see,

46:04

heavy cream. It's a lot,

46:06

it's a lot of dairy

46:08

for me. Oh, okay. Yeah,

46:10

this is, this is a

46:12

thick, this is basically even

46:14

thicker than our Pana. Yeah,

46:16

heavy cream is pretty thick.

46:19

Okay. It's got some weight

46:21

to it. Okay. considering how

46:23

this looks on the surface

46:25

like a vegetarian recipe like

46:27

a like I could have

46:29

passed for a vegan recipe

46:31

right until you get to

46:33

heavy cream right until you

46:35

get to heavy cream there

46:37

were other options instead of

46:39

the heavy cream there is

46:41

there is like coconut heavy

46:44

cream but then your pasta

46:46

tastes like coconut Yeah, it

46:48

also this, yeah, I mean,

46:50

you could, you could, you

46:52

could have used alma milk,

46:54

you could have used, you

46:56

know, some other kind of

46:58

of, of, of milk that

47:00

is not like dairy and

47:02

still gives the creamy, the

47:04

creamy texture and flavor to

47:06

the sauce, but yeah, I

47:08

mean, um, Americans, am I

47:11

right? Yeah, do what they

47:13

gotta do. Yeah, the heavy

47:15

cream. Mm. I hope that

47:17

in the. The direction section,

47:19

you see those little labels

47:21

look like timer links? Those

47:23

have to be shortcuts to

47:25

start a timer. Gotta be.

47:27

Yeah, which is nice idea.

47:29

Nice idea. Yeah. Yeah, I

47:31

like this. I think it's

47:33

cool. Yeah. There's a whole

47:35

bunch of other things that

47:38

we should talk about in

47:40

a team point four. Most

47:42

of which I am not

47:44

using, but I still want

47:46

to mention. Actually, I don't

47:48

think. any of them I'm

47:50

not using them so there's

47:52

for Apple intelligence we are

47:54

not getting right now the

47:56

new series intense feature that

47:58

is still as we talked

48:00

about in the report, that

48:03

they were delaying the functionality,

48:05

maybe to 18.5, maybe later,

48:07

that is, none of that

48:09

is here. So no theory,

48:11

intense functionalities, no theory awareness

48:13

of your personal contacts or

48:15

screen awareness, none of that. But

48:17

we are getting priority notifications,

48:19

which is using Apple Intelligence

48:22

to highlight what the system

48:24

considers important notifications that you

48:27

are receiving. I have the

48:29

Apple Intelligence notification staff enabled.

48:32

I have not received a

48:34

priority one yet. for image

48:37

playgrounds and I see that

48:39

you have just pasted an

48:42

absolutely horrific result in our

48:44

in our show notes. The

48:47

new sketch style is here

48:49

allowing you to create quote-unquote

48:52

sketch illustrations of

48:54

various subjects. You

48:56

just pasted an

48:58

illustration of Mike that I

49:00

gotta say it, it kind of

49:02

looks like, it kind of looks

49:04

like President Trump in this sketch.

49:07

A little bit, right? It's the

49:09

red tie and the facial expression,

49:11

I think. I mean, look, Apple

49:13

spent $500 billion to keep the

49:15

guy happy. So maybe it's just

49:17

like, they've waited the models a

49:19

little bit. Train the model, you

49:22

know? Oh God. Sorry, Mike. So

49:24

there's that, whatever nightmare this is,

49:26

you can now use it. For

49:28

Apple intelligence, there was something

49:30

else, I think. No, that's

49:33

pretty much about it, I

49:35

think. Yeah, no, no, Appintence.

49:37

No Appintence, just the sketch

49:39

illustrations and the

49:41

priority invocations, because

49:43

the smart categorization

49:45

in Apple Mail,

49:47

that's theoretically not Apple

49:50

intelligence. Yeah. But that is now

49:52

available. as of 18.4 on the

49:54

iPad and on the Mac. So

49:56

you can have, you can have

49:59

those categories. is now in Apple

50:01

Mail on every device. We also

50:03

have these new togles, this is

50:05

kind of interesting, there's this new

50:07

togles in Control Center for Ambient

50:09

Music and you basically have these

50:11

four togles for chill productivity, sleep

50:13

and well-being that are basically pointing

50:15

to playlists in Apple Music. I

50:17

think this is a good idea

50:19

and I'm especially fascinated by Apple.

50:21

Expending into different kinds of audio,

50:23

they already have their white noise

50:25

integration in iOS. Another gonna have

50:27

this ambient music. I think it's

50:29

a nice idea to have not

50:31

just obviously Apple music, but different

50:33

kinds of music. I think it's

50:35

nice. There's another there's a whole

50:37

bunch of smaller things. You can

50:39

now see when your verification codes

50:41

expire with a little timer in

50:43

the passwords app. Yeah. That is

50:45

a good addition. I mean, the

50:47

one password has that because it's

50:49

just the worst if you go

50:52

to pace one of those things

50:54

and it expires like in the

50:56

four seconds it takes you to

50:58

get back to Chrome. Yeah. Good,

51:00

good change there. you're looking at

51:02

a code and then the moment

51:04

the moment you copy the code

51:06

before 18.4 the moment you copy

51:08

the code then you switch to

51:10

safari or whatever to place the

51:12

code like in that moment it

51:14

becomes like Schrodinger's code like it

51:16

either works or it doesn't and

51:18

you only know until you hit

51:20

return so that it's nice to

51:22

have a timer now what else

51:24

oh you can if you have

51:26

a matter enabled robot vacuum You

51:28

can now add that to the

51:30

home app because it's expanding its

51:32

matter integration with support for robot

51:34

vacuums. I don't think the matter

51:36

specs includes any sort of standardized

51:38

mapping feature so you will not

51:40

be able to see the map

51:42

of your floor plan in the

51:44

home app you still have to

51:46

use whatever dedicated vacuum app you

51:48

have in your phone to check

51:50

the map. But you will at

51:52

least be able to check the

51:54

progress of the rubber vacuum and

51:56

start it or stop it, whatever.

51:58

There's going to be a new

52:00

interface for editing albums in the

52:02

photos app, new widgets for your

52:04

library and for your shows for

52:07

the podcast's app. There's a new

52:09

messages action to open a conversation

52:11

and arguably the big change which

52:13

we cannot. test right now because

52:15

it's not there yet it's the

52:17

new Vision Pro app that will

52:19

allow you to enable guest mode

52:21

download the apps and games on

52:23

the Vision Pro app so from

52:25

your phone Apple is doing a

52:27

whole bunch of Vision Pro and

52:29

Vision OS things in this release

52:31

including the new what's it called

52:33

Special Gallery app on the Vision

52:35

Pro none of these apps are

52:37

available right now in beta 1

52:39

but they will be at some

52:41

point. Vision Pro app is really

52:43

interesting. It seems like it's gonna

52:45

be the same model as the

52:47

Applewatch app on the iPhone. Yeah.

52:49

You can kind of manage things

52:51

in a easier way. And I

52:53

think that plus the Spatial Gallery,

52:55

which is this new Vision Pro

52:57

app that basically has content from

52:59

Apple and others that is like

53:01

spatially enabled. And you know, right

53:03

now that stuff's kind of hard

53:05

to find. And yeah. I think

53:07

that it's smart for Apple to

53:09

put it. under kind of one

53:11

umbrella. Now, I think there's a

53:13

risk there that if more this

53:15

content doesn't come out in a

53:17

timely fashion, the app's going to

53:19

feel stale. So I'm interested to

53:21

see in how they keep it

53:24

feeling fresh over time. It's different

53:26

with like the TV app, right,

53:28

where basically the content is unlimited.

53:30

Like, and then if you pay

53:32

for Max or, you know, National

53:34

Geographic or something through Apple, that

53:36

content also goes into the TV

53:38

app. If you use Netflix last

53:40

week, it was in there briefly.

53:42

which is a wild story, but

53:44

this is gonna be different because

53:46

there's not a lot of it.

53:48

very curious to see how that

53:50

plays out, because Apple needs that

53:52

content library to continue to grow

53:54

on the headset. Yeah, yeah, I

53:56

think it's a good idea to

53:58

do the app and I'm mostly

54:00

excited for guest mode, because whenever

54:02

I try to have Sylvia, try

54:04

the Vision Pro, she absolutely hated

54:06

the experience, because like all the

54:08

things you're supposed to go through,

54:10

all the settings, all the little,

54:12

you know, all the little obstacles

54:14

that you run into before. 18.4

54:16

so and Visionless 2.4 so yeah

54:18

excited to give this a try

54:20

again every time we talked about

54:22

the Vision Pro I kind of

54:24

feel like I want to I

54:26

want to use the Vision Pro

54:28

more but then I don't yeah

54:30

and maybe this will be the

54:32

thing like having the Vision Pro

54:34

app on my phone maybe will

54:36

push me to like download apps

54:39

remotely, you know, that sort of

54:41

thing, have the view, because then

54:43

when you enter this sort of

54:45

like negative loop of you forget

54:47

about the Vision Pro and when

54:49

you do remember about the Vision

54:51

Pro, the battery is not charged.

54:53

And so you got to charge

54:55

it and then you forget again

54:57

and then you don't use it.

54:59

So now maybe having the Vision

55:01

Pro app on my phone will

55:03

like help me remember more frequently

55:05

to keep my Vision Pro charged

55:07

and download new apps from the

55:09

phone and find them when I'm

55:11

using the Vision Pro. So I

55:13

think it's a good idea. I

55:15

think so too. Just keeping it

55:17

on people's radar is a good

55:19

thing. Because a lot of people

55:21

are like us. It's like, oh

55:23

yeah, I've got that thing and

55:25

I use it every... you know

55:27

once in a while but mostly

55:29

just sort of sad about the

55:31

money I spent. Yeah you have

55:33

you have the every you know

55:35

a lot of people like us

55:37

they have the the headset drawer

55:39

you know it's a drawer where

55:41

you keep a headset and then

55:43

you forget about it you know

55:45

it happened with the oculus before

55:47

happened with you know a whole

55:49

bunch of other headsets before like

55:51

it happened to the best of

55:54

us and I know it happened

55:56

the division pro for me it's

55:58

in a drawer and and I

56:00

forget about it. So the iPhone

56:02

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57:55

Welcome to Connected. Mary H. Yes.

57:57

You don't watch Severance. It's a

57:59

little lost on you. I think

58:01

you would think it's creepy. It

58:03

sounds creepy. It sounds creepy. It

58:05

sounds creepy. Everything that I've heard

58:07

about. It's weird because once I

58:09

come into the podcast and I

58:11

don't remember our life outside. Oh

58:13

gosh. Totally separate. Okay, well you

58:15

are our Beats expert connected. You've

58:17

been on the show a few

58:19

times over the years talking about

58:21

headphones and you're back because Beats

58:23

slash Apple slash Dr. Drey have

58:26

released the Power Beats Pro 2

58:28

and you are a Power Beats

58:30

Pro user. So for people who

58:32

aren't familiar with... This, it's the

58:34

Beats headphones that have the ear

58:36

hook, right? Yes. So they got

58:38

both of your ear, use them

58:40

while working out. You have tried

58:42

other Beats products in the past,

58:44

I think, kind of famously the

58:46

Beats X, you really hated? Big

58:48

X, big X, on the Beats

58:50

X. Do not like? I don't,

58:52

they were replaced by like the

58:54

Beats Flex or something, but yeah,

58:56

I just. So the PowerBeets Pro-2

58:58

were rumored for a while. The

59:00

rumor got the colors exactly right.

59:02

I showed you an article somewhere.

59:04

It's like, what color would you

59:06

like? And you like those. And

59:08

so you have the hyper-purple, I

59:10

think is what they're called. It's

59:12

like a lavender? Yes. Yeah. It's

59:14

like a pale purple. Yeah. They're

59:16

not. The orange is better. If

59:18

you're you. Yes. Yes. If you're

59:20

me. Right off the bat, what

59:22

I notice. What I notice. What

59:24

I notice. is smaller. The case

59:26

in the original pair of beads

59:28

was like humongous. Yes. And this

59:30

makes it less possible for me

59:32

to drop it and it open

59:34

up and the headphones go spinning

59:36

across the house, which happened a

59:38

lot with the other one because

59:40

it was just so big in

59:43

your hand, you're trying to open

59:45

it and things happen. And it

59:47

charges via USBC, which is nice.

59:49

Yes. That's right. That was the

59:51

only reason we had the other

59:53

one in the kitchen, right? One

59:55

of the kid's phones uses lightning

59:57

still. Yes. But yay. That's true.

59:59

Maybe they'll get a 16E for

1:00:01

another plus. Yep. USPC is the

1:00:03

way to go. These also come

1:00:05

with five sets of ear tips.

1:00:07

One nice thing about these silicon-tipped

1:00:09

headphones like the Air Bods Pro

1:00:11

2 is that you can find

1:00:13

what works for you size-wise. And

1:00:15

we opened these and like I

1:00:17

didn't I just had missed that

1:00:19

on the product page I guess

1:00:21

but they range from like I

1:00:23

mean truly teeny tiny to like

1:00:25

ones the size of grapes. You

1:00:27

go at the medium? Right. I

1:00:29

think it came with the medium

1:00:31

on and I tried the small

1:00:33

and I like the small better.

1:00:35

One thing I don't like about

1:00:37

really I think it's true across

1:00:39

apples headphone line up with the

1:00:41

tips. is there's not a great

1:00:43

way to store the unused tips.

1:00:45

I mean, you have to keep

1:00:47

the packaging. That's what I did.

1:00:49

The ones that I pulled off,

1:00:51

I just put back in the

1:00:53

small spot. Yeah. Because they were

1:00:55

close enough to them. And they're

1:00:58

just like in a closet somewhere

1:01:00

now. And I just have to

1:01:02

hope that I don't lose that

1:01:04

box. Yeah. I wish they came

1:01:06

with like, I mean, I guess

1:01:08

you could like put them in

1:01:10

a zep like baggy. Like it's

1:01:12

not, you're not forbidden. I would

1:01:14

definitely lose. Give them to somebody

1:01:16

else? I mean, they say your

1:01:18

ears never stop growing. So, that's

1:01:20

true. I might be a size

1:01:22

medium of 2027. Have you seen

1:01:24

my dad? Like, I'm going to

1:01:26

do the great ones. I still

1:01:28

love you. You are an Apple

1:01:30

watch wearer. So your heart rate

1:01:32

is tracked via your Apple watch.

1:01:34

But one thing these do have,

1:01:36

if you look at them, they

1:01:38

got all these new contacts and

1:01:40

stuff inside, is they can track

1:01:42

your heart rate, which is kind

1:01:44

of interesting. Is there a large

1:01:46

number of customers who love, like

1:01:48

me, love the power beets, but

1:01:50

don't have an Apple watch? So

1:01:52

what's interesting about beets in particular,

1:01:54

is that. much more than the

1:01:56

AirPods. They market and like build

1:01:58

features for Android users. And so

1:02:00

there are a couple, there's a

1:02:02

link in the show notes this

1:02:04

week where you can go read

1:02:06

about the heart rate tracking on

1:02:08

these. If you're listening, I mean

1:02:10

you can read it now if

1:02:12

you want. Okay, great. It's a

1:02:15

notion. It'll be posted in a

1:02:17

week. Yeah, because on Android obviously

1:02:19

you're not using an Apple watch.

1:02:21

And there's lots of other products

1:02:23

that, you know, there's garments and

1:02:25

the pixel watch and Samsung watches

1:02:27

and stuff. So for Android users,

1:02:29

it uses the Beats app for

1:02:31

Android. I think that sinks with

1:02:33

like the health and fitness stuff

1:02:35

on Android. But on iOS, what

1:02:37

it does is if you're wearing

1:02:39

an Apple watch, the health app,

1:02:41

or like your workout app, so

1:02:43

it use it, it defers to

1:02:45

the Apple watch. But if you,

1:02:47

and if the app supports it,

1:02:49

and if you have it set

1:02:51

up in health, go read the

1:02:53

documentation. If you're not wearing an

1:02:55

Applewatch, you don't have one, it

1:02:57

will fall back to this. And

1:02:59

so for some users on the

1:03:01

iPhone who don't have an Applewatch,

1:03:03

you don't want one, or maybe

1:03:05

they wear, you know, something else,

1:03:07

then this would be a way

1:03:09

to get heart rate data into

1:03:11

like the Apple Health ecosystem and

1:03:13

all the apps that plug into

1:03:15

that. But that is what's really

1:03:17

interesting about Beats. And it was

1:03:19

kind of a question, like, gosh,

1:03:21

now, like... 10 years ago or

1:03:23

however long ago it's been when

1:03:25

Apple bought Beets was like Beets

1:03:27

was very big in the Android

1:03:30

scene even back then and They

1:03:32

were in like all these retail

1:03:34

places that Apple's brand wasn't Apple's

1:03:36

brand is a lot more places

1:03:38

now retail wise But part of

1:03:40

the conversation back then was like

1:03:42

what what is Apple gonna do

1:03:44

with beets like are they gonna?

1:03:46

Let them be beats and like

1:03:48

do colors and you know at

1:03:50

the time they were known for

1:03:52

like very base heavy maybe not

1:03:54

actually like good sounding headphones. I

1:03:56

think they're a lot better now

1:03:58

It is interesting to see that

1:04:00

they continue on that path and

1:04:02

I think it's their headphones for

1:04:04

all Headphones for everyone. What would

1:04:06

we believe in that? If you

1:04:08

have the amount of money to

1:04:10

buy them. Yeah, they're like, I

1:04:12

forget how much they are. They're

1:04:14

like 200, let's see, $249. I

1:04:16

was looking at my laptop. So

1:04:18

that's kind of the deal with

1:04:20

the heart rate. So you as

1:04:22

an Applewatch user don't really benefit

1:04:24

from it right now. Where can

1:04:26

I find it? Like if I

1:04:28

what if I weren't wearing my

1:04:30

watch? It would be in like

1:04:32

I've tried I was playing around

1:04:34

with it like pulled it up

1:04:36

on the dashboard on my phone

1:04:38

and that's what it's called right

1:04:40

sure the hell that no like

1:04:42

I swipe down from the corner

1:04:44

control center I was in control

1:04:47

center on my phone last night

1:04:49

trying to figure it out and

1:04:51

because that's where you can pull

1:04:53

up to change we'll get to

1:04:55

this in a minute I'm sure

1:04:57

the different options they have for

1:04:59

audio and stereo yeah But I

1:05:01

thought that it might be there,

1:05:03

but it wasn't. It would be

1:05:05

in the health app, which is

1:05:07

a mess. The health app. Yeah,

1:05:09

there's way too much in there.

1:05:11

It's just crazy. We agree. So

1:05:13

that was just a lot of

1:05:15

stuff going on in there. Yeah.

1:05:17

So that's where it shows up.

1:05:19

But you were happy. But I

1:05:21

could see, because there have been

1:05:23

reports that the ear is actually

1:05:25

a pretty decent place to pull

1:05:27

heart rate information. I don't know

1:05:29

why, I'm not, I don't know

1:05:31

if you knew this, I'm not

1:05:33

a doctor. Oh. You know what

1:05:35

kind of college degree I have?

1:05:37

I sure do. It's right of

1:05:39

your shoulder. really on the wall.

1:05:41

But there could be a future

1:05:43

where they like collate that information

1:05:45

somehow or like the Apple watch

1:05:47

and because it's also room with

1:05:49

that that Harrey track is to

1:05:51

come to the next version of

1:05:53

AirPots Pro which are due. Maybe

1:05:55

they're testing it out in these.

1:05:57

We're like how do people how

1:05:59

does it actually compare to what

1:06:02

we've done on the watch? Well

1:06:04

I think they do all that

1:06:06

in the labs but I think

1:06:08

it's just the first part of

1:06:10

the I think I'm a guinea

1:06:12

pig. I think that's what's happening

1:06:14

here. Wow. Although if I was

1:06:16

going to be a guinea pig

1:06:18

for these, they should have given

1:06:20

them to us a little bit

1:06:22

cheaper. A little bit cheaper. We're

1:06:24

just free. That's not how that

1:06:26

works at all. Like knockover Best

1:06:28

Buy and get some. Still me

1:06:30

some orange ones next time. So

1:06:32

maybe there's a future where, because

1:06:34

if they come to AirPods Pro,

1:06:36

like that's a much more iPhone

1:06:38

heavy user base obviously. And so

1:06:40

I could see a future where

1:06:42

Apple where Apple kind of just

1:06:44

manages manages this. in the background

1:06:46

and you don't have to really

1:06:48

worry about where your heart rate

1:06:50

information is coming from. It's just

1:06:52

like, you know, sometimes like you're

1:06:54

working out and your watch is

1:06:56

like a little loose or, you

1:06:58

know, get sweaty. I know you

1:07:00

don't sweat, but you know. No.

1:07:02

Listen. Wow. So yeah, we'll see.

1:07:04

So let's get this kind of

1:07:06

the tech stuff. You did mention

1:07:08

noise cancellation. The previous Power Beats

1:07:10

Pro had some noise cancellation, or

1:07:12

did it or did it have

1:07:14

any? I don't think it had

1:07:16

any. I don't remember, but these

1:07:19

do. I was thinking about that,

1:07:21

and I think I was remembering

1:07:23

Beats X. Yeah, I don't know.

1:07:25

Which I hated, though, because that,

1:07:27

if you didn't know this already.

1:07:29

You gave them X. Big X.

1:07:31

Because those, it hurt. And now

1:07:33

I'm thinking it was more about

1:07:35

the form of the Beats X

1:07:37

than the actual noise cancellation feature,

1:07:39

as I was thinking about the

1:07:41

way that the button. It's just.

1:07:43

You can see like you push

1:07:45

at the bottom of the earpiece.

1:07:47

but you're not having to push

1:07:49

it into your ear because you

1:07:51

have the support of the loop

1:07:53

going around the back of your

1:07:55

ear. I think that pressure is

1:07:57

kind of more spread out. And

1:07:59

so when I touch it, there's

1:08:01

no pushing into my eardrum, there's

1:08:03

no like compression of anything in

1:08:05

my ear, which is what really

1:08:07

annoyed me about the noise cancellation

1:08:09

option. But again, I don't think

1:08:11

that was the power beats that

1:08:13

I've been using. Well, regardless, because

1:08:15

you could also turn it on

1:08:17

in software in control center. So

1:08:19

you have played around with the

1:08:21

noise cancellation on these. These have

1:08:23

the same sort of inerts as

1:08:25

the airpods pro to, so I

1:08:27

imagine they're pretty good. Are they

1:08:29

pretty good? They are, yeah. I

1:08:31

couldn't hear anything. I was in

1:08:34

the kitchen washing dishes and our

1:08:36

daughter and one of her friends

1:08:38

were baking and they had a

1:08:40

question and our kitchen is not

1:08:42

that big. It's like five, we

1:08:44

were five feet away and I

1:08:46

had no idea that they were

1:08:48

talking to me and I was

1:08:50

not like... I didn't have it

1:08:52

cranked to 11 or anything. I

1:08:54

just... All of our listeners in

1:08:56

New York City are angry that

1:08:58

there's five feet of space in

1:09:00

any direction in our kitchen. It's

1:09:02

really not that big. That's basically

1:09:04

end to end. Yeah, the noise

1:09:06

cancellation is really nice on the

1:09:08

Airpods Pro, too. They also have

1:09:10

the transparency mode where it brings

1:09:12

in outside noises. Which is nice,

1:09:14

like, you know, if you're in

1:09:16

a big city and you need

1:09:18

to hear what's going on around

1:09:20

you. but you want your headphones

1:09:22

in. Whereas before, I, well I

1:09:24

still probably will only wear one

1:09:26

just out of habit. Yeah. I

1:09:28

will wear one and then have,

1:09:30

you know, the other ear. But

1:09:32

yeah. Which case of noise cancellation

1:09:34

doesn't work. You got to have

1:09:36

both. Right. Right. Yes. Did you

1:09:38

play with the spatial audio stuff?

1:09:40

Yeah. Is that a new thing?

1:09:42

It's the last couple years. But

1:09:44

I hate it. So really? There's

1:09:46

a couple of different ways it

1:09:48

works. One, you can have it

1:09:51

where it's like it's locked to

1:09:53

your device. So like right now

1:09:55

my Mac book is off to

1:09:57

my left and it would sound

1:09:59

like it's coming. out of my

1:10:01

left ear, then if I turned

1:10:03

to my head to look towards

1:10:05

it, it would equalize between my

1:10:07

ears. I find that super trippy.

1:10:09

And like, it doesn't make me

1:10:11

dizzy, but I don't like it.

1:10:13

No, I get, yes, I get

1:10:15

that. And so when I was

1:10:17

playing around with it, I looked

1:10:19

like a crazy person because then

1:10:21

I was in the, I was

1:10:23

in the kitchen, just like turning

1:10:25

my head this way, turning my

1:10:27

head that way. And just getting

1:10:29

a feel for it. What I

1:10:31

like about it is that I

1:10:33

kind of feel like I'm like

1:10:35

at a concert like oh like

1:10:37

there's music right in front of

1:10:39

me and now I'm turning and

1:10:41

oh music they're still playing over

1:10:43

there it's just it's just how

1:10:45

loud you have your headphones don't

1:10:47

worry about it we're going to

1:10:49

turn on hearing protection on your

1:10:51

phone when we're doing this yeah

1:10:53

but but I was thinking about

1:10:55

using it you know I use

1:10:57

them for working out I don't

1:10:59

use them at work. I don't

1:11:01

need to, you know, edit podcasts.

1:11:03

I don't need to listen for

1:11:06

specific things. I'm just listening to

1:11:08

music most of the time. Sometimes

1:11:10

podcast. Interesting. Have you heard of

1:11:12

podcast? No. They're not going anywhere.

1:11:14

I don't know. They're pretty big.

1:11:16

But when I think about using

1:11:18

spatial audio for working out, I

1:11:20

don't, I don't see any benefit

1:11:22

to that. I could only see

1:11:24

it being mildly annoying. like you're

1:11:26

doing yoga and you're turning and

1:11:28

all of a sudden the music

1:11:30

is moved and that might be

1:11:32

kind of disorienting or distracting one

1:11:34

yes yes yeah and even like

1:11:36

if you were I was thinking

1:11:38

about like if you were mountain

1:11:40

biking and you need to do

1:11:42

a quick head check because you

1:11:44

think you hear somebody coming up

1:11:46

on our left yeah then the

1:11:48

music moves that could be really

1:11:50

well connected listeners will know that

1:11:52

I only like walk or bike

1:11:54

ride with one earpod in because

1:11:56

airpod, got these names or so.

1:11:58

Only one airpod in because I

1:12:00

want to hear what's around me

1:12:02

and everyone was like, I like

1:12:04

them a lot. I could bump

1:12:06

up the base a little, but

1:12:08

as I, but that is, I

1:12:10

agree, I agree. And maybe I

1:12:12

can get out of the way,

1:12:14

or at least I know what's

1:12:16

coming. You know, like, if it

1:12:18

sounds pretty good, it's like, man,

1:12:20

your exhaust sounds good, and then

1:12:23

I get, never I try. So,

1:12:25

how do they sound? Good. Yeah,

1:12:27

I like them a lot. I

1:12:29

could bump up the base a

1:12:31

little. That is a setting though,

1:12:33

right? Can I? Yeah, I feel

1:12:35

like we had to do that

1:12:37

last time. There's some EQ settings.

1:12:39

That may be a fitment issue

1:12:41

too. Maybe try like one size

1:12:43

up. If you don't have a

1:12:45

good seal, the base is what

1:12:47

you lose first. Now if that's

1:12:49

uncomfortable, right? Like, there's a... It

1:12:51

wasn't. It just... Yeah, maybe I'll

1:12:53

try that. Yeah, I'll try one-size-up,

1:12:55

but there's also some EQ settings

1:12:57

on the phone, I think. But

1:12:59

it's kind of funny, because Beats,

1:13:01

again, is like, known, or at

1:13:03

least were known. I think, honestly,

1:13:05

I think most of their headphones

1:13:07

are much better now. But in

1:13:09

the day, they had a reputation

1:13:11

for just like, their EQ was

1:13:13

like, all base, you know. And

1:13:15

you know, a lot of people

1:13:17

like that, right. And a lot

1:13:19

of them. I do. I prefer.

1:13:21

I prefer. I prefer. I prefer.

1:13:23

I prefer. I prefer. Yeah, and

1:13:25

a lot of styles and music

1:13:27

benefit from it. So, podcasts don't

1:13:29

necessarily. But a lot of music,

1:13:31

a lot of music does. So,

1:13:33

overall, it sounds like we got

1:13:35

a winner. Yes, I'm very happy

1:13:38

with them. There's still a part

1:13:40

of me that wants to keep

1:13:42

using my old ones because they're

1:13:44

just broken in, you know. Like,

1:13:46

we have a long standing relationship.

1:13:48

They're my first loves. Interesting. So

1:13:50

both of us have a love

1:13:52

for past technology. I have my

1:13:54

first Mac in the other room,

1:13:56

like right right over there. I

1:13:58

feel like just one, don't play.

1:14:00

No, but my first one, that

1:14:02

Blue and White G3 from Ties,

1:14:04

I have. Yeah. Oh, I'm aware.

1:14:06

I'm one hugging. What's his name?

1:14:08

You don't have a name. You

1:14:10

know that Blue and White G3?

1:14:12

I don't know if you know

1:14:14

this. In college, I took the

1:14:16

translucent panels off. dorm room because

1:14:18

it was under my desk in

1:14:20

my dorm room. It's like my

1:14:22

server. I'm doing giant air quotes.

1:14:24

It just put my iTunes library

1:14:26

on the floor. With all your

1:14:28

music. Yeah. And because the university

1:14:30

members at the time had a

1:14:32

flat network, I could get to

1:14:34

it from anywhere and from the

1:14:36

outside. Hopefully that's not how this

1:14:38

university network works anymore. This is

1:14:40

a public IP address. What is

1:14:42

happening. But I took the panels

1:14:44

off and with like a fat

1:14:46

sharpie like made the G3 darker.

1:14:48

So it like stands out more.

1:14:50

In the case, I was really

1:14:53

cool. Why did you marry me?

1:14:55

Well, Mary, thank you for joining

1:14:57

us. Yeah. It's always fun to

1:14:59

have you on. Glad to be

1:15:01

here. And Federico is sorry he

1:15:03

missed this. We tried, it's a

1:15:05

little behind the scenes. You work

1:15:07

as a teacher, and so your

1:15:09

schedule is like, you're out of

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the house early in the morning

1:15:13

until the afternoon. We had a

1:15:15

couple snow days last week, and

1:15:17

we tried aligning like where all

1:15:19

three of us could be on,

1:15:21

because I think you wanted to

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grill you about me. Probably, probably.

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But it just didn't pan out.

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So just the two of us,

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but Federico says hello and sorry

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he missed you. Teaching will just

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set up another time for talking

1:15:35

about. Face timing right now. So,

1:15:37

all right, well, back to the

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1:15:41

and Mary. I would have quizzed

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Mary on a whole bunch of

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things. But you did a good

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job. And I especially love the

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sound effects. Those are fun. Those

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are fun. They're fun to do.

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Maybe we'll have the two of

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y'all do something to some point.

1:15:57

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