0:00

Now, listen, the enemy is going to try to throw

0:02

desires at you. I mean, he'll do it.

0:04

He'll suggest things, give images that will

0:07

try. You have a

0:09

choice. You can accept those or

0:11

you can reject them. Now, how do

0:13

you accept them? By flirting with those

0:15

thoughts, dwelling on those thoughts. That

0:18

is conception of sin, James

0:20

says. It starts with conception.

0:23

Then it turns to a stronger desire. And

0:27

then it has the sin, the action

0:30

of sin. And when it's full grown, it

0:32

ends up in death. So that's

0:34

where you're going if you give

0:36

conception, which is dwelling on those

0:38

thoughts about, oh, wouldn't it

0:40

be better if I would have been married to that person? Wouldn't

0:43

it be better if I wasn't married at all to this person?

0:46

Why are you giving that a thought? You

0:48

are in a vow. So let's do

0:50

everything in your ability to keep

0:53

this marriage healthy. Hey,

1:01

everyone, welcome to Conversations. And

1:03

I'm John Bevere. It's sad to see

1:05

you. We're unsure of that. Well, that's because

1:08

we have so many podcasts, babe. I'm trying

1:10

to remember which one I'm on. This is

1:12

Conversations with John and I'm joined by my

1:14

wife, Lisa Bevere. And we're so delighted to

1:16

be with you guys. And I'm pretty excited

1:18

about what we're talking about because we

1:21

are talking about something that's very, very, very

1:23

important to the heart of God. And you're

1:25

going to want to listen to this program.

1:27

And if you didn't listen to our previous

1:29

podcast, I'd highly recommend it because we are

1:31

talking about marriage. And we talked

1:34

about it and basically got through one

1:36

section of scripture only on the

1:38

last podcast. And we're talking about

1:40

marriage because marriage matters. Matters. I love

1:42

that. Marriage matters. I'm waiting for you to say that.

1:45

Marriage matters and your

1:47

marriage matters. I don't want

1:49

it to just be this

1:51

impersonal marriage matters. I want

1:54

people to know your marriage

1:56

matters and your happiness and

1:58

health in America. matters.

2:01

It isn't just the husband's happy

2:03

and the wife's miserable or the

2:05

wife's happy and the husband's. God

2:07

wants the two to both draw

2:10

from this wellspring of their union

2:12

and be healthy, happy, and

2:14

holy. All of it. And so,

2:16

and the last podcast, I made a statement I

2:19

want to make it again. The Bible begins with

2:21

marriage and the Bible ends with

2:23

marriage. That's remarkable when you think about it.

2:25

And I'll give you the scriptures if you

2:27

want to hear them. Genesis 2.24, this explains

2:30

why a man leaves his father and mother

2:32

and is joined to his wife and the

2:34

two are united into one.

2:36

I love that. And then Revelation's

2:39

19, let us be glad and rejoice

2:41

and let us give honor to him

2:43

for the time has come for the

2:45

wedding feast of the Lamb and

2:47

his bride has prepared her

2:50

sith. She has been given

2:53

the finest of pure

2:55

white linen to wear for the

2:57

fine linen represents the righteous

2:59

acts or godly deeds of God's holy

3:01

people. Now I'm gonna say something here.

3:03

Say it. To prepare

3:06

to be the bride that

3:08

is worthy of

3:11

Jesus. Yeah. It says there has

3:13

to be righteous deeds. Okay,

3:16

righteous acts, actions.

3:19

Now I believe with all my

3:21

heart he did that first for

3:23

us. Yeah, he's the one that gives us the

3:25

white linen. Well no, no, he did that

3:28

first by he came to this earth. Sure.

3:31

Emptied himself of his God privileges, came

3:33

and died of death for his

3:36

bride that was absolutely gruesome.

3:38

I mean to describe it would just

3:41

revolt anybody. And he

3:43

did that so I kind

3:46

of see him as saying that

3:48

was my righteous acts, which by the way

3:50

was your redemption. So it's

3:52

kind of like tells me that there needs

3:54

to be action in marriage. Does that make

3:56

sense? All right. Even though

3:59

God joins us together made one. to

4:01

neglect a marriage is

4:04

not healthy. It's not

4:06

what God intends. God intends is

4:08

to actually have actions that do

4:11

what? That strengthen a marriage. So

4:13

what I'm hearing you say is good

4:16

marriages or a strong

4:18

marriage does not happen without

4:20

intentional actions. Intentional choices,

4:23

intentionality is so

4:25

important. Yes. So

4:27

Jesus, it says for the hope

4:29

set before him, he endured the

4:31

cross and his bride was the

4:33

hope set before him, which

4:35

I absolutely love that we are his

4:37

hope. He endured the cross.

4:39

So his action of enduring the cross

4:42

and then our response to

4:44

his action is that

4:47

we make ourselves ready.

4:49

He gives us, he

4:51

closes in his righteousness,

4:53

not our righteousness, but

4:56

we reflect that

4:58

clothing of his righteousness with

5:00

our righteous actions of

5:02

the saints. So I love all

5:04

that. Yes, so I'm gonna say in a

5:06

marriage there needs to be actions. And so

5:08

the reason I'm emphasizing this is this was

5:11

one of my great, great failures

5:15

in years past. It's when I

5:17

put, you know, ministry, the work of

5:19

the ministry above our marriage and

5:21

I was neglecting actions

5:23

that would be strengthening you,

5:26

building you, building our children.

5:28

And so I, when

5:30

I was reading this before in

5:32

prepping this morning, I really realized,

5:35

okay, there it's

5:37

more than just being emotional. It's

5:39

more than just having sex once

5:41

in a while. It is actually,

5:43

there needs to be actions in

5:45

creating beautiful garments for this union.

5:48

Okay, because there is a garment in our union.

5:50

You're saying kind of adorning the union

5:52

with your action. Remember what God said in

5:55

the book of Malachi we talked about in

5:57

the last podcast. He said, I hate divorce

5:59

because it covers... the garment with

6:01

violence. Remember he actually says that,

6:03

covers the garment with violence. Overwhelm

6:06

your wife with cruelty and then the

6:08

other one says it's

6:10

like an act of violence. It's

6:12

the New King James version but

6:14

it actually says you cover the

6:16

garment with violence. Now here's another

6:19

reference of marriage that God gives us

6:21

at Revelations and we're talking about

6:23

garments again and it's the righteous

6:26

actions. So being unfaithful,

6:28

neglecting the wife of your youth

6:30

and then divorce covers

6:32

the garment of marriage with

6:34

violence. Her garment with violence,

6:36

right? His garment with violence.

6:40

Doing things God's way, loving each

6:42

other, promoting each other, fulfilling

6:45

each other's, you know, seeking

6:47

to fulfill each other's desires and dreams. That's

6:50

covering our garment with beauty.

6:53

Well I think we've said it before that we

6:55

believe marriage is two people

6:58

committed to bringing out the best in

7:00

one another but even as you were

7:02

talking I kept thinking about the parable

7:04

of the talents. I mean you

7:07

can have a marriage where you

7:09

have a beautiful wife or you have

7:11

a godly man and you can neglect

7:13

that. You can just bury it. You

7:16

can say why agree to marry and

7:18

that's it. I didn't agree to bring out

7:20

the best in them. I didn't agree to

7:23

nurture her. I didn't agree to,

7:25

this is, I'm committed, I'm not

7:27

cheating on them but you're not

7:30

actually having actions that would

7:32

multiply your marriage, multiply the

7:35

goodness of God in your life

7:37

and marriage in your family. And

7:39

I think too many people are

7:42

careless with their marriage,

7:44

careless with their words around their

7:46

marriage, careless with what they see,

7:48

what they laugh at, what they

7:50

engage with. And again,

7:53

you know, going back to it, you've said it a

7:55

couple times about being

7:57

more action-oriented towards

7:59

men. ministry than

8:02

family, let's just

8:04

be honest, it's an instant reward

8:07

from ministry. You go

8:09

out and people are like, John, we've

8:11

come to hear you. We're so excited. They clap

8:14

for you. They buy your books and then you

8:16

come home. And

8:18

the contrast is so stark. It's

8:20

so stark. But God is

8:22

actually saying that at

8:24

home is more important. And

8:28

I think too many people are playing

8:30

to an audience that

8:32

is not important. And I'm

8:35

not saying being able to go out

8:37

and talk about virtual world. I find

8:39

interesting is you never, ever once in that

8:41

whole time said, I resent

8:43

you going out. You're

8:46

not going out. You always just

8:48

embraced it and even encouraged it.

8:52

Well, it was getting easier to have you gone. But

8:55

the only thing I did get mad about was golf. If you remember,

8:57

I used to get mad about golf because I felt like when

8:59

you were home, you weren't even home. Yes.

9:02

So what I'm saying is, is that I

9:05

wasn't being loyal. This

9:08

is interesting. Paul talks to the Corinthian

9:10

church. Now, remember the bride is

9:12

the body of Christ. The groom is Jesus. Right.

9:15

And God uses his marriage imagery all through

9:17

scripture. Right. I mean, in the Old Testament,

9:20

he said, I'm your husband. Oh, Israel, right?

9:22

He has the book of Osea, which I

9:24

just read last week, where Hosea actually marries

9:26

an unfaithful white Gomer. And yet

9:29

Hosea stays faithful to her. God

9:31

says, I'm staying faithful to you. You've been unfaithful to me.

9:33

But I love what Paul writes in

9:36

2 Corinthians. He said, for I am

9:38

jealous for you. Now, remember, this is

9:40

a church that is very carnal, very

9:42

much like a Western church. Okay.

9:44

For I'm very jealous because they've got strife.

9:46

They've got immorality going on. They're

9:48

suing each other. They're doing all these things to

9:51

just break the heart of God. Right. And

9:53

I'm jealous for you with the jealousy of

9:55

God himself. Yeah. And can I

9:57

say something right there? Jealous for

9:59

is different than jealous of. Yes,

10:03

he's jealous. Now I've been meditating

10:05

a lot on this this week. God is

10:07

jealous for us. Right. And he is a

10:09

jealous God. Now I'm gonna say this

10:11

everybody, I want you to listen to me carefully. God

10:15

is jealous in the sense

10:17

he wants our loyalty. Now

10:21

it goes on to explain it right here. I'm

10:24

just gonna say I don't know any young man in

10:27

the United States that if he got down on his

10:29

knee, open up the ring box and said to his

10:31

girlfriend, will you marry me? And she squealed and with

10:33

delight and said, yes, I'll marry you. Why is it

10:35

always the girl? Because we're the bride. I'm trying to

10:38

illustrate the bride. But you know,

10:40

I dated this guy in high school and I'd

10:42

like a couple nights in bed with him a

10:44

year. And I dated this guy in high school

10:46

or college. Even not in bed. What even

10:48

just emotionally involved? Yeah. And

10:50

yes, but I'll be with you 360 nights

10:53

a year. You will be

10:55

my favorite. I'll love you more

10:57

than them. No guy would go

10:59

for that because why? She's still

11:01

not loyal in her heart. Well,

11:03

Paul says, I'm jealous for you

11:05

with the jealousy of God himself.

11:07

I promised you as a pure

11:09

bride. I love this word pure

11:11

to one husband Christ, but I

11:13

fear that somehow you're pure and

11:15

undivided devotion. So purity deals with

11:17

devotion. You're pure and undivided

11:20

devotion of Christ will be corrupted

11:23

just as he was deceived by the cunning

11:25

ways of the servants. So there's going to

11:27

be deceptive ways

11:30

that the enemy is going to try to

11:32

get you to not be loyal. And what

11:34

I want to emphasize is it starts

11:37

in the heart because if you

11:39

remember from the last podcast, guard

11:42

your heart, guard your heart was

11:44

said when God was talking about

11:46

marriage. So where where

11:48

that unfaithfulness in marriage begins is

11:51

not if one of the

11:53

spouses jump in in bed with somebody else. It

11:56

is when you shut them off in your

11:58

heart. You. It begins

12:00

with desire. Yeah, it doesn't begin

12:02

in the moment. It's when you

12:04

go there with the thought and

12:06

then the action. You've

12:10

already been unfaithful when you're

12:12

meditating on actions of

12:14

unfaithfulness, even before you have actions

12:17

of unfaithfulness. So I can't say this

12:19

strong enough. If you really want to protect your

12:21

marriage, which you better because you made a vow

12:23

to God and to your spouse, it

12:25

begins in your thought life. It

12:28

begins in allowing

12:30

errant desires to come in

12:33

and entertaining them. Now, listen, the

12:35

enemy is going to try to throw desires at you.

12:37

I mean, he'll do it. He'll suggest

12:39

things, give images that will try. You

12:43

have a choice. You can accept

12:45

those or you can reject them. Now,

12:47

how do you accept them? By flirting

12:49

with those thoughts, dwelling on those thoughts.

12:51

That is conception of

12:54

sin, James says. It starts

12:56

with conception. Then it

12:58

turns to a

13:00

stronger desire. And then it has

13:02

the sin, the action of

13:04

sin. And when it's full grown, it ends

13:06

up in death. So that's

13:08

where you're going if you give

13:10

conception, which is dwelling on those

13:13

thoughts about, oh, wouldn't

13:15

it be better if I would have been married to that person? Wouldn't

13:18

it be better if I wasn't married at all to this person?

13:20

Why are you giving that a thought? You

13:23

are in a vow. So let's do everything

13:25

in your ability to keep

13:27

this marriage healthy. And

13:29

even if your spouse is not behaving the way

13:32

you believe they should behave, you can give that

13:34

care to God. That's what the Bible says, humble

13:36

yourself into the mighty hand of God, and he

13:38

will exalt you in due time, casting all your

13:40

cares on him. So you're saying,

13:42

God, I feel like my spouse is not meeting

13:44

needs, but you didn't tell me to control what

13:46

they do for me. You told me to control

13:49

what I do for them. So

13:51

I'm gonna do for them, but I'm asking you to

13:53

take the care of this, because this is a three-way

13:55

agreement here. This is a three-way vow here. Right?

14:00

So that's the way you handle it. I

14:02

feel like you said something that was really important, that

14:04

we can be self-focused and say, well, my husband

14:06

isn't doing this for me and he's not there

14:09

for me with this and he doesn't do this

14:11

for me. He doesn't do that. What

14:13

is the focus? The focus is me. But

14:16

when you get married, you

14:18

give up having yourself as the focus. It

14:21

needs to have an other focus. And

14:23

you're now like, yes, of course, of

14:26

course we want you to be happy,

14:28

but you will always be miserable when

14:30

you're always focused on what everybody else

14:32

isn't doing to you because you become

14:35

a victim. And so

14:37

when you say, okay, you know what

14:39

God, I am going to love my

14:41

husband the way he

14:44

deserves to be loved according

14:46

to he is your

14:48

son. And I'm

14:50

going to love him into a place of

14:52

wholeness. And I'm gonna love this who

14:56

he's becoming instead of attack

14:58

who he's been. And so

15:00

loving somebody, having that imagery

15:02

of love believing the best,

15:05

love speaking the best. And I'm not talking

15:08

about living in denial. Sometimes I hear

15:10

this younger generation and they're all

15:13

about their self care, their

15:17

self examining, their self, self,

15:19

self, self. And

15:21

I'm not saying to be completely

15:23

unaware, but we

15:25

have to remember that the

15:28

enemy of our souls will

15:30

always get us to focus

15:33

on self, focus

15:35

on what is not ours, what

15:37

we don't have access to instead

15:39

of what is ours and

15:42

what is in our control. I cannot control my

15:44

spouse's action toward me, but I can control

15:46

my responses. And I always go

15:48

back to what Jesus said. He's the light of the body is

15:51

the eye. If your eye is good,

15:53

your whole body is full of light. If your eye

15:55

is evil or dark, your whole body will be filled

15:57

with darkness. And if that darkness that is in you

15:59

is. light hugger or if that light that is in

16:01

you is darkness how great is that darkness and a

16:03

lot of people don't understand that He's basically saying What

16:07

the way you perceive things is the where it's going to

16:09

go Okay, the light

16:11

of the body is the way you perceive things. All

16:14

right, the way I see things So if

16:16

I see you is grumpy I see

16:19

you as contentious. I see you is

16:21

critical I'm actually

16:23

giving a vision for for

16:26

the enemy to work with just as I

16:29

mean I look at Jacob and I just read this,

16:31

you know this last month. I

16:33

mean it's fascinating make spotted in

16:36

speckled Walls

16:39

branches branches. Yeah, he just he just

16:41

whittled on of where the sheep eat

16:43

and The sheep end up

16:45

becoming spotted in speckles, but he takes but

16:47

when the weak ones came he pulled

16:49

away Why he pulled away the end of

16:51

them doing that right, right? I

16:54

mean if that happened with sheep, how

16:56

much more is that happened with us? So if

16:58

I got this image in in me Well, we're

17:00

seeing it happening right now. Okay, I

17:02

got this image at least is contentious.

17:05

She's quarrelsome. She's bickers She doesn't agree

17:07

with anything. I say she's resisting me.

17:10

Well, guess what? You're gonna

17:12

have a hard fight because I who

17:14

am one with you. It's like I'm

17:16

beating you. I'm not beating you physically

17:18

I'm literally beating you with the way

17:20

I'm seeing you in my heart. Well,

17:22

and also right now we have so much

17:24

concept You talk about spotted in speckled We

17:26

you can just open up your your phone

17:29

and on social media or entertainment and and

17:31

you'll immediately begin to think what? Why doesn't

17:33

my husband talk to me like that? Why

17:35

does my wife talk to me like that?

17:37

My marriage isn't like that Again,

17:39

we all know it's not real

17:42

but the constant programming

17:45

of comparison is Stealing

17:48

the strength of people to actually build their

17:50

own marriage to have a vision for their

17:52

own marriage to actually say What do I

17:54

want to see in my marriage? And you

17:56

know you and I have had so many

18:00

many opportunities to dream again. I mean,

18:02

I feel like right now we're in

18:04

a different season in our marriage, but

18:06

in the very beginning of our marriage,

18:08

we sat down and

18:11

we said, Hey, I said,

18:13

I don't want to marriage like my parents. And

18:15

you were like, well, I love my parents and

18:17

they're good people, but I don't really want to

18:19

marriage like my parents either. And we

18:22

thought, what do we want? Because

18:24

knowing what you don't want isn't

18:26

enough to build what you do

18:28

want. And we began to write

18:30

some things out. And I think

18:33

so many times we look

18:35

at what other people have and

18:38

it's covetousness, not inspiration. Like I

18:40

even remember when, you know, younger

18:42

times period and looking at older

18:44

couples and thinking, well, I

18:46

want a marriage like that. And

18:49

I didn't think they took it

18:51

away from me. I would think, how did they

18:53

get to that space? We talked about Elsa,

18:55

but there's been other people that have talked to

18:57

us and and and trained

18:59

us how to speak to

19:01

one another. And we have a

19:04

board members that are amazing and are

19:06

very involved in our life and say,

19:08

Hey, we want you to have

19:10

tools to build well. And I

19:12

think a lot of times Christians,

19:16

they understand the power of prayer, but

19:18

they do not understand the negative

19:21

or positive power of patterns.

19:24

Because when you have a pattern

19:26

in your marriage of criticalness, then

19:29

you're going to have this rut and you're

19:31

going to pray the problem and

19:33

never the answer. And so we need to be

19:35

people who say we're going to break the problem.

19:38

I had a beautiful young

19:40

girl not long ago and I sat down with

19:42

her and she was telling

19:44

me it's really some heartbreaking things that she

19:46

was wrestling with. They're newly married. I

19:49

listened to everything and

19:51

I said, do you

19:53

want to break the pattern? I

19:55

said, because I'm not sitting here with your husband, but

19:58

I can see that the two of you. have gotten

20:00

into a pattern. He does this, you do

20:02

that, he does this, you do that. And

20:04

I said, it's not going to change until

20:07

one person says, I'm going to

20:09

break the pattern. But most

20:12

people say, well, I'll stop doing that when they

20:14

stop doing that. And then there's the standoff. And that's

20:16

how we were. But when

20:18

one person says, okay, I'm

20:21

not going to respond in like, I'm

20:23

not going to slap when I've been slapped, I'm

20:25

not going, I'm going to either walk out of

20:27

the room, or I'm going to bless the person,

20:29

or I'm going to do the unexpected. And to

20:31

be honest with you, it's a way of taking

20:34

back your pair, because you

20:36

disrupt a pattern,

20:38

and you invite the Holy

20:40

Spirit and the standard of God

20:42

into that place. But I do

20:44

think too many people, they don't

20:47

understand that we all need tools to

20:51

move forward in our marriage. We can't just pray.

20:53

So what you're talking about, there's a

20:55

lot of things. And you talked about this. It

20:58

starts in the way we see. What you're saying

21:02

is so powerful, because I'm thinking, what

21:05

does God do? And Abraham thinks there's

21:07

no hope, even though God Almighty appears

21:09

and says, I mean, you're exceeding great

21:11

reward. There's no hope. God's chosen the

21:13

stars, which were innumerable, and chosen the

21:15

sand, which is innumerable, and then speaks

21:17

and says, so shall your descendants be.

21:19

So God got him to have a

21:22

different image of his life, and that

21:24

changed everything. Now, I will say in

21:27

a marriage, you've got two people that

21:30

are one, but we

21:32

have our own wills. And

21:34

God had two

21:37

children in a garden, and

21:39

they didn't do what he said. I

21:42

realized that there is individual

21:45

choice. But

21:47

I also realize that that

21:49

is a lot more rare than common

21:51

in the sense of with

21:54

godly people. Godly people

21:56

usually want to do what God

21:58

wants. But if you If

22:00

you constantly have the wrong image, there's

22:02

a culture of self. I mean, there's become a

22:04

culture. I got the wrong image of you and

22:06

you got the wrong image of me. That

22:09

we're starting already on the wrong, on the wrong

22:11

foot. And we don't have anything to build on

22:14

because there's no hope or vision. So

22:16

like you said, the comparison

22:18

is Instagram. It's tick tock. It's all

22:20

these things. Friends. Yep. Your friends talking,

22:23

sharing with you how great their marriage

22:25

is. When in reality, it might be

22:27

like, literally, I remember one of our

22:29

pastors from the stage said, they

22:32

never fought. They never

22:34

fought. And I thought, I

22:38

wish we never fought.

22:40

I can't believe they've never fought. John,

22:42

I, what is wrong with us? We

22:44

fight. Why did they never fought? And

22:48

then a nightmare explodes in

22:50

their lives. And I remember coming home and you

22:52

were in bed already. I was coming back from

22:54

Canada and I sat on the edge of bed.

22:56

I said, I'm so glad that we fought. And

22:59

I'm so sorry I

23:01

ever compared our marriage to their

23:03

marriage. Right. Because again, it's

23:06

your image. It's what you're building inside.

23:08

We're just failing. We're just failing and

23:10

they're, they're, they're doing great and we're

23:12

just crashing and burning. And, and again,

23:14

you know, it's, it's, it's,

23:17

you can have a bad rough

23:20

season in your marriage and, and, you know,

23:22

I, and I want something I want to

23:24

say. Yes. We talked about it. God hates

23:27

divorce, but he doesn't hate people who

23:29

got divorced. And I want to

23:31

just clarify that. So God hates divorce because

23:33

he said it tears people. It tears

23:35

people. It covers their ground with violence.

23:37

Exactly. It's a betrayal

23:40

of the vow, but God does not

23:42

hate people who have gotten divorced. And

23:44

I just, I feel like

23:47

on the flip side, I do

23:49

feel that it's become way

23:52

too easy to quit and

23:55

way more difficult to stay. And,

23:58

and I think marriages. are

24:00

worth fighting for. Well, you know,

24:02

Lisa, I think we were hoping

24:04

to do this in two podcasts. I think we need

24:06

to go one more. We

24:08

are out of time, but I wanted to talk

24:11

about the things that the apostle Peter said about

24:13

marriage as well as the apostle Paul in Ephesians

24:15

5, because I think there's a lot of debunking

24:17

that needs to be done that maybe some, you

24:20

know, chauvinistic men may have

24:23

kind of misused or maybe some

24:26

bitter women may have misused, right?

24:28

I think it's more than chauvinistic

24:30

men, but... Yeah, I think they have that... And

24:33

believe me, men can be bitter and... Okay,

24:35

so I don't want to say that only women can be

24:37

bitter. So I think what we

24:39

do is not try to finish this off. I

24:41

think we bring it right into the next podcast

24:44

and we didn't intend to do this,

24:47

but I think... Let's

24:49

put it this way. If you're single, you

24:52

may one day be married. It's good that you're

24:55

equipping yourself for that day.

24:59

Many of you are married. I think this is good

25:01

to help strengthen your marriage. Yeah,

25:03

and even so, it's how Christ interacts

25:05

with the church. Yes, and I

25:08

don't think you can invest enough

25:11

or too much in a marriage because marriage is

25:14

so important to God. I love what you said.

25:16

Marriage matters. And these are relational

25:18

equity things that work in friendships as

25:20

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