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visit conversationswithtyler.com. Hello

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everyone and welcome back to Conversations

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with Tyler. Today I'm

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happy to be chatting with Musa

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Al Gharbi. He is a sociologist

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and assistant professor at Stony Book,

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already a very well-known public intellectual, and

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October 8th is the publication date for

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his new and excellent book, We

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Have Never Been Woke, The Cultural Contradictions

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of a New Elite. I'm very happy

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to have blurbed it. Musa, welcome. Thank

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you so much for being here. And thank

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you so much for your kind words on the book. I'm

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sure you've been thinking about this question, but

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how much is the distribution of wokeness amongst

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the elites, as we saw

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maybe three or four years ago?