0:00

the beginning of March, seven bodies have

0:02

turned up in Connecticut, Rhode Island and

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Massachusetts. In some corners of social media,

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like Facebook, the idea that a serial

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killer could be on the prowl in

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New England is getting more popular. So

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far, law enforcement is not connecting the

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cases. Welcome

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back to Missing and Crawl

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Space. What you just

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heard was a news

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segment from Boston 25's Bob

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Ward speaking about a

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possible unknown serial killer in

0:56

New England. Welcome back

0:58

to the show. I'm Tim

1:00

here today with Lance. Lance, how

1:02

are you today? I'm doing very well.

1:05

Pretty rare that we hear welcome to Crawl

1:07

Space and Missing. in the same intro,

1:10

that's because we have something special today. It's

1:12

a special report, and that's the

1:14

only words that we can think of

1:16

to put this story out there as

1:18

soon as we possibly can, because in

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this world, true crime news breaks. It

1:22

breaks quick, and our job is to

1:24

try to get ahead of it, try

1:27

to put this information in front of

1:29

people. But Tim, how are you feeling

1:31

today? Doing pretty good over here. Yeah,

1:33

definitely interested in this story and want

1:35

to discuss it and kind of suss

1:37

out some of these details, see

1:40

what we think, see what the

1:42

audience thinks. I kind of

1:44

know what the people of New England

1:46

think based on these social media posts. So

1:49

today, Lance, we're talking about

1:51

the possibility of a serial killer

1:53

in New England, a

1:55

new and recent

1:57

one. been

2:00

several bodies. Remains of six people

2:02

have been uncovered in towns across

2:04

New England in the span of

2:06

just one month. So that's March

2:08

and April 2025. So

2:11

pretty startling information

2:13

there. A little hard

2:15

to tell how abnormal

2:17

that is though. I think

2:19

it's the period of time in which these

2:21

bodies are found. They're all found within

2:23

a few weeks of each other. All of

2:25

these have been discovered within the first

2:27

like four weeks

2:29

between the beginning of March and

2:32

the beginning of April. So

2:34

the latest one, according to

2:36

the newsfeed, unless you've seen

2:38

something different, was April 9th. Yeah,

2:40

that's what I see here.

2:42

And that is a unnamed and

2:44

very little information on

2:46

this deceased individual. No

2:49

gender or age. Okay, so let's go through

2:51

all this chronologically, but we're going to break

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Okay, so we are

5:58

discussing these bodies across

6:01

New England. So March

6:03

6th, there were two

6:05

bodies found, as you mentioned

6:07

Lance. There was

6:09

a woman named Paige

6:12

Fanon. She was

6:14

recovered by Norwalk Connecticut's

6:16

police scuba team and

6:18

their fire rescue team

6:20

on March 6th. Right.

6:22

So she was a

6:24

resident of West Islip

6:26

on Long Island in

6:28

New York and was

6:30

reported missing in New

6:32

York before she was

6:34

later found. So it's

6:36

a little hard to tell if

6:38

this death was suspicious or not.

6:41

Right. She was last seen on

6:43

March 5th, a day after she

6:45

was reported missing in New York.

6:47

So she was reported missing. She

6:49

was last seen, according to this

6:51

article from People Magazine and also

6:54

all of the other Associated Presses.

6:57

The day after she was reported missing

6:59

in New York, she was last seen

7:01

on March 5th and the body was

7:03

discovered on March 6th. And I just

7:05

want to give a side note here.

7:07

There is a GoFundMe 4 -page fan -in. Her

7:09

family so that they are able

7:11

to have the proper funding to do

7:13

whatever they need to do in

7:16

order to put page to rest and

7:18

have some sort of closure and

7:20

that's gofundme.com in loving memory of page

7:22

I'm gonna just spell this because

7:24

I'm not sure how to pronounce it

7:26

a L I E H S

7:28

That's her middle name Thanan, so we'll

7:30

put the links as well But

7:32

if anybody wants to contribute to that

7:34

they've already crushed their goal, but

7:36

hey keep it coming Absolutely, yeah.

7:39

And Paige was a

7:41

beloved daughter, sister, cousin, niece,

7:43

and her friend has

7:45

launched the GoFundMe. It's raised

7:47

over 14 ,000 at the

7:49

time of this recording. So

7:52

then also on March

7:54

6th, but this was in

7:56

Plymouth, Massachusetts, this was

7:59

178 miles east of Norwalk,

8:01

Connecticut. So, you know,

8:03

that's like a three, four

8:05

hour drive. there. And

8:08

so this person is unnamed

8:10

and there's no information

8:12

on gender or age. This

8:15

was basically bones that were

8:17

discovered in the woods by a

8:19

hunter. They found the

8:21

top half of a human skull

8:23

with its jaw and nasal

8:26

area missing. There's no

8:28

further information on

8:30

this which doesn't really

8:32

indicate right now

8:34

that the body of

8:36

page and this

8:38

body are connected. Very

8:40

far apart, one was

8:42

discovered very soon after she

8:45

disappeared, so Paige Fanon was discovered

8:47

just a couple of days

8:49

after she disappeared. This one looks

8:51

like a lot of decomposition

8:53

has taken place, a

8:56

lot of dismemberment has taken place,

8:58

or a lot of maybe wear

9:00

due to weather, animals. but

9:02

there's been a lot of breakdown

9:04

on this body. Yeah, absolutely. Impossible

9:06

to tell right now if

9:08

there was foul play suspected.

9:11

That's correct. And the remains were

9:13

found by a hunter. So

9:16

this could be a coincidence. Paige

9:18

Fanon's body is discovered then the

9:20

same day by coincidence another body is

9:22

discovered by a hunter. That happens

9:24

a lot. But we can

9:27

see two bodies in the

9:29

same day in a remotely similar

9:31

area in New England. We'll

9:33

say New England. Just keep it

9:35

in that circumference, that radius for

9:37

now. But no alerts. No

9:39

one's radar is going up

9:41

yet to a significant degree. And

9:44

then on March 19th

9:46

in Groton, Connecticut, authorities

9:48

recovered a body inside

9:51

a suitcase near a cemetery.

9:53

State police told People

9:55

magazine that they don't believe

9:57

there's any information suggesting

10:00

a connection to the discovery

10:02

of other remains and

10:04

Groton's police chief urged people

10:06

not to rush to

10:09

judgment and Groton is about

10:11

80 miles east of

10:13

Norwalk, which is where Page

10:15

was found So again,

10:18

not very close, but

10:20

this sure seems like foul play.

10:22

I think the suitcase indicates that

10:24

there was some level of foul

10:26

play. There was a Reddit

10:28

commenter who said, uh, inside of

10:30

a suitcase, not cool. So I

10:32

agree with that Redditor that yes,

10:34

a body inside of a

10:36

suitcase is not cool and it's

10:39

indicative of foul play. And with

10:41

the other two bodies and the

10:43

second one being in a state

10:45

of. decomposition the

10:47

way it was and not being

10:49

able to be identified same thing

10:51

with this one unidentified female 40

10:54

to 60 years old there was

10:56

a little part of me that

10:58

that started thinking like is somebody

11:00

now getting rid of their bodies

11:02

have they done this a long

11:04

time ago within the past like

11:07

decade or so and now they're

11:09

depositing the bodies because maybe they

11:11

got a little bit lazy with

11:13

the work that they did with

11:15

Paige Fannin And that was the

11:17

little tiny part of me that

11:20

was thinking about it, but I

11:22

can't help that from entering into

11:24

my mind. Well, this unnamed female

11:26

is between the ages of 40

11:28

and 60 with light pigmented skin.

11:30

They also believe the victim may

11:33

have had Turner syndrome, which includes

11:35

symptoms such as short stature, broad

11:37

chest, short, wide neck and small

11:39

chin, which can be. you

11:41

know, identifying and that's why

11:43

we're mentioning it here. But

11:46

there were also some rumors

11:48

online swirling about a suspicious

11:50

man at Bluff Point State

11:52

Park on April 3rd. And

11:54

so Grotten Police were taking

11:57

tips about that and apparently

11:59

someone said that the suspicious

12:01

man had a knife unconfirmed

12:03

at this point. And

12:06

Groton police are also investigating a

12:08

disappearance of a man named Steven

12:10

Gush, who went missing on March

12:13

and is yet to be

12:15

found. Kind of a bigger

12:17

man, 6 '2", 230 pounds, around

12:19

38 years old, last seen

12:21

March 29th, 2025, actually

12:23

in Ledger, Connecticut, but all pretty

12:26

close. So we'll keep an eye

12:28

on that case as well. For

12:30

sure. And the person who said

12:32

that they saw an individual with

12:34

a knife, There's a quote in

12:36

this article from News 8 that

12:38

is a portion of the call

12:41

that apparently went into the police

12:43

department in Groton. This

12:45

is a quote, I went back around, turned the

12:47

other way. He went back the other way

12:49

and then he started walking back as I turned

12:51

around to walk back to the car. So

12:53

that was just a portion

12:56

of the call. But yeah,

12:58

apparently the person was rumored

13:00

to have a knife or

13:02

a switchblade. No other news

13:04

on this. particular body found

13:06

at this point other than

13:08

our speculation. But

13:10

it seems like pretty solid

13:12

speculation that this was a

13:14

murder victim. I agree. I

13:16

also agree that the police

13:18

chief urging people not to

13:20

quote rush to judgment is

13:22

the police chief trying to

13:24

get out ahead of what

13:27

he's already seeing and hearing

13:29

amongst the masses. Not

13:31

so much like the mainstream media,

13:33

but I can imagine that he's got

13:35

some sort of finger on the

13:37

pulse of what is being discussed on

13:39

social media about this. I think

13:42

serial killer Had started to be like

13:44

thrown out there at this point.

13:46

Absolutely definitely on social media and that's

13:48

typically where some kind of drum

13:50

beats start But it has been covered

13:52

by more mainstream media recently but

13:54

It sure seems like this is really

13:56

reaching far on social media. A

13:59

lot of shares, a lot of likes

14:01

on stories regarding this. So we

14:03

kind of owe it to ourselves and

14:05

our audience to look into it

14:07

a little bit. Yeah. And right off

14:09

the top, I mean, maybe not

14:11

right off the top, but at this

14:14

moment, I'll just say people should

14:16

start to become aware of their surroundings.

14:18

Stay safe out there. I mean,

14:20

we don't know. We have our opinions,

14:22

but now we're seeing a body

14:24

inside of a suitcase. near

14:26

a cemetery, two other

14:28

bodies. So, you know, just

14:31

a general blanket. Hey, keep your

14:33

head on a swivel. And then

14:35

on March 20th in New Haven,

14:37

Connecticut, authorities found the body of

14:39

Denise Leary. And she

14:41

had been missing since September

14:43

of 2024. And she

14:46

was discovered in a

14:48

wooded area near a home.

14:51

So not... woods not like a

14:53

forest but in the woods

14:55

near a home in an advanced

14:57

state of decay is what

14:59

the police said. And

15:01

police also claim that

15:03

Leary suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.

15:07

And New Haven is about 156 miles

15:09

west of Plymouth and about 50 miles

15:11

west of Groton. And I did look

15:13

into this case a little bit. Lance

15:16

and it was a pretty

15:18

mysterious disappearance from the get -go.

15:20

Yeah, because She seemed to have

15:22

jumped out her window Yeah,

15:24

she climbed out her window using

15:26

some form of a cable

15:29

Yeah, and locked the bedroom door

15:31

behind her right so when

15:33

her son attempted to Open the

15:35

door to knock on her

15:37

door She was not there and

15:39

they called the paramedics who

15:41

opened the door and found that

15:43

She was not in the

15:46

room at all, but they did

15:48

find evidence that she may

15:50

have climbed out of the window

15:52

using a cable. And

15:54

there were, I think, footprints on

15:56

the ground, right? Yes, also footprints

15:58

on the ground. So authorities say

16:01

their investigation, quote, has not indicated

16:03

evidence of foul play, end quote,

16:05

at this point. Right. There

16:07

was a moment a

16:10

few nights prior to her

16:12

disappearance, and this is from an

16:14

NBC News article. So

16:16

Joshua Webb, Denise's son, had

16:19

said that he had found her behavior

16:21

concerning. This is a few nights before she

16:23

disappeared, and this is his quote from

16:25

that article. Around 10 .30 p .m. she said

16:27

she was going out, still quoted,

16:29

she was like, turn my location off

16:31

on my phone, end quote. And then quoting

16:33

again, so I tried to look out

16:35

the window to see who was picking her

16:38

up. So apparently around

16:40

10 30 p .m. He was under the

16:42

impression that his mom was going out

16:44

didn't want to be located so she

16:46

told him to turn the location off

16:48

on her phone and Apparently someone was

16:50

picking her up. He said that he

16:52

couldn't see who was picking his mother

16:55

up But she did return home safe

16:57

that night. It was a few days

16:59

later where he had knocked on the

17:01

bedroom door There was no answer and

17:03

I can't even imagine the the feeling

17:05

someone I don't care how old you

17:07

are like you're knocking on your mom's

17:09

bedroom door and there's no answer and

17:12

time goes by and time goes by

17:14

and you have to call your grandmother

17:16

to come over and when they finally

17:18

get into the room they realize that

17:20

it was locked from the inside and

17:22

she wasn't in there so I mean

17:24

we're already like this is a very

17:26

tragic situation as we're talking through it

17:29

scary and tragic yeah yeah no signs

17:32

necessarily of foul

17:34

play, but still

17:36

unclear on what happened to Denise.

17:39

Okay, that brings us to March

17:41

26th in Foster, Rhode Island. A

17:44

woman named Michelle Romano,

17:46

56 years old, was

17:48

found eight months after

17:50

she disappeared, and

17:52

her remains were found in a

17:54

wooded area And investigators began looking

17:56

into the suspicious circumstances surrounding her

17:58

death. There's a little bit here

18:00

from People Magazine. A man in

18:02

the neighborhood. said that his dog

18:05

may have noticed the remains before

18:07

they were found by the individual

18:09

who ended up reporting it. And

18:11

the quote here, I know my dog has

18:13

been acting strange when he comes out here, end

18:16

quote, but that was the neighbor,

18:18

Tom Slater. He says he's

18:20

always sniffing over that way. I don't know

18:22

how long the body has been over there, but

18:24

he would pick up on it. And

18:27

Foster is about 89

18:29

miles northeast of New

18:31

Haven. So again,

18:33

nothing. super close tying

18:35

these bodies together, you know,

18:37

this is a lot of driving

18:39

going on here if we're

18:41

talking about one killer. Yeah, yeah.

18:44

Again, there's that little small part

18:46

of me that's thinking like it's

18:48

the right amount of driving. If

18:50

you want to spread out the

18:53

remains of the individuals that you

18:55

have, you know, perpetrated these crimes

18:57

on and not just left them

18:59

in one area. So

19:01

it kind of spreads out the triangulation

19:03

of trying to figure out who this

19:05

person is. But you know, I think

19:07

personally speaking, I'm not leaning towards serial

19:10

killer right now, but it is interesting

19:12

that these bodies are coming up within

19:14

a few weeks of each other within

19:16

like one week of each other, one

19:18

after the other. And in the

19:20

case of Michelle Romano, her family

19:22

does have a Facebook Justice

19:25

for Michelle Romano, so that's on

19:27

Facebook, and they have a statement that

19:29

they wrote on April 1st when

19:32

the day after, I believe, they received

19:34

the news that their mother had

19:36

been found. At least that's what the

19:38

post says on April 1st, and

19:40

they say yesterday the family received the

19:42

news about Michelle being found, and

19:44

they requested privacy. So the only thing

19:46

beyond... we're going to talk about

19:49

here is that she was found. And

19:51

the number that they give here, if

19:53

there's any information that people would have on

19:55

Michelle's death, they want

19:57

individuals to call the Rhode

19:59

Island State Police at

20:02

401 -647 -8039. And you can

20:04

remain anonymous. But

20:06

again, I think it goes without

20:08

saying that all the families in

20:10

these situations probably want to have

20:12

some degree of privacy. And what,

20:14

again, we're trying to do here

20:16

is I guess respectfully

20:18

deliver this. breaking

20:20

news story. serial

20:50

killer as that is

20:52

absolutely not the case. So

20:54

it sounds like the

20:56

family has some known person

20:58

or persons in mind

21:00

and they also share the

21:02

phone number 401 468

21:04

4233. So on April

21:06

9th in killing Lee Connecticut,

21:09

which is a little bit

21:11

further north. It's about

21:13

84 miles from New Haven,

21:15

Connecticut. It's close to

21:17

the Rhode Island in Massachusetts.

21:20

borders. There was

21:22

another body found unnamed no

21:24

information on gender or age

21:26

but found by the Connecticut

21:28

State Police and they said

21:30

the investigation is in the

21:32

early stages it remains active

21:34

and ongoing and there's no

21:37

information at this time suggesting

21:39

any connection to similar remains

21:41

discovered actively under investigation by

21:43

Connecticut State Police or other

21:45

Connecticut law enforcement agencies. Okay

21:47

so What we have here

21:49

are six bodies, three that

21:51

have been identified and three

21:53

that at this point are

21:55

not identified. I didn't want

21:57

to say beyond identification because

21:59

they'll eventually make a match

22:02

here, but I can imagine

22:04

that all of the usual

22:06

organizations are mobilizing their resources

22:08

to make sure that these

22:10

individuals who have not been

22:12

identified. will eventually become

22:14

identified. I can't imagine that

22:16

authorum labs isn't somehow being

22:18

contacted about these three bodies.

22:21

I think the first thing that

22:23

law enforcement has to say is

22:25

that in the early stages, the

22:27

investigation is active and ongoing. And

22:30

yeah, there's no information that links

22:32

any of these bodies to one

22:34

another other than the timeframe that

22:36

they were found. This area for

22:38

anybody who doesn't know or who

22:41

You know, anyone is not familiar

22:43

with New England. This is all

22:45

southeastern New England. This does not

22:47

travel up into Vermont. It

22:49

does not run alongside the

22:52

Connecticut River Valley because I

22:54

have seen that the Connecticut

22:56

River Valley killer has been

22:58

brought into the conversation. That

23:01

was more like, you

23:03

know, mid Vermont, New Hampshire,

23:05

state line area along

23:07

Highway 91. And this

23:09

all runs along the southeast

23:11

coast and then a little

23:13

bit northwest, a little bit

23:15

northwest, once you get into

23:18

Connecticut with Killingly and Foster. And

23:20

then we go to

23:22

Plymouth, Massachusetts, which

23:25

is the town right before

23:27

you enter Cape Cod.

23:29

So that is definitely coastal.

23:32

And then Framingham is more western in

23:34

Massachusetts, but not deep west. It's

23:36

still remaining more eastern. in the southeastern

23:38

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we're back to the program. There's

26:15

also this Facebook group that

26:17

is mentioned in some of these

26:19

articles. It's called New England

26:21

SK. That's the name of the

26:23

group SK for serial killer.

26:25

It is a private group on

26:28

Facebook, only 18 ,000 members at

26:30

this point. I joined this

26:32

morning Lance and I'm just kind

26:34

of perusing the group a

26:36

little bit. And so it's

26:38

really people talking back and

26:40

forth. Actually, I see Brittany T's

26:42

name come up here. So

26:44

people are kind of just brainstorming

26:46

in this group. Obviously, if

26:48

you're talking about a serial killer

26:50

being active in an area,

26:52

then you're going to look at

26:54

other missing persons cases that

26:57

are in similar areas and you're

26:59

going to wonder or consider

27:01

those. So that's probably why

27:03

Brittany T's case is mentioned

27:05

in here. It would be kind

27:07

of in a little north of the

27:09

pocket of most of the bodies that

27:11

had been found. So I think we're

27:13

at the tipping point here in the

27:15

conversation where we start bringing up other

27:17

people being missing. And it's by no

27:19

like, we're not trying to, and when

27:21

I say we, not just you and

27:23

I, the general public starts discovering these

27:25

other individuals and we brought up Stephen

27:27

Gush because that was part of the

27:29

research, his name came up, and now

27:31

we're getting into Brittany T. So.

27:35

That's where it starts getting, it

27:37

starts to feel like the balloons

27:39

inflating and inflating. So we just

27:41

want to be clear that we're

27:43

not saying every single individual that

27:45

has ever gone missing in this

27:47

area is connected. This is just

27:49

the, these are just the names

27:51

that come up as you start

27:53

digging into it and you have

27:55

to kind of, I don't know,

27:57

like find like a focus. You

27:59

have to like adjust your focus

28:01

on what is currently being released for

28:03

news. Right and so

28:05

this Facebook group definitely has

28:07

some some creepy posts as

28:09

far as people kind of

28:11

Trying to suss out whether

28:13

or not there's a serial

28:15

killer in New England There's

28:18

a photo that someone posted

28:20

of a man in the

28:22

woods looks like he's wearing

28:24

like a gray mask actually

28:26

looks quite spooky definitely No

28:28

confirmation that this is connected

28:30

to anything, but I think you

28:33

know like Facebook groups go

28:35

There's there's brainstorming right and that's

28:37

what it is and certainly

28:39

this person in this picture cannot

28:41

be identified, but it is

28:43

a a spooky photo To

28:46

say the least and I'll just

28:48

try to advise people like I don't

28:50

want to be preachy or anything

28:52

like that But there are families who

28:54

are connected to these victims and

28:56

If you are posting creepy poems and

28:59

claiming that it's something it's not

29:01

then you're really not doing Anybody any

29:03

service including yourself? So if you

29:05

have the urge to do that, please

29:07

refrain from doing that and Tim

29:09

you just this is breaking news during

29:12

breaking news. You just sent me the

29:14

image of this person with

29:17

like a leather face mask?

29:19

Yeah, it kind of looks like a leather face mask with

29:21

glasses over it. Yeah, I

29:23

don't know. It could be

29:26

some sort of protection for

29:28

insects that one would wear

29:30

over their head like a

29:32

hood or something, but it

29:34

is an eerie picture. This

29:37

person who was apparently captured on

29:39

a game camera. And

29:41

it was from the Great Cedar Swamp

29:43

in Carver. So Carver

29:45

is just southwest, like

29:48

just southwest of Plymouth, Massachusetts.

29:50

Yeah, definitely some unconfirmed rumors and

29:52

things like that. But again,

29:54

I don't want to make it

29:56

seem like I'm annoyed by

29:58

this group. I'm not at all.

30:00

It's brainstorming. Yeah. Yeah, it's

30:03

brainstorming. Yeah. Yeah, Abby Flynn comes

30:05

up here in this group

30:07

as well. And that was a

30:09

woman that we covered a

30:11

couple of years ago who went

30:13

missing from Gloucester, Massachusetts. She

30:15

was 59 when she went missing

30:17

before a Super Bowl party

30:19

on Sunday, February 2nd, 2020. That

30:22

was from Gloucester, Massachusetts. So

30:24

other missing persons, flyers are

30:27

posted here. There's... a story

30:29

about a violent man who was

30:31

granted a release. Obviously, I'm

30:33

not gonna give that person's

30:35

name out right now. I

30:37

mean, there's like no end

30:39

to the speculating you can really

30:41

do on this, right? You

30:43

can group all these missing

30:45

persons together if you want. So

30:48

yeah, to your point,

30:51

just be careful with this information.

30:53

You don't want to... You

30:55

don't want to hurt families accidentally

30:57

or intentionally. Right, correct,

30:59

correct. The New Bedford

31:02

Highway serial killer is responsible

31:04

for the deaths of

31:06

at least nine women between

31:08

March of 1988 and

31:10

April of 1989. He

31:12

remains unidentified in our friend

31:15

Maureen Boyle is a great

31:17

author and she wrote a

31:19

book about this unknown serial

31:21

killer called Shallow Graves. And

31:23

we actually just replayed that

31:25

episode on Missing just recently,

31:27

just in the last few

31:29

weeks. But here's a

31:31

clip of Boston 25's Bob

31:33

Ward speaking with Maureen Boyle

31:36

about this new potential serial

31:38

killer in New England. In

31:40

the late 1980s, a serial

31:42

killer struck the New Bedford

31:44

area. Nine women murdered, two

31:46

missing. Author Maureen Boyle covered

31:48

the case at the time and

31:50

wrote a book about it. She is

31:53

skeptical that a new serial killer

31:55

might be at work right now. Just

31:57

because you have bodies found in

31:59

a variety of places New England, that

32:01

does not mean that there's a

32:03

serial killer on the loose in the

32:05

area. Boyle is concerned that online

32:07

speculation can hurt people. This is not

32:09

a game. These involve

32:11

real people these involve real

32:13

families This is serious business. So

32:15

I think what Maureen says

32:18

is 100 % accurate Obviously, this

32:20

is not a game. This is

32:22

these are real lives that

32:24

we're speaking about and there's no

32:26

evidence that there is a

32:28

serial killer on the loose in

32:30

New England and in fact

32:32

Probably only two of those bodies

32:35

those remains that we found

32:37

were definitely you know foul play

32:40

were suspicious circumstances. Maybe there's

32:42

more but that's unconfirmed at this

32:44

point so I'm not going

32:46

to rush to judgment on the

32:48

other cases but certainly you

32:51

found in a suitcase that that

32:53

would suggest foul play. Also

32:55

Denise Leary's death could be seen

32:57

as suspicious not knowing who

32:59

she was spending time with but

33:02

then of course you

33:04

know, authority said she was suffering from

33:06

paranoid schizophrenia, so I just am

33:08

not sure what to make of her

33:10

case at this point. Right, and

33:12

I'm glad that you played that clip

33:14

from Maureen Boyle because she has

33:16

done an extensive amount of research on

33:18

serial killers, and she is

33:20

just basically stating the obvious and

33:22

wanting to emphasize the obvious. Don't

33:24

rush to judgment. This is a story

33:26

that involves... only victims but victims

33:28

families that we want to be

33:31

very protective of and also again

33:33

that being said we have an obligation

33:35

to put information out there about

33:37

something that's developing in this true

33:39

crime world that we're a part of

33:41

and there are a number of

33:43

bodies that are found throughout the

33:45

country in clusters in certain areas

33:47

over the course of a condensed amount

33:49

of time like a couple weeks

33:51

or a few weeks or a

33:54

few months and it's just interesting

33:56

to me that these bodies are the

33:58

ones that are being highlighted right

34:00

now as opposed to any other

34:02

bodies that might have been found

34:04

in this area or in another area.

34:07

I don't know why I don't

34:09

know why it caught the zeitgeist

34:11

for today or for you know

34:13

the past month but it has

34:15

and it's going to be a

34:18

challenging tightrope to walk to deliver

34:20

the information as well as not

34:22

fully speculated or given to speculation.

34:24

Because I don't think speculation is

34:26

bad. Just don't give into it.

34:28

Right. Yeah. Don't give into it.

34:30

But I will say just. adding

34:32

on top of that, a lot

34:35

of times in serial killer cases,

34:37

victims are found in different jurisdictions

34:39

and someone has to make those

34:41

connections. Because a lot of

34:43

times the authorities, they're not calling

34:45

the other jurisdictions. So in

34:47

a lot of these cases,

34:50

famous serial killer cases, it

34:52

was journalists who connected the

34:54

dots that these victims were

34:56

met by foul play from

34:58

the same perpetrator. So again,

35:02

make it helpful speculation, I

35:04

guess, you know. Right, right. All

35:07

right, well, things are developing. Yeah,

35:09

we'll keep our eye on this

35:12

case and we will likely bring

35:14

in some experts for interviews on

35:16

this story as it develops. All

35:18

right, again, stay safe. All right, thanks

35:20

a lot for listening. Follow us on

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35:39

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35:41

return of grilling season? Yes,

35:43

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35:45

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35:48

new episodes again. Yes, our riveting

35:50

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35:52

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35:54

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35:56

That's the one, and we've got

35:58

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36:00

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36:02

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36:22

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36:24

years and more, let's continue to discuss

36:26

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36:28

investigations for the missing, and what

36:31

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36:33

talk about the psychology of serial

36:35

killers as well as other types of

36:37

psychology that are related to crime

36:39

and adaptable to missing person cases. And

36:41

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36:43

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36:46

are some of our favorite guests.

36:48

So join us for the conversation and

36:50

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36:52

Podcatcher. Lance,

36:55

come this summer, the missing podcast

36:57

will have been in existence for ten

36:59

full years. A decade is truly

37:02

incredible, and for the next ten years

37:04

and more, let's continue to discuss

37:06

missing person cases, our non -profit private

37:08

investigations for the missing, and what else

37:10

do we have, Tim? Well, we

37:12

talk about the psychology of serial killers

37:14

as well as other types of

37:16

psychology that are related to crime and

37:18

adaptable to missing person cases. And

37:21

family members and friends of missing persons,

37:23

authors, journalists, enforcement and web sleuths

37:25

are some of our favorite guests. So

37:27

join us for the conversation and

37:29

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