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Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio.

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I'm your host of Many Parasites, Katie

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Golden. I studied psychology

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and evolutionary biology, and today on

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the show, we're talking about some animals that

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you should not have as a pet unless

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you want to become extremely dead.

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From innocent looking beach beauties

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to our lovable goofy and deadly

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cousins, these creatures would

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sooner destroy you than cuddle. Discover

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this and more as we answer the age old question when

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does a kangaroo become your King

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of Doom? Joining me today

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is the Internet's zoologist TikTok

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Star and author of the book one Hundred

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Animals That Can Fucking End You.

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Mama, do welcome.

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I just want to say that was your radio

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voice. That was amazing. I want

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to be able to do that one day. But

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thanks for having me. This is really exciting.

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You're very welcome. That's about it for my radio

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voice.

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The rest of the show is just in my normal voice

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because I don't have written

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out for me what I say. So, Yeah,

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I love your content. I love how

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you make evolutionary biology relatable,

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exciting, fun and scary. It's

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it's definitely the kind of thing

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I'm super into.

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Well, thank you, I really appreciate it. My whole thing

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with what I do is I kind of wanted to make the

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type of content that I myself as a kid

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would have really liked not

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necessary for people that don't necessarily

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watch the hour long documentaries or they're not

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exactly Animal Planet like junkies the

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way I was, they could still get something out of

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the content because of just the way I

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present information. I feel like it's entertaining,

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it's funny, but you can also come away with

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it and learn something, and you have

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a bunch of things you can like take to your friends

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and start conversations, and you know, just being able

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to foster an interest in the environment the way that I

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do. Yeah, I think that's kind of the main goal

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of like the platform that I have, and that's been going

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pretty well so far.

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I think it's the absolute best use

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of tik talk because TikTok's very addictive,

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but I love just having these little,

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like little cookies of information

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that you get and there it

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is. It does remind me of when I was a kid

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and i'd watched Animal Planet, one of

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my favorite shows I think was like the World's

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Most Extreme and they do like a countdown

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of the most extreme animals, and that

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was always so fun.

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No, I watched that show religiously.

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Me too, just every day after

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school, and it was like it was so exciting

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for me. And so I love how you capture that

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excitement of like looking at some of

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the most intense animals that

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blow your mind that they even exist.

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Honestly, Yeah, even if you watch that show and you

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watch my content, you could definitely see

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like where I like took inspiration from

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it. Like that show was. As

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a kid, I wasn't really allowed to watch TV on the

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weekdays, that was the rule. But I was able to get

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around that because Animal Planet Discovery

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channels technically educational, so

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I was able to get away. So I was watching

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the Most Extreme all the time. I had even

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had blank CDs and I had my mom burn

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like episodes on the disc, so I just watch

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it whenever. Yeah, I love that show.

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We would have been friends in school because yeah,

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that I was all about that show. That was amazing.

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And so today we are doing

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kind of the most extreme animals in terms

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of how surprisingly deadly

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they are. I mean, these are not the deadliest

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animals in the world or the most dangerous.

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These are animals that you would not think

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are as dangerous as they

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really are. Animals that we love,

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that look innocent, that look beautiful, and

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definitely don't seem like they would pack

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the punch that they really do.

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Yeah, definitely. I feel like everyone can easily

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identify what animals are dangerous, the lines,

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the tigers, the bears. But a lot of times

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these animals that people like kind of take for granted

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that people just assume because they're cute.

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They kind of put human characteristics onto them

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to answer form size them and to be

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fair, I do that a lot of my videos. But I

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feel like when people like take that like

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out into the real world, that's when people like really

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get hurt. Like I don't know what the exact numbers

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are, but I know the animal that causes the most

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like injuries in America

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more than like the cougars and the bears,

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it's like bison. Yeah, because people will

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walk right up to these bison, these two thousand

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pounds bison, because they're like docile, they're

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pretty calm around people. If

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you're like respect their space, people will go right

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up to them and take pictures of them and then at least

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once a year somebody gets gets sent to the hospital

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because they get gored, and just

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things like that. Is like it's

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fun to like free people out with animal facts,

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but just also to like make people aware that you

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know, these are still wild animals, and you know

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you wouldn't say like that and that like an animal

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went crazy, it just did.

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What It's just an animal, yeah,

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exactly. Yeah, And I think there is

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this misconception that herbivores

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are harmless, that only carnivores.

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You have to worry about.

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But herbivores have a tough life.

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They have to defend themselves, and so they're

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some of the most dangerous animals can

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be herbivores. I mean, like hippos are

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much more dangerous than lions, and

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they're herbivores, but they are much

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more aggressive, much more dangerous. You're

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much more likely to be injured by

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a hippo than you are by a lion.

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And it is.

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Yeah, it is just respecting nature,

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not always thinking you can like stroll

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right up to an animal, pick it up,

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touch it without there being consequences.

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Definitely, something I would always say is

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that like when you're dealing with a carnivore, you have to

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you just convince it that you're not worth the calories.

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But for a herbivore, it assumes that you're

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trying to kill it, so it's trying to come after you first.

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Like that's why moose are like a pretty

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big problem, like more so

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than bears and wolves and cougars.

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It's the herbivores, like you said, like moose

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and bison, and even like deer.

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There are a lot of people in the hospital

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and a deer sent them there. So you know, it's just

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understanding that these animals have been around for

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like millions of years. They have developed these like

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ways to survive in like pretty harsh climates.

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And well they're not exactly they're

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not like you can respect

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them from like a distance, but once you like enter

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like their like environment, you

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can be conceived as a threat. And that's

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that's where things get bad for people.

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Yeah, yeah, it is. It's all about respect.

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You always have to respect nature,

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respect deer and they won't

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they won't come hunt you down find

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you. But

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yeah, so first we are going to talk

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about an animal that looks very

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harmless in fact, like

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you may be on the beach spot one

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of these and think literally nothing of

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it other than it's pretty and something

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that maybe you would want to collect as a beach

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comber, but you should never do that because

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they're extremely dangerous. And these

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are the cone snails. They're one of

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my favorite surprise

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dangers of I remember

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learning about these a long time ago and just

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being horrified at the idea of them.

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So, cone snails are

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a group of beautiful marine mollusks

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with these spectacular cone shaped

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shells, and there are many different species. There's

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over nine hundred species. They're

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found in warm tropical waters

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all over the world. And they look innocent,

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right, Oh, they definitely do.

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And I feel like just snails in general are just something

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cartoons teach a lot of people that snails are

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like harmless and slow and just.

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But these cone snails, one thing about them is

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they are what they are incredibly venomous.

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But it's not just one toxin that a lot of cone

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snales have different combinations of toxins

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up to fifty and like you said, there's nine hundred

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different types of cone snails, so there isn't one

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specific venom that one uses. That's

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why if you get stung, there

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is really no anti venom. All they can really do

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is manage your symptoms and keep you from like, you

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know, like gets flatlining.

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But yeah, and to be fair, like the chances

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of you dying from a cone snail with like media

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medical attention, you're probably gonna be fine. But like,

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all they can really do is manage your symptoms

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and keep you breathing because there's just so many

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toxins that they use. And another thing is they

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are ironically one of the fastest

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things on the planet. I don't know the exact number,

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but they strike faster

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than you can blink. They are incredibly fast

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because they obviously they can't move, so like

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whenever a prey item like a fish,

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gets anywhere near them, they have like a split

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second to like just

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ensnare them and just engulf them. So that's what like,

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if you're anywhere near them and you think like

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they really, they can strike you faster than

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you even have time to recognize what's going on. So

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yeah, and it's incredibly painful that

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no one wants to deal with that. So yeah, cone staals,

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you see them on the beach, do not do not

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pick. And that's the problem, right, because

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they're so colorful and a lot of people

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take that as a sign to pick them up. Their color is

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designed to tell you not to pick them. Yeah, because

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anything that isn't trying to actively hide

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from you, there's a pretty big reason for

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that. Like the poisoned dart frogs. The

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color, they're not trying to camouflage. There's

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a reason why they're like standing out somewhuch.

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So yeah, yeah, not

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pick them up.

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Yeah.

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Apemitism is when an animal has

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a bright color or pattern that

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is a warning to potential predators

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that it is toxic, poisonous,

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or venomous. And yeah,

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these cone snails are indeed very

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venomous, and like you said, you know, they

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move slowly in terms of locomotion,

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but they are able to strike

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extremely quickly like some kind of

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gunslinger. And they

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are not like your

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typical innocent little snail,

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marine snail. They are predatory

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carnivores and they are armed

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to the teeth. In fact, that injection

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the venom that they do is

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a modified tooth that

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is turned into a harpoon and

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it literally looks like a miniature

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harpoon, like a man made harpoon, just

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like tiny. It's hollow

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and it is attached to a venom snack

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and it shoots that out like you said,

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in an incredib do speed. It

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sticks into its victim, it injects

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the venom, and it uses this

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for both hunting and for

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self defense. So when it's hunting, this

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is great because it basically uh

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just ambushes its victim with this

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harpoon. It paralyzes

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it with these many like these conotoxins,

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like you said, many many different compounds.

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That's why it's we don't have a good anti

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venom, but a lot of these toxins are

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designed to like incapacitate its

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prey. So it basically, you

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know, just like freezes the prey

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and then that allows it to engulf

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it and eat.

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It and get that business done.

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And I love there's this technical name

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of the harpoon, which I actually just learned researching

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for this, called the toxogloss and radula.

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It's a it's a

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but yeah. It it does have certain

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species of cone snails. Like I

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mentioned earlier, there are many different species, but the larger

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ones, UH do have enough toxin

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to potentially kill a human. Now, like

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you said, it's very rare the

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cases where it has killed people. It's

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like sometimes like a freak

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thing like someone picked up I think two

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of them kind of held them up for a photo and they

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both got them right in the neck and

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that was fatal.

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But yeah, you do not, especially with small

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children. That's when they get the.

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Wor yes, yes, the smaller

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you are, the faster it's gonna get

11:29

through your bloodstream and it's the higher

11:32

concentration that's not good. But

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yeah, even if it's not fatal, it's

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very painful. So you do not want

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to uh to mess with these guys. So

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the the method of action of

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these conotoxins are like a lot of neurotoxins.

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Each species has its own fun cocktail

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of deadly chemicals, but it

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will sometimes block the

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receptors of your neural cells

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or sometimes interfere with nerve

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channels, which is bad for us in

12:03

terms of remaining alive or

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not being in extreme pain. But interestingly,

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the cone snails can also use different cocktails

12:12

depending on the situation, So like defensive

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harpoonings, the ones that we're

12:16

probably more likely to receive are going to be

12:19

designed to be more painful, whereas

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hunting venom can actually include

12:24

like painkilling properties and paralytic

12:27

because they don't want their victim that they're

12:29

hunting to freak out. They want them to just like

12:32

go still become subdued

12:34

as quickly as possible.

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Yeah, their whole thing is just just incapacitating

12:38

you as quickly as possible, even if it doesn't

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necessarily mean killing you. It's the same mechanism

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as a box jellyfish or especially

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the ukanji, which people can automatically

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identify as dangerous. But with the

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box jellyfish, they can't afford to have

12:52

their prey struggles since they might snap on their technacles.

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So they're just laced with all these

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millions of stinging cells like harpoo

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likes thinging cells that inject

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this neurotoxin that will paralyze you.

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That's where the intense pain comes from, just

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to like have keep their prey from struggling.

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And it's the same thing with the con snails, since they

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really only get one shot to like subdue

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their prey. The prey breaks away, then there is no second

13:17

attempt and they have to find somebody else. So

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it's really designed to just just take

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their prey down as quickly as possible, and that's

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where like the pain comes in and That's why

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depending on where you get stung, Like if you

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get stung on the hand or the leg,

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you'll probably be fine with medical attention. But if it

13:33

is one of those rare cases where you manage to get stung

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in the neck, that's where you can like that's where

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they first of all, that's incredibly

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painful, and

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once that venom gets anywhere near

13:43

your heart, like, that's how you can go into like

13:45

cardiac arrest. But of course those are like really

13:48

extreme cases. A lot has to go wrong for it

13:50

to get to that point. But you still

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don't want to take that chance.

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No, No, I mean, like, like you said,

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even if it's not fatal, the pain alone

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should be enought to stop you from picking

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up these guys because it's not something

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you I mean, it's like if you look

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I'll include this in the show notes, but if you actually look

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at that the

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barb that they shoot out, it does it looks

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like a tiny weapon and that goes

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into your skin. So that is and

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then on top of that the

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painful venom. It's not something you want

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to mess with. But there are medical

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uses for these conotoxins because

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it does interact

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with neural pathways with pain

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pathways, often in a bad way

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for you if you're stung by one. By

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modifying these conotoxins,

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it can actually potentially be a

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pain reliever. So there are

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studies going on to see like using

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not necessarily I'm not saying like, hey,

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it's going to be a pain reliever if you inject yourself

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with a con snail's natural toxins.

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That's not true.

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But by studying these toxins figuring

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out how they work, researchers

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can actually derive potentially painkillers

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that would be able to block

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or interfere with pain receptors,

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which you know, there may be some discoveries

15:08

in terms of pain management

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thanks to the cone snails.

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Yeah, like you said, it's about just being able to

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isolate the pain killing properties. It's pretty

15:17

interesting the way all these applications for

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all these like different venoms that normally you wouldn't

15:21

want to touch it all. Like I was reading

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the other day, like with box shellyfish. Historically

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people have been trying to isolate certain properties

15:28

or their venom to create like a form of

15:30

botox of all things, like from

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one of the most venomous things on the planet,

15:34

people trying to use it to I guess

15:36

look younger. So that's always interesting,

15:39

I do.

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It is something about humans, isn't

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it. We find something in nature that's

15:44

like incredibly dangerous or deadly, it's

15:46

like, how can we capitalize on this?

15:48

Like should I stick this.

15:49

In my face? Should I put it in my mouth?

15:53

It's makes you wonder about the first person

15:55

I ever tried it.

15:58

Yeah, yeah, I mean like there are

16:00

a variety of things that are good,

16:03

like you know, like spices and stuff, hot peppers,

16:05

and you wonder about the first person who like put that

16:07

in their mouth ad it and it's like, uh, oh this

16:09

is bad or actually maybe good.

16:14

It's funny because I'm pretty sure like the whole

16:17

reason of behind like the spice of certain

16:19

things it's to be a deterrent to keep

16:21

at them. And then we came along

16:23

We're.

16:23

Like that's we like

16:26

the pain. Yeah, no, that's exactly right. That

16:29

you know, the spices of like a hot pepper,

16:31

it's it's a deterrence for like

16:34

insects or other animals that would eat

16:36

the peppers. But humans

16:39

are like, hey, this is great, I love this.

16:42

Give me more pain that they didn't. These

16:44

plants did not calculate that

16:47

humans are so masochistic that

16:49

we would intentionally inflict

16:51

delicious pain on our mouths yep.

16:54

And then they have no answer for that stuff.

16:57

But we like them so much that

16:59

it is ended up being good for them or well,

17:02

I guess neutral for them, because we kept we

17:04

started cultivating them, so they did end up

17:07

surviving at least in a form

17:09

that we find

17:11

delicious input on our food. So

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we're going to take a quick break, but

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when we get back, we're going

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to talk about a

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animal that is very

17:23

jumpy, but that doesn't mean it's intimidated

17:25

by you. So

17:29

one of the most iconic animals in the

17:31

world is the kangaroo,

17:34

and they're.

17:36

Such a goofy animal.

17:37

I think like they've got these long ears,

17:39

these big feet, they hop

17:42

around. They're associated

17:44

with Australia, and they're

17:46

this big marsupial. They're so they're so

17:48

strange and funny and wonderful and

17:51

cute too, Like they've got these ctacute

17:54

faces that they

17:56

seem they don't seem like they would be dangerous.

17:58

It seems like you could beer

18:01

throw an arm around one and just have a good time.

18:03

Yeah, kangaroos. I have a theory,

18:05

a working theory about kangaroos, and it's

18:07

that they have gotten cocky basically,

18:11

like Australia doesn't really have a dominant

18:13

apex like a predator or at least

18:15

a land predator. I mean, you have like dingoes

18:17

and packs, and you might have large monitor lizards,

18:19

you have your go in this, but there isn't

18:22

like a large big cat or there isn't

18:24

like anything like that. So these kangaroos

18:26

are kind of I guess they're like they

18:28

got drunk off success. They didn't really

18:30

earn once you get like especially

18:32

the big bread kangaroos, the ones that can be

18:34

six feet tall, nothing can really you

18:37

know, affect them. So now they just I

18:40

don't know. I just see so many videos of kangaroos

18:42

just starting problems completely unprovoked,

18:44

Like they're honestly

18:46

like what deer are here, That's what kangaroos

18:48

are on Australia, only they actively seek

18:51

out cars. Yeah, Like I think I read

18:53

something about maybe nine out of every ten animal

18:55

related car accident in kangaroo was

18:58

caused. Well, I said in kan in

19:00

Australia was caused by a kangaroo,

19:03

And a lot of times they just walk away from it. While

19:05

your car's just like done for it.

19:07

So they're insurance

19:09

for like.

19:10

In cartoons exactly. You know what,

19:12

there has to be kangaroo insurance. Now, there's

19:15

no way they don't prepare for that kind

19:17

of thing.

19:17

I mean, there's Australia is so full

19:19

of these dangerous animals. I can't imagine

19:22

they don't have different speed like

19:24

insurance for many different species,

19:26

Like this is for kangaroos, this is for

19:28

getting a koala dropped on your

19:30

head and scratching your eyes out. There's got to be

19:32

insurance for everything.

19:35

There has to be. I mean, even like something like

19:37

there are brush tail possums. They become like invasive

19:39

in certain places. And every once

19:41

in a while something a picture will go viral

19:44

of one just breaking through the wall and yeah

19:46

sitting there. Yeah, like I've seen like

19:48

pictures of just their polishes hanging out or dry

19:50

wall or in one case this was really

19:52

funny, one broke into like I think it was a

19:55

bakery and they found him

19:57

like in a box of yeah, eat

19:59

and you.

20:00

It was just that picture.

20:02

You can catch me, but it's just done.

20:04

It's it's I've

20:06

already won. You can't take anything

20:09

from me for I am victorious.

20:10

Yet I love that picture.

20:11

That's like, I feel

20:14

like that is an embodiment of my attitude

20:16

sometimes where it's like, as long as I

20:18

have a pastry, no matter what has happened

20:21

to me that day, It's like if I get some pastries

20:23

in me, it's like you can't win bad luck,

20:25

like I've won today. I ate a bunch

20:28

of pastries and I'm covered

20:30

in delicious.

20:32

I love it. I love it. Yeah, there's

20:34

no regret in his eyes at all, none And I

20:36

couldn't even see his people, but you can see it.

20:39

No remorse, remorseless pastry

20:41

thief in my hero. But

20:44

yeah, so so kangaroos are I

20:47

love your way of phrasing

20:49

it. They have kind of grown too cocky

20:52

or maybe cocky enough because they

20:54

are the largest mammal in

20:56

Australia. They're also the

20:58

largest macropos. So macropods

21:01

are these large marsupials like kangaroos,

21:03

wallabies and possums. And

21:06

there's actually a recent news story about

21:09

a man who quote

21:11

unquote owned a kangaroo, was

21:14

keeping a wild kangaroo as a

21:16

pet, and this kangaroo

21:19

actually killed him. And

21:22

I think that it is I

21:25

mean it's sad when I hear this, you know, I don't

21:27

I feel bad because I think that if

21:30

people were taught more, learn

21:33

more that like you really, if an

21:35

animal seems okay, like

21:37

a wild animal doesn't seem on

21:39

its surface that dangerous, that does not mean

21:42

that you can turn it into a pet, because that

21:44

is going to, you know, potentially

21:46

be quite dangerous for you.

21:49

And this is not.

21:50

This doesn't happen very often, so kangaroo

21:52

fatalities are relatively rare. The

21:54

last reported attack was in

21:57

nineteen thirty six. So

22:00

they don't want to murder you, or

22:02

at least they don't try to murder you

22:05

that much. I can't say what they want, but

22:08

they will do it if they feel

22:11

like they must do it. So yeah,

22:13

keeping a wild kangaroo is a pet not

22:16

a good idea. So this kangaroo

22:18

that killed this man was a

22:21

So it was a western

22:23

gray kangaroo and a male.

22:25

So males are.

22:27

Gonna be, in general, a little more

22:29

feisty than the females. Females

22:31

can be feisty, especially when they are protective

22:35

of their joey's, but males, I

22:37

think, are the ones that tend to just kind

22:39

of randomly seek out confrontation.

22:42

Yeah. See with male kangaroos there the whole thing

22:44

is they have harems and they have to

22:46

fight for control of the harem, and then

22:49

if you lose, then you don't you lose the right to

22:51

like reproduce. So there can be really intense competition.

22:54

Even if that competition isn't there, that instinct

22:56

always will be. So if it sees you as a threat,

22:59

like it really doesn't take much for a kangaro to

23:01

hurt you. A lot of people see the cartoons with

23:03

you know, the kangaroo and the boxing ring. It's

23:06

not the punches you have to worry for. Like, what

23:08

they'll do is they have powerful forums. They'll hold

23:10

you in place and try to kick you, and

23:12

they have a long, like sharp

23:15

like middle toe nail that can easily disemvalue

23:18

and can cut through flesh. They've killed dogs

23:20

that way, especially since

23:23

dogs are you know, lowered the ground. So if it

23:25

cuts like a crucial artery, like

23:27

anywhere near the neck, or for

23:29

a human, if it cuts like the femeral artery,

23:31

that's where you can get in a whole lot of trouble because you will

23:33

bleed out. And that's like that's how they injure

23:36

each other. Like, kangaroo fights

23:38

aren't just like punching and kicking. They cause

23:40

like massive damage to each other where the

23:42

loser often sometimes

23:45

just dies, Yeah, just can recover

23:47

from those injuries. So that's like,

23:49

that's why, well, kangaroo attacks on humans

23:51

are rare. When they happen, they can be pretty

23:53

like catastrophic.

23:55

Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean sometimes

23:57

you might see like a photo of two kangaroos

23:59

and it looks like they're hugging, like it's

24:02

like, oh, cute, they're hugging. No,

24:04

no, they are having a fight because

24:06

the males will, like like you said, they'll hold

24:08

onto each other, lean back

24:10

on these strong, powerful tails and

24:12

kick and scratch at each other. And

24:15

they have claws both on their forearms

24:18

and on their hind legs that they can

24:20

use in with extremely powerful

24:23

kicks and armed with a claw that

24:25

can be very very dangerous

24:28

and so like. So the western

24:32

gray kangaroos, which I believe are

24:34

some of the most common kangaroos in Australia.

24:37

They're fairly large.

24:38

They can weigh around one hundred and fifty

24:40

pounds or sixty eight kilograms

24:42

for the male's females are a little smaller. Some

24:45

have been known to weigh up to two

24:48

hundred pounds or ninety kilograms, but those

24:50

are sort of the big boys. But

24:52

so much of that weight is like muscle,

24:55

and so much of that muscle is distributed

24:57

to their extremely powerful legs,

24:59

so that is not

25:02

something you want to mess with. And they

25:04

are not even the largest kangaroo

25:06

you mentioned earlier, the red

25:09

kangaroo, which is the largest kangaroo,

25:12

and it.

25:13

Is quite big.

25:14

They can be, like you said earlier, six

25:17

feet tall or one point eight meters or

25:19

even taller in certain circumstances.

25:21

They can weigh around two hundred pounds

25:24

or ninety kilograms, and they can

25:26

run over thirty seven miles per

25:28

hour or sixty kilometers an hour,

25:31

and they have three hundred degree

25:33

vision.

25:34

So if you think.

25:35

That you can escape an angry red kangaroo,

25:39

it's that you could not. If

25:41

they were determined to catch up to you and

25:43

find you, they definitely would.

25:46

Yeah, And the scary part is the way their legs

25:49

are and the way they like move they

25:52

actually expend less

25:55

energy, like the faster they're moving when they're just

25:57

when kangaroos are kind of like at leisure and they're

25:59

like raising. Uh. They actually spend more energy

26:01

doing that than when they're in a full out bound

26:03

going the thirty five miles per hour. They can like max

26:06

out at Yeah.

26:08

And with the guy, obviously it's like tragic. But

26:10

with like a male kangaroo, like the like I said,

26:12

the fights can cause serious injury and

26:15

no kangaro wants to deal with that, so they

26:17

have these ways to communicate that they don't want

26:19

to fight that they're like kind of letting the other guy like

26:21

you know, you're

26:24

you're the alpha. That's fine. They'll

26:26

do things like they won't make eye

26:28

contact is usually just bad with any animal,

26:31

especially like predator

26:34

based. They'll try to avoid

26:36

eye contact. They'll do this thing where they'll

26:38

cough, like that's kind of like an admission of

26:40

like submission where you're like basically

26:43

giving up before you like can potentially

26:45

get hurt. So I'm guessing with this

26:47

man, he raises kangaroo, and a lot of people

26:50

raise these animals like humans, So

26:52

things that like things like eye contact,

26:54

things like being loud. They they're doing

26:56

that with these animals, and eventually if that animal

26:59

feears threatened and you do those same

27:01

behaviors. It's going to see that as

27:03

a threat no matter what you tried to teach it throughout

27:05

his life. And I'm guessing I don't know the story

27:07

with this man, but it feels like the kangaroo

27:10

was like standing up to them. The guy

27:12

was like not backing down, and the kangaro saw

27:14

as a threat and just did what like instinctually

27:16

they've been doing for like a while. So that's

27:19

just it's sad, But those are like reminders

27:22

that these are wild animals and they don't

27:24

like not it's only a matter of time

27:26

before they like revert back to like their actual

27:28

wild behavior, right.

27:30

And we don't speak their language, so, like,

27:32

you know, you see this a lot in various animals.

27:35

They don't necessarily want to engage

27:37

in conflict all the time. They will if

27:39

they feel that they need to, but especially

27:42

with like male and male sort of like rivalries,

27:45

they will often have this

27:47

like if the winner is really clear,

27:50

this is when they can back down from a fight.

27:52

Like if it's not so clear who would win this fight,

27:54

then you may have quite a violent fight. But

27:56

if you have like a male who's like, oh, I cannot

27:59

take you on, and I do not want to

28:01

fight you. They have a communication system

28:03

for that because it is costly to

28:05

have a competition between

28:08

two males. And yeah,

28:10

I think that probably it sounds about

28:12

right, probably what happened, you

28:15

know, Like, especially if someone

28:17

raises an animal.

28:20

From a baby, like from.

28:21

A young animal, they may be surprised

28:23

when that animal reaches maturity and

28:25

their hormones kick in and their behavior

28:27

suddenly changes, because like

28:30

a mature male is going to be much

28:32

different from an immature male. I mean the same

28:34

thing with female animals in many cases. But

28:36

yeah, once they reach maturity, their behaviors

28:39

are going to be quite different, and it

28:42

can be more aggressive because you

28:44

know, this is the point at which they have to compete

28:46

for females, and so behaviors

28:49

you may have had with like a baby kangaroo with

28:51

a joey that the joey didn't you

28:53

know, get upset by.

28:55

The adult kangaroo may

28:57

get upset by it.

28:58

And again, if you don't know that much about kangaroos

29:00

or you don't speak kangaroo language, then

29:03

you're not gonna see that coming, that that change

29:06

in behavior where they no

29:09

longer think you're just playing around, They think that

29:11

you're actually a threat or threatening them.

29:15

Yeah, when a joy, when it goes from a joy to

29:17

a boomer, that's when that's when things

29:19

change. That's when the picking order changes.

29:21

In the house. Yeah. Yeah,

29:23

and it can be quite violent.

29:25

I mean this is half, I

29:27

would say, half myth, but there is a truth

29:30

to it, which is the idea that kangaroos

29:32

will try to drown you.

29:34

So I'm glad you I'm glad you

29:36

brought that up.

29:37

Yes, yes, So there's this, i

29:39

don't know what you'd call it, old wives tale, internet

29:42

rumor that kangaroos

29:44

will lure you into water so that

29:46

they can drown you, or lure a

29:48

predator into water so they can drown you.

29:51

The intention to like the

29:53

luring part of like, you know, trying

29:56

to get you to come in the water so that they can

29:58

drown you.

29:58

That's not true, care don't. They're

30:01

as.

30:03

Sort of pugnacious as they are. They

30:05

don't have like a premeditated murder

30:07

mindset where it's like I'm going to get you in the water

30:10

so that I can drown you. But it is

30:12

true that herbivores have a strategy

30:14

where they go into water when they feel threatened.

30:17

And this is not because they're

30:19

planning on drowning you. This is because often

30:21

predators maybe don't want to follow you into

30:24

the water, Like you know, it's more difficult

30:26

terrain for a lot of predators. They're

30:28

suddenly at a disadvantage because you

30:30

know, they especially shorter predators.

30:33

It's like now you don't have any terra

30:35

firma, any ground to like be able to

30:37

stabilize yourself against. So a predator

30:39

might just give up at that point. And that's

30:41

what the kangaroos do. But if

30:44

a predator does follow them into the water,

30:46

they're going to defend themselves, and for a

30:48

kangaroo, this may mean drowning

30:52

that predator.

30:54

Yeah, especially as bipeds. Again,

30:57

they can be pretty tall. So like

30:59

and I think they're the biggest predator might

31:01

be dingos, especially if they're like being hunted

31:03

in pasts. Yeah, So again, like

31:05

it's a natural prey response to like retreat

31:07

into water. Plenty of animals do it, buffalo

31:10

like, but especially

31:13

with kangaroos, Like they'll just go to the deepest

31:15

point. Now, if the animal happens to

31:17

follow them into the water again, like you said,

31:19

they'll use their forearms and try to shove

31:21

them like underwater until they either retreat

31:24

or they just end up drowning

31:26

them. And that's why since they like

31:29

had to deal with dingos for so long, they're basically

31:31

what I called like dog racists. So like

31:33

anything that looks like a dog, a kangaroo's

31:35

probably going to attack or attempt

31:37

to drown. So like if a kangaroo like runs

31:40

into water, that's kind of its

31:42

last stand because again it's not actively trying

31:44

to like lure people in, like because that's still bringing

31:46

conflict to itself and no animal really likes

31:49

that. But they do

31:51

have ways to like defend

31:53

themselves if they do get followed into the water. But

31:56

it does remind me of like this other myth where like

31:59

people would say that, well, for

32:01

the longest, people thought the komodo dragon it

32:03

was the bacteria in its mouth that killed

32:05

its prey, but really it's it's venom. The

32:07

problem is they do have like a septic

32:10

bite, and what do buffalo do if they've been

32:12

attacked, they'll like run into the water. And

32:15

then when you have like when you have this unclean,

32:17

unsanitary water around this

32:19

open boom, that's when they can develop like a

32:21

bacterial infection and that's when these buffy

32:23

loo can have these slow, painful

32:25

deaths, and that's how the

32:28

Komodo can end up tracking them, especially with their sense

32:30

of smell. They're like leather blood outs. They can

32:32

smell you at almost any point in the island.

32:34

It's they're actually they're legitimately

32:36

terrifying. There's no point you can go where Kamoto

32:39

will eventually track you down. But I

32:41

think that's where the whole bacteria thing came

32:43

from. But like most prey animals have like

32:45

an inclination to like get into the water

32:48

since most mammals have just the natural

32:50

ability to swim. So yeah,

32:52

they just feel safe the water. That's what they do.

32:54

And uh it behelve you not to follow

32:56

them in there.

32:57

Yes, yes absolutely, you know they come out

32:59

of dragon put it like that.

33:01

It reminds me of the movie.

33:02

It follows just like this this

33:05

very like this slow and steady

33:07

predator that's like inescapable.

33:10

It's just tracking you and as soon as

33:12

you slow down, it's gonna get you.

33:14

It's so scary,

33:17

it really is, because that's almost exactly

33:19

how they operate once like they I

33:21

think another thing is that people believe the komodo

33:23

will bite once and then let you get away and then

33:25

track you. Not really because obviously

33:28

if one komodo can track you, a whole bunch can. The

33:30

thing is they have the one bite, and

33:33

if you do manage to escape, they have such a developed

33:35

sense of smell that they can track you wherever, to

33:38

the point where people would say, like women

33:41

that are in their eventual cycle are

33:44

they should stay inside if they're anywhere in kimmodo

33:46

country because they really can get tracked

33:48

by kimmodo dragon. And I

33:51

don't know how often. I imagine it isn't too

33:53

often, but there have been cases of komodos

33:56

like digging out human graves and eating

33:58

corpses inside. They're like apex. Yeah,

34:00

so literally they can eat anything,

34:03

like including each other, like to the point where young kimodos

34:05

will often hide in trees where adult

34:07

komodos can't get them because adult kmodos will

34:10

eat baby kimodos like without

34:12

hesitation. They're like truly like,

34:14

uh, they're pretty

34:16

much like a relic from like back when we had dinosaurs

34:19

and everything, especially with like Megalaia. Megaladia

34:22

was just basically komodo dragon three times

34:24

bigger. Yeah, so that's

34:26

truly terrifying.

34:27

Yeah, that is.

34:28

There's it's it's how

34:30

methodical they are, how thorough

34:32

they are. They're like the scariest serial

34:35

killer where they can find you

34:37

anywhere, they have a great sense of smell, and then they're

34:39

so tenacious that they have the patience

34:42

to continue after Yeah.

34:43

It'll be days, days, they'll

34:45

come after you.

34:46

Oh that's so scary.

34:48

Well, we're gonna take another quick break

34:50

while I hyperventilate about Kimodo dragons.

34:52

But when we're when.

34:54

We get back, we're going to talk about actually

34:56

one of the for me, it's

34:58

one of the scariest animals, though

35:00

I also love it as

35:02

I yes, yes,

35:05

I love them, but they terrify

35:07

me in a way that I think no other animal

35:09

really does. So we will talk about that right

35:12

after the break. So

35:20

I finally got to see Nope,

35:23

it's it. I don't know,

35:25

of all the horror movies, I feel like this

35:28

one really scared me

35:30

in a profound way that other.

35:31

Ones don't really get at. I don't

35:33

know.

35:34

Maybe it's maybe it's because I love evolutionary

35:36

biology so much, and there are so

35:39

many references to evolutionary biology

35:41

in it, and it's like it.

35:42

Like touches on my deepest, darkest

35:44

fears.

35:45

Honestly, it's the realism that really got

35:47

me. Especially I don't want to give away too much

35:49

to anyone who hasn't watched it yet, but certain

35:52

things in that movie, so the scariest scenes,

35:54

those happened like in real life, especially

35:56

with one of the animals we're going to talk about. Yes,

35:59

yeah, in some pretty horrific like

36:01

attacks, and ironically

36:04

you don't even see it in the movie, but like you

36:06

get you see just how catastrophic

36:09

that kind of thing can be.

36:10

Yeah, absolutely, it's I

36:13

mean, yeah, the whole it does

36:15

touch upon and I don't think

36:17

this will spoil anything, but it will. It does touch

36:19

upon the sort of unconquerability

36:23

of nature in certain ways where

36:25

it's like we think that because we're

36:27

you know, we have our human civilization

36:30

and we you know, kind of have insulated

36:32

ourselves a lot, we feel

36:35

sort of all powerful in a way, but when

36:37

it comes down to it, we are not. And

36:40

that is a little bit humbling and scary

36:42

to think about. So the

36:45

most terrifying animal I think,

36:47

which is also an animal that I really

36:49

love, and that's chimpanzees.

36:52

So they are, They're

36:54

adorable, they are amazing.

36:57

There are close relatives,

36:59

and they you know, are highly

37:01

intelligent, and they're absolutely

37:03

terrifying in a way that

37:07

I mean, it's like I guess it

37:09

is because they're so close to being human

37:12

that they're so scary, because there's

37:14

a certain like with when you

37:16

know, if a lion eats you,

37:19

it's just being a lion, it's just trying

37:21

to you know, get its next meal. But

37:23

a chimpanzee, like they could

37:25

be kind of sadistic in a human

37:28

way, and that is there's

37:30

something very uncanny about that. So

37:33

they are they they they

37:36

kind of scare me not you know, like obviously

37:39

I still really love them because

37:42

they are they are incredible and incredible

37:45

species, but they you know, in the

37:47

same way that I love humanity. But humans

37:49

can be the scariest things in the world

37:52

to me.

37:52

That's well said. I definitely me

37:54

too. I love chimpanzees. I think they're really

37:57

fascinating, intelligent, complex creatures.

37:59

But uh, there's a couple like there's

38:01

a few misconceptions about them that I feel

38:03

like people kind of like overlook.

38:06

One is the whole people believe there's

38:08

like this myth that they're like five to eight

38:10

times stronger than any given man.

38:13

It's more like one point five to two I'm

38:15

stronger. The thing is they have they're just

38:17

riddled with extra fast switched

38:19

muscles so they can react faster. They

38:23

basically have four hands, like their legs

38:26

function just the same. They're incredibly

38:28

strong. They have a really powerful bite force.

38:31

And number two is that chimpanzees

38:34

are predators. They're not like they're not like

38:36

the herbivores that a gorillas are, that are

38:38

orangutan tans are. They

38:40

actively hunt other animals like colonbus

38:42

monkeys and colonist monkeys. Aren't small. They're like

38:45

pretty big. If you've seen them in person. Bush

38:47

babies, they've been known they use spears to hunt bush

38:49

babies. But yeah,

38:52

and they they hunt almost the exact

38:54

same way. Well not, it is the exact same

38:56

way we did. Like they have drivers

38:59

animals that will like the

39:01

chimps that will go in and like freak the animals out

39:03

and chase, and then they have people. Yeah,

39:05

they've got they have a chimp station, specifically

39:08

the more experienced ones in the group that

39:10

will ambush the animal and like just

39:12

like cut off its cut it off its path, and once

39:15

it catches it, they all like home in on

39:17

it and just literally just tear it to shreds. But

39:20

the part that really freaks me out about

39:22

chimps they will they can like commit calculated

39:25

and coordinated acts of violence the same

39:27

way humans do. Like, uh,

39:29

it's rare for it to be within a troop, but

39:31

that can happen where basically

39:35

chimps are like people. They form alliances, they

39:37

form friendships, but everything's calculated so if

39:39

they feel like one ship might be a

39:41

threat to it, especially in the hierarchy.

39:43

Because chimps are like male dominated, they

39:46

can get they can get good

39:48

with some guys in the troop and they will

39:50

jump this other chimp. And that's it sounds

39:52

it might sound funny the way I'm describing, that's literally

39:54

what will happen. There are videos, obviously

39:57

they're pretty graphic, but well of chimps

39:59

just committing like acts of violence against

40:02

their own, tearing them apart, and they don't

40:04

just kill them. They know what's important to a chimpanzee,

40:06

they know same thing with a human. They know it's important

40:09

to a human. So it's almost like they

40:11

draw out like the way

40:13

they torture you. And that's why with chimp attack

40:15

victims, the ones that survive, that is, they

40:17

all have the same like injuries. They have a disfigured

40:20

face, they're missing fingers, if not entire

40:22

hands, their feet. They go for genitals

40:24

because they know that that's important. They know what

40:27

that does, they know the implication of losing that.

40:29

So they like, if you see like a

40:31

rival chimp that was attacked by other chimps,

40:34

it's usually missing it's genitalia.

40:36

And that's just how vicious

40:39

these guys can be.

40:40

Yeah, yeah, I mean it reminds

40:43

me of like human warfare, Like

40:45

I'm trying to remember. I think it was some

40:49

Yeah, it might have been some kind of Greek thing.

40:52

I'm sure I'm getting getting it wrong, but there was

40:54

something where there is some ancient

40:56

war and basically they cut

40:59

off the enemies genitals to like prove

41:01

that they had, you know, defeated

41:03

this enemy. And it's yeah, I mean

41:05

I think that you're exactly right that

41:07

it's the ability for

41:10

these animals to kind of calculate things

41:12

that is so unsettling.

41:14

Like they, like you said, they can form these

41:16

alliances, so mail chimps are

41:19

arranged in this dominance hierarchy, with

41:22

dominant males sometimes violently enforcing

41:24

their authority, but

41:26

sometimes the weaker males

41:28

will form these alliances and

41:31

together they can take down

41:33

a more dominant chimpanzee that otherwise they

41:35

would not be able to take down. And

41:38

so they can like basically form a

41:40

coalition, decide to either murder

41:42

or intimidate another chimpanzee

41:45

and enact that plan. But

41:47

they're also like kind of fickle, so

41:49

they can backstab each other, so if a

41:51

better opportunity arises, they

41:54

can totally turn on each other. I

41:56

mean, like, I'm sure the drama

41:59

that have weppens in a chimpanzee

42:01

troop is something that could be put

42:04

on you know, HBO. It

42:06

can get very very messy, messy drama

42:08

and also very violent drama. You

42:11

know, they are they are highly social, so they're

42:13

not constantly attacking

42:15

each other. There can be harmony, There can

42:17

be you know, like they like to groom

42:19

each other to sort of affirm social bonds.

42:24

But you know, they can be quite

42:26

violent, and they can even be violent

42:29

within the same group.

42:31

The worst violence is like out.

42:33

Of outside of their own group. There can

42:35

be these really really vicious. I mean

42:37

there it's basically wars like wars

42:39

with other groups over territory,

42:42

just like humans do. So

42:45

I would say it's like, you know, I

42:47

don't think chimpanzees are evil, but

42:50

they are unnervingly

42:52

like humans, you know, they are, so they're

42:54

they're that kind of the capacity

42:57

for violence and their motivations

42:59

for it's similar to humans. Although

43:01

I'd say humans we did

43:04

evolve to become more gentle,

43:07

to become more cooperative,

43:10

and so that is that's good news for

43:12

us that we are not quite

43:14

so grumpy,

43:17

I would say, as chimpanzees are, which

43:19

which is good, which is probably one

43:21

of the reasons that we have been so successful.

43:24

Is that greater cooperation and

43:27

more capacity for being gentle

43:29

and less being less prone

43:31

to fly into a rage than chimpanzees

43:34

are.

43:35

Yeah, I think that's probably the

43:37

most eerie thing about them, is just that they

43:39

share ninety percent of their DNA with humans

43:41

and you can see it.

43:43

And I don't know if they

43:45

will, like like I said, they'll commit these coordinated

43:48

attacks against other troops that if you see, if

43:50

they you see it happen like they walk

43:52

in single file lines and once they leave their

43:55

territory, they go completely silent. Every

43:57

once in a while they'll stop and just listen

43:59

for other chimps and try to gauge how

44:01

many other chimps are in this rival group. And

44:05

once the leader like says, gives the go ahead,

44:07

they just go an attack. They'll take

44:09

like sticks and like bang them against the base

44:12

of trees. They'll scream and shall try to

44:14

make themselves seem like there's more of them than there

44:16

actually are, and they will specifically

44:18

go after the children, and like it can get

44:20

incredibly like grizzly, to the point where they

44:22

will tear apart like infant

44:24

chimpanzees and then just cannibalize

44:27

them and just share them with the rest

44:29

of the troopers. That part might

44:31

not be too human or no, well humans

44:34

now, like they have theories about

44:36

cavemen and what their diets consisted of. I

44:38

don't know if we can talk about that here, but it's

44:41

you'll see it. But like, yeah,

44:43

that's the whole thing with chimps. And the thing is chimps like

44:46

humans, they have different personalities. They're not all

44:48

like raising psychopaths, but

44:51

like they are humans, but without

44:53

the social construct, there is no jail.

44:55

There is no, like RELI, there's just survival,

44:58

yeah, and act and

45:00

just acting in your best interest, like

45:03

not selfishness. It has like a negative

45:05

connotation, but like in this you have to

45:07

be selfish like in the wild. And that's what you see

45:10

with chimps and the way they'll form

45:12

these alliances, the way they can backstab each

45:14

other, the way they can decide they don't like another

45:16

chimpanzee. Like there was one one

45:18

of the worst like chimp attacks that I've like seen,

45:21

Like it was on YouTube. It got like taken

45:23

down a while ago, but it was

45:25

just it was it was in a within

45:27

the truth too. There was

45:29

this one chimpanzee who just seemed to have the wrong

45:32

like type of personality.

45:34

He was like very outgoing, very ambitious,

45:36

but he also wasn't like it's

45:39

weird to say people person but he wasn't great at

45:41

forming alliances with the other chimps.

45:44

But he was also acting like he was like higher

45:46

up than he really should have been. They didn't like

45:48

that, and one day, maybe like ten

45:50

to fifteen of them just converged on him

45:52

and beat him down to the point where one

45:55

of the older like higher ranking mails

45:57

stepped in and like stopped it, but by the time they

45:59

did, he was like mortally wounded. It

46:01

was clear he wasn't welcome in the troop, and like

46:03

two days later researchers found his body.

46:06

Yes, that's not

46:09

super like common within the troop, but

46:11

like chimpan chimp homicide is like

46:13

it's a thing and it's really it's ugly.

46:16

Yeah, when it happens to humans, you see

46:18

just how strong and a motivated

46:21

chimp can't be.

46:22

Yeah, that is yeah, it's I

46:24

think so wild chimps don't

46:27

tend to attack humans. They

46:29

are pretty smart in terms of

46:31

avoiding humans because we know we are bad news.

46:35

But captive chimps

46:37

are the ones who are the most dangerous,

46:39

even though like it's it's ironic,

46:41

right because it's like, if we've raised

46:44

a chimpanzee and like quote unquote

46:46

tamed it, it seems like it'd be safer than a wild

46:48

chimpanzee, but it's not because

46:51

it's actually bolder because

46:53

it's not afraid of humans, and it

46:55

also has more opportunity to attack

46:58

humans. So captive chimpanzees

47:00

are actually quite a bit more dangerous than

47:03

a wild chimpanzee because a wild chimpanzee

47:05

is probably just gonna like run away from you. It's

47:07

not necessarily going to want to. I

47:09

mean, they chimp attacks do happen in the

47:11

wild, but they generally

47:14

want to avoid people if they can, if

47:17

they feel that they can. But

47:19

yeah, these scariest attacks

47:21

have been from pet chimpanzees.

47:24

And I say pet in sort of

47:26

the loosest possible version

47:29

of the term. I do not think that pretty

47:31

much any primate really

47:34

can be kept as a pet. Like, yeah,

47:36

I mean, strictly speaking, people do it,

47:38

but it's not you

47:41

know, they are not domesticated

47:43

animals. Their lives

47:46

with a human aren't going to be

47:49

fulfilling for them. And it

47:52

is especially for something

47:54

like a chimpanzee that's very smart, has

47:56

a lot of social needs,

47:59

and is very very strong.

48:01

That's like a recipe for disaster. And

48:04

you mentioned something earlier that I think is really

48:06

interesting, so that chimpanzees.

48:08

No, they're not like five times as strong

48:11

as a human, but they are pound four pounds

48:13

stronger than us, and they're about one

48:15

and a half times stronger than us, even

48:18

though they're only like they're maybe

48:20

about five feet tall one hundred and fifty centimeters

48:23

tall, maybe ninety to one hundred and fifty

48:25

pounds. They're not that huge.

48:29

But you mentioned those those

48:31

fast twitch muscle fibers,

48:33

so those are the more powerful

48:36

muscle fibers, but they fatigue more quickly,

48:39

so they are able to kind of go into this

48:41

like berserker mode, whereas humans

48:44

don't have as much density of these

48:46

fast which muscle fibers. Ours are actually

48:48

a little better for endurance, which has actually

48:51

suited us really well. It's been very

48:53

successful for humans. But

48:55

yeah, we don't have as much of that like

48:58

sort of instant access to this

49:00

like incredible strength that chimpanzees

49:03

do. So so yeah, when if

49:05

it's a chimpanzee versus a human,

49:09

often the chimpanzee will

49:11

come on top, and it.

49:12

Is it is very scary, like they are.

49:14

Capable of a lot of damage,

49:17

and yeah, it's you know,

49:19

like like you mentioned, I think when these

49:23

famous cases of chimpanzees, like they can

49:25

you know, destroy your entire face, amputate

49:28

your hands, it is

49:31

it's very it's upsetting, and I

49:33

think it is it is a kind

49:35

of harrowing reminder that these are not pets.

49:37

These are not fun goofy little like

49:40

trainable you know, circus

49:42

pets that we can just have and feel

49:45

this sort of entitlement over.

49:47

Yeah, I feel like that's something people forget a lot.

49:49

Like they are predators, Like owning a chimp

49:51

is really no different from owning like a grizzly

49:54

bear, right, it is an incredibly

49:56

intelligent predator that cannot

49:58

be tamed. And I think the most famous chimp attack

50:01

evolve was definitely what happened with Charlotte Nashvill's

50:03

Travis back in two thousand and nine. People

50:06

that don't know, there was this lady Sandra

50:08

Na Sandra

50:11

Herold. She had a chimpanzee,

50:13

Travis, as she raised as a baby,

50:16

just she raised him as a human, taught

50:19

him. He knew how to drive cars, he would

50:21

drink out of wine glasses, he would

50:23

drink actual wine. Actually it's

50:25

part of the family. But the thing with chimps is

50:29

they are in terms of strength, they are about

50:31

they might be the same or slightly

50:34

inferior to humans up until about

50:36

five years old. Once they start to

50:38

hit like puberty, especially the males,

50:41

that's when things change. They become a whole lot stronger.

50:43

Their attitude changes because around that time

50:45

they'd probably be fighting for like their place in

50:48

a hierarchy, in a troop, that's

50:50

when they're like that's when

50:52

their sexual maturity hits. So

50:55

with Travis, he was raised

50:57

around humans his entire life, never saw another

51:00

him, so he's not engaging in any

51:02

of those like natural instincts that he still has.

51:04

He obviously there's no female chip for

51:06

Travis. And eventually,

51:08

unfortunately Sandra, his owner's

51:11

husband, passed away. Uh

51:14

he was affected by that. Travis, he exhibited

51:16

signs that he was like depressed and like breathing.

51:19

But Sandra was also depressed and she

51:21

couldn't really take care of Travis the way

51:23

that she was before. Also, he had

51:26

some incidents outside where people

51:29

believe it wasn't safe for him to really be outside,

51:31

although since he was around and everyone was familiar

51:33

with him, nobody thought to have him taken away. So

51:36

now he was confined to the house. After

51:38

seeing after being allowed to be outside,

51:40

he was confined into the house. He was

51:42

well overweight eventually

51:44

that he was put on Xanax to deal

51:47

with like his uh yeah,

51:49

emotional issues that he had. It

51:51

was it was a matter of time and like that, like

51:54

he was going to it was gonna happen eventually,

51:56

and unfortunately it happened with with

51:58

Charlotte Nash and like the worst possible way.

52:00

But like with chimps, they have two ways of really

52:02

hurting you. One is like, well, I guess

52:04

three, But so one would be just bludgeting

52:07

you with their arms and again there's so much

52:09

stronger than people. So like

52:12

it. It feels like imagine somebody

52:14

hitting you full force, like not

52:16

holding back at all with their forearm

52:19

or their elbows or like kicking you, and it's

52:21

like multiply because this chimp

52:23

might actually be trying to kill you. Two is

52:25

that they'll bite, bite at the face. They have powerful

52:28

Again, they're predators, they're not just herbivores,

52:30

so they have teeth designed to like tear through flesh

52:33

and they'll do that. They go for the face because they

52:35

know that's at a really conflict

52:37

damage. Sometimes they'll go out of their way to goug

52:39

your eyes out. And then three

52:41

would be they have hands and they'll just tear

52:43

at you. Yeah, with chimps, it's like

52:46

like you said, you made a good point that chimps they

52:48

have all the muscles, fast switch muscles,

52:50

but they're not really built for endurance. You can see that the

52:52

differences and how we hunt. We were long

52:55

distance runners, so we would just chase prey

52:57

and no matter how far it would run, eventually we will

52:59

catch up. It would get exhausted, and then we would

53:01

hunt them. Chimps focus all their energy

53:03

into one like explosive like charge

53:06

to like catch their their prey off

53:08

guard. So with chimps, a lot of times

53:10

they'll attack you and then kind

53:12

of just rest a little bit while you're

53:14

there, and then especially if it's

53:16

if it's a group attack,

53:19

one chip will like make this a long call

53:21

and they'll like kind of just initiate

53:23

it all over again. Like these chip attacks

53:26

can if it's not put down, it could

53:28

last a very long time where it's not

53:30

killing you, but it's like slowly chipping away,

53:33

taking time to like it's it's just it's

53:35

truly awful, and it's like, yeah,

53:38

it's it's it's never pretty when

53:40

the chimp's involved, and for the chimp, it's

53:42

like a miserable way to live, you know. If there's

53:44

something that intelligent, like that's

53:46

another conversation you can have about whether

53:48

chimps really can be in captivities an

53:50

animal that intelligent, that has

53:53

a level of self awareness, and

53:55

the fact that it's like behind a cage or

53:57

like it lives a certain way and it sees people

53:59

in racts with people, but it's like from behind

54:01

the glass, it's they're probably there's probably

54:04

a lot to going gone, and it's head to the point where like now

54:07

that they're they're actively like trying

54:09

to act out or they're engaging in

54:11

like delicious like acts, because

54:14

that's kind of what boredom can do. That's

54:16

why, like animals in captivity are

54:18

much more dangerous than ones in the wild,

54:21

like orcas are the best example,

54:23

while dominant apex predator

54:26

like of the world, like not just the ocean

54:28

of the world never killed a human in the

54:30

wild, multiple like kills

54:33

like captivity. Same thing with tigers,

54:35

most tiger deaths these days.

54:37

Well I guess that might not be true, but like there's

54:40

a high density of tigers

54:42

in America. I think there's more tigers

54:45

in America than in the rest of the world, like combined.

54:47

That's where like most of the occur, especially

54:50

in me.

54:50

Isn't it like more captive it really

54:52

is than they exist in the wild, Yeah,

54:55

I mean it is.

54:56

I think it's also I think that's part

54:59

of the reason.

55:00

I mean that I feel that

55:02

it's it's not just fear when

55:04

it comes to chimpanzees. There's something deeply

55:07

unsettling about it. And I think it's the empathy

55:09

that I feel for them, because you

55:11

know, they have, like animals have minds,

55:14

chimpanzees have a very very

55:17

intelligent mind, and so they

55:19

can have, you know, mental

55:21

health needs, and

55:24

if those mental health needs aren't met, they

55:26

can suffer mentally. And then

55:28

but on top of that, they don't have the same

55:31

moral reasoning that humans

55:33

have. And so a

55:35

chimpanzee who is suffering mentally,

55:38

like I think it sounds like

55:40

Travis was, you know,

55:42

they can act in a way

55:45

that is, you know, basically

55:47

an expression of their suffering or

55:49

their anger or whatever. But

55:52

they don't necessarily understand exactly

55:54

what they're doing, So they don't necessarily have

55:56

the moral reasoning of thinking

55:58

like, oh, I'm you know,

56:01

I'm gonna like do something

56:03

bad to this person or something. I don't

56:05

necessarily you know, we don't know how

56:08

Obviously we can't step into the consciousness

56:11

of a chimpanzee, so we don't know exactly what they're

56:13

thinking. But I don't think that they have the same

56:16

meta cognition that a human would.

56:19

And so there's something like

56:21

I don't know.

56:22

I mean, I can't say anymore without spoiling

56:24

the movie.

56:25

Nope, but I would.

56:25

Say, if you have a capacity

56:28

for watching horror movies and this idea

56:30

of you know, of having

56:32

empathy for an animal that's also kind of scary,

56:35

like, you should definitely watch the movie.

56:37

But it's yeah, it is.

56:39

I think it's such a it's

56:41

such an important thing to respect

56:44

animals in terms of not

56:46

just in terms of how they can be dangerous towards

56:48

us, but also in terms of like their

56:52

emotional needs, their emotional

56:54

state, and that an animal

56:56

who does something that's terrifying

56:58

to us, like mauling person, like well,

57:01

let's find out why they did that, not blaming

57:03

the person who was mald necessarily. But

57:06

there is a problem I think

57:08

when we when

57:10

we try to, when we have sort of the

57:13

hubris to think that we can incorporate

57:16

wild animals neatly into

57:18

our human lifestyles,

57:21

that I think we need to kind

57:23

of kind of face

57:25

and realize that it's not. A

57:28

wild animal is intelligent, they

57:30

have a mind, they have emotions, but

57:32

they aren't necessarily they're

57:34

not you know, little furry

57:36

humans that we can like, you know,

57:38

bring into our society

57:41

and then like have you know, have

57:43

them perform tricks for us and you

57:45

know, have as a form of entertainment.

57:47

Yeah. I really think it just goes back to people just placing

57:50

human traits on animals, and a lot of times

57:52

people will do that to kind of rationalize exploiting

57:56

them, whether it's exploiting them as a house

57:58

pet that has no business being there, or in

58:00

Travis's case, he was used in commercials,

58:03

TV shows things like that. These animals

58:05

don't really have the understanding that

58:07

you do. So like if an animal's upset and

58:09

like you're reacting in a certain way, it's not going

58:11

to rationalize that, Okay, it's you

58:13

know what I mean. So, like that's how these attacks can

58:15

happen. So a big example

58:17

that I'd like to use. Are you familiar with

58:20

Grizzly Man?

58:21

Yes, yes, I am Timothy

58:23

Treadwell.

58:24

Yeah. So basically the important

58:26

thing is he wasn't like a zoologist or a biologist

58:29

or anything. I think he was like a failed actor

58:31

or something. He went down like a bad

58:33

path. One of his friends introduced him to the

58:37

landscape of I believe it was Alaska.

58:39

He went to Alaska and he witnessed brown bears

58:41

and it was kind of like this epiphany that he

58:43

had that he wanted to study these bears, which

58:46

is great, but the

58:48

way he went about it, he would for

58:50

I think it was about thirteen years that he would

58:52

just go camp out in the Alaska wilderness.

58:54

He would get really close to these bears and

58:57

he claimed to like have their trust, that

58:59

they had understanding. And again, you can't

59:01

really you can't tame a predator. You never you

59:04

never can. But he got away with it

59:06

for so long that people thought there was some truth to

59:08

like what he was doing. And

59:10

I will give him credit for he was

59:12

he actively tried to be an advocate

59:14

for these bears, trying to have people see them

59:16

as other than like killing machines. But

59:19

eventually that's kind of that went, like

59:23

he went so far in that direction and he kind of

59:25

like did a three sixty and then like kind of like

59:27

h made it worse for them. So basically like

59:30

he started getting cocky with these bears. He was getting

59:32

really close to bear cubs, really

59:34

close to them around I think

59:36

that's what when it happened. So like bears obviously

59:39

they have to hibernate, so they have to they

59:41

have to basically go on all They

59:43

pretty much both for the most

59:45

part. They both were They taken as many

59:47

calories as possible. Obviously resources

59:51

the competition for resources gets really intense,

59:53

so that's like the worst time to be around, like

59:55

in bear territory, especially

59:58

if it's around males. So

1:00:00

he went around that time, right the maybe

1:00:03

two to three months before hibernation where

1:00:05

they're at their most like irritable, when

1:00:08

people told him not to. Not

1:00:10

only that, like, but he also he placed

1:00:13

his tent around a well known bear

1:00:15

trail to the point where if a bear wanted

1:00:17

to access, like it was

1:00:19

like a stream where they can get sim and it would

1:00:21

have to walk right past his tent. I

1:00:23

think he even brought his girlfriend with him, and

1:00:26

she was like afraid of it. He's been he

1:00:28

had been doing it for like thirteen years. I

1:00:30

guess she trusted him, so it was I

1:00:32

remember the day, it was October fifth.

1:00:35

I think he sent like either

1:00:37

a message or call whatever he said to a

1:00:39

friend talking about the landscape. He was

1:00:41

like, yeah, the bears are great. They're

1:00:44

acting a little bit weird, but I'm

1:00:46

gonna stay here anyway. This is amazing.

1:00:49

The very next day they found their bodies

1:00:52

half eaten. And worst

1:00:54

part was right when the attack started, a

1:00:57

camera was rolling, the lens

1:00:59

was on. You can still hear it, so like there was this

1:01:01

six minute audio of this man being

1:01:03

eaten alive by a grizzly bear that

1:01:06

I can't remember if it was a bear that he actually knew,

1:01:08

if it was just some friend.

1:01:09

I think it was.

1:01:09

I think it was a bear he was not as familiar

1:01:12

with, but he still tried to approach

1:01:14

it, which was

1:01:16

enough yet another sort of mistake

1:01:18

he made, among many, Yeah.

1:01:22

Among them exactly, And yeah,

1:01:25

a six minute audio of him just slowly

1:01:27

because that's the thing with bears, like big cats still

1:01:29

kill their prey, usually take it somewhere

1:01:32

where they don't have to worry about competition from other

1:01:34

predators. Animals

1:01:36

like bears, like wild dogs, hyenas,

1:01:39

they just tear into you, like whether you're

1:01:41

alive or not. And that's what happened. Like the bear

1:01:43

incapacitated him and just ate him, and his girl

1:01:45

was there. She's screaming, So what

1:01:48

happens next? The bear comes after her? Yeah,

1:01:50

and audio never

1:01:52

was released. People say they've heard it, they've heard

1:01:55

reenactments. Reenactment, yes, yeah.

1:01:58

Because I think didn't.

1:01:59

Wasn't it very Herzog who like listened

1:02:01

to the audio and decided because like he

1:02:04

was listening to it for the family to try

1:02:06

to determine whether they should hear it

1:02:08

or not, and he was like, nobody should

1:02:11

hear this. It's it's like this

1:02:13

would be too traumatizing. So it's

1:02:16

never been Thankfully, you know, it's

1:02:18

never been released. I think that's that's

1:02:20

a merciful thing for the family not to

1:02:23

not to have that out there. But god, yeah,

1:02:25

it's I I remember when

1:02:27

I read about that, I had nightmares

1:02:30

that I was like listening to the audio, but of

1:02:32

course it doesn't exist, but the

1:02:35

imagination can can fill

1:02:37

in the blanks in a very terrifying way.

1:02:40

I'm not sure if this was true, but I heard her report

1:02:43

saying that he were Canta saying that he kind of

1:02:45

wished that he had released it just to like

1:02:47

have people understand just what theirs are

1:02:49

capable of, because I feel like people

1:02:51

still haven't really learned. But

1:02:54

ultimately, like, and this is where I kind

1:02:57

of have to take back the credit I gave him. He said

1:02:59

he tried to be an ad for these bears.

1:03:01

All he did was like he

1:03:03

got himself like killed by a bear. And

1:03:05

what happens to the bear that they had to hunt the

1:03:07

bear down kill it. And now people

1:03:10

are hearing about this horrific bear.

1:03:11

A type that

1:03:14

yeah, yeah, yeah, because once a bear like

1:03:16

kills a human, they it's like, well, you

1:03:19

the bear can't see humans as a

1:03:21

source of food and go and hunt someone else down,

1:03:23

so then they have to go and euthanize it. And

1:03:25

it's I mean, it's just it's

1:03:27

bad, bad news all around. I mean,

1:03:30

it's such a horrifying thing to happen

1:03:32

to anyone. But yeah, I mean,

1:03:34

it's just we we. I

1:03:37

think it is this like sense of we're

1:03:39

so insulated as humans because we've

1:03:41

protected ourselves with our society,

1:03:44

with with all of our sort of innovations

1:03:46

and our intelligence that you

1:03:49

know. I think that sometimes that can lend

1:03:51

itself to this idea that we are

1:03:54

not prey anymore. We're not we're not in

1:03:56

danger. You know, we're not you know, nothing

1:03:58

could view us as prey, right because we're humans. We're

1:04:00

like on top of the food chain, and that is not

1:04:03

not true at all.

1:04:05

Yeah, And whether it's with Travis or

1:04:08

the bear, or with Sigfried

1:04:10

and Roy and their tiger Montok or it's

1:04:12

just there's like a level of

1:04:14

arrogance that some people can get where they feel

1:04:16

like they have complete control

1:04:19

over this wild animal. And really it's

1:04:21

like we are where we are at

1:04:23

because of intelligence. Mostly

1:04:25

because of intelligence. There's obviously

1:04:28

physical attributes that we have, like being

1:04:30

able to run for a really long period of time, being

1:04:32

able to I think we might be one of the no

1:04:34

we are We can throw things

1:04:37

with accuracy that other animals don't

1:04:39

have, just on like us having thumbs

1:04:41

and hands and the way our shoulders are placed.

1:04:43

But ultimately, like one on one,

1:04:46

we can't do anything with these predators,

1:04:48

right, especially something like a bear or

1:04:50

a tiger or a chimpanzee, things

1:04:52

that hunt for a living. Yeah, you know, so

1:04:54

there's like it. You

1:04:56

can raise them as a baby, you can try

1:04:59

to like you they're not human

1:05:01

though, And all it takes is like one

1:05:03

moment of them referring back to their predatory

1:05:06

instincts. It doesn't even have to be a predator, but

1:05:08

just that's when like things can happen,

1:05:10

and ultimately that animal gets put down because

1:05:13

of.

1:05:13

It exactly, and our language doesn't align

1:05:15

with them. Like for chimps, like with humans,

1:05:17

eye contact and smiling is a nice

1:05:20

thing. It's you know, showing the other person like,

1:05:22

hey, I'm friendly, how's it going. If you do that

1:05:24

to a chimp, you're basically telling it like hey,

1:05:26

you know, like hum man like, and

1:05:29

it's like a confrontation. It's like eye

1:05:31

contact and showing your teeth is very confrontational

1:05:34

for a chimpanzee. So like, you can't walk

1:05:36

up to a chimpanzee act like a human

1:05:38

and have it understand

1:05:41

what you're trying to say, what your body

1:05:43

language means, because it can mean something very different.

1:05:46

And I think in cases where we successfully

1:05:49

have pets, like with dogs

1:05:51

and cats, these are cases, I

1:05:53

mean, especially for dogs, we have

1:05:56

selected over thousands and thousands

1:05:58

of years and co evolved with them

1:06:00

to the point where our styles of

1:06:02

communication can interlock. So

1:06:05

like we can communicate with a dog when we

1:06:07

see a dog. We although sometimes

1:06:09

people can mistake body language of dogs,

1:06:11

for sure, a lot of the dog's body

1:06:14

language is readable by us, and they

1:06:16

can actually read our body language fairly

1:06:18

well. They can read our facial expressions

1:06:20

our intonation. So

1:06:22

it's like, this is why dogs

1:06:24

and also cats, you know, are quite

1:06:27

good pets, whereas something like a chimpanzee,

1:06:30

a grizzly bear, a kangaroo. These,

1:06:32

you know, they can't really you know, they

1:06:35

can only be tamed inas much. They

1:06:37

can be habituated to humans, but they

1:06:39

can't really be tamed.

1:06:41

They can't. They are not pets.

1:06:43

And you know, we can't make them into

1:06:46

pets unless we had some kind of like you

1:06:48

know again, tried to selectively

1:06:52

breed them over thousands and thousands of years,

1:06:54

which I don't see the point in doing

1:06:57

that either.

1:06:57

Yeah. My favorite line in the entire

1:07:00

movie no spoiler, but they

1:07:03

says something about you can't tame a predator.

1:07:05

The best you can do is enter an agreement with one,

1:07:08

right, And I think that's something that a lot

1:07:10

of people forget. Yeah,

1:07:12

and that's when these incidents

1:07:14

happened.

1:07:15

Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, man.

1:07:18

Yeah, I think it's it is such

1:07:20

a good movie for evolutionary biologists, but

1:07:22

it's also such nightmare fuel because

1:07:25

like all of it, it's just because they did

1:07:27

their research for that movie, I can

1:07:29

really tell. So it's yeah, it's

1:07:31

it's very it's very good. But because they

1:07:33

were so thorough with the research and it is so realistic

1:07:36

that is it's it makes

1:07:38

it.

1:07:38

Quite scary, definitely.

1:07:41

So before we go at

1:07:44

the end of every episode, I like to play a little

1:07:46

game called Guess Who's Squawking?

1:07:49

It's a mystery animal sound game. Every

1:07:52

week I play a mystery animal found now

1:07:54

it's called gets who squawking? But it can be any

1:07:56

animal in the world, not necessarily a bird, any

1:07:59

animal. Uh and uh,

1:08:02

you the listener and you the guests trying to guess

1:08:04

who is squalking'?

1:08:05

So uh.

1:08:07

Last week's hint was there's

1:08:09

nothing deadly or sinful

1:08:12

about this cutie.

1:08:13

Uh.

1:08:14

And this is a sound I honestly had

1:08:16

no idea this is what this animal sounded.

1:08:17

Like until I googled it. So here

1:08:19

it is. Can

1:08:24

you guess who's.

1:08:25

Making that sound? Is

1:08:28

it a wh I get hints?

1:08:30

Well, the hint is there's nothing deadly

1:08:33

or sinful about this cutie.

1:08:36

Do you need any any more?

1:08:38

Like?

1:08:38

You can ask me a question and I can answer.

1:08:40

Is it a herbivore? It is, yes, not domesticated?

1:08:43

Is it now?

1:08:44

Can I hear it again? Yes?

1:08:45

You can just slot

1:08:48

Yeah, it is good job

1:08:51

you are. You are like an encyclopedia

1:08:53

for animal knowledge, so I'm not surprised that

1:08:55

you got this.

1:08:56

But yes, I also wondering where I heard that from. There's

1:08:58

compilations of like baby's slow often.

1:09:00

Yeah, it's like free serotonin.

1:09:02

I love it. I recommended anyone watching

1:09:05

yourself.

1:09:09

It is I an ear medicine for

1:09:12

the soul. It's wonderful. Yes, I

1:09:14

had no idea this is what they sounded like until I

1:09:17

just added curiosity, googled, like, hey,

1:09:19

what does slaws sound like? These are

1:09:21

baby two toed sloths. They

1:09:23

are Slavs found in Central and South

1:09:25

America. I don't believe the

1:09:27

adults make these sounds. I think this is just

1:09:29

the babies because they are bleeding for

1:09:32

their mothers, so they spend

1:09:35

their first nine months of lives constantly

1:09:37

attached to their mothers, and so when

1:09:39

they're at like a rescue rehabilitation

1:09:42

animal center, they will often be given

1:09:45

teddy bears so they have something

1:09:47

to hold onto to comfort them, which is really

1:09:49

adorable. Also a little sad, but

1:09:52

yes, they will make this bleating noise

1:09:54

until somebody picks them up or

1:09:57

they get to cuddle a teddy bear which

1:09:59

is ador and makes me want to

1:10:01

cry.

1:10:02

And that is your wholesome fact for the week.

1:10:06

After this, after this show

1:10:08

where we talked about animals eating your

1:10:10

face, adorable baby sloth

1:10:12

say it. There you go, the shot and then

1:10:14

the chaser. Congratulations

1:10:17

to Joey P, Lily H, and

1:10:19

Grant W the three fastest

1:10:22

to correctly guess sloth, although

1:10:25

maybe I should have rewarded the three slowest

1:10:27

guessers given that you know to sloth

1:10:30

anyway, make a suggestion.

1:10:32

Next one should be like, ask

1:10:34

them play what they

1:10:36

sound like and then see if they can guess,

1:10:38

because if they've never heard it before, they will

1:10:41

never in a million years guess.

1:10:42

That the the hauntingly angry

1:10:45

banshee screaming of a koala. Yes,

1:10:48

they are, they are, They're I

1:10:50

understand why people like why Australians

1:10:53

have the drop bear mythos

1:10:56

just based on uh when

1:10:58

koalas are a screen me angrily.

1:11:02

I was gonna say, there's like one hundred different types

1:11:04

of cryptids in Australia and I'm so sure half

1:11:06

of them originated from koalis.

1:11:08

Loud it's qualas, Yeah, absolutely,

1:11:10

It's like how probably all the cryptids

1:11:12

in the US are either sand hill cranes

1:11:15

or coyotes with mange, and

1:11:18

that's it, like all your captives.

1:11:19

I was disappointed. I remember as

1:11:21

like, in like seventh grade, I saw that video

1:11:24

that went viral at the well, I guess at the

1:11:26

time of like that chuop ofcabre. Then

1:11:28

I revisited it because I randomly just was

1:11:30

curious about it ten years later, and I was like, oh wait,

1:11:33

it's a coyote.

1:11:34

Coyote with mange. It's always a coyote

1:11:36

with maine.

1:11:37

Pretty anti climactic.

1:11:38

Yeah.

1:11:39

Also, sometimes listeners send me in pictures

1:11:41

of like is this, like what species is this?

1:11:44

Like I found this and it looks like some

1:11:46

kind of you know, novel species

1:11:48

in North America, and it's like it's either

1:11:50

coyote with mange, maybe a fox

1:11:52

with mange. When an animal gets mange and

1:11:54

it messes up their fur, it can make them like almost

1:11:57

unrecognizable and look very very

1:11:59

creepy. But unfortunately it's just,

1:12:01

you know, just a sick animal. It's nothing scary

1:12:04

or creepy. It's just sad. But

1:12:07

uh onto this week's mister

1:12:10

animal sound. The hint is

1:12:12

they sound like drunks on land and

1:12:15

alien spaceships. In the sea, but

1:12:17

they're always chill.

1:12:19

Mm hmmmmmm

1:12:22

mm hmmm. That's

1:12:33

them on land.

1:12:36

So now this is them under the water.

1:12:49

I have actually stopt on this one. So

1:12:52

they're amphibious.

1:12:53

Then, yes,

1:12:55

they spend time

1:12:57

both on the land and under the water.

1:13:11

Now they

1:13:15

are mammals. Yes, so that's another

1:13:17

free.

1:13:17

Hint, because the obvious

1:13:20

one would be whales. But then you said on land,

1:13:22

so huh interesting.

1:13:26

Uh, Okay,

1:13:27

it's sometimes a

1:13:29

SELC line. I'm gonna see.

1:13:31

Oh is it it is?

1:13:33

You are absolutely correct?

1:13:35

Okay, okay, okay, because

1:13:37

that's okay, I see.

1:13:39

Yes, So you'll

1:13:42

the listeners out there, you'll have heard

1:13:44

a cute little duck quack over what

1:13:47

mama du said. But he did guess it correctly,

1:13:50

and you'll have a chance to guess it. If

1:13:52

you think you know the answer, you

1:13:54

can write to me at Creature feature Pod

1:13:56

at gmail dot com. But

1:13:59

I am very very impressed by your animal

1:14:01

sound guessing abilities. I don't think I

1:14:03

could have done that, thank you.

1:14:05

I took a couple of guesses and a lot of

1:14:07

hints, but yeah, definitely definitely

1:14:10

an interesting one, Dick. You would

1:14:12

have to hear it before to like guess that,

1:14:14

like I would not have been able to guess. That's just blind.

1:14:17

Yeah, no, no, I And like I

1:14:20

I had a listener from I think as far

1:14:22

as Jaber who came on and recommended

1:14:25

this animal noise as one

1:14:28

that is is quite strange,

1:14:30

very otherworldly. It sounds like underwater.

1:14:33

They sound like aliens, like

1:14:35

alien spaceships. It's it's

1:14:38

kind of haunting in a way.

1:14:40

It definitely is. I don't know if

1:14:42

I'm allowed to say this part, so I guess you could

1:14:45

like leep this out. But it's actually

1:14:47

they use that to like find like their little like breathing

1:14:49

holes because they can like freeze. Oh

1:14:52

maybe I should. Well, basically they use

1:14:54

them to find breathing holes that they might not

1:14:56

have access to because of where they live.

1:14:59

So it's like I

1:15:01

can't describe it further without giving it away. You just

1:15:04

have to go see it on a next show and

1:15:06

then YouTube it because it is free.

1:15:09

Yes, I mean, I think this is a hard enough

1:15:11

sound that getting some more hints is definitely

1:15:14

fair.

1:15:15

But yes, it is.

1:15:16

It's it's it's

1:15:20

such an unexpected sound. Also, I'll say,

1:15:22

for such a cute animal where

1:15:25

it sounds like there's a there's

1:15:28

there's a haunted ocean, but then you see them,

1:15:30

it's like, Oh, you're just a little cutie, aren't

1:15:32

you. Yeah,

1:15:35

well, thank you so much for joining

1:15:37

me today. I really appreciate having you

1:15:39

on. You are an incredible font

1:15:41

of animal wisdom.

1:15:43

Uh and I.

1:15:44

Think people, if you like this podcast,

1:15:46

you will definitely like Mamad's TikTok.

1:15:49

He's also got a book out called

1:15:52

one Hundred Animals that King End

1:15:54

You, So if you liked

1:15:56

the topic of this episode, you will definitely

1:15:58

like that book. Thank you so much for

1:16:00

coming on. Where can people find you?

1:16:03

They can find me on TikTok dot MGI

1:16:05

underscore ninety seven. They can find me on

1:16:07

Instagram at the exact same use your name. Also

1:16:10

have a YouTube channel, realizing not a lot

1:16:12

of people know that, or at least

1:16:14

not as many people that know me from TikTok or Instagram,

1:16:17

But I do have a YouTube channel where I make longer

1:16:19

flow content as yourble geographic

1:16:22

and yeah, those are that's pretty much the

1:16:24

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1:16:27

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1:16:30

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1:16:32

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