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Well, welcome

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back to

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creep time

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of the

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podcast. Well,

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you can't

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trust county.

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Well, you

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can't trust

0:20

county. Well,

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welcome. Well,

0:24

you can't

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trust county. Although I

0:29

guess this is our second week

0:31

back, we've still been missing you. We've

0:33

been missing you guys. We miss you every week,

0:35

we do. Yeah, we do. We do, but especially

0:37

now since we've been off for like four weeks.

0:39

Actually more than that, didn't we like stop

0:42

in like late February? Yeah, no, I think

0:44

we stopped in the beginning of February.

0:46

Was the beginning of February?

0:48

I swear to God, yeah. Oh, I thought they were

0:50

like a few. February is genuinely a

0:52

blur for me. I don't recall who

0:54

I was, where I was, how I

0:56

looked, what was going on. Baby, the

0:58

train was off the track. Somehow you

1:01

landed in DC. I do know that

1:03

happened. Literally forgot about that. I was

1:05

like, I was in DC. You're like,

1:07

where the hell was I? I need

1:10

to be planted in one place. But

1:12

hi everybody, welcome back. I'm taking a

1:14

turn, I'm taking a turn but this

1:16

episode. off the beaten path for creep

1:18

time, I will say, because this is not

1:20

something that I came across through the suggestions,

1:23

it is something that just stuck out to

1:25

me while I was looking for different cases,

1:27

and it is a much older case than

1:29

we're used to looking at. It's actually happened

1:32

in the year 1900, and it is very

1:34

creepy and very well documented, I will

1:36

say. Have you heard anything at all

1:38

about the Flanan Isles lighthouse keepers?

1:40

Ooh, the Lighthouse Keepers. My God, I just

1:42

had a flashback to Willem Defoe and Lighthouse.

1:45

Which immediately I went to search after, like

1:47

I did all this research, I'm like, is

1:49

that what this is based off of? It's,

1:51

it loosely touches on some of the elements

1:53

of the story, but it is not like

1:55

a direct account of what happened here.

1:57

Gotcha, because that's a very creepy movie.

1:59

I've never heard of this in my

2:01

life. Well, it's quite a strange top

2:04

line. Again, it is a very old

2:06

story, but I will graze over some

2:08

of the strangeness here of what happened

2:10

on a night more than 120 years

2:12

ago. There are three very distinguished lighthouse

2:14

keepers. Actually, in the first page of

2:16

the pictures I sent you, you'll probably

2:19

see them. Do you see them? Yeah

2:21

yeah yeah I see them. Look at

2:23

the sashes. The staches. Oh my god.

2:25

You did. I know you always say

2:27

the trains have to be conducted. Maybe

2:29

they're light houses that have to be

2:31

kept. There are light houses that have

2:33

to be kept. There are light houses

2:36

that must be maintained and a stash

2:38

is necessary. But there are these three

2:40

men, right? Varying and they are stood

2:42

out as keepers, right? It's a very

2:44

cold, windy December night, the year 1900.

2:46

Nothing about the circumstance really seemed off

2:48

and yet something happened that many people

2:50

find difficult to explain even to this

2:53

day. Now in the lighthouse there is

2:55

this you know tall tower but there's

2:57

also like a keeper's quarters or I

2:59

think it's just called the keeper's house

3:01

I'm going to call it a keeper's

3:03

quarters and this is located off the

3:05

coast of Scotland. There is something that

3:07

we know took place and we have

3:10

a hunt just to what time it

3:12

did and I'll go into some details

3:14

a little bit later as to why

3:16

we think that. But by the time

3:18

a relief ship came to alleviate the

3:20

watchmen of their duties, all three of

3:22

the men were gone. Not just gone,

3:24

but the details of what was left

3:27

behind in and around the lighthouse have

3:29

sort of etched the story into history

3:31

as one of the most mysterious and

3:33

puzzling cases people had heard about in

3:35

decades. So today, I want to go

3:37

through the case with you, all of

3:39

the details as documented about what went

3:42

down on this night and what could

3:44

have happened to the men. Very different

3:46

tune for us, but immediate thoughts on

3:48

the top line. Oh, so weird. Oh,

3:50

I love, I don't know why I

3:52

always have also loved lighthouses, but feared

3:54

them. I feel like that must be

3:56

a common thing. Like, there's something about

3:59

a lighthouse that is just inherently eerie.

4:01

I don't know if you'd agree with

4:03

me there. But it's because you think

4:05

about them at nighttime like in the

4:07

context of night or like fog nighttime

4:09

But it's also like the visual of

4:11

just one beam of light in the

4:13

darkness and like knowing okay somebody's up

4:16

there You know like it's just it's

4:18

a eerie concept to begin with and

4:20

also they're looking out for you know

4:22

ships coming in and like keeping watch

4:24

basically something about a watchman is also

4:26

kind of inherently spooky You said safety

4:28

spooks me Get it out of here

4:30

Mama. I said these guys get it

4:33

get them out get them out of

4:35

the job So you have watched the

4:37

one with William Defoe though I have

4:39

yeah William Defoe and Robert Patinson. Yeah,

4:41

and that one's very very weird all

4:43

black and white so like seeing these

4:45

pictures It's like bringing me back to

4:47

that Yeah, and and I don't know

4:50

if these guys are going to be

4:52

described the same way, but like you

4:54

know, there is a sense of duty

4:56

about being the keeper and kind of

4:58

gruff and Yeah, it's just creepy already.

5:00

It's funny you brought that up because

5:02

I, while I was like halfway through

5:05

the research, I was like, why the

5:07

hell would anybody be a lighthouse keeper?

5:09

Sorry if any lighthouse keepers are listening,

5:11

but I was like, specifically with this

5:13

job, and you're on such, because there's

5:15

nobody else on this little island, this

5:17

aisle that they're on, there's nobody there.

5:19

It's like uninhabitable unless you live in

5:22

the keeper's quarters. I keep calling at

5:24

the keeper's quarters, but it's just these

5:26

three men. So the isolation alone, I'm

5:28

like, that just seems like a miserable

5:30

existence. But apparently it did have a

5:32

lot to do with like duty. It

5:34

was reliable employment. It's a government job

5:36

or it was a government job at

5:39

the time. So I go into some

5:41

details about why these men took the

5:43

job and then what happened during the

5:45

job. Yeah, I guess I think I

5:47

learned a little bit more than I

5:49

had bargained for in the process of

5:51

researching for in the crash course. Lighthouse

5:53

keeping baby you saw those stashes and

5:56

you were like if I need to

5:58

make a job switch if I need

6:00

to make a career change Yes, if

6:02

I need to jump from run on

6:04

the trains and working in the mines,

6:06

I can switch over to becoming a

6:08

keeper for short. Oh my God. Before

6:10

we are going to get into the

6:13

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my God. All right. You've got the

10:11

pictures. So perspective wise, before I'm going

10:13

to get into any of this, and

10:15

I'm going to detail exactly what the

10:17

lighthouse is like, can you just describe

10:19

what you're seeing? Because I tried to

10:22

include, and you can scroll through any

10:24

number of the pictures of the pages,

10:26

like, can you give them a perspective

10:28

of like how this is set up

10:30

on this little tiny island? I mean,

10:32

it's. Honestly, I don't know if you've

10:34

ever seen like the cliffs of Moher

10:37

in Ireland, those like cliffs where there's

10:39

that one stone building that's been there

10:41

forever and it's very remote and like

10:43

off by itself and isolated. That's kind

10:45

of what this lighthouse is giving. Like

10:47

there's one really good picture that says

10:49

like the perspective of you're at the

10:51

edge of the island, but it's like

10:54

a total, really is an island, super

10:56

rocky and this just one lighthouse kind

10:58

of up the hill. It's on the

11:00

highest point. of course because that makes

11:02

the most sense as to why they

11:04

would build it there but on the

11:06

highest point of the island which comes

11:08

into play a little bit later when

11:11

we're going to talk about the theories

11:13

of how the men could have disappeared.

11:15

And I'm guessing this little like unit

11:17

kind of in front of it is

11:19

the the keeper's quarters maybe? I love

11:21

that's catching this little like unit kind

11:23

of in front of it is the

11:25

the keeper's quarters maybe. It's not their

11:28

apartment. It's the keeper's quarters. It's the

11:30

keeper's. But now that you've got a

11:32

picture of it and you're kind of

11:34

describing it a little bit for the

11:36

creepers, I will go into some detail

11:38

about the location, about the lighthouse itself,

11:40

and we're going to talk a little

11:42

bit about what their routine might have

11:45

been like, so we can give some

11:47

backstory before we'll decode the actual timeline

11:49

of the night all three men went

11:51

missing. So first of all, where exactly

11:53

are we? The Flandon Isle or Isles,

11:55

it's often referred to as the Seven

11:57

Hunters, and they are off the coast

12:00

of Scotland precisely. I wrote down 17.5

12:02

nautical miles west of the Isle of

12:04

Lewis. What does nautical miles mean? You

12:06

tell me. Are nautical miles a little

12:08

longer than irregular? mile I could not

12:10

tell you because I wrote down I

12:12

said it equates to something like 30

12:14

to 35 kilometers and I don't know

12:17

what kilometers mean I maybe we better

12:19

brush up on it if you're gonna

12:21

make a career change you gotta get

12:23

I know I know if I'm gonna

12:25

work as a keeper I'm gonna have

12:27

to I'm gonna have to get it

12:29

together what was the time I said

12:31

very quietly by B what time is

12:34

it I don't know It's 13 minutes

12:36

in 13 minutes. Oh, that's sinister. You

12:38

wash that tongue girl. We are back

12:40

on back on air. We got too

12:42

comfortable on stage. That's the thing on

12:44

tour because we could just like run

12:46

our mounts. Yeah. But the lighthouse itself,

12:48

it is considered to be a very

12:51

remote and isolated structure that is located

12:53

on Eileen Moore is what I wrote

12:55

down. I think that's the name technically

12:57

of the aisle. And it is the

12:59

largest of the Flanan Isles. and it

13:01

was also very, very new. The lighthouse

13:03

itself was constructed in 1899, and don't

13:05

forget these men go missing in 1900,

13:08

so they're like among the first crew

13:10

of keepers. It was designed, of course,

13:12

to guide ships safely through the dangerous

13:14

waters, which ran between the Isle of

13:16

Lewis and Mainland Scotland. Now, the Isle

13:18

they're on, completely uninhabited. When I'm telling

13:20

you that it is just these three

13:23

men living there, because that's all who

13:25

could inhabit it on the highest point

13:27

of the Isle. That's it. I think

13:29

in my mind I was like, okay,

13:31

maybe they just mean like, there's a

13:33

very small village of people, there's nobody.

13:35

Okay. It's not, it's unsustainable for crops

13:37

or gardening, like there's nobody there. It

13:40

is purely a lighthouse for the safety

13:42

of passing ships. Let's lay that out.

13:44

I know that's what I'm saying. I'm

13:46

like, when we're talking about isolation and

13:48

nobody else coming to like dock up

13:50

at the sile, that's it. There is

13:52

nothing else just this one 75 foot

13:54

tall stone structure used to guide the

13:57

ships and they are responsible these three

13:59

men for maintaining it during their post,

14:01

which could last weeks in

14:03

some instances months, sometimes even

14:05

years in certain locations. For

14:08

them specifically, I believe they

14:10

were on a six and two, just like

14:12

Broadway. They were doing six weeks on,

14:14

I think, and then two weeks off

14:17

where a relief crew would come and

14:19

rotate out, which isn't terrible.

14:21

Like it's not as long as

14:23

I think I anticipated, but still,

14:25

that's a long time to be with

14:27

just two other men. So

14:30

they have the keeper's house or the

14:32

keeper's quarters. This is where all three

14:34

of the men would board and of

14:36

course they would spend a lot of

14:38

their time off duty So hopefully this

14:40

paints a bit of a picture for

14:42

everybody who's listening or watching at home

14:44

That they are just stationed out there.

14:46

There is nowhere to go. There is no

14:49

way to get off the island that they're

14:51

on and they just kind of have to

14:53

wait at the mercy of the relief crew

14:55

that would come and there's really no

14:57

way from what I read like they

14:59

had The telegraph I think was the

15:02

thing at the time. The only way

15:04

they could connect or

15:06

communicate with the outside

15:09

world like passing ships would

15:11

be to fly signals like

15:13

fly like special flags

15:16

and signals on the light

15:18

to signal to people out

15:20

who were passing by. We

15:22

need help. There's something wrong.

15:25

On that December night. This

15:27

is a little bit of the

15:29

other side of it where I

15:32

started to investigate and I went

15:34

on this like internal tangent where

15:36

I'm like, why would anybody take

15:38

this job? It's kind of like

15:40

what I said before. These were

15:42

men who were family men and

15:44

I will get into their back

15:47

stories and how old they were,

15:49

some of them had, you know,

15:51

large families, a lot of children.

15:53

It was just stable income

15:55

to be a keeper. And it was routine.

15:57

I think a lot of people who worked.

15:59

in this field and work these jobs

16:02

like the routine and maybe even like

16:04

the isolation of just being with a

16:06

very small group for a long period

16:08

of time. Is this maybe a dumb

16:10

question? I wonder if it's a government

16:13

job. That's what I said? Yeah? Oh,

16:15

it is? Oh, yeah, yeah. then I

16:17

just it went in one ear and

16:19

out the other but you heard government

16:21

you said the government the government no

16:24

it was a government job I think

16:26

at the time it was a government

16:28

job for sure I'm assuming it still

16:30

is today but at the time yes

16:32

that's why it was stable income is

16:35

because you were employed by the government

16:37

but just like before we go any

16:39

further I guess maybe I'll just pause

16:41

there and ask you if you have

16:43

any thoughts on the location the isolation

16:46

the job itself and maybe Does it

16:48

feel sinister? Does it feel dangerous? Does

16:50

it feel eerie? It feels sinister in

16:52

the aspect that if I get there

16:54

and the two other keepers Well, first

16:57

of all, I don't like a trio.

16:59

I think that trios can be disastrous.

17:01

So That all right? Stripping me up

17:03

a little bit But what you're talking

17:05

about it like going out with the

17:08

girls. You're like I really don't mess

17:10

with a trio baby. I'm sorry. I'm

17:12

watching too much white Lotus right now

17:14

But if you get there and there's

17:16

like a strange vibe, like just in

17:19

the working conditions, I mean, that's going

17:21

to be really tough. And then if

17:23

there's an emergency, of course, if now

17:25

that I know they can't get anybody

17:27

unless they literally flag, they happen to

17:30

have a ship that's passing, or they

17:32

have to write it, you know, send

17:34

a telegram out, I mean, or telegraph.

17:36

It's just, it's. Right. They have no

17:38

means to do. there's no, if something

17:41

bad goes down, there's no one that's

17:43

really there to help you out except

17:45

for maybe the person that's with you

17:47

and do they turn on you or

17:49

I'm thinking about the dynamics of the

17:52

three, but then also kind of perfect

17:54

if something sinister goes down on an

17:56

island in like rocky waters. It's going

17:58

to be pretty difficult, I think, for

18:00

someone to escape. Completely. I mean, impossible

18:03

to escape on. There's really nowhere to

18:05

go, because even if there is a

18:07

passing ship at a distance, they're miles

18:09

and miles out. If they're going to

18:11

see your signal, like, nobody is coming

18:14

close to you. In fact, the whole

18:16

point of, I think, part of the

18:18

point of the lighthouse is to avoid

18:20

coming to you, because you're dangerous, like

18:22

you're a dangerous rock. They could collide

18:25

within the middle of the middle of

18:27

the night. But it's funny you bring

18:29

that up, the idea of the dynamic

18:31

between the three, because I will say

18:34

all three of these men, although they

18:36

do vary in ages and I will

18:38

get into it, they are very distinguished

18:40

in this field, very very experienced. I

18:42

believe the principal keeper had 20 plus

18:45

years of experience as a keeper. So

18:47

if there's in my mind, if there's

18:49

anybody who's gonna like hold it together

18:51

and keep it cordial and keep it

18:53

respectful and professional, I suppose it's gonna

18:56

be the principal keeper. There are some

18:58

logs that I read about, and I

19:00

did not put this in my research

19:02

because I couldn't verify the authenticity of

19:04

these, and there is a lot of

19:07

speculation about whether these were real or

19:09

whether they were drummed up when the

19:11

media circus of this hit in the

19:13

early 20th century. There are some logs

19:15

from the youngest keeper who was 28

19:18

at the time where he said, detailed

19:20

allegedly, that there were some issues with

19:22

the other two men. One was definitely

19:24

known professionally to have a bit of

19:26

a temper with his colleagues, and this

19:29

was the second keeper, I think, not

19:31

the principal, whereas I believe in these

19:33

logs he also detailed that the principal

19:35

keeper, the one with 20 plus years

19:37

of experience, was seen crying many times

19:40

in private. So little hints like that,

19:42

I think in the overarching context of

19:44

how creepy and sinister this is, gave

19:46

way to people thinking. or building a

19:48

story where they were like, something might

19:51

have been wrong here, but we don't

19:53

know. Yeah, isolation. All of a sudden,

19:55

I was like. Well, well, well, well,

19:57

the visual of a man like crying

19:59

in a lighthouse, like while it's raining

20:02

or something, I just went there automatically,

20:04

but the isolation is gonna inherently make

20:06

people act a certain way. Yeah, away

20:08

from your family, your kids, your wife.

20:10

Yeah. It's going to be weird. So

20:13

with all that said, I think we

20:15

should probably start with detailing the three

20:17

keepers and who they were to give

20:19

context on the night that all three

20:21

of three of them. went missing. So

20:24

the three keepers, the year is 1900.

20:26

Of course, we have James Duket, we

20:28

have Thomas Marshall, and we have Donald

20:30

MacArthur. James and Donald were considered the

20:32

older and experienced keepers. They're in their

20:35

40s, and then of course, we have

20:37

the 28-year-old I mentioned. James is 43.

20:39

He is the eldest. He is the

20:41

principal keeper. And I believe I read

20:43

he had a wife and four children.

20:46

It was challenging to piece together. Of

20:48

course, a bit of the character statements

20:50

on the men because there is not

20:52

a ton. But the common thread with

20:54

all three of them that I read

20:57

about was that all of them were

20:59

considered reliable, very competent, very responsible, and

21:01

which was part of the reason they

21:03

were stationed as one of the first

21:05

crews to keep this lighthouse. The only

21:08

interesting detail that I brought up or

21:10

that I brought up before that I

21:12

found was the relief keeper. This is

21:14

the other one who I think was

21:16

Donald, Donald MacArthur. He's 40. He was

21:19

known to have the temper. which I

21:21

thought was interesting. Okay. He didn't have

21:23

any specific incidents that I read about

21:25

from previous stations where he had done

21:27

anything too egregious that would get him

21:30

removed from his position or fired, but

21:32

people did document that he did not

21:34

get along with all co-workers. He was

21:36

not the easiest to get along with.

21:38

But again, all three are considered strong

21:41

capable keepers and to give you a

21:43

better sense of what their job and

21:45

schedule actually entailed. I just want to

21:47

run you through a typical day of...

21:49

what went down at the lighthouse, what

21:52

it would maybe look like, because I

21:54

didn't know any of this. If you

21:56

could picture it, it's fierce winds from

21:58

the sea, billowing almost at all times,

22:00

it's difficult weather at many times, a

22:03

lot of storms can come your way,

22:05

day in, day out, these three men

22:07

kept the duty of maintaining the house

22:09

and guiding the ships as needed in

22:11

the dark and through the fog. In

22:14

most cases, the men would wake up

22:16

usually at around 6 a. Every morning.

22:18

and the first act of duty is

22:20

for at least one of them to

22:22

go up to the top of the

22:25

house and check and make sure the

22:27

house beacon is still in working order

22:29

and it is not burned out through

22:31

the night. Depending upon the type of

22:33

light and how it's fueled it can

22:36

either need refueling it would be checks,

22:38

adjustments, sometimes it would need little tweaks

22:40

to make sure it was properly functioning

22:42

or rotating. And it just needed to

22:45

be reliable every single night for the

22:47

passing ships. It was a massive deal

22:49

if the light was out, which comes

22:51

into play a little bit later when

22:53

it does go out. This also included

22:56

maintenance of the fog signal. So in

22:58

instances where there's very low visibility and

23:00

a light cannot be seen through fog,

23:02

they have to blow the fog horn,

23:04

which also needs to be maintained, and

23:07

they have to keep a very careful

23:09

log. I think it's called light log,

23:11

or maybe I made that up. the

23:13

light log. I'm making up keeper's quarters,

23:15

I'm making up light log. We're pulling

23:18

on from the truck log history. It

23:20

did feel quite similar as I was

23:22

reading. The second I read log, I

23:24

got like war flashbacks, but they have

23:26

to detail the functionality of everything. They

23:29

have to detail the weather outside and

23:31

then come nightfall they would alternate shifts

23:33

actually going up and checking periodically to

23:35

make sure the light was still functioning

23:37

properly or they have to go up

23:40

and periodically sound the fog alarm as

23:42

needed if there's low visibility. If the

23:44

weather was extremely stormy, they would need

23:46

to be unwashed due both and monitor

23:48

the surrounding waters because it's very possible

23:51

there could be a distress signal coming

23:53

from a ship and they might need

23:55

to dock. Other than that... They did

23:57

have their downtime. A lot of time

23:59

they spent together, they would become very

24:02

close. You would often share meals, entertain

24:04

each other with your keepers, you would

24:06

tell stories, sometimes they would write, sometimes

24:08

they would do wood carvings, lots of

24:10

different habits and pastimes I was reading

24:13

about. But they really had no way

24:15

to contact much of anyone. This goes

24:17

for pretty much any keeper at the

24:19

time, at least not in this year.

24:21

there was the telegraph as mentioned before

24:24

but the telegraph system was not in

24:26

place when it came to this particular

24:28

lighthouse and this was one of the

24:30

first cruise so all you would do

24:32

was just wait for the relief ship

24:35

to come in pray they would come

24:37

in on the correct date as we

24:39

would learn this one did not and

24:41

they would bring you supplies they would

24:43

bring you resources and they would bring

24:46

in new keepers to rotate out so

24:48

you could have your two weeks off

24:50

because it was not just three it

24:52

was actually four keep this lighthouse the

24:54

fourth one was absent and he was

24:57

on his two weeks off. So he

24:59

is among the first to come back

25:01

to shore. I believe on the 26th

25:03

December, after the men have gone missing.

25:05

Thoughts on all of that? The job,

25:08

the men, the boys, the timeline. Oh

25:10

God, it's not a job, I think

25:12

I would be very good at it.

25:14

Is what I was thinking the whole

25:16

time, just like the... Has it come

25:19

across your desk? takes, I mean, I

25:21

know we were talking about, you know,

25:23

it kind of takes a certain demeanor,

25:25

a certain like gruffness, but I mean,

25:27

those winds and like the weather, I

25:30

feel like, especially in that part of

25:32

the country, yeah, it takes a certain

25:34

like justoicism, I feel like, to be

25:36

able to wake up every morning and

25:38

like go do that and like the

25:41

drudgery of it. And I just kind

25:43

of wonder if that, if the routine

25:45

of it's kind of starts out like

25:47

all well and good and then eventually

25:49

as you get closer and closer to

25:52

that like relief date if it's like

25:54

if things to kind of spark you

25:56

know just because you're like getting ready

25:58

you want to get off the your

26:00

time is coming to like go back

26:03

to normal life. So that was kind

26:05

of what I was thinking about. Like,

26:07

specifically I'm looking at the keeper's dinner

26:09

area and I'm like, God, that's so,

26:11

it's like creepers if you look at

26:14

these photos. I mean, it's like, you

26:16

know, a couple of small windows, but

26:18

it's like in the stone looking kind

26:20

of house and you would just really

26:22

want to hope that you're with. That's

26:25

pretty bare bones that you enjoy. Yeah.

26:27

You don't have like how like how.

26:30

I wonder how often they had to like

26:32

kind of go out to the edge of

26:34

the island like if that was at all

26:36

part of their duty like because I'm just

26:39

trying to piece together like if something sinister

26:41

did happen thinking about you know the rocks

26:43

beneath and if you knew the scope of

26:45

the land like you know how much that

26:47

could have played into something just because I'm

26:50

also looking at like the island's edge like

26:52

that long winding staircase I think that's kind

26:54

of built into the rocks it's very eerie.

26:56

how you would get down to like a

26:59

ship that comes to dock or a boat

27:01

probably because I don't think a full ship

27:03

can come up and dock a ship would

27:05

have to stay out in the water and

27:08

then they would send out a smaller like

27:10

rowboat that would actually have to come up

27:12

to the shoreline and then climb the stairs.

27:14

Yeah that makes sense. Also the fourth the

27:16

fourth keeper is just a very interesting nugget.

27:19

I thought that it was like they I

27:21

don't know why I was thinking this but

27:23

like they get they all get relief for

27:25

like two weeks or something and then there's

27:28

one other person that goes out for a

27:30

little bit but it sounds like they rotate

27:32

out with one other person at a time.

27:34

I think so because I think that's what

27:37

the third keeper who was there was technically

27:39

there for because he was the second keeper

27:41

but he was considered a relief keeper so

27:43

I think that's you're exactly right about that

27:46

and this is Donald the 40 year old

27:48

okay but I think you do always need

27:50

a principal keeper so James, I believe that's

27:52

his name. He would have been someone who

27:54

would be valuable to keep there, and then

27:57

he needs a backup keeper, then he needs

27:59

somebody who's kind of in a... training position,

28:01

you could say, although the youngest did have

28:03

quite a bit of experience,

28:05

even at 28. But that brings us

28:08

all to December 15th, 1900. What

28:10

happened on that night? What we know

28:12

is we start our timeline at around

28:14

6 p.m. We're going to go all the

28:16

way through the day and we do have

28:19

records that were listed in the log, I

28:21

believe as late as 9 a.m.m.

28:23

that morning. So everything seemed fine

28:25

and everything was described as calm

28:27

and normal. Six p.m. normal

28:29

duties are pretty much completed, checks

28:31

were done, and a lot of the

28:34

men, all the men, are gonna gather

28:36

around for a meal time probably closer

28:38

between the seven to eight p.m. window. Something

28:40

is believed to have happened between

28:42

the eight to nine p.m. window.

28:45

We don't exactly know what, but

28:47

that's kind of where we think it

28:49

went down. As we have a document

28:51

statement from a passing ship detailing an

28:53

issue with lighthouse between the hours of

28:55

nine to ten p. Where the light

28:57

had gone. out. I did see some reports

29:00

that said that it was

29:02

actually seen at midnight, but this

29:04

was from a captain of a

29:06

passing ship called the Archer, which

29:09

was led by Captain Holman. This

29:11

would have been extremely unusual

29:13

and very dangerous for

29:15

a lighthouse light to go

29:18

out. It's serious, so something did

29:20

seem wrong from afar. However, this

29:22

captain did not immediately

29:24

report this for whatever reason.

29:27

What's interesting about that night, the

29:29

night of the 15th, is that

29:31

apparently their relief ship was supposed

29:33

to come on that very night.

29:35

They did not because of stormy weather,

29:38

and it would actually take them until

29:40

the 26th of December, before the

29:42

relief ship came, a rowboat came in

29:44

and docked, and then they were there

29:47

to relieve them of their duties and

29:49

they discovered the three men were gone.

29:51

Upon the arrival on the 26th of

29:53

that boat, The first person who actually touches land

29:55

is the fourth keeper. And I wish I had

29:57

his name handy. I think I might have listed it

29:59

later on. but he is the one who

30:01

is sent up to actually go check

30:03

on the men. They thought something was

30:05

wrong upon arrival because when they got

30:07

there, there is usually a flag that

30:09

is flying outside of the lighthouse. It

30:11

was not. What was also not customary

30:13

was that the three keepers were not

30:15

down and outside of the lighthouse down

30:17

near the edge to kind of greet

30:19

the ship as they would normally be

30:22

expected to do. So the captain of

30:24

that ship sounded the horn, but he

30:26

saw no movement. No reactions. So what

30:28

they did next was they fired off

30:30

a flare to get their attention. Nobody

30:32

came. So now something seems very wrong

30:34

here. So like I said, what the

30:36

ship was doing is they sent out

30:38

the fourth keeper and they said, you

30:40

go to shore, you've just had two

30:42

weeks off, so you know this, the

30:44

land much better than we do. So

30:46

you go up to the lighthouse. But

30:48

the second he got up there, he

30:50

knew something was very wrong. He

30:52

approached the lighthouse and saw that

30:54

all of the doors to both the

30:57

keeper's quarters as well as the

30:59

lighthouse had been closed except for one

31:01

door which led to the kitchen area.

31:03

I think also the dining area,

31:05

it was like one and the same.

31:08

It appeared that there was wood

31:10

in the fireplace but a fire had

31:12

not been lit for at least

31:14

several days. The beds of the men

31:16

were found made and were empty. The

31:19

lighthouse and the light were in

31:21

perfect working order and were actually, they

31:23

were entirely prepped and ready to

31:25

go. and possibly the most mysterious. Every

31:27

single clock, a more sure, had

31:29

stopped working. And they had all stopped

31:32

working at the exact same time. 845,

31:34

which we're going to assume was

31:36

p.m., which if it was the night

31:38

of December 15th, when the lighthouse

31:40

was seen to go dark, that would

31:43

have put it probably just before

31:45

the 9 to 10 p.m. window, when

31:47

the witnesses saw the light go out.

31:49

All three of the keepers, were

31:52

gone. There is no sign of struggle.

31:54

There is no blood. There are

31:56

no missing items or valuables. Nothing was

31:58

located on the island. everything

32:00

was scrutinized and eventually an investigation

32:03

would be opened. And the relief

32:05

ship actually left, the relief ship

32:07

left three additional men basically to

32:09

take care of the lighthouse while

32:11

an investigation was going to be

32:14

opened because somebody had to run

32:16

the lighthouse and they would immediately

32:18

telegraph over to officials from the

32:20

ship that something very strange and

32:22

very dire had occurred. It was

32:24

on the 26th of December the

32:27

same day that the Northern Lighthouse

32:29

Board received a telegram that said

32:31

the following. A dreadful accident has

32:33

happened at the Flannins. The three

32:35

keepers, Duket, Marshall, and the occasional

32:38

is what's listed. I think that

32:40

meant like the second keeper, have

32:42

disappeared from the island. The clocks

32:44

were stopped and other signs indicated

32:46

the accident must have happened about

32:49

a week ago. Before I step

32:51

any further, just initial reactions to

32:53

the strangeness of what they're finding.

32:55

The clocks is so weird. Because

32:57

in my head I was thinking,

32:59

okay, is this going to be

33:02

like, Somebody tumbled off the side

33:04

and they tried to save him

33:06

or something that like could be

33:08

explained But it feels sort of

33:10

like paranormal you're like Bermuda triangle

33:13

in a weird way Very ghosty

33:15

very ghosty and strange very strange

33:17

Yeah, the clocks and then of

33:19

course like the thought of like

33:21

the light going out kind of

33:23

right after that or sometime right

33:26

after that is very spooky I

33:29

don't know, it's just so strange. I'm

33:32

trying to think if there was a

33:34

part of me that was wondering if

33:36

the time of the month like it

33:39

leading up to the holidays and them

33:41

not getting back to see their families,

33:43

whoever it was that was supposed to

33:46

like go back, could that have played

33:48

into something like people get really weird

33:50

around that time of year? So I

33:52

was trying to think about that going

33:55

into this. I don't know. It's so

33:57

weird. doors being barred. I was like,

33:59

okay, maybe. there was like a terrible

34:02

storm and they had to bar up

34:04

everything. Yeah, I mean, the doors were

34:06

closed. They weren't like barred up. Oh,

34:08

no, they're just closed. Yeah, I think

34:11

the doors were just closed. Although I

34:13

did read a weird report that the

34:15

main door to the lighthouse was locked

34:18

from the inside. I don't know if

34:20

that's entirely true, but I did read

34:22

that and I thought that was really

34:24

bizarre, or. No, that would have been

34:27

a guess. The kitchen, yeah, the kitchen

34:29

is a part of I think the

34:31

keeper's quarters, separate. So something very weird

34:34

was going on there though. It was,

34:36

and of course, like all this is

34:38

happening, they've got three men who were

34:40

left on shore, I think four actually,

34:43

because the original rotational keeper, the other

34:45

occasional, basically stayed and inspections had continued

34:47

and there were other details, I think

34:50

that they found. among the things that

34:52

were left by the men from December

34:54

15th that corroborate the potential timeline that

34:57

everything did happen on the 15th. There

34:59

were a few details that confused me

35:01

about it. One was that there was

35:03

a log on the 15th where I

35:06

believe at least one of the men

35:08

had detailed that the weather was calm

35:10

and everything looked clear by 9 a.m.

35:13

So if this is like leading up

35:15

to some kind of theory around a

35:17

storm, like a terrible storm, there's almost

35:19

no record of it either from the

35:22

men. or from any passing ships or

35:24

any of the other aisles that documented

35:26

this. So if it was a storm,

35:29

it was out of the blue and

35:31

it was very isolated to just their

35:33

location. Would have been quick, I guess.

35:35

Very quick, yeah. And I guess it

35:38

would have happened more than 10 hours

35:40

after the fact, or close to 10

35:42

hours after the fact, if we do

35:45

think it happened around that weird 845

35:47

p.m. Time stamp. Oh, I just got

35:49

to chill thinking about the guy walking

35:51

up those... Stares and going into the

35:54

lighthouse and nobody's there that would absolutely

35:56

terrorize me for the rest of my

35:58

life I think he knew before he

36:01

even got to shore from them blowing

36:03

the horn and from them sending off

36:05

the flare that he might be walking

36:08

into something really sinister. Like he knew

36:10

walking up those steps that he was

36:12

about to walk in on something bad.

36:14

It's not normal. So the details that

36:17

confused me were that I saw two

36:19

conflicting reports. I'm going to choose the

36:21

Occam's razor to assume that this did

36:24

not happen. However, there were some reports

36:26

that I read and it's difficult to

36:28

tell whether this was like tabloid fodder

36:30

at the time. There were allegedly other

36:33

ships that said they saw the lighthouse

36:35

on an operational after the 15th before

36:37

the relief ship arrived on the 26th,

36:40

suggesting that they stopped logging after the

36:42

15th. There's no other record of them.

36:44

All the clocks seemed to stop if

36:46

they did stop on that date at

36:49

845, but the lighthouse was still being

36:51

run by someone. For days. I

36:54

don't know if that was true, and I did find

36:57

a witness statement that I think disproves it from, I

36:59

think it was a neighboring island where somebody was there

37:01

to watch some of the surrounding lighthouses, and he said

37:03

he didn't see it operational after the 12th, until the

37:05

night of the 26th, when the new relief crew took

37:07

over. But it was prepped. Whoever had left it, however

37:09

long it had been left, it was prepared and ready

37:12

to go. It was in perfect working order. a keeper

37:14

ghost. It would be very likely, I feel like, to

37:16

come back and like still make sure that everything's still

37:18

functioning. It would be very likely, or unlikely, no very

37:20

likely, no very likely, like I feel like the demogra,

37:22

like the personality of like a keeper is like, even

37:24

if I'm dead, I'm going to make sure that the

37:26

lighthouse is still being maintained and you know, I feel

37:29

like that's a common. thing in different parts of the

37:31

world, but like any sort of lighthouse, I feel like

37:33

it's typically haunted because they say like ghosts. that

37:35

are in the lighthouse, it's

37:37

like somebody still has to

37:39

keep watch if no one's

37:41

there. And so this is,

37:43

yeah, it's just reminding me

37:46

of that. I'm sure there

37:48

are paranormal folks who are

37:50

listening who are like, if

37:52

they know they're dead. Oh

37:54

yeah. If they know they're

37:56

dead, like maybe for them.

37:58

And like whatever their timeline

38:01

is, they think that they're

38:03

just doing the job stuck

38:05

in this like purgatory. Yeah.

38:07

So grain of salt with

38:09

that one, I would say

38:11

because I did find the

38:13

conflicting report that I think

38:15

somewhat disproves it, but even

38:18

that report, the timeline of

38:20

it is a little like

38:22

messed up because somebody definitely

38:24

did see the light go

38:26

out on the 15th, like

38:28

saw the light on, saw

38:30

the light go out around

38:32

that nine to 10 p

38:35

.m. window. And this guy

38:37

is saying it's been out

38:39

since the 12th. So there's

38:41

a little bit of like

38:43

dissonance of those two statements. Additionally,

38:48

based on the knowledge of the fourth

38:50

man, I believe, like I said, he had

38:52

been off for two weeks and he

38:54

knew the exact clothing that the men had

38:56

with them, which I thought was a

38:58

really useful detail here. So he could tell

39:00

pretty much what they were wearing the

39:03

night that they vanished, if it was the

39:05

15th. He knew for a fact, because

39:07

there was a coat left behind that one

39:09

of the men had only one coat.

39:11

This was his only coat. And this is

39:13

in frigid December on this aisle. So

39:15

if he did disappear, if he was off

39:18

the island or somewhere on the island,

39:20

he was without his coat and that would

39:22

have been very unlikely. Why he would

39:24

have left the Keeper's quarters in the evening

39:26

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39:30

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still no sign of a struggle. There's no

41:48

damage. There's no evidence of an unexpected visitor.

41:50

So if we're leaning into this idea that

41:52

something had gone down outside where there was

41:55

a visitor, they were not expecting and they

41:57

had to run out to defend, you know,

41:59

the court. of the lighthouse, we don't

42:01

have any evidence of that. Before

42:03

I jump into any of the

42:05

conversations around theories and the logic

42:07

behind what could have happened here,

42:10

do you have any instincts or

42:12

feelings about the timeline and how

42:14

this might have gone down where

42:16

something interrupts them around 845, we're

42:18

guessing? They leave their meals, they

42:20

run out without coats, clock stop,

42:22

lighthouse goes out. Do you know

42:24

where the coats were found? Like

42:26

was it found in the kitchen?

42:28

Or hung up? Hung up. Okay.

42:30

Because I was all I read,

42:33

hung up. If they went, you

42:35

know, like if they were going

42:37

to have dinner, like they take

42:39

their coats off, they like sit

42:41

down for a nice meal. And

42:43

then in my mind, I would

42:45

think some sort of like emergency

42:47

happens and they got to make

42:49

a run for it. And almost

42:51

to me, I was like, there

42:53

must have been some passing... thing

42:55

going by that like needed their

42:58

attention is what I was thinking

43:00

like oh like a ship or

43:02

something like a ship or yeah

43:04

someone going by it. See me

43:06

kill a bug. Did you see

43:08

that? All I saw your eyes

43:10

closed and I went he's going

43:12

on. Maybe I'm waiting for it

43:14

the day. Oh my god. This

43:16

was already giving Scooby-Doo and I

43:18

really thought we were about to

43:20

have a cartoon network moment. I

43:23

hope I crossed my eyes every

43:25

time. Did I really go credit?

43:27

I didn't even realize I'm crossing.

43:29

Creeper's screenshot that. Good God. You

43:31

know, I would. I don't even

43:33

think I got the bug is

43:35

the thing. I don't even think

43:37

I got the fly. Well, if

43:39

it comes back. Don't wish that

43:41

upon me. But yes, like you

43:43

were saying, something might have gone

43:46

by is what you're getting a

43:48

feeling. Something would have gone by

43:50

or like they were in like,

43:52

in my mind, I would think

43:54

like what. danger. Like a storm,

43:56

right? That's what I'm imagining too.

43:58

Yeah, and they need to like,

44:00

you know, make a run and

44:02

get up and secure something down

44:04

or make sure the light's not

44:06

going to go out. Well, here's

44:08

the thing about that. Well, here's

44:11

the thing about that. Because the

44:13

thing about that, because and I

44:15

will get into this when we

44:17

talk about the theories, when it

44:19

comes to the weather and like

44:21

what we're assuming could have taken

44:23

them out. These are waves of

44:25

like biblical proportions. It's hard to

44:27

believe. There are those famous photos

44:29

though of like lighthouses getting completely

44:31

like, what am I trying to

44:33

say, encapsulated by a wave, engulfed

44:36

by a wave, engulfed by a

44:38

wave. So I mean that could

44:40

be, that's a possibility I would

44:42

think it is, it is for

44:44

sure. I feel like the storm

44:46

would have been so massive though

44:48

that. people would have known about

44:50

it would have been like oh

44:52

my god the passing ship at

44:54

9 p.m. yeah the witness ship

44:56

like they would know if waters

44:58

were like that bad that bad

45:01

um either that or this is

45:03

weird but I keep having this

45:05

like a vision of one of

45:07

them kind of starting to lose

45:09

the plot a little bit and

45:11

being like I'm just gonna jump

45:13

off into the water and the

45:15

two of them like running after

45:17

that person to like make sure

45:19

he didn't do it or something

45:21

or something I think that's fair.

45:24

I mean that's a possibility. I

45:26

always like go by the saying

45:28

that the ocean always gives back

45:30

what she takes. There have never

45:32

been any bodies at least during

45:34

the investigation and people were stationed

45:36

on this lighthouse indefinitely after like

45:38

for a long time so there

45:40

were no reports of bodies ever

45:42

washing up back to the shore

45:44

of the lighthouse where they had

45:46

jumped but I do think that

45:49

if those previous logs and like

45:51

journal entries that came about were

45:53

true, were to be believed. There

45:55

is maybe a hint that's something

45:57

wasn't quite right with the men

45:59

solely because I remember reading one

46:01

where the youngest talked about them

46:03

suffering through some horrific storms at

46:05

the lighthouse. And there were storms

46:07

that were so bad that all

46:09

the men did was they prayed

46:11

together. They prayed. But there are

46:14

no other records of these storms.

46:16

So some people have wondered, were

46:18

they like? going a bit crazy

46:20

and like kind of hallucinating the

46:22

storms or did the fact that

46:24

the relief ship didn't come on

46:26

the night of the 15th like

46:28

it was supposed to also make

46:30

them go a bit crazy? Yeah,

46:32

just like exacerbated it. I mean

46:34

that to me was like that

46:37

was the first thing when you

46:39

said that I was like oh

46:41

no that's not a good sign

46:43

because like isolation in and of

46:45

it's like you're already in of

46:47

You already have to be the

46:49

type of person if you're taking

46:51

this job that like not much

46:53

bothers you and keep a steady

46:55

calm demeanor but like even that

46:57

person is going to be like

46:59

you freaking kidding me like the

47:02

relief crew isn't here I have

47:04

to do you know it's just

47:06

it's testing the temper maybe the

47:08

limits yeah it's testing people's limits.

47:10

Do you think that could have

47:12

been well I'm curious how that

47:14

potentially plays into the specific time

47:16

that the men. seemingly ran out

47:18

in the middle of a meal,

47:20

we're guessing somewhere I'm going to

47:22

guess between 8 to 10 p.m.

47:24

when we know the light went

47:27

out, I don't know why the

47:29

light would go out, because once

47:31

the light is on after dark,

47:33

it theoretically just requires checks to

47:35

make sure that it's still working

47:37

properly. And the light was in

47:39

not only working order, but it

47:41

was completely prepped and ready to

47:43

go. Like we fueled. Would the

47:45

light have been on while they're

47:47

having their meal? Yes. So

47:50

it I mean it could have I

47:52

guess well, and then sorry and then

47:54

you said that they the passing ship

47:57

saw the light working at like 9

47:59

a passing saw the light working right

48:01

around nine just before nine, but then

48:03

between nine to ten they saw the

48:05

light go out. Okay. Because in my

48:08

mind I was like, okay, maybe the

48:10

light went out and they all started

48:12

like skidaddled and they were like, oh,

48:14

we gotta go fix the light or

48:16

figure out how to get it going.

48:19

Which still could have been true. And

48:21

then tempers fly because someone's not doing

48:23

it correctly or whatever. And then it

48:25

goes out later on and then it

48:27

all comes to a head again. I

48:30

do just think it's really weird that

48:32

the meals were completely there though, or

48:34

like half eaten meals. I think that's

48:36

very very strange because I feel like

48:38

these are the types of people that

48:41

like are so routine and just careful

48:43

and like take care of things that

48:45

right after the meal it would have

48:47

been like clean up, put the dishes

48:50

away, go into bed, change into my

48:52

night clothes, you know like. Right. Well

48:54

it suggests a level of urgency that

48:56

something was immediate and immediately needed their

48:58

attention, but I take umbrage with the

49:01

idea that the light was faulty or

49:03

having a problem because as I said

49:05

it was found in perfect working order

49:07

and not only perfect working order it

49:09

was prepped and fueled. It was ready

49:12

to go. It just seemed to be

49:14

manually off. I'm like was somebody... Is

49:16

somebody messing with it at that point?

49:18

You know like I'm trying to think

49:20

about like... Like was somebody losing the

49:23

plot and like turning it off out

49:25

of... retaliation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

49:27

something, especially if the principal keeper is

49:29

a very, you know, if he runs

49:31

a tight ship, like maybe the 28-year-old

49:34

kind of young book is getting a

49:36

little too, like he's not doing things

49:38

by the books and then decides. I

49:40

was going to say the guy with

49:42

the temper, I was thinking of... Well,

49:45

I guess the question okay, so if

49:47

we're going with that in that direction

49:49

that like one of them either the

49:51

young buck I thought that you called

49:54

them a young buck I'm gonna start

49:56

saying that The young buck or the

49:58

40 year old with the temper Am

50:00

I the 40 year old but the

50:02

temper? I was going to say. Eight

50:05

more years. Spotify manager is our principal

50:07

keeper. But if they're going rogue, one

50:09

of them's going rogue and the principal

50:11

keeper, if it's not him, it could

50:13

be the principal keeper who's also losing

50:16

the plot. tries to go in and

50:18

like mediate the situation or like put

50:20

his fist that you know his fist

50:22

down he goes this is not happening

50:24

we're gonna run things the way I'm

50:27

gonna run things here there's no sign

50:29

of a struggle that there was any

50:31

kind of fight that broke out and

50:33

what's so interesting and I think maybe

50:35

telling the I believe believe it was

50:38

this guy unless I'm confusing it for

50:40

the principal keeper I think it was

50:42

the 40 year old with the temper

50:44

Donald I think his name is name

50:47

is Mac Arthur his coat was the

50:49

one left behind I don't know if

50:51

that tells us anything. One coat left

50:53

behind. Yes, there's only one of the

50:55

men's coats was left behind. It was

50:58

his, I believe. It's either his or

51:00

James. I don't want to get it

51:02

confused, but... I feel like that could

51:04

tell us a lot. I mean, if

51:06

they were nowhere to be found, then

51:09

I feel like that means... They were

51:11

wearing them when they disappeared. Yeah, yeah,

51:13

yeah. And like they went outside is

51:15

what that would tell me. I just

51:17

don't know what the nature of that.

51:20

if there was like a confrontation of

51:22

sorts, like what that would have been.

51:24

It almost feels like the one guy

51:26

like that's pissing everyone off is the

51:28

one without the coat because maybe the

51:31

other two are like, they get up

51:33

from dinner, they put on their coats

51:35

to go outside, they gotta take a

51:37

breather or something and then the other

51:39

one feels like jaded and ends up

51:42

doing something. Like I don't know. Maybe

51:44

he loses the plot. I'm thinking he

51:46

loses the plot and maybe runs off

51:48

or tries to do something stupid. He's

51:51

like, I gotta get out of here

51:53

and he's like not thinking straight. So

51:55

the other two men run after him

51:57

or something. I just don't know. That

51:59

explains to me a lot when it

52:02

comes to like the urgency, the leaving

52:04

in the middle of a meal, like

52:06

why nobody attended the light. There should

52:08

be no. reason that the light went

52:10

out. There really should not be. From

52:13

what I read and what I understood

52:15

about like how light beacons work, but

52:17

somehow the light goes out, the men

52:19

leave in the middle of their meals,

52:21

there's no sign of a struggle or

52:24

any kind of like injury or fight,

52:26

and then the god damn clock stop.

52:28

The clock shopping is, I don't know

52:30

why that immediately made me go, whoop,

52:32

like in a way that it felt

52:35

like. Not warm. this or whoop. There,

52:37

now they have a screenshot of me

52:39

to go next year's. That's gonna be

52:41

the thumbnail. I had a bug. There

52:44

wasn't a case for me. My God,

52:46

God forbid someone tries to kill a

52:48

fly. Oh God. But yeah, there is

52:50

definitely a like Bermuda triangle you feeling

52:52

to this. It does feel very like

52:55

kind of a paranormal in a weird

52:57

way. Well maybe we should explore a

52:59

little bit of that side because I

53:01

do have I mean I have theories

53:03

here I just kind of wanted to

53:06

run and like chat through some of

53:08

the theories but we've already talked about

53:10

some of the logical side I think

53:12

we should flesh out some of the

53:14

logical side I think we should flesh

53:17

out some of the logical but I

53:19

also want to talk about the other

53:21

side because there is quite a lot

53:23

of lore about this place about this

53:25

specific island. The Flanan Isles in general

53:28

the seven hunters they have lore around

53:30

them and it's very old. different men

53:32

that had passed by that talked about

53:34

shadow figures on the seven hunters. And

53:36

there were people that claimed to see

53:39

mysterious phantoms, they described them as roaming

53:41

the lands, and this bled into a

53:43

bit of lore about the island that

53:45

spanned over a number of years, and

53:48

that I think there is some lore

53:50

around the islands being named after St.

53:52

Flanen, who was an Irish monk who

53:54

lived in the seventh century and supposedly

53:56

built a small chapel there, I think

53:59

specifically on this is an according to

54:01

legend. The island was sacred and disturbing

54:03

it would bring you great misfortune. So

54:05

not even a year after the very

54:07

first construction of this lighthouse, the first

54:10

residing crew of keepers, goes missing under

54:12

strange circumstances. You could imagine the media

54:14

ran with this. And a lot of

54:16

this is, you know, built from not

54:18

only Celtic, but pagan superstition. When it

54:21

came to lands and cursed lands, many

54:23

people just believe these were haunted grounds.

54:25

So that brings up the question. If

54:27

there's an illogical explanation to this, that

54:29

delves into the paranormal or something we

54:32

can't fully explain. Does that give credence

54:34

to the strangeness of the clock stopping

54:36

at 845 p.m. just before the light

54:38

had mysteriously gone out? And although the

54:40

other half of this is the grain

54:43

of salt comment about people claiming to

54:45

see the light working even after the

54:47

15th, does that build our case? It

54:49

might. I'm wondering if there was ever

54:52

another lighthouse on this island, or was

54:54

this the first? I wonder. Very first.

54:56

I think from what I saw there

54:58

were the ruins of an old chapel

55:00

on the sile. Imagine getting married out

55:03

there. Well that's what I'm saying. It

55:05

had to do with like the St.

55:07

Flan and like lore around the Pachetic

55:09

lore about like this is sacred land.

55:11

You build nothing here you don't disturb

55:14

the land. And people held true to

55:16

that until there was a practical purpose

55:18

for why they would need a lighthouse

55:20

on the land constructed in 1899. One

55:22

of the first cruise goes missing. I

55:25

mean, that just seems so strange for

55:28

it to happen within the very first

55:30

year. Bazaar. Bazaar. I'm... I don't know

55:32

which way to fall on this. The

55:34

thing that throws the largest wrench in

55:36

it for me are the clocks. Yeah.

55:39

I mean, that was the first thing

55:41

when you said that I was like,

55:43

that, like, how would they just stop?

55:45

Unless... Okay, so let's think about how

55:48

they could stop. Would it stop just

55:50

because, like, like, like, maybe... pressure or

55:52

like storm or like conditions is I

55:54

could think of. From my historical knowledge.

55:57

As a, do you know there's a

55:59

term for a clockmaker? It's like, because

56:01

I heard it from that other true

56:03

crime podcast. God, the one about, it's

56:06

so famous about Alabama, and like, but

56:08

anyways, it all leads back to a

56:10

clockmaker. God, wait. No, I mean, it's

56:12

with the name of it. My God.

56:15

Okay. Hold on. Let me tell you.

56:17

Well, maker. Maker. Sorry. Stop. Did you

56:19

want, I'm keeping this by the way,

56:21

my place. I forgot to take it

56:24

with me. So keep it. Because can

56:26

you imagine on the flight back? It's

56:28

like, in my carry-on, my God. I

56:30

know, talk about pressure, air change, pressure.

56:33

It's just going off every two seconds.

56:35

It's a horologist and it's horology. Horology.

56:37

Horology. Never heard that in my life.

56:39

Yeah. Well, as I am also a

56:42

horologous, now that I'm a horologist, my

56:44

historical knowledge, my historical knowledge, I don't

56:46

know for sure, I don't know for

56:48

sure, but I don't know for sure,

56:50

but I don't know for sure. clocks

56:53

had to be hand-wound back in the

56:55

day. Okay. In 1900. So if there

56:57

was no one to wind the clocks,

56:59

they would stop. Oh, well, then it

57:02

would make sense if they all stopped

57:04

at the same time, because I bet

57:06

whoever it was wound them all up

57:08

themselves to a certain point. So that

57:11

could make sense. It could. But also

57:13

strange, given the type of... people that

57:15

were there, these keepers, that somebody wasn't

57:17

really in charge of that or like

57:20

on top of it to make sure

57:22

they were wound. Because I feel like

57:24

having the clocks be correct, must be

57:26

very important to what they're in charge

57:29

of. They need to document. Yeah, it's

57:31

like what if a clock stops or

57:33

something, then the whole system is screwed.

57:35

Would you have no point of reference?

57:38

Or could the clock stopping be what

57:40

kind of started a incident? Oh, that's

57:42

interesting. Like maybe one of them forgot

57:44

to... wine the clocks and they all

57:47

stopped and that's when the argument broke

57:49

out. I'm just curious, that makes total

57:51

sense to me. I'm still in the

57:53

camp of like... Some kind of like

57:56

fight maybe broke out even though there

57:58

are no signs of a struggle. Maybe

58:00

it was storming. It was windy and

58:02

that helped to cover up any tracks

58:04

or anything. I also read something which

58:07

I could not refined after I read

58:09

it once that there were a series

58:11

of footprints which they believe came from

58:13

one of the men that like stop

58:16

somewhere on the grounds like in the

58:18

mud. Like they just stop. Don't know

58:20

if I can corroborate that as one

58:22

of the first people on the scene

58:25

in 1900 right right right well I

58:27

just say they're not responsible for that

58:29

no no no study of clocks it's

58:31

not on the books but I'm still

58:34

tracking with you on the books but

58:36

I'm still tracking with you on that

58:38

like maybe something insights and that like

58:40

maybe something incuses an argument where one

58:43

of them runs out in the middle

58:45

of a meal which would make sense

58:47

because that's the time that they keep

58:49

track of when they get up and

58:52

when they're supposed to do things, runs

58:54

out and maybe somebody pushed someone off

58:56

the ledge. Yeah, because I know that

58:58

like bodies obviously wash up in an

59:01

ocean, but my God, like creepers, you

59:03

got to look at a picture of

59:05

how high up this is and how

59:07

rocky it is. I mean, and especially

59:10

given the time period, a body could

59:12

certainly go missing here for a very,

59:14

very long time. But all three, how

59:16

do all three get in the water?

59:20

Because I think someone went in to

59:22

try to save the person. Maybe the

59:24

other one did too. That, I mean,

59:26

that's possible. It just seems really stupid,

59:28

really illogical. I mean, these are not

59:30

men that were born yesterday when it

59:33

comes to working near the ocean. They

59:35

know that the sea, if it takes

59:37

somebody, there's no saving somebody. Yeah. But

59:39

I mean, if they were close enough,

59:41

like, because I think, I don't know,

59:43

it just depend on like how... awful

59:45

the waters were at that point. Because

59:47

also like they but they do have

59:49

like a sense of duty to themselves

59:51

in each other like to take care

59:53

of each other while they're held up

59:55

in this place and like They've got

59:57

families, like, I mean, if one of

59:59

them would, you know, overboard over the

1:00:01

island's edge. Like no man left behind

1:00:03

kind of scenario. Yeah, that kind of

1:00:05

a feeling, especially like just given their

1:00:08

backgrounds, how long they've been doing this,

1:00:10

that they would maybe be a little

1:00:12

bit more ambitious about that, like, oh,

1:00:14

I know how to save someone or

1:00:16

I can take care of this, but

1:00:18

it's very odd that all three though

1:00:20

would go missing to your point, because

1:00:22

I feel like. the smart thing to

1:00:24

do would be like, okay, I'm gonna

1:00:26

go in and try to get them.

1:00:28

If something happens to me, don't come

1:00:30

after me. Like, then it's too treacherous.

1:00:32

Or maybe one goes back to like,

1:00:34

fly a signal that they're in distress

1:00:36

or something. Like, it would seem like

1:00:38

they would be an order of operations.

1:00:40

I'm assuming in their training. If something

1:00:43

like this were to happen where a

1:00:45

man goes over the edge or a

1:00:47

man falls into the water. And they

1:00:49

did have safety stuff there, like I

1:00:51

believe they had like a rescue buoy

1:00:53

and things like that that they could

1:00:55

throw out if needed, but it just

1:00:57

seemed like all three of them must

1:00:59

have gone into the water if that's

1:01:01

the case. The thing that still throws

1:01:03

it off for me is what the

1:01:05

hell stops the light from functioning when

1:01:07

the light is found in perfect working

1:01:09

order and ready to go by the

1:01:11

time the relief crew gets there, 10

1:01:13

days later, 11 days later. When you

1:01:15

say manually, it was turned off. Like

1:01:17

do you know what the apparatus has

1:01:20

as a keeper yourself? Do you know

1:01:22

what? Not only as a clock specialist,

1:01:24

but as a keeper. I'm curious like

1:01:26

how it all how much of it

1:01:28

was really You know controlled by a

1:01:30

human and how much of it was

1:01:32

sort of like you said it and

1:01:34

forget it From what I read it

1:01:36

is a set it and forget it

1:01:38

because these men had to periodically go

1:01:40

up to ensure that it was still

1:01:42

running after instil working properly after it

1:01:44

was already on and going and in

1:01:46

most cases It did not falter. That

1:01:48

was what the whole point of the

1:01:50

maintenance of the routine checks and the

1:01:52

logging was about. The thing was in

1:01:55

perfect working order and it was brand

1:01:57

new. It's not even like a year

1:01:59

old. Yeah. So. To me

1:02:01

that suggests it just would be strange

1:02:03

for this to go out on a

1:02:05

whim I guess Especially after it was

1:02:07

investigated and checked after the fact once

1:02:09

the relief crew gets there So I

1:02:12

have to assume that if it did

1:02:14

go out it was purposeful Yeah, for

1:02:16

what reason I don't know Unless and

1:02:18

I was thinking about this as well

1:02:20

because there is another theory to this

1:02:23

about an unexpected intruder and although there's

1:02:25

no evidence of this when it comes

1:02:27

to intruders I'm thinking about pirates? I

1:02:29

don't know what the hell a pirate

1:02:31

would want from some keepers, but maybe

1:02:34

food or resources. Yeah, potentially. Or to,

1:02:36

if they're being chased or something, maybe

1:02:38

make sure that there's no, because I'm

1:02:40

sure as a keeper, you know what

1:02:42

a pirate ship looks like, or you

1:02:45

can, I guess, could get word that

1:02:47

a pirate ship is in those waters

1:02:49

and to be, you know, careful and

1:02:51

send a telegram if you see it

1:02:53

or something, and so maybe. they wanted

1:02:56

to stop themselves from ever getting caught.

1:02:58

I could see that being a possibility.

1:03:00

Well I was wondering if maybe they

1:03:02

they did have an inkling that there

1:03:04

was somebody out there in the water,

1:03:07

a ship, like a ship they weren't

1:03:09

expecting that was kind of buying them

1:03:11

and as a safety protocol. I don't

1:03:13

know if this would have been safe

1:03:15

or this would have been violating protocol

1:03:17

to keep themselves safe. They went dark.

1:03:20

So manually turned off the light and

1:03:22

turned off all the other lights and

1:03:24

it was emergent which is why they

1:03:26

ran out in the middle of a

1:03:28

meal. One of them without their coat

1:03:31

because they said this is an immediate

1:03:33

threat and we need to go dark

1:03:35

so that the ship can't come any

1:03:37

closer So they can't see us in

1:03:39

the dark of night And maybe they

1:03:42

still got him. It's the weirdest thing.

1:03:44

Well, that would be the thing. Yeah

1:03:46

Or that they've slipped or something all

1:03:48

three of them Yeah, maybe maybe had

1:03:50

turned off the light manually to do

1:03:53

that and then went out to sort

1:03:55

of Watch keep a watchful lie, but

1:03:57

it was so dark they had slipped

1:03:59

or were blown over by the wind

1:04:01

How long was it before? So they

1:04:04

had their last communication with them December

1:04:06

5th. 15th. Did they have communication? No,

1:04:08

no, there's no communication. Yeah, that's what

1:04:10

I was saying. They have no means

1:04:12

of communication. None. Okay. The last log

1:04:15

that was written was the morning of

1:04:17

the 15th. Okay. Do you know what

1:04:19

the log said? Yeah, it was, I

1:04:21

mean, I believe it was written by

1:04:23

the 28-year-old. He was in charge of

1:04:26

logging, I think, and he wrote very

1:04:28

brief, but he just said that the

1:04:30

weather was clear and looked calm and

1:04:32

looked calm. And that was, I think,

1:04:34

shortly after 9 a.m. And that is

1:04:37

the latest log they have. So maybe

1:04:39

he was waiting to do the remainder

1:04:41

of the logs later that night, but

1:04:43

I think it would be strange that

1:04:45

he would actually stop logging before they

1:04:47

would have a meal. Well, it's also

1:04:50

just so strange that they, he stopped

1:04:52

logging, they didn't find him for a

1:04:54

week. I mean, I guess they went

1:04:56

missing probably right around that time, and

1:04:58

then made a full week. Yeah. There

1:05:01

was a full week. If it was

1:05:03

somebody, an intruder to get rid of

1:05:05

the bodies, take them, you know, get

1:05:07

out of there, have nobody spot them.

1:05:09

Yeah, the odd thing is that. The

1:05:12

odd thing is that. Well, the odd

1:05:14

thing that kind of like throws that

1:05:16

out of whack is that nothing was

1:05:18

taken. Albeit they don't have, you know,

1:05:20

gold and riches, but if pirates are

1:05:23

coming to steel resources, then no clothes

1:05:25

are taken, the beds are not ransacked,

1:05:27

there are no valuables, no food is

1:05:29

taken, no food is taken, no fuel,

1:05:31

like. Just take them in. Just take

1:05:34

the keepers. And that's where the strangeness

1:05:36

comes from. Do you know what like

1:05:38

the locals feel like happened or like

1:05:40

are they mostly sold on like it

1:05:42

being? Sort of like a paranormal thing

1:05:45

or like the locals back in Scotland.

1:05:47

Yeah. Yeah. Have you phoned them up?

1:05:49

It's like so from my journalism career

1:05:51

in the year 1900. I can also

1:05:53

speak to this as well. Well, I've

1:05:56

talked about your ghost telling career. Well,

1:05:58

most of most of the most of

1:06:00

the stories, I think, like that got

1:06:02

back to Scotland had to come through

1:06:04

the newspaper. So officially the, what is

1:06:07

it called, what is it called, the

1:06:09

National Lighthouse Board, the NLB, they had

1:06:11

launched their investigation. They came to the

1:06:13

conclusion that it had to be some

1:06:15

kind of a logical explanation that the

1:06:17

man were blown over the cliff side

1:06:20

and drowned in the water. That was

1:06:22

their investigation. They were not able to

1:06:24

adequately explain the situation with the clocks,

1:06:26

even though that was detailed in the

1:06:28

very first telegraph that was sent back

1:06:31

to the NLB. When it came to

1:06:33

what the folks in Scotland in Scotland

1:06:35

thought, They were mostly getting fed the

1:06:37

story through the press. So they're obviously

1:06:39

getting a heightened version of it. So

1:06:42

to them, it sounds very paranormal. And

1:06:44

they're also much more deeply ingrained when

1:06:46

it comes to Celtic and pagan lore.

1:06:48

Hmm. I would be curious what like

1:06:50

other like, I'm going to sound like,

1:06:53

what other creepers think? Keepers think. If

1:06:55

there's a creeper that's a keeper, that's

1:06:57

just, I need to know. You're looking

1:06:59

at one of them. The creeper keepers.

1:07:01

The creeper keeper. But that's really all

1:07:04

I got on the story though. That's

1:07:06

so wild. I'm like, I need to

1:07:08

figure this out right now. Like I

1:07:10

want to like, I wonder if there's

1:07:12

other lighthouse keepers just like all the

1:07:15

technology they have now to wonder like

1:07:17

if they've speculated what could have gone

1:07:19

wrong. Sort of like aviation mysteries where

1:07:21

today it's under a very different perspective

1:07:23

because there's so much experience and so

1:07:26

much tech to try to reassemble the

1:07:28

storyline. This one is just bizarre. yeah

1:07:30

it's just strange it's making me want

1:07:32

to go back and watch the lighthouse

1:07:34

really yeah my god because it is

1:07:37

it is it is a I've never

1:07:39

seen the movie is I was gonna

1:07:41

say how many points of similarity did

1:07:43

you see between the lighthouse and this

1:07:45

story well that story it's like it's

1:07:47

a little different I'm trying to remember

1:07:50

like I haven't seen it in a

1:07:52

while but like it's very much the

1:07:54

idea of these two men being isolated

1:07:56

it's just two just two just two

1:07:58

keepers and so one of them starts

1:08:01

to go a little like wacky and

1:08:03

there's this whole like image of like

1:08:05

when a seagull comes that something's off

1:08:07

or like something is you know, or

1:08:09

a dead seagull, I think something is

1:08:12

gonna go awry. So it's like they

1:08:14

start. I might be like butchering this

1:08:16

plot line up. Since you brought up

1:08:18

a seagull, I forgot to mention this

1:08:20

because when the fourth keeper, the one

1:08:23

who had been a part of the

1:08:25

relief crew came and first discovered all

1:08:27

of the men were missing. He documented

1:08:29

something strange, which was later kind of

1:08:31

thrown out, and they're like, well, what

1:08:34

does that mean? There were three large

1:08:36

black birds set on the top of

1:08:38

the lighthouse, and the second he came

1:08:40

up, all three flew away. And this

1:08:42

may not mean anything. A lot of

1:08:45

people have said, is this an omen.

1:08:47

Some people who really fix it on

1:08:49

the paranormal side of this, they believe

1:08:51

there was some kind of like a

1:08:53

transformational swap where the men became the

1:08:56

birds. It was a lot of like

1:08:58

lore behind this, but it was something

1:09:00

he... detailed in his official report of

1:09:02

what he witnessed. He said, I walked

1:09:04

up and there were three large blackbirds

1:09:07

perched on top of the lighthouse and

1:09:09

the second I walked up to the

1:09:11

door, all three flew away. That's so

1:09:13

weird. Is it still there today? Yes,

1:09:15

I believe so. Some of the pictures

1:09:17

I included are pretty modern. They're pretty

1:09:20

new. That is so freaking spooky. And

1:09:22

what's funny, or not funny, but I

1:09:24

guess kind of... Interesting, and who's to

1:09:26

say whether this is, I don't know,

1:09:28

the heat of the lore around this,

1:09:31

but the relief crews that continued to

1:09:33

be there year after year to keep

1:09:35

watch insist that the aisle is haunted

1:09:37

by these men. They often claim to

1:09:39

hear the men's names whispered through the

1:09:42

wind at night. I don't know if

1:09:44

that's just like the spookiness of the

1:09:46

isolation and knowing that the very first

1:09:48

crew who were there met a very

1:09:50

sinister fate. Yeah, but there is something

1:09:53

strange about that place. Oh my God,

1:09:55

I want to go. I'm like, how

1:09:57

fast can we get there? Maybe you

1:09:59

would go flying off that cliff. Literally

1:10:01

kicked into the outside. The press

1:10:04

is like, creeper disappears.

1:10:06

No, not keeper, um, God.

1:10:09

What a weird spooky tail.

1:10:11

That is so strange. Occam's

1:10:13

razor. What would you say

1:10:16

is the most logical to

1:10:18

you? I want

1:10:20

to believe that there's like an emotional

1:10:22

component to it that there were some

1:10:24

weird dynamic which there still could be

1:10:26

I think in my mind I'm like

1:10:29

blowing it out of proportion like trying

1:10:31

to craft a story around it. I do

1:10:33

think that for some reason that time of

1:10:35

year really sticks out to me and the

1:10:37

idea that some them thinking that they were

1:10:40

going to get some relief and they

1:10:42

don't get it I do think that

1:10:44

that could produce some strange shifts in

1:10:46

dynamics so I don't like totally toss

1:10:48

out my feelings that like something

1:10:50

emotional might have been a play but if

1:10:52

I had to guess I think that it

1:10:54

was probably like really really rough

1:10:56

storm or waters and something happened and

1:10:59

they went to try to like save

1:11:01

somebody and then something went off

1:11:03

that would be my guess what is your guess?

1:11:05

I'm with you actually when it comes to

1:11:07

like the emotional I think there was some

1:11:10

kind of a fight or some contention that

1:11:12

caused one of them to run out and

1:11:14

maybe the others to run after him. I

1:11:16

think something like that might have

1:11:19

happened and then one fell, I think,

1:11:21

and maybe it was a scenario where

1:11:23

they tried to make their way down

1:11:26

and it was just too dark, maybe

1:11:28

they slipped into the water, whatever

1:11:30

it could have been. I don't know that

1:11:32

I buy the weather theory. I think

1:11:35

the witnessing ship would have made

1:11:37

note of that. Yeah. And there's no

1:11:39

other evidence otherwise in any of the

1:11:41

logs, any of the neighboring aisles, that

1:11:43

there was any weather that was so

1:11:45

severe that the men would walk outside

1:11:47

and quite literally be blown off into the

1:11:49

ocean. Comes out later, the witnessing ship had

1:11:51

like beef with the keepers. I mean,

1:11:54

the witnessing ship, I did think it

1:11:56

was interesting that they did not report

1:11:58

until after the fact that they... remembered

1:12:00

seeing the light was out. Hmm, that

1:12:03

is weird. I mean, that would

1:12:05

have been, that would have been

1:12:07

pretty bad, but they're not the

1:12:09

only lighthouse on one of those aisles

1:12:11

that would be there to help

1:12:14

guide and direct ships. So it

1:12:16

could have been that they thought

1:12:18

it was benign, like maybe a

1:12:20

technical issue, where they're like, well,

1:12:22

those men of there are probably

1:12:25

taking care of it, but only

1:12:27

after it came out, we saw it. It's

1:12:30

so smoky. Oh my God. That's

1:12:32

all I have for you. I'm

1:12:34

like, this feels like a, like

1:12:36

I want us to, I'm like,

1:12:38

I'm coming off at the Scooby-Doo

1:12:41

vibes on tour. I'm like, I

1:12:43

want us to go solve the

1:12:45

mystery. I don't know. This is

1:12:47

one of those strange ones

1:12:49

that's, it's been so long

1:12:51

and it's so old that I

1:12:53

actually don't know if it will

1:12:56

see its way between lore

1:12:58

and tragedy. Yeah, I wonder if

1:13:00

people want to solve it or if

1:13:02

they want it to kind of remain

1:13:04

this like this like ghost story in

1:13:06

a way. I don't know. It's not really

1:13:08

a place for tourism. I will say like

1:13:11

it's not exactly all that safe to

1:13:13

go there any time of the year. There's

1:13:15

no ghost tours on the Flanta Niles. No,

1:13:17

not to my knowledge. I could be wrong,

1:13:19

but I have to check in with my

1:13:21

tour guides and my sources. You know, I

1:13:24

have them for the Flanta Nilesan

1:13:26

application. I'm working all these jobs.

1:13:28

But that is what I've got. Thank you

1:13:30

so much for diving into that with me.

1:13:32

I know that was a bit of a

1:13:34

strange one for creep time, but I wanted

1:13:36

to bring something a little bit different

1:13:39

because this caught my attention and

1:13:41

we don't normally dive into things

1:13:43

that are all too paranormal. So hopefully

1:13:45

that was a nice change of pace

1:13:47

and very creepy. Yeah, that was very

1:13:49

creepy. Loved it. Well, maybe I'll bring back

1:13:52

more of those later on, but for now

1:13:54

we're going to have to say goodbye. Bye

1:13:56

you guys, we'll catch you on After Dark right after this.

1:13:58

Bye creepers!