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here uh... evil kinevel we're gonna

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start out in october of nineteen

4:36

seventy five where his twelve-year-old son

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Robbie kinevel who will later be

4:40

a daredevil on his own as

4:42

a little bit of problems legally

4:44

in uh... montana you go out

4:46

as a twelve-year-old have legal problems

4:48

well he stole the family pickup

4:50

truck and smoked weed in it

4:52

yeah so he got he got

4:54

busted for it though by the

4:56

cops at twelve because they saw

4:59

smoke pouring out of the windows

5:01

but nobody's head above the steering

5:03

wheel so they were like what's

5:05

happening also he tried to jump

5:07

something probably which also yeah i'm

5:09

sure also you know gives it

5:11

away in a minute so evil

5:13

had him, I don't know if

5:15

he made a deal with the

5:17

judge or something, had him sent

5:19

to jail for three days. Jail,

5:21

jail. At 12, he gave him

5:23

his own scared straight program here,

5:25

which didn't work by the way,

5:27

never does with Robbie. So in

5:29

October of 75, they're talking about

5:31

him kind of making a return

5:33

to jumping, because at this point

5:35

basically he is not... He's basically

5:37

not He's not jumping every weekend

5:39

anymore. He's not doing any of

5:41

that kind of shit No, now

5:43

he's doing he has a lot

5:45

of business stuff coming in people

5:47

all over the world now are

5:49

just sending in massive amounts of

5:51

proposals to put his name on

5:53

something so some product So he

5:55

just goes through them and tries

5:57

to figure out what's a good

5:59

product? Which merch can I sell?

6:01

Which merch do I want to

6:03

put my name on basically? So

6:05

that's his main? like job now

6:07

is just kind of hanging out

6:09

and every once in a while

6:11

he's got to go do a

6:13

jump and you know go keep

6:15

his name out there but he's

6:17

also doing like they're doing celebrity

6:19

of him with Don Rickles and

6:22

shit. Yeah, he plays in all

6:24

the celebrity golf tournaments. So his

6:26

job now is like to be

6:28

a celebrity basically. Which we had

6:30

a real weird celebrity class in

6:32

the 70s where it was like

6:34

a bunch of kind of over

6:36

the hill. There's a lot of

6:38

like over-the-hill actors and musicians and

6:40

shit that just their job then

6:42

was just to be a celebrity.

6:44

Just hanging on. Yeah. Because the

6:46

talent's tough to do anymore. Yeah,

6:48

so they just, it's all over,

6:50

so now their job is to

6:52

show up on like, you know,

6:54

Hollywood squares and shit like that

6:56

and be a celebrity. So they're

6:58

talking a lot about this kind

7:00

of... you know, their thing with

7:02

him pretty soon here. And, you

7:04

know, ABC, he'll be done with.

7:06

Here's from the book. King's Island

7:08

had been opened for only three

7:10

years. Located 26 miles northeast of

7:12

Cincinnati in Mason, Ohio, the park

7:14

featured a one-third-sized replica of the

7:16

Eiffel Tower and a set of

7:18

fountains that matched the fountains at

7:20

Caesar's Palace. Okay, so after the

7:22

requisite trip to Butte and requisite

7:24

unorthodox negotiations, Cannevil handed $100 to

7:26

the waitress in the cocktail lounge

7:28

at the Warbonnet Hotel in Butte

7:30

and told her to give it

7:32

to a noisy man at a

7:34

nearby table if he promised to

7:36

just shut up for the next

7:38

hour. There's $100 shut your mouth.

7:40

Shut the fuck up. Yeah. Which

7:43

that reminds me of a story

7:45

I heard about Vince McMahon being

7:47

on a plane and being in

7:49

first class but in the smoking

7:51

section. And a guy was chain

7:53

smoking and he kept offering the

7:55

guy money to stop smoking and

7:57

he got up to like six

7:59

hundred dollars to stop smoking and

8:01

he got up to like six

8:03

hundred dollars to stop smoking and

8:05

the guy was like listen I

8:07

don't need your fucking money I

8:09

like cigarettes go fuck yourself I

8:11

paid for my seat I'm gonna

8:13

smoke smoke more. He started smoking

8:15

more. Fuck you so and the

8:17

guys are already in first class

8:19

he probably has a couple bucks

8:21

yeah doesn't need your money yeah

8:23

so they said that after all

8:25

of this the deal was done

8:27

the announcement of the jump was

8:29

made in the closing minutes of

8:31

an ABC special portrait of a

8:33

daredevil so Keneval came into town

8:35

two weeks before the jump his

8:37

approach here was entirely different from

8:39

his approach in London or at

8:41

the Snake River or for that

8:43

matter any place else he was

8:45

all business For the first time

8:47

in his career, possibly the first

8:49

time in his life, he brought

8:51

caution into his operation. The jump

8:53

over 14 Greyhounds scared him. He

8:55

resembled a normal everyday human being

8:57

considering this jump. Holy shit, this

8:59

was a long way. Yeah, it's

9:01

fucking long. There was a reason

9:04

for this caution. He decided this

9:06

would be the final long jump

9:08

of his career, the final attempt

9:10

for any kind of record. The

9:12

possible consequences for this one last

9:14

time suddenly were frightening. He didn't

9:16

want fate to nab him on

9:18

the way out the door. Right.

9:20

Yeah, now he's got money and

9:22

like all the celebrities, like I

9:24

don't want to be in a

9:26

fucking wheelchair. Yeah, I got places

9:28

to go, I got a party

9:30

to go to, you know, Frank

9:32

Sinatra's Atra's househouse House, this is

9:34

crazy. This is crazy. He said,

9:36

a guy told Cincinnati magazine, I'm

9:38

convinced that he was serious about

9:40

this being his last jump. He

9:42

was just too cautious, too nervous.

9:44

About half the time in his

9:46

practice jumps, he was coming down

9:48

on his front wheel instead of

9:50

the back. Practice jumps. That's how

9:52

serious this was. He didn't like

9:54

being banged up anymore, our friend

9:56

said. He really loved golf more

9:58

than anything. It killed him when

10:00

he was banged up and he

10:02

couldn't play. Yeah, that would probably

10:04

hurt a little bit. That's a

10:06

tough game to play if your

10:08

body isn't doing it. Oh, yeah,

10:10

if you're all f- if you

10:12

have a broken arm, you can't

10:14

golf. That doesn't work. Your backs

10:16

all fucked up. Yeah. Now a

10:18

number that was diminished by the

10:20

fact that 20,000 of the people

10:22

had simply paid four bucks more

10:24

than the basic eight dollar fee

10:27

to enter the park and ride

10:29

the rides So basically they got

10:31

in for four dollars to this.

10:33

Yeah So management had hope for

10:35

a much larger turnout. This area

10:37

was set up to hold 70,000

10:39

people. So it's like a fair,

10:41

you know, a county fair, whatever.

10:43

But the day was lousy, dark

10:45

and cold, intermittent rain, and the

10:47

jump was shown live on wide

10:49

world of sports. On the morning

10:51

of the jump, Con evil had

10:53

practiced again, something he never did.

10:55

He cleared ten buses this time,

10:57

fine tuning. Even as he took

10:59

the microphone to talk to the

11:01

crowd, moments before the actual jump,

11:03

he was still tuning. He asked

11:05

the King's Island crew to remove

11:07

the extra length of plywood ramp

11:09

they installed going out onto the

11:11

street through the hole where the

11:13

guard rail was removed. With the

11:15

threat of rain gone, he said,

11:17

I think it would be safer

11:19

without the plywood. He promised to

11:21

make the best and safest jump

11:23

of my life, and away he

11:25

went. One pass, two passes, three

11:27

passes, thumbs up, he came down

11:29

the adjusted ramp over the elevated

11:31

ramp, this part adjusted to half

11:33

the height of the buses because

11:35

it sat on flatbed trailers, then

11:37

the final ramp and into the

11:39

sky. For half a second, a

11:41

second, it looked as if he

11:43

might flip backward. The front end

11:45

of his, this time, was too

11:48

high, too high, an obvious overcompensation

11:50

for the crash in London when

11:52

the front wheel landed first. The

11:54

balance of the motorcycle is out

11:56

of whack. Backward seemed to be

11:58

the easier direction to travel, ass

12:00

over nearest T kettle. Then he

12:02

brought the front end down, but

12:04

not too much. The motorcycle landed

12:06

on the back wheel and on

12:08

the back wheel, in the back

12:10

wheel, in the back wheel, and

12:12

on the back wheel, and on

12:14

the back wheel, perfect. 52% of

12:16

all televisions in America were tuned

12:18

to wide world of sports when

12:20

he did this jump 52% of

12:22

the 10 you can't like nowadays

12:24

when we say old TV ratings

12:26

it's unfathomable if you're like a

12:28

younger person because now a big

12:30

rating is you know nothing the

12:32

highest rate show on TV like

12:34

a sitcom or an hour long

12:36

drama right now would have been

12:38

canceled immediately if they had those

12:40

ratings in the 70s immediately. Like

12:42

we're talking you know 30 40

12:44

50 million people would watch the

12:46

same fucking thing back then. 52%

12:48

of the people of the televisions

12:50

an estimated 55 million people watched

12:52

this. There's less than there's I

12:54

think less than 200 million people

12:56

in the country at this point.

12:58

So think about that how you

13:00

know a quarter of the country

13:02

live. Yep, in the middle of

13:04

a Saturday afternoon. This isn't even

13:06

like, you know, Tuesday night at

13:09

8 o'clock. Right. Saturday's people have

13:11

shit to do. They got shit

13:13

to do. They have little league

13:15

games and stuff. So this would

13:17

ultimately be the highest rated show,

13:19

22.3, in wide world's 45-year history

13:21

from 61 to 2006. So, yeah,

13:23

he does all of that, but

13:25

the business side of it isn't

13:27

very good. That's the problem. So...

13:29

uh... that's the issue now there

13:31

was some also some problem with

13:33

a television network i guess there

13:35

was a television stations a few

13:37

of them that were welcomed all

13:39

week to interview can evil show

13:41

the buses in the jump area

13:43

and you know whatever do whatever

13:45

promotional news story they wanted but

13:47

the day before the jump they

13:49

were all told they weren't gonna

13:51

be allowed to film the jump

13:53

you know because it's on abc

13:55

so So one WCPO TV, which

13:57

had filmed a practice jump, was

13:59

threatened with a lawsuit if they

14:01

used the film. And Cannival defended

14:03

this decision by offering to let

14:05

them or their network buy the

14:07

rights to his next jump. You

14:09

can pay for it, but I'm

14:11

not giving you shit for free.

14:13

Which is totally fine. Yeah. So

14:15

anyway, he's looking for every buck

14:17

he can. We'll say that much

14:19

anyway. So that's kind of what

14:21

he's doing right now. After this

14:23

King's Island Jump. He said that

14:25

was, he then, um, announced his

14:27

retirement again. But retirement too. Yeah.

14:29

Evil Bugaloo. This time though, he.

14:32

doesn't doesn't listen to that it

14:34

just sounds good at the end

14:36

of a jump and I'm sure

14:38

he never wanted to do it

14:40

again you know I mean you

14:42

probably look at your bank account

14:44

and you go all right I

14:46

don't have to do this again

14:48

but I may have to do

14:50

this again depending on keeping yeah

14:52

just to keep me in there

14:54

now he's the for the rest

14:56

of time though he'll never do

14:58

these giant 12 buses or 14

15:00

bus he's not doing that shit

15:02

again from now on it's shorter

15:04

jumps it's he knows he can

15:06

nail and it's basically you're there

15:08

just to see evil do something

15:10

you don't care if it's a

15:12

record or if he dies you

15:14

just want to see him drive

15:16

around his motorcycle. January 5th 1976

15:18

there's another article here like we

15:20

had in a couple one of

15:22

the other episodes from the Southern

15:24

Illinoisian newspaper children who follow daredevils

15:26

feats often wind up with serious

15:28

injuries again and there's a a

15:30

couple of stories here. Here is

15:32

one. Evil Kenevel's jump over 14

15:34

buses ended successfully, but Jerry Larson's

15:36

bus jump over five empty trash

15:38

cans didn't. After watching Kenevel's attempt

15:40

to jump 14 Greyhound buses, Jerry

15:42

Larson ate, took his high-rise handlebar

15:44

bicycle out to an empty lot

15:46

and tried jumping over five empty

15:48

garbage cans. Canevil landed on the

15:50

14th bus but made it down

15:53

off the ramp without injury. Jerry

15:55

fell off his bike, breaking his

15:57

arm and badly bruising the left

15:59

side of his body. The doctor,

16:01

who tended to him in the

16:03

emergency room, said, sometimes we see

16:05

kids come in with broken arms,

16:07

legs, separated shoulders, shattered jaws, crushed

16:09

ribs, all from playing evil. The

16:11

kids see him jump and then

16:13

they try the same thing on

16:15

their bikes. But what the kids

16:17

don't see are the hours of

16:19

practice measuring and the failures before

16:21

evil jumps. Really there's no way

16:23

to prevent these accidents as long

16:25

as carnival is glorified. So Representative

16:27

John Murphy of New York wrote

16:29

the Federal Communications Commission. asking them

16:31

to stop ABC's coverage of the

16:33

Kenevel jump. And then also wrote

16:35

directly to Kenevel asking him to

16:37

use his influence to soften the

16:39

television promotion of his recent jump.

16:41

Obviously that's not going to happen.

16:43

Jesus Christ, be kidding me. Not

16:45

at all. One of the people

16:47

here said I don't think there's

16:49

anything wrong with a kid wanting

16:51

to be evil-kenevel any more than

16:53

he'd want to be OJ Simpson

16:55

or any other kind of professional.

16:57

I would have to agree with

16:59

that. Wow, there's nothing more wrong.

17:01

No idea no There's nothing any

17:03

more wrong with wanting to be

17:05

evil than wanting to be OJ

17:07

Simpson I agree with that. Yeah,

17:09

about yeah Evil didn't kill anybody,

17:11

but he's a dick OJ's a

17:13

nice guy, but he might murder

17:16

you so it's you know, it

17:18

balances out This guy said, I'm

17:20

not saying that he should not

17:22

go out and jump or riding

17:24

a motorcycle without proper supervision. I'm

17:26

in a different position. As far

17:28

as jumping cars, I'm a professional

17:30

life risker," Canevil said. And there

17:32

are very few professional life riskers

17:34

in the world. However, there's a

17:36

lot of kids that identify with

17:38

me just riding motorcycles and not

17:40

jumping. I don't advise kids or

17:42

anybody else to jump cars, motorcycles,

17:44

buses, or canyons. It takes a

17:46

lot of experience and you have

17:48

to pay the price for success.

17:50

Yeah, something like that. So... Is

17:52

it breaking arms and shit? Yeah.

17:54

Well, they're talking about... This is

17:56

like a big push. you know

17:58

for the kids and all that

18:00

shit you know so the association

18:02

for children's television headquartered in boston

18:04

fought a long battle with abc

18:06

t.v. to take David Caradine's Kung

18:08

Fu off the air you know

18:10

it's not because it was terrible

18:12

either his most offensive things that's

18:14

what i be dude we have

18:16

OJ Caradine this article has no

18:18

idea how funny it's going to

18:20

be in 40 years. It just

18:22

doesn't. It couldn't possibly know how

18:24

funny it's going to be. You're

18:26

right. We shouldn't have, dude. He's

18:28

not a role model for kids.

18:30

No, not if we want them

18:32

to breathe. So the guy from

18:34

the network here said, children were

18:37

coming into hospitals with broken feet

18:39

and shattered hands and cracked elbows

18:41

after trying to break bricks and

18:43

boards and do other stunts they'd

18:45

seen on the show. Don't wrap

18:47

around their neck. Yeah, we found

18:49

him hanging in closets, blue in

18:51

the face, sticks in their hands.

18:53

Fish nets. Holy shit, the situation

18:55

in Thailand also. I think that's

18:57

where he was, right? Somewhere like

18:59

that. Some sex country, though, Thailand,

19:01

somewhere that you go to pay

19:03

for weird sex things. Yeah. That's

19:05

my thought. I'm pretty sure he

19:07

was in tight and out of

19:09

belt. It wasn't probably the worst

19:11

way to be found. Yeah, it

19:13

would have been even better if

19:15

he had his Kung Fu outfit

19:17

on. That would have been fucking

19:19

hilarious. That would have been, that

19:21

would have been very funny. I'd

19:23

rather be found with a needle

19:25

hanging out of my arm than

19:27

in that fashion. Oh, fuck, yeah.

19:29

I'd rather be found like Kurt

19:31

Cobain with my brain splattered on

19:33

the wall behind me and a

19:35

needle in my arm than fucking

19:37

this. This is horrible. This is

19:39

all about coming. Come is by

19:41

nearly dying and he died. Shit.

19:43

No shit. So they said the

19:45

situation with Kung Fu had become

19:47

so bad, the medical journals had

19:49

named it the Kung Fu Syndrome.

19:51

So we have an evil syndrome

19:53

and a Kung Fu Syndrome. Act

19:55

was successful in getting Kung Fu

19:58

off the air. Also, it got

20:00

cancer because the ratings were low.

20:02

That's what it was. Get it

20:04

off the air. Nothing to do

20:06

with the show. If the show

20:08

is great and watched, it would

20:10

still be on. It would be

20:12

on now. This year, ACT is

20:14

continuing to monitor television programs and

20:16

rate them in terms of violence

20:18

and aid. group acceptability. We haven't

20:20

come out with our good and

20:22

bad list yet, but when we

20:24

do, we hope that parents will

20:26

write the networks and try to

20:28

get the programs off the air,

20:30

or they could just tell their

20:32

kids not to watch it. This

20:34

wasn't like now where the kids

20:36

can watch it on their phone

20:38

and all that. There was one

20:40

TV in the house. You can

20:42

turn it to ever fucking channel

20:44

you want and say, you're not

20:46

watching Kung Fu, you idiot, you

20:48

broke your fucking hand last week.

20:50

Done. Be a parent. Stuff watching

20:52

Kung Fu and Evil Can Evil,

20:54

you've got a broken leg and

20:56

you've got a boxer's fracture. Yeah,

20:58

and then your kid didn't see

21:00

Evil Can Evil, but some other

21:02

kids saw it. Now he's going

21:04

to try to jump something, which

21:06

makes your kid want to try

21:08

to jump, but you can't, you

21:10

have to teach your kids not

21:12

to be morons. That's all you

21:14

can do, and then hope for

21:16

the best. So they're talking about

21:18

a letter or an article here

21:21

in the Fort Lauderdale News on

21:23

February 26th 1976 where it says

21:25

evil can evil has legal hurdle

21:27

to jump. Apparently an attorney representing

21:29

him appeared at City Hall to

21:31

accept an assault and battery warrant

21:33

for his client. Really? Yes, according

21:35

to Police Chief Edward Turner. Turner

21:37

said the warrant was sworn out

21:39

by William Krechmeyer, 31, of 4250

21:41

Galt Ocean Mile, as a result

21:43

of an early Tuesday morning scuffle

21:45

at the rooftop of Supper Club

21:47

at 3101 North Federal Highway. Kretsmar

21:49

last night said that evil can

21:51

expect a civil suit in excess

21:53

of $250,000 to accompany the assault

21:55

and battery charges. He said, I

21:57

signed all the papers on the

21:59

civil suit today at my attorney's

22:01

office. I expect that evil can

22:03

evil will be served with the

22:05

paper soon. So, according to police,

22:07

Keneville and Kretsmeyer were involved in

22:09

a fight in the restaurant at

22:11

2.49 AM. That's when evil's fighting.

22:13

That's when I can't wait till

22:15

we do the multi-part Billy Martin

22:17

episode. Yeah, because they basically say

22:19

that like they called him like

22:21

Cinderella because they were like at

22:23

midnight he turns into a fucking

22:25

monster though not a pumpkin a

22:27

fucking monster like if it's midnight

22:29

Billy's had he's in the sauce

22:31

too deep and you just want

22:33

to avoid him because he'll throw

22:35

a punch at you for no

22:37

reason shit like that I think

22:39

evil's in the same boat I

22:42

saw his ring is up for

22:44

sale 30 and Billy Martin's I

22:46

know I know it's so fucking

22:48

cool I love Billy Martin was

22:50

crazy I love Billy Martin was

22:52

crazy I'm not buying a 30

22:54

thousand dollar ring that's fucking a

22:56

new I don't know people that

22:58

do it. Although that wouldn't go

23:00

down in value, whereas a car

23:02

would. Oh, yeah. It would be

23:04

a good investment. Yeah, I guess

23:06

it's, and it's, it's fucking Billy

23:08

Martin, dude. He's crazy. So they

23:10

said, witness, well, evil was reportedly

23:12

signing autographs. The quote is, witnesses

23:14

told us that evil was signing

23:16

autographs when this man, Kretschmar, kept

23:18

harassing him about buying him a

23:20

drink. The witnesses said evil walked

23:22

away from the man, but later

23:24

pushed him when he persisted, said

23:26

Turner. Apparently this man lost his

23:28

balance after being pushed and struck

23:30

his head on a table. That

23:32

guy, though, Kretschmar, disputes this version.

23:34

He said he was walking by

23:36

Canevil's table when someone hit him.

23:38

He said, I didn't say a

23:40

word to the man can evil

23:42

and he had no intention of

23:44

doing so. I couldn't believe how

23:46

hard he hit me. Those rings

23:48

he wears might as well have

23:50

been brass knuckles. I received six

23:52

stitches in the nose and two

23:54

in the head from the single

23:56

blow. Police said evil was very

23:58

congenial to everyone when police arrived

24:00

at the scene. Kretsmar contends that

24:03

evil was not even in the

24:05

building when police arrived. That's even

24:07

bullshit PR. He said, Canevil came

24:09

to the Broward to Broward to

24:11

participate in the Jackie Gleason pro

24:13

celebrity golf tournament. And he could

24:15

not be reached for comment. He

24:17

also is doing a lot with

24:19

motorcycle helmet safety. Really? Absolutely. Yeah,

24:21

he's constantly encouraging all the kids

24:23

to wear helmets. You got to

24:25

wear a helmet kid. That's he

24:27

says it everywhere. I think he's

24:29

trying to sell a helmet, son.

24:31

I think he's trying to sell

24:33

a helmet, probably. I guess the

24:35

Bell Star helmet he used at

24:37

the Caesar's Palace jump is credited

24:39

for having saved his life after

24:41

he struck his head on the

24:43

ground. I mean, any helmet he

24:45

wore should be credited with that.

24:47

That's what I mean. He crashed

24:49

so many times. Canevil once offered

24:51

a cash reward for anyone witnessed

24:53

him. Remember the kid tried to...

24:55

Tried to fucking get that an

24:57

87 later on he'll end up

24:59

supporting a mandatory helmet bill in

25:01

the state of California as well

25:03

So yeah, he said that he

25:05

was the best walking commercial for

25:07

a helmet law Yeah, yeah, so

25:09

another article here about evil can

25:11

evil syndrome and kids getting hurt

25:13

and there's just all these doctors

25:15

Fucking talking about they suffered skin

25:17

lacerations broken bones loss of permanent

25:19

teeth. Yeah Serious injuries, like it's

25:21

a whole thing, and it's so

25:23

funny because I have to show

25:26

you this article because I have

25:28

the newspaper screenshot. Evil and evil

25:30

syndrome causes kids to get hurt,

25:32

and you see all this, we

25:34

feel that television programmers have acted

25:36

somewhat carelessly. Look at what is

25:38

right into it, right next to

25:40

it. Give blood for injured children.

25:42

So they now say there's an

25:44

article that's headlined, Riggs plans to

25:46

take evil for $100,000. So they

25:48

say that the world's number one

25:50

male chauvinist pig has a mother's

25:52

day promotion up his sleeve. And

25:54

after that, the happy hustler plans

25:56

to take evil and evil for

25:58

$100,000. Okay. So apparently he... Riggs

26:00

here, Bobby Riggs, revealed his plans

26:02

Wednesday night over a glass of

26:04

beer as he prepared for his

26:06

role as keynote speaker at the

26:08

Great Men of Sports Dinner. Later,

26:10

an all-male audience of more than

26:12

600, largest since the Kiwanis Club

26:14

began the Great Men series 13

26:16

years ago. Very exciting. Heard Riggs

26:18

excitedly describe in detail his two

26:20

world famous tennis matches with Margaret

26:22

Court and Billie Jean King. There's

26:24

a great tennis player named Margaret

26:26

Court. That's awesome. C-O-U? Like C-O-R,

26:28

yeah, C-O-U-R-T, court. That is cool

26:30

as fuck, man. That is like

26:32

a ball player named hoop. That's

26:34

dope. but court and that's just

26:36

good these matches enabled rigs to

26:38

introduce mixed sex tennis to the

26:40

world and tournaments into an instant

26:42

millionaire he claims to have made

26:44

one and a half million dollars

26:47

since the 73 series through endorsements

26:49

tennis and golf promotions and the

26:51

banquet trail and in all this

26:53

time he's carefully nursed his reputation

26:55

as a male chauvinist he says

26:57

evil wants to bet me a

26:59

hundred thousand dollars that I can't

27:01

ride a bicycle all the way

27:03

from New York to California Why

27:05

would you want to bet that?

27:07

It's a long way. That happens

27:09

all the time. Yeah, people, I

27:11

mean, Jesus Christ, yeah, Forrest Gump

27:13

did it for fuck's sake, on

27:15

foot. You ran it, but... On

27:17

foot, it's harder. People do it

27:19

on bicycles, fucking all the time.

27:21

On a bike, you can sit

27:23

and fucking cruise for a while.

27:25

You're even have to pedal for

27:27

a bit. He's giving me down

27:29

going. He's giving me two months

27:31

to do it. I figure I

27:33

can do it in six weeks.

27:35

I guess that wouldn't be the

27:37

first time he's hustled Kenevel. He

27:39

claims to have beaten Kenevel out

27:41

of $25,000 by riding a motorcycle

27:43

from Las Vegas to Twin Falls,

27:45

Idaho. Evil better me couldn't because

27:47

he didn't ride motorcycles. He's like

27:49

for 25 grand, I'll figure it

27:51

out. I'll just keep it off

27:53

and walk it there. We'll do

27:55

it that way for 25 grand

27:57

back then. Six weeks, James, that's

27:59

like a hundred miles a day,

28:01

isn't it? 500 miles a week

28:03

about? Because it's like a 3,000

28:05

mile trip. So 3,000 miles. ride

28:08

dude you got a really cruise

28:10

here is a cool ad in

28:12

the Memphis press scimitar newspaper from

28:14

may 2876 central hardware has the

28:16

deluxe AMF evil can evil bottle

28:18

motorcross bike it's a bicycle it's

28:20

a bicycle 20 inch sport bike

28:22

it has like evil can evil

28:24

number one and ek on the

28:26

seat I've seen these all over

28:28

the place on the internet like

28:30

people of yeah you're gonna land

28:32

your balls are gonna hurt otherwise

28:34

It's $74 and that is still

28:36

no suspension on that fucking no

28:38

still a rigid-ass frame Regular 90

28:40

bucks. It's called the most exciting

28:42

bike ever I don't know But

28:44

if the kids weren't encouraged to

28:46

jump their bikes anyway Yeah, now

28:48

you're giving them this and they're

28:50

like well this is made for

28:52

it evil said this is this

28:54

is jump rated here. They even

28:56

said it's built with many extra

28:58

safety features simulated rear shocks. That's

29:00

not real rear, rear shocks, that's

29:02

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uh, AMF, Evil Can Evil, 10

30:58

plus 10. It's a 10-speed bicycle.

31:01

Has nothing to do with Evil

31:03

Can evil. It's bad. At least

31:05

a regular 20-inch, you can kind

31:07

of feel like a motorcycle. That's

31:09

why people put cards in the

31:11

spokes and all that kind of

31:13

shit. A 10-speed... But the other

31:15

thing about a 20-inch, James, is

31:17

that it has one fucking speed.

31:19

You can only go so fast.

31:21

On a 10-speed, you can move

31:23

that thing. You can move that

31:25

thing. But on a 10-speed, you

31:27

can move that thing. You never

31:29

feel like evil, can evil hot

31:31

seat. It's a little three-wheeler here.

31:33

Oh yeah. Oh, but it's like

31:35

it's pretty cool it's not like

31:37

a hot wheels type deal it's

31:39

not like a big wheel it's

31:41

like got a real well it's

31:43

like a fucking chopper yeah it

31:45

looks cool as shit it's got

31:47

bad ass got raked out that

31:49

looks awesome I would have loved

31:52

to have that when I was

31:54

okay damn and then we were

31:56

only we were a few years

31:58

too late for this Jimmy if

32:00

we were if we were born

32:02

eight nine ten years we could

32:04

add that is probably five grand

32:06

now. There's a lot of them

32:08

out there too though. I'm sure

32:10

a lot of them are wrecked

32:12

or I don't know about the

32:14

hot seats. The regular bike. There's

32:16

a lot. Yeah I want that

32:18

too. That's dopous shit. We need

32:20

to put that in the studio.

32:22

So we need to do. I'm

32:24

going to see if... Hot seat

32:26

is for sale online right now?

32:28

Yeah, I'm sure they are. We'll

32:30

look at it after the show.

32:32

We'll look for hot seats. We'll

32:34

go shopping when we're done here.

32:36

June 11th 1976, by the way,

32:38

here, we have, this is very

32:41

strange, there's an ad below an

32:43

evil-con evil article for China House

32:45

restaurant. It says specializing in Canadian

32:47

and Chinese food. What's

32:49

Canadian food? Poutine? Is it Canadian

32:51

Chinese food? Is it Chinese food

32:53

made in Canada? Maple-flavored makes a

32:55

big, yeah, that's a big deal.

32:57

Not Canadian, Chinese food, Canadian and

32:59

Chinese food. So maple-flavored loamene? I

33:01

don't know what they have, but

33:03

I'm scared. So, okay, here we

33:05

go. This is around 1976. Here's

33:07

a crazy fucking story about evil,

33:09

and the evil. And the level

33:11

of... Ego and insanity and out

33:13

of control, I'm having whatever I

33:15

want right now, action. Here's from

33:17

the book, okay. The night was

33:19

still alive, even if the bars

33:21

in Fort Lauderdale were not. The

33:23

famous daredevil and a long-time friend

33:25

from Butte, Ron Phillips, had met

33:27

two women, and the famous daredevil

33:29

said they should move the party

33:31

to his lavish hotel lodgings at

33:33

the Bahia Mar Beach Resort. Sounds

33:35

great. This was a fine idea,

33:37

except the hotel thought the daredevil

33:39

had checked out. Some other well-heeled

33:41

visitor now occupied the lavish lodgings.

33:43

No rooms were available at all,

33:45

not even for evil. Oh. So,

33:47

his reaction to the news was

33:49

a surprise. There was no reaction.

33:51

He didn't get angry at all.

33:53

Mr. Cannival simply suggested everyone follow

33:55

me. Okay, there was a backup

33:57

plan. He had been thinking he

33:59

might buy a boat, you see,

34:01

and the Bahia Mar Beach Resort

34:03

was planted next to the inner

34:05

coastal waterway, and boats were docked

34:07

along the marina. Big boats, yachts,

34:09

and one of them surely would

34:11

be for sale because boats were

34:13

always for sale, evil said. It's

34:15

three o'clock in the morning, by

34:17

the way. We're going to buy

34:19

a boat right now. Sure enough,

34:21

the search party of two men

34:23

and two women found a yacht

34:25

that had a for sale sign

34:27

on the side. They said, Can

34:29

evil knocked on the door or

34:31

the hatch or whatever it was

34:33

called. The time roughly was three

34:35

o'clock in the morning. The owner

34:37

of the yacht appeared after a

34:39

long stretch of knocks. He was

34:41

not happy. Obviously, so the sleepy-eyed

34:43

owner named a price. Uh, I'll

34:45

buy it, the daredevil said. I'll

34:47

take it for that price. He

34:50

said, I won't argue about the

34:52

price, I'll pay you just what

34:54

you want with one condition. What

34:56

do you think that condition is,

34:58

Jimmy? Get off of it now.

35:00

The fuck off the boat right

35:02

now. Leave. Yep, he said, I'll

35:04

give you a check and you

35:06

get off the boat right now.

35:08

This guy's got his wife and

35:10

kids in there, by the way.

35:12

He's done. Just like that, the

35:14

owner took the check, woke up

35:16

his family, they gathered their belongings

35:18

and left like they were refugees

35:20

fleeing from an invasion. The daredevil

35:22

and Ron Phillips and the two

35:24

women settled in for the night.

35:26

The next morning, Bob, Philip said,

35:28

Bob decided we should take it

35:30

out for our first boat ride.

35:32

This was complicated by the fact

35:34

that the boat that he purchased

35:36

was an 87-foot broward yacht. It's

35:38

a giant boat. Fucking huge boat.

35:40

You can't just take that's not

35:42

a fishing boat. You can just

35:44

take out without a license. Yeah,

35:46

you need like a captain's license

35:48

for this shit. So only a

35:50

licensed captain would be able to

35:52

operate a yacht this size. So

35:54

I said, the daredevil found a

35:56

captain at the marina and the

35:58

party went out for a pleasant

36:00

day on the high seas. On

36:02

the way back a problem developed.

36:04

The captain steered the boat to

36:06

one side in the waterway and

36:08

stopped to make room for another

36:10

boat coming in the oncoming direction,

36:12

opposite direction. The daredevil was not

36:14

pleased. Just keep going the hell

36:16

with them. Now the captain. explains

36:18

the the number one rule on

36:20

the water is bigger boat right

36:22

of way period bigger boat as

36:24

the right away knows it matter

36:26

what the fuck anything else is

36:28

so they were explaining that to

36:30

him and he was like well

36:32

that's bullshit that's his uh This

36:34

is garbage here. What do I

36:36

do here? So he said the

36:38

boat, there's bigger ones? So he

36:40

said the next move was inevitable.

36:42

The daredevil went on to the

36:44

boat market in the succeeding days.

36:46

He discovered the availability of a

36:48

feed ship, which was 116 feet

36:50

long. That's crazy. Feed ships built

36:52

by First Export Association of Dutch

36:54

shipbuilders have been sold over the

36:56

years to people like Henry Ford

36:58

and Malcolm Forbes and you know.

37:00

Captains of industry and people like

37:02

that. This was one of the

37:04

biggest yachts in the world at

37:06

the time. Now they have 200

37:08

foot ones, now they're crazy. The

37:11

daredevil of course wanted the feed

37:13

ship. On the day the deal

37:15

was supposed to be completed, paper

37:17

sign, cash exchanged, Skip Van Lewin,

37:19

one of the long-ago motorcycle racers

37:21

at Ascot, a short-term member of

37:23

the Hollywood Motorcycle Dare Devils, was

37:25

Kenevel's guest in Fort Lauderdale. The

37:27

Daredevil had given him a state

37:29

room on the 87-foot boat, the

37:31

Broward. A painted wooden sign with

37:33

Van Lewin's name was even hung

37:35

in the state room door, just

37:37

a short sign of nautical stature.

37:39

The two men went together to

37:41

pick up the new boat. A

37:43

truly big boat. Van Lewin's head

37:45

was spinning. Some papers had to

37:47

be signed, but Bob has to

37:49

give this guy, the salesman, a

37:51

$635,000 check. Huge money. Bob writes

37:53

the check, this was a Saturday,

37:55

the salesman says the bank wasn't

37:57

open so he couldn't take the

37:59

check and the deal would have

38:01

to be put off till Monday.

38:03

What did he expect him to

38:05

come up with? Fucking a car,

38:07

a trunkful of cash? Why did

38:09

you make the appointment to do

38:11

it on a Saturday? What other

38:13

form of payment could you possibly

38:15

have expected from this guy? Fucking

38:17

pennies? What do you want? So

38:19

he said the daredevil did not

38:21

like this he steamed and stood

38:23

and took out his car keys

38:25

He hung them in front of

38:27

the boat salesman's face These are

38:29

the keys to my Bentley, which

38:31

is worth a hundred and sixty

38:33

five thousand dollars You hold on

38:35

to the keys until Monday if

38:37

the check doesn't go through you

38:39

keep the car. Oh, how's that?

38:41

So the boat salesman said all

38:43

right took the keys and evil

38:45

said quote now get the fuck

38:47

off my boat He

38:50

would call the feedship the evil

38:52

eye one and the 87 foot

38:54

Broward also would become the evil

38:56

eye one What he's like George

38:58

Foreman he names all his boat

39:00

the same thing He said even

39:03

Tony's a friend. I went with

39:05

two. Yeah, the Stugats too. Yeah,

39:07

and in rapid order an array

39:09

of service boats would be added

39:11

and an eventual evil can evil

39:13

armada of 13 evil eye ones

39:15

is You can't do that. That's

39:17

so many boats. The reason they

39:19

give them names is so they

39:22

can identify the fucking vessel if

39:24

it's... They're all mine. Don't worry

39:26

about it. They're mine. Just give

39:28

me... Just get it back. Finding

39:30

a place to put this many

39:32

boats became a problem. Right. Yeah,

39:34

so he bought a house. Yeah,

39:36

you have a battalion of boats.

39:39

You literally... There are... Most of

39:41

the countries in the world don't

39:43

have 13 boats in their navy.

39:45

Like there's 195 countries, there's probably

39:47

150 of them that don't have

39:49

13 votes in their whole navy

39:51

I bet. So I can't imagine,

39:53

you know, fucking, there's plenty of

39:56

these places. I can't have both.

39:58

Sri Lanka can't have a navy.

40:00

So yeah. Oh shit. So we

40:02

found a place at 2824 Northeast

40:04

28th Street in Fort Lauderdale on

40:06

the inner coastal waterway with 300

40:08

feet of docking space. 300 feet

40:11

of waterfront dockings. Yeah. He

40:13

not only was a boat owner,

40:15

he was one of the biggest

40:17

boat owners in the United States.

40:19

Yeah. Linda would come down to

40:21

Florida for a week, two weeks,

40:24

mostly without the kids. She and

40:26

her husband would go down the

40:28

inner coastal and the feed ship,

40:30

dock for a week in Miami,

40:32

then she would go back to

40:34

Butte. He never went to Butte

40:36

much these days, but when he did,

40:38

he went to his personal bank

40:40

vault. Okay. The vault was inside.

40:42

Dude, this is crazy. If you

40:44

wrote a movie about this guy,

40:46

you wouldn't believe it. That's... No,

40:48

he's not doing shit. No. That's

40:50

the thing. So it's inside an

40:52

office building he commissioned next to

40:54

the Met Tavern here across from

40:57

the Civic Center. The building was

40:59

substantial, a real office building with

41:01

a real office where his secretary,

41:03

Meg Meager, handled real business. The

41:05

vault was also substantial. Looked very

41:07

much like one of those places

41:09

Geneva would have robbed in the

41:11

old days. The door to the

41:13

vault had gold lettering that read

41:15

evil connival national bank, say, national

41:17

bank, savings, absolutely no loans. Money

41:19

was piled randomly on the floor.

41:21

He would tell his visitors they

41:23

were looking at over a million

41:25

dollars. He sometimes would bring people

41:27

into the vault so everybody could

41:29

throw money into the air and

41:31

sit underneath the shower of cash. He said

41:33

there were a lot of one dollar

41:35

bills in the vault. I'll bet. Yeah.

41:38

He said, I tell people there are

41:40

no withdrawals, no interest, all they get

41:42

is a wish of good luck for

41:44

me. This personality business was a full-time

41:46

job. Only once was their real talk

41:49

about actual investments, and even that didn't

41:51

last long. His friend said, we went

41:53

to New Orleans. There was a guy

41:55

who owned 33 racetracks. He wanted evil

41:57

to be involved in some housing complex.

42:00

with him. Evil brought in Leslie Nielsen.

42:02

Yes, that Leslie Nielsen, the actor, yes,

42:04

who had just, who fuck was about

42:06

to do airplane and be considered hilarious

42:08

after being a serious actor. We played

42:11

golf every day for a week. Leslie

42:13

Nielsen was my partner. Evil played with

42:15

the guy who owned the 33 racetracks.

42:17

I don't know how it all came

42:20

out. I think maybe the guy had

42:22

something to do with the mob. Yes,

42:24

in New Orleans owning 33 racetracks. Not

42:26

probably. Absa-a-a-fucking-loot-lutely. Guaranteed. So he's driving one

42:29

of the boats, a friend said. There's

42:31

a restaurant on the inner coastal, this

42:33

has nothing to do with this other

42:35

part, this is a separate thing, where

42:38

the owner had pissed him off for

42:40

some reason. Doesn't take much. There are

42:42

all these signs near the restaurant that

42:44

this is a no wake zone. There

42:46

are tables and chairs, people eating right

42:49

on the dock. This is lunch time.

42:51

Evil guns it. The water comes up

42:53

like a tsunami. It's a fucking giant

42:55

boat. This is crazy. knocks over tables

42:58

and chairs, dinners go flying, everyone gets

43:00

wet, he just keeps on going. Probably

43:02

with his finger up. So here's a

43:04

story from the book. D. Robinson, 33-year-old

43:07

college senior at the University of Maryland.

43:09

She was in the military for a

43:11

while, so got to college late. For

43:13

her final year, there was a partnership

43:16

program with the Art Institute in Fort

43:18

Lauderdale to study interior design in Florida.

43:20

So she read a story in a

43:22

newspaper about an upcoming comedy roast of

43:25

evil and evil at a Fort Lauderdale

43:27

disco. So she thought evil was pretty

43:29

cool because she always rode Harley's with

43:31

her dad and still rides a motorcycle

43:33

as her main form of transportation. So

43:36

she's like, he's pretty neat. So she

43:38

wanted to see him. So she was

43:40

supposed to study for a test the

43:42

next day, but she went instead to

43:45

this event. She said fucking it's evil,

43:47

so it was really packed and she

43:49

was in the back and couldn't see

43:51

anything so a bartender let her stand

43:54

on the bar so she could see.

43:56

Yeah. So the thing is halfway through

43:58

all this proceedings here, a guy comes

44:00

up to her and said he's Mr.

44:03

Kenevel's bodyguard and that Mr. Kenevel had

44:05

spotted her back here and would like

44:07

to invite her to a party in

44:09

the back of his yacht after the

44:12

roast. Think about you standing on that

44:14

bar is that he can see you

44:16

really well. You really stand out and

44:18

you know, he looked at you like

44:20

shopping. So yeah. She said he said

44:23

if you want to I will drive

44:25

you to the yacht, you know afterwards

44:27

So she said to herself I have

44:29

a test in the morning, but it's

44:32

evil can evil It's a chance to

44:34

meet evil and see his yacht. What

44:36

are the odds I got to do

44:38

that so? It's the 116 footer here

44:41

that they're on so The feed, the

44:43

feed ship, yeah. The night was amazing,

44:45

they say. Maybe 12 people had come

44:47

from the roast and Kenevel gave them

44:50

a tour and then everybody hung around

44:52

the deck and had drinks and hors

44:54

d'oeuvres. Robinson, single by herself, stayed in

44:56

the background until the bodyguard came up

44:59

again and said that evil would like

45:01

to talk to her in the pilot

45:03

house. If you'd leave your shirt here.

45:05

This is not going where you think

45:07

it's going, by the way. No? No,

45:10

that's the weird part. That's the weird

45:12

part. The meeting went fine. Robinson slipped

45:14

into the same gear. Somewhere in the

45:16

conversation, Evil asked her what she did

45:19

for a living. Not wanting to admit

45:21

she was still a college student because

45:23

her education was delayed by the time

45:25

in the military, she just skipped a

45:28

step and said she was an interior

45:30

designer. That's what she's going to be

45:32

next year. So, Canevil was delighted. He

45:34

started asking her questions about design and

45:37

her career path. She just made shit

45:39

up. Finally! She said, yeah,

45:41

she was like, yeah, and then you

45:43

walk down this hallway and my office

45:46

is there. So he finally whips out

45:48

his special evil can evil gold check

45:50

book thing and says here I want

45:52

to hire you as a designer I

45:55

want you to start working on my

45:57

yacht and he handed her a check.

45:59

She stared at the... It's a $10,000

46:02

down payment, he said. On her design,

46:04

she's like, holy. Yeah, on her? What

46:06

the fuck? Yeah, she's like, this is

46:09

crazy. So, Keneval only had two demands

46:11

for the renovation. Both involved the sleeping

46:13

quarters. The first was the bed had

46:15

to be at least seven feet wide,

46:18

large enough that he could comfortably fit

46:20

between three women on each side. It's

46:22

not big enough at all. 10 feet

46:25

at least. Well, I guess if they're

46:27

crammed in. The second was that a

46:29

secret compartment had to be built somewhere

46:32

close to the bed. So she said,

46:34

what will you put in the secret

46:36

compartment? Not wanting to the nosy. Exactly,

46:38

just for designing. He said, I'll need

46:41

room for a half gallon of wild

46:43

turkey. And for Bruno. She said, who

46:45

the fuck is Bruno? And he said,

46:48

my 357 magnum. Obviously. I keep my

46:50

booze next to my whiskey, don't you?

46:52

Isn't that where everyone keeps it? I

46:55

like to be fucked up, England guns.

46:57

That's what you want. Yeah, you want

46:59

those next to each other, so when

47:01

you're good and drunk, you have it

47:04

near you to really play with and

47:06

fire off. So she went back to

47:08

the art institute and did shitty on

47:11

the test but told her teachers that

47:13

I've got $10,000 like to do this

47:15

shit And they were all like that's

47:18

crazy and she said I can hire

47:20

a bunch of you guys the teachers

47:22

Yeah, so she said let me slide

47:24

on some shit and I'll hire you

47:27

guys basically so they were like okay

47:29

We'll get this job done cool. So

47:31

he took her all over he introduced

47:34

her to people as my interior designer

47:36

designer Yeah, she fit two queen matrices

47:38

the sleeping quarters for his Fuckin' orgy

47:41

bed. She created a secret place for

47:43

Bruno and the turkey. She had all

47:45

the carpets ripped out or placed with

47:47

patterns that included the initials EK in

47:50

them all over the place. She added

47:52

a life-size steel statue of Keneval on

47:54

a motorcycle. A helicopter landing pad for

47:57

special occasions, gotta have that. I mean,

47:59

I put that immediately. I moved into

48:01

my house, I was like, well, I

48:04

mean, I mean, Jimmy comes over and

48:06

he's gonna have to chop her in,

48:08

you know. You did the same for

48:10

me, obviously, we gotta chop her in.

48:13

So, because you never know, she's spending

48:15

tons of money. She put it this

48:17

way, and this is a very interesting

48:20

way to put it. He was like

48:22

the dog from Aesop's fables. The one

48:24

who sees his reflection. What he thinks

48:27

is another dog with another bone, a

48:29

bigger bone, he becomes jealous and begins

48:31

to bark. His bone slips out of

48:33

his mouth and goes into the water.

48:36

Instead of two bones, he has no

48:38

bone at all. That was evil in

48:40

his boats, she said. He was always

48:43

chasing the next thing that looked even

48:45

bigger and better. Chasing the illusion just

48:47

because he could. No, no, just fucking

48:50

going around. She said, one day he

48:52

came aboard the yacht with a cypress

48:54

clock that he'd been given at some

48:56

dinner. He liked the clock and wanted

48:59

to hang it. He said, where do

49:01

you think it should go? She said,

49:03

I don't know, everything is kind of

49:06

clogged up here. We don't really have

49:08

a space for it. It doesn't really

49:10

fit in with the design. He said,

49:13

I'll make it fit. You just got

49:15

a hammer and some nails and nailed

49:17

the clock into the ceiling of the

49:19

sleeping quarters there. I want to look

49:22

at it when I'm laying down. He

49:24

said, there. People will. So she said

49:26

anyway by the time I was finished

49:29

I had graduated from college and was

49:31

in business for myself I was an

49:33

interior decorator for yachts. I've gotten other

49:36

jobs from that job because he shows

49:38

that shit to everybody and if they

49:40

like it They're like oh, let me

49:42

get your card and that's how it

49:45

works So um 1976 July 8th 1976

49:47

they said here's an article that says

49:49

he talks bigger than Mohammed Ali he

49:52

wears more jewelry than Liberaci At 38,

49:54

he's the king of the daredevils. He

49:56

said, kids look up to me than,

49:59

more than anyone else in the world.

50:01

Sure, they respect all. but not everybody

50:03

wants to be a fighter. They all

50:05

want to jump motorcycles and cars. All

50:08

of them? I'd rather get punched in

50:10

the face. I'm not going to fall

50:12

from the sky at least. That's better.

50:15

At least only one bone gets broken

50:17

in the face. Yeah, that's much I

50:19

guess maybe because I've been in fights

50:22

but never jumped a motorcycle. Maybe that's

50:24

why I'm like well getting punched in

50:26

the face isn't that bad, but... Well

50:28

the thing is he doesn't jump bikes

50:31

that... are supposed to be jumped. No,

50:33

I don't want to jump that. No,

50:35

it's fucking crazy. He said, I tell

50:38

people I'm evil and evil, but I'm

50:40

not necessarily evil. I want to do

50:42

good with my life. Mostly I want

50:45

to reach kids and tell them the

50:47

dangers of narcotics. That's the biggest crusade

50:49

in my life. I say I would

50:51

do this picture, because now we're talking

50:54

about a movie. Only if I were

50:56

allowed to include the speech that I

50:58

gave at every place I appear. I

51:01

tell the kids that race car drivers

51:03

at Indianapolis sometimes put nitro in their

51:05

engines to give them an extra push,

51:08

but it only lasts four or five

51:10

laps, and then it ruins the cars.

51:12

The same thing with narcotics. Maybe it'll

51:14

give you a lift for four or

51:17

five years, but then the body's ruined.

51:19

I want to get that message across.

51:21

He said Easy Rider was an important

51:24

picture for motor cycling, but it blew

51:26

the narcotic stuff. It probably had more

51:28

to do with the popular zing-dope than

51:31

anything in recent years. A popularizing-dope. And

51:33

there's a newspaper. It's hard to see.

51:35

I was like zing-dope. What is that

51:37

coke? What are we talking about? Whether

51:40

fighting dope or promoting evil can evil,

51:42

he is a zealot. The article says

51:44

he's scornful of all of his film

51:47

biography that starred George Hamilton, arguing that

51:49

with sound logic that no one but

51:51

himself could adequately portray himself. I gotta

51:54

play me. So he's doing it these

51:56

days in Southern California on locations of

51:58

this movie, Viva Can Evil. Holy shit.

52:00

It is... It's made by the way

52:03

by the same people who made the

52:05

towering inferno that 70s move with OJ

52:07

in it. So they're producing it for

52:10

Warner Brothers. Evil himself wrote the original

52:12

story about dope smuggling and he is

52:14

surrounded by an impressive cast. Gene Kelly

52:17

read buttons, Marjo Gortner, Lauren Hutton is

52:19

in this. It's Marjoe in this article.

52:21

This is M-A-R-J-J-O-E, Marjoe. Yeah. Lauren Hutton

52:23

who is a big... Yeah. with the

52:26

gap in her teeth. Yeah. One day

52:28

the company was shooting in the San

52:30

Fernando Valley's exclusive Lakeside Country Club where

52:33

Kenevel recently joined already seems already he

52:35

seems to know all the members. Red

52:37

buttons playing the inevitable sidekick told Kenevel

52:40

told how Kenevel enlightened the filming. Kenevel

52:42

interrupted shooting one day to insist everyone

52:44

celebrate in his style by taking slugs

52:46

from his Berbin bottle. Everybody takes this

52:49

while in Turkey. Let's go. Crew people

52:51

and the director reluctantly agreed. T-todler buttons

52:53

refused. Canevil would not continue until buttons

52:56

drank. He doesn't drink. You're gonna ruin

52:58

your sobriety today, buttons. He's like an

53:00

old man at this point, too, red

53:03

buttons. I've got a problem, that's why

53:05

I stopped. Fuck, man. You have no

53:07

idea what happens when I do this.

53:09

I burned down a whole town one

53:12

time, dude. It's bad. My Christ, the

53:14

comedian finally swallowed a bourbon, a full

53:16

bourbon bottle to the horror of the

53:19

filmmakers. He staggered around the set until

53:21

the plot was revealed. The second bottle

53:23

was filled with tea. It was a

53:26

joke that he was doing with people.

53:28

Yeah. When the company broke for lunch,

53:30

the assistant director told Kenevel he had

53:32

45 minutes for lunch. Kenevel replied, quote,

53:35

look sunny. His name isn't sunny, by

53:37

the way. He's just calling him sunny.

53:39

Well look sunny I've been risking my

53:42

life for 10 years and I spent

53:44

three of those years in the hospital.

53:46

Nobody's going to tell me I got

53:49

45 minutes for lunch and he just

53:51

leaves. I'll be back when I'm back

53:53

essentially. So yeah he says there's an

53:55

article talking about this movie talking about

53:58

he can't stand waiting around. Most of

54:00

acting is waiting. Sure. They shoot you

54:02

for a few minutes then you go

54:05

sit somewhere while they reset everything which

54:07

takes an hour and a half and

54:09

they do all this shit in a

54:12

big Hollywood movie it takes even more

54:14

because there's even more shit and they

54:16

have stand-ins they have all this different

54:18

shit. Learn the rest of your lines.

54:21

It's fucking boring like you really got

54:23

to like doing drugs in a trailer

54:25

to do this like it's the only

54:28

way. Yeah, so he does all of

54:30

that, but he says that making movies

54:32

is at least easier than jumping. And

54:35

he says he's a natural actor as

54:37

well, too. He's just a natural actor.

54:39

He says, yeah. And Lauren Hutton, or

54:41

I'm sorry, the director, says evil hits

54:44

the screen like John Wayne, bigger than

54:46

life. He comes at you like this,

54:48

and he makes a cannonball gesture. So

54:51

I've seen this movie, by the way,

54:53

and we'll talk about it. Oh my

54:55

God, absolutely. It's on Tubi. It's free.

54:58

The Rift Trek's version of it, at

55:00

least, is on Tubi. So you can

55:02

watch, you can listen while Mike Nelson

55:04

and make fun of it, which is

55:07

the way to watch it, for sure.

55:09

So I guess he said at one

55:11

point, the second day of shooting, his

55:14

first line was I'm tired. I've been

55:16

all, I've been up all night. He

55:18

delivered the line about 8.30 a.m. Then

55:21

he confessed, I really was. Those actors

55:23

can fake that stuff. I stayed up

55:25

until 6 a.m. drinking tequila. That's my

55:27

method acting. Yeah. I'm really drunk and

55:30

hung over. I'm being me. Yeah. So

55:32

he said it's a movie that you

55:34

can, the whole family can see really.

55:37

That's what he's saying too. There's a

55:39

kid in it who... There's... It's so

55:41

weird. Okay. The best way to explain

55:44

this fucking movie. He's preparing for some

55:46

jump. Some jump, whatever. It's like it

55:48

looks like a little like a round

55:50

track Coliseum type place. It's got a

55:53

big jump coming up now. And the

55:55

opening scene is him busting into an

55:57

orphanage, by the way, at 2 o'clock

56:00

in the morning. rescuing children. Waking all

56:02

the kids up while the nuns are

56:04

like, wait, what are you doing evil?

56:07

No, no, you can't be doing that.

56:09

He's like, no, no, no, these kids

56:11

want to see me. Waking up rousing

56:13

all the kids and giving them evil

56:16

connival toys. So he's even, the opening

56:18

scene is like, look, I gotta show

56:20

my toys and give a speech about

56:23

our drugs or bad. And that's what

56:25

he does. And then the rest of

56:27

the movie. is his assistant. I don't

56:30

know if it's red buttons or a

56:32

different guy, because I can't remember, but

56:34

this guy has a son that he

56:36

never has seen, apparently. And the kid

56:39

just gets dropped off with him at

56:41

the motorcycle racetrack, and it's like, now

56:43

he's yours. So the kid doesn't know

56:46

his dad, he doesn't know anything, and

56:48

he's just sitting around this racetrack, and

56:50

so evil takes him under his wing,

56:53

of course. teaches him that his dad's

56:55

a good guy but you know things

56:57

happen and it's the fucking wildest plot

56:59

at one point people are trying to

57:02

sabotage his jumps so like they bust

57:04

into his trailer like knock him over

57:06

the head and steal his motorcycle it's

57:09

fucking wild dude it's such a terrible

57:11

movie it's six-pack remember that movie yeah

57:13

that's exactly it's so bad just with

57:16

one kid at a time one kid

57:18

So Evil says, if I had to

57:20

do this for a living, I couldn't

57:22

make it more than once every two

57:25

or three years. I can't stand all

57:27

this waiting around. I'm a man of

57:29

action. Right. And by the way, he's

57:32

not a good actor. No. He's not

57:34

a good actor. And he's playing himself.

57:36

Yeah. So now he's being sued here.

57:39

This is a big deal. He's being

57:41

sued for $1.1 million in September of

57:43

76. By a cameraman who claims he

57:45

was assaulted him assaulted him with a

57:48

cane. Oh, that seems to be his

57:50

thing too. That's, that's, that all checks

57:52

out. He said, Cannevil shoved a heavy

57:55

television camera into his face and struck

57:57

the upper part of his body with

57:59

a cane. This is at the, we

58:02

described this incident at the Snake River.

58:04

It's just catching up to him two

58:06

years later. now. So next up he's

58:08

gonna jump in Worcester in Massachusetts. So

58:11

he's gonna do that. Here's from the

58:13

book about the 76th October 11th 1976

58:15

jump. He finally jumped again in Worcester

58:18

Massachusetts of all places on October 11th.

58:20

It was finally jumped again in Worcester

58:22

Massachusetts of all places on October 11th.

58:25

It was almost a year after the

58:27

King's Island jump and it was only

58:29

his third jump in the last two

58:31

years since Snake River. cautious schedule. He

58:34

was scheduled to jump 13 new halls

58:36

in Worcester, 10 greyhound buses per night

58:38

in Seattle. His younger son Robbie now,

58:41

14, would make his jumping debut in

58:43

Worcester. From the beginning of it for

58:45

him. From the beginning, Robbie was the

58:48

one who had wanted the daredevil life,

58:50

the one who had that gene that

58:52

made him challenge anything or anyone in

58:54

his path, the one that makes you

58:57

steal trucks and smoke weed in your

58:59

12, you know, that gene. Yeah, the

59:01

stupid gene. Yeah, the gene his father

59:04

had, it goes on to say, exactly.

59:06

They had rubbed against each other from

59:08

the start. That sounds gross. Father and

59:11

son. Ew. Rubbing together. Rubbing together. Collided,

59:13

essentially because they were the same headstrong

59:15

obstinate character. The people in Butte who

59:17

saw Robbie cutting up mainly said, quote,

59:20

uh-huh, that's just what he deserves. He

59:22

deserves a kid who does this just

59:24

like him. Robbie had been on stage

59:27

before at both the Toronto and King's

59:29

Island doing wheelies, but this would be

59:31

his first jump over anything. The hurdle

59:34

of choice was four of those U-Haul

59:36

trucks. That's still a pretty god damn

59:38

good jump. I wouldn't do that. That's

59:40

not an easy jump. That's not an

59:43

easy jump. No, his father had talked

59:45

for years about how he didn't want

59:47

his sons to follow in his career

59:50

path, but now he didn't seem to

59:52

mind. of shit. Kelly Cannevil. At this

59:54

time, this was evil's negotiation tactics, by

59:57

the way. The promoters would come in

59:59

with their contracts drawn up by lawyers.

1:00:01

evil would let them talk explain everything

1:00:03

go over the contract then he would

1:00:06

turn his copy of the contract over

1:00:08

and he would list one two three

1:00:10

and he would write up front percentage

1:00:13

guarantee he said that's my contract let's

1:00:15

start with number let's start with number

1:00:17

one that would be in cash right

1:00:20

now In the early

1:00:22

hours of December 4th, 2024, CEO Brian

1:00:24

Thompson stepped out onto the streets of

1:00:26

Midtown Manhattan. This assailant pulls out a

1:00:29

weapon and starts firing at him. We're

1:00:31

talking about the CEO of the biggest

1:00:33

private health insurance corporation in the world.

1:00:36

And the suspect, he has been identified

1:00:38

as Luigi Nicholas Mangioni, became one of

1:00:40

the most divisive figures in modern criminal

1:00:42

history. I was targeted, premeditated, and meant

1:00:45

to so terror. I'm Jesse Weber, host

1:00:47

of Luigi, produced by Law and Crime

1:00:49

and Twist. This is more than a

1:00:52

true crime investigation. We explore a uniquely

1:00:54

American moment that could change the country

1:00:56

forever. He's awoken the people to a

1:00:59

true issue. Finally, maybe this would lead

1:01:01

rich and powerful people to acknowledge the

1:01:03

barbaric nature of our health care system.

1:01:06

Listen to Law and Crimes Luigi exclusively

1:01:08

on Wondery Plus. You can join Wondery

1:01:10

Plus in the Wondery app, Spotify, or

1:01:13

Apple Podcasts. In the early hours of

1:01:15

December 4th, 2024, CEO Brian Thompson stepped

1:01:17

out onto the streets of Midtown Manhattan.

1:01:19

This assailant starts firing at him. and

1:01:22

the suspect. He has been identified as

1:01:24

Luigi Nicholas Mangioni became one of the

1:01:26

most divisive figures in modern criminal history.

1:01:29

I was mid to so terror. He's

1:01:31

invoking the people to a true issue.

1:01:33

Listen to Law and Crimes Luigi exclusively

1:01:36

on Wondery Plus. You can join Wondery

1:01:38

Plus in the Wondery app, Spotify, or

1:01:40

Apple Podcasts. In the early hours of

1:01:43

December 4th, 2024, CEO Brian Thompson stepped

1:01:45

out onto the streets of Midtown Manhattan.

1:01:47

and starts firing at him. And the

1:01:50

suspect, he has been identified as Luigi

1:01:52

Nicholas Mangioni, became one of the most

1:01:54

divisive figures in modern criminal history. I

1:01:57

was meant to sow terror. He's invoking

1:01:59

the people to a true issue. Listen

1:02:01

to law and crimes, Luigi, exclusively on

1:02:03

Wonderie Plus, and the Wonderie app, Spotify,

1:02:06

or Apple podcasts. That's one, two and

1:02:08

three. The rest of the shit I

1:02:10

don't care about. We'll get one out

1:02:13

of the way, because if that number

1:02:15

doesn't match, I'm leaving, I'm leaving anyway.

1:02:17

That's all it. That's all it. So

1:02:20

the Worcester contract and Worcester show were

1:02:22

weird from the beginning they said. The

1:02:24

promoter Abe Ford, this is amazing by

1:02:27

the way, was an old-time wrestling guy

1:02:29

from Boston. So you know he's full

1:02:31

of shit. An old-time wrestling promoter, the

1:02:34

biggest scammers in the world. After putting,

1:02:36

he was talking about putting on a

1:02:38

show in Foxborough at Schaefer Stadium where

1:02:40

the Patriots played at the time. That

1:02:43

stadium that seated 60,000 people, it would

1:02:45

be a big-time event, but the deal

1:02:47

with the stadium fell apart. So Abe

1:02:50

Ford convinced Conival to go to Fittenfield,

1:02:52

which was where Holy Cross played college

1:02:54

football and had an old-time wooden grandstand

1:02:57

that seated about 20,000 people. So it

1:02:59

became a less big-time event at that

1:03:01

point. Still a lot of people, but

1:03:04

Ford said he had to stage some

1:03:06

kind of show somewhere to recruit the

1:03:08

money that he had put into the

1:03:11

potential Foxborough show. Conneville agrees. He's supposed

1:03:13

to jump 13 U-Haul trucks on Saturday,

1:03:15

but the show was rained out and

1:03:18

postponed to a Monday afternoon, but it

1:03:20

was Columbus Day. So... The weather was

1:03:22

fine on Monday, but the new Connevel

1:03:24

brought out his new worries. The invincibility

1:03:27

definitely was gone. He looked at the

1:03:29

football field, a diagonal path set up

1:03:31

to give him the most speed going

1:03:34

into the jump, and he looked at

1:03:36

the 13 U-Haul trucks, and he pulled

1:03:38

three of them out of them out

1:03:41

of the line. Before he just be

1:03:43

like well, fuck it. I gotta do

1:03:45

it now. He's like I'm not crashing

1:03:48

get that out of there The 95-foot

1:03:50

jump became a 75-foot jump He mentioned

1:03:52

the rainy weather or not enough room

1:03:55

to get up to speed even with

1:03:57

the diagonal as his reasons. Even then

1:03:59

he did a series of practice jumps,

1:04:01

two jumps over four trucks, three more

1:04:04

over seven trucks before he successfully jumped

1:04:06

the ten trucks. Robbie did land the

1:04:08

four truck one by the way. The

1:04:11

crowd was only 9,000 people and the

1:04:13

receipts at the end had disappeared. They

1:04:15

skipped evil got scanned for once. Who

1:04:18

could possibly scam evil wrestling people? Those

1:04:20

are the only people. And maybe if

1:04:22

he had like a stand-up comedy show,

1:04:25

that guy could have ran away with

1:04:27

his money. The only other people who

1:04:29

could be more insidious than evil would

1:04:32

be comedy or wrestling promoters. One of

1:04:34

the two. Holy shit. So since the

1:04:36

show was in the afternoon, evil had

1:04:39

time to go to Boston to search

1:04:41

for Abe Ford. Did he find him?

1:04:43

He's going to hunt him. He said

1:04:45

he screwed him out of 20,000 to

1:04:48

30,000 dollars and you don't screw evil

1:04:50

at a 20,000 to 30,000 dollars. Luckily

1:04:52

for Ford and probably for evil, the

1:04:55

search was fruitless, obviously. His friend said

1:04:57

he had that second cane, you know,

1:04:59

the one that was really just a

1:05:02

lead pipe disguised as a cane and

1:05:04

he was not afraid to use it.

1:05:06

for an evil-cannival King Radio, evil-cannival wheelie

1:05:09

contest. Oh? They're searching the greater Seattle

1:05:11

area for a wheelie champion. So, yeah.

1:05:13

To ride against evil? No, no, just

1:05:16

to see how far you can go.

1:05:18

The prizes are an evil-cannival AMF bicycle

1:05:20

to three qualifiers, evil-cannival ideal toys, so

1:05:22

you could try to almost break your

1:05:25

neck and we'll give you a $4

1:05:27

toy. Tickets to the evil can evil

1:05:29

spectacular and evil posters as well. So

1:05:32

there you go. And he's also the

1:05:34

sky cycle from the Snake River. It's

1:05:36

touring malls without him, just making him

1:05:39

money. Just wandering it around. Yep, it's

1:05:41

just touring. That's it. And then also,

1:05:43

this is very funny. There's an article

1:05:46

or an ad under it that says,

1:05:48

life is for the living. I can

1:05:50

teach you the social dances easily. Call

1:05:53

Pam. And here's just, there's Pam. There

1:05:55

she is. Hi. I'm Pam. I can

1:05:57

teach you. That's it. That's the whole

1:05:59

article or the whole ad. October 2876

1:06:02

here. Evil goes to Seattle to do

1:06:04

his bullshit there and you know tickets

1:06:06

are $8 and $6. This will not

1:06:09

be on television here. The wide world

1:06:11

of sports announced last Saturday while profiling

1:06:13

the famous motorcycle stuntman that his jumps

1:06:16

in Seattle would be telenational net. nationally

1:06:18

televised as part of the show. However,

1:06:20

contract agreements between the promoters of the

1:06:23

event and the kingdom and ABC network

1:06:25

apparently all got fucked up. They said

1:06:27

there's no current plans to allow the

1:06:30

evil and evil portion of wide world

1:06:32

of sports to be televised at a

1:06:34

later date in Seattle. Oh, it's a

1:06:37

blackout situation. They're not playing it there.

1:06:39

There's a blackout so they can sell

1:06:41

more tickets. So he jumps on October

1:06:43

30th at the King Dome. He only

1:06:46

jumped seven buses. when he said he

1:06:48

was going to jump 10. But the

1:06:50

crowd didn't give a shit. They don't

1:06:53

know. It looked hard to them probably.

1:06:55

They were happy to see him. They

1:06:57

can't do it. But he still apologized

1:07:00

to the crowd that he only did

1:07:02

that. So it says, as showbiz, evil's

1:07:04

a flop. That's a headline in the

1:07:07

Daily Herald here. The evil can evil

1:07:09

thrill spectacular unfolded Friday night in the

1:07:11

kingdom without killing anyone. But that's not

1:07:14

to say the show itself was an

1:07:16

immortal danger from the beginning. A crowd

1:07:18

generously estimated at 15,675 and about 45,000

1:07:20

empty seats watched the connival debacle here

1:07:23

apparently. So that's not good, obviously. And

1:07:25

then they said also he pulled the

1:07:27

fucking buses out. He said he apologized

1:07:30

and said I didn't really do it

1:07:32

right even I make mistakes. So he

1:07:34

announced his retirement obviously again and yeah

1:07:37

so 1975 he paid a hundred and

1:07:39

sixty five thousand in federal income taxes

1:07:41

last week he was notified he owes

1:07:44

three hundred seventy thousand dollars more. Oh

1:07:46

yeah I didn't think evil was paying

1:07:48

his taxes properly. And it costs a

1:07:51

lot of money for evil can evil

1:07:53

to maintain himself in the matter to

1:07:55

which he is a custom. With his

1:07:58

stable of Ferraris and Cadillac, a yacht,

1:08:00

a jet, diamond rings big enough to

1:08:02

make your eyes pop. Prior to the

1:08:04

evening's climax, the audience watched about two

1:08:07

hours of stunt work by lesser-known daredevils.

1:08:09

That included a group who took new

1:08:11

1977 cars over ramps to make them

1:08:14

balance on two wheels while traveling the

1:08:16

length of the stadium floor. A little

1:08:18

two-wheel daily there. There's also a couple

1:08:21

of crashes of old cars into other

1:08:23

old cars. Perhaps the most exciting event

1:08:25

of the night was performed by a

1:08:28

young man from Kettle Falls Washington named

1:08:30

Terry Brawner who wrote a snowmobile over...

1:08:32

over five parked Honda cars parked side

1:08:35

by side. He cleared the cars with

1:08:37

room to spare, but then it almost

1:08:39

seemed as if he had forgotten to

1:08:41

think of a way to stop after

1:08:44

the jump. He bailed off his machine

1:08:46

a moment before it slammed into one

1:08:48

of Kenevel's parked vans in a crash

1:08:51

that could have easily taken his head

1:08:53

off. Also, Robbie Kenevel performed some wheelies

1:08:55

and then made jumps over five parked

1:08:58

Honda's. So that's how that went. So

1:09:00

they say. Here's the kingdom, from the

1:09:02

book. He looked at the 10 buses

1:09:05

in the kingdom, looked at the ramp,

1:09:07

and pulled three of the buses out

1:09:09

of the line. He jumped seven both

1:09:12

days, the second day live on wide

1:09:14

world of sports. His shit, except not

1:09:16

in Seattle, as we found out. His

1:09:19

shoulder hurt after the second jump, and

1:09:21

he went to the hospital where he

1:09:23

was released with no more than a

1:09:25

shoulder strain. Now he's getting paranoid, see

1:09:28

what I mean? Oh, my hurt. The

1:09:30

performance turned out to be his final

1:09:32

jump on wide world. He'd been a

1:09:35

part of 17 of the show's telecasts

1:09:37

in 10 years. Wow. He was seen

1:09:39

as an ABC attraction as much as

1:09:42

Fonzi or Barney Miller or Robert Blake

1:09:44

as Beretta. Yeah, no shit. He had

1:09:46

helped bring the... 17 episodes. That's huge.

1:09:49

He helped bring the network back to

1:09:51

life. ABC was dying when he came

1:09:53

when they got him. That's why one

1:09:56

of the reasons why they said let's

1:09:58

show him because maybe that'll help. They

1:10:00

said the network had given him life,

1:10:02

it had been the great arrangement. He

1:10:05

had ABC President Roon Arlage's private phone

1:10:07

number and would use it all the

1:10:09

time. He would have an argument about

1:10:12

sports with somebody, you know, pre- google.

1:10:14

And he would just say, I'll call

1:10:16

Roon Arlage, he'll know. I'll call the

1:10:19

president of ABC Sports, he'll know. He'll

1:10:21

know, at three, yeah, exactly, three o'clock

1:10:23

in the morning. So, so they said

1:10:26

that basically, ABC executives pretty much agreed

1:10:28

that. The jumps were over. He said,

1:10:30

I think there was an overall feeling

1:10:33

that it was done. What else was

1:10:35

there to do? Yes, eventually things like

1:10:37

that run their course, especially when it's

1:10:40

like, I don't know, man, how many

1:10:42

of these can you jump? And you're

1:10:44

pulling them out. You were going bigger,

1:10:46

now you're going smaller. Exactly. It's time.

1:10:49

It's time. So, yeah, he talks all

1:10:51

about how he's trying to, I guess

1:10:53

he wants to gift kids, a bunch

1:10:56

of toys, but they're his toys He

1:10:58

said, I was crazy about those, talked

1:11:00

about Raggedy Ann and Raggedy Andy dolls

1:11:03

that he got when he was six.

1:11:05

And he said, I was crazy about

1:11:07

those two dollars, played with them for

1:11:10

a long time. Like most little boys,

1:11:12

I got a lot of trucks and

1:11:14

cars for Christmas, never really felt deprived.

1:11:17

I really got everything I wanted, except

1:11:19

when I was 10 years old, I

1:11:21

really wanted a new Black Phantom bicycle.

1:11:23

It did not work out though. Besides

1:11:26

the new bicycles that bare my name,

1:11:28

look a lot better than the Black

1:11:30

Phantom. So yeah, he said it's a

1:11:33

good thing there were no evil and

1:11:35

evil toys when I was a kid

1:11:37

or I would have gone nuts trying

1:11:40

to get them So he's just doing

1:11:42

articles advertising his shit Then he also

1:11:44

they talked about him spending money and

1:11:47

he says money is for spending. If

1:11:49

God had wanted you to save it,

1:11:51

he would have put handles on it

1:11:54

so you could carry it around like

1:11:56

a suitcase. All right, interesting here. God

1:11:58

didn't, what? He didn't put a handle

1:12:00

on my, yeah, exactly, that's, Evil's, Evil's

1:12:03

analogies are all fucked up, man. Very

1:12:05

precarious. So they're talking all about his

1:12:07

movie that's coming out and everything. Okay,

1:12:10

now, we'll talk about this show because

1:12:12

it's crazy. Apparently, CBS picked up on

1:12:14

him. CBS was like, we'll take him,

1:12:17

we'll put a shit on TV. So

1:12:19

the show was called Evil Canevil's Death

1:12:21

Defifiers, and the date of the broadcast

1:12:24

was supposed to be January 31st, 1977,

1:12:26

on Monday night, just after Monday night,

1:12:28

football's over. Another sports show, it makes

1:12:31

sense, from 8.30 to 10 o'clock on

1:12:33

the East Coast. It was his first

1:12:35

jump on primetime television. All those wide

1:12:38

roll of sports is 2 o'clock in

1:12:40

the afternoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is

1:12:42

the real deal now, prime time. A

1:12:44

number of daredevils were scheduled to perform

1:12:47

their death-defying feats. Canevil would finish the

1:12:49

night by attempting to jump over the

1:12:51

world's largest indoor saltwater pool, which would

1:12:54

be filled with man-eating killer sharks, according

1:12:56

to a press release. Of course they

1:12:58

wouldn't. They're talking about how man-eating sharks

1:13:01

had been the American demon of choice

1:13:03

for the past three years Since the

1:13:05

book Jaws came out in 1974 and

1:13:08

was a best-seller for like two straight

1:13:10

years So then the movie came out

1:13:12

and all that shit obviously Jaws was

1:13:15

a big deal killer sharks were everywhere.

1:13:17

It's all anybody was talking about Man-eating

1:13:19

killer sharks The Kenevel jump was a

1:13:21

heavy-handed attempt to carve out a slice

1:13:24

of this public fascination. A commercial scheduled

1:13:26

to run in the days preceding the

1:13:28

telecaste would paint a picture of the

1:13:31

battle between the fearsome sharks and the

1:13:33

familiar daredevil in his white leathers. The

1:13:35

announcer would describe Kenevel's leap and the

1:13:38

trouble that lurked below and warned that

1:13:40

if he doesn't make it, water wings

1:13:42

won't help him. Because he's floating, it

1:13:45

just looks like a seal. This is

1:13:47

gonna be dead. So the attempt would

1:13:49

take place at the old Chicago Amphitheater.

1:13:52

So that's where it's going down here.

1:13:54

There's a producer, the independent producer would

1:13:56

be Marty Posetta Productions credited with six

1:13:59

Oscar Award telecast, seven Grammy telecasts, plus

1:14:01

the Elvis Presley comeback special Aloha from

1:14:03

Hawaii. which played to the largest worldwide

1:14:05

television audience in history. So he's done

1:14:08

some of these before this guy. The

1:14:10

hosts of this event would be Telly

1:14:12

Savalas, who was co-jack, bald guy with

1:14:15

a lollipop if you don't know. And

1:14:17

the act, yeah. Speaking, he's such an

1:14:19

icon then. Yeah, oh God, he was

1:14:22

huge. And Jill Saint John, who was

1:14:24

famous as playing James Bond's girlfriend in

1:14:26

the movie Diamond or Forever. Posetta himself

1:14:29

would be the executive producer Michael Seligman,

1:14:31

a rising star in this specials business,

1:14:33

would be the producer. The show would

1:14:36

have that mashed together television buzz of

1:14:38

an award show, a half-time at the

1:14:40

Rose Bowl, a true made for TV

1:14:42

event. He said the ratings are going

1:14:45

to be huge, there's going to be

1:14:47

sequels, this is going to be awesome.

1:14:49

Then they decided, then they figured out

1:14:52

it's not going to be so awesome

1:14:54

when they started dealing with evil. Well,

1:14:56

Sealigman was the first to realize that

1:14:59

this could be a disaster. He went

1:15:01

to visit Cannevil a few weeks before

1:15:03

the jump in Fort Lauderdale. The two

1:15:06

men had met once before in Los

1:15:08

Angeles at Dino's Lodge, a bar owned

1:15:10

by Dean Martin, on Sunset Boulevard here.

1:15:13

So what happened that night, it's, I

1:15:15

guess it was the... The front of

1:15:17

the bar was the site for the

1:15:20

opening credits of a TV show called

1:15:22

77 Sunset Strip, which aired for like

1:15:24

seven years. So I was on for

1:15:26

a long time in the late 50s,

1:15:29

early 60s. Building, the bar is built

1:15:31

on the side of a hill. The

1:15:33

entrance is at street level, but the

1:15:36

back of the building dropped two flights

1:15:38

lower. Right. So that was why Kenevel

1:15:40

dared Sealigman to jump out of the

1:15:43

back window Because it's low back there

1:15:45

No, it's you don't know how far

1:15:47

it is back there. It's a drop

1:15:50

of unknown proportion So he just walked

1:15:52

in the front door and he's like

1:15:54

just jump off the jump jump up

1:15:57

the back door. Yep. So the first

1:15:59

it was the first night they met

1:16:01

he said they were just talking having

1:16:03

a cocktail and he said evil said

1:16:06

jump do it now go ahead go

1:16:08

ahead go So they said, well, there's

1:16:10

no, you don't know how far that

1:16:13

is down. I don't know where it's

1:16:15

dark. What the fuck are you talking

1:16:17

about? And who knows what's going to

1:16:20

be down there? A big rock sticking

1:16:22

into my taint? Anything can happen. So

1:16:24

evil said, you should do it. If

1:16:27

you're going to work with daredevils, you

1:16:29

should be a daredevil yourself. And Sealegman

1:16:31

said, quote, I'm a Jew's don't jump

1:16:34

out of windows. We hire our daredevils.

1:16:36

Yeah. You're my Jew. Am I? Yeah.

1:16:38

Since I'm hiring you, he said, so,

1:16:41

Keneval laughed, they laughed, everybody got along,

1:16:43

everything's fine. I'm a Jew, all right.

1:16:45

How much Jew? I hire my daredevils.

1:16:47

Keneville suggested that this man's soon-to-be daughter,

1:16:50

who was going to be born, should

1:16:52

be called Evelet. What? Yeah, you should

1:16:54

call the Evelet. So, now the producer

1:16:57

had to visit the Daredevil in Florida

1:16:59

to work out the details of the

1:17:01

telecast. The evil I won. The big

1:17:04

one. Which one? The big one. His

1:17:06

parents lived in Fort Lauderdale, so he

1:17:08

could have stayed with them, but he

1:17:11

said, eh, can evil invited me, fuck

1:17:13

it. I'll go stay with evil. So

1:17:15

he and his parents went out to

1:17:18

a large dinner with evil and his

1:17:20

family, and then he could go back

1:17:22

to the yacht with evil. Sealingman said,

1:17:24

quote, the dinner was fine. Nothing was

1:17:27

out of the ordinary. Then we got

1:17:29

back to the boat. This is horrifying,

1:17:31

by the he'd been drinking. I went

1:17:34

to bed and he started beating up

1:17:36

his wife and children. What? Yeah, it

1:17:38

was terrible. I didn't see it firsthand,

1:17:41

no, but I heard all of it.

1:17:43

I heard the yelling and I heard

1:17:45

the slap. and then I heard the

1:17:48

crying. I heard his wife Linda crying.

1:17:50

I heard the kids crying. He just

1:17:52

came home and started beating the shit

1:17:55

out of his family for no reason.

1:17:57

They were probably sleeping. He probably woke

1:17:59

them up to beat the shit at

1:18:01

him. So he said in the middle

1:18:04

of the night, he sealagmen quietly gathered

1:18:06

his things and got off the boat

1:18:08

and went to stay with his parents.

1:18:11

So now they say nothing was funny

1:18:13

now. From the moment the show has

1:18:15

conceived that it had been an inherent

1:18:18

possibility for trouble, the chance that any

1:18:20

of the live acts could draw an

1:18:22

instant cloud over the proceedings with a

1:18:25

bad result, scenarios had been created for

1:18:27

what to do in each case, how

1:18:29

to handle hospital situations, how even to

1:18:32

handle death? The first move in all

1:18:34

fatalities would be go to commercial. Number

1:18:36

one. Now, there was an additional worry

1:18:39

that the star of the show, the

1:18:41

guy whose name was in the title,

1:18:43

was a time bomb. Evil was again

1:18:45

seen as a real jerk. The shark

1:18:48

tank people had come to the same

1:18:50

conclusions as the Snake River launch people.

1:18:52

Steeligman said he was just an awful

1:18:55

guy. So a press conference is held

1:18:57

on January 25th, 1977, six days before

1:18:59

the event. But this didn't make news.

1:19:02

It's just Selegman. That guy knows. but

1:19:04

he's gonna break it, huh? He said

1:19:06

this 30 years later. He didn't talk

1:19:09

about this till the book came out,

1:19:11

like 2015 or something. So yeah, this

1:19:13

is way late. I mean, he told

1:19:16

everybody that he knew at the time,

1:19:18

but it wasn't, nothing got out publicly.

1:19:20

So there's a press conference here, and

1:19:22

it's a press conference talking about the

1:19:25

sharks, and they have a whole, a

1:19:27

miniature thing. set up with a ramp

1:19:29

and an evil can evil figure on

1:19:32

a little evil can evil bike and

1:19:34

a shark tank with little like plastic

1:19:36

sharks in it and like to show

1:19:39

what it is and evil supposed to

1:19:41

be the guest of honor obviously and

1:19:43

he's supposed to show up and walk

1:19:46

everybody through it this is how I'm

1:19:48

going to go and I'm going to

1:19:50

do this and everything so he's supposed

1:19:53

to come to this press conference and

1:19:55

they wait for him and they wait

1:19:57

for him and he doesn't show up.

1:20:00

So they have to tell the press, we

1:20:02

were in contact with them all day

1:20:04

yesterday, then we lost contact last night.

1:20:06

So then the executive producer is like,

1:20:08

all right, let's try to spin this

1:20:11

to a positive. He said he is

1:20:13

what he is. Knowing evil, he could

1:20:15

very well come walking into this press

1:20:17

conference, or he could very well not

1:20:19

come walking into this press conference.

1:20:21

He's unpredictable, huh? So

1:20:23

anyway, he's not there, basically. He never

1:20:26

fucking shows up and they're talking about

1:20:28

all the other acts that are going

1:20:30

to take place. Somebody's going to walk

1:20:32

on a wire stretch between the hotels,

1:20:35

the Eden Rock and Fountain Blue in

1:20:37

Miami, and another guy's going to perform

1:20:39

a trapeze that hung from a

1:20:41

helicopter. Yeah, Ron Phillips, Evil Conevel's

1:20:44

buddy from Butte, would drive a

1:20:46

ski mobile off a ski jump

1:20:48

in Lincolnshire, Illinois. There, Orville, Kissingerberg,

1:20:50

Kisselburg, a daredevil who had known

1:20:52

evil almost since the beginning, would

1:20:55

blow himself up with the Russian

1:20:57

death chair. That's the guy who

1:20:59

blows himself 30 feet into the

1:21:02

air. And Jump and Joe Gerlach

1:21:04

would jump off the roof of

1:21:06

the Chicago amphitheater, an 84-foot

1:21:08

drop, into a three-foot sponge on

1:21:11

the street. He didn't do that. How

1:21:13

do you do that? I have no

1:21:15

fucking idea. But they're going to do

1:21:17

it anyway. At the end of the presentation

1:21:19

with no evil, the producer walks up with

1:21:21

a note in his hand and he said,

1:21:24

I got a note from a messenger from

1:21:26

evil. He just messingered this year. He's shopping

1:21:28

sharks. Yeah, he says, wait till we get

1:21:30

to the shark shopping. Oh boy. He

1:21:32

says, the note says, this is a more

1:21:34

dangerous jump in the Snake River Canyon or any

1:21:37

of my other jumps, signed evil and evil.

1:21:41

That's what he would have said

1:21:43

and all the press was like yeah,

1:21:45

right none of them even wrote it

1:21:47

down So he never showed up everybody

1:21:49

went home So can evil was still

1:21:52

in Fort Lauderdale. That's where he was

1:21:54

So a reporter named Joey

1:21:56

Goldstein tracked him down there and

1:21:58

asked him what which? excuse for

1:22:00

missing the press conference.

1:22:03

He said this is the second,

1:22:05

Goldstein said it was the second

1:22:07

time in his life that he's fucking,

1:22:10

you know, had to deal with shit.

1:22:12

So evil tells him the truth.

1:22:14

I guess, truth at the moment,

1:22:16

he said evil told him among

1:22:18

other things, quote, I'm sick and

1:22:20

tired of dealing with Jews.

1:22:22

Evil. That's what he told a

1:22:25

reporter named Joey Goldstein.

1:22:27

Okay. Now, evil, he said, maybe evil

1:22:29

had said it only for Goldstein's benefit,

1:22:31

a personal ethnic dig, because he liked

1:22:33

to do that with people. Maybe it

1:22:35

was no more than an insensitive joke.

1:22:37

Maybe two, he meant it. Whichever the

1:22:40

case, it got printed in a Chicago

1:22:42

newspaper the next day, along with the

1:22:44

previous quote that he told Bob Arum

1:22:46

that the three things he hates most

1:22:48

in life are lawyers, New Yorkers, and

1:22:50

Jews. So, they

1:22:52

said the star of evil connival's

1:22:54

death to fires was left to

1:22:56

scramble long distance and denial. He

1:22:58

said he'd received 91 phone calls, which

1:23:01

is a totally made-up number. Nineties,

1:23:03

two-round, 91 phone call. Sounds ridiculous.

1:23:05

A hundred sounds crazy. Hundreds too

1:23:07

many. Ninety-one. That's the number. What a

1:23:09

liar. He said that with people

1:23:11

that were upset with him. He

1:23:13

said he never said those words

1:23:15

and he never would. Knowing what we

1:23:17

know about evil he absolutely said that

1:23:20

100% 100% He said it in case

1:23:22

you heard misheard me I'll say it

1:23:24

again Yeah, and then he probably he

1:23:26

threw god damn Jews in there probably

1:23:28

first I would have said probably spelled

1:23:30

it for him J E Dobbs He

1:23:33

said K I no that's That's how

1:23:35

he spelled it for him. He said

1:23:37

I had a wisdom tooth that was

1:23:39

giving him shit. That's what it was.

1:23:41

That's why he wasn't there he has

1:23:43

a lot of friends or Jews or

1:23:46

Jews Oh yeah. He said including

1:23:48

Howard Cosell? He's my friend.

1:23:50

He said I owe all my

1:23:52

success in the world to these

1:23:54

people. He said, he, I'm probably

1:23:57

a Jew myself because I believe

1:23:59

in life. Then he says if any son

1:24:01

of a bitch in Chicago says I'm anti-Semitic

1:24:03

I'm going to beat the shit out of

1:24:05

him Especially if it's a Jew I will

1:24:07

really kick his Jew ass if that's what

1:24:09

he wants If he's in Chicago and he's

1:24:12

a lawyer from New York Oh He's

1:24:14

really gonna get he's getting it. I'm

1:24:16

gonna run him over with the motorcycle

1:24:18

So there's a couple of problems with

1:24:20

this venture and the main problem is

1:24:22

the sharks. Yeah Now first problem is local

1:24:24

animal rights people even in the

1:24:27

70s were worried about injuring the

1:24:29

sharks The city's commission on animal care

1:24:31

and control said it might have to

1:24:33

stop the show. They said, what do

1:24:35

we do if he falls into the

1:24:37

tank and the sharks attack? The guy

1:24:39

said, he said to save his life,

1:24:41

you might have to kill sharks. Like

1:24:43

why are you putting him in that

1:24:45

position? So they were waiting for something.

1:24:47

The second problem was whether there was

1:24:49

even going to be any fucking sharks.

1:24:51

Well, the people in charge of catching

1:24:53

the sharks in the Florida Keys were

1:24:55

worried about if they could find enough

1:24:58

sharks or not. It might not be a

1:25:00

shark season. And then even if the

1:25:02

sharks would look fierce, the press release

1:25:04

promised, quote, 13 man-eating sharks in the

1:25:06

fucking tank. So you gotta have 13

1:25:09

sharks. Yeah, they gotta be like at

1:25:11

least jaws level sharks here. So they

1:25:13

said about it, this is shark

1:25:15

expert Garrett Clay reported to a

1:25:17

columnist in the New York Times,

1:25:20

quote, we've got maybe four acceptable

1:25:22

animals, maybe five. Six or seven

1:25:24

lemon sharks. They're lemon sharks. Are

1:25:27

they really? They absolutely are. The weather's

1:25:29

been terrible. And they said the sharks

1:25:31

were far from man-eaters. The biggest boxes

1:25:33

Clay had for shipping the animals to

1:25:35

Chicago were eight feet long. Yeah. These

1:25:38

aren't going to be big fish. No. So

1:25:40

they said he was hoping to catch lemon

1:25:42

sharks or blue sharks, but they pretty much

1:25:44

they were looking for anything with a dorsal

1:25:46

fin at this point. Just look. Something that

1:25:49

you go down it. Don't know when you

1:25:51

see it. That's all we're asking to breach

1:25:53

the surface with just their fin. That's it.

1:25:55

They said there would be no white sharks,

1:25:58

great white sharks like the killer and. white

1:26:00

sharks can be as large as 36

1:26:02

feet long. Yeah, but you got those

1:26:04

so deep, you got to go find

1:26:06

those. And a shark expert said, there's

1:26:08

not going to be any danger. The

1:26:10

shark guy said, if can evil should

1:26:12

fall in, he'd spook these animals right

1:26:14

out of the pool. They'd be scared

1:26:16

shitless of what happened. Because the splat

1:26:18

that would incur, they wouldn't go, oh

1:26:20

good food. They'd go, holy shit, a

1:26:22

meteorior, and be fucking swimming for their

1:26:24

lives. There are motorcycles coming in before

1:26:27

him and that's going to get the

1:26:29

fuck out of him. Absolutely, that's going

1:26:31

to kick up some water. So they

1:26:33

said the Smith article was syndicated across

1:26:35

the country. Marty Posetta was forced to

1:26:37

scramble again. He described to reporters the

1:26:39

size of the saltwater pool that was

1:26:41

being built, 90 feet by 50 feet,

1:26:43

4 feet deep. For the animal rights

1:26:45

people, he described the care that would

1:26:48

be taken with the sharks, the 25,000

1:26:50

pounds of salt and varieties of chemicals

1:26:52

that would be put into the water

1:26:54

to create a familiar environment. for

1:26:56

the potentially bloodthirsty viewers, he

1:26:58

described the dangers involved. The

1:27:00

sharks definitely would be lemon

1:27:02

sharks. They would all be

1:27:04

at least 10 feet long,

1:27:06

which we know isn't true,

1:27:08

and they wouldn't have been

1:27:10

fed for three days before

1:27:12

the jump. He said, they're

1:27:14

gonna be mean. Jacques Cousteau

1:27:16

assured us that lemon sharks

1:27:18

are mean. So. Canevil finally appeared

1:27:20

in Chicago on Friday and did the

1:27:22

Phil Donahue show, which was a local

1:27:25

show at the time. He did AM

1:27:27

Chicago, another television. He said again that

1:27:29

he's not anti-Semitic, over and over and

1:27:31

over again. I got a lot of

1:27:33

Jew friends. Got a ton of Jew

1:27:35

friends. I'll list them for you. He

1:27:37

promoted the jump, he did his jobs,

1:27:40

his job. The sharks finally appeared on

1:27:42

Saturday and were released into the world's

1:27:44

largest indoor saltwater pool. They were definitely

1:27:47

a long way from home. Chicago was

1:27:49

in the midst of a record 45-day

1:27:51

stretch where the temperature never got above

1:27:53

32 degrees. Oh no! Horrifying. You're going to

1:27:56

freeze these things. Well it's inside, but

1:27:58

still, it's not good. The temperature outside

1:28:00

two days earlier was a record negative

1:28:03

13 degrees and the coldest day in

1:28:05

the coldest month of Chicago weather history.

1:28:07

The wind chill was negative 60 degrees.

1:28:09

The chill now extended to the show

1:28:12

itself. Who wanted to come out of

1:28:14

the house in that weather? Right. Yeah.

1:28:16

And they said, Posetta's staff was distributing

1:28:19

free tickets to Chicago high schools in

1:28:21

an attempt to draw some kind of

1:28:23

crowd just for the TV, so it

1:28:25

wouldn't look terrible. Tickets were almost, ticket

1:28:28

sales were almost non-existent. The sports columnist

1:28:30

Robert Marcus in the Chicago Tribune said,

1:28:32

this time the sharks are going to

1:28:35

be the good guys. Oh man, that

1:28:37

is fucking hilarious. So, the play-by-play announcer

1:28:39

assigned to the jump was Brent Musburger.

1:28:41

Oh, is that right? Years and years

1:28:44

and years of football and everything else.

1:28:46

He'd become CBS's prominent sports voice. I

1:28:48

remember him doing all the college basketball

1:28:51

when I was a kid, all those

1:28:53

big East games. Front and center for

1:28:55

the past two years is anchor of

1:28:57

NFL today. That's the other one. The

1:29:00

pro football show that dominated the Sunday

1:29:02

ratings with a cast that included former

1:29:04

Miss America Phyllis George, Philadelphia Eagle, Irv

1:29:07

Cross, and Jimmy the Greek. Musburger was

1:29:09

a Montana native. He grew up in

1:29:11

big timber. Yeah, which was located between

1:29:13

Bozeman and Billings, so he found a

1:29:16

measure of acceptance for me, evil. He

1:29:18

was a local guy. Yeah. Musburger said

1:29:20

we could always talk about Montana. It

1:29:23

was an easy entree. I'd met him

1:29:25

at some kind of event a few

1:29:27

years earlier in New York. Maybe when

1:29:29

he announced that he was going to

1:29:32

jump the canyon. I didn't know him

1:29:34

well, but I had memories from Butte

1:29:36

when I was a kid. We could

1:29:39

talk about Butte. There were some good

1:29:41

restaurants in Butte. I'd go there with

1:29:43

my parents. Musburger the day before the

1:29:45

show looked down into the tank. He

1:29:48

was surprised. He thought the sharks looked

1:29:50

like Minos. This was a

1:29:52

challenge. He said maybe with the right

1:29:55

camera angle it would look better. He

1:29:57

sure hopes so four feet deep and

1:29:59

they still don't look big. Those fish

1:30:01

don't get that big. They're maybe eight

1:30:04

feet long at their, at a mature,

1:30:06

ready to die level. This is the

1:30:08

best, okay? So he went back to

1:30:11

his hotel room to get ready for

1:30:13

the big night. That's, that's fucking Musburger.

1:30:15

They say, oh, in the book. There

1:30:17

was, this was a mistake, though. He

1:30:20

missed the action. Canevil crashed and landed

1:30:22

and landed in the hospital before the

1:30:24

event even began. What? Yeah. Busburger said

1:30:26

I wasn't there in the afternoon, but

1:30:29

I guess the director wanted evil to

1:30:31

do a practice run. He went to

1:30:33

the trailer where evil was drinking Jack

1:30:36

Daniels with another guy. I bet it

1:30:38

was wild turkey. Yeah, no Jay Daniels.

1:30:40

They'd been there drinking for a while.

1:30:42

The director said he wanted evil to

1:30:45

do the practice run. There would be

1:30:47

no show. So evil punched the director,

1:30:49

just whacked him, sent the guy spinning

1:30:51

out of the door of the trailer

1:30:54

right down the stairs. Then he put

1:30:56

his helmet on and said something like,

1:30:58

you want to practice run? I'll give

1:31:01

you a god damn practice run. Well,

1:31:03

the guy's holding his jaw. He went

1:31:05

over to the bike, kicked the starter,

1:31:07

jumped onto the saddle, cameraman scrambled to

1:31:10

get their equipment, and he just took

1:31:12

off, and he crashed. God. Because he

1:31:14

was drunk. Yep, went over the side.

1:31:16

He was drunk and he crashed the

1:31:19

motorcycle. It was something straight out of

1:31:21

Hollywood. They carried him off to the

1:31:23

hospital. Awesome. Now, there's other versions of

1:31:26

this event that happened here. Here's another

1:31:28

thing where they say Musburger's account of

1:31:30

the events was backwards. Other accounts flipped

1:31:32

the scene 180 degrees. Canevil wanted to

1:31:35

do a practice run, the producers didn't.

1:31:37

He was drinking, drunk, there was an

1:31:39

argument. That part is never different in

1:31:41

any story. He's drunk and belligerent, that

1:31:44

we know. It's what he's mad at

1:31:46

that we're trying to figure out. Nobody's

1:31:48

confused about whether or not there was

1:31:51

booze on his breath. No shit. So

1:31:53

according to Michael Seligman. Kenevel pushed Marty

1:31:55

Posetta against the wall of the trailer

1:31:57

and said something like, I don't care

1:32:00