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1:18

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That said, I think it's time to,

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That said, I think it's time to

3:26

dive back into evil here. Here

3:28

we go. This lunatic. Let's see

3:31

here. When we last left off,

3:33

this was him trying to be a dare

3:35

devil at first. Right. Yeah, the snakes,

3:37

the snake box and the snake box.

3:39

The bobcats that hit under the ramp.

3:42

Oh my God. The thought of these

3:44

snakes going into the crowd and the

3:46

way they describe the crowd just like

3:48

running away. It's so funny. Like you

3:51

couldn't get a worse scenario. Like there

3:53

goes the box. Here comes the snakes.

3:55

I have the dirt bike hitting the

3:57

edge of a box is gonna just.

4:00

throw it. Like, yeah, throw spaghetti

4:02

from a colander. That's what will

4:04

happen. A spaghetti that bites.

4:06

A venomous spaghetti. Throw that

4:08

into the crowd. That is going

4:11

to be horrified. So nowadays

4:13

here, the guy he was

4:15

working with in that, he took

4:17

off to work on his

4:19

master's degree in California. He

4:21

decided he'd had enough working with

4:24

evil and evil here. So

4:26

evil. tried to work a deal

4:28

to buy the motorcycle dealership. That's what

4:30

he was trying to do because we left

4:32

off. He was trying to figure out a

4:34

motorcycle dealership deal to work with. And he

4:36

offered half of this deal to a guy

4:38

named Ray Gunn who he talked about, or

4:41

was a guy named another rider at the

4:43

track here. And this guy said, no, he

4:45

didn't want to do it. And he said, you

4:47

know, he said, quote, it didn't sound like

4:49

a bad deal. Not a lot of money

4:52

was involved, but I knew how it would

4:54

all work. I'd do all the work, he'd

4:56

spend all the money. I knew evil well

4:58

enough to stay out of that. That's how

5:00

everyone feels about evil, unless you're... Mesmer,

5:02

if you know him, you're not going

5:04

to give him money. That's crazy, you

5:07

know, obviously. The snake jump, whoever financed

5:09

and gave him money for that, didn't

5:11

get paid for that. No, no, he

5:13

had nothing. So, evil never has money,

5:15

that's the thing. He's living south of

5:17

Moses Lake with the dealership doing all

5:20

that kind of shit, trying to sell

5:22

motorcycles. One resident of Moses Lake remembered

5:24

when evil was, quote, quote, so poor

5:26

he didn't have a cracker in the

5:28

cupboard for his kids. Cracker a

5:30

cracker then the IRS started looking

5:32

at the dealership too so now

5:35

it's getting worse here and It's

5:37

not good at all and then

5:39

he needed money at this point

5:41

Obviously, he's got this trying

5:43

to sell Honda's and he's doing

5:45

all this shit. So what he

5:47

does is turns into a what

5:50

the book describes as a one-man

5:52

local crime spree He has no

5:54

stranger to burglary as we know

5:56

that's that's That's his jam.

5:58

The result. ton of robberies

6:01

everywhere and this Lake Moses isn't

6:03

a big play or Moses Lake

6:05

it's not a big place where I

6:08

think that's Washington Eastern Washington yeah

6:10

so it's not a big place

6:12

so it's not like if a

6:14

guy comes to town and then

6:16

a whole bunch of crime happens

6:18

Strongly that guy. Look at him first,

6:20

you know what I mean? That's what they're

6:22

looking at here, especially if he's... Well, the

6:24

conversation, yeah. He goes by the name evil,

6:26

you know, maybe check him out. I guess

6:28

he was the first suspect and the only

6:30

suspect in a shit load of robberies. The

6:33

only guy they looked at, but they could

6:35

never catch him in the act. Oh. And so

6:37

they could never catch him doing it.

6:39

He's pretty slick, that's one thing about...

6:41

evil here uh... his friend the guy

6:43

who didn't want to go into business

6:45

with him said he was always doing

6:48

these little criminal extracurricular activities he robbed

6:50

a lot of places burglarized whatever you

6:52

want to call it you know criminal

6:54

he's always doing these crimes that's a

6:56

lot of that's polysyllabic shit for saying

6:58

crime yeah a little too wordy for

7:00

crime criminal extracurricular activities it makes it

7:03

sound like well that's nice it's good

7:05

for a kid to play sports that's

7:07

what it makes it It's good that

7:09

he's in band. He'll meet the other

7:11

kids and he'll get a line backer.

7:13

He's breaking and robbing. This is crazy.

7:15

He robbed, whatever you want to call

7:17

it, crime is what we want to

7:19

call it. Finally, the guy he was

7:21

working with at the dealership, Darryl Tripper,

7:23

he ended the arrangement at the dealership.

7:25

Basically, the numbers never

7:27

added up correctly, you know, because

7:30

it's evil and evil. So, embezzling

7:32

and stealing and shit. Yeah,

7:34

and he thought though, he thought

7:36

about evil. He said he was

7:39

a great salesman. That's the thing.

7:41

I mean, we found out

7:43

from selling the insurance. He's

7:45

a move. He's a move. He's a

7:48

salesman. I mean, we found out

7:50

from selling the insurance. He's a

7:52

move shit. He's a move shit.

7:54

He's a salesman. You just ended

7:57

it. So the Moses Lake Honda

7:59

dealership closed. And then evil

8:01

went to Sunnyside Washington to work

8:03

for a guy named Don Pomeroy

8:05

at his motorcycle shop. Okay. So

8:07

this doesn't seem like this guy's

8:09

going to be world famous in

8:12

10 years or six years or

8:14

whatever at this point. Anytime ever.

8:16

Anytime ever. It seems like he's

8:18

going to be a dirtbag who

8:20

lives in a trailer and beats his

8:22

kids. That's what it seems like. Near

8:24

him. Yeah. So he takes his

8:27

family back to Butte. Yeah. And he

8:29

tried to sell. insurance again

8:31

the same combined insurance that

8:33

he was doing but didn't have

8:35

it in him anymore he wanted

8:37

to do the motorcycle thing he

8:39

thought he he got a taste of

8:41

that i think sure when you get

8:44

a taste from from comedians who go

8:46

on stage when you get a taste

8:48

of admiration from a live crowd it's

8:50

a it's a weird drug that is

8:52

especially if that's the way your brain

8:54

works oh man it is a tough

8:56

drug to shake that's why you see

8:58

70 year old men who are wealthy

9:00

enough to not have to be on

9:02

stage on stage that's why they need

9:05

it that for some reason it's strange

9:07

so he tries to do this another

9:09

rider from Washington that's the Don Pomeroy

9:11

guy offers him a chance to

9:13

sell Yamaha motorcycles in Sunnyside Washington

9:15

which is it's definitely the brand

9:17

it's it's got to be the

9:19

but it's not evil obviously it's

9:21

about a hundred miles south of

9:24

Moses Lake this place so he

9:26

says fuck it we're going Let's

9:28

do this and this is how evil works,

9:30

by the way. Okay. He tells the

9:32

wife, pack up, we're leaving. Yeah. Not,

9:34

what do you think about moving here?

9:36

Where do you want to go?

9:39

Doesn't matter. Follow, let's let's fucking

9:41

go here. The book, the way

9:43

the book quotes it is, wife

9:45

came second, kids came third. Period.

9:47

Don't give a shit about them. Yeah,

9:49

got to do my thing. We can

9:52

make new ones. That's it. So

9:54

they move into a trailer in

9:56

Sunnyside Sunnyside Washington. God damn. Sounds

9:59

attractive here. I bet that's an

10:01

ironic name. It's eastern Washington, so

10:03

it's sunny out there. It's sunny

10:05

over there. Yeah, it's shit over

10:07

there. It's not like, not the

10:09

majestic mountains or anything like that.

10:11

That's why he's familiar with the

10:13

Snake River, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

10:15

Idaho, Montana, all this. This is

10:17

where he's all. kind of spent

10:19

all of his time and this

10:21

is where he's the most comfortable.

10:23

His wife here has to get

10:25

a real fucking job. And this

10:27

is a hard job here. The

10:29

guy he's working with the Pomeroy

10:31

guy has a seven acre

10:34

asparagus farm. So Linda takes a

10:36

job picking asparagus. Wow.

10:38

Yeah. I guess it was a lot

10:40

of like teenagers worked there. Yeah. a hard

10:42

labor so they have babysitters taking care of

10:44

the kids and evil selling motorcycles and she's

10:47

doing stoop labor so Is that like, to

10:49

pick asparagus, it's just like snapping it, yeah?

10:51

I think, but it's down on the ground.

10:53

Do they grow in stocks like they pack

10:55

them? I don't even know. I think they

10:58

grow in stocks. They used to hang asparagus

11:00

stocks to keep flies out of places. Oh.

11:02

That was a thing like in Pennsylvania shit

11:04

back in the day. They used to do

11:06

that, yeah, so like 1800, 1700. I guess

11:09

if it grew on like a tree, it'd

11:11

look like a dick tree, it'd look like a

11:13

dick tree, so that would look like a dick.

11:15

Yeah, I've never said, a asparagus tree would be something.

11:17

Yeah, just like, I did, you saw me doing it,

11:19

you're like, yeah. Yeah, just, but they'd be like leaning

11:21

over because they're long, yeah. It'd be like the Dick

11:23

Museum on fucking. Yeah, they're ready to go when they

11:25

snap off. Oh, that's up there, that's ready. And you

11:28

have to cut the rest off here. They've got to

11:30

grow like grass, I don't know, I've never seen it. I've

11:32

never seen it. Oh, I've never seen it. Oh, I've never seen

11:34

it. Oh, I've never seen it. Oh, I've never seen it. Oh,

11:36

I've never seen it. Oh, I've never seen it. I've never

11:38

seen it. I've never seen it. I've never

11:40

seen it. I've never seen it. I've never

11:42

seen it. I've never seen it. I only

11:44

name my kid's shit that rhymes with me.

11:46

They can't have my name, but it better

11:49

rhyme, God damn it. So he said, quote,

11:51

one of my first memories is the police

11:53

coming to the shop and escorting him out

11:55

in handcuffs. Taking evil out in handcuffs?

11:57

From work. In the middle of the

11:59

shit. He's like, hold on a

12:01

minute, I got a guy in

12:04

the line about this 120

12:06

and they're like, no, no,

12:08

no, no, it's time to

12:10

go. You gotta go, you

12:13

gotta go now. It's gonna

12:15

cost me a sale, man.

12:17

Damn it, come on, finish

12:19

up my sale, I get

12:21

credit for this. I got

12:23

him on the hook, God damn

12:26

it, as they're dragging

12:28

him out. in the shows. Ron

12:30

Hazard. He said he cashed a

12:32

bad check. I bailed him out.

12:34

He was in jail a couple

12:36

of times. Police were trying to

12:38

figure out a way to arrest

12:40

him, but they could never figure

12:42

out how to get him to... Yeah.

12:44

had to just catch him basically,

12:47

he's good at crying. He knows

12:49

what the cops are looking for

12:51

and avoids it. His friend, the

12:54

hazard guy, he's a bar owner,

12:56

and he said he wasn't much

12:58

of a drinker, he wasn't much

13:00

of a drinker, he wasn't much

13:03

of a pool player either, though

13:05

he'd play, he'd play shuffleboard too,

13:07

he wasn't afraid to fight, I'll

13:09

say that. He had more than

13:12

one fight, doesn't gamble. He drinks.

13:14

He drinks like a fucking fish. He's just

13:16

not in the bar. Oh, okay. He's never

13:18

sinked it. Yeah, no, he's not much of

13:20

a drinker type of guy in the bar.

13:23

The bar is when he's going out to

13:25

show himself off in peacock. It's not

13:27

about getting drunk and having a

13:29

good time. It's about telling everybody that

13:31

he's going to go do something special.

13:33

Like later on when he decides he's

13:36

going to jump the Grand Canyon he

13:38

pulls that out of his ass. He'll

13:40

just go around places and just be

13:42

like stand at the bars and just

13:45

be like, so I'm going to be

13:47

jumping the Grand Canyon on my motorcycle

13:49

as he's standing there and people are

13:51

like, huh, the hell are you talking

13:54

about? Oh man. Like that's how he's

13:56

trying to spread publicity one bar at

13:58

a time. It's fucking weird. layman like he'll

14:00

try racing and he's not very good at

14:03

it like yeah the other motorcyclists are like

14:05

he's not a very good bike motorcycle

14:07

rider he's just not like in terms

14:09

of this but on the street he

14:11

can ride a wheelie all the way

14:13

up the street he can go fast

14:15

real recklessly but he can get in

14:17

the turns and do the technical shit

14:19

exactly exactly he's just he's not afraid

14:21

of anything is what it is he

14:23

just got balls and we'll try anything

14:25

here So, by the way, Pomeroy's son

14:28

Jim was a big international motorcycle racer.

14:30

I was going to say Pomeroy I

14:32

think is a name of racing. Yeah,

14:34

that makes sense. Jim Pomeroy was

14:36

the first American to win

14:38

an FIM international race, which

14:40

was the 250 CC Spanish

14:43

Motor Cross Grand Prix in

14:45

1973. Wow. So, during at

14:47

one race, Canevil saw Pomeroy.

14:49

do the wheel walk which is the

14:51

wheelie standing on the seat okay yeah

14:54

he saw that and he was like

14:56

putting that in my fucking shit stealing

14:58

that he saw another comic to a

15:00

joke and was like nope that's my

15:02

joke now no one knows this that's

15:05

all that's mine yep so he took

15:07

that he practiced it and practiced

15:09

it and then did it in his

15:11

next show again he has balls you

15:14

can't no give him anything like that

15:16

he this is hilarious though when he

15:18

was really Getting into it and

15:20

trying to practice it. He was

15:22

going to do it at a show But he

15:25

was doing it. I know he did it

15:27

on a warm day wearing only a t-shirt

15:29

not his racing leathers. Oh Because

15:31

he was showing off and it's on

15:33

asphalt and he crashed Oh No, and

15:36

took off most of the skin on

15:38

his body basically that'll do it. Yeah,

15:40

went to the hospital came back to

15:42

the race covered in bandages and did

15:45

it again he went back to

15:47

the hospital He just went to the

15:49

hospital and said just fucking cover up

15:51

the bleeding spots and then left me

15:53

up Wow and then left and Pomeroy

15:55

said I'll never forget all that blood

15:57

oozing through he was a crazy bastard

15:59

go He's a crazy fuck. That's I

16:01

mean he's insane He's he'll do a race

16:03

later with a fucking broken or he'll do

16:06

a jump with a broken arm He's

16:08

like I'll just hold it with one

16:10

arm. I'll hold the fucking That's insane.

16:12

Don't do that It's the it's not the

16:14

jump. It's the landing man. That's exactly

16:16

what it is. Yeah when he lands

16:19

and then of course he didn't have

16:21

good control and he flipped over the

16:23

handlebars almost killed himself for the 40

16:26

of fucking time He's a maniac. Now

16:28

here's a few stories from locals in

16:30

Butte from around this time. Sure. Because

16:33

Evil is having a hard time making

16:35

a living and he's basically just robbing

16:37

people all the time. So this is

16:40

the owner of the Akoma Lounge who

16:42

we talked about before. I think that

16:44

was where he sold somebody his own

16:47

their own set of tires. They're on

16:49

set of tires. Which is one of

16:51

the greatest things ever. This guy says

16:53

Bobby robbed me. Bobby is evil,

16:55

by the way, if you didn't hear

16:58

part one. That hurt because we were

17:00

friends. The place was broken into during

17:02

the night. I just figured it

17:04

was Bob. I just assumed it was

17:06

Bob. He said a few weeks

17:08

later someone broke into the Akoma

17:11

lounge again. This time it was a

17:13

reverse robbery. The robber left the

17:15

amount had that had been robbed

17:17

the first time, plus a hundred

17:19

bucks. It was definitely Bob. It's definitely

17:21

Bob. But at least he gave it

17:23

back. Yeah, with interest. He just borrowed

17:25

it is what he did. This guy

17:27

was like, are you fucking kidding me?

17:29

Like he comes in finds that and

17:31

evil happened to come into the bar

17:33

that day. That night after he found

17:35

it. And evil said, aren't you going

17:37

to buy around? When the guy said,

17:39

you know, hey, somebody gave me my

17:41

money back. He said, oh, you should

17:44

buy around then for the whole bar.

17:46

Heard you made a hundred bucks. Yeah,

17:48

he talks to his cousins a lot

17:50

and we'll talk about that. One

17:52

of his cousins was watching and

17:54

practice jumping his motorcycle and he

17:57

said, you're sure good on those

17:59

takeoffs. but you're not so good sometimes

18:01

with those landings aren't you there that's

18:04

and that's kind of the part that

18:06

makes it impressive that's that he keeps

18:08

doing it you know that but I

18:10

mean the impressive feet is the jump

18:12

it but it's not the guy in

18:15

the air it's the guy that does

18:17

that and then Sits that shit back

18:19

on the ground, because that's what makes

18:21

you different from us. I could do

18:23

that shit. I could crash a motorcycle,

18:25

too. That's what I mean. If you

18:28

could stay on it enough to get

18:30

it up to speed, fucking anybody could

18:32

fly through the air. That's not hard.

18:34

That's super easy. Yeah, the human cannonball

18:36

part is the other side is is

18:39

the thing. Yeah, it's that part where

18:41

Grafty brings you back. Yeah, imagine if

18:43

diving was just flipping around in the

18:45

air, it didn't matter how you hit

18:47

the water. Fucking sideways, belly flopping. That

18:50

wouldn't, that's the point. It's that part

18:52

where you do it better than us

18:54

because you landed it. But that's the

18:56

fucked up part as we'll find out

18:58

later on. The thing that made him

19:00

famous was one. crash that happened to

19:03

be captured amazingly on film and slow

19:05

motion. Really? Yeah, in like very super

19:07

slow motion. Oh, I've seen it. Everybody's

19:09

seen it where he lands and you

19:11

can see his body tumbling. That is

19:14

the footage that made him famous. That

19:16

was it right there. He went on

19:18

every talk show with it and they

19:20

were like, holy shit. And he was

19:22

pretty well-fucked. No, he was pretty fucked

19:25

up. He was fucked up, but it

19:27

was his first promotional thing. We'll get

19:29

to it. That was the Caesar's jump.

19:31

We'll talk all about all this shit.

19:33

So anyway, his cousin here talking about

19:35

him said there was nothing hidden in

19:38

the fact that he was devious. That's

19:40

just, he wouldn't, if you knew it.

19:42

Yeah. He's trying to scam everybody and

19:44

everything at all times and that was

19:46

what you have to know to be

19:49

around. You know what he looks like

19:51

is jigsaw. You remember the saw movies,

19:53

the guy that's in the wheelchair, they

19:55

have the same face. It's similar. It's

19:57

a very it's a very mischievous diabolical

20:00

face and his Squint, his whole face

20:02

looks like he'll fucking steal from you.

20:04

Yeah, I will steal from anything that's

20:06

not held out. Yeah, he has friends

20:08

that I told you that didn't want

20:10

to go out of town because he

20:13

would come over to fuck their wives

20:15

if he knew he was out of

20:17

town. That's crazy. That's a bad guy.

20:19

Oh my God. The book says he

20:21

had an attitude that should have made

20:24

any buyer beware. Tied to his track

20:26

record of sometimes shady shady dealings. What

20:28

saved him was a twinklekel in his

20:30

twinkle in his eye. A little stage

20:32

laugh, sort of a ha ha ha

20:35

ha, that made all sins smaller, got

20:37

him off a succession of hooks. Trouble

20:39

that he was, he was fun to

20:41

be around, he lit up people's dull

20:43

lives. He was such a character that

20:45

people were like, I know he's full

20:48

of shit and he's trying to scam

20:50

me, but he's, you know, look at

20:52

him go. What a guy, yeah. It's

20:54

really a weird human thing that we

20:56

have where we will, if someone is

20:59

the gall enough, to put it right

21:01

in our faces that they're full of

21:03

shit yeah as long as they have

21:05

the gall enough to like do it

21:07

with a straight face just a bald

21:10

face fucking liar we're like the human

21:12

brain somehow has weird respect for that

21:14

when it absolutely shouldn't that's how dumb

21:16

people are I know he's full of

21:18

shit but god damn it something about

21:21

him I like well fucking who cares

21:23

he's full of shit that's the problem

21:25

like the stories yeah it's so weird

21:27

Pat Williams here his friend there said

21:29

I care his cousin said I came

21:31

back to Butte after college with this

21:34

little MGB sports car That was really

21:36

different in those days. I think I

21:38

might have been the first person with

21:40

an MGB in Butte maybe all of

21:42

Montana. You're not a popular car up

21:45

there probably it's a little British car.

21:47

They're cool little cars. Yeah, not great

21:49

in the snow. I would assume probably

21:51

not or anything really more of a

21:53

seems like more of a pickup truck

21:56

environment up there in the mining towns,

21:58

but he said that he was getting

22:00

into his car when evil drove by

22:02

slammed on his brakes and double parked

22:04

fucking like blocked him in yeah and

22:06

he's like what what you got there

22:09

what kind of car is that i

22:11

like that he said let me drive

22:13

it and this guy was like never

22:15

letting you drive my fucking car you're

22:17

a lunatic you're gonna jump it off

22:20

something no fucking way like everyone knew

22:22

don't let him drive your car he

22:24

said no absolutely not absolutely not and

22:26

uh... but within two minutes They were

22:28

driving away and evil was driving. He

22:31

conned them into it. So, that's a

22:33

very ball's thing to do in the

22:35

first place is ask anybody to drive.

22:37

Wow, that's hot. You got a brand

22:39

new little car? What? Especially not take

22:41

it around the block. He's going to

22:44

do an evil can evil test drive

22:46

on it, which is going to be.

22:48

Let me go pull the e-break. He

22:50

said it's just, they're going twice the

22:52

speed limit, cornering. He's like, let's see

22:55

how it takes his corner at 70

22:57

and shit like that, he's a lunatic.

22:59

Lunatic, he said that three minutes into

23:01

the test drive, they were coming down

23:03

the original street, and he spotted three

23:06

men standing around his double parked car,

23:08

because his car is still in the

23:10

middle of the fucking street, because the

23:12

car he was double parked when took

23:14

off. Yeah, that's the other thing. They

23:16

couldn't move because their car was boxed

23:19

in. So Evil said, hey, what are

23:21

those guys doing with my car? So

23:24

if the cousin said he fucking hits

23:26

the brakes and spins at 180 does

23:28

like a stunt driver spin Yeah, yeah,

23:30

with this fucking car squeals out All

23:33

this crazy shit and this guy's like

23:35

oh my god, but he said the

23:37

guy the William said he stopped a

23:39

foot short perfectly it was like the

23:42

most perfect stunt fucking spin from a

23:44

movie like holy shit this car Quickly,

23:46

yeah, and can evil fucking slammed on

23:48

the brother like holy shit they thought

23:51

they were gonna get hit by this

23:53

guard and he jumped out what's the

23:55

problem what's going on here and then

23:57

uh man so Pat once asked him,

24:00

his cousin, are you scared before you

24:02

do the stuff that you're doing? And

24:04

evil said, I better be. Yeah, I'm

24:06

scared every time. That shows I'm not

24:09

crazy. If I was crazy, I wouldn't

24:11

be scared. No, I'm dumb. I'm an idiot.

24:13

I know the consequences and ignore them. Yeah,

24:15

I know this is going to hurt when

24:18

I put my finger in this light socket.

24:20

I just do it. I guess in a

24:22

weird way that's the definition of brave. I

24:24

know this sucks but I'm doing it. Brave

24:27

and stupid are real close in the Venn

24:29

diagram. There's a lot of overlap there. I

24:31

know I could die but I'm going to

24:33

do it anyway. A lot of overlap between

24:36

brave and stupid and he's right there in

24:38

the middle of that shit. Because before all

24:40

of his big jumps, like the two days

24:42

leading up to it, he's telling everyone

24:44

he's not going to do it. He's like

24:47

I can't do it. cancel it, cancel

24:49

it, we're not doing it, there's no way

24:51

I can do it. And then when the showtime

24:53

comes, he does like two shots of liquor

24:55

and he's like, well, let's go, let's go,

24:57

two shots of whiskey and he's ready to

24:59

rock and roll. So it is so annoying,

25:01

it used to be very, him and his

25:03

son Robbie, watching them jump was like. Dude,

25:06

it was, because the jump is going

25:08

to take literally 10 seconds. It's all

25:10

this lead up for... And it's an

25:12

hour on NBC. Oh God, they're going

25:14

to talk about it, he's going to

25:16

come out, he's going to do a

25:18

couple laps. It drove you crazy. An

25:20

hour on wide world of sports for

25:22

that shit. Just do the god damn

25:24

jump. Fucking do it! Same thing cops

25:26

are looking for him and all that

25:28

kind of shit so he had to

25:30

kind of take off and also there's

25:32

a lot of men who want to

25:34

shoot him for fucking their wives because he

25:36

has no there is no like he doesn't even

25:38

hide the fact that he fucks every woman

25:40

he can like if his wife hears about

25:43

it he doesn't give a shit

25:45

not not his problem basically so

25:47

he started thinking I'm gonna be

25:49

a professional motorcycle motorcycle racer let's do

25:51

it And LA at the time,

25:53

Southern California, was basically the only

25:55

place in the country that had

25:57

like a professional motorcycle racing circuit.

26:00

the time so he goes I'm gonna

26:02

go down there he says Hollywood I've

26:04

made for Hollywood look at me yeah

26:06

yeah I'm full of shit there's no

26:08

better place for me to be if

26:10

I can't make it's fuck let's go

26:12

yeah if I can't make it as

26:14

a fucking you know performer at least

26:16

be an agent something I'm I won't

26:18

pull the shit off though god damn

26:20

it or I'll be a producer yeah

26:22

those guys don't do shit and they

26:24

go on money real well oh man

26:26

wide collars so he stopped in Spokane

26:28

Spokane and um to talk to a

26:30

guy named Darryl Triber. That's the guy

26:33

who brought him into the motorcycle business.

26:35

They hung out and talked and bullshitted

26:37

and just had a great fucking time.

26:39

And then that same night later on

26:42

his dealership was robbed. Oh, what a

26:44

coincidence. I hadn't seen the guy in

26:46

months and months and months. Shows up,

26:49

they got $350. And by the way,

26:51

that's the only robbery that ever

26:53

happened at that dealership before or

26:55

after or after. Just the one

26:57

day evil showed up. Archie Triber,

26:59

Darl's brother said, Bob did it.

27:01

Obviously, we all knew he did it.

27:04

There were things, things that only someone

27:06

who'd been around the store would know,

27:08

that made us sure. Darryl never said

27:10

anything to him. Darryl never went after

27:12

him. Darryl still liked him. If he

27:15

needed money that bad to go to

27:17

California, okay, he had the money. Everybody

27:19

just let his shit go. That's what

27:21

I mean. Well, he's taking like such

27:23

a... Doable and manageable sums that

27:25

it's not like robbing people of a hundred grand.

27:27

It's like 30 bucks here. 150 bucks there where

27:30

they're like, yeah, fuck, it's not cost. I like

27:32

him more than I need 150 bucks. That's what

27:34

people do, which is so weird. I'm calling for

27:36

me. I'm calling for me. They're going to throw

27:38

him in jail and I have to go to

27:40

court all this shit for a hundred dollars. Cave

27:43

is fucking skull and with a tire iron. He's

27:45

stealing for me. That's like, like, like, what are

27:47

you doing, what are you doing, what are you

27:49

doing, what are you doing, this is insane. In

27:51

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29:51

uh, man, on the way there,

29:53

he stopped at Ray Gunn's house

29:55

and he had his motorcycle in

29:57

a trailer hit his car, Ray

29:59

Gunn. is one of the guys he

30:01

was involved in. A break dancer from

30:04

Australia. Yeah, exactly. He told Gun he

30:06

was headed to Los Angeles to buy

30:08

a motorcycle racer and he said he

30:10

said I'm going to Australia to become

30:12

an art. Yeah, you know what? I'm going

30:15

to change my gender and not learn to

30:17

break dance. You can do it, I can

30:19

do it. Anybody can do it. He said

30:21

they'll eat you alive down there is what

30:23

he told him. You're not going to be

30:25

able to be able to do it. And

30:27

he wasn't able to do it. He goes

30:29

down there and he's... They said he basically,

30:32

the one guy who did the payoff

30:34

said he never made more than the

30:36

minimum for the race. Like he'd never

30:38

like won a race or did anything

30:40

like that. So he needed to make

30:43

some money because he needs to hire

30:45

more performers. He wants to put together

30:47

a daredevil team. This is 1966. And

30:49

he's like, I need everything, I need

30:51

like personnel, I need people to build

30:53

shit, I need people to call shit,

30:56

I need all this type of thing.

30:58

So he started looking for a

31:00

sponsor. And he ended up

31:02

going to ZDS Motors, which

31:04

was the West Coast distributor

31:06

of the Berliner Motor Corporation,

31:08

who distributed Norton motorcycles. Okay.

31:11

What do you think about? Norton's? No.

31:13

I didn't, I thought it was

31:15

just me. British? Berliner, I think

31:17

they're German. Okay, that makes sense.

31:19

Yeah, German bikes here. This guy

31:21

offered to provide the motorcycles, but he

31:23

wanted the name changed from, at

31:25

this point, it was, Cannevil and

31:28

his motorcycle daredevils, Thrill Show, to

31:30

Evil, Cannevil, and his motorcycle daredevils.

31:32

He goes, you gotta put evil

31:34

in there. Sounds cool. So it

31:36

can't just be. Can evil. Nobody's

31:38

coming to see can evil. No.

31:40

Come see evil. Can evil. That

31:43

sounds right. What is that? They're

31:45

going to go. Is that an

31:47

evil? What is that? You don't

31:49

even know. What is evil? It's

31:51

going to be. Can evil. You

31:53

know what? It's going to be. Can

31:55

evil. You know what it is? It

31:57

looks like it rhymes. So Can evil.

32:00

And Hell's Angels were like this

32:02

big national story of this motorcycle

32:04

gang terror. He said, I don't

32:06

want to be associated with that.

32:09

He said, so evil, they might

32:11

think I'm a Hell's Angel because I'm

32:13

evil. So he said, no, but this

32:15

guy said, that's how he got him.

32:18

He told him to, that's what

32:20

evil told this guy. I'll do

32:22

it if I can be EVE-E-E-L

32:24

instead of E-E-E-E-L instead of E-I.

32:26

Yeah, it's never been in print

32:28

before evil. We just used it

32:30

as a, you know, as his

32:32

name. Wow. So he said, what

32:34

if I'm AVEL, that way I'm

32:36

not evil. It looks like maybe

32:38

that's my real name. You know

32:40

what I mean? Sure. So the

32:42

guy said, sure, whatever, it's still

32:44

evil. I don't give a fuck.

32:46

It sounds cool. That's what we're

32:48

going for here. So that's what

32:50

they did. And is he going

32:53

to jump on Norton? Yes, he's

32:55

good. Yeah, that's what he's got.

32:57

Wow. His equipment for a while

32:59

for years is not what it

33:01

needs to be by the way

33:03

at all. It's like this other guy

33:05

that The the first air devil

33:08

little story here side story

33:10

kind of the first guy

33:12

who was doing like motor

33:14

daredevil shit for like a show was

33:16

a guy named Lucky Teeter was

33:18

driving was jumping a Plymouth

33:20

sedan though Okay from the 30s

33:23

like this heavy Giant steel thing

33:25

and the thing about those is that it's

33:27

all front heavy. Yeah, but you just got

33:29

to get it off But he yeah, he

33:31

would jump like a one truck sideways and

33:33

then land on the other side of the

33:35

ramp which was still an accomplishment Yeah, and

33:37

he would do all of this shit and

33:39

so this guy He was like a big

33:42

deal in the in the daredevil industry of

33:44

all his shows with the biggest deal, but

33:46

then the World War two came So he said

33:48

the real daredevil shit's going on over in Europe there and

33:50

in Asia, so I'm going to join the army and this

33:52

will be my last show. And he has like a wife

33:54

and three kids and they all come to watch it and

33:56

he goes for my last show, I'm going to jump two

33:59

trucks, it's going to be... the greatest thing I've

34:01

ever done and then I'm retiring from

34:03

this. So he drives off with the

34:05

Plymouth, comes up completely short, and smashes

34:07

into the fucking second ramp. Oh no!

34:10

The people who built the ramp, instead

34:12

of putting the board sideways, put the

34:14

boards fucking long ways. So basically, he

34:16

flew into a giant. fucking spike wall

34:19

of two by fours that impaled him

34:21

in the car and the car and

34:23

the him were like stuck in the

34:25

fucking rap it was crazy oh my

34:27

god fucking dead in front of his

34:30

kids and everything he did this there

34:32

a video of that it's 1942 so

34:34

I highly doubt yeah no So then

34:36

if it is it's black and white

34:39

shit like the carpet bombings of Germany,

34:41

which are really bad videos Yeah, those

34:43

are terrible. Yeah, they fixed them up

34:45

a lot. They have World War two

34:48

in color. There's these I don't think

34:50

they're I don't think they're given the

34:52

doctor version of Lucky teaters to Lucky

34:54

teaters death ride. I doubt it's happening.

34:56

So this is how evil though became

34:59

kind of started though because from Lucky

35:01

teater was this the wife the widow

35:03

now with these children and shit had

35:05

nothing and said i need to i'm

35:08

gonna sell all of this stuff that

35:10

he has for his traveling show so

35:12

he she asked this guy if he

35:14

could help herself this shit and this

35:16

guy just said well i'll just buy

35:19

it and then he started his own

35:21

fucking dare double thing i can't remember

35:23

the shit welder or something like that

35:25

but he's had dare devil shows up

35:28

until like the year 2000 and that's

35:30

the first guy evil saw doing a

35:32

dare devil act. So this lucky teeter

35:34

guy impaling himself begat evil can evil

35:37

doing this basically. I know that was

35:39

a side story but it's something I

35:41

read in the book. And you know

35:43

I mean really though the first dare

35:45

devils were like cowboys that would do

35:48

tricks and shit from worse back and

35:50

stuff. We've always been fascinated by anybody

35:52

doing something that's like... Just risking your

35:54

life for money. Yeah, for my entertainment.

35:57

Just risking your life. Thank you, Houdini.

35:59

You really paid the price. The lucky

36:01

teeter guy had a guy in his

36:03

crew that would just. they put up

36:05

a giant pole and he would climb

36:08

up to the top of it and

36:10

jump off of it and they dig

36:12

a big hole in the ground and

36:14

put a bunch of like air mattresses

36:17

in it and he'd dive off of

36:19

it in the way the perspective was

36:21

it looked like he just fell into

36:23

the ground and they'd give it like

36:26

five seconds and he'd pop up in

36:28

the crowd go oh my god he

36:30

lived that was amazing they can't even

36:32

see the air mattresses in there they

36:34

had no idea so that's how that's

36:37

how this whole thing got started got

36:39

started here got started here So this

36:41

day is his first debut at the

36:43

January 23rd 1966 National Date Festival in

36:46

India California. Oh. Yeah, not bring a

36:48

date. Yes, exactly. Not bring a date.

36:50

Eat some dates. Right. No, it's not.

36:52

Indio is like. Indias on the way

36:54

to LA. Yeah, date lands down, oh

36:57

yeah, San Diego. Yeah, that's the other,

36:59

it's on the eight, yep, it's the

37:01

other way. Yuck. Yeah, it's, India's worse

37:03

though. Oh, India's a shit hull, but

37:06

that date land, you pass it, get

37:08

your date shakes, and I get your

37:10

date shakes, and I'm like, no, so

37:12

I can shit my pants by heel

37:14

a bend. No one eats that, a

37:17

date shake anywhere in the country, anywhere

37:19

in the country, why would it be

37:21

tasty, Have a date shake. It's 119.

37:23

Yeah, thanks. No, I'll have a normal

37:26

flavor, thank you. Not really on the

37:28

menu. Can I eat strawberry? So at

37:30

least I can have diarrhea and be

37:32

okay with myself. Next time you go

37:35

to Dairy Queen or any place like

37:37

that. That's what they have dates. They

37:39

get a date shake. What the fuck

37:41

are you talking about? Weirdo. So evil

37:43

for this performance, he does wheelies. He

37:46

crashes through the plywood that's set on

37:48

fire. That's an old trick that he

37:50

did there. He jumped over two pickup

37:52

trucks. All right. And it's a big,

37:55

there's a big success. Yeah. A lot

37:57

of people have. that start asking them

37:59

to bring the show where they are.

38:01

Yeah, people show up. That's a heavy

38:03

fucking bike to be thrown over two

38:06

trucks. Oh yeah, that's, you gotta get

38:08

a lot of air to, you gotta

38:10

let the momentum be, because it doesn't

38:12

just fucking jump, you know what I

38:15

mean? And a dirt bike, you can

38:17

throw those fucking everywhere. But these are

38:19

so heavy, six, eight hundred pounds. And

38:21

that's, he's talking about too, like the

38:24

fact that you have to get like.

38:26

The back wheel has to be really

38:28

torquing off right at the right time

38:30

on the jump to get the right

38:32

angle and there's a lot of there's

38:35

a lot of nuance to it I

38:37

guess they can't just go fast and

38:39

fucking fly off the end of it

38:41

there has to be a certain that's

38:44

a thing but not like this not

38:46

like this you got to get up

38:48

you got to get lift but the

38:50

second he gets booked to do a

38:52

show in him at California but it

38:55

rained which it never rains there so

38:57

that's should be a sign for evil

38:59

The next performance was in Barstow, California,

39:01

and this is the one where he's

39:04

going to try a new stunt here,

39:06

where he's going to jump. Okay, a

39:08

motorcycle's coming at him. Someone's going to

39:10

drive at him at full speed, and

39:13

he's going to jump up in the

39:15

air and have it go under him,

39:17

like a leapfrog. Okay, yeah, they're doing

39:19

that on Instagram today. Yeah, probably CGI,

39:21

but okay. They've been doing that since

39:24

the 60s. Wow. To go over it.

39:26

Well, that's the thing and he's got

39:28

a guy that you he's in his

39:30

stunt crew There's a guy that usually

39:33

does it But he fucked himself up

39:35

and got hurt so evil's like fucking.

39:37

I'll just do it I've got I've

39:39

got the and the other guy's the

39:41

Achilles for this the other guy's name

39:44

is like jumping John something like his

39:46

his whole act is that he jumps

39:48

real high. Yeah, I'm a fucking 5-11

39:50

guy from Butte? I can jump over

39:53

as a fucking motorcycle. He's out of

39:55

his mind. So I jump motorcycles. So

39:57

same thing. Oh man. Here's an article

39:59

in the Desert Dispatch newspaper about this.

40:01

This is from February 11th 1966 after

40:04

the Barstow show and it says evil

40:06

can evil and his motorcycle dare devils

40:08

of Hollywood. making it sound real fancy.

40:10

We'll be here in Barstow this Saturday

40:13

performing the 12th and 13th for all

40:15

interested spectators at the Barstow Raceway. They're

40:17

talking about it's, oh, it will feature

40:19

a special contest in bike riding for

40:22

kids under 18. In order to win

40:24

a participant must pedal his or her

40:26

bicycle farther on one wheel than other

40:28

contestants. You gotta do a fucking wheelie.

40:30

And you win a US savings bond

40:33

of $25. You win some shit that'll

40:35

be worth $25 in 15 years, enjoy.

40:37

You get $25 later. Which will be

40:39

worth way less by the time you

40:42

cash this, by the way. Yeah. So

40:44

the show spotlights the longest ramp-to-ramp jump

40:46

in the world, a stunt which is

40:48

performed by Evil Can Evil. In this

40:50

spectacular event, a motorcycle is ridden off

40:53

a 32-foot ramp at nearly 70 miles

40:55

an hour. It sails approximately 80 feet

40:57

through the air over the top of

40:59

two, three, a quarter ton trucks parked

41:02

end to end, then lands on another

41:04

ramp. It is the only known jump

41:06

of this tremendous distance throughout the world.

41:08

Other stunts which evil, which Canevil performs,

41:11

include a five in a row firewall

41:13

crash and riding a motorcycle on 60

41:15

miles an hour on one wheel while

41:17

standing on the seat. Which sounds... I

41:19

mean, kids, I see guys do that

41:22

up my street all the fucking time.

41:24

And I yell, crash, crash, crash, crash,

41:26

and have all the cars behind you

41:28

run over your corpse. You fucking here.

41:31

Where are the deer when you need

41:33

this? Oh God. Come a cozy Pearl

41:35

Harbor this day. Fucking A. Oh, please.

41:37

God, just run right out. Make him

41:39

fuck. It probably wouldn't even hurt the

41:42

deer. No. Oh God, no. They keep

41:44

running. They keep running. Yeah, well if

41:46

he just like hit him with his

41:48

chest, you know what I mean? Yeah,

41:51

he also has quote, Butch the Midget

41:53

Daredevil. Okay. this guy that's look at

41:55

the ad here it is featuring butch

41:57

the minute there now he's got it

42:00

this was a poor little guy who

42:02

yeah I say a poor little guy

42:04

because evil just abused this guy so

42:06

bad basically. He gave him a little

42:08

mini motorcycle that doesn't ride very well

42:11

and made him do like crazy stunt

42:13

shit and he used to just crash

42:15

all the time because he wasn't good

42:17

at it. And evil was just like,

42:20

that's alright, crash and's part of it.

42:22

I crash all the time too. But

42:24

if you're a little person you got

42:26

different health problems too and shit. So

42:28

a fucked up little person is real

42:31

fucked up physically. And they made it

42:33

like silly, like he would ride his

42:35

motorcycle into an outhouse. Yeah. Like, you

42:37

know, supposedly by accident and then the

42:40

outhouse would collapse, you know what I

42:42

mean? And he'd be standing there with

42:44

the motorcycle and shit like that. It

42:46

was like a little common, like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-a-da-a-da-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a

42:48

more dangerous honestly right so the book

42:51

says he he stood there waiting And

42:53

the guy driving, who's the guy who

42:55

usually did the jumping, but now he's

42:57

going to be the driver because he's

43:00

hurt, he fucked up his leg. He

43:02

came from the direction at the speed

43:04

he was supposed to go, and evil

43:06

fucking jumped, not quite high enough. I

43:09

will... Let you fill in the blanks

43:11

of what fucking happened. If you try

43:13

to leapfrog a motorcycle going 60 miles

43:15

an hour, what would happen? And he

43:17

took a man's helmet to the chest.

43:20

65 miles an hour in the ball

43:22

sack. Well, not in the head. He

43:24

said, quote, he described the point of

43:26

impact as, quote, the handlebars hit me

43:29

right in the balls. He didn't even

43:31

get the bars. That's how far away

43:33

he was from successfully completing this fucking

43:35

thing. He may as well have not

43:37

even jumped. He didn't even practice. This

43:40

was the first time he ever tried

43:42

to do it. How do you think

43:44

that? gonna go man. Yeah he didn't

43:46

say come at me at 20 and

43:49

see if I can do it then

43:51

come at me at 30 and we'll

43:53

work on it from there and I'll

43:55

build he just say fucking fire it

43:58

up let's go I'm ready and those

44:00

motorcycles back then you would lean over

44:02

to put your foot down they were

44:04

so high oh yeah like so if

44:06

you get up on it you're actually

44:09

taller than you usually are. He thought

44:11

he could leapfrog six feet. He thought

44:13

he could get his taint six feet

44:15

off the ground, which is... That's insane.

44:18

If he could do that, he could

44:20

reverse dunk for Christ's sake. He wouldn't

44:22

need to do this. And a lot

44:24

of people can do that. Remember, remember

44:26

when you're in high school, your friend

44:29

would run up behind you, grab your

44:31

shoulders and throw him off over you?

44:33

You can do that. But you can't

44:35

do that when a guy's nickname was

44:38

jumping. Yeah, because he can jump. He

44:40

could jump. he it flipped him into

44:42

the air he fucking tumbled and flipped

44:44

yeah flew off into the fucking dirt

44:47

and he was all messed up i

44:49

mean it's hurt he got hurt bad

44:51

this was one of the worst injuries

44:53

he's like ever had that like took

44:55

him out for the longest he got

44:58

taken to the hospital show is over

45:00

at that point uh... he had cracked

45:02

ribs and bruises and all sorts of

45:04

sprains way less broken bones in some

45:07

of them but It fucked him up

45:09

good. His friend said he was hurt

45:11

really bad. In fact, I don't think

45:13

he was ever healthy again. This was

45:15

the start. I think he was always

45:18

hurt after this. This was the start

45:20

of something is wrong, so he's got

45:22

a... compensate and then he hurts himself

45:24

that way and it just keeps going

45:27

on and on forever basically. I don't

45:29

know that he's ever said it ever

45:31

publicly but I'll bet this is why

45:33

Johnny Knoxville does what he does. Oh

45:35

I'm I guarantee his age absolutely yeah

45:38

he's of that certain age he grew

45:40

up with this shit. Jackass does not

45:42

exist without evil can evil. Absolutely no

45:44

way. Nothing like that exists without this

45:47

is what it. I'm gonna do something

45:49

crazy watch it. I probably won't even

45:51

pull it off which will. be just

45:53

as entertaining. The reason I say that

45:56

is because the bold incident that were

45:58

he took a ball, you know what

46:00

I mean? He was blindfolded and took

46:02

a ball. That's the same thing that

46:04

evil just did. He just didn't have

46:07

a blindfold and the ball runs 65.

46:09

Guarantee you, Johnny Knoxville, had that evil,

46:11

can evil, ideal toy, the one with

46:13

the little bike that did it's like,

46:16

Gary, we had that, like, no doubt.

46:18

So they said that he was hurt

46:20

really bad and they also said that

46:22

he never did that again. Yeah. Never

46:24

did never tried that because he wasn't

46:27

didn't even get close to it So

46:29

it was like that was stupid. Yeah,

46:31

I can't jump that high Not even

46:33

half I'll be honest. So the problem

46:36

is when you're a daredevil and you

46:38

make your living doing these shows when

46:40

you hurt yourself and can't do it

46:42

again for four months You're not getting

46:45

paid. Yeah, there's no money there. So

46:47

it's really bad. He was in the

46:49

hospital. He was released Yeah, he I

46:51

guess he went back to They said

46:53

he was going to do another show

46:56

the next week though there and Yeah,

46:58

he said he was going to try

47:00

to do it Oh the other guy

47:02

riding the bike was also in the

47:05

hospital. Yeah, because he crashed a he

47:07

hit a man on a motorcycle He

47:09

took a man to the chest He

47:11

could fucking crashed a motorcycle. Yeah, so

47:13

yeah, can evil vowed to return to

47:16

Barstow to complete the performance when he

47:18

will attempt to successfully repeat the stunt

47:20

which he was injured with which he

47:22

never does He never does that, just

47:25

he wants to do the other thing.

47:27

So the first booking outside of Southern

47:29

California was scheduled for postfalls Idaho June

47:31

1st 1966 at the state line Speedway

47:34

and the state lines because it's between

47:36

Idaho and Washington and it's right there.

47:38

So he brings his whole fucking little

47:40

circus up there. His one partner Tim

47:42

Perrier who's one of the guys who's

47:45

given the money and all that kind

47:47

of shit started to have doubts about

47:49

all the whole thing now. He

47:52

saw the way evil operated and he said

47:54

that I don't know what I'm here for

47:56

basically this guy's he spends he does all

47:58

the everything on his own and spends all

48:00

the money too. So I don't know why

48:02

I'm here, like I'm getting nothing out of

48:04

this whatsoever. So he said he made all

48:06

the decisions. He said, Cannival ordered him around

48:08

the same way he ordered everyone else around.

48:10

Said, Cannival was in charge of everything. He

48:13

said, this wasn't exactly a partnership of any

48:15

kind. He never said, what do you think?

48:17

There was never any of that shit. It

48:19

was just, go do that. Not even your

48:21

help. That's it. This guy said

48:23

everything was about him. He was convinced

48:25

he was going to be famous. We'd

48:28

go into a bar and he would

48:30

have himself paged. What? Oh wow! He

48:32

would go outside call the bar from a

48:34

phone booth just to have his name

48:36

spoken over the loudspeaker. He did that always

48:39

by the way. He'd do that in Vegas.

48:41

What a great move! It's a famous

48:43

old fucking move to look cool. Yeah, how

48:45

that's people do that movies to try to

48:48

look cool love themselves page will be

48:50

so oh, oh, that's me. Yeah, they must

48:52

leave me. Yeah, and you walk away and

48:54

the women are like, oh boy, he

48:56

must be important. He's being paged at the

48:59

bar. That's free advertisement. That's the way

49:01

he looks at it. That's advertisement

49:03

he can get for free. He

49:05

has no fucking conscience about any

49:08

form of trickery or bullshit or

49:10

bullshit or anything. later is insane.

49:12

It's all bullshit. He just bullshits

49:14

his way into it. It's great.

49:16

He pretends to be a lawyer.

49:19

It's wild stuff. So, wow. So,

49:21

one of the guys, the Perrier

49:23

guys, talking about something that's stuck

49:25

in his mind that happened before

49:28

this, he said that they were,

49:30

that it was Christmas time, this

49:32

is a few months earlier, and

49:34

he heard evil say that he

49:37

didn't have any ornaments for his

49:39

Christmas tree, for his family. puts

49:41

on his Christmas tree in Michigan

49:43

and he felt bad for evil

49:46

so he brought the box to

49:48

the track where evil was

49:50

practicing and gave it to him.

49:52

Nice. So he said that was nice.

49:54

He said somehow the box wound up

49:57

tied to evil's roof rack of

49:59

his car. Somehow Parrier was in the

50:01

car and the box hadn't been tied

50:03

tight enough and went flying off the

50:05

car into the road. Oh no. So

50:07

Parrier said, oh shit, all the ornaments

50:09

flew back and evil said, ah, fuck

50:12

those and kept going. So he said,

50:14

I don't care about those at all.

50:16

I just gave those to you. Ten

50:18

minutes ago. You could have just stopped

50:20

and we could have picked them up.

50:22

And evil said no. This guy has

50:24

no, doesn't think about anyone else's feelings

50:26

but his feelings but his own. Doesn't

50:28

give a fuck. He said, those were

50:31

my ornaments that my family had. I

50:33

was being nice and giving them to

50:35

him. I would have at least liked

50:37

them back if he didn't want them,

50:39

not just leaving them on the highway.

50:41

Yeah, he was like, this was in,

50:43

you know, he said, I thought I

50:45

was giving him something important that he

50:47

would appreciate and he didn't give a

50:50

god damn shit about it. So, he

50:52

was just pitching about not having ornaments

50:54

one day. That we talked and they

50:56

said that, that, uh... This guy said

50:58

two things happened right before this is

51:00

Perrier guy said. He said first was

51:02

he discovered evil had spent twice almost

51:04

three times as much money for publicity

51:06

and advertising as they had agreed to

51:09

spend. Oh. He wants to see his

51:11

name in print. Period. He never consulted

51:13

this guy, he just spent the money.

51:15

And at one point, Parrier asked him

51:17

how much have we spent on advertising

51:19

and evil lied to him about it.

51:21

So... Oh, really? Yeah, it's beyond just

51:23

slipping between the cracks. He actually lies.

51:25

The second thing happened in a strip

51:28

club. Go on. Okay. Now, it's Parrier

51:30

Canevil and a couple of the daredevils

51:32

went to the strip club, which you

51:34

can imagine that's gonna be a... That's

51:36

worse than a football team going on

51:38

a strip club. These fucking lunaticsics. So

51:40

there was one stripper there one of

51:42

the dancers paid extra attention to this

51:44

parier guy liked him for whatever fucking

51:46

reason And you know they were talking

51:49

and flirting and all this type of

51:51

shit beyond the normal strip club You

51:53

know back and forth here either she

51:55

genuinely liked him or she's really good

51:57

something in him that she could get

51:59

more money something yeah whatever the whatever

52:01

it is but keneval was pissed because

52:03

he liked her and he was trying

52:05

to flirt with her the whole night

52:08

and she wasn't flirting with him she

52:10

was flirting with the other guy yeah

52:12

so that was what the maybe so

52:14

yeah that's that's a big deal so

52:16

evil kept getting matter and matter and

52:18

matter obviously you know you can't like

52:20

him you're supposed to like me because

52:22

everyone's supposed to just pay attention to

52:24

me yeah I'm the guy so as

52:27

parrier talk can evil kicked him under

52:29

the under the under the table And

52:31

he said it wasn't like a you

52:33

know a kick like hey, you know,

52:35

we're gonna go do something one of

52:37

those He said it was a hard

52:39

kick that really hurt Yeah, and he

52:41

said my first inclination was to punch

52:43

him in the face because that was

52:46

my first like what the fuck you

52:48

doing and this barrier guy said I

52:50

couldn't figure it out I was single.

52:52

He was a married guy. I was

52:54

just talking to the girl and he

52:56

was upset that she wasn't interested in

52:58

him Wow, that's the kind of guy

53:00

evil is Even a stripper that you're

53:02

talking to no no no you can't

53:05

even have that I need right It's

53:07

wild She doesn't want either of you.

53:09

She's probably wants the other stripper in

53:11

all in all probably she probably would

53:13

just like to go home to her

53:15

boyfriend Well, yeah, well nowadays most strippers

53:17

are Lesbian or at least by at

53:19

this point. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. That's

53:21

that's the way it goes now. I

53:24

mean I carry the way no Not

53:26

trying to take him home, just trying

53:28

to have a good time. The scores

53:30

book, the guy was saying that he

53:32

said 80% of the girls had girlfriends,

53:34

not boyfriends, and they would get these

53:36

old guys on the hook and they

53:38

think they had a relationship and it

53:40

was they're just spending it all with

53:43

their girlfriend and laughing at this old

53:45

guy. It's kind of funny. You're just,

53:47

do you think that this is a

53:49

transaction that's really going on with you?

53:51

It's wild. So this parrier guy said

53:53

that was it, he got out of

53:55

the partnership. and he said he was

53:57

mad about the money that was spent

53:59

without him but he said mad about

54:01

all that shit but he told evil

54:04

he was done he said i bought

54:06

a bus ticket back to l a

54:08

i'm out of here he cost him

54:10

$36,000 where he's in debt, this guy.

54:12

Oh Jesus. Yep. And he said all

54:14

he saw was the number getting bigger.

54:16

He didn't see any way that that

54:18

was going to cut down. And he

54:20

said, maybe if I had a partner

54:23

I could trust. I would have done

54:25

it, but not this guy. He said,

54:27

I took my chance. It wasn't as

54:29

crazy as it sounds now. This was

54:31

Hollywood, where people mortgaged their houses to

54:33

make a movie. It took me a

54:35

long time to pay off that money,

54:37

$36,000, but I can't complain. I was

54:39

young, and I learned a lesson, never

54:42

going to business with someone you can't

54:44

trust. That was a good lesson to

54:46

learn. That's a real good one. Too

54:48

bad it cost him, $36,000,000, $36, $36,000,000,000,

54:50

and $16,000, $16,000, $16,000,000, $16,000,000, $16,000,000,000,000,000, $16,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

54:52

That's a lot of money. If someone

54:54

did that I would fucking be very

54:56

upset with that shit, especially if I

54:58

didn't have it. Yeah, especially if I

55:01

didn't have it like I was in

55:03

debt that money. It wasn't like, oh,

55:05

I had a big trust fund and

55:07

it just took a bunch out of

55:09

it. But the debt is a lot.

55:11

So evil said, please, no. He tried

55:13

to convince him, but the guy said,

55:15

no, can't do it. And this guy

55:17

said, uh, Perrier said, the show should

55:20

have worked. Bob had a great idea,

55:22

had a lot of things going for

55:24

him, everything was there, except it was

55:26

just a click off. Bob did things

55:28

where he couldn't help himself. It was

55:30

all about Bob Knievel. He wanted to

55:32

get ahead. And if someone was in

55:34

his way, he'd just kick him down

55:36

the side of the mountain. That was

55:39

the way he was. Okay. So, the

55:41

dare devils end up breaking up after

55:43

the Barstow show. Really. Yeah, not exactly

55:45

the Rolling Stones. They really didn't last

55:47

that long. This is a short one

55:49

here. They didn't get a goodbye tour

55:51

out of this. Nothing at all here.

55:53

It was mainly just from injuries. And

55:55

the guys can't sit around waiting for

55:58

work, so they all go take other

56:00

jobs. And that was that. That's kind

56:02

of how it worked here. So after

56:04

he recovered, he started traveling from town

56:06

to town as a solo act. And

56:08

other motorcyclists started doing these jumping things,

56:10

but they were jumping animals or pools

56:12

of water and shit like that. He's

56:14

like, I'll jump shit loads of cars.

56:17

Those are... So he did that. State

56:19

Line jump was his first jump over

56:21

a string of cars. He jumped over

56:23

11 of them and declared it a

56:25

world record just because no one had

56:27

ever tried it before. I don't know

56:29

if it's happened anywhere else, but I'm

56:31

going to say I just I'm the

56:33

only one who did it. So they

56:35

were like, I guess it's a world

56:38

record. And no one else was doing

56:40

it. I mean, it wasn't like you

56:42

won the Olympics for something that was

56:44

established. So June 19, 1966. This is

56:46

he started adding more and more cars

56:48

to the jumps because he said that

56:50

he knew that then people might return

56:52

if he said I'm gonna add more

56:54

cars on so he could come back

56:57

for another one here. So he hadn't

56:59

had a serious injury in a couple

57:01

months which is good for him. Sure

57:03

sure. June 19th 1966 in Missoula is

57:05

when he's going to attempt to jump

57:07

12 cars and a cargo van. And

57:09

the van. So, that's what's going on

57:11

here. He tries, he's trying to break

57:13

his world record that's three weeks old.

57:16

Okay. There, fuck. So, he learned, and

57:18

this is from the book here, that

57:20

the most important component for making these

57:22

jumps was to reach a proper speed

57:24

at liftoff. Had to do that. Too

57:26

much speed, you overshoot the target. You

57:28

overshoot the target. You overshoot the target.

57:30

Titty Tedesci's death ride. What was his

57:32

name? A guy, I can't remember, yes,

57:35

exactly. You know what I mean. So

57:37

he learned that that's the thing. Now

57:39

this time he thought he had nailed

57:41

it, but he was a little short.

57:43

Yeah. The speedometer said he was going

57:45

fast enough, but he wasn't fast enough.

57:47

The speedometer was wrong. He figured out

57:49

later the wheel must have spun in

57:51

some gravel on the way to the

57:54

takeoff that made the speedometer say faster,

57:56

but the bikeses not moving faster. You

57:58

know the difference. We can't be, we

58:00

can't fool physics, that's the fun part

58:02

about it, it knows. So that's what

58:04

he figured out, and he figured out

58:06

that that is what happened. So after

58:08

this, he never looks at the speedometer

58:10

again on a jump. He goes completely

58:13

by feel. Really? Goes 100% by feel.

58:15

Spidometer in my chest. That's where I

58:17

know where it is. It never looked

58:19

at another speedometer again because he didn't

58:21

trust him. He only trusted his balls.

58:23

The feeling in his balls. His recovered

58:25

balls. So that's his problem here. He

58:27

clears the 12 cars. But the back

58:29

wheel of the motorcycle clipped the cargo

58:32

van at the end. He's not good

58:34

with that back tire. Not great with

58:36

that. That's a big deal too. The

58:38

motorcycle went flying. He went to the

58:40

hospital. He had a severely broken arm,

58:42

cuts all over and broken ribs. And

58:45

yeah, for men on, no spinometer. He

58:47

did give a quote to the newspaper

58:49

in Missoula saying, I'm sorry that we

58:51

didn't give the folks a better show.

58:53

I promise we'll come back and jump

58:56

again in Missoula. And then he loved

58:58

showing the reporters his wounds. Yeah. Because

59:00

they were fascinated by it. This

59:02

guy's fucking crazy. What did you

59:04

do to yourself? That's what gets

59:06

it. Yeah. One of them said

59:08

his arm looked like a

59:11

stitch-together baseball. It's all okay. Yeah,

59:13

it's a mess, like big stitches here.

59:15

So yeah, not enough speed, all fucked

59:18

up, but the publicity from the crash. Yeah.

59:20

Was way bigger than the publicity, publicity from

59:22

the race if you made. Absolutely. They all

59:24

covered the crash. So, now the Grand Canyon

59:27

is the famous one he wanted to jump. He

59:29

kept telling everyone he's going to jump the

59:31

Grand Canyon. The, it's on a reservation unfortunately

59:33

the party wanted to land on and they

59:36

obviously weren't going to let him do that.

59:38

No, you're not going to fucking come over

59:40

here at your stupid motorcycle. You're not going

59:42

to fly into this place. No, yeah, yeah,

59:44

yeah, you've got to walk in or drive

59:47

in or drive in or drive in or

59:49

drive in or something. So he's at a

59:51

place called, there's a guy named Good Time

59:53

Charlie, they all call him here. Good Charlie

59:56

Shelton, and he lives in Calisbell Montana, and

59:58

this is where he stayed after. got released

1:00:00

from the hospital. He stayed with

1:00:02

this guy for a while here.

1:00:05

Now he had another show scheduled

1:00:07

in a couple days at some

1:00:09

campground in Calispell. That's why he

1:00:11

was staying up there. It's an

1:00:13

RV park actually is where he

1:00:15

was. Oh nice. Yeah. So basically

1:00:18

whatever campers were there, they said

1:00:20

maybe 50 people. This is going

1:00:22

to be four. So and his

1:00:24

arms in a cast. He's all

1:00:26

fucked up. He appears but he

1:00:28

doesn't jump because he's all messed

1:00:31

up here. So he told Good

1:00:33

Time Charlie that he cleared $400

1:00:35

from the Missoula jump and then

1:00:37

paid over $300 in hospital costs.

1:00:39

So he put on for- Like

1:00:41

a comic paying, paying parking and

1:00:44

travel. Whenever we look at these

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road features and we go, how

1:00:48

do you survive? This is what

1:00:50

he doing. Yeah, cost you $400

1:00:52

to get there and you made

1:00:54

$350. What are you doing? Have

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you ever gotten a message out

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of the blue? Maybe you ignore

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them. Or maybe you end up

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in conversation. Maybe they tell you

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about an amazing offer. I can

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really show you how to make

1:01:10

some money. And maybe that gets

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you into a lot of trouble.

1:01:14

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1:01:18

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From iHeart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV

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podcast, Crook County. I got recruited

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into the mob when I

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an enforcer for the legendary

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1:03:09

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life out of this guy. He

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lived a secret double life

1:03:15

as a firefighter paramedic for the

1:03:17

Chicago Fire Department. I had

1:03:19

a wife and I had two

1:03:21

children. Nobody knew anything. People

1:03:23

are dying. Is he doing this

1:03:25

every night? Torn between two

1:03:27

worlds. I'm covering up murders that

1:03:29

these cops are doing. He

1:03:31

was a f*****g crazy man. We

1:03:34

don't know who he is,

1:03:36

really. He is my father, and

1:03:38

I had no idea about

1:03:40

any of this until now. Welcome

1:03:42

to Crook County, available now.

1:03:44

Listen for free on the iHeart

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Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or

1:03:48

wherever you get your podcasts. What's

1:03:50

wrong with you? So he

1:03:52

said that he put on four

1:03:54

shows and had been seriously

1:03:56

injured in two of them. So

1:03:58

that's not good. No. That's

1:04:00

a bad deal there. So if you're

1:04:02

a stat person, that's not

1:04:04

a good stat. Those are

1:04:06

terrible stats. Terrible stats. So Charlie

1:04:09

said, good time Charlie, they're

1:04:11

drinking. And he said, you know what you

1:04:13

have to do? You have to jump something

1:04:15

big. He said, nobody gives a shit

1:04:17

if you jump 13 Volkswagen's or whatever

1:04:20

it was, you jump to Missoula. If

1:04:22

you're going to take the risk, you

1:04:24

have to jump something that will get

1:04:26

people's attention, something big. You're going to

1:04:29

get fucked up anyway. Might as well

1:04:31

be worth it. You have to jump

1:04:33

soldier field in Chicago. You have to

1:04:35

jump the Washington Monument. You have to

1:04:37

jump the Grand Canyon, he said. You got

1:04:40

to jump something that's miles wide. You have

1:04:42

to do it. People will go, but they'll

1:04:44

know who you are. You can make a

1:04:46

spectacle of it, I'm going to jump the

1:04:48

Grand Canyon, then you jump like a 20-foot

1:04:50

gap of the Grand Canyon. Yeah, exactly. See?

1:04:53

I did it. I could have fallen three

1:04:55

miles to my death, see? It's only a

1:04:57

20-foot gap, but I did it. I did

1:04:59

it. So he said as soon as those

1:05:01

words came out of his mouth, his evil

1:05:03

turn to his wife who was in the

1:05:06

kitchen and said, Linda, I'm going to jump

1:05:08

the Grand Canyon. Well, it settled.

1:05:10

She went settled. She went, like, like,

1:05:12

like, like, like, sure. Nope, like she didn't

1:05:14

even have an argument. Imagine, I just

1:05:16

thought if I went and told Sarah,

1:05:18

I'm gonna jump the Grand Canyon, there'd

1:05:20

be conversation. Rightfully so. No, it's

1:05:22

not being a pain in the ass,

1:05:24

it's... Not that one. There'd be conversation.

1:05:27

What are you fucking stupid would be

1:05:29

the first thing she'd say. Well no

1:05:31

you're not. Yeah you're not doing that.

1:05:33

You're a moron. Stop that shit. So

1:05:35

it was that's all from then on

1:05:37

all he said all he told everybody

1:05:39

was I'm gonna jump the Grand Canyon

1:05:41

I'm gonna jump the Grand Canyon that's

1:05:44

when he'd start going to bars and

1:05:46

everything like that just saying that

1:05:48

and crazy at one point here

1:05:50

he and good time Charlie that

1:05:52

afternoon went to Moose's saloon which

1:05:54

was owned by a guy named Moose Miller

1:05:56

who played football for the University of Montana

1:05:59

at one point. and evil soon as he

1:06:01

sat down pointed to a picture on the

1:06:03

wall and said that's the grand

1:06:05

canyon and i'm gonna jump over

1:06:07

that one a motorcycle and by the

1:06:09

way it wasn't even the grand

1:06:11

canyon it was flathead lake that

1:06:13

the picture was but didn't matter

1:06:16

it's a hole with water in it

1:06:18

that's gotta be the grand canyon

1:06:20

it's fucking hilarious and so Later

1:06:22

on, when the story got out,

1:06:24

people, reporters would call and say,

1:06:26

do you still have that picture

1:06:28

up? And they go, no, no,

1:06:30

we don't. We don't have the

1:06:32

Grand Canyon up anymore. Ha

1:06:34

ha. We never know. So,

1:06:36

Keneval went to a local

1:06:38

television station that night to

1:06:40

promote his RV park appearance.

1:06:42

That's a very local television

1:06:45

station. Appearing at the RV

1:06:47

park tonight's this fucking idiot.

1:06:49

Here, come on in. Yeah.

1:06:51

He's promoting the RV park.

1:06:54

Yep, and he's doing this

1:06:56

with this. And he's instead

1:06:58

promoting a thing that doesn't

1:07:01

even exist. Right. Rather than

1:07:03

a thing that might make

1:07:05

him a couple bucks later

1:07:08

tonight. It certainly exists. It's

1:07:10

definitely happening. He even said,

1:07:12

good time Charlie said, quote,

1:07:15

he said that Robert F.

1:07:17

Kennedy was going to be there.

1:07:19

No, he didn't. Well, he was alive

1:07:21

for this job, but no. Yeah, yeah,

1:07:24

yeah. A fucking, the attorney general,

1:07:26

former attorney general at the time,

1:07:28

and future presidential candidate in 68,

1:07:30

wasn't going to show up to

1:07:33

scrape you off the fucking floor

1:07:35

of the other side of the

1:07:37

Grand Canyon. And also, not a

1:07:39

fucking doctor at all, a lawyer.

1:07:41

So, right away comes out in

1:07:44

the newspaper. Here's the news and

1:07:46

observer, October 18th, 1966 leap over

1:07:48

Grand Canyon. Doesn't exist. No

1:07:50

one's planning anything. Yeah. They say Robert,

1:07:52

evil, and evil of Bute, who plans

1:07:55

to attempt to leap the Grand Canyon

1:07:57

on a motorcycle, says he'll take the

1:07:59

flying leap. sometime in November

1:08:02

1967. Again, a date

1:08:04

pulled directly from his ass

1:08:06

all. Sometime in 67. Yep, he

1:08:08

said he'll be in Arizona next

1:08:10

week to examine a point on

1:08:12

the northern Grand Canyon, which is

1:08:15

said to be 3,000 feet deep

1:08:17

on one side and 2,000 feet

1:08:19

deep on the other. The professional

1:08:21

cyclists said he will display the

1:08:23

machine and his jumping abilities at

1:08:25

Daytona, Florida, during speed week in

1:08:27

March. The specially rigged cycle will

1:08:29

have two side-mounted jet engines and

1:08:31

a Delta wing. Can evil said.

1:08:33

What? Pulled that out of his

1:08:35

ass, too. That never happened in

1:08:37

his career. Well it did in

1:08:39

State Canyon. He had the rockets. He

1:08:41

had the rocket bike, the jet bike

1:08:43

he called it. I don't remember this

1:08:45

at all. The steak is, what crashed,

1:08:48

he crashed. It didn't work. It was

1:08:50

almost, but he wasn't like, it was

1:08:52

like a motorcycle in an enclosure thing,

1:08:54

so it was like a little rocket

1:08:56

ship thing. crazy so he had no

1:08:58

control over anything it was not perfect

1:09:01

yeah we'll talk all about that don't

1:09:03

you worry he said that the the

1:09:05

cycle will be equipped with parachutes it

1:09:07

says here's how here's how he plans

1:09:09

to make the leap which could range

1:09:11

from one mile or more across the

1:09:13

canyon a mile or more or more when

1:09:16

the sky cycle that's what he was

1:09:18

calling him at the time leaves the

1:09:20

takeoff ramp can evil must have attained

1:09:22

the speed of a hundred and thirty

1:09:24

miles an hour At that point, one

1:09:27

jet engine cuts in to accelerate

1:09:29

to about 300 miles an hour

1:09:31

through the sky. 300! 300! On

1:09:33

a motorcycle? Well, it's got an

1:09:35

enclosure, but still, that's crazy. And

1:09:37

they said, so you think that'll

1:09:39

work? And he said, hopefully. Well,

1:09:42

fingers cross, it doesn't even

1:09:44

exist yet. Yep, it's

1:09:46

in everywhere. Arizona Daily

1:09:48

Star, Daredevil Motorcyclist to zoom

1:09:50

over Canyon. Like it's like it's

1:09:53

going to happen. That's what's so

1:09:55

fucking funny. They talk about, he

1:09:57

said, yes, I've been aware of

1:09:59

some people. at me as if I'm

1:10:01

some kind of weird bird, but that

1:10:03

only lasts only until they get to

1:10:05

know me. I'm not some not just

1:10:07

looking for publicity. That is exactly

1:10:09

what he is. I know that

1:10:12

if anyone can ride a motorcycle

1:10:14

across the Grand Canyon, I can.

1:10:16

They thought Charles Lindbergh was a weird

1:10:19

one too, when he said he could

1:10:21

fly across the Atlantic. They stole his

1:10:23

baby and then celebrated him. And he

1:10:25

showed them that it could be done.

1:10:27

I only hope that they'll be behind

1:10:29

me or pull for me. But planes

1:10:31

existed back then. That's the thing. He just said,

1:10:33

I'll fly it farther. This is, I'm going to

1:10:35

make a motorcycle that also is a jet engine.

1:10:38

That's insane. I'm going to make a motorcycle

1:10:40

that doesn't exist. That is fucking insane. He

1:10:42

said once he leaves the ramp of the

1:10:44

north rim of the world's biggest gully,

1:10:46

however, it's going to take a whole

1:10:48

lot more than people pulling for him

1:10:50

to get him to get him to

1:10:52

get him to get him to get

1:10:54

him to get him to get him

1:10:56

to get him across. So he said

1:10:59

he's planned and prepared, but he's just

1:11:01

getting started now. He's still, he'll still

1:11:03

be planning when he mounts the sky

1:11:05

cycle for the once in a lifetime

1:11:07

try at the impossible. He said, I've

1:11:09

got over $100,000 invested in my equipment,

1:11:11

says the handsome blonde daredevil, and the

1:11:13

rockets at Cape Kennedy don't get better

1:11:15

care or go through more inspections. Couldn't

1:11:17

be less true. His shit that he

1:11:19

put, it just slaps it together and

1:11:21

goes, I think that's fast enough and

1:11:23

tries to fly over fucking things, he's

1:11:25

crazy. He said, I went to the

1:11:27

Grand Canyon a couple weeks ago and

1:11:29

looked over the terrain. I've picked a

1:11:31

spot where I hope to cross, it's

1:11:33

a mile and a half north to

1:11:35

south, mile and a half. I said, but I

1:11:37

still have to arrange it with the Bureau

1:11:39

of Indian Affairs and the Forest Service

1:11:42

for permission to use the spot. They

1:11:44

won't let me jump in the park

1:11:46

in the park in the park itself.

1:11:48

No shit, I guess here, obviously.

1:11:50

So he says he's been riding

1:11:52

motorcycles since he was seven, but

1:11:55

he's gonna put, never had one with

1:11:57

a rocket on it. So he said,

1:11:59

each jet. will deliver 370

1:12:02

pounds of thrust

1:12:04

with 3,320 horsepower.

1:12:07

Okay. 3,000 horsepower.

1:12:10

He said each of these jet engines

1:12:12

can propel a motorcycle with a man

1:12:14

aboard from a dead stop to 158

1:12:16

miles an hour in 3.71 seconds. Oh

1:12:18

my god. So that's some zero to

1:12:21

60 time right there. Jet engine fuel,

1:12:23

right? I would have said it's a

1:12:25

fucking jet engine. He says he doesn't

1:12:28

plan to use the jets until the

1:12:30

exact instant he hurdles off the 100

1:12:32

foot high takeoff ramp. He said, but

1:12:34

I'm not sure how long it'll be

1:12:37

just quite yet. The ramp. The jets

1:12:39

will burn for only 14 seconds, he

1:12:41

says. So I don't want to waste them

1:12:43

on the ground. None of these things are

1:12:45

times and any of this should exist. He

1:12:47

pulled all these numbers out of his ass.

1:12:49

He doesn't have the fuel. He doesn't have

1:12:51

the tank and or the engine that's going

1:12:53

to know how it's going to burn that.

1:12:56

Or the permission to do it or any

1:12:58

of these things. This is just out of

1:13:00

out of his ass. It's wild. He says

1:13:02

he figures he'll leave it at 150 miles

1:13:04

an hour and he fires up the jets

1:13:06

and he said hopefully he'll attain an altitude

1:13:08

of 500 feet. He's gonna go 500 feet

1:13:10

in the air for a mile is

1:13:12

what he thinks? Well he said that

1:13:14

should give me 1,500 feet of altitude

1:13:16

from the north rim to the south

1:13:18

rim. For the first half mile though

1:13:21

it's 3,000 feet straight down. One thing

1:13:23

I don't want is to lose control

1:13:25

leaving the ramp and drop straight down.

1:13:27

Okay, so now he thinks he

1:13:29

has an education in science of

1:13:31

physics, trajectory and physics, this is

1:13:33

actual physics, this is what physicists

1:13:36

do. Yeah, this is, he's not

1:13:38

a physicist by the, he goes,

1:13:41

yeah, he fight, he goes, that's,

1:13:43

that feels about right, that's not

1:13:45

a physicist at all. Then

1:13:48

he says, this is the

1:13:50

fastness that I need to

1:13:52

go. And here's more bullshit.

1:13:54

Listen to this, I've dropped

1:13:56

test streamers and waited parachutes

1:13:58

into the 3,000-foot-deep section. These

1:14:00

are cross currents and down drafts. There

1:14:02

are there cross currents and down drafts

1:14:04

that'll collapse a parachute There's no way

1:14:07

a man can parachute into the canyon

1:14:09

and live That's why I have no

1:14:11

choice, but to make it a cross.

1:14:13

He didn't go there dropping parachutes down

1:14:16

and that's not even true people have

1:14:18

parachuted into the canyon. They base jump

1:14:20

into the canyon. They're out of your

1:14:23

mind He figures he'll have a pretty

1:14:25

good chance of surviving past the first

1:14:27

half mile You don't understand there's down

1:14:29

drafts. That's why the ground has

1:14:31

collapsed there. He said the caddien

1:14:34

starts rising and there are trees

1:14:36

and shrubs on the other side

1:14:38

that can help break any fall

1:14:40

if I fail. Yeah, fly into

1:14:42

the trees. That'll help. You don't

1:14:44

look at a tree as breaking

1:14:46

your fall. And it's not just

1:14:48

soft flat ground up. It's jagged

1:14:50

ass rocks. Yeah, they're not going

1:14:52

to set that up. He said,

1:14:54

the parachutes are strictly to break

1:14:56

my fall on the other side.

1:14:59

There's no way you can land

1:15:01

a motorcycle at 300 miles an

1:15:03

hour. Airplanes don't land that

1:15:05

fast. Okay? He said, when my

1:15:07

pickup team on the South Rim

1:15:09

fires a flare, that'll be my

1:15:11

signal to abandon ship. I'm hoping

1:15:13

to have 1,400 feet altitude when

1:15:15

I reach the other side so

1:15:17

that I can pop the parachute

1:15:20

open. But that's shaving it pretty

1:15:22

close. Skydivers on a static line

1:15:24

open their shoots at 3,000 feet.

1:15:26

Oh. Okay. So they keep... He said,

1:15:28

I've been back at work for only

1:15:30

a month. It's taken a lot of

1:15:32

guts for me to try leaping cars

1:15:35

after I got out of the hospital.

1:15:37

But I cleared 13 on my second

1:15:39

try at them. And on October 6th,

1:15:41

I cleared a 14. And he's

1:15:44

also working with the

1:15:46

highway patrol in filming

1:15:48

motorcycle safety films, which

1:15:50

she does nothing. So

1:15:52

those crash test dummy

1:15:54

commercials are just stealing.

1:15:56

That's what that is.

1:15:58

So man. Then they kind

1:16:00

of, it's funny too, they go into

1:16:03

his background that also hasn't

1:16:05

happened. Like, and then he says,

1:16:07

quote, I'm jumping across the Grand Canyon

1:16:09

because it's never been done and I've

1:16:12

got to do it. If anyone can,

1:16:14

I can. I'm going to give it

1:16:16

a real go. Yes, I expect to

1:16:18

make some money on the jump. I

1:16:20

figure at least a half million dollars.

1:16:22

Okay? This is my work. I enjoy

1:16:25

it and I want to be a

1:16:27

success at their business. They said, well,

1:16:29

why do you call yourself evil? Why

1:16:31

do you call yourself evil? And he

1:16:33

says, my friends used to call me evil. I

1:16:35

hated it, but they didn't. That's not what happened.

1:16:37

He says, but now I find it catchy. I changed

1:16:40

the eye to an e so no one would think I'm

1:16:42

a bad guy, though. Nobody would know you're a bad guy.

1:16:44

Yeah. Nobody, I wouldn't be advertising my shittiness. So

1:16:46

the secret doesn't get out. Yeah. And they said,

1:16:48

well, well, well, you have a wife and three

1:16:51

kids, how does your wife and three kids, how

1:16:53

does your wife feel about your wife feel about

1:16:55

your wife feel about your wife feel about your

1:16:57

wife feel about your leap. His answer should

1:17:00

have been who gives a fuck. Yeah,

1:17:02

I don't care Not my concern. I

1:17:04

don't know I tell you to ask

1:17:06

her, but I don't know where she

1:17:08

is I left her somewhere He says

1:17:10

she thinks it's wonderful. She hopes

1:17:13

I make it and retire Okay,

1:17:15

so and here is a thing

1:17:18

from the Tucson Dragway, an ad

1:17:20

from the paper here. Evil Can

1:17:22

evil motorcycle daredevils from Hollywood California,

1:17:25

see the first attempt by a

1:17:27

stuntman to parasail from behind a

1:17:30

jet car. The longest ramp-to-ramp jump

1:17:32

over at least 10-dodge cars, a

1:17:34

complete motorcycle daredevil show, plus full

1:17:37

drag race events. Show starts at

1:17:39

8 p.m. at the Tucson Dragway

1:17:41

and it says, quote, the place

1:17:44

where everyone can race. That's not

1:17:46

safe. That's not safe. That is very

1:17:48

common in everyone. They have so many

1:17:50

racetracks. I know. Well, anybody brings anything.

1:17:53

You just get to go. They just

1:17:55

have so much room to stick shit.

1:17:57

They're like, just put it over there.

1:18:00

Nothing there. As long as you wear

1:18:02

a helmet, you're allowed. So

1:18:04

December of 1966, Butte Sky Cycle

1:18:06

in Auto Show. So they said

1:18:09

he plans to jump, plans to

1:18:11

jump the Grand Canyon, they go

1:18:13

through all that crap. And he

1:18:16

says an attorney for evil, for

1:18:18

Keneville, C.E. Wellington of Pittsburgh, said

1:18:20

Keneville will try to break his

1:18:23

own record by jumping 15 vehicles

1:18:25

at the Phoenix Raceway in January.

1:18:27

Keneville previously jumped 14. He's also

1:18:30

planning to hurdle the scoreboard at

1:18:32

Soldier Field sometime this year. He

1:18:34

took that in. Okay, the scoreboard

1:18:36

is in the fucking stand. How

1:18:38

are you going to do that?

1:18:40

I can put a ramp on

1:18:42

the other side and jump to

1:18:44

the field or jump out to

1:18:46

the street, I guess. over it.

1:18:48

Yeah that's what I would imagine

1:18:50

here. So anyway they're talking about

1:18:52

also Ascot Park in Gardina California.

1:18:54

It was apparently the best motorcycle

1:18:56

racetrack in the country in 1967.

1:18:59

That's where he tried to be a

1:19:01

racer and didn't fucking work there. So

1:19:03

he there's a guy there the proprietor

1:19:05

is a guy named J.C. Agajanian.

1:19:08

He's a motorsports guy. He

1:19:10

wore a cowboy hat and a big

1:19:12

cigar. He's one of those guys there.

1:19:15

And they talked about, he was kind

1:19:17

of interested in his shit here. One

1:19:19

guy, a writer said, evil proposes to

1:19:21

jump the Grand Canyon in a motorcycle.

1:19:24

You heard me over it, not across

1:19:26

it or through it. That's in a

1:19:28

national fucking thing, which is interesting.

1:19:31

So he said, evil, when asked

1:19:33

about it, said, I told him,

1:19:35

you bet your life, I wouldn't

1:19:37

fly over the Grand Canyon and

1:19:39

anything that doesn't have stewardesses, as

1:19:41

somebody else said. Yeah, ha ha

1:19:43

ha. So, there's another part where

1:19:45

they talk about Kenevel made

1:19:47

a jump, a 15-car world

1:19:49

record without problems. This Agajanian

1:19:51

guy after the show finished,

1:19:53

this was their first time working

1:19:55

together. He was supposed to, basically

1:19:57

they had a deal, which was...

1:20:00

Evil told this guy, look, what'd

1:20:02

you do with your show last year?

1:20:04

How many tickets did you sell? He

1:20:06

said, you don't pay me a cent,

1:20:09

except you pay me $1 for every

1:20:11

ticket above last year's number. That's all.

1:20:13

Okay. So that's what I bring in,

1:20:16

because you hired him late. So he

1:20:18

said, that's only what I bring in.

1:20:20

So he sold an extra $2,300 tickets.

1:20:23

Wow. So the guy paid him, the

1:20:25

guy gave him an envelope with

1:20:27

$3,000 dollars in it. Yeah. threw it back on

1:20:29

his desk and said, there's too much money in there, which is

1:20:31

odd for evil. It's like, I like to steal it, but I'm not

1:20:33

going to just take it. I don't do this, honestly. Tell you

1:20:35

what? Put it down and turn around, and then we'll talk about

1:20:37

it. You turn around, it's gone, and we won't do anything. So

1:20:39

he said, yeah, the evil said there's too much money in the

1:20:41

envelope. He said, he gave me $700 dollars too much too much. And

1:20:44

this. And this guy said, well, well, well, well, it's a bonus. Well, it's a

1:20:46

bonus, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like,

1:20:48

I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I

1:20:50

like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I

1:20:52

like, I like, I work with you in the future

1:20:54

so I thought I'd make you a

1:20:56

happy guy so evil is like wow

1:20:58

that's crazy people paying me more than

1:21:00

they're supposed to what's up with that

1:21:02

look at that earning yeah so there's

1:21:05

all sorts of articles in the in

1:21:07

the paper about everywhere he goes it's

1:21:09

a you know he fucking the headline

1:21:11

is one cycle racing and that's got

1:21:13

again grand pre today daredevil evil and

1:21:15

then in parentheses honest he says he'll

1:21:17

hurdle 15 cars too so that's it's

1:21:19

they're advertised everywhere so The wide world

1:21:22

of sports, the first time he

1:21:24

gets some national attention other than

1:21:26

like an AP article in a

1:21:28

newspaper, was the wide world of

1:21:30

sports. Okay, this is March 25th, 1967.

1:21:33

This is why he went to this

1:21:35

guy because this guy had a race

1:21:37

where the wide world of sports was

1:21:39

going to cover it. So evil went

1:21:41

to him and he said, let me

1:21:43

fucking be a part of this shit.

1:21:45

I just want to be a part

1:21:47

of it. You don't have to pay

1:21:49

me, just pay me a dollar, let's

1:21:51

do all that kind of shit. So

1:21:53

this was a hundred lap motocross race,

1:21:56

which is boring as fuck. Let's be

1:21:58

realistic here. So evil here. he's gonna

1:22:00

do a jump on the on the show

1:22:02

as well. Now they proclaimed him, quote, a

1:22:04

most unusual young man. He said his specialty

1:22:07

in sports is that he's able to jump

1:22:09

15 automobiles on his motorcycle. And they asked

1:22:11

him, have you ever jumped 15 before evil?

1:22:13

And he said, Bill, I never have. I

1:22:15

missed a jump in the Northwest part

1:22:17

of the United States over 13 and

1:22:19

I was hospitalized and laid up for

1:22:22

over five months. I'm sure hope that

1:22:24

I sure hope that doesn't happen today.

1:22:26

They said, how many cars were you

1:22:28

attempting at that time? He said, 13. They

1:22:30

said, 13, and you missed. And he

1:22:32

said, yep. And they said, you're

1:22:34

trying 15 today. And he said,

1:22:36

well, parachutes ready, the motorcycle's ready,

1:22:38

and I'm ready. And I'm not

1:22:40

going to miss today. Let's do it.

1:22:42

So got to do it. It went perfectly.

1:22:45

Yeah. He's a showman, he shows up, this

1:22:47

is his black and yellow leathers, his

1:22:49

wistly faces he's put on. Yeah, he

1:22:51

put those on. The ones that say

1:22:53

evil can evil motorcycle, dare devils, and

1:22:55

Hollywood on the back in black with

1:22:57

the big stars down the side. The

1:22:59

70s he went to the red, white,

1:23:01

and blue shit. This is when he

1:23:03

was doing this shit. So he did

1:23:06

his normal false start, or he comes

1:23:08

up and opened up, not getting up

1:23:10

speed, and all the crowd, always booze.

1:23:12

and then the ramp and then he

1:23:14

stops it's so fucking annoying every fucking

1:23:16

time so then he hit the ramp

1:23:18

did it boom nailed it that's it 15

1:23:20

cars he did it wow so they announced

1:23:22

that's a wild way to ride a

1:23:24

motorcycle and people were like huh and you

1:23:27

have to think too this is nineteen sixty

1:23:29

seven early sixty seven there's

1:23:31

nothing this is what's on TV

1:23:33

there's three channels yeah there's no

1:23:36

video games no phone there's no

1:23:38

internet there's no internet there's no

1:23:40

Fuckin' even VCRs or DVD, there's

1:23:42

nothing. It's just these three channels

1:23:44

or go outside, period. Read the

1:23:46

book. And I remember when he

1:23:48

was, when he would do these, they would

1:23:50

like, when he would go off the

1:23:52

first ramp, they would shoot like fireworks

1:23:54

and shit, and then the amount of

1:23:56

flashes, because cameras were a flash, you remember?

1:23:59

It's a flash. the power of square

1:24:01

of the amount of glory pictures being

1:24:03

taken by the crowd yeah of a

1:24:05

streak of something yeah yeah but

1:24:07

it was so wild to watch that

1:24:09

happen watch the puff of smoke and

1:24:12

fire and then this bite those flying

1:24:14

flashes everywhere he hits the ground and

1:24:16

then it's over and then it's over

1:24:18

and fuck do it again that's awesome

1:24:20

and they show they just replayed it

1:24:22

a couple of times to fill this

1:24:25

time because it takes two seconds like

1:24:27

you said So on May 30th, 67,

1:24:29

he jumped 16 cars in Gardine again.

1:24:31

So he's doing it. The final show

1:24:33

at the Ascot racetrack there was

1:24:35

in May 30th, 1967. That's where

1:24:38

he jumped 16 cars. Then he

1:24:40

went back to Butte. He's scheduled

1:24:42

a string of jumps in the

1:24:44

state of Washington and all this type

1:24:47

of shit and everything like that. So

1:24:49

he is kind of building a schedule

1:24:51

now, like a road comic. He's trying

1:24:53

to figure out what he's doing here.

1:24:55

One owner of a speedway here, this

1:24:57

guy says that he was sure he

1:24:59

was at one of evil's first jumps

1:25:01

in the state. And he said he

1:25:03

showed up one day and asked if

1:25:05

I would promote a jump here. He

1:25:07

said, we talked and he said that

1:25:09

he'd want $3,500. I agreed and I

1:25:12

asked if he wanted $1,000 in advance.

1:25:14

He said that Florida him, he said no

1:25:16

one had ever offered him an advance

1:25:18

before. Really? Holy shit, I'm getting legitimate.

1:25:20

This is crazy. So they agree on

1:25:23

a date, he would jump ten Pepsi

1:25:25

trucks. Ten Pepsi trucks. Not the semis,

1:25:27

like the box trucks basically. So he's

1:25:29

gonna jump a bunch of those pickups

1:25:31

like that. That's how he's gonna do

1:25:33

it. No, no, no, long ways, I

1:25:35

think. He doesn't. He doesn't really long

1:25:37

ways. Yeah, he doesn't really long ways.

1:25:39

Yeah. Bumper to bumper. So he appeared

1:25:41

to set up his equipment. They

1:25:43

said he showed up with a little house

1:25:45

trailer. He parked in the middle of the

1:25:48

infield and all this type of shit.

1:25:50

Now the Pepsi people, instead of sending

1:25:52

10 trucks, they sent 13 trucks for

1:25:54

some trucks for some So evil said

1:25:56

fuck it throw him out there line them

1:25:58

up. Let's do 13 He goes, if I

1:26:00

can do 10, I can do 13. So

1:26:02

they line them all up. And

1:26:05

then a couple hours later, he

1:26:07

called the promoter, this guy Pollock,

1:26:09

and said, I can't do 13. No.

1:26:11

He said, come down and have

1:26:13

a drink with me in my trailer.

1:26:15

Talk with me. So this is

1:26:18

another like, at least 150 feet

1:26:20

further. Or well, they're just the

1:26:22

box trucks, but it's still another probably

1:26:25

50. 25 feet long. Yeah, it's a

1:26:27

lot. It's a lot. It's a long

1:26:29

distance. So then this guy's got to

1:26:31

go to a trailer, the trailer in

1:26:33

the middle of the infield to talk

1:26:36

with this guy who's going to be

1:26:38

drinking before he attempts a motorcycle jump

1:26:40

of 13 Pepsi trucks. So Pollack had

1:26:42

his 10 year old son with him

1:26:44

for the day, so he brought his son

1:26:47

with him, which is a weird move. So

1:26:49

they sit around talking to him and evil

1:26:51

said that they should all have some whiskey.

1:26:53

And he pulls out three glasses.

1:26:55

Here you go, kid. Literally,

1:26:57

and pours wild turkey in all

1:27:00

of them. And he deserves a drink.

1:27:02

He's completely oblivious to age it. In

1:27:04

Bute, that's normal. Yeah. So the guy

1:27:06

was, the kid was like, holy shit,

1:27:08

he just poured me a drink and

1:27:11

the... The Pollack guy, who the father

1:27:13

said, it was okay. There's worse things

1:27:15

to say than you had your first

1:27:17

drink of whiskey when you were 10

1:27:20

years old with evil. That's a pretty

1:27:22

bad-ass thing to say. Yeah, over the

1:27:24

next few years, that's the coolest story

1:27:26

ever. I had my first drink with

1:27:28

evil and evil. But they had one

1:27:31

drink and then can evil kept drinking.

1:27:33

He kept drinking. He was saying

1:27:35

he never jumped. 13 Pepsi trucks

1:27:37

had never gone that far. He

1:27:39

said there's a finite limit to

1:27:42

the possibilities of a motorcycle and

1:27:44

the physics of the whole thing.

1:27:46

And he doesn't know if he

1:27:48

could do it. He said, he

1:27:50

goes, I'll do it. I'll do it. He

1:27:52

goes, I'll do it. I'll fucking jump.

1:27:54

But I don't think I'll fucking jump.

1:27:56

He goes, I'll fucking jump. I think

1:27:58

I'm going to run. like this death on

1:28:01

his fucking conscience, but still. You gotta let a

1:28:03

guy do it. If he said he wants to

1:28:05

do it, you gotta let him do it. You

1:28:07

gotta let him do it. He said he checked

1:28:09

in with him a little later, getting closer to

1:28:12

show time, and he had drank the whole bottle

1:28:14

of wild turkey. Whole thing. Fuckin' did

1:28:16

it, just when he said he was

1:28:18

shit-faced. Fucking shit-faced in there, drunk his

1:28:20

shit, saying he still didn't wanna do

1:28:22

the jump, but he did the jump,

1:28:24

but he did. bottle a

1:28:26

while turkey in his system he

1:28:28

goes out there does the takeoff

1:28:30

he's flying through the air and

1:28:33

Fuckin landed perfectly Wow

1:28:35

nailed it Wow the promoter said

1:28:37

the guy couldn't walk, but he

1:28:39

could jump 13 Pepsi trucks. He

1:28:42

was so drunk. They had to

1:28:44

like guide him to the motorcycle

1:28:46

to put him on it. No.

1:28:49

It's over here. That is handlebars

1:28:51

turn around Wow So this guy

1:28:53

ended up working with Kenevel 17

1:28:55

times, setting up shows. Graham Washington,

1:28:58

he attempted the same jump in

1:29:00

June 28th, 1967, but he landed

1:29:02

his motorcycle on a panel truck

1:29:04

that was the last vehicle and

1:29:06

was thrown from his bike. Pretty

1:29:09

fucking horribly here. He was all

1:29:11

fucked up, actually. He lay right

1:29:13

on the 16th car he landed.

1:29:15

He was going about 70 miles

1:29:18

per hour at the time. Which

1:29:20

is not good obviously no and

1:29:22

they had 6500 people there though

1:29:24

for that he sold 6500 tickets.

1:29:26

That's a lot sure is that's

1:29:28

a really fucking there's NHL teams

1:29:31

that don't draw 6500 fucking people.

1:29:33

That's pretty good. It's tough to

1:29:35

do that today That's a lot,

1:29:37

that's not bad. He said, they interviewed

1:29:39

him at the hospital, he said, I

1:29:41

don't feel too bad. They haven't taken

1:29:43

any x-rays yet though. I guess I'll

1:29:46

be here for another four or five

1:29:48

days. And they said, well, what do

1:29:50

you remember from the crash? And he

1:29:52

said, can't remember anything after hitting the

1:29:54

car. It's called whiskey and fucking brain

1:29:56

trauma. The two of them together. He

1:29:58

had a serious concussion. to was a

1:30:01

problem. Yeah, which he probably would

1:30:03

have been hurt worse if he

1:30:05

wasn't drunk. Yeah, yeah, because you fail.

1:30:07

You're loose, you gotta fall loose.

1:30:09

So he said he'd return in

1:30:11

three weeks and complete what he

1:30:13

started out to do. And

1:30:15

he returned August 18th, 1967,

1:30:18

just like he said, 16

1:30:20

Volkswagen's crashed again. Got

1:30:22

the jump wagons for Christ's sake. There's

1:30:24

so much smaller than Pepsi trucks So

1:30:26

tiny he broke he couldn't hold on

1:30:28

to the handlebars broke his left wrist

1:30:31

his right knee in a few ribs

1:30:33

back in the hospital He's a fucking

1:30:35

mess man, obviously the suspension on those

1:30:37

back then was so precarious Oh yeah,

1:30:39

these are not. It's not what they

1:30:41

have today. This is not as complicated

1:30:43

of machinery as we have today. This

1:30:46

was just an engine with wheels strapped

1:30:48

to it with a couple of springs.

1:30:50

Good luck. The springs and a very

1:30:52

unforgiving handlebars. Yeah, absolutely. And now they

1:30:54

have bikes that are made for this

1:30:56

type of shit. Like they didn't have

1:30:58

those bikes back then. Nobody else was

1:31:01

doing the stuff shit. That are built

1:31:03

to jump 16 fucking car. That's the

1:31:05

thing. Yeah, you'd have to really build

1:31:07

a specialty bike. uh... they're talking about

1:31:09

you know you keep hurting yourself but

1:31:11

you're gonna jump over the grand canyon

1:31:14

and they said why you're gonna do

1:31:16

that if you can't jump these Pepsi

1:31:18

trucks or and he said if i

1:31:20

make it i'll be rich if i

1:31:22

don't i won't have as many problems

1:31:24

as you do so he splattered head

1:31:27

either way yeah get Richard died trying

1:31:29

that's what he's doing yeah he's

1:31:31

hustle and shit he said it before

1:31:33

anybody he said it that was that's

1:31:36

fucking evil his quote so sept He's

1:31:38

all fucked up and he's still got

1:31:40

a broken wrist of his knees

1:31:42

fucked up and he tries to

1:31:45

clear 16 cars and at the

1:31:47

evergreen speedway in Monroe Washington. And

1:31:50

they said two months ago he

1:31:52

tried to clear 16 Volkswagen's

1:31:54

and wound up in the

1:31:56

hospital twice. So he did it

1:31:58

again. He cleared it. but landed hard

1:32:00

enough to fuck a spine up and

1:32:02

go back to the hospital. He landed

1:32:04

so hard, it compressed his spine. Yeah,

1:32:06

that's the problem with that suspension, man.

1:32:08

Your body is not made for that.

1:32:10

Yeah, something's got to take the shock.

1:32:12

Yeah, you can't drop that shit bike

1:32:15

out of the sky. May as well

1:32:17

be a rigid frame motorcycle. Again, physics,

1:32:19

something has to take the shock and

1:32:21

it's going to be your spine. Just