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go ahead and mess your name all up for you. That

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said, let's dive in here. I'm saying

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that on purpose. Let's

5:06

talk about our asshole of the week here, Brian

5:09

Eric Phelps. Oh,

5:11

you've no relation, right? No, you've never heard of

5:13

him. I'm sure. I've never heard of him

5:15

before. No. Found him for

5:17

this. Brian Phelps. Brian Phelps. He's an

5:19

Englishman here. Mr. Phelps here. Brian Phelps.

5:22

April 21st, 1944. Older

5:25

man. In England too. Right smack in the middle

5:27

of World War II. Right smack. Literally,

5:30

there was bombs falling as this guy was

5:32

being born. That's

5:34

why his mother's water broke because a

5:37

bomb- Scared her into birth. A bomb hit

5:39

their neighbor. Yeah. He's

5:41

born in, what is this? Chelmsford,

5:43

England or Kelmsford, England? I don't

5:45

know which one. Chelmsford. C-H-E-L-M.

5:48

Sford, England here.

5:51

He's born. So, he's

5:53

an Olympian, as we'll talk about here. An

5:56

Olympic guy here. He's got a younger brother named

5:58

John who we'll talk about. during this also because

6:00

he's also a scumbag. So it works

6:03

out great. Here's a

6:05

little talk with him. This conversation.

6:07

It's an interview? What is it? This is

6:10

amazing. It's an interview with him from back

6:12

in the day where he talks about his

6:14

childhood and it's fucking

6:16

insane. Sure. I mean, it's

6:19

just crazy shit. So to do this, I

6:21

think we need to probably do

6:23

it in their own words because we're going to start

6:25

out hot here. This is real early on in their

6:28

own words, but let's get right into it here. In

6:31

their own words, quote, at

6:33

school in East Ham, I was this cocky

6:35

little bugger. Put

6:38

it in, put it this way. I wasn't always

6:41

in trouble, but it was in my, I was

6:43

in my share of it. Did handstands on the

6:45

roof to show how clever I was. That sort

6:47

of thing. The trouble is the

6:49

other kids would try to copy me. Didn't

6:51

have the ability and there were accidents. So

6:54

I'd be chastised. Oh, he'd get yelled at

6:56

for people impersonating jacket. Yeah. You

6:58

clumsy shit. Yeah. Yeah. He was to the

7:00

Johnny Knoxville of the school and no one

7:02

told the kids not to drive the other

7:04

ship and into ceiling fans and he gets

7:06

in trouble. He said, we lived in Burgess

7:08

road and had a trampoline and a diving

7:10

board in the back garden, but no pool.

7:13

What? Where the fuck is

7:15

the diving board leading to? Yeah. The

7:18

trampoline. What are we talking about? Right. Why do you

7:20

have, why do you have such

7:22

weird shit? Why would you have that's

7:25

the crazy, that's like saying I have a, I

7:27

have a hoop, but no backboard or pole to

7:29

put it on. I get to make this sits

7:31

on the ground. It just sits on the ground.

7:33

It's the weirdest shit ever. So that's a, that's

7:35

useless. He said there was this strip of ground

7:38

that no grass ever grew. That's where the diving

7:40

board was. Why, why you're still

7:42

the, I still don't know. What are you going to

7:44

do with that? It's so fucking weird. So, uh, in

7:46

1958 there is

7:49

a talk with him and his father

7:51

here in the newspaper. And this is,

7:53

uh, it's from the observer. I love

7:55

that you call interviews talks, talks, little

7:58

chitchat, little sit down. 14

8:02

year old Brian Phelps, a cheerful

8:04

young extrovert, compactly built with close

8:06

cut light brown hair, a

8:09

candid manner. This sounds like a pedophile wrote

8:11

this so far. And

8:13

the accent of his home district, East

8:15

Ham, was yesterday diving

8:18

for England against the Russians at

8:20

Blackpool. I don't want to dive

8:22

into anything called Blackpool. The youngest

8:24

diver to represent his country. He is

8:26

the youngest person, in fact, the only

8:29

junior to become the senior plane diving

8:31

champion of England. That's not good. We

8:35

know that's terrible. That sounds bad. The only junior.

8:38

The only junior. Not good. The

8:40

senior plane diving champion. Plane,

8:43

P-L-A-I-N. I don't know what

8:45

this means. I don't know what any of this

8:47

shit means so far. Hopefully it'll become clear later. But is it,

8:49

do they mean like in 11th grade or year 11 or

8:52

however the fun they say it? I think they mean non-adult. Yeah. That's

8:55

the vibe I'm getting here. Just

8:57

as over the past few years he has

8:59

been the youngest to win various junior titles.

9:02

Yeah. Yeah. It's

9:04

a kid. He's a kid. And he

9:06

holds everyone for which he is eligible, having come

9:08

top in men's high board trials a month ago.

9:11

He will be the youngest competitor in

9:13

the Empire Games. He is also,

9:15

his father said, smiling, the

9:17

youngest old man. So

9:19

his dad described him. He's a little old man. That

9:22

amused Brian. You put that in, he said. Make

9:24

sure it's in the article there. Make sure they

9:26

know. Make sure they know I'm an old man.

9:28

I'm clever too. I'm clever and I'm an old

9:31

man. But if success has

9:33

come from the kind of application which usually

9:35

only adults have and has brought self-confidence

9:38

that has not made him the least

9:40

cocky. Does he ever

9:42

feel nervous? He says, quote, I did

9:44

it first but not so much now.

9:46

At least only before important events. They

9:49

say, and that's often when he dives best, his

9:51

coach said. Time divers go to

9:53

pieces when they're nervous but not Brian. Even

9:56

when his diving isn't inspired, he never

9:58

drops. which diving is all

10:01

dropping. That's a bad way to

10:03

put it. He never fucks up. He never, you know.

10:05

But how much stress can be involved? I mean, I

10:07

realize you got a score to win, but. I

10:10

don't know. I've never. It seems like gravity

10:12

is going to help you out a lot

10:14

there. Probably. But also, there's nobody there like

10:16

defending you. Yeah, that's what

10:18

I mean. Like if you're pitching, someone's trying to

10:21

hit the goddamn ball. It's different. Just do your

10:23

thing, man. Just do your thing. Yeah, I don't

10:25

get why. I don't know. He said that's important

10:27

in competitions. He always gets some marks for a

10:30

dive. But usually the brilliance is there. They said

10:32

he starts off with three advantages. He's strong. He's

10:34

got a smooth physique. This

10:37

is his coach talking. He's got a

10:39

smooth physique and he hasn't any fear.

10:41

And well, he just does things better

10:43

than the others. Right. What goes

10:45

on in his mind when he has not

10:47

been, when he had not been on a

10:49

high board since the previous season. The next

10:51

day he learned, what is this, learned a

10:54

third. Okay. The most difficult was the double

10:56

twisting one and a half. A

10:58

forward one and a half somersault with a

11:00

double twist. Okay. I

11:03

can't even picture that. A corkscrew and a one

11:05

and a half. So I guess you're landing on

11:07

your... Oh, like a McTwist skate move? Yeah. Like

11:09

a... But you're landing on your head, right? You're

11:11

diving in? Yeah. Yeah, because that's the

11:13

half, right? A McTwist is a turn and a

11:15

flip. So that's what it feels like. Two of

11:18

those. It's Mike McGill owes this guy. Mike ain't

11:20

shit. Mike ain't shit. He owes this guy. He

11:22

did it without a board. Yeah. So yeah, he

11:24

said that once he learned these three dives, he

11:26

did them as well as any as his others

11:28

and it put him on equal terms with anyone

11:30

in the country. Then success came

11:33

in the Empire game trials, which

11:36

were also used to select internationals and

11:38

now his life seems to be all

11:40

diving. Right. Last weekend he dived and

11:42

won for Great Britain in Paris. As

11:44

soon as he returned, he was competing

11:47

for the southern countries against the Russians.

11:49

Soon he would be off to Munich to

11:51

compete with the Germans. Just real, real

11:54

friendly people he's going to. Russians, Germans,

11:56

anybody else you want to go to who's

11:58

just warm and friendly? The most approachable people

12:01

on the planet. Very cuddly. The

12:04

cuddliest of the moral air. Welcoming ones.

12:06

After the Empire Games, he'd have to travel to

12:08

Jersey Holland. I was like, oh, he's going to

12:10

New Jersey. Perfect. I

12:12

was like, this guy's perfect. Holland and Ireland

12:15

for contests or exhibitions. And

12:17

he stood a good chance of getting to

12:19

Budapest for the European Games. It's all just

12:21

good fun, he says. And then

12:23

his dad says, how many boys his age

12:25

get the chance to go up in an

12:28

airplane and see so many places? Yeah, that's

12:30

right. Not a lot. So they said it's

12:32

just as busy a time for Brian's coach

12:34

and his family. His coach said, I'm known

12:36

in diving circles as Brian Phelps' coach now.

12:40

And that's what the father says, yes,

12:42

and I'm known as Brian Phelps' father.

12:44

Everything revolves around diving. Just take the

12:46

laundry. Twelve towels for a

12:48

weekend's training. And as likely as not,

12:50

they'll be wanted again before they're back

12:52

from the laundry. So

12:55

you have to have hundreds of towels, these people. So

12:58

diving, if you want to get your kid into

13:00

diving, it's very expensive, not for pools or anything

13:02

like that, just in pure towel purchases. Towel money

13:04

has to be outrageous. You got to really have

13:06

a stock of towels at a time. You got

13:08

them in the laundry and the kid's already diving

13:10

going, where's my towel? Well, the towel, man. Washing

13:13

it. Keep going. They're all in

13:15

the wash. I don't know what to tell you. You got

13:17

to have a lot. Drip dry. They said

13:19

this talk was enough for Brian. We were wasting one

13:21

of his few free evenings and he wanted to go

13:23

out. But Brian Phelps thought, though, an adult champion was

13:25

also a boy of 14. He

13:29

has to be home by 930. He's

13:31

going to go out. He comes off a

13:33

curfew. So here's a Daily Telegraph article from

13:35

June 5th, 1958. It says diving. Brian

13:39

Phelps is fit. That means something

13:41

different there. You can't say that. Every

13:45

one of these articles sounds like they want to

13:47

fuck this boy. He's 14, you guys. He's smooth,

13:49

though. He's so smooth. His

13:51

physique is just smooth. He's hairless, smooth. Look

13:53

at him. Fit child.

13:56

Disgusting. Brian Phelps

13:58

is fit by our swimming correspondent. Brian

14:00

Phelps, Britain's young high board champion whose

14:02

back injury threatened to stop him diving

14:05

against West Germany in Munich

14:07

this weekend, was able to fly out with

14:09

the English team yesterday after all. In

14:11

a hard practice, he did 35 dives

14:14

in 60 minutes, which that

14:16

seems like you have to- How do you get out of the water

14:18

that fast? Climb that ladder quick.

14:21

Holy shit. That's more than one every two minutes.

14:23

That's, yes. I mean, you get out, get

14:25

right up that ladder. That is just- Holy shit.

14:28

In Munich, Brian will dive with

14:30

veteran British champion Peter Heatley from

14:32

the 33rd, from the 33 foot

14:34

tower. 33

14:37

feet in the air. That's high. That's

14:39

three stories. Yeah. That

14:41

is high. That's so high. I don't want to

14:43

do that. Just to climb up that ladder would

14:45

take so long. He must have been hustling, man.

14:47

Move. He's got an elevator? Maybe

14:50

they have a little scissor lift. August

14:52

2nd, 1958, Daily Herald article

14:54

here. Brian Phelps is top this time. Okay.

14:56

Now he's a top. He's a top. Now

14:58

they're calling him a top. He's

15:01

fit to top. He's fit. He's

15:03

smooth and he's a top. That's

15:06

his tender profile. Fit, smooth

15:08

top. All

15:10

right. Diving with consistency,

15:13

14 year old Brian Phelps

15:15

yesterday turned the tables on

15:17

his great rival, Peter Heatley.

15:19

Fuck Heatley. Topped him. Topped

15:21

him. He really showed him

15:23

what's what. Topped Heatley. Gave

15:25

him the what for right in the fucking butthole

15:27

is what he did there. By

15:30

winning the high board event in the

15:32

Commonwealth Festival of Diving at St. Heiler

15:34

Jersey. Phelps gained, at these

15:37

points don't matter. Right. So that's he beat

15:39

the big guy there. He wins. Sure. He

15:41

won the gold medal in the 10 meter

15:43

platform at the 1958 European

15:46

Championships in Budapest, Hungary at the age

15:48

of 14. 14

15:50

diving 30 feet. Diving 30 feet

15:52

against all of Europe, basically. And doing

15:54

it the best. He's the

15:56

smoothest bodied guy they got here. Yeah,

15:58

I like it. Again, Jesus Christ. What

16:00

did I say to start? Daily Mirror, September

16:02

8th, 1958. Russians

16:05

load Wonder Diver Brian. Load

16:08

Wonder? Load him. What's

16:11

a load Wonder? They load him

16:13

up. All the Russians

16:15

drop loads on Brian. Is the Wonder Load

16:17

or Load Wonder? Is that what it is?

16:19

Russian's load Wonder Diver Brian with presence it

16:21

says. Because

16:23

he's so smooth. It sounds like a

16:26

Russian's load Wonder Diver. Oh

16:29

my god, this is fucking... It's a Wonder he

16:31

can handle so much love. So much. Ian

16:34

Black, a boy of few words, and

16:36

Brian Phelps, a cockney kid with a

16:38

laugh in every line of his cheery

16:40

chatter, were Britain's gold medal heroes when

16:42

the European Swimming Championships ended last night.

16:44

And that's great because Black's the load

16:46

Wonder and he's a top. It's a

16:48

perfect match. He's getting loaded up by

16:50

Blacks over here. He's

16:52

got a black on the top and a smooth body.

16:56

Holy shit man. So

16:58

Black said there's nothing fantastic about it,

17:01

about winning. And the Russians, accepting humiliation

17:03

with good grace, gave him presence ranging

17:05

from a doll in a peasant costume,

17:07

just what every 15 year old boy

17:10

wants, a doll in a peasant costume,

17:13

to a model of Lennon's tomb. Again, if

17:15

you're not a Russian, you really give a

17:17

shit about Lennon for Christ's sake. What

17:20

I'll give you, a lock of Stalin's hair? Anything else

17:22

that I don't want that you're going to give me?

17:25

And as a model of his tomb? Like

17:27

where he rests? Yeah, yeah, there you go.

17:29

How's that? Maybe if his leg

17:31

goes maybe. You got the Queen's graveyard too?

17:34

He gets that too. Right

17:36

under that though is something that we should

17:38

talk about. And that says, so you're never

17:41

constipated? Question mark. Never.

17:44

Never. I eat so much Taco

17:46

Bell. They said that's what you may think. Oh, oh

17:48

there's some just hanging out? But do you really know

17:50

the symptoms of constipation? Well, having shit in a while,

17:52

that's one of them. I

17:54

can usually tell if I haven't shit. You don't know

17:56

though. Sometimes the walls are sticky and you can't see

17:58

in there. Oh, you can't tell. Some

18:00

sticks behind. You ever wiped and just

18:02

won't stop wiping? Same thing. Something

18:04

else in there. Constipation, that

18:07

seems like a shitting. Oh my God. Seems

18:09

obvious. Read this quiz below and you'll find

18:11

out. Everybody ready to take the constipation quiz?

18:13

Here we go. Have you ever

18:15

had any of these warning signs lately?

18:18

Ever and lately? Lately, yeah. Loss

18:20

of appetite, and there's a thing, look with checks. Loss

18:23

of appetite, bad breath, billiousness.

18:25

They think, hold on. Yeah.

18:29

The shit is coming back up through you. I

18:32

think you got like a P-trap there basically, right? So

18:34

it doesn't let it back up. Oh yeah, there's probably

18:36

several of those. It's gotta be a few. I

18:39

don't think whatever's in your bowels just comes

18:41

at it. Boy, your

18:43

breath is right rank, mate. Jesus

18:45

Christ. Ain't your shit lightly? He

18:49

must be constipated this one yet. I

18:51

can smell it coming out of your mouth. What the

18:54

fuck? It's the 50s. Billiousness,

18:56

which I still don't even know what that is. Is

18:59

that just stomach? Swelling maybe? Oh, yeah,

19:01

maybe. Swell of gassy stomach. Okay. Headaches,

19:05

poor complexion. Poor

19:07

complexion. He got zits, what are you? Put

19:10

that clear a sill away. Just take a shit. Sit

19:13

down. And then finally,

19:15

lassitude. What is that? No fucking

19:17

idea what that is. I think that's a made

19:19

up word. It says two or more ticks and

19:21

you probably are constipated, but don't risk harsh

19:24

purgatives. You

19:26

need pheniment, the original gentle

19:28

chewing gum laxative with a

19:31

fresh minty flavor. Because

19:33

you chew pheniment, the laxative ingredients

19:36

pass into your system naturally like

19:38

food and gently persuade you back

19:40

to normal. Oh, it whispers it

19:42

out. Hey, turds. Yeah, you

19:44

need to get out of here. It's

19:46

in your ear full of corn. You just

19:48

got to go. It's okay. Get

19:50

out. We don't need you here anymore. You're messing up

19:52

our breath. The

19:56

original chewing gum laxative, the whole family will

19:58

ask for and enjoy. I'm sure of course.

20:01

Let's all shit together folks So

20:04

he ends up going Brian goes to the 1960s

20:06

summer Olympics in Rome Here we go

20:09

at 16 where he ends

20:11

up taking a bronze medal in the

20:13

10 meter platform event Wow 30 footer

20:15

That's the one he likes there. So

20:17

I mean 16 any kind of metals

20:19

pretty good. Mm-hmm And yeah, I guess

20:21

Bob Webster the United States won the

20:24

high diving gold medal out. He couldn't

20:26

beat old Bob Webster Yeah, but he's

20:28

a schoolboy. They keep saying schoolboy schoolboy

20:30

hilarious Just really perverted on the whole

20:32

thing. So August of 1962 He

20:35

wins the European Championships again, and he said

20:37

that he'd win the gold medal. Oh, he

20:40

told us all he said fuck Yeah,

20:42

he said I told you I had a time I'd win this

20:44

shit. I want it now. He's like Joe Namath out here I'm

20:46

calling a shock 1962

20:49

November 27th here Phelps adds

20:52

another gold medal to his collection great

20:54

He does that he wins the Commonwealth

20:56

Games, which I think are

20:58

just like all the British colonies May

21:00

just be in Boston only So

21:05

they said this bronzed well-built 18 Jesus

21:08

his crew cut hair bleached almost white by

21:10

the water and Sun Went into the final

21:12

with the went to the final with the

21:14

lead of four and a half points over

21:17

Tom Dinsley of Canada He

21:19

scored eights for two and a half for his

21:21

two and a half forward somersault almost as much

21:23

for his next two dives Look

21:25

at him January 23rd 1964 Olympic

21:29

setback for Brian Phelps. Oh, no. Oh,

21:31

yeah I guess Brian Phelps

21:33

Britain's top diving hope for an

21:35

Olympic medal in Tokyo has been

21:37

in the London Hospital Whitechapel for

21:40

a week suffering from a rupture

21:42

strained and training and it

21:44

was revealed today a rupture What do rupture

21:46

maybe like a What

21:50

else can you rupture when you're 18 spleen You're

21:55

very unrupturable 18 general yeah,

21:57

you stay together pretty versatile

22:00

He'll break up usually. He'll be stretched. Absolutely.

22:02

So April 1964, Phelps told to compete

22:05

in trials. Brian Phelps, Britain's top driver,

22:07

a diver in Maine, hope for an

22:09

Olympic medal, had been told by British

22:11

officials that he must compete in the

22:14

next Olympic trials at Cardiff, I

22:16

guess, because he was injured. So they're saying they're not

22:18

just going to give him a spot here. So he

22:20

has to get in there. April 18, 1964,

22:24

Phelps taken off list of Tokyo divers. He's

22:26

got a leg injury now. He's all fucked

22:28

up. I don't know how you get injured

22:31

diving unless the pool's too shallow. Or strain.

22:33

I don't get it. Because you're really throwing

22:35

yourself. I mean, you fall, but there's no

22:38

force against it. You're in the air twisting. I

22:41

mean, you're just fighting gravity a little bit. How do

22:43

you hurt yourself? I don't get it

22:45

at all. Some people hurt themselves walking. That's

22:47

true. That's true. I've heard of much

22:49

worse than that. They said this is a serious setback, but not as

22:51

disastrous as it sounds. Now he's 20. And

22:55

so, yeah, this, I guess he's twice high

22:57

board champion of Europe, has an inflammation of

22:59

the right knee at the point where his

23:01

muscle enters the bone. This prevents him from

23:03

doing dives from a running takeoff. And in

23:06

the words of his coach, this means he's

23:08

not 100%. Oh, he's doing it

23:10

from standing still? He's got to stand still. That's

23:12

much harder. I guess he can only do those

23:14

dives when you hang off of shit. He

23:17

survived injury and accident. He had back

23:20

trouble in 1958 just

23:22

before winning his first European title at 14. 14

23:26

year olds get back problems. It's a lot of stress and all that

23:28

kind of shit. You know how it is when you're 14. Mortgages,

23:31

fucking child support, all that kind of shit. It

23:33

gets you. You know, paternity

23:35

suits, all of that. It's a lot. So

23:38

he set an injured shoulder during the 1960

23:40

Olympics when he came in third. He was

23:42

told to stay out of the water for

23:44

six weeks earlier this year after a rupture

23:46

operation and was back in three. His

23:49

latest injury is the result of working too

23:51

hard at his conditioning program. His

23:53

coach said Brian has been doing

23:55

100 deep knee bending exercises every

23:58

lunchtime to strengthen his hurdle. leg.

24:01

Not until too late did I discover that

24:03

recent medical and ski jumping experience has shown

24:05

this type of exercise to be harmful. 200

24:08

deep lunges? Deep knee bends. Jesus, yeah.

24:10

So, going all the way down and back up. Squat. Yeah.

24:13

All the way down and back up. Squat. Yeah.

24:15

But I'm not worried. It's just another problem to overcome, and

24:17

I don't think it will have a long-term effect on his

24:19

chances in Tokyo. Okay. Okay. A specialist

24:21

has said he must not use pressure on

24:23

his leg for at least two weeks, but

24:26

I don't think we need to stop entirely.

24:28

Right. You know, I'm a doctor too now.

24:30

We got it. Instead of working on the

24:32

last two difficult somersaults and twists of his

24:35

10-dive Olympic tests and now polishing up the

24:37

details of his technique later, we shall have

24:39

to go at things the other way around.

24:42

So he'll be doing handstands and sitting

24:44

dives to improve his line of entry.

24:48

That's a good practice thing without

24:50

launching, basically. Handstands. Another setback

24:52

in June of 64. Yeah. He's got

24:54

a... It's really... Now he's got shingles.

24:57

Oh, what? He's a little young for that. Yeah.

25:00

I've never heard of... He's a young old man, James. I've

25:03

never heard of anyone under 55 getting shingles. Have you? I've

25:06

heard of 30-somethings. 40 maybe. That's

25:09

awfully... For a smooth-bodied English boy? Yeah.

25:12

I don't think so. It's awfully early for the chickenpox

25:14

virus to come back and get you. He's a top

25:17

for Christ's sake. This makes no sense. I don't get

25:19

it. He'll be out of training for two to three

25:21

weeks. His trainer said, Brian

25:23

is terribly dejected. Well, time was so short

25:25

before this latest blow. It is almost

25:27

certain now that Phelps will have to give

25:30

up any hope of doubling up on the

25:32

springboard in Tokyo. Shingles

25:34

are like body herpes, man. They are crazy.

25:37

My dad just had them. It's the ugliest

25:39

thing. Seems horrible. I hope he never listens

25:41

to this because he was hideous. Does not...

25:44

It does not seem pleasant. Gross. No.

25:47

They have shots for that shit now. Yeah. And

25:50

it seemed like a wise thing to get. Brilliant idea. I

25:52

don't think you are that good. If you've seen what my

25:54

dad went through, you'd be in line tomorrow. Yeah. This

25:57

is good here. a

26:00

great fucking first life. August 11, 1964. This

26:03

is so perverted. Okay, we always

26:06

make fun of football for their shit.

26:08

This is worse, okay. Brian Phelps beat

26:10

off the challenge of John Candler. Beat

26:13

him off just as his champion

26:15

should. Drained

26:17

his balls clean. By

26:20

defeating him overwhelmingly at Crystal Palace last night.

26:22

I don't even know what the fuck that

26:24

means. I have no idea. Phelps' concentration on

26:27

detail, especially on entries, was worth one to

26:29

one and a half marks per dive. I'm

26:31

out, I don't know what that means. Got

26:33

inside him real nice. He just got in

26:35

there, well he's a top. That's the thing,

26:37

so he really enters from the good

26:39

angle. 1964

26:42

here, so he's at

26:44

the Olympics. He looks like, did he

26:46

do anything? I don't think he won anything, but he was

26:48

there. October 2, 1954, Brian Phelps' romance. Oh,

26:54

here we go. Is this a book? Oh no, this is,

26:56

sounds like it. Brian

26:58

Phelps, Britain's top Olympic diver, confirmed today

27:01

that he was going steady with

27:03

gymnast Monica Rutherford, another member of the

27:05

Olympic team. Hell yeah. Oh my God,

27:07

I bet. Met her in the

27:10

village, guarantee it. Imagine the flexibility

27:12

there. Forget it. His

27:14

smoothness and his topness. And his ability to

27:16

really contort too. Yeah, these two are gonna.

27:18

Duh, that's a. These two are gonna have

27:20

yoga fucking. They can get it in different

27:22

crazy ways. This is gonna be wild. Kamasutra's

27:25

not funny to them. Oh no, they're like.

27:27

This is easy. I could do that. It's

27:29

easy. Like your stupid opinions, we did that.

27:31

That dumb book. The book of all the

27:33

positions of people like, these are ridiculous. Well,

27:36

not if you're, not if the girl's a gymnast

27:38

and you're a champion diver, it's not ridiculous. Bet you

27:40

can get it in. Phelps said, but

27:42

we are not engaged yet. Okay. Said

27:45

he, Phelps from London said he had known

27:47

the blonde Sunderland girl for about

27:49

a year. Both are 20 and Ms.

27:52

Rutherford is three weeks older than him. Oh.

27:54

And then this is a crazy article, Double Deathfall.

27:57

Uh oh. An American woman tourist was

27:59

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you. Be

32:30

good for you. And it helps you lose weight. What, a

32:32

half a pack a day? I think that'll help you. Like,

32:34

man, that must have been great. Doctor says I have to

32:36

smoke. I'm sorry. I'm so tired.

32:38

I can't. I'm so sick. I

32:40

have to keep smoking or else I'm gonna get worse. He

32:43

has taken a job as a trainee sales

32:45

representative with the tobacco company and in two

32:47

months' time he'll be working in an area

32:49

around Sunderland. Cez Phelps, they're giving

32:51

me a car but it still means plenty

32:53

of legwork and exercise. Oh, okay.

32:56

So he's gonna sell cigarettes. Yeah, and he's

32:58

got jokes about it. May

33:00

10th, 1965. Phelps

33:03

misses trials and upsets officials. Oh.

33:06

Oh my God. What do they do? Flick a

33:08

cigarette in their face? Take that, you fucking... You blind fuck.

33:11

They were trying to finger him so I mean it's... Brian

33:14

Phelps, Britain's best ever diver.

33:17

Now he's the best ever? Best ever of all time.

33:19

He's 22 years old. Wow. Upset

33:21

British officials last night when he failed to

33:24

arrive at the international trials at Crystal Palace

33:26

London. He's fucking his gymnast fiancé. He has

33:28

no time. Wow, he's busy. He had accepted

33:30

the nomination for the trials. Phelps stayed at

33:33

the Sunderland home of his fiancé Olympic gymnast

33:35

Monica Rutherford and missed the chance of selection

33:37

for the first of three British internationals this

33:39

season. While amateur association officials

33:42

were angry, Brian Phelps did not notify them

33:44

of the withdrawal. Phelps was

33:46

criticizing the ASA for what he described

33:48

as lack of training facilities at the

33:50

nearest pool. He said that

33:52

the board at the felling used for the national

33:54

one meter championship last month was removed, even though

33:57

I was told it would be available for my

33:59

training. So I thought there was no point in

34:01

me competing in the trials for I had no

34:03

practice. You took my board away I'm not doing

34:05

this shit. Yeah, you know Now

34:08

coached by mr. Moore on Norman

34:10

Sarfield, okay July 24th

34:15

1965 Olympic diver Weds Olympic gymnast they're

34:17

married they're married Brian Phelps from East

34:19

Ham the leading diver married them She's

34:22

they're both 21. They will live in

34:24

Sunderland children. I'm gonna say he's Olympians.

34:26

He's like 21 He's

34:28

a Britain's best diver ever and he's fucking a

34:31

gymnast forever. I'm gonna say grace right here That's

34:33

a pretty good life He should just kill himself

34:35

because it's not gonna get a dive into an

34:37

empty pool at this point It's not gonna go

34:39

off the or just the Cathedral just be aware

34:41

and enjoy the rest of your shit life cuz

34:44

he's here at the best He's not has no

34:46

clue. How could you be? I don't know you're

34:48

21 You just think everything's gonna keep getting better.

34:50

Yeah, but it's this good now imagine what it's

34:52

gonna be like in five years You know realize

34:54

that hold on kind of buried in the jazz.

34:56

That's crazy So right under

34:58

that this is why I never knew

35:00

this happened Herman's Herman's are banned again

35:04

The second time the band Herman's

35:06

Herman's are banned They're

35:08

not allowed Now Herman's Herman's

35:10

by the way if you don't know if you've ever seen

35:12

the naked gun when when Leslie

35:14

Nielsen and Presley They're frolicking around and

35:16

fucking clothes lining people on the right

35:18

and something tells me yeah That's Herman's

35:20

Herman's and they got banned. I don't

35:23

know what they would get banned for

35:25

are they a Again

35:27

like they're back together or they're It

35:31

was in New York Herman's hermits and other

35:33

pop groups have been banned from appearing again

35:35

at Bridgeport, Connecticut Hold down are they fucking

35:37

too many women. I think so earlier

35:39

the group was banned at Dayton, Ohio Why

35:42

are they batting these guys? the latest

35:44

band follows Incidents

35:46

on Thursday night when more than

35:48

10,000 teenagers smashed wooden barricades and

35:50

stoned police cars when Herman was

35:53

performing The superintendent

35:55

Joseph wall said he was Walsh. He was

35:57

amazed by the actions and language of the

35:59

teenagers and the lack of self-control by

36:01

the crowd. Is Help Me Rhonda

36:03

them or is that the Beach Boys? No,

36:05

that's the Beach Boys. Yeah, they do nothing

36:07

that would make teenagers break down barricades. That's

36:10

what's crazy. Trying to think of a rageful

36:12

song of that time at all. This isn't

36:14

minor threat, you know what I mean? This

36:16

isn't like a fucking punk band or anything.

36:18

This is... Something tells me

36:20

I'm into something good. Something tells me

36:22

I'm into something good. I wanna know

36:24

what the fuck else they say. They

36:26

said squads of police and a Naval

36:28

Reserve Unit were called out to control

36:30

them. They needed the Navy to keep

36:32

these kids down. Herman's Hermits. Unbelievable.

36:35

They don't sing anything. That's what I mean.

36:37

I don't get it. This

36:39

is crazy. I'm Henry VIII, James. That's their

36:41

song. That's their song. It's

36:44

just... I would get... I'd break

36:46

shit too if they... Like a school song. ...sang

36:48

that motherfucker over and over and over again. I'd

36:50

break shit down. They were jacked. Tell them to

36:52

sing it again. They

36:55

didn't do Henry VIII and we

36:57

asked for an encore and they just left. Break

36:59

down the fucking barricades. Yeah, I can't see

37:01

anything that they sing that is... Vengeance

37:05

music. No. That

37:07

would cause 10,000 kids to go bat shit and

37:09

start rioting. Apart from that, Henry

37:11

VIII being sung 108 times. Jesus

37:17

Christ. It says here, Bussman's

37:20

Honeymoon for Brian. Here,

37:22

coming up. Brian Phelps is on

37:24

Honeymoon, but there's no sun-drenched beaches

37:26

for the European Empire and European

37:28

Diving Champion. Just the high board

37:30

at the Empire Pool, where he's

37:32

training for his national championship at

37:34

Crystal Palace next month. Mind

37:37

you, his wife Monica understands as the former

37:39

British gymnastic champion. She knows training is essential

37:41

if you want to stay on the top.

37:43

Her only regret is that she can't join

37:46

in. She's nursing a broken right wrist. Oh.

37:49

Yeah, and then also here's the... Did she spring too

37:51

hard? Here's the two of them. He's

37:54

shirtless. Yeah, he's by a pool.

37:56

And barefoot. Oh, okay. He's

37:58

got a bathing suit on. And she is just leaning on that. Brian

40:00

Phelps, 21 of Ashbrook, Sunderland,

40:02

was at Bladen-on-Tine court today,

40:04

accused of indecent exposure. Well,

40:08

no shorts are awfully short. That might have been an

40:10

accident. Like I said, the balls keep popping out. On

40:13

January 19th and the 24th, whipping

40:16

it out twice. Wow. Liked

40:18

it so much. Monday and Friday. Did it

40:20

again. Yeah. The hearing was adjourned and

40:23

the prosecutor said, the defense has

40:25

requested the adjournment because of the

40:27

witnesses they wish to call is

40:29

not available. Okay. April 28th, 1966.

40:33

Yeah. Two, that comes out the

40:35

details. Two schoolgirls, aged 14 and

40:37

13. Yeah.

40:41

That's not good. Were the prosecution's

40:43

witnesses when the Olympic highdiver Brian

40:45

Eric Phelps, age 22, sales representative

40:47

of the Elms-Ashbrook Sunderland, Why don't

40:49

you just leave our cigarettes out

40:51

of this? Jesus, come on. We

40:53

didn't have anything to do with

40:55

this? Cigarettes never hurt anybody, they

40:57

said. You leave our cigarettes out of

40:59

this. Cigarettes do not

41:01

hurt people. Jesus

41:04

Christ. Pleaded not guilty today to

41:06

indecent exposure. After they had given

41:08

their evidence to two girls, Mr.

41:10

Richard Reed for Phelps unsuccessfully submitted

41:12

that there was no case to

41:14

answer. We just dismiss this right

41:16

now. Richard Reed, the shoe bummer?

41:18

I think it is, yeah. R-E-E-D,

41:21

yeah. Different, but still. So

41:24

that's pretty funny. Two young girls said he showed us

41:26

his dick and they went, I think there's nothing to

41:28

see here. I think we

41:30

can go ahead and move past this.

41:32

They seem not credible, right? Right. Mr.

41:35

Tom Magnae, prosecutor, said that

41:37

the offense took place at the

41:39

council swimming bats at Dunston-on-Tine on

41:41

January 19th. Public swimming

41:43

pool? Yeah,

41:46

this wasn't even a private matter. He

41:48

said that the evidence would show that

41:50

Phelps standing on top of a staircase

41:52

outside the Baths' cafe had indecently exposed

41:54

himself to the two girls, looking towards

41:57

them and nodding his head toward them

41:59

and apparently... with

50:00

a leg injury. He's 23 and ready

50:02

to do this. Then

50:05

another article here, which is just

50:07

two days later, says now he's

50:10

undecided about his future. Oh, we

50:13

retract that last night. He said last night,

50:15

although he may be considering the idea he's

50:17

not made any decision on whether or not

50:19

to turn professional. Okay. Phillips,

50:21

who with his wife Monica, went

50:23

to Sunderland Accident Hospital on Tuesday

50:25

and put on a trampoline and

50:27

gymnastics display. Perfect place for it.

50:30

He's jumping on tramps a year

50:32

after he smoked a leg. I

50:35

do like that he did it at the Sunderland

50:37

Accident Hospital. Just in case. Yeah, we'll do it

50:39

here. In case I need to be here. Just

50:41

drag me to a fucking bed. He

50:43

said, I may be considering the idea, but I've not

50:45

made any decision as far as state or

50:48

nor made any statement on the subject. My ankle

50:50

is now completely healed and I may as well

50:52

try for a place in Britain's team for the

50:54

Olympic games in Mexico. So now he doesn't know

50:56

what he's doing. Right. So here is

50:59

October 15th, 1967. He says I

51:01

was a national diving champion at

51:03

12, a European champion at

51:06

14, an Olympic medalist at 16, a

51:09

fucking a pervert at 21. And

51:13

more than a dozen years at the

51:15

top, I made about 5,000 pounds for

51:17

the amateur swimming association, TV and radio

51:19

fees. But what thanks did I get?

51:21

Even when I was spending nearly 10

51:23

pounds a week out of my own

51:25

pocket on training, some of those same

51:27

ASA officials begrudged, begrudged five Bob for

51:29

a taxi that saved me a two

51:31

mile walk at midnight. Yeah. So they're

51:33

being cheap. He said, I just need

51:35

a couple of quid. That's

51:37

all five Bob. They cried. Yeah. That's

51:40

what I would say to the fuck are you talking about? Five

51:43

Bob? Question mark. Exactly. My question. If

51:46

we had to cater for everyone who wanted a

51:48

taxi, the ASA would be in a sorry state.

51:51

Oh, that's the one you're people walking home at midnight.

51:53

Now I turned professional earlier this year and I

51:55

can't, and I can make the reply. I dare

51:58

him to make them. Swimming is in a

52:01

sorry state and people like you are the

52:03

reason. It's trouble and you did this. Fuck

52:05

this up, Brian Phelps says. Even now after

52:07

a few weeks to think it over, I

52:10

can't find anything charitable to say about the

52:12

majority of swimming officials. They are narrow-minded, childish

52:14

old men swayed by petty jealousness. Is that

52:16

right? That's right and if they show their

52:19

dicks to kids, they're getting in trouble. Yeah.

52:22

Old men that are jealous, I'm a pay-to. Jealousy's

52:25

of my ability to flashcock

52:27

at children. That's what it is. Christ.

52:30

In their turn, they'll tell you Brian Phillips is

52:32

a big head who wouldn't listen to advice. That's

52:35

rubbish. I listen to my trainer while the

52:37

owner for hours and I picked up every tip I

52:39

could from the Americans, but why should I listen to

52:41

the people who don't know what they're talking about? They're

52:44

full of shit. For the trouble

52:46

is that too many officials don't know

52:49

even the basics of diving, don't realize

52:51

that it's a specialist sport. They treat

52:53

divers as swimmers, which is ludicrous. A

52:55

diver doesn't need a swimmer stamina. In

52:58

fact, he needs the water only to

53:00

break his fall. Yeah, just to not

53:02

die. For years, we

53:04

suffered the national championships at Blackpool, a

53:07

cold old fashioned pool, the worst on

53:09

earth for divers. But it's, what is

53:11

it? Oh, it's suited the officials. It's

53:14

an old newspaper, who liked

53:16

a good time week. Now we've

53:18

got championships moved to Crystal Palace. What luxury,

53:20

if you can get in. Some of the

53:22

officials think that they're guarding Buckingham Palace, like

53:24

the man who ordered the divers to make

53:26

a 10 minute walk to the other side

53:28

of the pool, rather than let us through

53:30

the door nearest to the boards. You're

53:32

not coming in here, he kept bellowing. Finally

53:35

there was a scuffle, and I got past him

53:37

with the others, only to find the competition had

53:39

already started ahead of schedule. Oh

53:41

no. Yeah. There

53:44

was one diver on the board, while the rest

53:46

of us were struggling to get in. As I

53:48

burst through the door, I was told, you're all

53:50

disqualified. Nobody will be allowed

53:52

to dive unless they're here on time. But the

53:54

lone diver was foiled of his glory, for we

53:56

protested that there had been no information about a

53:58

change in schedule. retired to

54:00

consider this protest and finally announced you

54:02

can compete. Okay,

54:05

so now run the events that they missed already? Well,

54:07

I guess they just weren't gonna let them do it.

54:09

They were just gonna let one guy dive and give

54:11

him the championship, I guess. He said

54:13

that, I'm sorry to say, is typical of

54:15

the mismanagement and the amateur swimming and diving

54:18

and yes, even at the Olympics.

54:20

Yeah, and I do know if you have a kid

54:22

and swim and you get there late and they miss

54:24

an event, you pay for what you... They already got

54:26

it. Yeah, you pay and your

54:29

kid doesn't get to swim. That's it. It's

54:31

crazy. The ASA were responsible for keeping us

54:33

posted on the schedule changes at Rome, but

54:35

they told us nothing. In the end, we

54:38

grew so fed up with getting no practice

54:40

through timetable changes that we took over the

54:42

Rome pool one morning. The Olympic committee was

54:44

outraged. They called for

54:47

the Italian police to throw us out. Don't

54:50

worry, they're bribable, I'm sure. I

54:52

had trouble in the Tokyo

54:55

Olympics too, relations between myself and

54:57

team manager, Alf. Okay,

55:00

his team manager is Alf. Okay.

55:03

And they don't get along. There was no

55:05

one in Britain to touch me. And then

55:07

I found out that some of the ASA

55:09

officials who had approved my retirement didn't want

55:11

to pick me for the games. They

55:15

said I hadn't contributed anything to international events

55:17

in the year before the Olympics. I was

55:19

shattered. I saw years hard work going to

55:22

waste. In the end, the opposition

55:24

boiled down to one man, Dick Hodgson. Goddamn,

55:26

Dick. Dick just keeps coming back in. Story

55:29

here. International team manager in my retirement

55:31

year and a member of the selection

55:33

committee, he declared if Phelps is picked,

55:35

then I'll resign. But

55:38

finally, he was outnumbered. Three of

55:40

the members of the diving committee,

55:42

including Wally Orner, announced if Phelps

55:44

isn't selected, we'll resign. So

55:47

Hodgson was overruled and I

55:49

went to Tokyo, but the controversy did nothing

55:52

to improve my opinion of ASA officials, an

55:54

opinion that sank to rock bottom some 18

55:56

months ago during the biggest

55:58

crisis of my life. when I

56:00

was accused of indecent exposure at

56:02

a swimming bath in Newcastle. We weren't even talking about

56:05

that until you brought it up. He's like, I'll bring

56:07

it right up. Teammates sympathized

56:09

with me. Like, who hasn't taken their dick out,

56:11

mate? I get it. From time to time, you

56:13

gotta let it get the sun. I

56:16

mean, it's not that often, but... It's

56:19

the best way to absorb the rays. Oh,

56:21

God. They were well aware that

56:23

the international swimmers and divers are prone

56:25

to that kind of accusation. Prone? Why

56:27

would you be... Unless

56:29

your dick's out all the time, why

56:32

would you be prone to that? I

56:34

mean, we're wearing skimpy outfits and we

56:36

all have cocks. Is that... Sometimes they

56:38

fall out. Wow. He said,

56:40

I knew I was innocent. There were witnesses to

56:42

support me. And when the case finally came to

56:44

court, I was cleared without even needing to call

56:46

my defense. But the weeks between

56:48

the charge and hearing were all still

56:50

worrying ones. And ASA officials did nothing

56:52

to ease my mind. You know, they're

56:54

separating themselves from you. You took your

56:56

dick out in front of kids. It's

56:59

unbelievable that they all are just... This

57:01

is just a commonplace thing. Happens all the time.

57:04

Every swimmer knows you. They're always seeing our dicks.

57:06

Cots, you're always showing it to kids. He

57:09

said, they had me guilty and jailed before

57:11

a word of evidence was heard. I arrived

57:13

at the British teams hotel ready for Six

57:15

Nations tournament in Strasbourg, only a few hours

57:17

after the news of the accusation became public.

57:20

An official greeted me grimly. Read the

57:22

newspapers. We didn't think you'd be coming.

57:25

Oh, we thought... You a little pervert? Yeah,

57:27

when they could be, you know. Two

57:30

minutes later, as I walked to the reception deck,

57:33

desk, other officials surrounded me,

57:36

chanting, you're a disgrace to the sport. I

57:40

could hardly believe my ears. But

57:42

then the penny dropped. They were deliberately baiting

57:44

me, trying to rile me into answering back.

57:47

Maybe just swinging his dick around. Yeah, show

57:49

an helicopter it. Showing her fucking show of

57:51

force, you know. See

57:53

how long it takes for him to pull it out. It's

57:56

a mental move. It's like back

57:59

in the day when Tyson used to... away and nude.

58:01

It's the same type of thing. Take that. Let's

58:04

see here. Then I could be found

58:06

not guilty of rudeness and could be

58:08

set home. Then I could be found

58:10

guilty of rudeness. Okay. I hold my

58:13

peace apart from asking, how many years

58:15

have you known me? Don't hold it.

58:17

Somebody make... held my peace right

58:19

here. Don't. Somebody makes a charge

58:23

like that and you think it's a reason

58:25

for not turning up, you don't know the

58:27

facts. It was obvious that I wasn't wanted

58:30

on the plane to Strasbourg. It was said

58:32

by some officials that I wasn't eligible because

58:34

I hadn't returned a letter confirming my selection.

58:36

I soon shot that down. Their

58:39

next move was even different. I've seen

58:41

them bullying. There's no other description. Youngsters

58:43

into smuggling bottles of spirits through customs

58:45

for them. Now he's blowing up the

58:48

whole spot. My dick's out? Well, you're

58:50

getting kids to smuggle booze through customs.

58:53

Anyway, I'm glad to be out of it.

58:55

Now I'm with my wife Monica, the British

58:57

gymnastics champion. We're putting on shows to raise

59:00

funds for a gym and a pool where

59:02

youngsters can have training facilities we never enjoyed.

59:04

So we can be around more kids. Yeah.

59:07

Perfect. And without duttering and interfering officials too.

59:09

I don't need anybody watching

59:11

me. Nobody over...

59:13

no oversight here everybody. April

59:16

16th, 1968, Brian Phelps in

59:18

team to visit central swimming

59:20

pool. Brian Phelps, Olympic

59:23

diving champion and the bikini clad aqua

59:25

bells will be appearing at the aqua

59:27

show to be held in the central

59:29

swimming pool in Reading on May 4th.

59:31

Brian won his Olympic medal in Rome

59:33

in 1960. He's a national champion 22

59:36

times, won all these gold medals in Commonwealth

59:38

games. Also in the diving team

59:41

will appear in the

59:43

show as Billy Woods, national junior high

59:45

board champion. Okay. I

59:48

guess the show will also feature

59:50

a display of gymnastics by Brian

59:52

Phelps, his wife. Okay. And also

59:54

in addition to that three

59:57

comedy sketches and a water ballet by

59:59

the aqua. Bells comedy sketches

1:00:01

from divers and gymnasts by the

1:00:03

Aqua Bells fuck that shit so

1:00:06

October 21st 1968

1:00:09

all about going pro yeah they say

1:00:11

that the headline is Olympic stars turn

1:00:13

to cabaret act yeah

1:00:15

that's what they're doing they're doing

1:00:17

a day of a variety show

1:00:19

yeah I feel like it's it's

1:00:21

blazing saddles yeah that that that

1:00:23

that's a big production guys

1:00:26

and tuxes and shit what's the song what

1:00:29

is it uh which one Madeline

1:00:31

Kahn yeah the German song what

1:00:33

is it doesn't matter I've been

1:00:35

with thousands of men again and

1:00:37

again that's it yeah I

1:00:40

was thinking the one Dom Deluise was just

1:00:43

talking about how much how much

1:00:46

she takes yeah I was just

1:00:48

a constant dick I'm exhausted all

1:00:50

this dick I'm taking I'm so

1:00:52

tired again and again now the

1:00:55

now the new look Brian and Monica

1:00:57

Phillips are appearing at Blackburn's Cavendish

1:01:00

Club this week presenting a polished graceful

1:01:02

and professional balancing act all right Brian

1:01:04

says we both quit the amateur world

1:01:06

because of the farce officials make it

1:01:09

now we do what we want and

1:01:11

we enjoy and we get paid for

1:01:13

it as well the amateur

1:01:15

officials governing sport in this country and

1:01:17

the Olympics committees mainly just turned the whole

1:01:19

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1:01:22

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1:01:24

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1:01:43

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app. At the Tokyo Olympics,

1:03:57

Monica and myself were just about to

1:03:59

get married. They'd been engaged for several

1:04:01

months, but the British officials wouldn't even let

1:04:03

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1:04:06

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1:04:08

dirt, and you have to struggle to get any sort

1:04:10

of decent training facilities and conditions. Now

1:04:12

Brian tours the country doing cabaret performances

1:04:14

with his wife and giving high diving

1:04:16

demonstrations at seaside swimming pools, I guess

1:04:18

right after they drop the horse into

1:04:20

the water. He's next. See

1:04:25

if he could beat the horse. Then Monica

1:04:27

gives gymnastics displays. Monica

1:04:29

said, I suppose we could go on doing this

1:04:31

type of act for another eight or ten years,

1:04:33

but we'll probably give up long before that so

1:04:35

our daughter Erica can settle down properly when she

1:04:37

starts school. I always got a kid. During

1:04:40

the midnight show at the Cavendish this week, a

1:04:42

midnight show. What's that? A

1:04:45

show at fucking midnight. Gee, they

1:04:47

don't even do comedy shows at midnight. Right. That's

1:04:50

crazy. Ten o'clock. Fuck. This week

1:04:52

is the Kettering singer Barry

1:04:54

Noble, one time stand-in for Tom Jones.

1:04:57

Is that right? And he just didn't

1:04:59

have the cock to be Tom Jones.

1:05:01

Wasn't very unusual. No, an Engelbert Humperdink

1:05:04

on tops of the pops. I've

1:05:06

heard of them, but not him. So that's a problem.

1:05:10

November 26th, 1968. This

1:05:14

is weird. Olympic diving star Brian Phelps to

1:05:16

star in the title role of an aqua

1:05:19

pantomime. Robinson

1:05:22

Caruso they're going to do in the

1:05:24

water. What? To be put on. Mind?

1:05:27

I don't understand what's happening here. The

1:05:29

show is being sponsored by Coventry City Council

1:05:31

in conjunction with the producers, whatever. The aqua

1:05:34

show has a record breaking season, has had

1:05:36

a record breaking season at the peer approach

1:05:38

baths in Bournemouth and is

1:05:40

the tutor of the country. A spokesman

1:05:42

for Coventry Bath said there would be

1:05:44

seven performances during the week, including a

1:05:47

matinee at 5 p.m. on Saturday. Nice.

1:05:50

Wow. The largest of the three pools will be used for

1:05:52

the show and the bath side will be

1:05:54

used as a stage. Okay,

1:05:56

now, 1971. So

1:05:59

that's 16. three years go

1:06:01

by. July 27th, 1971. Brian

1:06:03

Phelps on theft charge. Uh-oh.

1:06:06

Former Olympic diver, Brian Phelps was

1:06:08

remanded on bail until August 19th

1:06:10

when he denied a shoplifting charge

1:06:12

today. Phelps. Did

1:06:14

he do it? I don't know.

1:06:17

He's charged with stealing a jar of marmalade and

1:06:20

a tin- Was he a paddington bear? What? And

1:06:22

a tin of salmon. He is a bear. Who?

1:06:25

He's a bear. Marmalade and

1:06:27

salmon. Yeah. Are you

1:06:29

going to flood the subway too? He's

1:06:32

going to steal your picnic basket while he's at it

1:06:35

too. What the fuck is he doing? What is happening?

1:06:38

That is great. And the two of them together

1:06:40

worth 36 and a

1:06:42

half P pounds. No, pence. Pence.

1:06:45

Less than 37 cents.

1:06:47

He's stealing nothing. He was remanded on bail

1:06:50

in his own recognizance. That is why did

1:06:52

he do that? Marmalade and salmon?

1:06:54

Marmalade and a tin of salmon. They

1:06:56

don't go together. No. Neither of those

1:06:59

things. That is bear food. Was he

1:07:01

trying to bait a bear at the

1:07:03

zoo? So he could show him his

1:07:05

dick. That's possible. Yeah, they don't talk.

1:07:07

Two days later, he's cleared though. All

1:07:09

good. He didn't take it. Didn't take

1:07:11

nothing. Misunderstanding. That's what it is. He

1:07:13

was, yeah, they said he was accused

1:07:15

of that, but he's all cleared up.

1:07:17

Don't know why. Thought he paid. So

1:07:19

then some years go by. Yeah. Okay.

1:07:21

We got some years. December 19th, 1978.

1:07:24

Brian Phelps joins in TV commentary. Oh,

1:07:26

that's great. Brian Phelps, the Cockney kid

1:07:28

who put Britain so gloriously on the

1:07:30

diving map here. Sure wish they'd stopped

1:07:32

saying cock. Cockney.

1:07:36

Cock out. No, Cockney. Joins Alan Weeks

1:07:38

in the comp, what is this? The

1:07:41

commentary. I thought that was a P in there. Commentary

1:07:43

box at the Crystal Palace for international

1:07:46

diving on BBC two. Yeah.

1:07:48

Especially arranged program celebrates high gate

1:07:51

diving clubs, golden Jubilee. And ironically,

1:07:53

it celebrates high gate diving clubs,

1:07:55

golden Jubilee. And ironically, it was

1:07:57

the high gate club that first.

1:08:00

smart juvenile Phelps's interest for the

1:08:02

sport. Terrific. Okay.

1:08:05

March 3rd,

1:08:08

1982, diving champion Brian Phelps

1:08:10

will be bringing his famous trampoline

1:08:12

squad, giving demonstrations at 10

1:08:14

p.m. on a Wednesday. We're

1:08:19

going to jump on trampolines at that time of night? They

1:08:21

go to shows late over there. What

1:08:23

time of year is that? That sounds cold too.

1:08:25

It's outside, right? March 3rd gets dark. It's chilly,

1:08:27

yeah. Yeah, and at 3 p.m. and 7.30 p.m.

1:08:29

on Thursday. It's

1:08:32

just random times. Yeah. We have

1:08:34

one show at 3, another one at 10, just whenever.

1:08:37

One at 7, you don't know. So Phelps

1:08:39

went on to found

1:08:41

OLGA trampoline club. Olga.

1:08:44

Olga, with a capital letter stands for something here.

1:08:48

So with his wife, the club based

1:08:50

in south of England has generated many

1:08:52

international performers since its opening. These include

1:08:54

current coach Nigel Rendell, whose son

1:08:57

Luke Rendell is a current international

1:08:59

performer and Tom and Hannah Lewis,

1:09:01

both of whom have won major

1:09:03

titles. Hannahs being the

1:09:05

2003 European Championships, with Tom's being the

1:09:07

2005 World Age

1:09:09

Championships. This is a later thing, a

1:09:12

later article about this. Brian Camp, one

1:09:14

of Phelps's main prodigies, performs

1:09:17

regularly with the world's best.

1:09:19

Another club member has been

1:09:22

Claire Wright. Other Olga performances

1:09:24

include Danielle Priatruska, whoa,

1:09:26

that's a long name, but it starts out just like

1:09:28

mine, P-I-E-T-R. Hey. So

1:09:31

I'm like, there we go. Mollusz Strutsin,

1:09:33

S-Z-K-A, so we fucked it

1:09:35

all up. Melissa, some

1:09:38

other shit and some other lady, I don't know. Okay.

1:09:42

October 31st, 1982, a new life for Brian.

1:09:44

Here we go. Look at the size of

1:09:46

the goddamn print in the headlines. Whatever

1:09:49

happened to Brian Phelps is that 24 years

1:09:51

after he won the European High Diving

1:09:53

Championship, he's still only 38. Now

1:09:57

he runs and has virtually built both. successful

1:10:00

trampoline nursery in Britain.

1:10:03

A nursery. He raises them from seedlings. Little

1:10:05

boughs. Grows them. Trampoline bulbs

1:10:08

until they come up to 10 footers. It's pretty good.

1:10:11

That's nutrients and water. He's so good at it.

1:10:13

He's such a nurturer. Of the six

1:10:16

national junior champions under 11,

1:10:19

13, and 15, male and female, four

1:10:21

come from the suburbs of

1:10:24

Bournemouth that Phelps opened

1:10:26

four years ago. So he's producing winners.

1:10:29

He can help the national seniors in another four

1:10:31

years. He's going to really kill it then.

1:10:34

The peak of his diving career was so long ago

1:10:36

it takes a middle name to recognize the name. Or

1:10:40

it takes middle age to recognize the name. Fame

1:10:43

hit him worldwide at the age of 14 when

1:10:45

he won the European title at Budapest in 1958.

1:10:48

They go over to his stuff here. There

1:10:50

is long been an affinity between divers and

1:10:52

trampolinas. Has there? Apparently

1:10:55

so. When Brian Phelps

1:10:57

soon demonstrated it, when the first

1:10:59

British trampoline champion were held at

1:11:02

the RAF Stratmore in 1959, the

1:11:04

15-year-old Phelps won the boys and

1:11:06

men's section. So he's always been

1:11:08

a trampoline. I guess because that's where

1:11:10

he practices his flaps. You can flip real easy. If you can

1:11:12

do it in air, you can do it on high dive. He

1:11:16

had it in his yard, for Christ's sake. So

1:11:18

four years later at the BBC's

1:11:21

annual personality of the

1:11:23

year gathering. He

1:11:27

first met the young national gymnastics champion,

1:11:29

Monica Rutherford. They were together again in

1:11:31

Tokyo Olympics and have not been apart

1:11:34

for very long since. Now

1:11:36

there are two little Phelpses, Erica and

1:11:38

Mandy. Erica won the

1:11:40

trampoline World Cup in 1980 and

1:11:43

has mostly been out of contention since with

1:11:45

back trouble. So I got that from dad.

1:11:48

Now she's fit again and by no means as

1:11:50

little as she used to be, which is good

1:11:52

to see but may not

1:11:55

be the best shape for trampolining. They

1:11:57

just said, yeah, she's growing some.

1:12:00

tits and trampoline and that's not what you want. You got

1:12:02

her some ass and hips, I kind of like it, but

1:12:04

not for this tramp. It ain't going to work for this.

1:12:07

When the two senior Phelps's were on

1:12:09

the international competition, Monica became a teacher

1:12:11

in Sunderland and as Brian Asales wrapped,

1:12:13

it hit them one day what a

1:12:15

waste it all was, a marriage of

1:12:17

such expertise, such physical skill, and they

1:12:19

weren't putting it to use. They

1:12:21

created a cabaret act, all rippling

1:12:24

bodies in balance and beauty, and

1:12:26

hit the northern nightclub circuit with

1:12:28

it. Then Brian came down to

1:12:30

Bournemouth to star in the Summer Aqua Show and

1:12:32

the seeds of their future life were sown. High

1:12:35

above Poole in the district of Parkstone,

1:12:37

an alley slips down between a car

1:12:39

showroom and a dry cleaners. It leads

1:12:41

to what used to be the warehouse,

1:12:44

OLGA, reads the nameplate at the

1:12:46

door. It used to be a

1:12:48

warehouse, now it's OLGA, Olympic Leisure

1:12:51

Gymnastics Arena. That's what

1:12:53

that stands for. Something that

1:12:55

there's never such an inspiring name

1:12:57

as Corbett's in this business. The

1:13:00

warehouse has been transformed, changing rooms, a

1:13:02

kitchen, waiting room, and steps up to

1:13:05

the business side of the premises. Parents

1:13:08

are not admitted except by

1:13:10

prior arrangement. What?

1:13:12

I don't like that. This

1:13:14

man was accused. Yes.

1:13:17

That's not nice. You can't

1:13:19

do that. Then we go on to say some eyebrows

1:13:21

rise at first sight of that news. Yeah.

1:13:24

Mothers said Brian Phelps. Mothers

1:13:27

said Brian Phelps. Mothers are terrific, but perhaps

1:13:29

not when you're working with their children. Dude.

1:13:33

When you want your dick out. Yeah, that's bad. There

1:13:36

are 300 members of the OLGA and they pay

1:13:38

on a sliding scale down to 75p an hour

1:13:42

accordingly to the number of hours a week they

1:13:44

come. In term time, classes

1:13:46

start with the two o'clock toddlers and

1:13:49

the ages rise as the day runs to

1:13:51

evening. No doubt that they enjoy it, but

1:13:53

they are not there to play. Monica takes

1:13:55

the gym classes, a striking figure with a

1:13:57

commanding voice. She might have been

1:14:00

fired. for the late Joyce Greenfield satire

1:14:02

where she not so blazingly good at

1:14:04

what she does quote now

1:14:06

we're all going to sit down with our legs wide

1:14:08

apart she says I can't

1:14:10

with this I can't get your mother's out of here

1:14:13

and spread your legs what

1:14:15

the fuck now we're gonna put mouths on

1:14:18

it gets worse and

1:14:21

what do we do and what do

1:14:23

we call that the straddle that's right

1:14:25

Jesus it gets worse everybody say it

1:14:27

louder than that straddle then

1:14:30

she says good Felicity you're not going to learn much if

1:14:32

you watch the boys all the time are you she's like

1:14:34

well you got my leg spread what do you want well

1:14:38

I'm really uncomfortable right now this is disturbing

1:14:40

I feel insecure I'm looking at the boys

1:14:42

because I don't want them to look at

1:14:44

me they're looking at my fucking my

1:14:47

everything's out my indentations here before

1:14:50

your eyes before your eyes a little

1:14:53

darlings grow suppler what

1:14:55

supple what no this

1:14:57

is do you not read

1:14:59

what you write after you write it you can't

1:15:02

say what you're saying you can't say children are

1:15:04

supple that is the creepiest thing I've ever fucking

1:15:06

heard do they also grow

1:15:08

fertile the little darlings grow suppler

1:15:11

and bend lower golly and

1:15:13

bounce higher and love every minute of

1:15:15

it this is a this is disgusting

1:15:17

I want to go home hi this

1:15:19

is terrified dude this is I don't

1:15:21

like this I think I'm checking out

1:15:23

of this episode right now this is

1:15:25

horrifying and love every minute of it

1:15:27

there are five instructors as one age

1:15:29

group marches out another comes in and

1:15:31

the instructors change Brian says you know

1:15:33

once who like that yeah it sounds

1:15:35

like a revolving door of fucking yeah

1:15:37

of molesting yeah Brian stays

1:15:40

with the trampolines gradually

1:15:42

weaning the kids from playful

1:15:44

bouncing to disciplined accuracy

1:15:46

required of freebound tumblers he's

1:15:50

probably the only professional trampoline coach in

1:15:52

this country and Olga has made them

1:15:54

a good living its success has been

1:15:56

astonishing in the national gymnastics championship they

1:15:58

qualified nearly twice as many performers as

1:16:00

any other club in the country and

1:16:02

won twice as many medals. Brian

1:16:05

said, we've got some kids here. Yes,

1:16:07

you do. That one,

1:16:09

for instance, and that one, who are going

1:16:12

to be among the very best gymnasts Britain

1:16:14

has seen. We've got excellent equipment here and

1:16:16

a good haul and a bloody marvelous teacher.

1:16:18

I mean, look at her. Now

1:16:21

we're going to make a sandwich, said

1:16:24

Monica, and a dozen tots were riveted.

1:16:26

We had them bent double

1:16:28

on the floor, legs straight out in

1:16:31

front, chins on knees somewhere in that

1:16:33

direction. Jenny's done

1:16:35

this before, hasn't she? See how far?

1:16:37

Oh my God. See how far

1:16:40

she's got down? Now I

1:16:42

could sit on her bottom and

1:16:44

have my tea, couldn't I? And

1:16:46

so she did. Don't

1:16:49

touch. Don't put your teeny

1:16:51

or kid's asses, please. Brian

1:16:53

was not in on the bottom sitting bit. When

1:16:57

his boys came in, the best there

1:16:59

are in the business, there was an

1:17:01

ease of rapport between them that said

1:17:04

much. Training a champion

1:17:06

means more than just sharpening his pikes and

1:17:08

tucks. He's

1:17:10

got to learn about his dick, too. The man said,

1:17:12

we're trying to be mothers to them. There are times,

1:17:14

I think, when we know more about their problems than

1:17:16

their parents do. On such

1:17:19

trust is true success built. Sure.

1:17:22

Trust. That's the plan. 1984,

1:17:25

trampoline titles for the Olga champion. They're

1:17:29

crushing it. They're getting all sorts of people here.

1:17:32

25 Olga trampolines is qualified for the

1:17:34

championships as a result of the open

1:17:37

championships held throughout the country. Olga

1:17:39

dominated the championships. 21

1:17:42

children qualified for the afternoon finals and

1:17:44

most gained an award. Jesus,

1:17:47

they're doing great there. Not

1:17:50

bad at all. The club was

1:17:52

so dominated, it was also dominated by

1:17:54

the under 11 boys event. 7

1:17:57

out of the 10 finalists came from Olga. That's,

1:18:00

uh, that's Brian's kids there. Robert Thorne

1:18:02

aged eight, the youngest competitor in the

1:18:04

event narrowly missed the final, but did

1:18:06

extremely well to finish 11th Olga took

1:18:09

the team title with ease and

1:18:11

say showed all the different guys,

1:18:13

Mandy Phelps, that's their kid took

1:18:16

the under 13 tile style, a

1:18:18

title in style while Rachel Northern

1:18:20

took a bronze and Paula Savage

1:18:22

and Helen Freewer's performances alongside Mandy

1:18:24

and Rachel's gave Olga another clear

1:18:26

victory in the team event. So

1:18:29

they're doing great. They're just doing great.

1:18:32

1990, May 21st. This

1:18:35

is kind of a kind of catching up

1:18:37

with everybody here. Here they are. Now this

1:18:39

is Monica and Brian now see their picture.

1:18:41

Little older. Yeah, little older. He looks like

1:18:43

a creep. He looks like he owns a

1:18:45

Greek diner. That's what he looks like. His

1:18:48

arms look incredible. Oh, he's got, he's jacked. Um,

1:18:51

and he is Jesus. That's a 35, almost 40

1:18:53

year old man, huh? Yeah. Now he is. Yeah.

1:18:55

What? 1990 Christ. He's 46. Wow.

1:18:58

Yeah. He looks fucking great. He looks

1:19:00

terrible. He's an professional athlete. Um, so

1:19:03

this is an article in the evening

1:19:05

standard in the whatever happened to section,

1:19:07

I mean, seems to be doing fine.

1:19:10

Coming to terms with all the ups and

1:19:12

downs is the title here. Monica

1:19:14

takes the gym and I take the trampoline

1:19:16

classes. And the funny thing is we get

1:19:18

as much a kick out of the children's

1:19:20

success. Now, as we got out of our

1:19:22

own success, says Brian 46, a grandfather. Jesus

1:19:25

46, grandfather, grandfather. Yeah.

1:19:27

Yeah. Kids early. Uh,

1:19:30

naturally everyone wonders who's the boss. The answer

1:19:32

is neither of us really, meaning him and

1:19:34

his wife. We don't step on each other's

1:19:36

toes, but together we make a fantastic team.

1:19:38

Of course, it's important to have the right

1:19:40

partner. We've been married 25 years in July.

1:19:43

There'll be a big family razzle. Uh,

1:19:46

then because my mom and dad celebrate

1:19:48

their 50th anniversary, three days ago, my

1:19:50

first lesson, I learned to swim the

1:19:52

hard way. Some yabo

1:19:54

pushed me in. Yabo. Why

1:19:57

O BBO. Isn't that a boob?

1:20:00

Yobo I've I've never it could be

1:20:02

anything I

1:20:04

thought it was dick it could be anything Some

1:20:07

dick maybe that's all push me in when I

1:20:09

was six and I managed to struggle to the

1:20:11

side That's how it all started. You know swimming

1:20:14

lessons. What somebody just pushed him in and walked

1:20:16

away That's how we talked about in your stupid

1:20:18

opinions. That's how They

1:20:20

throw you in and they go air is up,

1:20:22

but you got a stick around Air

1:20:26

is that way So

1:20:28

yeah, he says yes, I still go to the pool,

1:20:30

but I don't get the same turn on from diving Turn

1:20:33

on my favorite was always the

1:20:35

handstand somersault. I've had tens for

1:20:37

that now I get frustrated I

1:20:40

can no longer do the things I used to do He

1:20:43

said all four all of our old trophies

1:20:45

are on show at Olga and in cars

1:20:47

encouragement to their children Mandy and Erica 23

1:20:49

and 18 at this point They

1:20:52

said who cleans the cups. No one the

1:20:55

trick is the glass case They're kept

1:20:57

in is hermetically sealed so they don't

1:21:00

tarnish. Oh meaning their trophies Autograph

1:21:02

collectors around the world send me stamp addressed

1:21:04

envelopes for my signature But let's be frank

1:21:06

in the eyes of the young ones. I'm

1:21:08

a has been mind you a pretty

1:21:11

fit has been I'm five foot eight 11

1:21:14

stone eight pounds haven't had any

1:21:16

surplus haven't any surplus flesh

1:21:18

on me. That's the weirdest way I've

1:21:21

ever heard I'm not fat said what

1:21:23

does 11 stone mean how much is that

1:21:25

we figured that out before remember? Yeah, we figured it

1:21:28

out. I can't remember what that was. We've done it

1:21:30

like seven times Boxers

1:21:36

with boxers 15 pounds almost a stone 13 15 times 11 It's

1:21:43

close So

1:21:45

he says I'm in better shape

1:21:47

now than when I was diving

1:21:50

in the Olympics It

1:21:52

was either that or going to seed I

1:21:54

was nearly 40 when we open the health

1:21:56

club downstairs for the children's parents to work

1:21:58

out Might as well.

1:22:01

That's a good business move there. That's pretty smart. And

1:22:04

I was becoming soft around the middle. Now

1:22:06

I've even won bodybuilding awards. That's

1:22:10

fucking crazy. Yeah, biceps look great. No,

1:22:12

shit. He said, when I left school at

1:22:14

16, my last report said, very capable if

1:22:17

he works. And I guess I've proved that

1:22:19

to be the case. But I still have

1:22:21

bags of ambition I want to travel next.

1:22:24

Bags. Sacks. Yeah.

1:22:27

Of ambition. I've already been all over the world,

1:22:29

but I've missed out before. I didn't really see

1:22:31

much. At 16, 17, 18, I didn't give a

1:22:33

monkey's for the runes of Pompeii. A monkey's? I

1:22:39

guess a monkey's ass, but he just skips the ass part.

1:22:42

I was more interested in finding a nice

1:22:44

bit of skirt and some East German or

1:22:46

Russian diver that I fancied. Oh, late. I

1:22:48

was chasing skirt. That's what I was doing.

1:22:51

I was busy getting laid. Now

1:22:53

I'm older, more mature, and I reckon the time

1:22:55

has come for me to take the in the

1:22:57

sum of the scenery as well, which he probably.

1:23:00

Jesus Christ, probably got laid a ton. He

1:23:03

didn't have any. All he had was underwear

1:23:05

on. He's just walking around strutting himself. Yeah,

1:23:07

you could see the whole cock. Jesus Christ

1:23:09

all outlined here. So anyway, November 5th, 1996.

1:23:14

That's a big headline. Swimmers marooned in storm. Oh,

1:23:17

no. This

1:23:19

isn't good. Birmingham's leading swimming

1:23:21

club is counting the

1:23:24

cost of Hurricane Lily after they were

1:23:26

forced to spend three days marooned on

1:23:28

Jersey. Why didn't they just swim in a

1:23:30

pool? Or shit, you were

1:23:32

marooned. That means you're the best swimmers. You can

1:23:34

swim your way out of this. Perry

1:23:37

Beach's swimmer's, Perry Beach's is a

1:23:39

man, by the way. Oh,

1:23:43

is that right? We're

1:23:45

stranded on the island after the

1:23:47

storm prevented the hydrofoil from sailing,

1:23:49

leaving them 2000 pounds

1:23:51

out of pocket as they ran up additional hotel bills.

1:23:55

Coach Brian Phelps said, we turned up to get

1:23:57

the hydrofoil back home and they told us that

1:23:59

we're going to get the hydrofoil. It had been

1:24:01

canceled because of the weather the ferry wasn't leaving

1:24:03

either and luckily the hotel allowed us to rebook

1:24:06

The kids obviously thought it was great They were

1:24:08

getting time off school But it wasn't such a

1:24:10

good news for some of the adults who had

1:24:12

to explain why they were having time off work

1:24:15

Yeah, I'm stuck on an island

1:24:17

lucky one for me. I can't go anywhere Yeah

1:24:19

And there were even worse news for Pauline Jackson

1:24:21

one of the mums on the trip Quote

1:24:24

we took the children roller skating and she had

1:24:26

a go only she broke her wrist in the

1:24:28

process Jesus

1:24:30

Christ, so they got stuck on an island February

1:24:34

3rd 1999 There's

1:24:36

an article heroes of the millennium

1:24:38

right? Yeah, there he is a

1:24:41

hero He's got to celebrate everybody

1:24:43

from the last hundred years Brian Brian's

1:24:45

greatest Britain's greatest diver of all time

1:24:48

He was an Olympic bronze medalist at

1:24:50

the Rome Olympics in 60

1:24:52

and won the gold in 62 and

1:24:54

66 a Commonwealth Games Essex-born Phelps was

1:24:56

the youngest every European champion in 1958

1:24:58

in all these 114 national titles There

1:25:03

we go January 10th

1:25:05

2008. Okay now

1:25:07

it's ours later former Olympic diver

1:25:09

accused of sex attacks on two

1:25:11

girls sex attacks sex attacks Let's

1:25:13

find out about how old they are.

1:25:15

What did you okay? Brian Phelps one

1:25:17

of gold men or bras menoble was

1:25:20

accused of assaulting girls be aged between

1:25:22

6 and 15 Why

1:25:24

over a 10-year period?

1:25:26

Oh boy from 1980

1:25:28

so 1976 Okay,

1:25:32

he was remanded in custody 63 now Jesus

1:25:35

Christ that is fucking he's also a

1:25:37

well-known diving commentator for Euro sport. This

1:25:40

is 30 years ago. This is crazy

1:25:42

Yeah in 1980 his daughter Erica then

1:25:44

aged 12 won a silver medal. He

1:25:47

won No

1:25:49

in court yesterday, mr. Phelps made no

1:25:51

application for bail He was charged with

1:25:53

four counts of rape against one girl

1:25:55

and the attempted rape of a second

1:25:57

girl He's also been accused of night

1:26:00

13 counts of indecent assault and 19 counts

1:26:02

of gross indecency. The

1:26:05

assaults are alleged to have taken place when

1:26:07

he was working as a gymnast and trampoline

1:26:10

instructor. Yeah,

1:26:14

remember the other one he was showing his dick

1:26:16

to 14 year olds and all that? Okay,

1:26:18

there's a weird thing here and

1:26:20

obviously this

1:26:22

is, I'm just gonna put this

1:26:24

out there. I was just reading

1:26:27

an article where a psychologist was

1:26:29

talking about Leonardo DiCaprio and

1:26:31

saying why he only fucks 23 year olds

1:26:33

and they said he got famous when he

1:26:35

was 23. That's when

1:26:37

Titanic blew up and that was best life.

1:26:39

They said so that people often that are famous

1:26:41

get stuck in the time that they were

1:26:43

first famous. That was when he was 14. So

1:26:46

for him, these are the girls

1:26:48

that he looked at when he was 14. I'm

1:26:50

not saying that's an excuse or anything like that.

1:26:52

I'm saying that's some weird perverted thing that people

1:26:55

have where they're disturbed. Luckily for us, no one

1:26:57

knew shit about us till we were 40 fucking

1:26:59

two years old. So it's great. We'll

1:27:03

only show our dicks to older women.

1:27:05

There's also a, there's also a, like,

1:27:09

um, there's a trauma to that,

1:27:11

that a lot of people that are like

1:27:13

sexually perverted have. And that's a very common

1:27:15

thing too. Like if your perversion

1:27:17

happens when you're eight, sometimes they just frozen

1:27:19

there and they see those people as their,

1:27:22

as their peers. It's so fuck. You

1:27:24

can be 65, look at an eight year old

1:27:26

and be like, let's talk. That's

1:27:29

creepy. We're the same, buddy. That's so

1:27:31

why. Yeah. They just didn't develop

1:27:33

and they don't get it. They don't know. I think that's what

1:27:35

there's a brain thing. There's

1:27:37

a brain thing there with that. That's a problem. I'm

1:27:39

convinced of it. That's possible.

1:27:42

Yeah. I just don't think

1:27:44

he, I think he doesn't want to admit that he's fucking

1:27:46

old now. There's that too. That

1:27:48

too. But I've seen, he's

1:27:50

a creep. I know things about him from his childhood

1:27:52

and he was a fucking dork. He's a dork. Yeah.

1:27:56

And now we can, and he got, he did this shit

1:27:58

so that he could get laid and now he can. and

1:28:00

he wants to fuck the girls that would never fuck him.

1:28:02

Now, Brian also, coming

1:28:04

up and swimming, we

1:28:06

don't know what happened to him either. He's hanging around

1:28:08

with a bunch of older guys in the 50s who

1:28:11

wouldn't have said anything in his underwear all the

1:28:13

time. You can see it. Again,

1:28:15

not an excuse, but reasons for why

1:28:17

this might have happened. But you have to go, hey, I

1:28:20

didn't like that. Why would I do that to other people?

1:28:22

And it's fascinating that, I mean, you've come

1:28:24

to the conclusion of Boy

1:28:27

Scout leaders going, boys in the woods, I'll

1:28:29

do it. We should be questioning that guy.

1:28:31

It's weird that perverts tend to just run

1:28:34

to opportunities to be around children. To

1:28:36

volunteer. Clergy, fucking

1:28:39

pastors, coaches, all

1:28:41

these people that work with children, that's where

1:28:44

perverts are drawn. Not that only perverts are

1:28:46

drawn. But perverts are also drawn to that.

1:28:48

If you're going to host that or be

1:28:50

a part of that, you better have a

1:28:52

vetting process that is second to none. If

1:28:55

you have a pond, it's going to bring

1:28:57

fish. That's also going to breed

1:28:59

mosquitoes. That's the thing. It's going to breed good

1:29:01

things and bad things. Let's possibly vet that better

1:29:03

than, I don't know, vice presidents

1:29:05

that run. Yeah, anything. Anything. Any candidate for

1:29:08

anything. Just vet them harder than them. They're

1:29:10

going to be around kids. Around kids, I

1:29:12

would say. That's crazy. Yeah, whoever the fuck.

1:29:14

Whatever agents. I don't give a shit. So

1:29:17

anyway, January 18, 2000. He's

1:29:21

a fucking mess, dude. Truly. So now he's

1:29:23

sitting in jail, remanded. He's

1:29:26

not even asking for bail. Right. He's not looking

1:29:28

for a defense at all right now. He wants

1:29:30

us to be, he wants us to go away.

1:29:32

And it's crazy because out of everybody, we haven't

1:29:34

heard anything from his wife here. There's only one

1:29:36

guy who has his back. Who's that? There's only

1:29:38

one guy who has his back, and he's sitting

1:29:41

in his jail cell. And here

1:29:43

he comes. The door swings open. We're agents.

1:29:45

I don't give a shit. Yeah. So anyway,

1:29:47

January 18, 2000. He's

1:29:51

a fucking mess, dude. Truly. So now he's

1:29:53

sitting in jail, remanded. He's

1:29:56

not even asking for bail. Right. He's not looking for a

1:29:58

defense at all right now. He wants

1:30:01

us to go away. And it's crazy because

1:30:03

out of everybody, we haven't heard anything from

1:30:05

his wife here. There's only one guy

1:30:07

who has his back. Who's that? There's only

1:30:09

one guy who has his back and he's sitting in his jail

1:30:11

cell and here he comes. The

1:30:14

door swings open and here he

1:30:16

is and it's Vince McMahon. Thank

1:30:18

God. Former CEO and everything else

1:30:20

at WWE and now just an

1:30:22

old pervert. I thought you figured

1:30:24

a Chris DeLea impression. No.

1:30:28

What would that be? Bad joke and then

1:30:30

message a teenager? And

1:30:32

he says... How

1:30:42

is it you've come to arrive here? These

1:30:45

people, they don't understand. They don't

1:30:47

get it. No. You were

1:30:49

just being friendly. Right. Only I

1:30:51

understand. See, I get it. I've been there.

1:30:54

You've seen my documentary. I've been there, see? What

1:30:57

you need to do is the statute of... See

1:30:59

what I said is the statute of limitations up.

1:31:01

You have to do what I say and say

1:31:03

even if it was rape, the

1:31:05

statute of limitations is we're well past that now.

1:31:08

You have to figure what the years are. But

1:31:11

either way, I'd like to give you my card.

1:31:13

I'm starting a new company and I could really

1:31:16

use some fellas like you in there

1:31:18

with me. It's great. We have

1:31:20

orgies and it's in the office. We tag

1:31:22

team each other. There's another guy. Trampoline Wrestling.

1:31:25

It's a new company and I'd like you to be the... Just

1:31:28

kind of run. Face of it. I'd like you

1:31:30

to bring up the youngsters is what I'd like you to

1:31:32

do in my company. And I have an appointment. I have

1:31:34

to go. I'm sorry. But

1:31:36

when you get out, definitely give me a call. And then poof

1:31:39

in a cloud of 1099s and lawsuits. And

1:31:42

other people sweat. And other people sweat blood

1:31:44

and tears and fucking

1:31:46

mental capacity. Pow. He

1:31:49

disappears. Now January 18th, 2008. Don't

1:31:54

forget about his brother, by the way. He

1:31:57

was, well, the brother of him, John Phelps,

1:31:59

55. was quizzed

1:32:01

by detectives investigating historical sex

1:32:03

abuse allegations. Quizzed? Yeah, that's

1:32:05

a gross quiz. Ew. I

1:32:08

don't want to pass that quiz. He got arrested too.

1:32:10

He's now released on bail. His arrest

1:32:12

comes eight days after his brother

1:32:14

Brian was also arrested. So this

1:32:17

was a team effort. Right. Tag

1:32:19

team. He was accused

1:32:21

of four counts of rape, as we said, Brian and Kwan.

1:32:24

Magistrates heard how Brian Phelps had returned from

1:32:26

his retirement home in France to face the

1:32:28

charges. Prosecutors objected to bail

1:32:30

and he was remanded in custody. He knew too

1:32:32

many answers to that quiz. I

1:32:35

would fucking say so. This is gross. I

1:32:38

don't even know what to say about

1:32:40

this. It's a family affair. The spotlight

1:32:43

is following his brother, a former bodybuilder

1:32:45

and weightlifter who ran Shapes Fitness Club

1:32:47

and Bodybuilding Center in pool with his

1:32:50

wife Rosie, the super fit former Olympic

1:32:52

squad canoeist and sprint race canoeist. There's

1:32:55

Olympic canoeing? I guess. Day 1. And

1:33:12

onuted his life. Day

1:33:17

2. And one count of gross indecency between 75

1:33:19

and 80, 1975 and 80. He

1:33:25

faces 43 charges, including

1:33:28

rape and decent assault, gross indecency, and

1:33:30

gross is a good word there. And

1:33:32

attempted rape dating back to 1976

1:33:34

and 1986. He's

1:33:37

been horny for children his whole life. Oh my

1:33:39

god. Or is this all children? Or is there

1:33:42

adults? These are all kids. Oh my god. This

1:33:45

is all under, with people under 14. This

1:33:48

is between 6 and 14. These are children.

1:33:51

He has a type. Yeah. And

1:33:53

they're very, very little. The

1:33:55

father of two had been

1:33:57

living, that's disturbing, in Laval-Bessnot,

1:33:59

France, or Bessna, France, but

1:34:02

is currently in the HMP Dorchester, not

1:34:04

as nice. Just

1:34:07

hours before yesterday's court appearance, his

1:34:09

brother was charged with two rapes

1:34:11

and nine indecent assaults. The

1:34:14

historical quote unquote sex abuse charges relate

1:34:17

to four alleged victims between 78 and

1:34:19

93. The father of two also

1:34:21

ran a gym. Holy shit, he was

1:34:23

released on bail though, the brother. Really? It's

1:34:25

a lot of rape. Wow,

1:34:27

April 16th, 2008, former

1:34:31

Olympic medalist admits sex abuse allegations. He's just

1:34:34

going to take it on the chin. He's

1:34:36

old. A former Olympic diver cleared

1:34:38

more than 40 years ago of

1:34:40

indecently exposing himself to a teenage girl

1:34:42

in a Northeast swimming baths has admitted

1:34:44

a catalog of abuse of abuse, including

1:34:47

children as young as six. You

1:34:50

piece of shit. He likes. Bryant.

1:34:53

Oh my God. What the fuck? He

1:34:56

said he finally admitted in court yesterday,

1:34:58

more than three decades after he molested

1:35:00

his first victim. Golly. Fuck

1:35:02

now. Oh my God. His

1:35:05

attorney in mitigation

1:35:09

asked for preparation of pre-sentence reports

1:35:11

and the judge adjourned sentencing. This

1:35:14

is disturbing. The

1:35:17

offenses took place over a 10 year

1:35:19

period from the mid 70s from when

1:35:21

Phelps's victims were between six and 16

1:35:23

following an initial complaint stemming from just

1:35:25

one victim. The extensive press coverage led

1:35:27

to other victims coming forward. We've

1:35:30

been subjected to similar offenses and

1:35:32

similar circumstances. This enabled us to

1:35:34

establish Phelps's full criminality. This is

1:35:36

like a British Weinstein. Yeah.

1:35:39

Wow. This is going on

1:35:41

forever. British Cosby, but worse, these are children.

1:35:44

That's a difference. Right. Weinstein was

1:35:46

at least molesting adult actresses

1:35:48

for the most part. They weren't six

1:35:50

anyway. I mean, British

1:35:52

Nassar. Yeah. Yeah.

1:35:55

There you go. Larry Nassar, because he's a coach. It's perfect

1:35:57

for that. 2008

1:36:00

pervert jailed as the headline. Shamed

1:36:04

Olympic diving star now he is, that's

1:36:06

his headline name, was jailed on Thursday

1:36:08

for you sir may

1:36:11

fuck off nine years in

1:36:13

prison. What? That is the line,

1:36:16

are you out of your mind nine years? Nine,

1:36:18

I guess that gives him nine years to kill

1:36:20

him? What do they, I don't understand what that

1:36:22

is. He's 64 but still after

1:36:24

admitting a shocking catalog of

1:36:26

sex, child sex abuse offenses.

1:36:29

Nine years. That is insane. He

1:36:31

did it longer than that, you know what I mean?

1:36:34

His first victim he molested was six he

1:36:36

said. Yeah. Six. How

1:36:39

old was he? This was in the 70s. God

1:36:41

damn. He was over 30. God. Not

1:36:44

seven, put it that way. Under, not

1:36:46

in elementary school. Right, yeah. Above the

1:36:48

third grade so I would say. Holy

1:36:50

fuck man. That is

1:36:52

disturbing. So his, that first run

1:36:54

in with the flashing. Absolutely true,

1:36:56

happened. Yeah. For sure.

1:36:59

But I mean he'd been doing it

1:37:01

so many times before and gradually eased

1:37:03

into actually touching him. Absolutely.

1:37:06

That's fucked up and he got away with it. And

1:37:08

the best part is the next line of this article

1:37:10

is silver haired felts. 65,

1:37:12

that couldn't be, I didn't write that. Couldn't be

1:37:15

more accurate. Couldn't be more perfect. Accurate, yeah. Pleaded

1:37:17

guilty to 25 indecent assaults and 17

1:37:20

gross indecency offenses from the mid

1:37:23

70s involving three young girls. God

1:37:25

damn. Oh man, they heard how the father

1:37:27

of two had abused two victims in his

1:37:29

gym having sex with one in the basement.

1:37:32

He wasn't just, what? He was

1:37:34

actually, this is, wow. He

1:37:36

told her quote, it's our little secret.

1:37:40

Giving her chocolate after molesting her in

1:37:42

his car and in the woods. He

1:37:44

took this poor girl in the woods

1:37:47

molested her and then said, here's some

1:37:49

fucking chocolate. Yikes. Nine

1:37:51

years. Are you kidding me? Yikes. Just

1:37:53

for the chocolate. You should get an

1:37:56

extra five. The bribery and the attempt

1:37:58

and the piss poor. What

1:38:01

an asshole man, this is terrible. This poor kid

1:38:03

said it was a way of life, it went

1:38:05

on for so long it became the norm. That's

1:38:09

horrifying. Horrifying. The

1:38:11

prosecutor said that the abuse

1:38:13

stopped just after the girl's

1:38:15

16th birthday. You know, when

1:38:18

it became legal in England for him to actually have. So he's

1:38:20

like, oh, that's no fun. I just

1:38:22

don't get the same buzz. She looked like his

1:38:24

wife. When I can't be arrested. Yeah. Oh

1:38:27

God, that's fucked up, man. She

1:38:30

had become an emotional wreck and hated Phillips

1:38:32

with a vengeance. She said the court was

1:38:34

told how Phelps, or Phelps, not Phillips, who

1:38:36

returned from his retirement home in France had

1:38:39

abused his second victim from the age of six

1:38:41

telling her, you know, I love you, don't you? You

1:38:44

piece of shit. His third victim was

1:38:46

also molested from the age of six. That's when

1:38:48

he starts with them. So that's

1:38:50

that. He's got a fucking. He's got a

1:38:52

threshold of when they're good. When

1:38:54

they get a shelf life when he's most manipulative

1:38:57

over them. And then he does it for years.

1:38:59

Probably do it earlier if they'd understand what he's

1:39:01

saying. That's what I mean. And then for 10

1:39:03

years he does it until they age out for

1:39:05

him. Wow. Her

1:39:07

third victim, that's disgusting. Phelps told police

1:39:10

he was a high caliber sportsman and

1:39:12

an awesome character who had struggled with

1:39:14

the pressure of his early success. Estimating

1:39:17

that he had coached 280,000 children, Phelps

1:39:20

described himself as a bit of a

1:39:22

sex addict. And

1:39:24

then this is the part that makes me want

1:39:26

to fly to England and fucking drown this guy

1:39:28

in his prison cell toilet. He

1:39:31

told detectives the girls never said no

1:39:33

or to stop. Wow, man. They can't.

1:39:36

They don't know what they're doing. It was totally consensual when

1:39:38

they're six and I'm 40. That's totally

1:39:40

normal. What a piece of shit. Please

1:39:42

don't isolate that. I can't believe you

1:39:44

said that. What the fuck?

1:39:47

Defense barrister Ian Ross said he regards

1:39:49

this period of his life as very

1:39:51

shameful. I fucking hope so. For 20

1:39:53

years or so after these events he

1:39:55

worked blamelessly. He really has touched the

1:39:57

lives of but don't say that. He's

1:40:00

touched the lives of many children, but now realizes

1:40:02

he has to pay for what he's done. Lives

1:40:06

ain't the only thing. Wow. Good

1:40:09

God. The judge described his offenses as horrific.

1:40:12

He told Phelps, what you did to

1:40:14

those three young girls was almost as

1:40:16

terrible and horrible sexually as you can

1:40:18

imagine short of rape. The

1:40:21

other girl, he did rape some of them. He

1:40:23

was banned from ever working with children again and

1:40:25

must register as a sex offender also. The

1:40:28

prosecutor said that the guilty pleas saved

1:40:30

the victims from having to testify and

1:40:32

over. That's why he got less. It's

1:40:34

been nine years, man. That's nothing. They

1:40:40

should give him more for exposing himself

1:40:42

to his other... Let's reopen that. Wow.

1:40:46

The prosecutor said, no sentence will make

1:40:48

up for the lifetime of suffering his

1:40:50

victims have had to endure. Man.

1:40:55

Since his former employer, Burrow

1:40:57

of Pool confirmed that unsubstantiated allegations

1:40:59

had been made against him in

1:41:01

1999, which is almost 10 years

1:41:03

earlier than this. But

1:41:06

also like 20 years after the other ones.

1:41:08

Yeah. When the new information

1:41:11

was received in September 2003, a joint

1:41:13

protection inquiry was launched with Dorset Police.

1:41:17

A spokesman said, British gymnastics was

1:41:19

formally advised of the allegations of

1:41:21

the organization that instigated

1:41:23

its own child protection procedures. Phelps

1:41:26

was suspended from British gymnastics in

1:41:28

2004 and immediately barred from Rossmore

1:41:30

Leisure Center. Cool. Never

1:41:33

mind nine years. He's banned from the Leisure Center. He's

1:41:35

not allowed at the Leisure Center anymore. Prior

1:41:38

to a formal disciplinary hearing by British

1:41:40

gymnastics, Phelps resigned from the organization in

1:41:42

March 2004. So this has

1:41:44

been bubbling for 10 years. This

1:41:46

was bubbling while they had an article

1:41:48

saying Sportsman for Century. And he knew.

1:41:51

Holy shit. He's a, he

1:41:53

is a fucking terrible person. He's a

1:41:55

guy. Those girls, you can't feel bad enough for

1:41:57

those girls. You know what I mean? fucking

1:42:00

what about his kids? Oh, goddamn. We don't

1:42:02

know if he touched them or not, but

1:42:05

even if he didn't, they have to feel

1:42:07

fucking awful. You would feel awful if you

1:42:09

were the same age as the kids your

1:42:11

dad was teaching and he was molesting them.

1:42:13

You would feel fucking terrible. I mean, I

1:42:15

feel bad for all these people, Jimmy, but

1:42:18

not nearly as bad as I feel for

1:42:20

Brian Phelps, an American

1:42:22

radio personality, an occasional actor best known

1:42:24

for the nationally syndicated Mark and Brian

1:42:26

morning show. Oh, he's a Mark and

1:42:28

Brian guy? Who the fuck is that?

1:42:31

You know who that is? I do know who Mark and Brian

1:42:34

are. They used to, they

1:42:36

do fucking morning zoo shit. So

1:42:38

they're insufferable douchebags is what you're telling

1:42:40

me? I think they used to be

1:42:43

in Phoenix. They're not still doing it,

1:42:45

are they? One

1:42:47

of them I think got, maybe, let

1:42:50

me make sure. I think one of them got

1:42:52

a DUI here. Wow, that

1:42:54

is, nothing

1:42:57

I hate more than morning radio people. I want to see

1:42:59

if it's the right one. That's the fucking worst. It's definitely

1:43:01

them dude. No, it is.

1:43:03

It's Brian Wayne Phelps. Yeah. And they were

1:43:06

here. Oh my God. He attended

1:43:09

college. Holy fuck, they look

1:43:11

crazy. Yeah,

1:43:15

they look like morning zoo assholes. Exactly

1:43:17

what they look like. That's exactly it.

1:43:19

The enormous popularity of his radio show

1:43:22

has given Phelps several opportunities to branch

1:43:24

out and other entertainment media. In 1991,

1:43:26

1992, he and Thompson hosted a short-lived

1:43:29

NBC TV series, The Adventures of Mark

1:43:31

and Brian, based on their radio show.

1:43:35

He's also appeared in several motion

1:43:37

pictures. Notably, Jason Goes to Hell,

1:43:39

the final Friday. The Princess Diaries

1:43:42

also made numerous TV guest appearances,

1:43:44

including the role of Reverend Gig

1:43:47

LaCarp on Comedy Central's show,

1:43:49

Reno 911. He's on

1:43:52

Reno fucking 911. Oh my God. You

1:43:54

know who he is? I know exactly

1:43:56

who he is. He is the goddamn

1:43:58

preacher. He's the, yes. Yes. Oh my

1:44:00

God. He's the preacher. locks them in.

1:44:02

That's, well, he's very good

1:44:04

on that. He's very good at being a piece

1:44:06

of shit. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Okay. Well, you

1:44:08

know what? He's good on that. I'll give him

1:44:10

that. He may be. I hate morning zoo, but

1:44:12

that's, that's decent. And he didn't molest any kids

1:44:14

that we know of. So you know what? Let's

1:44:16

give him a pass. Yeah. You're fine, Brian. But

1:44:19

they're not friends anymore. No. And the careers over.

1:44:21

No, they're all, he's also like 67 years old.

1:44:23

He's an old man. 65. Brian

1:44:25

Phelps, uh, also manager,

1:44:27

data scientist, and analytic analytics

1:44:30

at group M in Southern and

1:44:32

what is it? Stanford, Connecticut. And

1:44:35

also Brian Phelps, CMAA

1:44:37

director of athletics, an

1:44:39

Indian Hill exempted village school district. This

1:44:42

guy works with kids. So many kids.

1:44:44

Oh God. He's like, I'm not, it's

1:44:46

not me. I didn't do it. Don't

1:44:48

Google me. If you do make

1:44:50

sure you put American Brian Phelps, not

1:44:52

teacher. I went to Xavier. I didn't,

1:44:54

none of that shit. Yikes.

1:44:56

February 17th, 2023, gymnastics, a historical

1:45:02

sex abuse case, survivors claims

1:45:05

catastrophic failures. What? They talk

1:45:08

about, um, he admitted a

1:45:10

string of all the shit. Um, however,

1:45:12

one girl who they're just her fake

1:45:14

name here, Emma, uh, whose name the

1:45:17

BBC has changed to protect her identity claims are at

1:45:19

least 12 further victims, including

1:45:22

herself talking

1:45:24

to BBC sport. Emma revealed how in

1:45:27

the mid seventies from the age of

1:45:29

five, she was raped and molested by

1:45:31

felt at the shops at the trampolining

1:45:33

gym. He ran with his wife Monica.

1:45:36

I hope his wife stabs

1:45:38

him when he gets out of this shit just for

1:45:40

fucking doing this while she was on property. Oh, that

1:45:43

is horrible too. Then it's a team effort.

1:45:45

It's even more disgusting. She's then it's a

1:45:48

conspiracy. It's even grosser. Um, wow,

1:45:50

that is gross. Um, the British gymnast

1:45:52

affiliated, uh, gymnastics affiliated gym then moved

1:45:55

to a new premises and was renamed

1:45:57

Olga. Emma says the abuse continued in

1:45:59

a base. room. She

1:46:01

said they called the basement Happy

1:46:04

Land. No. God damn it. Why

1:46:07

would they call it that? God,

1:46:09

it's worse than BTK and Disneyland.

1:46:11

This is disgusting. Why

1:46:14

did they do? At least he was tying

1:46:16

himself up and jerking off. This is horrifying.

1:46:18

Happy Man. They gave it a it gets

1:46:21

worse. There were Disney characters painted on the

1:46:23

walls there including the characters from Snow White

1:46:25

and the seven dwarfs. They put it they

1:46:28

painted a mural for you to distract him. He

1:46:30

made it as comfortable as it could be for

1:46:32

kids because he knew he was going to ****

1:46:35

torture them down there. Yeah. That is disgusting. What

1:46:37

a **** piece of **** What

1:46:40

an utter and complete pile of ****

1:46:43

this guy is. He made them hate Disney man.

1:46:45

What? Oh, they I think they would hate it

1:46:47

after that. I would never want to watch anything.

1:46:49

No, if you hear small world, you're going to

1:46:52

snap and start murdering people. Yeah. Jesus.

1:46:54

Mr. Toad's wild ride. Alright.

1:46:57

Horrific things happen there. She says quote unquote

1:46:59

or quote keep going. Every element of the

1:47:02

worst that can happen to a little girl

1:47:04

when they're in the hands of a pedophile.

1:47:07

I think a little part of your soul

1:47:09

when something like that brutal happens breaks off.

1:47:12

Emma told police of her abuse in the

1:47:14

early 90s. Yeah. They've

1:47:16

known about this. They didn't do anything. Wow.

1:47:18

While she was suffering from anorexia but didn't feel

1:47:20

strong enough to press charges. I guess she didn't

1:47:22

press but she shouldn't have to press. He did

1:47:24

this. We got it from here.

1:47:27

We'll check it out. I'll handle it.

1:47:30

Yeah. We will tie him to a ****

1:47:32

board and put a hot poker up. We're

1:47:34

going to go this. Yeah. When she when

1:47:36

she claimed it, uh. Wow. Happy Land still

1:47:39

existed. They should have just gone. They should

1:47:41

just go see if Happy Land exists. Let's

1:47:43

see it but she said the recent exposure

1:47:45

of the mistreatment in the sport plus the

1:47:47

white review investigation of systemic physical and emotional

1:47:50

abuse and gymnastics made her feel empowered to

1:47:52

speak out. She's in touch

1:47:54

with lawyers and considering legal action to

1:47:56

compel British gymnastics to compensate her for

1:47:58

years of therapy plus. a center for

1:48:01

abuse survivors. Emma added,

1:48:03

there were catastrophic failures across multiple institutions

1:48:05

that contributed to what happened to us.

1:48:07

At the county level, obviously British gymnastics,

1:48:09

everyone else who should have been regulating

1:48:11

what was happening at the time. It's

1:48:14

now about redirecting the deep, deep

1:48:16

shame that exists within ourselves as

1:48:18

trauma survivors back into where it

1:48:20

belongs, which is everyone who was

1:48:23

complicit in all the things that happened to us. Jesus,

1:48:26

British gymnastics told the BBC it was,

1:48:29

quote, truly sorry for any abuse that

1:48:31

had taken place in the sport. Oh,

1:48:33

well that's good. And said that Emma

1:48:35

has received extensive one-to-one support from its

1:48:37

safeguarding team over several months. Oh, well

1:48:39

that's great. Well thank God. 30 years

1:48:41

too late. Yeah. Wonderful.

1:48:44

It added, our reform 25 action plan, meaning

1:48:46

year 2025 sets out how we've learned from

1:48:50

past, from the past, including

1:48:53

working with survivors and developing a restorative

1:48:55

support over in the next two years.

1:48:58

Phelps told the BBC he absolutely

1:49:00

denies all allegations made against him

1:49:02

by Emma and said he did

1:49:05

not even enter the basement. He

1:49:07

said in 2008, the child protection team

1:49:09

sought out lots of children who were

1:49:11

closely associated with me through sport, looking

1:49:13

for victims who had quote, slipped through

1:49:16

the net with zero response. What? He's

1:49:18

now denying that shit. You didn't do it. Wow.

1:49:21

Emma- 80 counts? Yeah.

1:49:24

But not her. Okay. Yeah.

1:49:28

Emma was 12 when she told her parents

1:49:30

she couldn't keep going to the gym, but

1:49:32

it wasn't until 2008 when she admitted Phelps

1:49:34

admitted 42 counts of historical indecent assault and

1:49:36

gross indecency against three children aged between six

1:49:39

and 15, she realized she wasn't his only

1:49:41

victim. He was put on the

1:49:43

sex offenders registry for life and charged

1:49:45

with rape and attempted rape but denied it. Oh

1:49:48

my God. This is,

1:49:51

this is disturbing. They said that in

1:49:53

1979, a finalist in the BBC's hit

1:49:55

show superstars, more accusations were made about

1:49:58

Phelps's his conduct in the 90s, but

1:50:00

no action was taken. Wasn't until three

1:50:02

women came forward in 2003, that

1:50:05

he was suspended from gymnastics for

1:50:08

the following year and eventually sentenced four

1:50:10

years later. Despite the association with a

1:50:12

convicted pedophile, the Olga Jimbran has continued

1:50:14

to operate in the pool area. What?

1:50:17

With a second venue opening in 2006,

1:50:20

both run by everyone active in

1:50:22

association with Bournemouth Christ Church and

1:50:24

Pool Council. What?

1:50:27

Emma said, what was it like to

1:50:29

know that it was still going? Horrific.

1:50:31

What was it like to see them

1:50:33

expanding? Brutal. It felt like they

1:50:35

kept alive the celebrity element of the brand

1:50:38

and just buried the horrible part. That's

1:50:41

hurt. Horrible. I mean, a church is running it.

1:50:43

No, no, no, Christ Church is a place. Oh, it's

1:50:45

a different thing. Yeah, like in New Zealand, Christ, yeah,

1:50:48

it's not an actual church. I was gonna say, if

1:50:50

you put a church into it, now you're just- Now

1:50:52

it's extra. Now it's extra gross. Yeah, now you're just

1:50:54

fucking directing fish into a shark's mouth at this point.

1:50:56

This is insane. This is bad shit.

1:51:00

BCB Council and Everyone Active told the BBC

1:51:02

that with the help of British gymnastics, they're

1:51:04

now in the process of changing the name,

1:51:06

uniforms, and branding. We'll rebrand it. All

1:51:09

good now. Wow.

1:51:12

In a joint statement, they said, Olga Pool

1:51:14

has a long legacy but also a history

1:51:16

which continues to have an adverse resonance for

1:51:18

some of its former members many years later.

1:51:22

Understatement. We fully understand the impact that the

1:51:24

continued use of the original name would have.

1:51:26

We do not underestimate the seriousness of the

1:51:28

situation and are working closely with everyone involved

1:51:31

to make the transition to the new name

1:51:33

as smooth as possible. How about just make

1:51:35

sure what you need to do? There's nothing

1:51:37

historical about Olga for us. People have no

1:51:39

idea long-term effects of child sexual abuse. This

1:51:42

is Emma talking. And other things that were

1:51:44

happening within gymnastics. The way we were just

1:51:46

taught to ignore pain and suffering and just

1:51:48

take it on the chin and suck it

1:51:50

up. Don't say that. Either of

1:51:52

those two things. I think she did that on

1:51:55

purpose, though. Did she? Yeah, because I think that's

1:51:57

what it is. I think she's saying that they,

1:51:59

they're, when. you're hurt when you're fucked. They tell

1:52:01

these kids no matter what's going on, you fall,

1:52:03

hit your head, get up, do it again. No

1:52:05

complaining. No, like that's what they tell these kids.

1:52:08

Just do it again, do it better. Those two

1:52:10

phrases are terrible. Oh, they're terrible. But I think

1:52:12

that's what they, they just lumped, being molesting

1:52:15

in with that. And that's

1:52:17

a tough hard thing. It's fucking horrifying.

1:52:19

Yeah, that's gross. She said, putting it

1:52:21

all together, that completely alters the trajectory

1:52:24

of our lives. Okay. That

1:52:26

is gross. The review said the

1:52:28

difficulties now facing, facing British gymnastics,

1:52:31

the sports national governing body are

1:52:33

born of an adequate practice and

1:52:35

procedure and reflect the culture with

1:52:37

which was the product of the

1:52:39

way in which people behaved were

1:52:41

allowed to behave. Yeah. February

1:52:44

21st, 2023, sexual predator Brian Phelps walks free. What?

1:52:49

But the former trampolining coaches sickening crimes

1:52:52

against children escape attention because it's not

1:52:54

football. That's the fucking article. It's

1:52:57

the swagger of Brian Phelps, which takes

1:52:59

your breath away and reveals how

1:53:02

the perpetrators of a sports, most unspeakable

1:53:04

crimes have so much in common. The

1:53:06

charismatic former Olympic diver was engaged in

1:53:08

the routine sexual assault of young girls

1:53:10

at the gym he'd set up when

1:53:12

he gave several interviews to promote the

1:53:14

place in the eighties. He joked

1:53:16

with one interviewer about how when younger he

1:53:18

enjoyed finding a nice bit of skirt.

1:53:20

Remember we found that? Yeah, he was

1:53:23

molesting children at that time. It was

1:53:25

a little skirt. God dang. Some

1:53:27

little East German or Russian diver that

1:53:29

I fancied. He told another that parents

1:53:31

were not welcome in the gym. Remember

1:53:33

when we read that? Yeah. Mothers

1:53:36

are terrific, he said, but perhaps not when you're working with their

1:53:38

children. When

1:53:40

some of the girls he abused became women and

1:53:42

testified to his crimes, he was charged with multiple

1:53:45

rape and indecent assault charges. His

1:53:47

brother, John, a former Olympic squad

1:53:49

canoes turned predatory gym owner, got

1:53:51

12 similar crimes. They were sentenced

1:53:53

together. Anyone who has

1:53:55

followed the case of Barry Bennell, the football

1:53:58

pedophile whose name is a byword. for predatory

1:54:00

abuse on this side of the pond. That's

1:54:02

weird. The football pedophile. Football

1:54:04

pedophile. That's a good title to have.

1:54:07

We'll discern some chilling parallels here.

1:54:09

Phelps, just like Benel, basked in

1:54:11

publicity and paraded charisma, which left

1:54:13

his parents unaware or left

1:54:16

in denial that he was actually abusing their

1:54:18

children. He boasted about his

1:54:20

physique. I haven't any surplus flesh on

1:54:23

me, he told one interviewer. He

1:54:25

entered bodybuilding competitions. He

1:54:27

even commented on diving

1:54:29

for the BBC's grandstand whilst doing

1:54:32

his abusing. Right. Yet

1:54:34

there's significant difference between these two serial abusers.

1:54:36

It's when we come to public

1:54:39

awareness that the paths of Phelps and

1:54:41