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Greetings friends, welcome back to Critically

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Acclaims the film review podcast. Where

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good taste? Just play the sound

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effect. My name is Whitney Seibold.

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I am a film critic. I

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contribute to slash film with me

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as always is the far more

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simulating and this week far better

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watched film critic William introduced yourself.

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My name is William Bibbiani. I

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am a film critic, hi, right

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for the rap. And gosh darn

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it, everybody calls me bibbs. And

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we're here to review some movie

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films. The best kind for theaters.

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Oh, well some of them

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This this week uncritically claimed

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We're reviewing the new releases a

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Minecraft movie. I appreciate how they're

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downplaying it. It's not the Minecraft

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No, it's just one of them

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which is which is also very

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presumptuous if they make another I'm

1:00

sure they'll call it another

1:02

Minecraft. I mean that would

1:05

be funny We're also going

1:07

to be reviewing the biopic

1:09

the luckiest man in America

1:12

The latest public domain slasher

1:14

movie, Screenboat. We did one

1:17

last week too about Popeye.

1:19

This one is about Mickey

1:21

Mouse. And then the co-directorial

1:24

debut of Finn Wolfhard, a

1:26

slasher comedy called Hell of

1:28

a Summer. And here's the

1:30

thing about Finn Wolfhard.

1:33

He wolfs very hard. He's

1:35

he's one of the stranger kids I mean

1:37

I guess I don't know he

1:39

might be strange I I mix

1:41

up I think it's many of

1:43

them are the same kids there's

1:45

a lot of crossover between those

1:48

two there's at least a little

1:50

right I can't keep driving the

1:52

80s horror guys yeah I did

1:54

watch the first season of Stranger

1:56

thing couldn't tell you think about

1:58

it I watched it exited my

2:00

brain pretty quickly yeah I wasn't

2:02

I I watched those everything they

2:05

were reference when it came out.

2:07

And as much as I was

2:09

like, this is fine, but I

2:11

didn't really see how it was

2:13

its own thing. Now, maybe it

2:15

got better. It's my understanding people

2:17

are still very obsessed with it.

2:19

I'm not decrying stranger things, but

2:21

I will not be referencing stranger

2:24

things very hard in my hell

2:26

of a summer review or elsewhere.

2:28

Because... I've seen Finn Wolfhard act

2:30

in a few films. So I'm

2:32

eager to hear what he did

2:34

as a director. What did you

2:36

do, Finn Wolfhard? What did you

2:38

do? I am interested when actors

2:41

begin to direct. Yeah. Just to

2:43

see. Like, um. I know what

2:45

their performances are like, but what

2:47

kind of a creator are they?

2:49

I'd like to see that. Anytime

2:51

someone makes the shift, whether it's,

2:53

you know, actor turns director, writer

2:55

turns director, cinematographer turns director, doesn't

2:57

happen as often, but always cool

3:00

when it does. costume designer, who

3:02

directed the original Twilight? Catherine Hardwick.

3:04

Okay. She was a customer designer

3:06

memory. So there's a production designer.

3:08

One of those. I'm gonna look

3:10

that up. She deserves it. She

3:12

deserves so much better than she

3:14

got. She like wants that franchise.

3:17

I remember Catherine Hardwick from her

3:19

film 13, which she made in

3:21

the early 2000s. That was her

3:23

big debut. Yeah, which is a

3:25

big fucking deal when it came

3:27

out. Oh, and she was production

3:29

designer. Yeah. I think she worked

3:31

on like... The Terminator or something

3:33

like she's worked on some like

3:36

notable films. These are these are

3:38

the questions. Yeah, Catherine Hardwick. Well,

3:40

we're not reviewing any Catherine Hardwick

3:42

films. We're just going to back

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for her right now. Yeah, no,

3:46

she deserves she deserves a bigger

3:48

career. Like any male filmmaker who

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launched a billion dollar franchise would

3:53

be swimming in offers to this

3:55

day. Although, that certainly should be

3:57

true of Twilight and Twilight. I

3:59

gave the films a bad review,

4:01

actually, I don't think... they're very

4:03

good. I think the the scripts

4:05

are really kind of insipid, but

4:07

I don't know. Right. I don't

4:09

I don't blame Catherine Hardwick at

4:12

all. She actually brought a lot

4:14

of mood to that. And I

4:16

think the two lead actors, you

4:18

know, both Robert Patinson and Oh,

4:20

oh gosh. Kristen Stewart. You got

4:22

it. Are both incredible. They're like

4:24

the more most interesting actors of

4:26

their generation. And I

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feel like they were directed to represent

4:31

the characters from the books and from

4:33

what I understand the characters from the

4:35

books are very rich or interesting. Catherine

4:37

Hardwick was a production designer on tape

4:39

heads with Tim Robbins. I'm gonna get

4:42

you sucka. All right. Brain dead the

4:44

horror movie from 1990 not the Peter

4:46

Jackson one. Okay, the one with Bill

4:48

Paxton freaked. Oh, there you go. Yeah.

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Tombstone. Stop hitting things. In fact, Catherine

4:53

Hardwick is in Freight. Actually, really? There's

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a scene where a clown says, oh,

4:57

fart your weight. And he looks at

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a woman and says, I think you

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look, you look like you weigh about

5:04

1.07, he holds a megaphone up to

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his button, starts farting 1.7, the woman

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he's talking to is Catherine Hardwick. She

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did a great. production is accurate. Yeah

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before she was even directing. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Sadly, we're not talking about Catherine

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Hurt. We did. Oh, yeah. Good for

5:19

good. We're going to be talking about

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Minecraft. We are. And we're in a

5:23

weird position this week because usually we

5:26

try to see at least a couple

5:28

of films together. Yeah. If not necessarily

5:30

in the same space, and we at

5:32

least both saw the same film. This

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week, no one saw the same movies.

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No, I saw Minecraft and I was

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just behind this week. So yeah, I'll

5:41

be talking about Minecraft and I didn't

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see Minecraft. I'll be listening to William

5:45

review three other films. Uh, but the

5:48

thing with Minecraft. I try. to see

5:50

at least a couple on this was

5:52

just a light week. We had this

5:54

we had this little internal debate about

5:56

like do we like save it and

5:58

then like review like 20 movies next

6:01

week or do we just keep this

6:03

show going out consistently if you have

6:05

strong opinions either way would you rather

6:07

us like wait and have to do

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this bi-weekly if we've only got a

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couple and we haven't all seen them

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let us know or if you'd rather

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Anyway, let's get started because a Minecraft

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movie was a monster. It did really

7:02

well at box office. And there was

7:04

a little bit of doubt just because

7:07

a lot of people found that to

7:09

be such a trade idea making a

7:11

movie about Minecraft. Video game movies kind

7:13

of have an uphill swim at the

7:15

box office. A lot of the time

7:18

unless it's doing like Super Mario Brothers.

7:20

I mean we're getting to a point

7:22

where video game movies are more consistently

7:24

doing better and at least in the

7:26

case of Super Mario. I think it

7:29

was... I think it was the YouTube

7:31

series pitch meeting Described it as we're

7:33

gonna play it safer than any movie

7:35

has ever played it safe before Because

7:37

that's just Not doing anything interesting with

7:39

the material. We're just doing Mario It's

7:42

gonna look like Mario as possible in

7:44

most insipid plot we can think of

7:46

with a Mario skin and honestly aside

7:48

from the fact that it's very pretty

7:50

to look at I found it to

7:53

be incredibly boring, but I get why

7:55

people liked it, because if you paid

7:57

to see a Mario movie, that's what

7:59

you fucking got. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh,

8:01

we can't throw stones. I'm of a

8:04

generation that grew up with toy commercial

8:06

cartoon shows that were owned by Hasbro

8:08

and put out by Hasbro. G.I. Joe,

8:10

GoBots, Transformers, Dem and The Hologram. My

8:12

little pony Rainbow Bride. All of those

8:15

were based... They weren't based on toys,

8:17

they were toys. And then they decided

8:19

to make these cartoon shows as a

8:21

means to sell the toys. Almost exclusively,

8:23

yes. It was, and it's like the

8:26

stories weren't after a thought. The makers

8:28

of these shows, they were trying to

8:30

get them out as skillfully and as

8:32

quickly as possible, but these weren't based

8:34

on like rich mythologies or rich complex

8:37

characters or even interesting premises. Well, they

8:39

knew the importance of getting. kids invested

8:41

in them not just thinking this looks

8:43

cool but saying no here's this guy's

8:45

name here's his backstory here's you know

8:48

so like there's something to wrap your

8:50

head around so that you want it

8:52

instead of just thinking it looks cool

8:54

I feel like a lot of the

8:56

characters that my generation grew up you

8:59

know loving were based on yeah their

9:01

color their abilities the weapons they held

9:03

only people of a certain age could

9:05

tell you sort of the subtle character

9:07

distinctions between the Ninja Turtles. You know,

9:10

most... they got richer over time just

9:12

because it stuck around for so long.

9:14

And I think you got more ubiquitous

9:16

over time. I think most people could

9:18

tell you like, which Ninja Turtle is

9:21

the one with the orange mask? I

9:23

think a lot of people can at

9:25

least say that's my question. But I

9:27

think a lot of little kids liked,

9:29

you know, the Ninja Turtles or the

9:31

Power Rangers because of the color or

9:34

the weapon they used. It wasn't a

9:36

lot to do with their... Suttly individual

9:38

personality. I didn't say subtly individual. I

9:40

just said they have a character even

9:42

if it's a broad character And it's

9:45

like I know that guy. That's the

9:47

tough guy. That's the cowardly guy. That's

9:49

the cool lady You know I I

9:51

feel like our generation lost out on

9:53

a lot just because we weren't getting

9:56

a lot of interesting art, but at

9:58

the same time We also grew up

10:00

at a time of Schedule's television, so

10:02

a lot of older shows and classic

10:04

cartoons were mixed in with some of

10:07

that garbage, so we got classic loony

10:09

tunes in between, you know, you're Power

10:11

Rangers. And also, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

10:13

I'm gonna go to bat for the

10:15

80s and 90s a little, because although

10:17

a lot of these were basically just

10:20

toy commercials. No argument. They did. I

10:22

am painting with a broad book. Some

10:24

of them were better than others. And

10:26

I think there were a lot of

10:28

writers and showrunners and actors who were

10:30

hired to do these things who put

10:32

in more effort than perhaps they really

10:34

needed to and did at least sometimes

10:37

do something interesting. Whereas, and we've talked

10:39

about this a lot of when we

10:41

do like 70s cartoons on cancel too

10:43

soon, 70s kids. Had it rough. This

10:45

is what you had to watch. Some

10:48

of those head barbaric cartoon shows are

10:50

so bad. Like no wonder y'all turned

10:52

out so pissed off and are trying

10:54

to like wreck the country. Like oh

10:57

my god. Have you ever seen Butch

10:59

Cassidy and the Sundance kids? Like yeah,

11:01

dude, that's that was... Transformers

11:04

is better. I'm not going to say

11:06

it's great. It's better than that. It

11:08

got steadily, and then the 90s cartoons

11:11

actually got pretty good for a while.

11:13

Well, animators in the 90s, like at

11:15

the end of the 80s, animators got

11:18

so sick of what, of those toy

11:20

commercials, at the time they called it

11:22

Marquis value, we just call it IP

11:24

these days, that they couldn't sell a

11:27

cartoon unless it had a recognizable element

11:29

to it. Sure. And it wasn't... Until

11:31

the 90s that creator driven animated

11:34

shows really started to take off

11:36

and like really healthy animated underground

11:38

started to sort of emerge. Yeah.

11:40

You got your your mic judge

11:42

or John Kay's the South Park

11:44

guys. Not going to use the

11:46

word healthy to describe John Kay.

11:48

John Kay is an outer creep.

11:50

You can look up the things

11:52

he did. Just for clarity. But

11:54

he was a significant person in

11:56

that. Rather unfortunately he also revolutionized

11:58

animation in the 1990s. So MTV

12:00

started to have these showcases like

12:02

with television, Spike and Mike started to

12:04

have the sick and twisted stuff coming

12:07

up. And even on kids' television,

12:09

we started having classier material like a

12:11

lot of the Disney afternoon shows

12:13

were very well produced, Batman the animated

12:15

series, gargoyles, parts of dark water. We

12:18

started getting good stuff. Even in

12:20

the mainstream, I feel like for. 1990

12:22

Tiny-tuned adventures came out. Right. There

12:24

was like a redux of the loony

12:26

tunes, but I felt like it was

12:29

so forth wall-breaking. It had some

12:31

vibe. It was, yeah, it was like...

12:33

Really self-aware of like where it

12:35

stood in the pop firmament and that

12:37

paved the way for Animaniacs and pinky

12:40

in the brain so that the

12:42

90s There's a lot more creativity going

12:44

on then the cartoon network shows

12:46

a little later Space Coast to coast

12:48

is nestled right in the middle there

12:51

Let's let's bring it back to

12:53

focus. So the Minecraft movie on Minecraft

12:55

movie. So a Minecraft movie I can't

12:57

Fault any kids for wanting to

12:59

come see a Minecraft movie in drives

13:02

if we'd be hypocritical so I'm

13:04

not gonna say I think kids do

13:06

deserve better entertainment. Just in general. But

13:08

you know, I understand Hollywood is

13:10

going to Hollywood and that these kind

13:13

of cynical enterprises come along every

13:15

once in a while. I'm not going

13:17

to, I'm not going to, listen, as

13:19

much as I can roll my

13:21

eyes at this corporate driven culture in

13:24

which we live and how much

13:26

these types of, uh, exploitable intellectual property

13:28

tends to drive the Hollywood economy. Again,

13:31

it would be hypocritical of me

13:33

to complain too much and also I'm

13:35

okay with kids having their own

13:37

thing. Like I don't have to fully

13:39

appreciate it the way they do. It'd

13:42

be nice if I could. I

13:44

certainly try. Like I get the appeal

13:46

of Five Nights at Freddie, I

13:48

don't know the lore. I'm not going

13:50

to get as invested in it by

13:53

nature and that's okay. I'm in

13:55

my 40s. And I'm actually kind of

13:57

happy in a weird way that Minecraft

13:59

is doing so well because nostalgia

14:01

has been monetized and weaponized to the

14:04

exclusion of so much else for

14:06

so long that in a weird almost

14:08

perverse way that that Minecraft in Five

14:10

Nights at Freddy's movies are like

14:12

doing so well and these are like

14:15

very contemporary of these relatively contemporary

14:17

intellectual IP these are not stuff we've

14:19

had since the 80s. Um, it's, that

14:21

at least feels like we're moving

14:23

forward a little bit, at least we're

14:26

giving the new kids what they

14:28

want, you know? It's a new, yeah,

14:30

it's a new generation that is being

14:32

exploited, but yeah, at the very

14:34

least, it's not my generation trying to

14:37

rehash our shit for them. Yeah,

14:39

like, you're ghostbusters after life nonsense, that

14:41

kind of stuff. Which, and again, I

14:43

love ghostbusters. Apparently, people aren't that

14:45

into it. I'm okay with putting it

14:48

to bed or maybe just doing

14:50

a TV. or something new. Like I'm

14:52

okay with it. Like I'm okay with

14:54

it. Like we had a run,

14:56

not everything has to last forever. We

14:59

will introduce it to future generations.

15:01

It's part of the canon or at

15:03

the very least something we can have

15:05

access to and that's good, but

15:07

yeah, let the kids have their new

15:10

shit. Is... Actually, let me start here.

15:12

What the fuck is Minecraft? Okay.

15:14

Because I've never played... I've seen Minecraft.

15:16

Okay. And I get the gist,

15:18

but what is... Because you have a

15:21

son who really likes Minecraft. I have

15:23

a son, he's about to turn

15:25

10, so I'm right in the thick

15:27

of it right now. He really

15:29

loves mine. Minecraft is... I think it

15:32

came out in 2011. It's a pretty...

15:34

I'll double check that... As far

15:36

as I'm concerned, that's relatively new as

15:38

video games go. It was put

15:40

out by a Swedish company called Mo

15:43

Yang Studios and 2011. And if you're

15:45

not, you're probably familiar with it

15:47

just because the iconography is bled into

15:49

the popular culture. You're seeing the

15:51

merge around. Lots of blocks, kind of

15:54

low-res. It's meant to look a little

15:56

low-res, but it is a 3D

15:58

environment and there's no levels. There's no

16:00

quest. like a sandbox you plan

16:02

and the rules are you can sort

16:05

of dig through the ground find thing

16:07

your mine find elements to mine

16:09

and then you have magical crafting tables

16:11

where you can put together the many

16:14

many elements in the game in

16:16

certain configurations and craft things like swords

16:18

or weapons houses yeah you can

16:20

build mountains tunnels whatever you want you

16:22

just build and build and build and

16:25

do and there's no goal other

16:27

than the one you set for yourself.

16:29

There is because there Days and

16:31

nights move in 20 minute cycles within

16:34

Minecraft and at night there are monsters.

16:36

So you have to build a

16:38

shelter for at least long enough to

16:40

keep like skeletons and zombies away.

16:42

Okay. That's cool. And this is why

16:45

you can find mind and craft things

16:47

like armor and swords. And as

16:49

the game has continued on, there have

16:51

been like bigger stranger things. Some

16:53

monsters call them. Stranger things again. Endermen

16:56

and Ender dragons and there's other like

16:58

dimensions you can travel into, which

17:00

more or less just open up the

17:02

elements that you can mine and

17:04

craft out of. The same basic premises

17:07

remain the same. Yeah. All right. It

17:09

is the single best selling game

17:11

of all time. Is it really now?

17:13

If you wanted to combine every different

17:16

release of Tetris as one, then

17:18

Tetris has it beat. Right, but this

17:20

is the individual, like your first

17:22

Minecraft game. Yeah. Is the best selling

17:24

video game of all time. All right.

17:27

I'm curious what else is up

17:29

there. Some of the some other newer

17:31

games are also up there games

17:33

that I haven't played Best-selling video games.

17:35

Yeah, so yeah Minecraft 350 million units

17:38

Yeah, the next closest one is

17:40

Grand Theft Auto 5 and that's only

17:42

a 210. Yeah, oh my god,

17:44

and then you go weigh the fuck

17:46

down and the third one is 82

17:49

million with Wii sports. That's only

17:51

because it came with the Wii Yeah,

17:53

and the Wii was a pretty

17:55

big deal Arc survival evolved. Yeah, see,

17:57

nobody tells me nothing. Well, we're in

18:00

our fourth highest-grossing game ever. What

18:02

the... I was obsessed with video games

18:04

from around age 7 to 2017,

18:06

and then when I went away to

18:08

college, I kind of fell out, just

18:11

because I was too busy doing

18:13

college stuff. And then I didn't have

18:15

the money or the wherewithal to keep

18:17

up with newer video games. So

18:19

I kind of... I went back in

18:22

with the Wii because that was

18:24

really popular and now we have a

18:26

Nintendo switch. But yeah, I was never

18:28

like obsessed with video games beyond

18:30

my youth. In my youth I was

18:33

obsessed with nothing but video games.

18:35

So you asked me about anything that

18:37

came out from like 85 to 96.

18:39

I got you covered. Tell me

18:41

about Mega Man 3. Tell me about

18:44

the power glove. Was it so

18:46

bad? I only got to use a

18:48

power glove once. The power glove was

18:50

a controller you wore like a

18:52

glove. It was shaped like a glove

18:55

and you bent your fingers to,

18:57

like there's no buttons, you just bend

18:59

your fingers. There were buttons, but there

19:01

were like all the wrists, and

19:03

it was, and there was, and it

19:06

was motion controlled. You put, set

19:08

up these sensors on your TV screen

19:10

so you can move your hand around

19:12

and control. And this was like

19:14

back in the late 80s, so it

19:17

was revolutionary at the time. My son

19:19

is obsessed with Minecraft. Every kid

19:21

his age is obsessed with Minecraft. I

19:23

think it's that open-ended thing that

19:25

a lot of people like. A big

19:28

reason why Minecraft took off in popularity

19:30

though was because of YouTube. Video

19:32

game play videos are a gigantic percentage

19:35

of what's on YouTube. Yeah. And

19:37

people could play Minecraft and just sort

19:39

of talk about it. Like, ooh, that's

19:41

interesting. Oh, I can cut down

19:43

this. Oh, look, what I'm building. They

19:46

could play that for like three

19:48

hours, cut it into 10 minute chunks,

19:50

put those 10 minute chunks, and make

19:52

those 10 minute chunks, and make

19:54

those 10 minute chunks on YouTube, and

19:57

make a living, I know. It's

19:59

really interesting to me, I think, because,

20:01

you know, we think of video games

20:03

often, it's kind of, have made

20:05

video game consumption a little bit more

20:08

like movies like we're all watching

20:10

this together it's a shared experience yeah

20:12

in a lot of ways like it's

20:14

more of a community because of

20:16

that my my son would prefer to

20:19

watch hours and hours of video game

20:21

videos with youtubers who just sort

20:23

of described their experiences as they're playing

20:25

than a feature film he doesn't

20:27

like scripts or or TV shows that

20:30

have stories and characters he likes Like

20:32

hearing just people sort of yammer

20:34

about the games they're playing. And he

20:36

likes Minecraft, he likes Among Us

20:38

is another big one for him. Sure,

20:41

sure. That's a big hit. He's very

20:43

fond of roadblocks. That's another big

20:45

one for this generation. A lot of

20:47

block-handed games. Well, like the free

20:49

open-end thing. The idea of like starting

20:52

at a low-level and working your way

20:54

through a game, getting more powerful

20:56

and fighting an end boss. He doesn't

20:58

even like those types of games.

21:00

Sure. So because Minecraft is really open-ended

21:03

and because it's got its popularity through

21:05

people just sort of talking about

21:07

it, how the hell do you make

21:09

a movie out of that? Because

21:11

movies, fictional movies, tend to follow 10

21:14

typical kind of Hollywood melodromatic beats. Yeah,

21:16

narrative structure, forward momentum. I would

21:18

like you to tell me what the

21:20

story of a Minecraft movie is and

21:23

I'll tell you how right you

21:25

are. Okay, so here's all I know

21:27

from seeing like a trailer. Okay.

21:29

Okay. One or more kids and, I

21:31

don't know, their uncle babysitter dad, Guardian,

21:34

Jason Moa, right? Okay. Get sucked

21:36

into Minecraft, right? Like the video game,

21:38

like Jumanji style. Yeah, they're inside

21:40

the video game. Okay, well not exactly

21:42

Jumanji stuff, because they're not like inhabiting

21:45

the rock, but they just get

21:47

pulled into the game like the old

21:49

Dungeons and Dragons of Dragons cartoon

21:51

cartoon. That's right. They

21:54

do Minecraft stuff okay and

21:56

then leave what well, but

21:58

tell me once they're You got

22:00

that part right. They got sucked into

22:02

the Minecraft world. Okay. What's the story

22:04

once they get there? What do they have to

22:06

do? Well I assume the monsters play into it

22:09

in some way? There's a monster. There's a

22:11

monster. Yes. So like they got to like

22:13

prevent the monster from doing bad things. Like

22:15

pitch it to me, like you don't know

22:17

what this is, but you've got to pitch

22:19

me a story. Okay, so a couple of

22:21

kids and their drunk uncle get pulled into

22:23

a video game. And the kids know

22:26

the video game, the Drunk

22:28

Uncle doesn't, the Drunkle. And

22:31

they have to learn how

22:33

to do these skills for

22:35

real, in a very last

22:37

starfightery kind of way, in

22:40

order to stop monsters

22:42

from building a thing

22:44

within Minecraft that could

22:46

lead them to the real

22:48

world. Not quite. And

22:50

granted that's right. That's right.

22:52

I was just pulling, I'm

22:55

just, I'm just remembering other

22:57

similar films. So, um, the

22:59

Jason Momo character is not their

23:01

drunk uncle. He's just, uh, he

23:04

owns a, uh, used video game

23:06

shop. Okay. In a small town

23:08

in Idaho. Is he drunk? No,

23:10

he's not stoned either. This is

23:13

a PG-rated film. You can't have...

23:15

Well, they give you a stone

23:17

off, can't... Hey, no, hang on!

23:19

Running details, quite like that. Hang

23:22

on, the, uh, the, uh, the,

23:24

uh, the, uh, the Feral, uh,

23:26

Feral, uh, Lego movie, uh, had

23:29

a scene in Snoop Dog's office,

23:31

where it was like a bunch

23:33

of haze, where it was like

23:36

an aerosol can that was like,

23:38

like, There are two kids who

23:40

are, through movie contrivance, have lost

23:43

their parents. Okay. Their father is

23:45

not a terrorist. To lose one

23:47

parent is a tragedy. To lose

23:50

two is careless. Thank you for

23:52

a while. The, the father has never

23:55

mentioned, their mother has passed away

23:57

recently and they have to move to

23:59

a. That will come back in the

24:01

sequel. They have to move, uh, and

24:03

the older sister is still pretty young.

24:05

She's like maybe 19 or 20. Okay.

24:08

They have been forced to take a

24:10

job in a little small town in

24:12

Idaho that is obsessed with potato chips.

24:14

This is done by, um, Jared Hess,

24:16

who also did Napoleon dynamite. Right. And

24:18

it also takes place in this quirky

24:20

small town in Idaho. He did not

24:22

show Libray as well. Yeah, that explains.

24:24

Well, it's another, it's, it's, it's, it's,

24:27

Jack Black Black Black Black Black. Jack

24:29

Black. They want Jack Black. To play,

24:31

to play, to play, to play, to

24:33

play, to play, to play, to play,

24:35

to play, to play, to play, to

24:37

play, to play, to play, to play,

24:39

to play, a Mexican. Good Edward, right?

24:41

Yeah, thank you. No, there's a young

24:43

boy's, and all the like Napoleon dynamite

24:46

like details are in this small town,

24:48

like someone of them makes a tater-tot

24:50

pizza. There's a llama in the background.

24:52

These are details from, and it has

24:54

the same kind of weird early 2000s,

24:56

quirky indie comedy vibe before we even

24:58

get to anything Minecrafty. Got it. The

25:00

Jason Momoa character, he owns this used

25:02

video game shop in 1989. He was

25:05

a big video game championship and I

25:07

was champion, but I was falling on

25:09

hard times. Did the Wizard come out

25:11

in 1989? I did. Sadly, they don't

25:13

make quite a strong connection. That would

25:15

be fun though. Yeah, he was the

25:17

bad kid from the Wizard. He's the

25:19

bad kid with the power glove. Oh,

25:21

that'd be great. Lucas. I used to

25:23

love the power glove. It was so

25:26

bad. He's fallen on hard times, he

25:28

purchases a warehouse at an auction, thinking

25:30

that there's going to be something like

25:32

a valuable video game he can sell

25:34

in there, but it's faked out, but

25:36

he does, and he does find a

25:38

glowing widget, like a magical box at

25:40

a little box that goes in. Takes

25:42

him back to his shop. He befriends

25:45

Henry the young boy who comes through

25:47

he gets in trouble at school because

25:49

he builds a rocket that blows up

25:51

Okay, Jennifer Coolidge wait builds a rocket

25:53

that blows up. Yeah, he builds a

25:55

rocket at school Okay, like not like

25:57

a rocket launcher like a like a

25:59

like a astronomy tool It's actually a

26:01

jet pack and he starts it onto

26:04

his class skeleton blows up. He gets

26:06

in all trouble, he's outcast, he can

26:08

relate to Jason Mamo now. If we

26:10

had never gotten to the Minecraft stuff,

26:12

the video game world, this would have

26:14

been a fine quirky indie comedy. Okay.

26:16

Which I think speaks to... the unexpected

26:18

amount of personality that this movie has

26:20

it's not a lot but it has

26:23

some yeah which is shocking for a

26:25

project cynical you know I got these

26:27

weird we got Jennifer Coolidge and Jason

26:29

Momo is really over acting a lot

26:31

and it takes place in this weird

26:33

quirky little town I mean it's strange

26:35

enough that we could have lived here

26:37

it's not so cliched that it just

26:39

feels like a boring set up for

26:42

stuff that intriguing because if you think

26:44

about a lot of the other video

26:46

game adaptations a lot of them that

26:48

has have specific characters and storylines. Like

26:50

look at the uncharted movie. I didn't

26:52

see that one. But like just as

26:54

an example, that's based on like a

26:56

very Indiana Jones knockoff, he kind of

26:58

vibe, and the games are fun, they

27:01

can be wrong. But to produce them

27:03

as a movie, you end up feeling

27:05

like a knockoff of a knockoff because

27:07

it just feels like we're doing Indiana

27:09

Jones, but not the good knockoff and

27:11

like we're doing the cheaper like not

27:13

as good version. a sandbox you could

27:15

get a director to give it some

27:17

distinct personality. So that's potentially exciting. So

27:20

that's that works out well sometimes? It

27:22

works out well. The young boy puts

27:24

those two crystals in Jason Malone shop

27:26

together that opens up a portal in

27:28

a mine across town. Okay. Crafty. As

27:30

it turns out there was a very

27:32

long introduction before all of this where

27:34

we got to meet the Jack Black

27:36

character Steve. Okay. Steve is one of

27:39

the only known quantities from Minecraft. One

27:41

of the only characters that has any

27:43

names. And he doesn't have like an

27:45

adventure or anything, but he is a

27:47

recognizable figure that the characters can play

27:49

as. Okay. There's Steve and there's Alex.

27:51

Those are the two characters. Okay. Jack

27:53

Black is Steve, you see. Okay. He

27:55

found his way into the Minecraft world

27:58

many years before and... moved in there

28:00

he found us and everything in the

28:02

Minecraft are the kids aware that Minecraft

28:04

is a video game no it's not

28:06

a video game in this unit okay

28:08

just so we're not going into the

28:10

video game they're going into a realm

28:12

that looks like Minecraft which is the

28:14

plot super Mario it is that is

28:17

true yeah In the Minecraft world, like

28:19

in the game, everything is like square

28:21

and blocky, the sun is square in

28:23

the sky, the days and nights only

28:25

last 20 minutes. Suddenly they never address

28:27

what that does for like cultivating crops

28:29

or sleep cycles. Yeah, you're in trouble.

28:31

I was going to get fucked. He's

28:33

the only human being. I like that

28:36

they cast someone like Jack Black, who's

28:38

kind of a round fellow. Yeah, it's

28:40

always nice to see him. He's the

28:42

roundest thing in a square world. And

28:44

there are people in this universe, but

28:46

they kind of like mutter and they

28:48

all have like square skulls and they

28:50

don't really communicate like people. Do they?

28:52

Do they? Did the square skulls look,

28:54

because I'm thinking like what they did

28:57

with like Modoc in Ant-Man quantumania, where

28:59

they just like stretched his head out

29:01

and I looked absolutely horrifying and cheap.

29:03

No, they look like they do in

29:05

the game, but with like realistic flesh

29:07

tones. I'm not sure that's a good

29:09

thing. They're made of realistic things, but

29:11

they just happen to be square or

29:13

cubists. I'm just saying that sounds like

29:16

a senibite. It looks a little odd.

29:18

Yeah, oh, you don't want to, oh

29:20

god, oh God, the scari, the scari,

29:22

the scari, the scari, the scari, the

29:24

scariest, the scariest, the scariest, the scariest,

29:26

the scariest, the scariest, the scariest, the

29:28

scariest, the scariest, the scariest, the scariest,

29:30

the scariest, the scariest, the scariest, the

29:32

scariest, scariest, scariest, Thanks Butterball look like

29:35

a walk in the park. I will

29:37

mine things out of your body. Yes.

29:39

And they just mutter. There's a line

29:41

and crafting invisible. There's even a subplot

29:43

where one of those things does wander

29:45

into the real world and Jennifer Coolidge

29:47

hits it with her car and then

29:49

takes it on a date. Ah! Like

29:51

tries to romance this like square-headed monstrosity.

29:54

That's kind of cute. Yeah. So yeah,

29:56

they find their way. It's the two

29:58

kids, it's Jason Momoa and it's the

30:00

realtor. character who's just sort of like

30:02

along for the ride and uh... She's

30:04

played by Daniel Brooks Academy Award nominee

30:06

Daniel Brooks for Color Purple. Yeah, she's

30:08

amazing color purple. Yeah, she has almost

30:10

nothing to do in this movie. She's

30:13

just all along. You get that paycheck.

30:15

She's like the, I want to say

30:17

she's like the normal character, but everybody's

30:19

a little off in this movie, which

30:21

I appreciate. But seriously though, like, you're

30:23

going to get paid for this. You

30:25

take that and take the cloud and

30:27

do something better later. They meet up

30:29

with Steve and Steve. takes on the

30:32

role, and I think this is the

30:34

reason why a lot of kids are

30:36

really eager to see this film, Steve

30:38

takes on the role that every kid

30:40

has had to take on with their

30:42

parents at some point, and that he

30:44

has to explain what Minecraft is to

30:46

these characters. He has to explain the

30:48

rules, but he's to explain the rules,

30:51

but he's excited about it. Yeah, you

30:53

can mine this tree, and you cut

30:55

a tree in half, but the top

30:57

half stays up in the air, and

30:59

you take a little miniature work. And

31:01

this is what an ender pearl is.

31:03

And this is how you eat chicken

31:05

in this universe. And he goes through

31:07

step by step explaining everything about how

31:10

the Minecraft universe works, and it's all

31:12

taken from the game. I just had

31:14

this huge swell of pity for my

31:16

grandfather. When I tried to explain Super

31:18

Mario World, like, no, you understand, you

31:20

get it? I jump on this dinosaur,

31:22

and the dinosaur eats things, and sometimes

31:24

poops out eggs, and it's really good.

31:26

And then I jump on this thing,

31:29

and it's a superstar. And I'm like,

31:31

he had the patience. I had no

31:33

idea what was talking about. He had

31:35

the patience of a saint. He was

31:37

a sweet man. Okay. She knew Dave

31:39

Brubeck. She was one of his classmates.

31:41

Wow. So I'm gonna end up, but

31:43

I was like maybe 10 or 11

31:45

years old. Okay. So I don't know

31:48

about Dave Brubeck. I don't really care

31:50

about Jazz, but I do care about

31:52

the Nintendo Power magazine. They let me

31:54

take into the concert. And I'm, I

31:56

was so excited about the, at the

31:58

time it was about to come out

32:00

Super Mario Brothers Three. Oh. I remember

32:02

that. Which was revealed for the first

32:04

time. the movie The Wizard it's like

32:06

so it's like 89 or 90s like

32:09

grandma grandma look at look at this

32:11

magazine look at and she's like looking

32:13

at it's super Marlowe bros super Marry

32:15

Brothers three that's really great I'm trying

32:17

to explain it to her she's there

32:19

to see Dave Brubeck is here it's

32:21

like okay Dave Brubeck is here Did

32:23

Dave Brubeck find Supermire Brothers interesting? Was

32:25

Dave Brubeck really into it? I think

32:28

if I had talked to Dave Brubeck

32:30

that night, I probably would have shown

32:32

him. I guarantee you, whatever, but here's

32:34

the thing. I'm not entirely sure. Dave

32:36

Brubeck wouldn't have been fascinated. Like they

32:38

play video games. Musicians play video games.

32:40

I played, uh... I played Saker Saturn

32:42

with some double pilots once in a

32:44

good guy store. I can assure you

32:47

100%! I don't

32:49

know. So the story from

32:51

there on is complete hokum.

32:53

There is an... Jack Black

32:55

lives in what he calls

32:57

the overworld, but there is

32:59

also another world, which is...

33:01

You have to go through

33:03

a portal to get there.

33:05

Is Alex like leading all

33:07

the monsters? Alex is not

33:09

part of the movie. sequel.

33:11

Yeah. But there are an

33:13

army of piglins, these square

33:15

pig monsters, that live in

33:17

the Nether world and they're

33:19

ruled by a more, more

33:21

Gotha, Golgotha, just sort of

33:23

like very biblical sound villain

33:25

name. Let me look at

33:27

the character's name. She's played

33:29

by Lucifer. She's played by

33:31

Rachel Hand as a Kiwi

33:33

actress. Let's

33:36

see, Jason Momoa. Rachel, excuse me, Rachel

33:38

Howis is her name, Malgosha, is the

33:40

name of the, the pig over, the,

33:43

overmistress. And she wants, I love that

33:45

Rachel House is a good career. She

33:47

came from out of nowhere and everyone's

33:49

like, no, she should be in everything.

33:51

She's, she should be in everything. And,

33:54

uh, Jared Hass also did that film

33:56

gentleman Broncos with, uh, uh, gentlemen Broncos.

33:58

Yeah. Another Kiwi comedian. And he's also

34:00

in this. He plays, he has a

34:03

bit roll. She was great in Hunt

34:05

for the Wilder People, which nobody talks

34:07

about enough by the way. That movie

34:09

is wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. But the Piglands,

34:11

they have, they're not creative, you see.

34:14

They've only mined their worlds looking for

34:16

gold. And they've minded banks. Now they

34:18

want to invade the overworld and steal

34:20

its resources and look for more gold.

34:23

So they're Americans. Yeah, they're greedy. They're

34:25

greedy. So they're they're just they're bad

34:27

because they're greedy So they're American. Yeah,

34:29

you can read that into it if

34:31

you and I just did Even though

34:34

they're led by a keyweave at all

34:36

right. I mean and she wants a

34:38

magical widget that you can plug into

34:40

her staff and shoot a beam into

34:42

the sky. Oh, sky beam. Now I'm

34:45

grounded. You got the sky beam. Now

34:47

I know I know where I'm putting

34:49

it. Yes. What color is the sky?

34:51

There. It's purple this time. It's not

34:54

blue. Surprisingly. How great for a sexual

34:56

appreciation day. The day that we're recording

34:58

this. This is great. And yeah, the

35:00

kids learn how to how to mine

35:02

and there's a subplot with Jason Momoa

35:05

who wants diamonds because this is a

35:07

mine world and he's broke The story

35:09

is just functional this is written by

35:11

there's five credited screenwriters I'm sure there's

35:14

at least 20 others when they're like

35:16

five credited screenwriters for something that's merely

35:18

functional You'd think that would mean they're

35:20

trying to make it interesting because anyone

35:22

can just do an outline Yeah, I

35:25

don't know why they don't they feel

35:27

like they need these entire teams of

35:29

screenwriters to like pair it down to

35:31

something as cliched as possible. Back when

35:34

he was just getting started I interviewed

35:36

James Gunn like around the time he

35:38

was writing the first Scooby-Doo and he

35:40

had also kind of it was well

35:42

known that he I don't think he

35:45

was credited but he did a polish

35:47

on the 13 ghosts remake. Okay. And

35:49

I asked him about like what did

35:51

you do on 13 ghosts? They only

35:54

paid me to beef up Matthew Lillardards

35:56

dialogue. Okay, that's it. I just I

35:58

just made his dialogue more interesting. That

36:00

was the whole gig so Sometimes that's

36:02

all there is to it. Patnoswold had

36:05

a whole bit about how sometimes you're

36:07

just writing 80-yard, like... Like jokes, the

36:09

characters on screen. Yeah. Just shout jokes

36:11

from off the... Oh no, I fell

36:13

on some Butter Scotch. Yeah, that was

36:16

Patnoswold's book. Sometimes you can tell when

36:18

it happens and it works anyway. I

36:20

remember watching, of all things, the Goosebumps

36:22

movie. Good movie. Also check by. There

36:25

was a scene where a mummy wandered

36:27

up to something that exploded. It exploded.

36:29

and the mummy was propelled like miles

36:31

across town and we got to see

36:33

it land in a field. Yeah. When

36:36

something like that happens for especially in

36:38

a kids movie, you have to add

36:40

dialogue after it happens to establish that

36:42

they haven't died. Yeah, everything's fine. So

36:45

sometimes they'll even say like, I'm okay.

36:47

I'm okay. I'm all right. If you

36:49

like at Anglie's Hulk, there's a scene

36:51

where he like throws a tank a

36:53

mile and then you can hear the

36:56

idea we're like arc across town. like

36:58

flaming through the sky. Yeah, lands miles

37:00

away in a field and goes, oh,

37:02

and they just yells, I'm not okay.

37:05

That's almost a meta joke. Yeah, a

37:07

little bit of a meta joke for

37:09

that one. So, so many screenwriters are

37:11

required, I think, to kind of pull

37:13

personality out of it. Oh. Try to

37:16

make trying to make it as functional

37:18

as possible It's like okay. Somebody made

37:20

it a little too quirkier a little

37:22

too strange or somebody added this plot

37:25

element We want to keep but now

37:27

it doesn't work with this way it's

37:29

safer Play it back pull it back

37:31

make it work make it work. It's

37:33

like one screenwriter can do that, but

37:36

anyway So all of the the adventure

37:38

stuff Who cares? The story is irrelevant

37:40

what the film has that kind of

37:42

makes it okay, a movie is... I

37:44

wonder how you sound vaguely ashamed of

37:47

that. Because it actually is okay. I'm

37:49

just startled to say that the Minecraft

37:51

movie, A Minecraft movie, is kind of

37:53

okay. I like the

37:56

personality of these

37:58

people. I like how

38:00

weird it got

38:02

in certain portions. Not

38:04

super unusual, you know what

38:07

I'm dealing with, like somebody who's

38:09

so strange that it's going to off

38:11

put a mass audience. Right, it's

38:13

not Tetsuo, the Minecraft man. I would

38:15

love to see Shinya Tsukamoto do

38:17

a Minecraft movie. Right? Now you're into

38:19

it. Now

38:21

you're thinking. But

38:24

no, here's like, just because it's like, corporate

38:26

art is still made by artists and sometimes

38:28

it turns out okay. There's this great story

38:30

between the Jason Momoa character and the Jack

38:32

Black character. Like they're at first trying to

38:34

sort of show each other up and you

38:36

know, get into a dick measuring contest but

38:39

they end up being like kind of friends

38:41

by the end. There's even three amigos

38:43

and then you're friends. Well it's like, and

38:45

there is that moment. Like, did we just

38:47

become friends? Yeah, I think we did. It's

38:49

like they're shaking hands and they end up

38:51

like singing songs together at the end. It's

38:53

like, that's kind of a good, healthy,

38:55

positive relationship between these masculine characters. Can

38:57

Jason Momoa sing? No,

39:00

but Jack Black can. No, I know Jack

39:02

Black can. That's saying. Jason Momoa just mimes

39:04

guitar, Jack Black sings. Fair

39:06

enough. They didn't push them quite so far

39:08

that they have a romance, that would have

39:10

been nice. Jack Black do any original music? He

39:13

does, he sings a song at the end.

39:15

Okay, is it good? Yeah, good. It's a

39:17

good metal song. Yeah, he was denied his

39:19

Oscar nomination for peaches. I

39:22

am frustrated that these are like

39:24

the least creative kinds of movies possible.

39:26

These like IP movies that often sell

39:28

the idea of creativity as one of

39:30

their themes. It is ironic, isn't it?

39:32

the Lego movie was the same way.

39:34

Yeah, the Lego movie was good though,

39:37

to be fair. Yeah, but. It can

39:39

be done, but there is something inherently

39:41

ironic about, here are these very specific

39:43

parameters in which you're allowed to be

39:45

creative. And we're gonna have the theme

39:47

be creativity. And being creative or expressiveness.

39:49

Your creativity makes us money is also

39:51

fundamentally part of it as well. It

39:53

was also part of the emoji movie

39:56

for God's sake. How do you express

39:58

yourself? These things are used to. express

40:00

your emotions like but this is

40:02

like the tritest shit yeah well it's

40:05

terrible again there's degrees like some of

40:07

the movies we described are very

40:09

good some of them are just

40:11

okay some of them are shit

40:13

so I feel like a micro

40:15

movie literally has a character named

40:17

poop in it I mean I'm

40:19

voiced by Patrick Stewart he got that

40:21

paycheck so yeah a Minecraft movie

40:23

is like has some personality in

40:26

spite of everything which I'm just

40:28

I was happy it didn't suck. Yeah, I

40:30

love it when things don't suck that aren't

40:32

supposed to suck. Now, I was unsure if

40:34

this was going to succeed because even

40:36

in my son's like YouTube Minecraft watching

40:39

community, like all these videos he was

40:41

watching, everyone was mocking this thing. Yeah,

40:43

the trailer came out and like, it

40:45

felt like there were a lot of

40:47

gamers who were just thought it was,

40:49

it was terrible. This is absurd, this

40:52

looks terrible. The preview was being remixed

40:54

and like video game videos in a

40:56

derisive kind of a way. and it

40:58

comes out and... Like all those

41:00

YouTubeers are going to eat their words.

41:03

I think there's two factors at play

41:05

in there and one of which is

41:07

just the kids movie factor which is

41:09

Most kids are going because their parents

41:11

are taking them So if you've settled

41:13

ticket to one kid You're probably selling

41:15

at least one ticket to a parent.

41:17

Maybe two or more so these things

41:20

tend to make kid movies make a

41:22

lot of they tend to play to

41:24

it Especially considering there's not always a

41:26

lot of competition there's not always a

41:28

lot of competition have that playing feel

41:30

pretty level to themselves. But the

41:32

other thing, and I think this

41:35

is really important to remember,

41:37

online buzz, positive or negative

41:39

about movies, is actually from

41:42

a very small percentage of the movie

41:44

going marketplace. Yeah. And you know you

41:46

can say things like oh yeah everyone

41:48

online is talking about how great this

41:50

movie is going to be everyone's super

41:52

stoked about it and we love it

41:54

too but if you're not online you

41:56

might not have even heard snakes on

41:58

a plane was coming out. just didn't

42:00

do that. Or you might say that like

42:02

we even like oh that's why like this

42:05

movie did so bad because the online

42:07

discourse. No I think I don't think anyone

42:09

at most audiences who were primed to see

42:11

Snow White probably aren't on those redid feeds.

42:14

They're probably just going about their business.

42:16

Most people who go to movies Aren't big

42:18

movie people they're very casual about it. They

42:20

see maybe 10 movies a year. I think

42:22

and and this is true of like Trying

42:25

to gauge certain Fandoms, yeah, as it so

42:27

happens Deadpool had a lot of fans Yeah,

42:29

like even before Ryan Reynolds played him in

42:32

that Wolverine movie. Yeah, oh no those the

42:34

first dead movie was a big head and

42:36

and they make a billion dollars, but it

42:38

did really well that Wolverine movie is Bad

42:41

for many many reasons the reason the reason

42:43

the fact that they changed Deadpool didn't bother

42:45

me at all Maybe because I'm not a

42:48

big dead diehard Deadpool fan But a lot

42:50

of evidently there was a big stink There

42:52

were enough Deadpool fans for them to try

42:54

again in a couple of years same

42:56

actor But now a more comics accurate version

42:59

of the yeah, and that one was a

43:01

big head At the same time, I think

43:03

there were a lot of people who really

43:06

liked the character of Harley Quinn, sort of

43:08

a female counterpart to the Joker and Batman

43:10

comics. They tried multiple times to make movies

43:12

with Harley Quinn. And none of them were

43:15

really a big hit. So we're big hits.

43:17

And something were good too. That's a thing.

43:19

So good or bad people just weren't interested

43:22

in the character. That's my point though. Quality

43:24

doesn't even enter into it. Sometimes there's just

43:26

a less interest from the and again when

43:28

you're making a movie where the standard for

43:31

a success is a billion dollars. Right. You're

43:33

not going to make that money off the

43:35

die hard fans. You're going to make that

43:38

money off of the casuals. You know there's

43:40

a reason why. Ghostbusters movies all tap out

43:42

at around 230 million no matter who makes

43:44

them and who stars in them. That's all,

43:47

that's the audience for that right now. I

43:49

know it feels like it should be bigger.

43:51

It's not. Star Trek movies don't make a

43:54

billion dollars. The audience just isn't that big.

43:56

You're not getting the casuals as much as

43:58

you would think. Minecraft, nothing but casuals. I

44:00

mean, that's a lot. But you know what

44:03

I mean? There's a ton of casual interest

44:05

in Minecraft. So it makes sense that it

44:07

would be huge. But apparently people were

44:09

excited about it. And apparently it's not a

44:12

bad movie, which is that's nice. You know,

44:14

again, I don't want to oversell it. It

44:16

is new classic. No, no, no. But you

44:18

enjoyed yourself and that's that's saying something. I

44:21

enjoyed myself and that's all I can. Yeah,

44:23

it's all I really say. All right. Well,

44:25

speaking of enjoy yourself while watching an IP

44:28

movie. We talked last week a lot about

44:30

the public domain slasher phenomenon, which if you

44:32

miss that week, the gist of it is

44:34

this, we're now at a point where every

44:37

year new material enters the public domain, books,

44:39

music, movies, cartoons, comics, etc. But we're reaching

44:41

a point where the stuff that is becoming

44:44

public domain is the stuff that is still

44:46

noteworthy and making money. Yeah. So Popeye is

44:48

a thing. We win either poo, win

44:50

in the public domain and... Because now you

44:52

get to play with these things and there

44:55

are limitations on what is available not every

44:57

aspect of the character might be public domain

44:59

all at once Some elements of it are

45:02

trademarks, and so that's a different rule But

45:04

generally speaking yeah, you can make a Winnie

45:06

the Pooh movie now and because no one

45:08

really has the Disney money to do the

45:11

hundred million dollar version of that a lot

45:13

of people were doing these like really down

45:15

and dirty almost just just dark jokes of

45:18

movies where hey, what if Winnie the Pooh

45:20

was a slasher movie villain? Yeah. Sounds like

45:22

a silly idea. Sounds like a college humor

45:24

sketch. It is, basically. But we're going to

45:27

do it full length. We have a third

45:29

of a million dollars. We can do it

45:31

for that much. And the novelty. alone, we'll

45:34

get us over the finish line of profitability.

45:36

Which turned out to be true for that

45:38

Winnie the Pooh movie. It was made for

45:40

so little money that it didn't need a

45:43

lot to become a hit. No, just, just,

45:45

you know, a couple of raised eyebrows and

45:47

idle curiosity and it did well and it's

45:50

got its own cinematic universe now. Well, that's,

45:52

I'll see how that works out. Well, the

45:54

point is they're so cheap they don't have

45:56

to make a lot of money to keep

45:59

that going, is the point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

46:01

Yeah. So the guy like Peter Pan,

46:03

like Peter Pan going like Peter Pan going

46:05

on going on going on going on going

46:08

on going on going on going on going

46:10

on going on going on now and going

46:12

on now and going on now and going

46:14

on now and going on now and so

46:17

and so and so and so and so

46:19

on now and so and so and so

46:21

and so and so and so and so

46:24

and so and so and so and so

46:26

and so and so and so and so

46:28

and so Last week you did pop by

46:30

the Slayer Man, you said it wasn't

46:32

very good. And here's the thing,

46:35

Winnie the Pooh, it wasn't very

46:37

good either. In fact, Winnie the Pooh,

46:39

at least the first one, I

46:41

didn't say the second, is

46:43

almost impressively incompetent. Like, you're

46:45

just like, you know, you

46:47

really didn't have to try,

46:49

but you could have tried

46:51

slightly better. Screamplay and

46:54

acting like what are we? It's

46:56

terrible So the bar is really

46:58

really low for these And I

47:00

haven't seen a lot. I haven't seen

47:02

all of them And I'm sure there's

47:04

gonna be more But the one time

47:06

I've seen Screamboat is the best.

47:09

Okay, Screamboat is the one where

47:11

and again. I'm not gonna say

47:13

it's a great movie. I'm not

47:15

gonna say it's a new horror classic

47:18

but There's a scene in boogie

47:20

nights where Bert Reynolds

47:22

plays the director of

47:24

70s pornographic films who

47:26

people actually become emotionally

47:28

invested in. And his

47:30

editor in the film

47:32

is played by the

47:34

late great condense slash

47:37

magician Ricky Jay. Yes.

47:39

Sometimes actor. And they're

47:41

editing this new James Bond

47:43

knockoff movie that they've done.

47:45

Yeah, and Ricky, the Johnny

47:48

Wad films. Yeah, and Ricky

47:50

Jay turns to Bert Reynolds

47:52

and he says, it's a real

47:54

film, Jack. And again, that's a low

47:56

bar to clear, but screenboat

47:59

is a real. film like it's good

48:01

characters it's got some wit to it

48:03

it's got some no great visual effects

48:06

it's filmed on a real boat that

48:08

again low bar but I didn't expect

48:10

them to clear it I was seriously

48:12

and not just any boat on dry

48:15

dock from low angles it's filled it's

48:17

filmed on a ferry in New York

48:19

okay apparently uh I think it was

48:22

Pete Davidson and one other comedian for

48:24

whatever reason bought a decommissioned ferry. And

48:26

even if he did it, it was

48:28

like that's the stupidest thing I've ever

48:31

bought. I don't know why I did

48:33

that, but they've got it, and apparently

48:35

they sometimes lease it out for filming.

48:38

So the plot of the movie is

48:40

this. So Steamboat Willie is the cartoon

48:42

that's based on, that's I think to

48:45

date, that's the only Mickey Mouse cartoon

48:47

that's public domain so far. If you've

48:49

never seen it, I made a classic,

48:51

Mickey Mouse is introduced as the captain

48:54

of a steamboat on a steamboat on

48:56

a river. His whistling is having a

48:58

good time his boss is like a

49:01

giant cat played by the character Pete

49:03

He's you know bit mean Mickey's girlfriend

49:05

mini comes along for the ride and

49:07

they sing and they warp reality around

49:10

them in a very early Disney kind

49:12

of way There's a little bit of

49:14

menace and then everything turns out fine

49:17

Not a lot to work with At

49:19

the beginning of Screamboat, a couple of

49:21

people are doing repairs on the Staten

49:24

Island Ferry, which, you know, they keep

49:26

it going for forever, it's been like

49:28

a hodgepodge of old parts, new parts,

49:30

and they open up like a hatch

49:33

that no one's opened up in like

49:35

50 years, and like a rat man.

49:37

Climbs out okay, and he's not the

49:40

size of a mouse he's like the

49:42

size of I don't know like a

49:44

five-year-old kid or something very tiny but

49:47

you know like chucky size all right

49:49

and Well he kills them because that's

49:51

what he does he's a killer rat

49:53

just a guy with like Mickey Mouse

49:56

ears the screenboat monster screenboat will is

49:58

played by You Know Him, you love

50:00

him, David Howard Thornton, from Terrifier. He's

50:03

Art the Clown. Yeah, and he's, you

50:05

know, he's a talented physical performer. Does

50:07

a lot of mine. I love those

50:09

terrifying movies. A lot of Scream Boat

50:12

is just David Howard Thornton. And again,

50:14

he's really tiny in the plot, so

50:16

a lot of times he's in front

50:19

of a green screen in order to

50:21

sell that. It looks fake. Because David

50:23

Howard Thornton is actually a tall guy.

50:26

Yeah, no. And he's like, he's tiny.

50:28

He's like, like, he's tiny. He's like

50:30

cartoon size. playing it up real real

50:32

big and he's just playing in front

50:35

of a green screen and a lot

50:37

of the movie is just him reacting

50:39

to things off camera like ooh, he

50:42

doesn't say anything. He doesn't really say

50:44

anything. But like the equivalent since I

50:46

can't show you, it's like ooh that's

50:49

got a great. Or like when he

50:51

sees like the lady protagonist like you

50:53

can like he falls in love him

50:55

like ooh. Like he wants to hear

50:58

flowers and things instead of murder of

51:00

murder or murder her. But yeah, it's

51:02

the middle of the night. It's on

51:05

the Staten Island Ferry. It is a

51:07

hodgepodge collection of weirdos There's a young

51:09

woman who is an aspiring Fashion designer

51:11

and she is being I think he

51:14

was working at a restaurant and a

51:16

bunch of drunk women Who are having

51:18

a birthday party? I just sort of

51:21

following her in a weird way Not

51:23

like stalking her. It's just like, hey,

51:25

we're all going to party with this

51:28

chick in like a socially uncomfortable way.

51:30

And all of these women are named

51:32

after or designed after Disney princesses. So

51:34

like there's one that's like, got aerials.

51:37

basic color scheme and hair going. Like

51:39

it's all parodic, it's not literal, you

51:41

know, it's just, that's their vibe. And

51:44

they will be murdered. They're going after

51:46

Disney in general. Yeah, they're just, they're

51:48

just, I guess if you're making a

51:51

horror, a slasher film of Steam of

51:53

Willie, then you ought to. I mean,

51:55

you should make the most of it,

51:57

really. So we meet them, we meet

52:00

the people who are working on the

52:02

bone, a lot of them have like

52:04

one personality trait, it's New York, so

52:07

there's a lot of like incidental people

52:09

who are very specific, like, hey, here's

52:11

a guy in a cowboy hat wearing

52:13

nothing but tidy whiteies and playing a

52:16

guitar. We will never get to know

52:18

him, but we will recognize

52:20

him throughout the film. Oh, it's that guy.

52:22

I know that guy. He was there. Boom. So

52:24

again, you can throw a personality into

52:26

a cheap movie. And that's all

52:28

you should do. And this movie

52:30

has a ton of personality. Is

52:32

it all great filmmaking? No. But it's

52:35

got a ton of personality. It was

52:37

directed by Stephen Lamorte, which is a

52:39

great name for a horror filmmaker. I

52:41

hope that's his real name, but if

52:44

not, Kudos were doing it. He recently

52:46

directed, and I heard it was pretty

52:48

good, but I never got around to

52:50

it. The mean one, which was like

52:53

the slacker version of the Grinch line.

52:55

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

52:57

So he's got a stick, I guess. But

52:59

yeah, you know, we made a cavalcade

53:01

of characters, they're all played by actors

53:03

who, if they're not great, they're trying?

53:05

Like, they're putting in some effort, they're trying

53:08

to put some energy, it's an energetic

53:10

film, which I couldn't say for that

53:12

Winnie the Pooh film. Okay, yeah. You

53:14

know, like everyone, it's got... that sort

53:16

of like low-fi early Sam Ramey

53:18

kind of g-wiz we can make

53:20

a movie kind of mentality to

53:22

it which is pretty good like

53:24

it's not nearly as crafty as

53:26

that it's not nearly as visually

53:28

ingenious as that but no one's

53:30

just sticking a camera down and

53:32

then getting two pieces of coverage

53:34

and ending the scene like we're

53:36

actually trying to entertain you here

53:38

and they do a good job

53:41

there's a lot of gore there's there's

53:43

a scene with with a severed bit of

53:45

guy business that is certainly

53:48

very memorable and then

53:50

and then leads to another

53:52

scene with the same severed

53:54

bit of guy business and

53:56

in an un in a

53:58

less predictable way and I was

54:01

like oh good callback I guess like

54:03

I'm enough of a horror fan that

54:05

I can appreciate you know good horror

54:07

quote-unquote gag but also like yeah I

54:09

also didn't need that but okay yeah

54:12

you know what you're trying to get

54:14

notice you're trying to get attention here

54:16

you're trying to make sure that we

54:18

don't nod off in the theater yeah

54:20

you succeeded well that's the older Herschel

54:23

Gore and Lewis philosophy, isn't it? Like,

54:25

you don't have a lot of money,

54:27

but you can buy blood. Blood is

54:29

cheap, just put a lot and be

54:31

creative and gross with it and you'll

54:34

get noticed. Like, they clearly spent the

54:36

money on the boat and a decently

54:38

sized cast, and not everyone gets a

54:40

lot to do or is particularly good

54:42

at it, but a lot of people

54:45

worked on it and presumably got paid,

54:47

I hope. Okay, not gonna win an

54:49

Oscar or anything like that, but you

54:51

get away with it. Like it's it's

54:53

it's pretty good monster making that pop-eye

54:56

movie You could tell it was a

54:58

mask, because especially in certain no, he's

55:00

clearly been in the makeup chair for

55:02

a while. Like he looks the part

55:04

He looks like an evil mascot, but

55:07

like he's got that like actual like

55:09

I don't know actually I would be

55:11

surprised if it was a lot, but

55:13

they clearly had some money Because with

55:15

Popeye, you know, and I'm not disparaging

55:18

it because of this, but you could

55:20

tell it was really cheap. And I,

55:22

but I don't, that doesn't factor into

55:24

a film's quality. And there, and there

55:26

really aren't, like Tyler Posey's in it,

55:29

and I know he's like been in

55:31

stuff, but, and I know David Howard

55:33

Thornton is a rising star in the

55:35

horror community, but I would also be

55:37

surprised that they're making a million dollars

55:40

a film. Yeah, you know, so I

55:42

honestly don't know what the budget was,

55:44

but it doesn't look like they were

55:46

shooting around their budget too much. I

55:48

looked up the financials just now, just

55:51

here on the online, it was made

55:53

for $15,000. It looks way better than

55:55

$15,000. Nothing. They got a suite. I

55:57

don't know who do they know Pete

55:59

Davidson like I don't know how they

56:02

got the sweetheart deal on that boat

56:04

because that is production design that is

56:06

that's production value You know, you get

56:08

one thing that looks impressive on film

56:10

and you film the shit out of

56:13

it and 99% of the movie takes

56:15

place on that boat and they're clearly

56:17

filming all over it. It looks like

56:19

a real film, like they had real

56:21

money. There's like there's like an animated

56:24

flashback sequence that's like the origin of

56:26

the evil version of Mickey, which is

56:28

pretty well animated actually. It looks pretty

56:30

good. It's very similar to the Winnie

56:32

the Pooh thing like he was an

56:35

innocent creature who got kind of betrayed

56:37

by humanity and left all alone and

56:39

I guess if you leave a cute

56:41

critter like all alone for long enough

56:43

they become serial killers like I don't

56:46

know is that a thing that like

56:48

if you just if you just anyone

56:50

no matter what if like you break

56:52

their heart and like you leave them

56:54

long enough they will just not just

56:57

like You know darken their soul or

56:59

anything like that or like make them

57:01

really bitter or angry or or even

57:03

like you're earning for revenge But become

57:05

a homicidal maniac. Okay, this can't possibly

57:08

so you're describing screenboat as having yeah

57:10

of as having some pretty good effects

57:12

and filming it really well has some

57:14

pretty slick production to a degree to

57:16

a degree Okay, let's not go nuts

57:19

as these things go I've seen a

57:21

hell of a lot more expensive than

57:23

Winnie the poo Pop by the Slayer

57:25

Man evidently was made for 20 million.

57:27

Which makes that does not track at

57:30

all. That seems very strange. I would

57:32

be very surprised that that was true,

57:34

but I didn't see it. Maybe maybe

57:36

there was some hidden production of value

57:38

there that I don't know. Maybe so.

57:41

Yeah, I couldn't tell you. But in

57:43

any case, yeah, screenboat, here's a deal.

57:45

it's a real film it's not about

57:47

much and I'm kind of waiting for

57:49

someone to do something with all these

57:52

great public domain characters that means something

57:54

like it's actually like you don't have

57:56

to you don't have to break the

57:58

mold you don't do the greatest thing

58:00

ever but like surely you have some

58:03

more to say than what if they

58:05

killed people. Well I don't think that's

58:07

that's what we're interested in here. It's

58:09

like, oh I have highfalls. Or any

58:11

of these slasher movies. I think the

58:14

whole point is these are these slasher

58:16

movies aren't being made with horror characters

58:18

is my point. You know it's not

58:20

like you know when Dracula enters the

58:22

public domain. I'm gonna do a Dracula

58:25

horror movie. Wait a minute. Right.

58:27

I think the contrast is all is

58:29

the end all be all of the

58:31

gag. No, no, no, the juxtaposition. That's

58:34

also an old gag. It can work

58:36

sometimes something innocent turns into a murder.

58:38

We do it all the time. Sure.

58:41

Filmmakers do it all the time. The The point

58:43

here is that a lot of

58:45

these public domain characters were previously

58:47

owned rather famously by a known

58:50

corporation. Right. for Popeye it was

58:52

the comics, it was the studios

58:54

that owned Popeye. Yeah, for Winnie

58:56

the Pooh and Steamboat Willie specifically,

58:58

those are owned by the Disney

59:01

Corporation. Right. And they are, so these

59:03

movies are being made not just to...

59:05

explore the character and sort of a

59:07

fun juxtaposition what if they committed violence.

59:09

These are meant to be a rebuke

59:12

to the ownership and the kid-friendly image

59:14

of the Disney company specifically. I understand

59:16

that and I agree that there is

59:18

some value in that inherently. I also

59:20

think that's the kind of thing you

59:23

can come across in like one sketch.

59:25

You can do it in one sketch,

59:27

but the fact that they've made a

59:29

whole movie of it is kind of

59:32

the point. The fact that the movie

59:34

exists is the joke unto itself. If

59:36

the movie is good on top

59:38

of that, then that's a bonus.

59:40

My point is this. I think

59:42

there is a lot of diminishing

59:44

returns on how effective that's going

59:47

to be. I think there is

59:49

a law of diminishing returns on

59:51

how effective that's going to be.

59:53

And again, ride the way, enjoy it well

59:55

at last. If you can make him

59:57

as good a screenboat, again, not amazing.

59:59

But perfectly watchable, fun, gory, horror

1:00:01

movie, if you're a horror fan, you

1:00:04

will probably enjoy this one more than

1:00:06

the others that I've seen. But if

1:00:08

this is all we've got, this is

1:00:11

gonna get tiresome. It's going to get

1:00:13

tiresome, but I appreciate the movement. I

1:00:15

appreciate the instincts that people have to

1:00:18

just grab something that was previously corporate-owned

1:00:20

and squeaky clean, snatching it away and

1:00:22

kicking it into the dust immediately, to

1:00:25

just get it a little dirty. And

1:00:27

once that's out of our system, people

1:00:29

can start doing more interesting things, maybe

1:00:32

actually bother putting some money behind it,

1:00:34

coming up with creative new ideas for

1:00:36

witty the poo. Right. But until that

1:00:39

happens. I have him to choose skulls.

1:00:41

That's fun. Yeah, yeah. Now like I

1:00:43

said, I'm fine with it in theory.

1:00:46

It's a little punk rock in theory.

1:00:48

It's a little thin and the more

1:00:50

of these I see the less the

1:00:53

less jazz I am by simply doing

1:00:55

that premise. But screenboat is the best

1:00:57

one that I've seen so far that

1:01:00

I would recommend. Maybe not a lot.

1:01:02

But there's definitely an audience for this

1:01:04

and this is certainly going to hit

1:01:07

some people hard and they're going to

1:01:09

have a good time. Next up, we

1:01:11

have a really fucking good movie. Okay.

1:01:14

I think this might be one of

1:01:16

the best movies I've seen so far

1:01:18

this year. It's only a few months

1:01:21

in, but still, I really responded very

1:01:23

well to this. It's called The Luckyest

1:01:25

Man in America. Oh, I know this

1:01:28

story. Yeah, it starts Paul Walter Hauser

1:01:30

as a man named Michael Larson. And

1:01:32

Michael Larson has an interesting little niche

1:01:35

in television history. There was a game

1:01:37

show in television history. And it was

1:01:39

a combination trivia show and also game

1:01:42

of random chance and the idea was

1:01:44

the one with the whammies You remember

1:01:46

the whammies if you ever heard this

1:01:49

phrase. No whammies. No whammies The idea

1:01:51

was this you answer trivia questions and

1:01:53

based on how many trivia questions you

1:01:56

got right You got opportunities to press

1:01:58

a button and stop like a series

1:02:00

of of squares that were being lit

1:02:03

up in kind of a random order.

1:02:05

It was like a roulette wheel. A

1:02:07

little bit like a roulette wheel, but

1:02:10

you can control when it stops. And

1:02:12

there were a few, no prizes that

1:02:14

would take away your money and those

1:02:17

were the whammy. These little red critters.

1:02:19

Yeah, it was like the mascot of

1:02:21

the show, was the whammy, and if

1:02:24

you hit the whammy, you lose all

1:02:26

the money. So you just pass. All

1:02:28

right? Michael Larson. went

1:02:30

on Press Your Luck in 1984 and

1:02:33

he won over $100,000 which is a

1:02:35

lot now in fact that was the

1:02:37

biggest that was the most money anyone

1:02:40

had ever won on a game show

1:02:42

in a single day a record he

1:02:44

held for like 30 years yeah like

1:02:47

it was at least 25 I think

1:02:49

but like yeah it's really really astounding

1:02:51

and This is the story of the

1:02:54

day he did that it takes place.

1:02:56

It starts the day before He auditions

1:02:58

to be on press your luck the

1:03:01

producers played by the great David Strathorne

1:03:03

And he finds this guy. He's like

1:03:05

an ice cream truck driver. He's kind

1:03:08

of a sad sack You know Paul

1:03:10

Walter Hauser has this kind of like

1:03:12

oddball charm to him as a performer.

1:03:15

He's really great. I think it's amazing

1:03:17

actor actually But the guys like listen

1:03:19

this is good television you know whether

1:03:22

he wins or loses this is the

1:03:24

kind of guy you want to see

1:03:26

in a game show so we're gonna

1:03:29

put him on the show even though

1:03:31

he's a little sketchy and like he

1:03:33

he actually wasn't supposed to audition today

1:03:36

he just sort of showed up and

1:03:38

when we called someone's name he just

1:03:40

raised his hand but they was with

1:03:43

her like look he's he's enthusiastic he's

1:03:45

naive we'll put him on he'll be

1:03:47

done it'll be good episode he goes

1:03:50

to the show the next day and

1:03:52

the rest of the movie takes place

1:03:54

all in one day It has this

1:03:57

incredibly dream-like stream-like stream of consciousness energy.

1:03:59

to it where everything's like really heightened

1:04:01

like the press your luckboard kind of

1:04:04

like looms over him almost like a

1:04:06

computer in a black mirror episode or

1:04:08

something like it's really weirdly intense and

1:04:11

then he goes on the show and

1:04:13

he starts presses the button wins money

1:04:15

and he said you want to if

1:04:18

you want to take that money and

1:04:20

pass or do you want to keep

1:04:22

going now I'm gonna keep going and

1:04:25

he keeps winning over and over and

1:04:27

over and over again never hitting a

1:04:29

whammy. And then the movie is all

1:04:32

about everyone in the studio trying to

1:04:34

figure out what the fuck is going

1:04:36

on. Is he cheating? How is he

1:04:39

cheating? Who is this guy? You need

1:04:41

to figure out who this guy is.

1:04:43

We can't stop recording in case it's

1:04:46

real. But like, they're freaking out. and

1:04:48

they honestly think this guy could like

1:04:50

bankrupt the studio if he keeps pressing

1:04:53

his luck if he really is this

1:04:55

lucky or if he's cheating how the

1:04:57

fuck is he doing it and I

1:05:00

won't tell you how in case you

1:05:02

don't know the story I'll leave like

1:05:04

some history okay it's not so well

1:05:07

known that everyone knows it pretty well

1:05:09

known piece of TV history suffice it

1:05:11

to say I would argue he earned

1:05:14

the money I would argue he actually

1:05:16

earned the we're just gonna leave it

1:05:18

there but the point is He essentially

1:05:21

broke the game. And this is all

1:05:23

about, I guess there's a helicopter outside.

1:05:25

Hello, goodbye. Yeah, it's all about just

1:05:28

the studio panicking. It's like, no, you

1:05:30

don't understand. We want these peons to

1:05:32

win a little money. We don't want

1:05:35

them to actually succeed in their dreams.

1:05:37

And there's something just wonderfully... almost Orwellian

1:05:39

about their betrayal of the CBS network

1:05:42

about how like you know we we

1:05:44

we we give you your fantasies within

1:05:46

our parameters you're not allowed to just

1:05:49

make as much money as you can

1:05:51

I've seen a documentary about these events

1:05:53

so I think there's just a short

1:05:56

documentary and the documentary is hilarious because

1:05:58

they're treating it like it's this really

1:06:00

like it's a hard hard copy yeah

1:06:03

current affair kind of like news program

1:06:05

and they figured out how to game

1:06:07

the system that's yeah it's really serious

1:06:10

when it's just like this guy kind

1:06:12

of game in a game show yeah

1:06:14

But it also went into detail about

1:06:17

how this was just one of many

1:06:19

of Larson's schemes. Oh yeah, he's a

1:06:21

con artist. He was involved in like

1:06:24

Ponzi schemes and real estate schemes and

1:06:26

he tried to like build investors out

1:06:28

of something and to do with Walmart.

1:06:31

It's abundantly clear even from the beginning

1:06:33

of this movie before you know all

1:06:35

the details about this guy that while

1:06:38

he may be some kind of like

1:06:40

underdog. He doesn't seem like a great

1:06:42

guy. And I think Paul Walter Hauser

1:06:45

is great casting for him because he

1:06:47

can get you on his side and

1:06:49

get you excited when like he's making

1:06:52

this weird dream slash scheme of his

1:06:54

happen. But also you realize this, there's

1:06:56

something wrong with him. There's something incomplete

1:06:59

about him, there's something sad about him,

1:07:01

there's a void here. Yeah. And I

1:07:03

don't know how much I actually support

1:07:06

him in his indifference. And Paul Lotherhouser

1:07:08

is a master of keeping that going.

1:07:10

Well, here's the thing. I really admire

1:07:13

con artists who con the big... the

1:07:15

big cheese. Yeah, I don't mind when

1:07:17

you do that. When you build, if

1:07:20

you're like running some sort of scheme

1:07:22

to like steal credit card numbers from

1:07:24

like poor people and add them to

1:07:27

be like you're like conning people out

1:07:29

of some kind of like gaming scam.

1:07:31

Yeah, fuck you, that's not okay. But

1:07:34

if you're like an individual who finds

1:07:36

out ways to scam corporations out of

1:07:38

money. Uh-huh. Good. I can't be that

1:07:41

mad. I read a story just recently,

1:07:43

I wish I knew a little bit

1:07:45

more about the details, but evidently this

1:07:48

guy figured out how to fake bills,

1:07:50

like mail bills to people, and just

1:07:52

in the hopes that they would find

1:07:55

the bill, write a check, and mail

1:07:57

it in, and he'd just get the

1:07:59

money. this to Elon Musk. Oh

1:08:01

no, not Elon Musk. Oh no.

1:08:04

He conned Elon Musk out of

1:08:06

millions of dollars. Fine. Good, you

1:08:08

did good. I mean he's not

1:08:11

even gonna notice. Yeah, yeah. Like

1:08:13

he was sending these bills out

1:08:15

to like these rich idiots who

1:08:18

just they're just gonna pay bills.

1:08:20

They don't care. Fine, let him make

1:08:22

a moving that way. Like again, it's

1:08:24

all a matter of are you punching

1:08:26

upwards or punching downwards? Like if you

1:08:28

look at like the movie The Beekeeper,

1:08:30

the Jason Statham movie, that's about like

1:08:32

phone and internet scammers who like

1:08:34

steal money from old people and

1:08:36

like destroy their retirement until they

1:08:38

might even take their own lives?

1:08:40

And then there's like, I don't know, this

1:08:43

is not the perfect example, but

1:08:45

then there's like, you know, in Ocean's

1:08:47

11, Danny Ocean is stealing from a

1:08:49

fucking casino, a fucking casino. Yeah. Danny

1:08:51

Ocean steals more money. The

1:08:53

beekeeper guys are the ones who are

1:08:55

evil. Like again, if you can

1:08:58

steal something from someone who either

1:09:00

won't notice it's missing or deserves

1:09:02

to have stuff taken from them,

1:09:04

karmically, you got me. And honestly,

1:09:06

like in this again, in all

1:09:09

the other context of Michael Larson's

1:09:11

life, maybe not, in this exact

1:09:13

moment... Fuck CBS! Like there's

1:09:15

a lot of people working

1:09:18

there and I do appreciate

1:09:20

that there are like people

1:09:22

working there that's like Macy

1:09:24

Williams plays like a PA

1:09:26

or something and she's talking about

1:09:28

how you know you're gonna get

1:09:31

me fired we're all gonna get

1:09:33

fired over this and I'm not

1:09:35

a millionaire I don't have money

1:09:37

so there is That is addressed. There

1:09:39

are like other potential consequences for

1:09:41

this thing and that leads this

1:09:43

level of real intensity to it.

1:09:45

It's like, because again, when it

1:09:47

takes place all in one day

1:09:49

and everything's like taking place like

1:09:51

during the episodes as they're recording

1:09:53

them, it's just this real warped dream

1:09:55

like, you never have like a panic

1:09:58

dream where everybody's moving too fast. That's

1:10:00

kind of this movie. It's really funny.

1:10:02

I got really invested in it. It's

1:10:05

kind of wonderfully surreal. There's a great,

1:10:07

and I'm not going to tell you

1:10:09

what the context is, there's a great

1:10:12

scene with Johnny Knoxville. Playing a character,

1:10:14

like not like just being Johnny Knoxville.

1:10:16

That actually is like, I'm sure it

1:10:19

didn't happen, but it's perfect. Whoever wrote

1:10:21

that scene? Genius. Absolutely the best way

1:10:23

to play that moment. You did a

1:10:25

fantastic job. I really do think this

1:10:28

is a great movie. This is a

1:10:30

great movie. Okay. I think if you

1:10:32

know about it, cool. If you don't

1:10:35

know about it, you're going to find

1:10:37

it surprising as why I didn't tell

1:10:39

you everything about it. But... I like

1:10:42

that you said he's like not completely

1:10:44

honest guy, like he's not convicted that

1:10:46

way. Yeah, like he's definitely... There's not

1:10:49

sympathetic qualities, but also like, he's doing

1:10:51

something wrong. But you're not sure how

1:10:53

wrong it is. What is the extent

1:10:56

of how bad he is? Is he

1:10:58

just... a scam artist or is there

1:11:00

something worse at play here and they

1:11:03

they do a really good job with

1:11:05

it. Paul Walter Houser is fantastic in

1:11:07

it. The whole cast is really really

1:11:10

good. The production design is fantastic. The

1:11:12

editing is great. I got really swept

1:11:14

up in this movie. I passed my

1:11:17

Billy Elliot test. Which I think I

1:11:19

mentioned before, and this is not something

1:11:21

you can do with every movie. You

1:11:24

didn't get to see my quizzical headcocking.

1:11:26

No, no. I mentioned this before, I

1:11:28

might have called it something else before,

1:11:30

but, and you cannot, this is a

1:11:33

test that cannot be applied to every

1:11:35

movie because it will endanger your health.

1:11:37

And I'm setting up this in a

1:11:40

weird way. When I was in college,

1:11:42

I had pulled a 36 hour day

1:11:44

during finals week, or midterms, or whatever

1:11:47

the fuck it was. And I was

1:11:49

fucking exhausted. And I was miserable. And

1:11:51

I was walking home. And if you've

1:11:54

ever been to UCLA, UCLA is this

1:11:56

bizarre landscaping wonder where literally everywhere you

1:11:58

go is uphill. I don't know how

1:12:01

they did it. Going to my apartment

1:12:03

and coming back. from my apartment all

1:12:05

uphill both directions I don't know how

1:12:08

they did it so I'm miserable I'm

1:12:10

tired my feet hurt and I'm walking

1:12:12

past this like student union thing and

1:12:15

they're showing for free and it was

1:12:17

the new movie at the time Billy

1:12:19

Elliot and I was like fuck it

1:12:22

so I go into Billy I figure

1:12:24

if I fall asleep I fall asleep

1:12:26

okay and I've been up for 36

1:12:29

hours and Billy Elliot was so fucking

1:12:31

good I think it's the greatest movie

1:12:33

ever anything. It's just really well made

1:12:36

involving movie that I didn't fall asleep

1:12:38

when I've been up for over a

1:12:40

day. If a movie can keep your

1:12:42

attention when you are fucking exhausted and

1:12:45

your eyes don't even droop once, that

1:12:47

must be a pretty good movie. There's

1:12:49

something about that movie that's grabbing you.

1:12:52

And luckiest man in the world is

1:12:54

one of those. It really grabbed me.

1:12:56

I think it's great. I hope more

1:12:59

people see it. It feels like the

1:13:01

sort of thing that should have come

1:13:03

out towards the end of the year.

1:13:06

Maybe Oscar stuff is unlikely, but it

1:13:08

would give you that element of prestige,

1:13:10

like maybe it's worth it. And I

1:13:13

feel like dumping it in April in

1:13:15

like very limited releases and doing a

1:13:17

lot of favors, but it's really good.

1:13:20

And I hope you see it, because

1:13:22

it's really, really, really good. All right,

1:13:24

and then the last movie, I am.

1:13:27

Not a great movie, but a great

1:13:29

name for a slasher movie. Hell of

1:13:31

a Summer is a summer camp slasher

1:13:34

movie. Co-directed by Finn Wolfhard and Billy

1:13:36

Brick. He had a small role in

1:13:38

Ghostbusters afterlife with Finn Wolfhard was in

1:13:41

as well. He's done some of their

1:13:43

acting work as well. Probably met. Yeah.

1:13:45

Or there's some. I don't know. Kensington

1:13:47

Market, which is a small neighborhood in

1:13:50

Toronto, apparently. So maybe they're just local

1:13:52

boys. Okay. Anyway. Hell of a summer.

1:13:54

is pretty standard slash and would be

1:13:57

fair to start with. There's like many

1:13:59

summer camp slash movies, the kids aren't

1:14:01

there yet, it's all about like the

1:14:04

counselors setting up. Because once you have

1:14:06

all those kids there, it gets into

1:14:08

a weird tone. I do appreciate that

1:14:11

the one Friday 13th movie where the

1:14:13

kids actually were at the camp for

1:14:15

the right 13th, part 6, has a

1:14:18

scene where Jason is stalking around and

1:14:20

kids are heading underneath their beds and

1:14:22

one kid turns to another kid and

1:14:25

said, so what did you want to

1:14:27

be when you grew up? And it's

1:14:29

such a good one. It's so great.

1:14:32

Anyway. Yeah, everyone's everyone's fucking dying and

1:14:34

the main character is a character named

1:14:36

Jason He is played by an actor

1:14:39

named Fred Heshinger Who was in eighth

1:14:41

grade? Oh, yeah, he was in the

1:14:43

woman in the window He was in

1:14:46

the fear street movies, so he's got

1:14:48

a bit of a pedigree and I

1:14:50

guess he was on the first season

1:14:52

of white Lotus, so I didn't watch

1:14:55

so he loves summer camp. He's 24.

1:14:57

Okay. And he had like an internship

1:14:59

to like some kind of law firm

1:15:02

or something like his mom pulled some

1:15:04

strings and he quit that because the

1:15:06

people who ran the summer camp he

1:15:09

used to go to every year said

1:15:11

hey listen you're always a good camp

1:15:13

counselor could you come in we need

1:15:16

some extra people this year. Okay. So

1:15:18

he dropped an actual career to do

1:15:20

this. All right. Because he loves it

1:15:23

so much. He is a dork. Nothing

1:15:25

wrong with that, but that's his character.

1:15:27

He's a huge dork. He's socially awkward.

1:15:30

He's super invested in camp and the

1:15:32

gag is none of the other counselors

1:15:34

are invested in camp. The people who

1:15:37

run the camp are killed in the

1:15:39

opening scene by a killer in a

1:15:41

devil mask. Hell of a summer. A

1:15:44

note is left behind saying we'll be

1:15:46

back in a day you guys get

1:15:48

ready and over the course of the

1:15:51

film people start dying or killed by

1:15:53

a guy in a devil mask. Jason

1:15:56

is just trying to get everyone on

1:15:58

board, trying to get everyone excited, trying

1:16:01

to get all kumbas. yaw and the

1:16:03

rest of the cast is full of

1:16:05

people who are a-holes a lot of

1:16:08

them. Some of them are in love

1:16:10

with a girl or are you in

1:16:12

love with them as well. I don't

1:16:14

know. My friend's jealous. He's like, he's

1:16:17

like Ken Marino and Wet Hot American

1:16:19

Summer. He wants to be like the

1:16:21

horny cool guy, but he doesn't have

1:16:24

the skills to do that. So he

1:16:26

comes across as more pathetic than anyone

1:16:28

else. There's the one theater kid who

1:16:31

is... the cartoon theater kid. There's the

1:16:33

one girl who is a vegan and

1:16:35

that's it. There's the one girl who

1:16:38

is like the goth chick and she

1:16:40

like has a Ouija board that may

1:16:42

be important later. A lot of characters

1:16:45

are very specific individual traits. Anyway, eventually

1:16:47

Jason finds a dead body freaks out,

1:16:49

tells everyone about it and all of

1:16:52

these people are kind of such horrible

1:16:54

people that instead of... Like the first

1:16:56

thing they do is try to leave,

1:16:59

makes sense, but their cars have all

1:17:01

been sabotaged so they're stuck. Uh, they're

1:17:03

also horrible people that they turn on

1:17:06

each other very quickly and like halfway

1:17:08

through the movie, they all decide that

1:17:10

Jason must be the killer and now

1:17:13

everyone's trying to kill him. And that's

1:17:15

pretty funny. Yeah. That's a pretty good

1:17:17

kind of cynical tone to it. And

1:17:20

he's not, well, maybe there's a twist,

1:17:22

but yeah. There's, there's, basically presented that

1:17:24

he's not actually the killer. In the

1:17:26

first scene we see people die at

1:17:29

the summer camp and in the second

1:17:31

scene we see this guy's mom driving

1:17:33

him to the summer camp. Okay. If

1:17:36

he is in on it, it's a

1:17:38

group thing. Okay. Or, but he certainly

1:17:40

couldn't be just him. Yeah. So we

1:17:43

know that much. And there is a

1:17:45

reveal, it's not hugely surprising, but I've

1:17:47

seen slash the movie's hide it worse.

1:17:50

Okay. The thing is, is that the

1:17:52

gag is that they're all just kind

1:17:54

of terrible people, and they handle it

1:17:57

in terrible people ways. And that's cute.

1:17:59

Honestly, there's a couple of characters who

1:18:01

I really like got invested in, and

1:18:04

I... Like that guy's a, that guy's

1:18:06

an a-hole, but I think he's got

1:18:08

a good heart underneath it, so I

1:18:11

hope he makes it out. You know,

1:18:13

it's kind of the a-hole that like,

1:18:15

you know, you're 19 and you're trying

1:18:18

too hard. But eventually you're gonna grow

1:18:20

up and realize you can put all

1:18:22

that away and just be a good

1:18:25

person, that kind of thing. Like, there's

1:18:27

a little bit of depth in like

1:18:29

two of them are fine. None of

1:18:32

them stand out. There's no like one

1:18:34

memorable death, like Kevin Bacon getting the

1:18:36

arrow in his throat in Friday 13th

1:18:38

or that one bit in the, what

1:18:41

was that movie that came out last

1:18:43

year, the very pastoral slasher movie? Oh,

1:18:45

um, um. Oh, what was it called?

1:18:48

In a violent nature. In a violent

1:18:50

nature. Which is a great movie. I

1:18:52

love that movie, actually. But if there's

1:18:55

one kill in that movie, that is,

1:18:57

holy shit. Never saw that one before.

1:18:59

Who? Like, if you remember nothing else

1:19:02

about that film, you will remember that

1:19:04

one kill. Yeah. Whoo. There's nothing that

1:19:06

that inventive here. It's basically just, can

1:19:09

we make a laconic, funny, kind of

1:19:11

bitter little slasher comedy. And you can.

1:19:14

The pacing needs to pick the fuck

1:19:16

up. That's the biggest problem with it.

1:19:18

It really does feel like We're just

1:19:21

trying to get to 88 minutes wherever

1:19:23

the fuck long it is. There's a

1:19:25

lot of dead space It's a lot

1:19:27

of that we're like okay, and then

1:19:29

these two characters are gonna talk great.

1:19:32

Are they funny? It's not a wash

1:19:34

and there's certainly some charm to it.

1:19:36

It's... I can see the personality behind

1:19:38

it and I can appreciate what they

1:19:40

were going for. There are moments when

1:19:43

it works really good. But overall, the

1:19:45

overall presentation is... weirdly slowly paced and

1:19:47

it feels like maybe this was a

1:19:49

really good short that shouldn't have been

1:19:51

a feature. It's sounding to me like

1:19:54

you were talking about that can that

1:19:56

can do attitude of like indie filmmakers

1:19:58

who have no money but they're gonna

1:20:00

make a slasher movie anyway. I remember

1:20:02

a lot of people who talk about

1:20:05

sort of modern blockbusters as homage to

1:20:07

like older B movies. A lot of

1:20:09

them are a lot of them are.

1:20:11

they're just have a gigantic budget. They

1:20:13

say, oh, this is supposed to feel

1:20:15

like an old B movie. Well, no,

1:20:18

it doesn't because there's actually things happening

1:20:20

in your movie. Right. You watch old

1:20:22

B movies, and a lot of them

1:20:24

are slow and dull and terrible. A

1:20:26

lot of people like forget about fun

1:20:29

old movies. Right. You watch old B

1:20:31

movies, and a lot of them are

1:20:33

slow and dull and terrible. A lot

1:20:35

of people like forget about fun old

1:20:37

movies. Yeah. Robert Rodriguez made the type

1:20:40

of movie he would make now, but

1:20:42

in a slightly 70s-ish kind of way.

1:20:44

And it's very fast-paced and very wild

1:20:46

and gory and every every scene is

1:20:48

interesting and weird shit happens and it's

1:20:51

really fun to watch. Mm. Tarantino made

1:20:53

a 70s movie in which there's two

1:20:55

fucking exciting scenes and they are admittedly

1:20:57

really fucking exciting and then the rest

1:20:59

of it is kind of boring dialogue.

1:21:02

Yeah, it's just people talking about stuff.

1:21:04

And I know something like, oh, planet

1:21:06

terror was better. Maybe? But death proof

1:21:08

is the one that's accurate. That's what

1:21:10

those 70s movies were like. That's the

1:21:13

one that's waiting around in those days.

1:21:15

That actually like leave out like a

1:21:17

couple of like it takes place in

1:21:19

the present day, but you could remove

1:21:21

a couple of references and you'd never

1:21:24

know. Huh like take that out. That's

1:21:26

a 70's a 70s movie. Rodriguez made

1:21:28

the 70s movie that you remember because

1:21:30

you're cutting out all the bad parts.

1:21:32

Hell of a Summer is a lot

1:21:35

of the boring parts. And I think,

1:21:37

and you know what? I think of

1:21:39

this movie had been made in the

1:21:41

80s, it would have a small cult.

1:21:43

Yeah. You know, and that would be

1:21:46

fine. Now, I don't see it making

1:21:48

a huge impact. I assume Fin Wolfart

1:21:50

has some fans who will see it,

1:21:52

and I assume they're going to get

1:21:54

some entertainment out of it. But it

1:21:57

is not great. But I will say

1:21:59

this, their first feature, they have personality,

1:22:01

they have some ideas, now if they

1:22:03

could just get some energy, like just

1:22:05

pick up, like really, you know, it...

1:22:08

Film takes place over a period of

1:22:10

time. This sounds redundant, but it's true.

1:22:12

You can pick up a book and

1:22:14

you can pick and put it down

1:22:16

again any time. Movies, especially for watching

1:22:19

them in a theater, you're supposed to

1:22:21

watch them from beginning to end and

1:22:23

that means they have to keep your

1:22:25

attention for the entire running time. And

1:22:27

there are a variety of different ways

1:22:30

to do this and you should... is

1:22:32

one of the things we talk about

1:22:34

when we talk about pacing. If it's

1:22:36

all excitement all the time, even that

1:22:38

gets boring, even that gets boring. Even

1:22:41

that gets boring. This is a movie

1:22:43

where the only real problem with it

1:22:45

is the pacing. And it's just, I

1:22:47

kind of want to just give the

1:22:49

footage to an editing class and just

1:22:52

be like, hey, can you do better?

1:22:54

That would be fun. That was actually

1:22:56

something we did in my editing class.

1:22:58

They found like a TV movie and

1:23:00

they gave us like all of the

1:23:03

coverage for like two scenes. Yeah. And

1:23:05

just say, you do it. Go nuts.

1:23:07

See what you can do with this

1:23:09

video. There's only so much. We only

1:23:11

have ten setups. The scene is two

1:23:14

minutes long. And then it was a

1:23:16

great bit where like I think when

1:23:18

we were done it was like okay

1:23:20

great you did you edited this two-minute

1:23:22

TV movie scene and maybe did good

1:23:25

maybe you didn't problem is is that

1:23:27

we sold some extra commercials so now

1:23:29

have to cut out 30 seconds. Oh

1:23:31

I love it. Yeah and that's a

1:23:33

real thing. You might just oh all

1:23:36

of a sudden it's running a little

1:23:38

long you got to cut 30 seconds

1:23:40

you got to cut whatever and it's

1:23:42

like how I don't know man but

1:23:44

it's a TV movie on network network

1:23:47

television it has to fit. So I

1:23:49

would love to like give someone just

1:23:51

like a movie especially movie that didn't

1:23:53

turn out perfect and just that's your

1:23:55

project edit it. Yeah. Make it a

1:23:58

thing. See what you can do with

1:24:00

it. I'd love to see it. So

1:24:02

yeah it's The editing isn't great, the

1:24:04

pacing isn't great, but it's cute and

1:24:06

I'm mostly, I was mostly amused. Okay,

1:24:09

all right. So on that note, it's

1:24:11

time to review movies on our critically

1:24:13

acclaimed scales, the movie review roundup. We

1:24:15

review movies on a scale of C

1:24:17

minus to C plus. C minus is

1:24:20

a below average movie. These are movies

1:24:22

that we just generally don't recommend or

1:24:24

maybe we think they're terrible. A C

1:24:26

is an average movie. These are movies

1:24:28

that are just okay, you know, you

1:24:31

know, mixed bag. maybe only for one

1:24:33

audience not for anyone else. And then

1:24:35

a C plus is an above average

1:24:37

movie. This is a movie we think

1:24:39

is really good. Maybe even great. And

1:24:42

we recommend it wholeheartedly. On that note,

1:24:44

hell of a summer. Very low C.

1:24:46

Right on the cusp of C minus.

1:24:48

But I'm going to give it a

1:24:50

little. There's enough moments. There's a few

1:24:53

characters I liked enough to make it

1:24:55

like if you're a horror movie fan.

1:24:57

If you're a horror movie fan. If

1:24:59

you're a slash movie fan. But if

1:25:01

you're not, this is not the best

1:25:04

example of a slasher comedy. Got it.

1:25:06

Let's see, the luckiest man in America,

1:25:08

C-plus, wonderful film, not at all what

1:25:10

I expected. Like I knew the story,

1:25:12

didn't play out the way I thought

1:25:15

it would, impressively done film. And Paul

1:25:17

Walker Haivers is particularly good. Actually, the

1:25:19

whole cast is sparkling, it's great. Screamboat?

1:25:21

A high C. all right it's never

1:25:23

quite good enough to justify like a

1:25:26

full-throated recommendation but you know if these

1:25:28

kinds of slash movies have any interest

1:25:30

or any appeal to you this is

1:25:32

the one to see yeah this one's

1:25:34

actually having fun with it it's got

1:25:37

a lot of energy it the pacing

1:25:39

is good throughout the kills are memorable

1:25:41

It doesn't have a lot to say

1:25:43

about seem but willy, but it's still

1:25:45

a fun take on it And there's

1:25:48

a couple of really fun weird bits

1:25:50

that I thought was really really a

1:25:52

music And then finally a Minecraft movie

1:25:54

Minecraft movie is gonna be a It's

1:25:56

just see okay. I mean it's it's

1:25:59

no it's no classic but for a

1:26:01

film But I and everyone else kind

1:26:03

of expected to suck because it's so

1:26:05

cynical and such a strange idea to

1:26:07

start with. It's shocking how average it

1:26:10

is. And again, how much personality it

1:26:12

has. Well, cool, man. I think that's

1:26:14

great. All right. That is different critically

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1:26:25

this week. Uh, we're gonna

1:26:27

be seeing drop. Really interesting

1:26:29

thrillers coming out. From the

1:26:31

director of Happy Death Day,

1:26:33

so I'm interested. He's got

1:26:36

a good vibe. There's, uh,

1:26:38

the amateur that Romi Mallick

1:26:40

film is coming out. It's

1:26:42

sort of a revenge action

1:26:44

thriller. There's a new, a new

1:26:47

revenge action thriller. There's a new,

1:26:49

a new film from Alex Garland.

1:26:51

It's coming out next week. I'll

1:26:53

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a new Western called gun slingers

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