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Send it to the critically acclaimed network.

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mid-February and we just got some Christmas

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cards. Oh, wow. So some things are

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taking a while to reach us. Oh

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man, our government is not good. a

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male and this one is a Christmas

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letter. It's a little card. On the

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front of the card it's a line

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of little elves holding Christmas presents and

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the caption is, it's who you know.

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Okay. The caption on the inside is

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hoping you get all you wish for

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this holiday. Oh, that's nice. And it

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comes from Cody. Hello, Cody. And the

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cards reads, Dear Bibs and Mark Meister,

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McCool. Thank you for the many hours

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of entertainment over the years. I've been

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a listener since 2018. Wow, I can

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stand that much of us. That's two-thirds

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of a decade right there. Indeed it

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is. No questions or reviews of bizarre

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corporate fluff piece commentaries from the Walt

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Disney Company this year. Asterisk. For context,

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I once sent you a card one

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year where I described how much the

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Mickey Mouse documentary on Disney Plus sucked.

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I wish the two of you my

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favorite podcasters a great holiday season. So

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Sunday movies. I could of course, happy

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winter solstice bibs and Whitney. Sincerely, yours

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Cody. That's really nice. So that's why

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I had a nice holiday season. Yeah,

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because that's the reason. Cody was reaching

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out to us. Thank you. That's all.

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The times are always appreciated. And thank

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you so much. We didn't get that.

4:17

So yeah, sorry about that, but thank

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you for writing and we have not

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forgotten about you. And we just didn't

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know this one I'm giving you the

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Yes, I'll experience the full experience the

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full with me if you will a

4:31

litany of Whitney. There you go Littany

4:33

Seibold. Anyway, this one comes from Paul

4:35

Knosian. A long, long time listening to

4:37

Paul. Dear Bibbs and Rockmeister McCool, I

4:40

really liked your David Lynch retrospective. Oh,

4:42

thank you. Yeah, David Lynch passed recently

4:44

and we did a special episode because

4:46

we were such big fans. Yeah. My

4:49

first introduction to his films was Pauline

4:51

Cale's review of the Elephant Man and

4:53

The New Yorker. In that article she

4:56

referred to and described scenes from Eresc

4:58

from Eraserhead. in rural, in rural form,

5:00

in a rural town in 1980, excuse

5:02

me. But my mom drove us 30

5:05

miles on a night of pouring rain

5:07

through twisting mountain roads to see the

5:09

elephant man at the nearest movie theater.

5:12

Later we saw the play at the

5:14

Kennedy Center. The story was of interest

5:16

to my mom because she is a

5:18

neurologist and Joseph Merrick suffered from neurofibromytosis

5:21

and she had actually tended patients with

5:23

this disease. Unfortunately, excuse me, fortunately, medical

5:25

science had made great strides since the

5:28

1800s, she hadn't seen anybody in which

5:30

the disease had progressed as far as

5:32

it had for Joseph Merrick's case. When

5:34

I was about 16 or 17, it

5:37

was 1984 or 1985, I had some

5:39

money in the bank and managed to

5:41

order a VHS of eraser hat. for

5:43

about $80 COD. This is cash on

5:46

delivery for all you kids. Yeah, that

5:48

was a thing we had to do

5:50

once. It was like, we'll send you

5:53

something, but you got to pay. You

5:55

got to pay as soon, like when

5:57

it arrives at the door. Yeah, here

5:59

it is. But now you got to

6:02

pay for it. It was pizza rules.

6:04

Yeah, it's pizza rules for everything. Yeah.

6:06

I had ordered over the phone instead

6:09

of Paul Kenosian the name UPS had

6:11

was. Cole Kinosian, which was extremely funny

6:13

when Mackey, the UPS driver, stopped at

6:15

a shop where a buddy working said,

6:18

tell Cole Kinosian to cough up his

6:20

80 bobs. I guess he had to

6:22

be there. It sounds like a mafios.

6:25

You tell Cole Kinosian. There was a-

6:27

They got a pony up. There was

6:29

a time when there was a difference

6:31

between consumer grade VHS cassettes and rental

6:34

grade VHS cassettes. They were physically heavier.

6:36

They were like these, they're bricks. Yeah,

6:38

the rental grades were made of like

6:40

really heavy because they were supposed to

6:43

be given to rental stores. They're supposed

6:45

to be played dozens and dozens of

6:47

times. Yeah, they could take the abuse.

6:50

Yeah, the idea was if you're buying

6:52

it. Probably not going to play it

6:54

as much. So they made it out

6:56

of cheaper materials so they could charge

6:59

you $15 to $20 for a single

7:01

cassette. And also it wouldn't hurt them

7:03

much if you overplayed it and needed

7:06

to get a new one as well.

7:08

Exactly. Yeah. No, like you would, to

7:10

get the original. VHS copy from a

7:12

rental store was, God, I wonder how

7:15

much those go for nowadays, but those

7:17

are actually not cheap. I found one

7:19

at a thrift store. Well, I mean,

7:21

it was a VHS copy of Return

7:24

to Oz. And it still had the,

7:26

take this home tonight, 7995 sticker on

7:28

it. It was clearly like rental grade.

7:31

Yeah. And but it was in the

7:33

VHS section of thrift store. It cost

7:35

me a buck. Yeah. So I brought

7:37

it home, it's like, I can turn

7:40

this around and sell it. and this

7:42

is like a four hundred five hundred

7:44

dollar cassette so I put on eBay

7:47

no takers well that's the thing yeah

7:49

like you can say it costs how

7:51

much it depends on who was actually

7:53

willing to pay it yeah the the

7:56

value of something is however much somebody

7:58

is willing to pay. If nobody's going

8:00

to pay $500, it's not worth $500.

8:03

So that ended up going back out

8:05

to a thrift store. So it's still

8:07

floating out out there. Well, hopefully someone

8:09

will find a good help. Anyway, the

8:12

letter continues. But Eraserhead will always be

8:14

David Lynch's best film for me. I

8:16

grew up in the Rust Belt surrounded

8:18

by Industrial Bleakness and even bought the

8:21

soundtrack LP, which included a coveted five

8:23

by seven photo of the baby. That

8:25

sounds kind of bad-ass to me. You

8:28

remember the car if you get... Can

8:30

you imagine? Can you imagine if you

8:32

got into an Uber? And it's like

8:34

a photo. It was an actual photograph.

8:37

And it was just like, oh, is

8:39

that yours? I'd just like kiss it

8:41

occasionally. All right, I'm running out of

8:44

steam, it's getting late. On Critically acclaimed

8:46

number 319, you mentioned the 1975 Invisible

8:48

Man series with David McCallum. I sent

8:50

you the DVD box a few years

8:53

ago. There weren't that many episodes and

8:55

I know it's hard to carve out

8:57

the time for a whole season of

9:00

TV, but it's delicious. Yeah, no, that's

9:02

been on our list for a long

9:04

time and we're sorry about that. Also,

9:06

my journey to watch every movie in

9:09

a psychotronic encyclopedia of film. You have

9:11

that just on the shelf behind you.

9:13

Michael Weldon is the author. He's sort

9:15

of coined the phrase psychotronic to refer

9:18

to a very specific type of cult

9:20

movie. But not just cult movies, there's

9:22

some mainstream movies that just had odd

9:25

genre types of elements. And he put

9:27

together these two big compendiums. One was

9:29

the home video guide and one's the

9:31

encyclopedia. I have the encyclopedia. I haven't

9:34

been able to find the home video

9:36

guide. You have the home video guide.

9:38

I guess it is a one. Yeah,

9:41

yeah, yeah. You have the gray one

9:43

with the pink lettering, right? I think.

9:45

Yeah. Then there's the garish one with

9:47

like yellows. There was a time when

9:50

like weird cult movies were hard to

9:52

find out about. Mm-hmm. And the psychotronic

9:54

film guide was an indispensable. Oh God,

9:57

yes. If you cared about such things.

9:59

All right, but that is a noble

10:01

goal, trying to watch all of the

10:03

films in the Psychotronic Encyclopedia. I stumbled

10:06

across a pretty amazing Edgar Wallace adaptation,

10:08

The Door with Seven Locks, 1962, which

10:10

may contain the precursor to Gomez and

10:12

Morticia, except they are truly evil, question

10:15

mark. Cheers. Thanks for all the great

10:17

recommendations. Paul. Thank you very much. Very

10:19

nice letter. We'll get to the Invisible

10:22

Man. We are sorry. We are sorry.

10:24

Sorry we haven't gone to the... There

10:26

are so many shows that we wish

10:28

we'd have gone to. Yeah. There was

10:31

a time when we just had the

10:33

time. Oh, remember that year. Just to

10:35

watch an entire, like, 24 hours of

10:38

TV in a week. Like, we can

10:40

just do that. There was a time

10:42

when... Okay, sweetie. He just keeps tapping

10:44

me on the shoulder. It's like, hey,

10:47

the cat wants attention. Like a devil

10:49

on my shoulder. Like, hey, you should

10:51

give the cat's treats. I will give

10:54

the cat's treats. Excuse me. Tell me

10:56

what you're saying. What was I saying?

10:58

Treats? Treats? It was a time when

11:00

we had fewer responsibilities and a lot

11:03

more different jobs. I didn't have my

11:05

child yet. Things change when you have

11:07

a child when you have a nine

11:09

to five job. There was a time

11:12

when my job actually let me, I

11:14

could clock in, do my work, and

11:16

also watch TV at the same time.

11:19

Yeah, that was pretty nice. So I

11:21

could get a lot done. I was

11:23

able to watch all of blood drive

11:25

in like two days. That kind of

11:28

stuff. Yeah. No longer. No longer. So

11:30

it's that's why episodes of Council Too

11:32

Soon are a little bit sparser these

11:35

days. Yeah. But we do try to

11:37

give you letters. We try to use

11:39

other things as well. We do other

11:41

things as well. And we are working

11:44

on a few episodes of Council Too

11:46

Soon right now. Yes. I'm very excited

11:48

to bring them to you. but again

11:51

this this year really sucked so far

11:53

so we're still trying to find an

11:55

equilibrium hopefully we can get back to

11:57

something resembling normal but at the very

12:00

least a new equilibrium like a standard

12:02

Schedule where we can accomplish more of

12:04

what we really want to accomplish because

12:06

we love doing this It pains us

12:09

so much Right now, but in any

12:11

case. Thank you for writing and appreciate

12:13

it But we have plenty of emails.

12:16

Those were the only physical letters we

12:18

got so yeah, go ahead and send

12:20

us a letter postcard. What if you

12:22

like we'd be happy to get it.

12:25

We're not getting so many letters that

12:27

we have to parse them out So

12:29

if you want to hear something read

12:32

on we've got mail, definitely send us

12:34

a letter. Yeah, and again, we make

12:36

episodes when we have enough letters right

12:38

now. They used to be weekly and

12:41

then people got busy. So we do

12:43

it more once or twice a month

12:45

right now. But yeah. Yeah. Anyway, here's

12:48

an email and this one comes from

12:50

Cameron. It says, hello again, gentlemen. I

12:52

was a big listener a few years

12:54

back when I was very in tune

12:57

with the film scene, but after a

12:59

few years of not doing super well

13:01

mentally, I kind of fell out of

13:03

fell out of it. But never fear.

13:06

I'm feeling and doing a lot better

13:08

now, and I've been able to get

13:10

back into some of my hobbies lately,

13:13

and that includes catching up with some

13:15

of your shows. I know I'm back

13:17

into movies because there's already a very

13:19

popular film out there that I do

13:22

not like. Yay! Sorry, Nosfera, too! Oh,

13:24

snap. My point is, happy to be

13:26

back. I guess I should include a

13:29

question, what are some of your favorite

13:31

child actor performances? I just finished Mario

13:33

Heller's Night Bitch and thought the young

13:35

performers, I believe there were twins playing

13:38

the same role, carried a lot of

13:40

the film on their shoulders and did

13:42

a great job. Thanks Cameron. That's a

13:45

great question. Thanks for coming back. I

13:47

know what that's like to sort of,

13:49

when you're not doing well mentally, you

13:51

fall away from the things that like...

13:54

Defined you and gave you pleasure because

13:56

they're not they're not doing it for

13:58

you. We were just talking about this

14:00

actually Yeah, we're both you know, it's

14:03

been really hard lately for a variety

14:05

of reasons of both of our lives

14:07

and not always same ones and I

14:10

had a therapist once who I was

14:12

really depressed and obviously you're in therapy

14:14

to try to work that out but

14:16

you know he gave me some good

14:19

advice and he said what when was

14:21

the last time you were happy and

14:23

I really had to think back ah

14:26

and then he said what were some

14:28

of the things you were doing then

14:30

that you don't do now and it

14:32

was like uh I would by comic

14:35

books regularly or I would play video

14:37

games and things I just don't have

14:39

time for and he was like, try

14:41

doing that again. Yeah, and just do

14:44

that. Yeah. Just it made you happy,

14:46

go for it and you know, it

14:48

doesn't cure my depression, but it's not,

14:51

it gives me pleasure. It's interesting when

14:53

you like, you get older and like,

14:55

you run into some hard times and

14:57

you realize that the things that you

15:00

sacrifice are the things that make you

15:02

happy. It's not a great system. If

15:04

you think about it, like it certainly

15:07

does it. It's certainly not if you

15:09

eliminate all of them. Well, you know,

15:11

that's how it works. There's there's a

15:13

two two-edge sword to this because sometimes

15:16

the Jesus refrigerator what the shit? It

15:18

wants to get a little bit of

15:20

a contribution. Okay, well everyone's buzzing about

15:23

the refrigerator and the refrigerator's buzzing right

15:25

back. Trying to keep things cold for

15:27

yeah. On the one hand, I don't

15:29

like to delve into sort of my

15:32

favorite things when I'm depressed because my

15:34

depression will color that thing. It doesn't

15:36

work the other way for me for

15:38

whatever reason. If I see something I

15:41

really really love and I'm depressed, I

15:43

start hating that thing. That's another futile

15:45

thing in life that will just make

15:48

me sad. Are you the kind of

15:50

person who when you're sad, you listen

15:52

to sad music? Because I'm the kind

15:54

of person when I'm sad, I try

15:57

to listen to listen to happy music

15:59

to happy music. When I'm happy I

16:01

listen to sad music and when I'm

16:04

sad I listen to no music. That's

16:06

interesting. So there's no happy music in

16:08

your life. If you're either, it's either

16:10

sad music or not. No, I also

16:13

listen to having music. Actually, a lot

16:15

of the music I listen to is

16:17

rather assertively obnoxiously whimsical. Listen to a

16:20

lot of Dr. Demento, that kind of

16:22

stuff. But yeah, at the same time,

16:24

you sometimes do find your way back.

16:26

Just like, oh, I used to love

16:29

this thing for my childhood. I'm going

16:31

to pick it up and start reading

16:33

it again. It does, for a brief

16:35

moment, give you like, like, not just

16:38

a nostalgic, a nostalgic, a sort of

16:40

who you know, And I appreciate those

16:42

moments. You know, I feel like we

16:45

all are all everyone we've ever been.

16:47

People evolve over time. They say people

16:49

don't change. We do. It's not always

16:51

the way we want to, but we

16:54

do. But I feel like, you know,

16:56

even if you change into someone who,

16:58

like, you like better, you're still everyone

17:01

you've ever been. That person's still in

17:03

there somewhere, you know? So, like, if

17:05

there's a person in you who enjoyed

17:07

something, Yeah, feed the beast, especially if

17:10

the beast just likes, I don't know,

17:12

comics and jujubies. You know? I sat

17:14

down and played an any S game,

17:17

because that's the, a big chunk of

17:19

my youth was eaten out by my

17:21

Nintendo. It's like, okay, let me feed

17:23

a little bit more into that machine.

17:26

And it worked, made me feel better.

17:28

As for child performances. Oh, yes, that's

17:30

right. There was an actual question. Yeah,

17:32

for me. I mean, listen, there have

17:35

been a lot of great child actors

17:37

in cinema, some go on to future

17:39

film careers, some don't. I'm of the

17:42

opinion that child actors may have peaked

17:44

early because I don't know if we've

17:46

ever had a better child actor than

17:48

Jackie Cooper. I was going to mention

17:51

the champ. The champ, it be, like,

17:53

that kid. Was uncanny yeah, just watch

17:55

watch what multitudes of emotional complexity His

17:58

his final scene in the champ if

18:00

you're not crying. I don't I don't

18:02

know what's up with you if you

18:04

if you want to Okay, let's say

18:07

you have a very taciturn father and

18:09

you want to watch that taciturn father

18:11

weep? Yeah. Watch the champ from 1931.

18:14

Or in my dad's case, for some

18:16

reason the movie Armageddon. He cried during

18:18

Armageddon. He cried during Armageddon. He cried,

18:20

he never cried in movies, but he

18:23

cried when like there was like slowmo

18:25

walk into like the space shuttle and

18:27

I was like, I will never forget

18:29

it because he was a wonderful man

18:32

and he was very very sweet, but

18:34

he never really cried very often. So

18:36

weird. Very strange, but in any case,

18:39

it's one of the reasons why I

18:41

can't hate that movie. Have a good

18:43

memory of my dad with it. But

18:45

no, Jackie Cooper was really just an

18:48

incredible performer. Especially, and he stayed a

18:50

performer. He was the, he was a,

18:52

uh, Perry White in the live action

18:55

Christopher of Superman movies. Oh, that's right.

18:57

Yeah, yeah. So he was, you know,

18:59

he had a good long career, but

19:01

boy, he was amazing. Definitely, he was

19:04

amazing. comic book and up for Best

19:06

Picture. It was the first movie based

19:08

on a comic. I think it was

19:11

1930 that one came out. The first

19:13

movie based on a comic to win

19:15

Best Picture. Also the peanut butter Skippy

19:17

was named after Skippy and they did

19:20

not have the rights to it and

19:22

they have been trying to settle that.

19:24

And nowadays the peanut butter is better

19:26

known than the character just because the

19:29

comic fell into obscurity but... You still

19:31

owe money, fuckers. So that's a start.

19:33

Let's think of some others. There's some

19:36

young actors who as kids just sort

19:38

of get it. They understand what it

19:40

is to like, immote and sort of

19:42

internalize complex characters. Yeah. I feel like...

19:45

Dakota Fanning? Dakota Fanning is amazing as

19:47

a young actor. It's still great. Understood

19:49

like immediately what it like what acting

19:52

was and what it meant to sort

19:54

of yeah, all of these different people

19:56

when she was a kid. Yeah, I've

19:58

heard directors talk about how like there's

20:01

some kids who are like able to

20:03

do that when they're young and like

20:05

kind of emotionally free. But as you

20:08

get older, some lot of people sort

20:10

of crawl inward and they're not necessarily

20:12

great actors anymore. Like there is just

20:14

this period when they're young and they're

20:17

just so unguarded. Yeah, it's a great

20:19

way of putting it. It's a great

20:21

thing for an actor to be is

20:23

unguarded. Yeah. She's up, I mean, Sir

20:26

Sharcherronan. Yeah, sure, and has continued to

20:28

improve. And others as well. You know

20:30

what? Something I admire about, and I

20:33

know that not a lot of young

20:35

actors can sort of make the leap

20:37

just because of the way specifically the

20:39

American fame system has been set up.

20:42

Yeah. You look at a lot of

20:44

the kids who grew up in sort

20:46

of like... kids shows that were run

20:49

by big corporations like Disney or Nickelodeon

20:51

and all these horror stories about how

20:53

they were mistreated or they were you

20:55

know worked too hard or they're even

20:58

if they were to work too hard

21:00

they were still under a lot of

21:02

pressure from their bosses or even from

21:05

their parents. Well it's like when you're

21:07

it's not just they're not just acting

21:09

they're in a grind and they're like

21:11

moneymaker like people's not just their family

21:14

but like a whole industry side of

21:16

this industry everyone who works on their

21:18

show depends on them and that's a

21:20

lot of pressure to put on it

21:23

so it's too much pressure to put

21:25

on it yeah and a lot of

21:27

a lot of younger actors when they

21:30

start to age out of the cute

21:32

kid roles yeah and you know are

21:34

finally like facing emancipation for the first

21:36

time or they're becoming adults or they're

21:39

you'll finally have access to things like

21:41

alcohol and sex and you'll see them

21:43

acting out in public because they want

21:46

to express that side of themselves and

21:48

uh... but nobody's it's a coping and

21:50

you see a lot of burnout as

21:52

a result i i think immediately Lindsay

21:55

Lohan who brilliant young actress but she

21:57

burned out because she was being controlled

21:59

by of these different pressures. And she

22:01

was wrestling with addiction. So it took

22:04

her a long time to sort of, she had

22:06

to flee the public eye and kind of figure

22:08

out who she was and what she wanted

22:10

out of life before she could go back

22:12

to movies. It's a big period where she's

22:14

just not acting, which is a pity because

22:17

she is a talented actress. And I would

22:19

love to have seen her in more. But.

22:21

Over in the British Isles, there

22:23

seems to be a little bit

22:25

more of a pragmatic view of

22:27

acting. It's not so much about

22:29

the fame system. It still happens,

22:31

of course. But I'm thinking of

22:34

the Harry Potter kids. Most of

22:36

them seem to have turned out,

22:38

most. Most of them had some

22:40

rough goes a bit, but most

22:42

of them seem to have come

22:44

out pretty healthy. Emma Watson doesn't

22:47

act very often, but every time

22:49

she does, she's amazing. Yeah, uh,

22:51

River Grintz, he was on that in-night Shinalon

22:53

show on like Apple. Yeah, and he was, he was

22:55

good in the movie as well. He was in, uh,

22:57

Knock at the Cabin. You're right, I forgot he was

23:00

in there, you're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:02

So he has, again, not, he's really

23:04

impressed me was, uh, uh, uh, the

23:06

actor Tom Felton Felton Felton, he played,

23:09

he played, he played, he played, he

23:11

played, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

23:13

uh, uh... I forgot the Dursley actor

23:15

he's he's really good. Oh, he's a

23:18

he's a he's a really fantastic actor

23:20

who is the kid who played Harry

23:22

Potter's abusive adopted brother. Oh, I don't

23:24

I don't know Dursley. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

23:27

something I forgot the Dursley the Dursley

23:29

actor. He's he's really good. Oh, he's

23:31

a hold on a second Harry Melling

23:33

There we go. Harry Melling is a

23:36

great actor. Yeah, um, I'm trying to

23:38

think like what so he was in

23:40

that Oh, yeah, yeah, he was in

23:42

the Queen's Gambit. He was in the

23:45

Queen's Gambit. He was he was wonderful.

23:47

And did you see did you see

23:49

the pale blue eye? Yeah, it came out

23:51

in 2022. It started Christian Bale. It's

23:53

like a detective in like 1800. He's

23:55

solving a murder with a young egg

23:58

girl and po and her and Harry.

24:00

plays like Galen Poe. It's really good.

24:02

He was in the tragedy of Macbeth.

24:04

You played Malcolm in that movie. He's

24:06

incredibly talented. But that's one where I

24:09

didn't see him as much as a

24:11

child showing that much talent. I mean

24:13

granted the world had masked much of

24:15

him but he certainly grew into an

24:17

excellent actor. I've noticed just sort of

24:20

in the way British actors and American

24:22

actors kind of approached the craft a

24:24

lot differently. How American acting, and again

24:26

this is a very generally speaking of

24:29

course. It is a little bit more

24:31

about sort of the big moments in

24:33

the fame of it. There's a little

24:35

bit more an element of glamour that

24:38

I think American actors kind of attached

24:40

themselves to, whereas British actors put the

24:42

job in front of themselves and do

24:44

it. Like they're honing their craft and

24:47

just trying to be as good as

24:49

they can. I feel like it's a

24:51

little bit more of a almost like

24:53

a working stiff profession. And I admire

24:55

that. And I think that a lot

24:58

healthier, especially for a young actor trying

25:00

to continue acting. to act into their

25:02

adulthood. So it's interesting when like, because

25:04

there's a lot of actors out there

25:07

who got their start as kids, but

25:09

they weren't really famous as kids, maybe

25:11

at least not everywhere. Someone who I've

25:13

really only seen one movie they made

25:16

as a child, but I'm a huge

25:18

fan of adults, Nicole Kidman. Nicole Kidman

25:20

started off as a child actor in

25:22

Australia, and she was pretty, pretty... Big

25:24

over there as I understand it, but

25:27

she didn't really cross over here until

25:29

she got older. But she was in

25:31

BMX Bandits. She was at like 15

25:33

at that point. But she was a

25:36

little child actor at some point. And

25:38

like she was still young. She wasn't

25:40

like an adult. But you watch her

25:42

in BM Expandets and you're like, oh

25:45

she's good. Like it's a movie called

25:47

BMX Bandits. You only expect so much

25:49

from it. But like no, she's she's

25:51

bringing it. Yeah, actually, she's quite excellent.

25:54

Brian, Brian Trenchard Smith, who we got,

25:56

we had to interview him once. He

25:58

was nice, yeah, that was cool. Plenty

26:00

of others, Sean Aston. I thought it

26:02

was a really great young actor, and

26:05

still a really good older actor as

26:07

well, he doesn't get enough big roles,

26:09

if you ask me. I really liked

26:11

him in that. new movie Love Hurts,

26:14

the movie isn't particularly good, but he's

26:16

really good in it. He only has

26:18

two scenes, but he's good in those

26:20

scenes. Those are great scenes. Anyway, we

26:23

should move on. Let us know if

26:25

there's any great child actors we missed.

26:27

Here's a letter from Canadian Keith. Hi

26:29

Keith. Hello Canadian Keith. Dear William and

26:32

Rockmeister McCool. As we begin 2025, this

26:34

letter came in on January 1st. Oh

26:36

my God. So going back a little

26:38

bit. Sorry. Dear William Ross, as we

26:40

begin 2025, I was looking at the

26:43

year 1993 in Star Trek, which you

26:45

just began covering in your all yesterday's

26:47

podcast. We do a... Star Trek podcast

26:49

for subscribers. Reviewing every Star Trek ever?

26:52

And yeah, we just pretty recently started

26:54

doing Deep Space Nine and the last

26:56

two seasons of Next Generation. We're jumping

26:58

back and forth. In that year, there

27:01

were 26 episodes of Star Trek Next

27:03

Generation released along with 30 episodes of

27:05

Deep Space Nine. That trend will continue

27:07

through Deep Space Nine with some 52

27:10

episodes of Star Trek being released each

27:12

year. What that means for the next

27:14

seven years or so, your weekly Star

27:16

Trek podcast will not get any closer

27:18

to the present. That is unless you

27:21

make it roughly a semi-weekly podcast with

27:23

one episode of Deep Space Nine or

27:25

one episode of Next Generation or Voyager

27:27

significant wink. You know? It's not a

27:30

terrible idea. I want to. That's one

27:32

of my favorite projects that we do.

27:34

It's doing all the Star Trek. Yeah,

27:36

yeah, yeah. You fucker. Like listen. I

27:39

mean that from the bottom of my

27:41

heart by the way. But it's one

27:43

of those things where it's just like

27:45

if you fucker brackets affectionately. No, no,

27:47

totally affectionate because if you give me

27:50

something like interesting to do I will

27:52

drop everything in my fucking life and

27:54

do that. I will be like. Well,

27:56

we're doing this forever now. One other

27:59

comment about your podcast output in 2020

28:01

for your monthly podcast only the best

28:03

at a total of three episodes. Yeah,

28:05

we've. a year and a half of

28:08

each of the Oscars, 55 in March,

28:10

56 in July, October. At that pace,

28:12

there's no way you'll be able to

28:14

catch up on the Oscars in your

28:17

lifetimes, even though I expect each of

28:19

you to live at 117, just like

28:21

Iowa. Oh, at least. Yeah. Minimum. Everyone

28:23

says, I don't want to live forever.

28:25

I will not take the immortality potion.

28:28

Fine. More for me. I don't know

28:30

how much more you need. Pardon? I

28:32

think if you just take it once

28:34

you should be fine if it's an

28:37

immortality potion. Well, you have to drink

28:39

a lot for it to work. What

28:41

if it tastes really good? It's still

28:43

kind of rude. Okay, well listen, listen,

28:46

I will say this. What if it's

28:48

like the finest whiskey you've ever had?

28:50

I was speaking of, one of our

28:52

favorite things that we do. It's a

28:55

podcast we review every single movie ever

28:57

nominated for Best Pictureure. I've seen all

28:59

the films for the next episode. I

29:01

saw them over two months ago. I

29:03

don't know what you're talking about. I'm

29:06

just saying. I've one left. I've seen

29:08

four of them. It's hard to find

29:10

the time. It's another ambitious thing that

29:12

we do and I hate that we

29:15

can't keep that up as much as

29:17

we'd like. We're... I really want to.

29:19

Please please please please see. Please see

29:21

Sionara. We just got one film. One

29:24

file. I have to see Sionara And

29:26

then we can record that ASAP. I've

29:28

been begging you. I hope these figures

29:30

don't discourage you. I want to take

29:33

the opportunity to thank you both for

29:35

all of your podcast output output to

29:37

both public and on the Patreon. But

29:39

those are my two those two shows

29:41

are my favorites. You'll never know just

29:44

how much your podcast have meant to

29:46

me I'm sure Yes, I plan to

29:48

write you a letter soon just to

29:50

explain how much your podcast mean to

29:53

me over the past nine years as

29:55

a regular listener So in a way

29:57

you probably won't expect and I'll be

29:59

using the Disney movie wish to illustrate

30:02

it Okay, that you you're right. I

30:04

did not expect that color me intrigued

30:06

all right fair enough and listen these

30:08

are all fair fair fair points The

30:10

idea of doing two Star Trek episodes

30:13

a week is very tempting especially and

30:15

we have a justification for it right

30:17

now and it's it's it's easier to

30:19

turn that turn that out because that's

30:22

only 45 minutes of research yeah before

30:24

we have to sit down it's not

30:26

you know five days I could we

30:28

we could try that for a while

30:31

we could try for let's not well

30:33

maybe not this week you know what

30:35

If we do to a week, it

30:37

would be just like approximating what it

30:40

was like to watch Star Trek at

30:42

times. Because they were running simultaneously. It

30:44

fits. It's a good idea. And if

30:46

we start to feel a little burned

30:48

out, that will just illustrate how Trekkies

30:51

felt at the time. How do I

30:53

catch up with all these shows? I'm

30:55

feeling like they're burned out. Why am

30:57

I so bored by Voyager? Because you've

31:00

had two Star Trekks a week for

31:02

the last four years. Yeah. It's a

31:04

lot to catch up to catch up.

31:06

A lot to catch up on. But

31:09

I don't a lot to catch up

31:11

on. But I want people to catch

31:13

up on. But I want people to

31:15

be bored with our people to be

31:18

bored with our people to be bored

31:20

with our podcast. Well, the people will

31:22

consume the podcast at their own pace.

31:24

Because there are some people who are

31:26

going back and listening. That's true. That's

31:29

true. And I'm very grateful for you.

31:31

Boy, do you have a lot to

31:33

catch up on, because there's a lot

31:35

of it. Anyway, next, next email. Yes,

31:38

this is an email from Justin. Hello,

31:40

Justin. Howdy. Whibs, Bipley, R.M, McKay. Love

31:42

it. I have that's us. I'm about

31:44

your age, which we can just call

31:47

GenX. I wasn't really aware of David

31:49

Lynch, but do remember asking my dad

31:51

to try and explain parts of Twin

31:53

Peaks and him saying that... Some dialogue

31:55

was either a joke or maybe a

31:58

key clue. I guess my first real

32:00

exposure to him was actually Blue Velvet,

32:02

or my first real girlfriend and I

32:04

rented it from the local video store

32:07

Sover Janax, and decided somewhere around the

32:09

nitrous oxide scene that we would really

32:11

rather just make out, and this wasn't

32:13

setting the mood we wanted. The movie

32:16

you didn't realize was a bad date

32:18

movie story I think most people get

32:20

at some point. In college, I tried

32:22

to show my girlfriend at the time.

32:25

Elias marriage is begotten. Which was this,

32:27

and this was a date. It wasn't

32:29

a date. She was just, you know,

32:31

we were just going to college together.

32:33

and she's in my dorm room. And

32:36

we get distracted and we start making

32:38

out and then we look up and

32:40

we see like God disemboweling himself with

32:42

a razor. It's like, let's turn this

32:45

off. This is, yeah. During the pandemic

32:47

on Facebook, I made a post in

32:49

the Two Truths in a Life format

32:51

about David Lynch that got kind of

32:54

wild with truths about him. Someone hanging

32:56

out with a cow to promote an

32:58

actress had quite a range of possibilities.

33:00

That's true. That's true. 100% true. One

33:03

final thing to share about David Lynch

33:05

from my friends who did a talking

33:07

heads tribute show. He wrote a note

33:09

on his sheet music David burn equals

33:11

big suit slash normal size head David

33:14

Lynch equals big head slash normal size.

33:16

That's great. That's good. I love that's

33:18

amazing. Oh God did they ever meet?

33:20

That's a conversation. I would love to

33:23

just be a fly on the wall

33:25

and hear David Byrne and David Lynch

33:27

Talk because you know you'd like to

33:29

think they talk about art or music

33:32

But you know David Byrne would just

33:34

be like Hello, I'd like to talk

33:36

about bicycling for three hours and David

33:38

Lynch would be like yes, and I

33:41

like burgers Oh, I mean amazing. I

33:43

I drink I drank three milkshakes and

33:45

I feel very happy As someone who's

33:47

directed a few small video projects, rock

33:49

operas and other theater, I've tried to

33:52

follow David Lynch's path of supporting my

33:54

casting crew, making it a safe and

33:56

comfortable place for everyone, and using that

33:58

as a platform for building challenging art.

34:01

As always, thank you for being who

34:03

you are and wishing you and your

34:05

loved ones, safety, comfort, and joy. Oh,

34:07

thank you. As I said on our

34:10

tribute podcast, it's so odd how sentimental

34:12

we get about David Lynch, terrifying his

34:14

movies are. Most of them are not

34:16

sentimental films. His movies looked out at

34:18

the insanity of the world and said

34:21

that the most logical reaction to that

34:23

is utter terror. Right. And that's the,

34:25

that's kind of the thesis of most

34:27

of his movies. Yeah. He did make

34:30

a few just sort of gentler emotional

34:32

movies, but it was not the bulk

34:34

of his output. No, and even straight

34:36

story, which is, you know, is his

34:39

G-rated drama about brotherly love. It's a

34:41

sad film. I mean, it's a smooth

34:43

film, but it's about the things you

34:45

have lost. Yeah. Strangement. There's this really

34:48

just... beautiful but really harrowing just bit

34:50

where like two old men reminisce about

34:52

World War II yeah and just how

34:54

you know awful it was and you

34:56

know it's it's not sacrin ever he

34:59

doesn't do sacrin he did sweet sometimes

35:01

but he never did sacrin well I

35:03

think there's there's something about there are

35:05

artists who can make dark bleak aggressive

35:08

even tasteless pieces of art yeah and

35:10

we can get behind them if we

35:12

also know that the person who made

35:14

them are sort of approachable or affable

35:17

or understandable in some way. And David

35:19

Lynch, even though he made these really

35:21

dark and aggressive movies, was a very

35:23

gentle human being and kind of a

35:26

strange quirky guy and interview. Well, there's

35:28

a sensitivity. Yeah. To the darkness in

35:30

his movie. He's not, he's not, this

35:32

is a term I would normally not

35:34

use, but he's the antithesis of it.

35:37

He's not an edge lord. He's not

35:39

putting on airs of darkness so that

35:41

he can seem mature. And listen, that's

35:43

part of a lot of people's lives,

35:46

artistic journeys or whatever, you know, you

35:48

try things out, you feel like when

35:50

you're young, that like cynicism or bleakness

35:52

is equals maturity. You're testing your emotional

35:55

limits. Yeah, that's but there's but there's

35:57

a certain fakeness to a lot of

35:59

filmmakers were trying really hard to be

36:01

dark Whereas David Lynch came at darkness

36:04

from a place of emotional tenderness You

36:06

know like it's it's sad what's happening.

36:08

It's tragic what's happening. Tenderness, but honesty.

36:10

I feel like there's a lot more

36:12

honesty. I kind of mean tenderism, like

36:15

you're touching a nerve. Oh, you know,

36:17

like, oh, it's tender there, don't, you

36:19

know, sorry, yeah, a little, wrong word,

36:21

probably. I've always felt some. I've seen

36:24

plenty of violent movies and this might

36:26

be a weird statement, but I do

36:28

love a good violent movie. I like

36:30

a good gory movie. A good one.

36:33

Yeah, good gory. Sometimes if a movie

36:35

is so unbelievably gory, it can actually

36:37

like... accelerate me in a way that

36:39

will cover up some of the film's

36:41

failings. Burning Moon. Burning Moon is one

36:44

of those movies. Watch, watch Isn't Box

36:46

the Burning Moon at some point. It's

36:48

a German movie and it's really rough.

36:50

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it

36:53

doesn't want to make it easy to

36:55

watch that movie. It's arguably great and

36:57

it's arguably one of the worst things

36:59

ever and it's like, that pushes Gore

37:02

to such an extreme it like. almost

37:04

approaches philosophy. But I feel like the

37:06

attitude toward horror is when they present

37:08

you gore and violence that we are

37:11

supposed to be repelled by it. We're

37:13

supposed to recoil. Even if we're kind

37:15

of enjoying just the visceral extremity of

37:17

it, we understand both us and the

37:19

filmmakers that this is horrifying. Good. No.

37:22

It's bad that this is happening. It

37:24

might be interesting or exciting to watch,

37:26

but it's not good that it's happening.

37:28

Or if it's being presented as good,

37:31

it's being like carried along on this

37:33

kind of nihilistic handshake. It's like life

37:35

is meaningless. This is the result of

37:37

that. Yeah. Meanwhile, there are plenty of

37:40

violent movies in the action mold where

37:42

people get murdered by the score. But

37:44

that violence is presented as something very

37:46

cathartic, actually something very, very good. And

37:49

something that everyone can enjoy. It's like

37:51

a PG-30. Like James Bond. There are

37:53

things about movies where he kills dozens,

37:55

if not hundreds of people. Yeah, more

37:57

than Jason Vorgies. And great! Everyone's like,

38:00

wee! And then Jason Vorgies kills five

38:02

teenagers and all of a sudden it's

38:04

bad. And people get all up in

38:06

a huff over the horror movies, like

38:09

the censors. but they're okay with James

38:11

Bond murdering that guy and i think

38:13

it's because action movies tend to take

38:15

place in this moral space where morally

38:18

simplistic space where all of the world's

38:20

problems can be concentrated in one evil

38:22

person well and if you kill that

38:24

one person the problem is solved there's

38:27

a there's a line in a movie

38:29

that i liked when i was younger

38:31

and i revisited as an adult It

38:33

is not aged well. It is such

38:35

a guy going through a divorce right

38:38

now. It's very, it's a lot of

38:40

sexism and it's really deeply unpleasant, but

38:42

true lies. Oh yeah, true lies. Cool

38:44

action sequences in it, a couple of

38:47

funny bits. I liked it in the

38:49

90s. Yeah, it is, it is a

38:51

mean film, it's mean to women, it

38:53

is pretty damn racist, like it's not

38:56

great. But there are some good bits

38:58

in it, but there's one line that

39:00

I think about a lot, and I

39:02

think it's sort of... the attitude we

39:04

have towards action movies when we're making

39:07

them or watching them when Jamie Lee

39:09

Curtis finds out her husband is like

39:11

a secret agent and he's got it

39:13

he's got a truth serum in him

39:16

so he has to answer all of

39:18

her questions and it it's in a

39:20

very efficient way to get out that

39:22

sequence so that she actually believes him

39:25

because he's been lying to her so

39:27

that's it's good storytelling silly movie She

39:29

says, have you ever killed anybody? And

39:31

he says, yeah, but they were all

39:34

bad. That's it. That's the moral life.

39:36

They're bad. They're bad. They're not human.

39:38

They're so okay to kill in that

39:40

case. Is your bad? It's okay to

39:42

murder you. I've always felt that action

39:45

movies are a lot more morally irresponsible

39:47

with their violence than horror movies. And

39:49

I can't. And I bring this all

39:51

up because I think David Lynch understood

39:54

that. looking at the world, seeing the

39:56

violence, seeing the heart. seeing the abuse

39:58

and feeling utterly no exhilaration about that.

40:00

He didn't find that like evil is

40:03

fascinating. He sees like he wants to

40:05

look at it because he's he is

40:07

fascinated by it but he's not having

40:09

fun with it and he doesn't want

40:12

us to have fun with it. He

40:14

wants us to kind of look at

40:16

look at that violence and kind of

40:18

see something really dark and I think

40:20

that's something like he struggled with that

40:23

in Dune because Dune has sci-fi action

40:25

thrills. And that's not his bag, man.

40:27

He did not approach that from the

40:29

same angle that Denis Villenev did. All

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one comes from a mirror universe scary

41:50

mud. Oh God, so he's awesome. I

41:53

want to see that. Oh my God,

41:55

he'd be like the greatest. hero of

41:57

the mirror universe. He'd be so cool.

41:59

We've already had it. He'd already had

42:02

it. They already brought back Harry Mud.

42:04

No, but they're brought back actual Harry

42:06

Mud, the shit Harry Mud. I'm talking

42:08

about the mirror universe. Mirror universe Harry

42:11

Mud would be so nice. It would

42:13

be like he'd be like Santa Claus,

42:15

just like fly and throw out the

42:17

galaxy. Everyone's like, oh, Harry Mud is

42:20

here. Yay! I'm selling, I'm selling these

42:22

robots, but they're your friends now. Anyway,

42:24

it says gentle beings. Ordinarily I would

42:26

think twice about taking Whitney to task

42:29

about the classic TV he knows the

42:31

most about. I'm of course of referring

42:33

to Gilligan's Islands. Oh shit, we're about

42:35

to open a can of worms and

42:38

or what best? In a recent episode

42:40

of the podcast, Mr. Seibold states that

42:42

1982 Gilligan's planet is the finest chapter

42:45

of the castaway saga. The final chapter

42:47

of the castaway saga that cut and

42:49

it was canonically the last time we

42:51

saw Gilligan Skipper at Al is an

42:54

alien planet with a pet alien named

42:56

Bumper after traveling to said planet fail

42:58

wouldn't rocket ship Cypled cannot be more

43:00

wrong. Ooh. The final appearance of the

43:03

prime timeline castaways is in 1981's The

43:05

Harlem Globe Trotters on Gilegan's Island. Gilegan's

43:07

Island was 82 then. Well, hold on.

43:09

Where after being rescued from the island

43:12

once got stranded again on the same

43:14

island, then got rescued again, or because...

43:16

Yeah, Harlem Globet was the third Gilegan's

43:18

Island TV movie. Yeah. There was one

43:21

where they got rescued, and at the

43:23

end of that TV movie, they got

43:25

stranded on the same island again. What

43:28

are the odds? Yeah, like 100% apparently.

43:30

Yeah, they made their way back to

43:32

the mainland. They weren't happy on the

43:34

mainland. Marianne was going to have an

43:37

unhappy marriage. He ended up getting the

43:39

insurance payment. They celebrated their return by

43:41

getting on the mid-02 and they hit

43:43

bad weather and landed on the same

43:46

island. I'm going to quote Enrico, Antoni,

43:48

and Galaxy Quest. Those poor people. They

43:50

went back on purpose. Well, the millet,

43:52

like they, they knew there was like

43:55

a tidal wave was coming and they

43:57

decided to just sail away in like

43:59

their houses. Like they built a raft.

44:01

It's like, it's not gonna save us,

44:04

but it's safer than the island. Okay.

44:06

And in, so, and then they, but

44:08

then they washed back and they got

44:10

in a plane? Like there was something,

44:13

there's something with a plane. And the

44:15

important house built a resort and the

44:17

Harlem Globet rotters were there and they

44:20

were there and they played basketball against

44:22

robots. That's right. Well, the second one,

44:24

that's when they built the resort on

44:26

the island. I think in the third

44:29

one, the resort is there, and the

44:31

resort is there, yeah. It's really a

44:33

Harlem Globe Charter, so more than a

44:35

Gilligan's Island, and all. Let's see, after

44:38

being rescued from the island once, got

44:40

stranded again, out of the same island,

44:42

then got rescued again, Mr. Howell bought

44:44

the island, opened the resort, and the

44:47

employees, quote, the rest, of the rest

44:49

of the island crew, of the island

44:51

crew, and then of the island crew,

44:53

crew, crew, crew, crew, and then, and

44:56

then, crew, crew, and the mad, crew,

44:58

crew, crew, and the mad, crew, crew,

45:00

crew, and the mad, crew, crew, crew,

45:02

crew, show, show, show, show, show, show,

45:05

show, show, and then, show, show, show,

45:07

show, show, and then, and then, and

45:09

then, and then, and then, and then

45:12

who has a team of robots. That

45:14

was Martin Landau? Yeah, so Martin Landau.

45:16

Fuck! I did not remember that at

45:18

all. And the robots play basketball against

45:21

the Globetrawners, that's the plot of the

45:23

movie. Like you do. Just because there

45:25

is a cartoon series that shares aspects

45:27

of the characters of the live series,

45:30

it's not automatically considered canon. I cite

45:32

the precedent of 1976's Roddenberry versus Filmatian

45:34

where it was allowed for the live

45:36

series to pick and choose what in

45:39

the animated series of Star Trek was

45:41

canonical. Okay. All right. Furthermore in the

45:43

animated series the character of Ginger Grant

45:45

has Platinum Blonde hair unassailable proof that

45:48

she is a Ginger Grant variant. Okay.

45:50

I rest my case. Oh, I will

45:52

say this right now. Do you think

45:55

that no one in Hollywood dies their

45:57

hair? She's been without hair dyed for

45:59

how long? You know what the sunlight.

46:01

does to hairdi on that distant planet

46:04

and could have bleached it? Technically, they

46:06

changed her hair color for the Gilegan's

46:08

Island TV series, the animated TV series,

46:10

before Gilegan's planet, because the original actor

46:13

who played Jim, George, was a name

46:15

again? Teen Louise. Teen Louise. I almost

46:17

said Don Wells and he was wrong.

46:19

Don Wells was Marian. Exactly. Tina Louise

46:22

couldn't do the show or wasn't available.

46:24

She didn't want to do it. I

46:26

didn't want to. And in order to

46:28

make sure that they didn't like use

46:31

her likeness and get into lawsuit territory,

46:33

they changed her hair. And again, through

46:35

on a deserted island, I realized they

46:37

brought a lot of stuff for a

46:40

three hour tour. I bet she only

46:42

brought so much hair dyed. And that,

46:44

so I think that one, I think

46:47

that one I can get a no

46:49

prize on. All right. Okay, now for

46:51

fun. recast Gilling Island with Star Trek

46:53

characters, but they can't be the main

46:56

cast members, recurring characters and guest stars.

46:58

Oh my God! For expert players, stick

47:00

to only one series. If you get

47:02

stuck, you can pull from the cast

47:05

movie characters. Can't wait to hear your

47:07

lists and rationale for each, as always,

47:09

your faithful servant, Murray Universary Mud. Okay,

47:11

I love that prompt. We're going to

47:14

get to that in a second. I

47:16

will say this. Regarding, regarding whether or

47:18

not, Gilegan's planet is canon, this is

47:20

our job. By the way, this is

47:23

what we do. We're very lucky. This

47:25

we get to talk about Gilligan's Planet.

47:27

I am of the opinion, and there

47:30

are different schools of thought on this,

47:32

that when it comes to a franchise

47:34

or a series or or it spin-offs

47:36

or whatever, whether or not it is

47:39

currently considered canon is irrelevant if it

47:41

is official accounts. It may not, because

47:43

again, you know, not all the James

47:45

Bond films were canon while Daniel Craig

47:48

was James Bond, right? They rebooted it.

47:50

Are you going to tell me the

47:52

Spy Who Loved Me isn't a real

47:54

bond film anymore? Because I'm not, that's

47:57

not canon? No, it's part of the

47:59

history. And I think that's what, I

48:01

think that matters. A big part of

48:03

what counts as canon has a lot

48:06

to do with corporate ownership. Yeah, especially

48:08

in the case of James Bond. Yeah,

48:10

I was just writing about, like, what's

48:12

the, what is the longest running film

48:15

series in cinema history? Ever are still

48:17

going today. Um, ever. Okay. Um, and

48:19

I found that there are 123 films

48:22

to feature the character, uh, Wang Faye

48:24

Hong, Wang Faye Hong, yeah, but, but

48:26

yeah, that one's tricky though. Wongfang was

48:28

a real guy. Wongfai Hung was a

48:31

real guy, kind of a, but also

48:33

kind of like turned into this folk

48:35

hero. So there's all these fictional versions

48:37

of this guy. Yeah. They're all played

48:40

by different actors. Jet Lee played him

48:42

in the 90s. Jackie Chan played him

48:44

in the 70s. Yeah. Donnie Ann played

48:46

his father and Iron monkey. Yeah. He

48:49

showed up, Sam Oh Hong played him.

48:51

in that horrible American version of around

48:53

the world in 80 days. Oh, did

48:55

he really? Like it showed up in

48:58

like one scene. But but but that

49:00

but here's the things, you said he's

49:02

up, Wong Vai Hong is a real

49:05

guy. No one had the rights to

49:07

Wong. Yeah, so whether or not that

49:09

counts as a single series, can't say

49:11

because that's not one studio, it's not

49:14

one corporate overlord. It's the same thing

49:16

with the the Django movies where the

49:18

original film Django starring Frank O'ero. credit

49:20

sequences, a cowboy walking into town in

49:23

the pouring rain while lugging a coffin

49:25

behind his back. Great, fucking image. Awesome

49:27

song. Jango! Will you never? Like, oh,

49:29

it's so good. But I don't know

49:32

if they never copyrighted it or what,

49:34

but anyone in Italy could just make

49:36

a film and call it Jango. So

49:38

that movie made was so popular printed

49:41

money that there was just there's like

49:43

dozens of movies that just happened to

49:45

be called Jango. That's why we have

49:47

Jango unchained. So yeah, a lot of

49:50

this stuff is kind of fudgy. But

49:52

when it comes... Oh, I'll say this.

49:54

For Wang Fay Hong, the actor, the

49:57

Hong Kong actor, Kuan Tukhing, yeah, played

49:59

the same character in the same continuity.

50:01

77 times. Right. Wasn't this in like

50:03

the 30s or 40s? It started in

50:06

the 40s and lasted through the 80s.

50:08

Actually overlapped with other versions of Wong

50:10

Fehang. So I think those 70s. 7

50:12

still counts as a big canonical chunk

50:15

with each other because it's all the

50:17

same actor. I would argue that definitely

50:19

yes, but we ran into this thing

50:21

though where it's like, is it a

50:24

cinematic universe if all the characters interconnected?

50:26

Every movie based on a true story

50:28

takes place in the same universe as

50:30

every other movie based on a true

50:33

story. Amadeus is in the same cinematic

50:35

universe as Gandhi. But I found that

50:37

the longest series of, like, cononically connected,

50:40

even if they're rebooting within the series

50:42

like James Bond or Godzilla, is actually

50:44

common writer, the Tokusatsu, because if you

50:46

take all of the episodes they released

50:49

theatrically, all of the shorts they even

50:51

released theatrically, and some of the newer

50:53

movies, again, they don't all share continuity

50:55

necessarily, but they're all based on time,

50:58

right, very specifically. I think it's toe.

51:00

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm

51:02

not actually sure. But they're all one

51:04

company. They're all one company. Yeah, 90

51:07

films. Yeah, it's quite a few. That's

51:09

a fair number. I think that's the

51:11

biggest canonical series of movies in history.

51:13

Whitney, are you telling us we have

51:16

to make that podcast? No. I don't

51:18

want to do the common writer podcast.

51:20

I'm not interested enough in common writer.

51:22

I love Tokusatsu stuff. I love Godzilla,

51:25

but I'm common writer has never really

51:27

helped my end. It's fine. It's fine.

51:29

Where are we going with this? So

51:32

yeah, so my point is this, we

51:34

can have different opinions on canon. Corporations

51:36

get to have their opinion on canon

51:38

because they have a financial stink in

51:41

it. Yeah. But when it comes to

51:43

the rest of us, as far as

51:45

I'm concerned, it's all real. People will

51:47

say like, when the people say like,

51:50

hey, what are your favorite James Bond

51:52

movies? Yeah. But when it comes to

51:54

the rest of us, as far as

51:56

I'm concerned, it's all, it's not a

51:59

real, All the Sean Connery ones? No,

52:01

not explicitly, but I don't care. that's

52:03

not relevant. I'm talking about the history

52:05

of the thing I think it all

52:08

matters. So regardless of whether that animated

52:10

series is canon, it is an official

52:12

Gilegan's Island and it did have most

52:15

of the cast. Yeah. And it was

52:17

the last time most of the cast

52:19

was there I played this parts. Now

52:21

what I thought the argument they were

52:24

going to make was was that If

52:26

you look at the timeline, the only

52:28

way Gilligan's planet makes sense is if

52:30

it takes place before the live-action movies.

52:33

Because they have to get back to

52:35

Earth, land on the island again. So

52:37

chronologically within the narrative, Harlem Globetrotters would

52:39

be the last one. I would give

52:42

you that. I think that would be

52:44

a better... I think that's an argument

52:46

they would convince anybody, at least within

52:48

the context, provided. And we did mention

52:51

in our Gilligan planet episode that... some

52:53

of the characters showed up as their

52:55

Gilegan's Island characters in other shows just

52:57

sort of as guest spots. I think

53:00

the latest one I saw was an

53:02

episode of Alf, but they were like

53:04

part of a dream sequence. Alf became,

53:07

the Althe alien became obsessed with Gilegan's

53:09

Island, had a dream where he was

53:11

on Gilegan's Island, and uh... Bob Denver

53:13

Allen Hale and Russell Johnson were there

53:16

and nobody else showed up. Well, there

53:18

was the there was and I mentioned

53:20

this when we did the the show

53:22

There was a an episode of Baywatch

53:25

that was a small Gilegan's Island Yeah,

53:27

and that was just Bob Denver and

53:29

Don Wells for that long. Was it

53:31

just those two? It's just those two.

53:34

Yeah, it was Gilegan and Marianne so

53:36

but still it was it was Baywatch

53:38

finds this island off the coast of

53:40

California and they meet Gilligan and Marianne

53:43

there and they're in their outfits. It's

53:45

like, wait, you're Gilligan and Marianne from

53:47

the TV show? Yeah, I don't know

53:50

how you got the TV show, but

53:52

that's us. Yeah, and they made a

53:54

TV show about us? Yeah, how did

53:56

they make a TV show about us?

53:59

Yeah, how did they make a TV

54:01

show about us and get actors? from

54:03

Society. Yeah. It was the guy from

54:05

Society. And Erica Lenny Act. Dick Whirlock?

54:08

No, something Whirlock. Johnny Whirlock. Billy Whirlock.

54:10

Billy Whorlock. Billy Whorlock. Anyway, we need

54:12

to get to this prompt. This is

54:14

an awesome prompt. Okay. We are recasting

54:17

Gilligan's Island using Star Trek, but not,

54:19

this is the part that gets me,

54:21

not using the main cast, because for

54:23

me the most obvious casting for the

54:26

Skipper and Gilligan and Gilligan. That one

54:28

writes itself. We can't use quirk. You

54:30

can use wrong though. We can use

54:32

wrong. But let's say you fit so

54:35

well with quirk. Well, okay. So let's

54:37

let's break these characters a part a

54:39

little. First of all, I think a

54:42

professor would be easiest because we need

54:44

kind of a logical character who's a

54:46

supporting Vulcan we could have. Oh, I

54:48

was, you know, friendly enough, my first

54:51

thought was Professor Daystrom. Oh, there you

54:53

go. Professor Daystrom. Yeah, that be kind

54:55

of nice. For Marianne, we need sort

54:57

of, Marianne's function on the show was,

55:00

she was like kind of a gauge

55:02

for happiness on the island. I feel

55:04

like if Marianne was unhappy, things were

55:06

going bad. If Marianne was happy, life

55:09

on the island was okay. Also, functionally,

55:11

she was like an expert in agriculture.

55:13

Are you going to say Keko or

55:15

Brian? The botanist? Yeah, sure. That would

55:18

make sense. I mean, she was never

55:20

regular. Keko O'Brien was a little bit

55:22

more, like she had a little bit

55:25

more character, more depth, she was like

55:27

a feistier character. Well, I wouldn't complain

55:29

if Marian had more depth either. Yeah,

55:31

I guess so. Keko O'Brien. Okay, Keko

55:34

O'Brien can be Marian. Okay, now I

55:36

have, I don't know if I have

55:38

a Mr. Mr. Hal, but Mrs. Well,

55:40

who else has that kind of like,

55:43

distinguished flustery, a little bit cluelessness character

55:45

in Star Trek? To be Mr. Hal.

55:47

To be Mr. Hal. Because I first

55:49

thought is the Grand Negus. Like the,

55:52

the, uh... Oh, well, I guess, yeah,

55:54

well. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But,

55:56

um, I'm trying to think who else

55:58

would be... No, Grand Agis is good,

56:01

and I could... Okay. Although, Grand Agis

56:03

and Locks on Detroit wouldn't get along.

56:05

No, they were... No, that'd be a

56:07

marriage of convenience at best, although I

56:10

honestly don't know how much the Hells

56:12

actually love each other. I think they're

56:14

just the only people who can tolerate

56:17

each other. Sort of like this this

56:19

dark riff on Gilligan's Island. I think

56:21

that's what you're telling me about. Okay.

56:23

Yeah, that makes that's not actually part

56:26

of the show. Okay. No, the Grand

56:28

Negis is a good choice. Okay. Maybe

56:30

we can do better. But that's not

56:32

bad. Oh my god. Goldukat. Goldukat. Goldukat.

56:35

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

56:37

That's not that's not correct. The Goldukat

56:39

would make no he would make. He's

56:41

not he's not he's not he's not

56:44

he's not he's not he's not he

56:46

doesn't he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't.

56:48

He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't Now

56:50

technically this person's in the main cache,

56:53

but I'm going to go at it

56:55

sideways. Mirror Universe Kira. Is Ginger? Yeah.

56:57

No, no. Garrick. Is Ginger. because she's

57:00

she's the actress right yes so he's

57:02

kind of kind of like he'd bring

57:04

like a lot of sinister qualities to

57:06

the Hillings Island but oh but we

57:09

can't have Bashir be the professor though

57:11

that would be so good yeah well

57:13

because ginger was so into the professor

57:15

the Marianne was with the professor thought

57:18

ginger was too no no no remember

57:20

they wrote okay I could have sworn

57:22

all right yeah Marianne and the professor

57:24

in fact um don't years later you

57:27

could hear Don Wells and Russell Johnson

57:29

in separate interviews talk about each other

57:31

They clearly had a crush on each

57:33

other. Like they were like so into

57:36

each other. It's like, but we were

57:38

both like even Don Wells, even in

57:40

her 90s, like it's like, oh yeah,

57:42

no, I totally had a crush on

57:45

Russell Johnson, but we were both married

57:47

at the time and just we didn't

57:49

want to do anything about it. Like

57:52

Dorothy Parker and Robert Benchley. It's like

57:54

we meant to be together, but it

57:56

didn't work. Yeah, we just we missed

57:58

each other. but yeah she said we

58:01

had a regard yeah they think they

58:03

big dog each other so hard.

58:05

All right. So we've got Professor

58:07

Days from the original series and

58:09

for the professor, we've got, uh,

58:11

Gerrick from Deep Space Nine for

58:14

Ginger, got Keko O'Brien from Marianne,

58:16

we have Luxana Troy for Mrs.

58:18

Howl, still not entirely sold on

58:20

Grand Negus for Mr. Howl, and

58:22

we've got, are we going with

58:24

Rom for, this is all very

58:26

Deep Space Nine so far, right

58:28

now. Rom is, Rom is the

58:30

obvious. Gelligan though. Oh, um, not

58:33

Harry Mud. Who is, uh, no, no. I was thinking

58:35

like the guy who's actually

58:37

sold the Tribles and the trouble

58:39

with Tribles. Oh, as the skipper?

58:41

No, as Mr. Howl. Oh, no.

58:43

No. He doesn't have enough personalities.

58:46

A little bit too much of

58:48

a scound roll. Yeah. Oh, you know

58:50

who? Okay, this is obscure. Hmm. Remember

58:52

the episode of Next Generation.

58:54

We reviewed a couple of

58:57

Next Generation. A bunch of people

58:59

unfrows from like the 21st century.

59:01

Oh, yeah, yeah. And there was

59:03

that one rich guy who didn't

59:05

understand why money wasn't a thing

59:07

anymore. That guy. That guy. That

59:09

guy. That's a good. That's obscure

59:11

and weird, but by God. Hmm. So

59:13

all we're missing now is... Skip her. Go

59:16

again and Skip her. Well or do Iran

59:18

is the obvious choice but again I'm

59:20

open I'm open to other ideas now

59:22

the problem is the skipper is a

59:24

captain but we're not allowed to choose

59:26

captains yeah or at least main captains

59:29

we can use main captains and most

59:31

captains are seen and granted the skipper

59:33

wasn't like a bad seamen or anything

59:35

like that but he's also not a

59:37

great guy in a lot of

59:39

ways like Captain Jelico is clearly

59:42

where you go with the skipper

59:44

Ooh, I like that. Ronnie Cox

59:46

is Captain Jelica. Oh my god,

59:48

can you imagine Captain Jelica and

59:50

Rahm forced to share an apartment?

59:52

That is comedy gold! Where is

59:55

that comic strip? They're the original

59:57

odd couple! Jelico and Rahm! Oh

59:59

my god! There's this weird phenomenon

1:00:01

I've ever heard of my life.

1:00:03

There's this weird phenomenon I've discovered

1:00:05

online on like the social media.

1:00:07

People have just started taking like

1:00:09

dad jokes. Like really corny jokes.

1:00:12

And yeah, like cutting, like laying

1:00:14

them over stills of Captain Jelico.

1:00:16

And also finding like reaction shots

1:00:18

from the crew of them like

1:00:20

rolling their eyes. And it sells

1:00:22

like a dad joke. And then

1:00:24

somebody rolls their eyes. And then

1:00:26

there's the scene of the enterprise

1:00:28

flying away. Executive producer Rick Berman.

1:00:30

It's the weirdest fucking thing. That's

1:00:32

a weird thing, man. All right,

1:00:34

I feel bad that we didn't

1:00:37

use anyone from Voyager or Enterprise

1:00:39

or Discovery or Strange New World.

1:00:41

But that's what we got. We

1:00:43

said supporting characters and once you

1:00:45

got into like Enterprise, I don't

1:00:47

have like... Why it is deep-cut

1:00:49

knowledge of enterprise? I really don't

1:00:51

enterprise. Hardly at all, but I

1:00:53

could have done like the more

1:00:55

modern show. I mean, lower decks

1:00:57

has probably, oh God, um... I'm

1:01:00

trying to, oh, there's got to

1:01:02

be someone on lower decks who'd

1:01:04

be perfect for something. I mean

1:01:06

Boimler is clearly Gilligan anyway, but

1:01:08

he's one of the main characters.

1:01:10

He can't do it. He's one

1:01:12

of the main characters. It doesn't.

1:01:14

It doesn't. Anyway, okay, if anyone

1:01:16

else has better ideas, please email

1:01:18

us or email addresses letters at

1:01:20

Critically Claim.net. We would love to

1:01:22

hear from it. Remember, the rule

1:01:25

is, it's got to be a

1:01:27

pre-existing Star Trek character, but it

1:01:29

can't be a member of the

1:01:31

regular cast. I will give you

1:01:33

if you want to use a

1:01:35

mirror universe version of somebody, like

1:01:37

that character isn't in the maincast,

1:01:39

I'll let you have that, but

1:01:41

you can't just say Spock. It's

1:01:43

got to be someone who was

1:01:45

in like a few episodes or

1:01:48

maybe recurring a little bit or

1:01:50

even had one episode. But that's

1:01:52

where you got, that's where we're

1:01:54

at, that's where we live. We

1:01:56

got a time for a couple

1:01:58

more, let's do more. All right.

1:02:00

Here is a letter from... I

1:02:02

had one up and closed it

1:02:04

down. Here is, here's a letter

1:02:06

from Blair. Hello, Blair the Bear

1:02:08

Gibson writes in, Good Morning Fine

1:02:10

Gentleman from the Frozen Tunder of

1:02:13

Saskatchewan, where it is currently negative

1:02:15

44 degrees. Wow. No. No. Is

1:02:17

that actually true? Stick your coffee

1:02:19

outside. You got some cold coffee

1:02:21

right here. Jesus. I've recently started

1:02:23

collecting movies soundtracks on vinyl, such

1:02:25

as Against All Odds, The Rocky

1:02:27

Horror Picture Show, hiding out, etc.

1:02:29

Mostly films from the 80s. Right.

1:02:31

My question to you, Cinephiles, is

1:02:33

what are your top five soundtrack

1:02:36

albums of all time that I

1:02:38

should look for on vinyl? And

1:02:40

why are they on your list?

1:02:42

Thank you in advance for your

1:02:44

answers. Blair the Bear Gibson. Okay,

1:02:46

first off, if you go back,

1:02:48

actually not too far for a

1:02:50

couple of years, we did do

1:02:52

an iron list where we picked

1:02:54

the best movie soundtracks of all

1:02:56

time. However, we did focus on

1:02:59

soundtracks that were compilations of songs

1:03:01

as opposed to musicals with all

1:03:03

original music and scores, so we

1:03:05

could do that another time, was

1:03:07

the idea, and we still might

1:03:09

do that. So we did some

1:03:11

of them there. Shock treatment. That's

1:03:13

the first thing that comes to

1:03:15

mind. It would be great to

1:03:17

have on vinyl. Shock treatment is

1:03:19

the sequel to the Rocky Horror

1:03:21

Picture Show that nobody talks about

1:03:24

much. And I... Rocky Horror fans

1:03:26

do, but yeah. Yeah, but like...

1:03:28

Non-Rockey horror fans know of Rocky

1:03:30

horror. A lot of them don't

1:03:32

know shock treatment exists or they

1:03:34

vaguely heard of it. Shock treatment

1:03:36

is, it's not a great movie.

1:03:38

They had a lot of production

1:03:40

woes. There was like a huge

1:03:42

strike and they had to change

1:03:44

a lot of the premise of

1:03:47

the movie in order to get

1:03:49

it made when they got it

1:03:51

made. It was a whole thing.

1:03:53

But I would argue that if

1:03:55

you put the two soundtracks, Rocky

1:03:57

horror and shock treatment side by

1:03:59

side, shock treatment is a better

1:04:01

soundtrack. At least in terms of

1:04:03

consistency. All right? Because yeah, the

1:04:05

time war, it's overplayed, but it's

1:04:07

still that good. Like no one's

1:04:09

pretending that it's not that good.

1:04:12

Every Shock Treatment song is a

1:04:14

banger. Even the one that's like

1:04:16

an evil shitty conservative dad song.

1:04:18

It's a memorable song. Like they're

1:04:20

all fucking good. I would kill

1:04:22

the good when Oscar drill on

1:04:24

the Bitz concert. There are a

1:04:26

lot of really great rock musicals

1:04:28

that are just fantastic. Just to

1:04:30

listen to, like at home on

1:04:32

vinyl, outside of the context of

1:04:35

a movie, Streets of Fire is

1:04:37

fantastic. I'm fond of the music

1:04:39

from the Apple. It's a weird

1:04:41

movie, but I like the music.

1:04:43

I think I made this my

1:04:45

number one, but I think it's

1:04:47

the best movie soundtrack ever. And

1:04:49

I also know that if you

1:04:51

put this soundtrack on, you will

1:04:53

have sex. Like it's just so

1:04:55

it just somehow happens. The soundtrack

1:04:58

is super fly. The original super

1:05:00

fly, not the remaining. Yeah. Is.

1:05:02

fucking brilliant wall-to-wall just absolutely incredible

1:05:04

from being 10 I'm gonna I

1:05:06

don't know how old older movies

1:05:08

are though like on that iron

1:05:10

list I think I think I

1:05:12

think I listed Lost Highway I

1:05:14

think I listed natural-born killers I

1:05:16

think I listed hard days night

1:05:18

that's kind of these these are

1:05:20

kind of easy ones yeah more

1:05:23

recently I've been fascinated by a

1:05:25

couple companies like Mondo rec Mondo

1:05:27

vinyl vinyl yeah better inferno No.

1:05:29

Everyone's has a spirit. You can't

1:05:31

throw out a spirit, right? But

1:05:33

yeah, Inferno is fucking amazing. And

1:05:35

Deep Red is, I would argue

1:05:37

better than Suspiria, at least as

1:05:39

a score. I don't actually, maybe

1:05:41

even as a movie. Jason, somebody

1:05:43

out there. You plant those in

1:05:46

soil, you kind of get those

1:05:48

things to germinate throughout a generation,

1:05:50

and then you take them out

1:05:52

of the context of the movie.

1:05:54

All of a sudden you have

1:05:56

this really interesting window into musical

1:05:58

trends. and you start to appreciate

1:06:00

that sound again, just the way

1:06:02

that kind of music worked and

1:06:04

function. And of course I get

1:06:06

these traumatic flashbacks to actually watching

1:06:08

the movie Things. I also recently

1:06:11

got the soundtrack album for House,

1:06:13

the Nobuiko Obayashi movie. That's a

1:06:15

1977. That's got great music. Any

1:06:17

Goblin soundtrack, soundtrack, but I think

1:06:19

especially Deep Red or Inferno. Everyone's

1:06:21

has a spirit. You can't throw

1:06:23

out a spirit. But like yeah,

1:06:25

Inferno is fucking amazing. And Deep

1:06:27

Red is, I would argue better

1:06:29

than Suspiria, at least as a

1:06:31

score. Actually, maybe even as a

1:06:34

movie. But it's really fucking good.

1:06:36

And this one's nostalgic for me.

1:06:38

When I was growing up, I

1:06:40

didn't watch a lot of movies

1:06:42

as a young kid, but the

1:06:44

ones I did, I kind of

1:06:46

watched repeatedly, just because you had

1:06:48

the cassette in the house. And

1:06:50

I was very fond of The

1:06:52

Hobbit the 1977 version of the

1:06:54

Hobbit the animated Rankin Bass No,

1:06:56

no, you're 77 was uh Was

1:06:59

that Rankin Bass? Oh, I'm sorry.

1:07:01

Rankin Bass did the 77 I'm

1:07:03

sorry Rankin Bass did the 77

1:07:05

I got mixed up by the

1:07:07

year I was thinking about Bach's

1:07:09

but you said the Hobbit so

1:07:11

there's no Bassi did Lord of

1:07:13

the Rings but Rankin Bass did

1:07:15

the Hobbes that just me being

1:07:17

a goof. But that had a

1:07:19

soundtrack album I had a soundtrack

1:07:22

album I had a soundtrack album

1:07:24

I had it on vinyl we

1:07:26

had it on vinyl we had

1:07:28

it on vinyl we had records

1:07:30

when I had records when I

1:07:32

was growing up I was growing

1:07:34

up I'm that old and I'm

1:07:36

that old and recently found that

1:07:38

old record that I listened to

1:07:40

as a kid. And it was,

1:07:42

there's a theme song performed by,

1:07:45

oh, it's not America. I have

1:07:47

no idea. But there's this like

1:07:49

really lovely folk song that they

1:07:51

play on the soundtrack to The

1:07:53

Hobbit. The greatest adventure is what

1:07:55

lies ahead. Yeah. Oh, it was

1:07:57

Rankin Bastic. But so it has

1:07:59

like clips of that also has

1:08:01

like just musical samples from the

1:08:03

film, but mostly it's So I'm

1:08:05

hearing Orson Bean and John Houston

1:08:07

reading these lines. Yeah, because this

1:08:10

is before you could readily, there

1:08:12

might have been some home video

1:08:14

at that point in the 1970s,

1:08:16

but generally speaking, records were the

1:08:18

way people were able to take

1:08:20

the movie home with them. Glenn

1:08:22

Yarborough is the. So a lot

1:08:24

of records would have the songs,

1:08:26

but also a lot of clips

1:08:28

from the movie. We had an

1:08:30

old vinyl like Monty Python on

1:08:33

the Holy Grail. There's a lot

1:08:35

of the movie. It's just a

1:08:37

lot of the movies. That'd be

1:08:39

a fun thing to have as

1:08:41

well. There are certain, my parents

1:08:43

had a big vinyl collection, and

1:08:45

sadly, I don't know what happened

1:08:47

to a lot of it, but

1:08:49

there's certain movie soundtracks that I

1:08:51

think, you know, in Wayne's world,

1:08:53

where it's like you have random,

1:08:55

comes alive, like if you're living

1:08:58

suburbia, this is issued to you.

1:09:00

Yeah. Yeah, that's required. Like they'll

1:09:02

find you if that's not in

1:09:04

your house and you have a

1:09:06

record player. Like that's not okay.

1:09:08

So we definitely listen to that

1:09:10

thing over and over and over

1:09:12

again. The soundtrack to staying alive

1:09:14

would be cool. Staying alive. Yeah,

1:09:16

the sequel to starting a fever,

1:09:18

which everyone said sucks, but was

1:09:21

a blockbuster by the way. Made

1:09:23

a ton of money. And I

1:09:25

would actually argue it was not

1:09:27

bad. It's not a bad film.

1:09:29

The soundtrack I always wanted and

1:09:31

was never able to find. You're

1:09:33

going to laugh at me. I

1:09:35

will. It's for Joe's apartment. No,

1:09:37

actually I get that entirely. Joe's

1:09:39

apartment was the first feature film

1:09:41

put up by MTV Studios. It

1:09:43

had a pretty interesting pop soundtrack,

1:09:46

but more than anything, it was

1:09:48

a musical. It had singing cockroaches.

1:09:50

Yeah. And the singing cockroaches were,

1:09:52

at least some of them, were

1:09:54

played by Rockefeller. And I think

1:09:56

Rockefeller even arranged some of the

1:09:58

acopella numbers that the roaches sang.

1:10:00

The voices distorted distorted distorted. But

1:10:02

it's... Fun silly a cappella music

1:10:04

never put those songs out. I

1:10:06

was never able to get it.

1:10:09

I was able to pluck the

1:10:11

audio from like a video files

1:10:13

at some point. My thing is

1:10:15

this, I feel like there's a

1:10:17

lot of great older like older

1:10:19

movie soundtracks that we don't really

1:10:21

think about because in my experience

1:10:23

they weren't readily available on final

1:10:25

and not necessarily available on anything

1:10:27

else, something like the Avengers Robinhood

1:10:29

or the third man. The third

1:10:32

man you can I think you

1:10:34

can get at least the theme

1:10:36

song, which even had lyrics. Oh,

1:10:38

that Zither piece? Yeah, they wrote

1:10:40

lyrics to that, I think, so

1:10:42

they can eke some more money

1:10:44

out of it, because it was

1:10:46

really, really popular. A movie, which

1:10:48

I haven't revisited in decades, and

1:10:50

it seems like probably a kid

1:10:52

of worms, but the score to

1:10:54

Exodus was another one of the

1:10:57

premedry album. Yeah. Bum, bum, bum,

1:10:59

bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum,

1:11:01

yeah. That's a hell of a

1:11:03

score. That one definitely that definitely

1:11:05

comes to mind. Um, pretty much.

1:11:07

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, wait,

1:11:09

wait, wait, hold on. I got,

1:11:11

I got, I'm trying to remember

1:11:13

what it's called. Hang on. Um,

1:11:15

yeah, again, this is not a

1:11:17

top five. We're just no, we're

1:11:20

just thinking of that. But you

1:11:22

can't go on with any of

1:11:24

these. Hold on. Okay. This is,

1:11:26

this is not specifically a soundtrack,

1:11:28

but it is. a whole bunch

1:11:30

of covers of Ennio Mora Cone.

1:11:32

It's all by the great John

1:11:34

Zorn, The Big Gun Down. Huh.

1:11:36

That is an album of clips

1:11:38

of other soundtracks. And they are,

1:11:40

they fucking kill. Like he does

1:11:42

a great great job that, which

1:11:45

reminds me, also speaking of that

1:11:47

era, Danger Diabolic. That's a good

1:11:49

one too. That is a... Fuckin'

1:11:51

fresh soundtrack now. That's another one

1:11:53

where he just all of a

1:11:55

sudden, huh? I didn't know I

1:11:57

was having sex. I am somehow,

1:11:59

I just turned it out, like

1:12:01

it's really sexy sound nice. So

1:12:03

you're talking about like... these like

1:12:05

really sexy kind of hip soundtracks

1:12:08

talking about a cappella cockroaches. I

1:12:10

think we have very different taste

1:12:12

in music. Mine being the shittier

1:12:14

of the two. When I think

1:12:16

about playing final records, I think

1:12:18

of my dad playing final records

1:12:20

in his garage while he worked

1:12:22

on motorcycles or I think about

1:12:24

like madmen where we hell have

1:12:26

like a sunken bed in our

1:12:28

house and everything's covered and shagged

1:12:30

for some reason and we just

1:12:33

put on a record and then

1:12:35

everyone's wearing groovey, you know, hair

1:12:37

dews and everyone's got a dry

1:12:39

martini in each hand they're double-fist

1:12:41

in it and it's just like

1:12:43

and sex is on right oh

1:12:45

you don't be a great one

1:12:47

to own on vinyl because it's

1:12:49

it's a bunch of great a

1:12:51

bunch of great songs but they're

1:12:53

not the ones everyone always listens

1:12:56

to would be not the musical

1:12:58

the original soundtrack to hair spray

1:13:00

oh the that'd be adorable that'd

1:13:02

be a great one to own

1:13:04

yeah the the John Waters hell

1:13:06

yeah yeah yeah yeah I think

1:13:08

that's... I think that's good. Okay,

1:13:10

I... Did you want to do

1:13:12

one more? Or one more? One

1:13:14

more? Why not? It's been a

1:13:16

while since we've done one, so

1:13:19

let's do one more. All right,

1:13:21

let's see here. This one comes

1:13:23

from Brad. Hi, Brad. Hello, Brad.

1:13:25

Greetings, Bives and Whitney. I wasn't

1:13:27

planning on writing another letter so

1:13:29

soon since my last letter. Thank

1:13:31

you for recommendations for Japanese films.

1:13:33

When talking about the new release

1:13:35

Heart Eyes, William talked about Jordana

1:13:37

Brewster and our character's name is

1:13:39

a reference to the Fast and

1:13:41

the Furious movies, and they take

1:13:44

the time to point out the

1:13:46

joke. He postulated that under Last

1:13:48

Action Hero Rules, the universe of

1:13:50

the film series, for the universe

1:13:52

of a film, must have a

1:13:54

different actress that must have played

1:13:56

Jordana Brewster role in the Fast

1:13:58

and Furious movie. within the universe

1:14:00

of hard eyes. That was my

1:14:02

argument. And he claimed that he

1:14:04

believed it would be Emmy Rossum.

1:14:07

Unfortunately, William, there's simply no way

1:14:09

she would have been cast due

1:14:11

to her age. Jordana Brewster is

1:14:13

20 years old at the time.

1:14:15

Emmy Rosson was born in 1986,

1:14:17

which would have made her 14

1:14:19

in the years 2000 when they

1:14:21

would have been casting in felony.

1:14:23

Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough.

1:14:25

Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough.

1:14:27

Fair enough. Fair enough. That would

1:14:29

have been wrong. Yeah. However, I've

1:14:32

come up with a short list

1:14:34

of possible. be cast including Zoe

1:14:36

Deshenel. Have a double picturing her

1:14:38

as Vindeasil's sister, but okay. Christine

1:14:40

O'Rici. Delastration, Michelle Williams. Okay, also

1:14:42

strange. This one might work, Eliza

1:14:44

DeShkoo. Maybe. I feel like she

1:14:46

has the right attitude for the

1:14:48

Fast & Furious movies. Yeah. That's

1:14:50

for sure. Like Zoe Deshenel, I

1:14:52

don't see her as like somebody.

1:14:55

Boosting TVD players. No, it's really

1:14:57

hard to that's not her vibe.

1:14:59

And here's an actress I don't

1:15:01

know Sarah Shahi do you know

1:15:03

Sarah Shahi Oh Yeah, that's a

1:15:05

maybe actress is born in 79

1:15:07

that could have fit the role

1:15:09

Jennifer love Hewitt More in a

1:15:11

baccarin I could see her in

1:15:13

a back Rosamund pike Again, she

1:15:15

has the right vibe. She has

1:15:18

the right vibe. So you have

1:15:20

to kind of believe that she's

1:15:22

Vin Diesel's actual sister and I

1:15:24

think that one's straight. And Roseburn.

1:15:26

Roseburn's pretty pliable, but I don't

1:15:28

know. Katie Holmes and DeMell and

1:15:30

Ackerman were born in 1978. Live

1:15:32

Tyler, Jamie Presley, Daniel Harris, and

1:15:34

Maggie Jillenhall were born in 77.

1:15:36

I just want to see Jamie

1:15:38

Presley in the Fast and Furious

1:15:40

universe because she was already in

1:15:43

torque. Yeah, she already kind of

1:15:45

is, sort of, concerned. Yeah. Personally,

1:15:47

my vote goes to Morena Baccarin.

1:15:49

I think that's the one that

1:15:51

makes most sense. But who do

1:15:53

you think if it's the bill

1:15:55

in this alternate universe? Also, since

1:15:57

Devin Sawa is also a character...

1:15:59

in this universe, it stands to

1:16:01

reason that a different actor was

1:16:03

cast in final destination. Of course.

1:16:06

My pick for that, Paul Walker.

1:16:08

That works. Yeah. Thanks for indulging

1:16:10

me, Brad. Yeah, the real question

1:16:12

is. Who played those

1:16:14

characters in heart eyes in the heart

1:16:16

eyes universe? Are you saying heart eyes

1:16:18

is a movie in the heart eyes?

1:16:20

Well, what else did Josh Ruben direct

1:16:22

that year in the heart eyes? You

1:16:24

had to do something. He's in the

1:16:26

movie. He's got like a cameo in

1:16:28

the movie theater scene. It's like getting

1:16:30

out of his car saying something like,

1:16:32

oh, fuck or whatever. Yeah, we'll never

1:16:34

get around it. Yeah, I don't know.

1:16:36

You're absolutely right. Emmy Ross would be

1:16:38

the wrong age for it. I just

1:16:40

I think I just leaned into it

1:16:42

because I knew she became pretty famous

1:16:44

shortly afterwards just a few years later

1:16:46

with the phantom of the opera I

1:16:48

think she'd been in a couple things

1:16:50

before that, but that was like a

1:16:52

big lead role break But they were

1:16:54

both on as what I literally did

1:16:56

was I looked at a list and

1:16:58

I knew some of them But I

1:17:00

would want to make sure I got

1:17:02

the age range right I looked at

1:17:04

a list of every like famous actor

1:17:06

who came out as the world turns

1:17:08

That's I started there. I just I

1:17:10

wanted that to work. I wanted that

1:17:12

to be the connection I still remember

1:17:14

when Jordan and Brewster left as the

1:17:16

world turns they decided that Her

1:17:19

character was going to go off to

1:17:21

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1:17:23

whatever college Natalie Portman went to I

1:17:26

think was like Yale or one of

1:17:28

the one of the Ivy leagues, okay,

1:17:30

and She her character was talking about

1:17:32

yes, I just want to go and

1:17:34

get in a study group with Natalie

1:17:37

Portman Okay, like Natalie Portman specifically, yeah,

1:17:39

she was a famous young actor. All

1:17:41

right, speaking to great young actors. Oh,

1:17:43

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