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Lovell Marhatum, controversial social media
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influencer Andrew Tate brings up
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some interesting concepts in this
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video he posted on X
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recently with the caption The
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Downside of Bitcoin imposed the question
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can any Bitcoin Maxies argue
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against this? Check it out. I've so much Bitcoin
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on it. I just like to observe
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the downside because we talk about countries
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making Bitcoin a national reserve we
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talk about it overtaking gold and
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all these fantastic things and I agree
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with all of it My question, and this
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is a genuine question, I'm not giving
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you the answer, I'm actually asking, what
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happens to the economy once everybody
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realizes there is only one investment
0:37
worth making on the planet? And basically
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throughout the video, he makes a
0:42
case for people being more incentivized to
0:44
simply buy and hold Bitcoin, then
0:46
work, produce, build, create, or develop
0:48
anything in the economy like useful products,
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services, infrastructure, food, houses, etc. Hello,
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I'm Kipto Casey, and in this video
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we are going to explore Andrew
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Tate's question to Bitcoin maximalists about the
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potential downside of Bitcoin on the global
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economy and some great responses he received
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Andrew Tate posted his video, there were
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a ton of great responses that will
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deepen our understanding of Bitcoin and give
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us some great insights we can share
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with our friends and family to spread
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awareness about the implications of the crypto
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industry on the world at large. One
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response was from the author of the
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Bitcoin Standard, Safedine Amos, and the other
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one from an ex user that goes
2:26
by the name of Stackholder. I definitely
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amazing Bitcoin and crypto content. All right,
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we are going to watch about a
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six-minute condensed version of Andrew Tate's 11-minute
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video to understand his standpoint when considering
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the potential downside of Bitcoin, and then
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we will go through Amusses and Stack
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Holder's responses. And the problem we currently
2:44
have with this Bitcoin cycle is that
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nothing can outper Bitcoin, which sounds great,
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but I'm starting to sense. A genuine
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breakdown in capitalism. I'm being serious here,
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gentlemen. People submit me to this idea
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all the time. I'm making this video
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because 48 minutes ago, I was sent
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a business proposal by a very good
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friend of mine. A man I've done
3:02
business with many times before. He's German.
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He's extremely competent. He knows exactly what
3:06
he's doing. He's a hotelier. He wants
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me to invest $16 million into a
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hotel in Switzerland. And I've looked at
3:13
his whole proposal. And I've looked at
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his whole proposal proposal. Get this hotel,
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we have to find staff, we need
3:19
plates, cups, we've got to make sure
3:21
we're not getting ripped off on the
3:23
stakes, we've got to make sure he's
3:25
not feeding his friends for free, we've
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got to do all the licensing, we've
3:29
got to make sure there's a fire
3:31
extinguisher in every corner, we've got to
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get the hotel fitted out, we've got
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to advertise it, we've got to put
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people in it, then if I ever
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want to sell it, and then accidentally
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lose it and I'm done. I ain't
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gonna mess around, I got to sign
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her papers, I ain't gonna read German,
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couldn't talk and she got she knew
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what got and she got, she got
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wagging goggin, I'm fucking Bitcoin. And now
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I find myself, every time someone offers
3:55
me a business opportunity, and I have
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endless, commercial property, building warehouses, hotels, another
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cigar bar, another restaurant, another coffee shop,
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all these things I own, I'm like,
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I'll just buy more Bitcoin. But how
4:06
can capitalism function when everybody realizes this?
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Where's the investment? Who's going to build
4:10
anything? I don't even want cheap real
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estate anymore. I don't want your cheap
4:14
real estate. I don't want your business
4:16
ideas. All I want is Bitcoin. Now
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that's just me, I understand. But as
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the whole world realizes this, I'm asking
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you, people at home, how can things
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continue to function if everybody's just trying
4:26
to get Bitcoin and nobody's trying to
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invest in anything else? I'd rather just
4:30
buy Bitcoin. And I think everyone's basically
4:32
thinking the same now. The world's smartest
4:34
people, besides Elon, who's doing real stuff,
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aren't doing real things. They're hiding behind
4:38
cartoon avatars and getting little magic internet
4:40
coins on block chains. And nobody's building
4:42
anything. Nobody's investing anything. Nobody with capital
4:45
is interested in doing anything else. I
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don't know the conclusion of this. However,
4:49
I identify from a personal perspective that
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to a degree capitalism must be broken.
4:53
I don't know how this is going
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to play out. As Bitcoin continues to
4:57
outperform everything forever. Everyone scrambles for Bitcoin.
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Bitcoin owners get monumentally wealthy. That's fine.
5:01
Most Bitcoin owners never want to sell
5:03
it because it's deflationary. The only thing
5:05
worse for an economy than inflation. But
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I said to you that Ferrari will
5:09
be worth you could buy that Ferrari
5:11
for half the price next year You'd
5:13
wait and then when that year rolls
5:15
around to say wait another year you
5:17
get it for half the price you
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wait again money stops moving with deflation
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Deflation will crash an economy quicker than
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inflation So how does the economy continue
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to function? How do things continue to
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get built? How do investments continue to
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happen as the world wakes up and
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realizes that Bitcoin's the best investment? Because
5:34
it is it is better than everything
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else for a Ask Michael Saylor, he'll
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explain it in some fantastic way, he'll
5:40
use dungeons and dragons. I ain't got
5:42
time, I'm just telling you it's the
5:44
best, because I can instantly liquidate it.
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I buy that hotel... Gunntenfaggen, Suptenfaggen, brah.
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I've got to do. So the downside
5:50
of Bitcoin is I think it's going
5:52
to genuinely stop the economy if it
5:54
continues on this run. What's the solution
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to this? Well, I don't know if
5:58
it can be sought. How do we
6:00
plan for these things? Game theory would
6:02
argue that you should just get as
6:04
much Bitcoin as possible with me on
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the right side of history. That's fine.
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I want all of it. I want
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hotels, I want jescos, I want pugades,
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I want jet, I want a yacht,
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I want Bitcoin, I want everything. So
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somebody needs to give Stefan Strauss, Mr.
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Germany, this 16 mil. But I ain't
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going to do it. Are you? I'm
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just like to observe the downside because
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we talk about countries making Bitcoin a
6:27
national reserve, we talk about it overtaking
6:29
gold and all these fantastic things. And
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I agree with all of it. My
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question, and this is a genuine question,
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I'm not giving you the answer, I'm
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actually asking, what happens to the economy
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once everybody realizes there is only one
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investment worth making on the planet? Sweet.
6:43
So now we understand where Andrew Tay
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is coming from and the inspiration behind
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his concerns about the potential downsides of
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Bitcoin on the global economy and society
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at large. Next, we are going to
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let Safadina Moose have the floor. Here
6:55
was his written response to Andrew Tate's
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video post. Bitcoin is a better investment
6:59
than Swiss hotels or restaurants or car
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factories because Bitcoin is offering a far
7:03
more valuable product to the world. A
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replacement for central banks. Since central banks
7:08
are the absolute worst, most criminal and
7:10
most destructive thing on earth, there's an
7:12
enormous market reward for anyone that can
7:14
offer people an alternative. When you buy
7:16
Bitcoin, you are growing the Bitcoin pool
7:18
of liquidity and offering people a money
7:20
better than central bank slavery. You're making
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Bitcoin better and the market rewards you
7:24
for your investment. The world needs a
7:26
central bank replacement a lot more than
7:28
Switzerland needs another hotel. But this is
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a transitory phase that cannot last forever.
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Bitcoin can't keep replacing central banks forever.
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Eventually, it replaces them all, and when
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they and all of their shite coins
7:38
are dead, Bitcoin won't be making enormous
7:40
returns anymore. It only makes enormous return
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by eating other crappy forms of money,
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but when all the crappy monies die,
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Bitcoin only grows in value as the
7:48
production of other goods and increases. It
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will only appreciate at 1 to 5%
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per year in terms of most goods
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and services. At that point, Swiss hotels
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become attractive again. Deflation is not a
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bad thing, and this is the biggest
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and most criminal scyop ever perpetuated on
8:03
humanity, because everything evil is downstream from
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government inflation. And this is the justification
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for inflation. Deflation is just another word
8:09
for economic growth. It is completely normal
8:11
and good that things become cheaper over
8:13
time. That's why we work. Work produces
8:15
things and when things become more abundant,
8:17
they become cheaper. The market chooses the
8:19
money that is the hardest to make
8:21
precisely because the limit on supply growth
8:23
makes it depreciate the least. The natural
8:25
order is that everything gets cheaper. This
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does not mean that nobody would be
8:29
consuming or investing. People do not consume
8:31
just because they expect their money to
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depreciate. They consume to survive and to
8:35
enjoy life. It doesn't matter how much
8:37
cheaper you expect food, clothing, or shelter
8:39
will be next year. You want these
8:41
things today and will pay for them
8:44
today to use them today. Everyone knows
8:46
their laptop and phone will be significantly
8:48
cheaper next year, and yet they all
8:50
buy it. It's true that appreciating money
8:52
will make you less likely to spend
8:54
money on frivolous BS you don't need.
8:56
And that's a good thing. Debt-fueled mass
8:58
consumption is a moral disaster for humanity,
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and Bitcoin can't kill it soon enough.
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The world doesn't need you to waste
9:04
money on stupid BS. And people don't
9:06
just invest because they expect money to
9:08
depreciate. They invest because productive activity produces
9:10
a surplus over holding money. And the
9:12
key thing to remember is that money
9:14
would not appreciate if people weren't investing
9:16
in producing. So it's impossible to imagine
9:18
a scenario where nobody invests, but money
9:20
appreciates. And some, deflation is great. And
9:22
it's the absolute best thing about the
9:24
coin. Coin being deflationary makes it the
9:26
best investment opportunity in the world for
9:28
as long as central banks exist. You
9:30
are being perfectly rational to not want
9:33
to invest in things that aren't as
9:35
productive, morally imperative, and important as ending
9:37
central banks. There will be plenty of
9:39
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9:41
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11:37
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11:39
Bitcoin, you're forced to invest in a
11:41
bunch of random stuff to grow your
11:43
purchasing power. Hotels, homes, speculative startups, etc.
11:45
Sure, you know a bunch of it
11:47
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11:49
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11:51
that something hits and makes up for
11:53
the losses. That's capital misallocation. And it's
11:56
happening at scale. It inflates the price
11:58
of everything for everyone, including homes that
12:00
people need. So what happens when people
12:02
start stacking Bitcoin instead of dumping money
12:04
into real estate investments? The price of
12:06
homes that people actually need to live
12:08
in will fall. Prices are truth. They
12:10
are the market's way of telling you
12:12
the relative value themes. So if your
12:14
buddy can't get anyone to dump $16
12:16
million into a hotel, that means he's
12:18
holding the bag. He, or the bank
12:20
that owns the hotel, needs to re-value
12:22
the hotel much lower to whatever the
12:24
clearing prices. That's what happens when you
12:26
play around with 20th century stores of
12:28
value. at the dawn of Bitcoin. Asset
12:30
holders need to adapt or die. The
12:32
price of real estate will continue to
12:34
fall relative to Bitcoin because it's a
12:36
terrible store of value compared to Bitcoin.
12:38
Insurance costs, property tax, maintenance costs, tenant
12:40
headaches, natural disaster risks, pandemic risks, etc.
12:43
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12:45
point, Bitcoin returns slow down when it's
12:47
properly priced closer to about $10 million
12:49
a coin in today's terms. And then
12:51
it may make sense to buy equity
12:53
in businesses that can offer cash flow
12:55
or rapid growth opportunities. But it's important
12:57
to remember, people won't stop consuming just
12:59
because they have Bitcoin. When someone has
13:01
surplus wealth, they eventually value time, experiences
13:03
material comfort more than incremental wealth. Or
13:05
they may want to fund entrepreneurs for
13:07
excitement, challenge, challenge, impact. And so Bitcoin
13:09
will incentivize people to save and carefully
13:11
allocate capital, but once they have enough,
13:13
they will still trade some of their
13:15
Bitcoin for goods and services. One last
13:17
thing, you said deflation is a bad
13:19
thing? Deflation is coming no matter what.
13:21
When AI and robots are doing 90%
13:23
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13:25
they can do things way faster and
13:27
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13:29
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13:32
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13:34
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13:36
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13:38
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13:40
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13:42
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13:44
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13:46
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13:48
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13:50
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13:52
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13:54
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13:56
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13:58
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14:00
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