Rick Howard, the CSO, Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at N2K Cyber, formerly the CyberWire, discusses how to use the cybersecurity first principle strategy of zero trust with commercial applications and in-house software development. Chris Niggel, Okta Field CSO, joins him for the discussion.Howard, R., Bittner, D., 2023. What is data centric security and why should anyone care? [Podcast]. The CyberWire. URL https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/cyberwire-x/46/notes.Howard, R., 2020. Your security stack is moving: SASE is coming. [Podcast]. The CyberWire. URL https://thecyberwire.com/podcasts/cso-perspectives/1/notesLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices