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Hey everybody, this is Armada

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Torres, and you're listening to the

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show before the show. And I'm

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Paige Wesley. And with us we have.

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Old tablets. Oh, and they go

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crazy style. Crazy style. Full bug

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mode. All of these will make

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sense momentarily. Hey, we're back. We

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did it. We're back. We're back,

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we survived, we're so sorry that we

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left you alone, but we did leave

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the door unlocked and we left you

0:26

some mac and cheese, so don't be

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so me. We left you in the

0:31

podcast equivalent of the car, but don't

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worry, you had other episodes of other

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shows you like playing. We cracked the

0:38

windows. Yeah, it was fine. Hey, we've

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got a great episode for you today,

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but before we get into that, you

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should come see us at Panic Fest.

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Panic! Panic! We will be doing a

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show live on March 29th at 7

0:52

p.m. That is separate from panic fest

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actual fest tickets Which means that you

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don't need a festival pass to come

0:58

see us You just need to buy

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a ticket But although the flipside is

1:02

also true if you have a festival

1:04

pass you will you buy a ticket.

1:06

Yeah But I promise that it will

1:09

be worth your while you'll love it

1:11

You'll have a blast. It's always so

1:13

fun and you're gonna want to get

1:15

those tickets as soon as humanly possible

1:17

Yes, they will sell out. Yes, they

1:19

will they have as you mentioned for the

1:21

last like four years, which is a fucking

1:24

crazy like sentiment Paige, you have stuff coming

1:26

up, right? I do. So on the 14th

1:28

of March, if you are in Austin,

1:31

I will be hanging out at Flutter.

1:33

It's your new romance bookstore. Come see

1:35

me there at 2 p.m. I'll be

1:37

buying dirty books, talking about dirty books,

1:40

just generally having a good old-fashioned dirty

1:42

time. The 16th, that same weekend at

1:44

the Mothership Comedy Club in Austin, I

1:46

will be roast battling that night. And

1:49

then we will be back at panic

1:51

fest the following the following weekend. So

1:53

excited to see. Yes, it'll be

1:55

so fun also in April. I'll

1:58

be at a film festival there's

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Thank you for tuning into Cold

3:05

Podcast on Page Wesley. And I'm

3:07

Armando Torres. And with us we

3:09

have, absence making the heart grow

3:11

fonder! Ah, did you miss us?

3:13

Did you miss us? I'm so

3:15

sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm so

3:17

sorry. We've been very busy and

3:20

sick and traveling and all of

3:22

it and we'll talk about it.

3:24

I figured this is gonna be

3:26

like... Half catch-up and the other

3:28

half we'll talk about fucking hobby

3:30

lobby as I promised Holy shit,

3:32

I fucking forgot about that fuck.

3:35

Yeah, especially as Joe and is

3:37

dying now I feel extra bad

3:39

because now I'm gonna make people

3:41

people feel bad for shopping at

3:43

a lobby lobby Not my intention,

3:45

but go ahead. Yeah, dog. Hey,

3:47

what's up everybody? It's been it's

3:49

been a minute. It's been a

3:52

while page and I were talking

3:54

very briefly off camera microphone whatever

3:56

you want to call it. We

3:58

were talking we I realized the

4:00

other day that I haven't been

4:02

home in two months I haven't

4:04

been at my house in two

4:07

months same for you basically yeah

4:09

basically I've been home I think

4:11

six days in the last two

4:13

months And most of those days

4:15

were this week. Yep, yep, yep,

4:17

yep. I went to the Pacific

4:19

Northwest to do a bunch of

4:21

shows with some friends. And by

4:24

the way, four sold out shows,

4:26

incredible shows. Thank you to all

4:28

the cold podcast fans who came.

4:30

It was very funny. to me

4:32

to see because it was me

4:34

it was iffy wadi way it

4:36

was raft chesting and it was

4:38

Andrew roses and all four of

4:41

us we come from the internet

4:43

like gross monster beings we were

4:45

born and it raised in it

4:47

and then you can see Each

4:49

of our different fan bases visually,

4:51

like in the audience. Cold podcast

4:53

fans are visual. I tried to

4:56

describe this to Todd when he

4:58

came into our live show at

5:00

Los Angeles, and I was like,

5:02

hey man, these are different from

5:04

horror virgin fans, and it's pretty

5:06

fun. Not that horror virgin fans

5:08

are bad, but I'm like, this

5:10

is a whole different animal, and

5:13

it's exciting to see. Cole Podcasts

5:15

fans come in what I assume

5:17

are two different types which are

5:19

like sick ass punk rockers and

5:21

then like an HR department and

5:23

that's it. There are two people.

5:25

I'm gonna I'm gonna add a

5:27

third which is plus-sized witches. Oh

5:30

yeah. It's a wide swath. I

5:32

put those in HR department. Yeah, yeah,

5:35

yeah, yeah. I feel like witchcraft is

5:37

part of HR. Yeah, it's very funny.

5:39

And then you could see the boyfriend

5:42

material fans there too. They're the horny

5:44

folks. And they blend in real nice

5:46

with iffy's fans. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

5:49

I bet that's it. That is a

5:51

perfect circle instead of a diagram right

5:53

there. Yes. So it's just, you know,

5:56

it was so funny. Those shows were

5:58

incredible. Texas after that to go work

6:00

with the Creator Camp, which is a

6:03

group making short films with a bunch

6:05

of creators and we're premiering them. Hey,

6:07

guess what? Live in Austin, Texas on

6:10

April 26th, 27th, and 28th. There's a

6:12

film festival. I will be there and

6:14

you'll get to see all these films

6:17

that I helped write and helped work

6:19

on and these crazy visions that these

6:21

guys had because they are... Truly some

6:24

of the most out there ideas that

6:26

I've ever seen before and I mean

6:28

that That's not a bad thing. Yeah,

6:31

yeah, that's usually a good thing Yeah,

6:33

I'm really glad I was talking with

6:35

page that when I started my worst

6:38

fear was that I was going to

6:40

read 11 scripts that felt like film

6:42

school student scripts Yeah And thankfully that

6:45

is not the case. There's a lot

6:47

of them, including a comedy about a

6:49

D&D group that has to break into

6:52

a frat house. It fucking rocks. That

6:54

actually sounds fucking rat. Yep, I will

6:56

send you a screen. Because you're going

6:59

to love it. Yeah, I did that.

7:01

I was there for a little over

7:03

a month and then after that I

7:06

flew to Delaware. A state that I

7:08

have previously insisted isn't real and I'm

7:10

going to say this. Still not real?

7:13

Yeah, I'm not convinced. Not convinced. Truman

7:15

show, that kind of shit. I flew

7:17

into Philadelphia, we drove 20 minutes, not

7:20

once did I see a welcome to

7:22

Delaware sign, and then suddenly, suddenly I'm

7:24

just in another state, I don't believe

7:26

it. And then whenever I would look

7:29

around, I would go like, oh, what's

7:31

that? And then be like, that's Newark.

7:33

And I'm like, then what is Delaware?

7:36

Then what is Delaware? Doesn't exist, don't

7:38

believe it. I stayed in a house

7:40

older than America. It was definitely haunted

7:43

was it? Yep. Everyone's first exact thought

7:45

and truly it is super, super haunted.

7:47

And it's also like, it's haunted by

7:50

like, not even scary ghosts. I would

7:52

say like people would come up. to

7:54

us and be like, oh you guys

7:57

are staying in that house over there?

7:59

Did you see the little Dutch boy?

8:01

And it's like, oh come on, really?

8:04

The little Dutch boy? That's who's haunted

8:06

these alls? Sounds like he's here to

8:08

bring us ghost pastries. Yeah, he was

8:11

chill. He was like a cool guy.

8:13

I showed him fortnight. It blew his

8:15

fucking mind, dude. Did you give him

8:18

a girrino? I did joke a lot

8:20

while I was there that I might

8:22

be the only person to live in

8:25

that house that would scare the ghosts

8:27

back. There you go. What is one

8:29

of those? Oh, shit. Oh, Jesus. It

8:32

was very fun. I enjoyed it quite

8:34

a bit. I liked being there. And

8:36

then I came back to Los Angeles

8:39

for one night and one night only.

8:41

And then I went to San Diego

8:43

to work on another project. And now,

8:46

finally. I'm back. So that's two months

8:48

of my life. Gone. And all I

8:50

have to show for it is a

8:53

lifetime of memories, a series of pictures,

8:55

a bunch of films that I helped

8:57

make. I was gonna say, some short

9:00

films, yeah. Yeah, and memories of the

9:02

little Dutch boy. I cannot stress to

9:04

you enough how much I love that

9:07

guy. He's just super cool. His name's

9:09

Hans or something Dutch. Pictures of you

9:11

guys on like one of those slingshot

9:14

rides, you know, the ones that like

9:16

go up when people lose consciousness consciousness

9:18

because of the speed. Uh, that's great,

9:21

that's great. I appreciate it. I, I

9:23

similarly have been, have been gone for

9:25

two months. But it has been a

9:28

cross between day job travel, because I

9:30

still have one of those, it still

9:32

pays the bills, and I've had to

9:35

travel a lot for my day job.

9:37

But then also trying to sell a

9:39

TV show, and then also doing comedy

9:42

in the middle of it. So a

9:44

whole bunch of shit. happen. We have

9:46

like now a running joke on horror

9:49

virgin about something that happened to me

9:51

at a TV show event thing. Okay.

9:53

Here's what's funny. I can I'll tell

9:56

you more of this story off Mike

9:58

because you will know who this famous

10:00

person is and Todd has no idea

10:03

who it is even after I tried

10:05

to explain who it was he was

10:07

like I've never heard of this person

10:10

in my entire life but I was

10:12

at I was at an event talking

10:14

to a famous person and someone came

10:17

up and tried to hit on them

10:19

and they just turned to that person

10:21

and just went, oh you're still here?

10:24

And it was like, everyone I've told

10:26

has made the same noise. And it

10:28

has now become our running horror virgin

10:31

joke. And when I tell you who

10:33

it was after, you're gonna have a

10:35

good laugh. No one is guessed it

10:38

yet. There's like in the romancing the

10:40

pod group, people are like trying to

10:42

guess it and they're way off. One

10:45

person has gotten kind of close. That's

10:47

about it. Here's the thing, I'm gonna

10:49

blow your mind guys. It was John

10:52

Lovett. Oh, you're still here. Oh, I

10:54

would have died. I would have died.

10:56

That would have been hilarious. No, the

10:59

reason people are really excited and trying

11:01

to guess is because I leaked that

11:03

this person was in a Marvel thing.

11:06

I didn't clarify which one just ah

11:08

meant Marvel makes so much. Who knows

11:10

what it was? And yeah, and to

11:13

be fair, they were doing it because

11:15

they were trying to remain professional. Like

11:17

I know it's the coldest thing you've

11:20

ever heard said to a human, but

11:22

it was definitely to try and stay

11:24

professional. Uh, anyway. So I'm bringing you

11:27

up to speed on that. So if

11:29

at Panic Fest in two weeks, people

11:31

come up and say, oh, you're still

11:34

here. That's why. But that happened to

11:36

me like two weeks ago. I did

11:38

Bay Area Roast Fest this past week.

11:41

I saw. Fucking lit. It was so

11:43

great. So excited. I'm playing for the

11:45

Bay Area team this year. It is

11:48

incredible. I am also taping a special

11:50

at the end of April. So I

11:52

will put out more information. There's limited

11:55

tickets. It's, you know, already kind of

11:57

a thing, but like I will. put

12:00

information out if and when there are

12:02

tickets available for people to come see

12:04

it. And then for those of you

12:06

who are out of state or whatever,

12:08

when we eventually release it, I will

12:11

obviously let people know so they can

12:13

see that too. Hell yeah, dude. But

12:15

yeah, it's been busy. Yeah, I've seen

12:17

my husband for three days in a

12:19

row and that's the most I've seen

12:21

him in a row since January. So

12:24

yeah. Yeah. That's where we been at.

12:26

It was, I did the similar thing,

12:28

I was gone for about two months

12:30

and I didn't really see my partner

12:32

at all and then we went to

12:34

Delaware together and that was, I mean

12:37

look, you're like, I don't believe in

12:39

it, it's not here. We're not actually

12:41

here, this isn't real. If you're gonna

12:43

go anywhere to who... If you're gonna

12:45

go anywhere, I guess, to spend like

12:47

a relaxing, lovely weekend together, I guess

12:49

a place that predates the country is

12:52

a very romantic place to spend a

12:54

weekend. I mean it probably was for

12:56

the ghosts that were already there so

12:58

yeah, you're like the ghosts do right?

13:00

I mean it was awesome it was

13:02

cool because you got to I mean

13:05

like everything they do is authentic like

13:07

the restaurants fucking they sucked ass yeah

13:09

they were so authentic they were bad

13:11

got it got it got it got

13:13

it yeah I had the with some

13:15

of the worst fish and chips in

13:18

my life and I was like oh

13:20

man we should have never if we

13:22

should have never fought the Brits before

13:24

we got the Brits before we got

13:26

the recipe I feel like a British

13:28

house guest right now, who is, he

13:30

is the Barcelona champion for Rose Battle,

13:33

but he and I are fighting in

13:35

Austin like a couple weeks, but he

13:37

had to fight somebody in LA, so

13:39

he's been at my house, and I

13:41

earlier this week had to explain our

13:43

insurance system, and he was just like,

13:46

Jesus Christ, I was like, yeah, I

13:48

know, I don't, sorry. This is so

13:50

fucking, I had to explain football, the

13:52

concept of football to two Norwegians. And

13:54

I was like, constantly I was like,

13:56

okay, so football is basically like two

13:59

teams. are trying to score on each

14:01

other. One is on the offense, one

14:03

is on the defense. They're constantly running

14:05

place to try to like throw the

14:07

ball to like get the ball farther.

14:09

The other team's trying to stop. It's

14:12

very simple. And they're like, okay, I

14:14

get that. What are these two lines

14:16

of large men? And I was like,

14:18

oh yeah, those guys just fuck each

14:20

other up. They just fight. Yeah. But

14:22

kind of. Like wrestling. Yeah, yeah. Violent

14:24

complex people. You know, rugby. Imagine if

14:27

those people had no manners. And then

14:29

they got so mad and they were

14:31

like, but why do you call it

14:33

football where there's no feet? It was

14:35

like, well, we have a kicker and

14:37

also. Yeah, you kick. Yeah, like, you

14:40

run? It's like the size of a

14:42

foot. Here's the thing they got I

14:44

got asked this question by so many

14:46

people who aren't from this country Recently

14:48

that like to explain because I was

14:50

having a conversation about football that I

14:53

actually think I cracked it Hey, we

14:55

call it football because we measure the

14:57

field and feet come on. Oh shit

14:59

and it's distance based. Oh my god

15:01

that makes sense. Okay now let me

15:03

set you on another another one that

15:05

you can maybe solve for me why

15:08

in a plane is it called the

15:10

cockpit Because

15:13

that's so many pilots this I've

15:15

never gotten an answer because that's

15:17

where they store all the penis

15:19

That's where it goes. Yeah, they

15:22

all get no dials just balls

15:24

I don't I think it's because

15:26

that's where you trap the guy

15:28

or woman or person. I think

15:30

it's because that's where you trap

15:32

the person that's just going crazy

15:34

style on that stick trying to

15:36

get her somewhere. Yes. You've seen

15:38

No Svera. Yes. Can I tell

15:41

you that Jake and I've been

15:43

laughing about crazy style for weeks,

15:45

but laughing more about... Is it

15:47

the real of No Sforatu saying

15:49

it? No, but that yes, but

15:51

no. One step further. found a

15:53

meme of the tote face from

15:55

from last crusade not last crusade

15:57

raiders the lost art where the

15:59

face is melting and it just

16:02

says when when she when she

16:04

goes bug mode on it and

16:06

we have not stopped laughing for

16:08

months because we're like what's bug

16:10

mode like what the fuck but

16:12

yeah apparently it's face melting when

16:14

she go bug mode on it

16:16

Oh my god, yeah, I, uh,

16:18

similarly, I saw this thing two

16:21

days ago of a guy doing

16:23

an impression of nose for a

16:25

two, well, I guess Dracula or

16:27

whatever, um, going, I need you

16:29

to bounce on it. Crisis, style.

16:31

And I can't stop quoting it

16:33

to myself. It's fantastic. It's, it's

16:35

so good. And, like, here's what's

16:37

up. I was trying to describe,

16:40

because my parents haven't seen it,

16:42

and I watched it because we

16:44

were going to do it for

16:46

horror virgin, and then we had

16:48

to change scheduling. Because that's the

16:50

other thing, is like, horror virgin

16:52

and romancing the pot have continued,

16:54

and so it seems like nothing

16:56

is going on behind the scenes.

16:58

It's me and Todd not sleeping,

17:01

recording from hotel rooms, whenever we

17:03

have spare hours. And so we

17:05

were supposed to do no soratu,

17:07

and had to change it last

17:09

minute. to do another recording. So

17:11

we haven't done it yet, but

17:13

it made me force Todd to

17:15

watch No Sporado. Like we got

17:17

all the way through watching it

17:20

and then had to do a

17:22

different movie. And so I was

17:24

trying to describe it to my

17:26

parents. And they were like, so

17:28

it's just like the old one?

17:30

I was like, but horny. Yeah.

17:32

So fucking horny. I was like,

17:34

because at the, you know, Victorians

17:36

are totally afraid of sex. And

17:38

I like went on this like

17:41

full on Ted talk and they

17:43

were like. Okay. And

17:45

you're here for how long? You

17:47

seem to live in our house

17:49

now. Mom, dad, what you simply

17:51

need to understand is they could

17:53

not fully tell the story of

17:55

nose for a two because they

17:58

had not discovered. Bouncing on it

18:00

crazy style. And I was a

18:02

necessary movement for us to tell

18:04

the story as intended. Right, right,

18:06

right. You know how good bouncing

18:08

on it looks when you got

18:10

all them flounces? Come on now.

18:13

Mom, they just, they had not

18:15

activated bug mode yet. They didn't

18:17

know. They didn't even know what

18:19

kind of bug not important. You

18:21

know what I mean. Bounce on

18:23

a bug mode. Go bug mode.

18:25

My face fucking melts off. Yeah,

18:28

dude. I one of the other

18:30

reasons that it was so difficult

18:32

for us to record cold podcast

18:34

along with the traveling along with

18:36

Not having a fucking spare minute

18:38

is the fact that the the

18:40

compound and I'll call it a

18:43

compound I stayed at a compound

18:45

in Texas Nearly escaped. Yes, the

18:47

compound that I stayed at, that

18:49

housed, I would say, between at

18:51

different times, between five and 25

18:53

different influencers, creators, content makers, and

18:55

artists. had the worst internet I've

18:58

ever used in my entire fucking

19:00

life. That's true. We had three

19:02

different recording dates where we were

19:04

like, I will see you in

19:06

an hour and it's like, just

19:08

kidding. There's no internet. Oh, just

19:10

kidding. A storm knocked it out.

19:13

Oh, just kidding. It's snowing. It's

19:15

snowing and I guess that means

19:17

there's no power for some reason

19:19

at all. And then when I

19:21

finally did get it to work

19:23

and I tried to record an

19:25

episode of boyfriend material. We found

19:28

out that the internet was so

19:30

bad that there was a 25,

19:32

I'm not joking, there was a

19:34

25 second delay between me saying

19:36

something and the other two hosts

19:38

hearing the thing that I said.

19:41

So the way, the way. The

19:43

way we recorded Boyfriend material is

19:45

we would find a time that

19:47

worked for the three of us.

19:49

And then I would go over

19:51

to Griff's house, friend of the

19:53

show, friend of this show, and

19:56

co-host of Boyfriend material. And Griff

19:58

would record in a studio apartment

20:00

in... the room and then I

20:02

would go into the bathroom, close

20:04

the door and record from the

20:06

tub. Yeah. Oh, it's like old times.

20:08

Yeah. It was, you know what? That's

20:11

very fair. It was actually

20:13

less embarrassing than having to

20:16

push a mattress up against

20:18

a wall so that we

20:20

could record. I, I went

20:22

and taught. podcast seminars and

20:25

joke writing seminars last weekend

20:27

and I had people asking

20:29

where they were like so if

20:32

I have this set up and

20:34

I was like you're already worlds

20:36

ahead Where we started our podcast?

20:38

Like you you had microphones

20:40

good for you Yeah, I mean the

20:43

whole reason, the whole reason I'm

20:45

even part of this show is

20:47

because we couldn't figure out how

20:50

to use microphones. I did talk

20:52

to somebody who was like, yeah,

20:54

we're still using a mixer and

20:56

mixing it live. I was like,

20:58

bra. Free yourself of the

21:00

shackles. Dude, I recorded a

21:02

podcast with Bernie Burns, founder

21:05

of Rooster Teaf, and he

21:07

had... I think the craziest, the craziest,

21:09

fucking setup that I had ever

21:11

seen. He had essentially an audio

21:13

interface slash mixer that had all

21:15

the buttons he needed to play

21:17

the sound drops that he does.

21:19

So he like when the sound,

21:22

when the like theme song comes

21:24

in when he's doing the show,

21:26

that's live. He's doing that live.

21:28

He has that and then he's

21:30

doing the intro and then he

21:32

has like different sound drops that

21:34

he can hit. But then any

21:36

time that he's recording, because he edits

21:38

that, he does them daily. He does them

21:41

every single day, he does like a 30

21:43

minute episode. Maybe that cuts down on your

21:45

editing time. Oh, buddy it sure does. He

21:47

has another button that he can hit anytime

21:49

he wants to cut something out so that

21:51

he can just like, boop, hit it really

21:54

quick. And it like essentially splits the audio

21:56

in two, so he's like has a clean

21:58

cut for when that happens. Oh shit. Okay,

22:00

so he just goes to where

22:02

the cuts are and then... Yeah,

22:04

dude, he's fucking operating in the

22:06

future, man. It's insane. I like

22:08

how we're going off on this

22:10

and people listening are like, I,

22:12

what? What are you talking about?

22:14

Also, as a fucking aside, uh,

22:16

if the house he lives in

22:18

is fucking awesome. The Texas, the

22:20

place that he was staying in

22:22

Texas, I don't know if that's

22:24

his permanent residence or one of

22:26

them, or a house that he

22:28

was... insane looking and my favorite

22:30

moment is that we this did

22:32

not make it into the episode

22:34

but at a certain point he

22:36

was like hey really quick can

22:38

we take a like a brief

22:40

pause and I was like oh

22:42

fuck did I like say something

22:44

wrong or like yeah what's up

22:46

and he was like oh no

22:48

no nothing like that um There's

22:50

a family of deer behind you

22:52

and I was like what and

22:54

I turned around this giant window

22:56

just a family of deer a

22:58

beautiful scene from nature a painting

23:01

almost just happening behind me and

23:03

I then I had to think

23:05

back to when I was like

23:07

Recording in a dungeon with you

23:09

and Andrea even recording in a

23:11

fucking guest room where I was

23:13

like I'm trying desperately to not

23:15

let my computer burst into flames.

23:17

Well, and we had to turn

23:19

off the lights because we could

23:21

hear the buzz of the lights

23:23

in the sound, because that's how

23:25

bad our mice were. I told

23:27

people about that the other day.

23:29

They're like, what do you mean?

23:31

Turn out the lights? I'm like,

23:33

turn out the lights. Like, we

23:35

used to record cult podcast in

23:37

near darkness. Yeah, and you can

23:39

tell. The jokes hit different. They

23:41

hit different. Oh, geez. Well, it

23:43

is so good to be back.

23:45

I immediately when I got back

23:47

to Los Angeles, I don't know

23:49

about you, but I have a

23:51

tradition. I come back home, I

23:53

order a burrito from Sonora town,

23:55

my favorite Mexican food restaurant in

23:57

Los Angeles. I order it to

23:59

be delivered to my house and

24:01

I time it perfectly. So the

24:03

door dash driver is, or I

24:05

guess Uber eats, whatever, is showing

24:07

up as I am walking up

24:09

so that I can be hopping

24:11

out of an Uber home and

24:13

just be like. Yeah, for Armando?

24:15

Yeah, that's mine. That is mine.

24:17

I did that at the hotel

24:19

this past weekend, where I caught

24:21

the guy in the elevator. I

24:23

was like, hey, what's up? Give

24:25

me that. We, Jake and I

24:27

went and ate street tacos last

24:30

night where they're just like carving

24:32

them off the spit and I'm

24:34

like, oh, yes, bless you Los

24:36

Angeles. I, I, it was my

24:38

partner's birthday last week. and we

24:40

spent it in Delaware and this

24:42

week we spent their birthday. Well

24:44

we spent this weekend in Los

24:46

Angeles doing birthday things with their

24:48

friends here in LA. We had

24:50

breakfast today with a friend who

24:52

was trying to describe these tacos

24:54

that they had had and could

24:56

not remember what the words were

24:58

for al-pastor and what they said

25:00

was they went, yeah we went

25:02

to the taco truck and all

25:04

they had was the, the, What

25:06

do you call it? It's the

25:08

tornado meat? Tornado meat! That's the

25:10

best kind. It's very funny. It

25:12

was very good. And it's also

25:14

just an apt description. But now

25:16

every time that I think about

25:18

the store, I'm going to call

25:20

it tornado meat. It's just the

25:22

shark NATO meat. Of meat. Yeah,

25:24

it's meat that they piled up

25:26

crazy style. It's so good. When

25:28

I was in the bay for...

25:30

that like event thing. They had

25:32

a taco truck there and it

25:34

was like their version of street

25:36

tacos and they had like they

25:38

were more like saucy. They had

25:40

like salsa and sauce on them.

25:42

So they were messy as fuck,

25:44

but so good. Like so fucking

25:46

delicious. So I'm sitting there looking

25:48

around being like this would be

25:50

the worst time for me to

25:52

have like just full taco stains

25:54

all down. my shirt and then

25:56

being like, so I'd like to

25:58

tell you about my one hour

26:01

sci-fi trauma. Thankfully I was very

26:03

careful and held the plate right

26:05

underneath my face. That's the way

26:07

to do it. But, whoo, it

26:09

has been a time. It has

26:11

been a time. Oh, I almost

26:13

forgot to tell you. That's what

26:15

we talked about this before. Yeah,

26:17

yeah, you have a slipknot shirt

26:19

on, which is not something I

26:21

ever thought I'd see from it.

26:23

Look, I like it. I'm turning

26:25

back into a skater kid. I

26:27

found this shirt at a thrift

26:29

store while we were, I was

26:31

helping somebody do some costume shopping

26:33

and I found it and I

26:35

was like, dude, this rocks, I

26:37

need this shirt. I need this

26:39

shirt. I bought it. tour t-shirt.

26:41

It is a t-shirt that you

26:43

would buy from the concert that

26:45

you would, you know, when you

26:47

would go see them. I went

26:49

to go get a haircut while

26:51

I was in Texas and one

26:53

of the barbers as I was

26:55

walking out was like, A full?

26:57

And I was like, what's up?

26:59

And he was like, that shirt?

27:01

The slip-not shirt? Did you get

27:03

that? Like... at a slipknot show

27:05

and I was like no no

27:07

I just got it from like

27:09

a thrift store and he goes

27:11

oh all right dude because I

27:13

was thinking on myself like bro

27:15

if I showed up to a

27:17

slipknot show and you were in

27:19

the pit I'm fucking gone dude

27:21

I'm going home for a second

27:23

I thought you were gonna say

27:25

that he was like yo I

27:27

just dropped off my slipnot shirt

27:30

at the thriftress no this guy

27:32

was like I think like Todd-sized,

27:34

maybe. Oh yeah, no, that's, if

27:36

he's in the pit with you,

27:38

he's getting murder. Straight up, destroyed.

27:40

It was a fair, it was

27:42

a fair criticism of seeing an

27:44

Armando in the pit. I told

27:46

this to a friend who told

27:48

me that I look like a,

27:50

that I look like a, okay,

27:52

they said, you look like you

27:54

would be a pit daddy, and

27:56

I said, what the fuck did

27:58

you just say to me? Oh

28:00

no. Apparently. And also tell me

28:02

more? Yeah, and again, pit poppy,

28:04

come on, illiterate. It's okay kid.

28:06

Come on. Come on. Come on.

28:08

They were saying that I look

28:10

like somebody who would stand on

28:12

the edge of the pit enjoying

28:14

it and then if somebody Yeah

28:16

if somebody fell down I would

28:18

just like make space and pull

28:20

them up like to hurt puppies

28:22

and be like you want to

28:24

get back in there boy or

28:26

you want to you want to

28:28

you're you done for the night

28:30

kid. It's okay kid. Come on.

28:32

Come on. Come on I got

28:34

saved at a fallout boy show

28:36

that way when I was much

28:38

younger. I was 21 years old

28:40

and it was a secret show

28:42

at the troubadour. So very small

28:44

venue and the pit was going

28:46

nuts and the band was literally

28:48

like like spitting distance. Like the

28:50

stage wasn't high like if you

28:52

reached out you could touch somebody's

28:54

leg or something like right there.

28:56

But I am a five foot

28:58

two and got like... Recked in

29:01

the pit and then I just

29:03

felt myself lifted out by an

29:05

armpit where I was like my

29:07

body's not on the ground. What's

29:09

happening? It was a very large

29:11

man who was like you okay.

29:13

I was like I'm good. Thanks.

29:15

Thanks. Thanks. Do you want to

29:17

get back in there? It's okay

29:19

kid. It's okay. It's okay. Look

29:21

I like to think that in

29:23

the pit I'm a fucking menace

29:25

that I'm a menace in the

29:27

pit that I'm in there just

29:29

fucking going crazy style. I'm gonna

29:31

stop doing it, I'm sorry. I

29:33

won't tell you to stop. I

29:35

won't tell you to stop. I'm

29:37

not gonna stop till I go

29:39

bug mode. I like to think

29:41

that I would be in the

29:43

pit going absolutely crazy style bug

29:45

mode. But I know for effect

29:47

because I've been in I've been

29:49

in the pit before that essentially

29:51

what happens is I turn into

29:53

one of those big things. Have

29:55

you ever played pinball where there's

29:57

just those things that the ball

29:59

just bounces off of? Oh yeah,

30:01

the like rubber band ones? Yeah,

30:03

yeah, right off your stomach. Somebody,

30:05

yeah, exactly. Somebody will try to

30:07

like like like jump into me

30:09

and then they'll go. And it

30:11

looks like a cartoon noise. Yes.

30:13

I assume. I don't think I've

30:15

never seen that move. but that's

30:17

what I assume happens based on

30:19

its body type. Yes, a hundred

30:21

percent. And again, I'm saying that

30:23

is somebody who also hasn't seen

30:25

Big Hero Six, but would assume

30:27

that they have to be. Yes.

30:30

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, anyway, my point

30:32

is traveling fucking sucks, and I'm

30:34

so glad to be home. Delaware

30:36

is not real. I'll see you

30:38

in the fucking pit and why

30:40

don't you tell me page about

30:42

a little bit of a little

30:44

company called hobby lobby Let's fucking

30:46

talk about hobby lobby my dude.

30:48

All right. This is gonna be

30:50

a little looser than normal because

30:52

it is a much shorter story,

30:54

but it does cover two different

30:56

hobby lobby children. But let me

30:58

go through some sources really quick.

31:00

We have an article and a

31:02

recording from NPR called Hobby Lobby's

31:04

Illegal Antiquities Shed Light on a

31:06

looted ancient city in Iraq. We

31:08

have, unfortunately, ICE.gov, because they're the

31:10

ones that... It's the one time

31:12

ICE has done anything worthwhile. Is

31:14

this one instance? Normally, fuck them,

31:16

gum up their works. yell at

31:18

them, tell them to gargle your

31:20

balls. But in this one case,

31:22

they did something cool. Then we

31:24

have the Fordham International Law Journal.

31:26

The article is called Fool Me

31:28

Twice, Shame on Me, Hobby Lobby's,

31:30

Continued Buying of Smuggled Antiquities. We

31:32

then have the Oklahoma Homen, which

31:34

is an article on the Green

31:36

Families Association with an organization called

31:38

Feed the Children's, so Feed the

31:40

Children's Founders, Sue Hobby Lobby founder.

31:42

We then have a PBS article,

31:44

3800 artifacts once bought by Hobby

31:46

Lobby, returned to Iraq, and then

31:48

we will end on, or rather,

31:50

you know, have it all together,

31:52

it's all gonna be kind of

31:54

mixed in, but an NBC news

31:56

article, businessman rescues oral Roberts University.

31:58

Let's start with. What

32:01

do you know? And I'm pulling

32:03

this mostly from hobby lobbies about

32:05

us section. Okay. What do you

32:07

know about hobby lobby in general?

32:10

I know that hobby lobby is,

32:12

well I would have originally said

32:14

it was like Joanne from Joanne's,

32:17

met Michael from Michael's and then

32:19

they got together and made a

32:21

whole new hobby. Yeah, they hobbyed

32:24

each other's lobby. Crazy style, bug

32:26

mode, you get it, you get

32:28

it, etc. Notions, yeah, uh-huh. That's

32:31

sort of the like notion that

32:33

I had of what Hobby Lobby

32:35

was recently and I'm willing to

32:38

say probably around the time we

32:40

really started doing this podcast or

32:42

I started doing this podcast more

32:45

consistently is when I was turned

32:47

on to the fact that it

32:49

is extremely Christian. I guess. Oh

32:52

yeah, we're gonna get into it.

32:54

Yeah. Uh-huh. I unfortunately have spent

32:56

very well, maybe fortunately have spent

32:59

very little time needing ever to.

33:01

go to hobby lobby. Sure sure.

33:03

Both because one if I'm going

33:06

to go to an art supply

33:08

store which I know that hobby

33:10

lobby probably has way more than

33:12

just art supplies but if I

33:15

was going to. Okay cool yeah

33:17

if I was going to go

33:19

to one of those I would

33:22

go to a local place here

33:24

in Los Angeles where I live

33:26

in a big city because that's

33:29

a thing that I can do.

33:31

You have the ability to do

33:33

so not everyone does. That's an

33:36

important distinction to me. And so

33:38

yeah, I've never really actually gone

33:40

inside of one. I have only

33:43

ever seen screenshots of the inside

33:45

of one where it looks like

33:47

somebody took Christian wall art and

33:50

put it in the back rooms.

33:52

And that's my impression of hobby.

33:54

That is what it looks like.

33:57

Oh my God. That is exactly

33:59

what a hobby lobby looks like.

34:01

Let me get into it. So

34:04

for some of you, A, especially

34:06

as Joanne's closes. Hobby Lobby might

34:08

be your only option for arts

34:10

and crafts and fabric and stuff

34:13

near you. In no way do

34:15

I want to try and shame

34:17

you for only having one option.

34:20

If that's your only option, that's

34:22

your only option. It is what

34:24

it is. Capitalism ruins things for

34:27

everybody. And there are some things

34:29

that Hobby Lobby does different from

34:31

other businesses. That are not bad,

34:34

but there's also a lot of

34:36

stuff they do that is bad

34:38

and we'll talk about it But

34:41

things like their minimum wage is

34:43

1925 Which is super high for

34:45

most places outside the coasts in

34:48

America. Wait, that's like country-wide. It's

34:50

19 dollars. Yeah, yeah, they're hardcore

34:52

about it, but in the same

34:55

in the same vein And here's

34:57

the thing, they do provide health

34:59

insurance, but they don't provide reproductive

35:02

care, really. They don't provide contraceptives.

35:04

They have very, very limited scope

35:06

of what they will provide for

35:09

women's health, and that's really shitty.

35:11

And they won a court case

35:13

that allows them to do that

35:15

and allows them to operate their

35:18

business based on their religious beliefs,

35:20

even though they employ thousands upon

35:22

thousands, upon thousands of people. So

35:25

like, again, it's great that their

35:27

minimum wage is high. I know

35:29

this is some people's only option.

35:32

They are also making some shitty

35:34

decisions. But let me give you

35:36

a little background about how the

35:39

company started. So in 1970, a

35:41

couple, David and Barbara Green, took

35:43

out a $600 loan. That's not

35:46

a lot of money, even in

35:48

1970. What? Wait, hold on. I

35:50

didn't hear the 1970 part the

35:53

first. You have $600 lying around

35:55

home boy? They took out a

35:57

$600 loan and they began making

36:00

miniature picture frames in their home

36:02

by hand and made their kids

36:04

do it too. Two years after

36:07

starting in their house. They opened

36:09

a 300 square foot store in

36:11

Oklahoma City. That's half the size

36:14

of my last apartment in Los

36:16

Angeles. It is truly a lobby.

36:18

Very small. Truly a lobby. And

36:20

that is probably why they called

36:23

it hobby lobby because that's when

36:25

it got the name. Now. Today,

36:27

Hobby Lobby has more than 1,000

36:30

stores and they are the largest

36:32

privately owned arts and crafts retailer

36:34

in the world, and they have

36:37

over 45,000 employees operating in 48

36:39

states. If you've been following the

36:41

Joanne's debacle, which Armando, I assume

36:44

you have not, part of the

36:46

reasons... Part of the reason Joanne's

36:48

is going out of business is

36:51

because they were purchased by a

36:53

private equity firm that made them

36:55

take on the debt of buying.

36:58

them as a business. So they're,

37:00

yes, they owe against the debt

37:02

for buying them because private equities

37:05

kind of suck sometimes, a lot

37:07

of the time. And so that's

37:09

why the private equity company is

37:12

liquidating Joanne's. Mind you, Joanne's was

37:14

most people's alternative to hobby lobby.

37:16

If you didn't want to shop

37:19

at hobby lobby lobby for personal

37:21

reasons, political reasons. Joanne's was kind

37:23

of your only option. Michael's was

37:25

your other option, but Michael's doesn't

37:28

have fabric. Now hobby lobbies, like

37:30

one of your only options, even

37:32

though their fabric selection is very,

37:35

very, very, very limited. So this

37:37

is where we find ourselves in

37:39

our country. They have a large

37:42

picture frame section, a huge decor

37:44

section, but they also have jewelry

37:46

making, fabrics, floral, wedding supplies, cards,

37:49

party wearable art, home decor, holiday

37:51

merchandise. and fiber arts, arts, supplies,

37:53

yarn, etc. Their corporate headquarters in

37:56

Oklahoma City includes 12 million square

37:58

feet of manufacturing since almost everything

38:00

at Hobby Lobby is private label.

38:03

They're like a Trader Joe's, which

38:05

is also how they've been able

38:07

to stay privately owned. Joanns tried

38:10

to do the same thing and

38:12

do a. a bunch of private

38:14

label stuff, too little too late

38:17

apparently. Now they also own Mardell

38:19

Christian Education Supply, which is basically

38:21

a Christian bookstore and education supply,

38:24

as well as a hub for

38:26

homeschooling curriculum. That's terrifying for a

38:28

different reason that we'll have to

38:30

go into another time. They also

38:33

have offices in Hong Kong, Shenzhen,

38:35

and Yiw, China. So they are

38:37

kind of a craft. Empire. Now,

38:40

David and Barbara Green, who founded

38:42

the company, are still, they've been

38:44

involved, but mostly it's their kids,

38:47

at this point running the company,

38:49

but they all ascribe to the

38:51

same values, and this comes directly

38:54

from the Hobby Lobby website. Let

38:56

me read them to you. One,

38:58

honoring the Lord and all we

39:01

do by operating in a manner

39:03

consistent with biblical principles. This is

39:05

why they're privately owned, because they

39:08

don't want to take on debt.

39:10

or at least not debt that

39:12

they can't pay off. They offer

39:15

customers exceptional selection and value, serving

39:17

our employees and their families by

39:19

establishing a work environment and company

39:22

policies that build character, strengthen individuals

39:24

and nurture families. That's why they

39:26

don't offer birth control because families.

39:29

And finally, providing a return on

39:31

the company's investment, sharing the Lord's

39:33

blessings with our employees and investing

39:35

in our community. That's why they

39:38

have high minimum wage. So again,

39:40

it's a slurry. of stuff. So

39:42

how and why did they get

39:45

in trouble? Let's start with the

39:47

part that connects with our oral

39:49

Robert series. Now, there's two sons

39:52

that seem to be running the

39:54

bulk of hobby lobbies empire right

39:56

now. Stephen Green and Mark Green

39:59

tends to be the one who

40:01

handles a lot of their, I

40:03

guess, charity work. is a good

40:06

way to put it. So in

40:08

the early 2000s, when Richard Roberts,

40:10

Dick Roberts, stepped down as president

40:13

of oral Roberts University amid accusations

40:15

of essentially embezzlement where he was

40:17

living this lavish lifestyle and the

40:20

money was maybe not going back

40:22

into the school. As that change

40:24

happened, Mark Green, and along with

40:27

Hobby Lobby as like a foundation,

40:29

gave them a like fuck load

40:31

of money. So much money. I've

40:33

seen a couple different figures, but

40:36

it seems like it's like let

40:38

me double fucking check the number

40:40

Let's see. Yeah, okay 70 million

40:43

70 million dollars 70 million dollars

40:45

70 million Which by the way

40:47

if you're like how bad did

40:50

that hurt hobby lobby? Not at

40:52

all drop in the bucket But

40:54

that's not the only charity they

40:57

kind of invested in. So they

40:59

also invested in a charity that

41:01

is for some reason not loading

41:04

on my computer called Feed the

41:06

Children. And Feed the Children, I

41:08

think was under the impression that

41:11

they were getting donations. And then

41:13

they were pushed out the people

41:15

who owned it. Like Hobby Lobby

41:18

just like took it over. So...

41:20

Kind of the same thing with

41:22

oral Roberts where it's like now

41:25

they're kind of involved with the

41:27

board, they're around, but part of

41:29

why they did this is they

41:32

believed that if oral Roberts University

41:34

closed, it affected all the Christian

41:36

colleges and everyone would be in

41:38

trouble. That's how we're connected. Now,

41:41

this is, okay, here we are

41:43

finally, thank you. So Francis Jones.

41:45

It was previously the founder and

41:48

owner of Feed the Children. So

41:50

they approached Mark Green and David

41:52

Green and Steve and then grandson

41:55

David Tyler. It's a whole thing.

41:57

And then their cousin's Hank and

41:59

the other one. Hank, yeah. But

42:02

they essentially, they accepted a donation

42:04

from the Greens, met with the

42:06

Green family on July 8th and

42:09

met with them again on July

42:11

23rd, the 23rd of July, and

42:13

I believe this is in 2007.

42:16

Now they said in this meeting,

42:18

David Green kept calling them son.

42:20

which I find fun. They're from

42:23

Alabama, Oklahoma? Oklahoma. They're from Oklahoma.

42:25

Okay. Now, yes. Yeah, obviously, he's

42:27

saying it like in Oklahoma or

42:30

like somebody from the South. Listen

42:32

to your son. Just addressing somebody

42:34

younger. I'd like to recontextualize this

42:37

and imagine that he was doing

42:39

it as if he was from

42:41

where I'm from in the appropriate

42:43

time that he came from. Sure,

42:46

sure, sure. And he was just

42:48

like, yeah, you know, you don't

42:50

know how to run a fucking

42:53

charity son? Yes, yes. And that's

42:55

literally exactly what happened is they

42:57

were like, you don't know how

43:00

to run a fucking charity son,

43:02

because they had internal conflicts within

43:04

the organization and felt like it

43:07

was mismanaged. And spoiler, Hobby Lobby

43:09

didn't lose that lawsuit. They did

43:11

eventually reach a confidential agreement to

43:14

basically make the original founders of

43:16

that charity go the fuck away.

43:18

But what are you gonna do?

43:21

Look, I know, I'm not the

43:23

best at business. Most of what

43:25

I've learned from running a business

43:28

actually came from the TV show

43:30

succession. But I don't, I was

43:32

not aware of the fact that

43:35

you could hostile takeover a charity.

43:37

Yeah, you can't it's a business.

43:39

Huh, I mean, yeah, it's a

43:42

non-profit business So technically, I mean

43:44

that makes sense at all. How

43:46

does this not get you like

43:48

a ton of backlash? I guess

43:51

it did but it was also

43:53

10 plus years ago So I

43:55

think a lot of people forgot

43:58

about it And it was right

44:00

on the heels of hobby lobbies

44:02

battle with another lawsuit that allowed

44:05

them to not provide birth control.

44:07

And so like that I think

44:09

is part of the problem. And

44:12

I want to clarify, because some

44:14

of you may have heard that

44:16

they only didn't want to provide

44:18

abortions, which I still think is

44:20

shitty, but they also did not

44:22

provide certain types of birth

44:25

control. They only allowed certain

44:27

types. And that's really not.

44:29

Like not everyone can take the

44:31

same types, it's a whole thing.

44:34

Yeah. Anyway, while all that was

44:36

happening, and it's unclear, Steve

44:38

Green seems to be the

44:40

son that talks about this

44:42

the most in the news

44:44

and stuff, but I don't know

44:46

that it's him alone doing this.

44:49

He is said to

44:51

be the one that

44:53

started a museum of

44:55

the Bible. That's kind

44:57

of his thing, where

44:59

he decided that he

45:01

wanted to have a

45:03

museum of the Bible

45:05

and fill it with

45:07

antiquities from where he

45:09

believes the Bible happened.

45:11

Specifically, that is ancient

45:13

Mesopotamia, and he seems

45:15

particularly interested in artifacts

45:17

and items from around

45:19

Abraham's birthplace, so modern

45:22

day Iraq. As the war was

45:24

going on in Iraq, there were a

45:26

lot of options if you wanted to

45:28

buy these antiquities illegally.

45:31

And it seems like they had

45:33

potentially been doing this a long

45:35

time. A lot of the things

45:37

they were buying were Kuneiform tablets

45:39

and stone bullay, so things for

45:42

like sealing letters and documents. That

45:44

was a lot of what they

45:46

were buying. However... they weren't paying

45:48

attention to the provenance of the

45:50

artifacts. So they weren't verifying that

45:53

they were purchased legally, which by

45:55

the way, there's not a lot

45:57

of ways to purchase these things

45:59

legally. You shouldn't really have them,

46:01

Iraq should have them. Yes. They

46:04

had them shipped to hobby lobby

46:06

stores in crates. What the f-

46:08

really? Yes. And this is weird

46:11

enough to happen once. It's happened

46:13

twice. Ice, essentially like intercepted some

46:15

of them. which again the one

46:17

time they did something cool, they

46:20

intercepted them and opened them and

46:22

returned them to Iraq and then

46:24

they've had to do it a

46:26

second time. Because all the way

46:29

up through 2017, they have been

46:31

able to trace antiquities dealers in

46:33

Jerusalem and other places in the

46:36

East Coast and then trace them

46:38

to hobby lobby where they were

46:40

being delivered to stores. in crates

46:42

as samples. So they were clearly

46:45

trying to hide it at that

46:47

point. And they'd been doing it

46:49

since 2009. Now that Museum of

46:51

the Bible is in Washington DC.

46:54

It is questionable. A lot of

46:56

people say that the the artifacts

46:58

they have are mismarked and not

47:01

necessarily properly categorized. We know that

47:03

they spent about 1.6 million. on

47:05

these artifacts, but they were worth

47:07

about $11,800,000 dollars. So they only

47:10

paid 13% of the appraised value

47:12

and then ultimately had to return

47:14

all of them. But... Also, just

47:17

imagine being an employee for hobby

47:19

lobby and holding up like a

47:21

letter sealer that predates the language

47:23

that you fucking speak. Right, right.

47:26

Hey Sarah, I think these t-shirt

47:28

samples are weird this season doesn't

47:30

look like But they also so

47:32

like I don't think they got

47:35

opened by any employees sure like

47:37

which I'd feel bad for that

47:39

employee because you'd be like, what

47:42

is that, like, what is happening?

47:44

No, but that's how they were

47:46

trying to hide them from customs,

47:48

is like shipping them to stores.

47:51

But they did consent, like I

47:53

said, to the forfeiture, and then

47:55

they had to pay an additional

47:57

$3 million to settle a civil

48:00

suit with the government. And they

48:02

refused to basically admit to any

48:04

wrongdoing. They just promised to be

48:07

more careful in the future. And

48:09

in a press release, they said,

48:11

quote, The company was new to

48:13

the world of acquiring these items

48:16

and did not fully appreciate the

48:18

complexities of the acquisitions process. What?

48:20

Didn't matter. Three years later, the

48:23

Department of Justice, and this is

48:25

in 2020, they filed another complaint

48:27

for the forfeiture of another tablet

48:29

from modern day Iraq. It's called

48:32

the Gilgamesh Dream tablet. It is

48:34

from ancient Babylonia. They believe it's

48:36

from around 1600 B.C.E. And it

48:38

is a portion of the epic

48:41

of Gilgamesh, which is a long-standing

48:43

ancient tale. And it was sold

48:45

to Hobby Lobby in 2014 for

48:48

$1.6 million. And they requested information

48:50

on the countries. origin, basically country

48:52

of origin for the item, before

48:54

buying the tablet, and they were

48:57

told that it had been in

48:59

the United States since 1981. They

49:01

did not check on that until

49:03

a few years later. when they

49:06

were basically returning everything else, then

49:08

they researched this this one cana

49:10

form tablet and it led to

49:13

the discovery that the providence had

49:15

been faked and it had only

49:17

arrived in the United States in

49:19

2003 during the war. So Homeland

49:22

Security seized it in 2019 and

49:24

then of course they had to

49:26

address that complaint in 2020. So...

49:29

This museum, this museum of the

49:31

Bible, which by the way, I

49:33

know I didn't make a sound,

49:35

or you may have seen my

49:38

face as I was doing the

49:40

mental... math. When you said he

49:42

opened up a museum of the

49:44

Bible, I was like, oh here

49:47

we go, another one of these

49:49

like weird Christian like roller coaster

49:51

parks, amusement parks, come on, hell

49:54

yeah. And then I remembered the

49:56

sources and what they were about

49:58

and put together that he was

50:00

going to just be filling them

50:03

with the precious artifacts from another

50:05

culture completely. Was this museum? Open

50:07

to the public or is this?

50:09

What? Yeah, dude, you could go.

50:12

Let me see how much it

50:14

is. It's 1.6 million dollars to

50:16

get in and then you have

50:19

to pay towards their lawsuit against

50:21

the US government. But remember, oh

50:23

God, the in God we trust

50:25

tour, it's $440. Museum of the

50:28

Bible. Let's see, they have special,

50:30

oh, they have like a cool

50:32

video. Display yeah, it's still open

50:35

in Washington DC tickets are It

50:37

was open today from 10 a.m.

50:39

to 5 p.m. Tickets are about

50:41

30 bucks a pop for adults

50:44

Hmm. I that's general admission Stro

50:46

is there a VIP. Yes. Yeah.

50:48

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah like for guided

50:50

tours and stuff. But yeah so

50:53

it's still open but like I

50:55

mentioned where it's like stuff there

50:57

is not accurate because the epic

51:00

of Gilgamesh is like a Babylonian

51:02

mythology like it's a tale of

51:04

one of their like you know

51:06

historic mythological heroes but then they

51:09

have it in the museum of

51:11

the Bible to be like this

51:13

is actually like from Abraham's and

51:15

it's like wait a minute like

51:18

you you're not taking any of

51:20

the history of the place into

51:22

account you're just grabbing artifacts basically

51:25

but yes if we're ever in

51:27

DC we can go see it

51:29

Yeah sure yeah yeah that's yeah

51:31

that's how I want to spend

51:34

my time now there's way better

51:36

museums DC yeah in Washington DC

51:38

I would yeah I Love the

51:41

idea that they're basically pointing at

51:43

the epic of Gil dimension being

51:45

like now This is something that

51:47

Abraham would read before he went

51:50

to sleep It's sort of like

51:52

an old-timey bar and stained bears

51:54

Right right right except it was

51:56

baron steen bears and if you

51:59

look at the original tablets you

52:01

can see that they've changed Yeah,

52:03

I can see the little rock

52:06

marks where they've chipped it in

52:08

But yeah, that was our little

52:10

journey through hobby lobby and how

52:12

it kind of relates to oral

52:15

Roberts. So like while they were

52:17

spending that 1.6 million on the,

52:19

and I guess technically at the

52:21

end of the day, closer to

52:24

3 million on all of these

52:26

artifacts, they were also giving 70

52:28

million dollars to keep oral Roberts

52:31

University open because they had mismanaged

52:33

funds at oral Roberts University. Yeah,

52:35

and it's, are they pushing out

52:37

the Roberts family and taking it

52:40

over to? The Roberts family is

52:42

kind of out. There's somebody else

52:44

that is in charge now, which

52:47

we barely touched on at the

52:49

end. But it was because of

52:51

mismanagement of funds that Richard was

52:53

kind of pushed out. And there's

52:56

like a board controls them now.

52:58

So it's like somebody else. But

53:00

yeah, but it was 70 million

53:02

to kind of, you know, clean

53:05

up the mess. I mean, well,

53:07

that's just, I mean, that feels

53:09

like a mismanagement of funds on

53:12

hobby lobbies part. And at this

53:14

point, I will be taking over

53:16

hobby lobby. But they are privately

53:18

held. So like, they can technically

53:21

spend their money on whatever they

53:23

want, which is how they were

53:25

able to do that lawsuit for

53:27

birth control stuff is like they

53:30

can spend money on whatever. They're

53:32

privately held. So, you know, if

53:34

you have another craft or, you

53:37

know, fabric option. and you're able

53:39

to take it and you can

53:41

afford to take it great if

53:43

not this is not me shaming

53:46

you but i do believe in

53:48

being a formed yeah i think

53:50

that's the best way to do

53:53

it but i mean me personally

53:55

as a west coast delete what

53:57

i like to do with my

53:59

money is i i actually import

54:02

fine yarn from ancient Babylonia stolen

54:04

from the guy homes of Iraq

54:06

people from Iraq ancient alpacas yes

54:08

yes and then I bring that

54:11

over here and then I weave

54:13

that into a little sweater that

54:15

doesn't fit me yeah yeah yeah

54:18

and then you have to return

54:20

5,000 artifacts to Egypt and 8,000

54:22

to Iraq There you go. Okay,

54:24

is that is are those real

54:27

numbers that they did? Yes. Oh

54:29

my God. Are we to believe?

54:31

And some of them are very

54:33

very small. Sure. Like, yeah. Are

54:36

we to believe or are we

54:38

to think I guess that? each

54:40

one of those cost the same

54:43

amount as the ones that you

54:45

talked about the like no no

54:47

no no no no no I

54:49

would say that that five thousand

54:52

and eight thousand are probably collectively

54:54

one point six million and then

54:56

that one tablet on its own

54:59

was another one point six million

55:01

but also it seems like they're

55:03

doing this through Antiquities dealers overseas

55:05

like I don't think hobby lobbies

55:08

flying over there and just gathering

55:10

stuff up I think they're just

55:12

not researching the people they're purchasing

55:14

artifacts from which by the way

55:17

it's pretty illegal for anyone in

55:19

America to own artifacts with like

55:21

from Iraq unless you have government

55:24

permission from both governments yeah so

55:26

like Mostly no one has them

55:28

except for a handful of museums

55:30

where they're like on loan But

55:33

they did not do that in

55:35

this case. You also probably just

55:37

again don't want to I'd like

55:39

to take you through where my

55:42

brain went Because happy to join

55:44

your I realize that essentially they're

55:46

buying probably a lot of these

55:49

and returning them as giant collections

55:51

Right there being sourced into That

55:53

got me thinking about something and

55:55

I know this isn't, I know

55:58

this is an Iraq, I know

56:00

this is a whole different place,

56:02

but is people going into ancient

56:05

Egyptian pyramids? just the ultimate version

56:07

of storage wars. Yes, absolutely. But

56:09

and here's the thing, I watch

56:11

way too much history channel, it's

56:14

who I be. Grave-robbing has been

56:16

a problem since ancient Egypt. Oh

56:18

yeah. It's forever, right? It has

56:20

always been a problem. And so

56:23

when you have... artifacts that you

56:25

can't confirm the providence of that's

56:27

they probably were robbed from a

56:30

grave like that is probably what

56:32

happened and so that's what's going

56:34

on right these were likely picked

56:36

up during a time of war

56:39

when people could not monitor it

56:41

and then they kind of like

56:43

laundered them through a couple antiquities

56:45

dealers and then into America but

56:48

also it's kind of one of

56:50

those things where it's like If

56:53

you're going to open a museum

56:55

and you're trying to get artifacts

56:58

for the museum, make sure they're

57:00

correct, make sure everything is accurate,

57:02

you have to do your due

57:04

diligence on that. You can't just

57:06

be like, I got a great

57:08

deal on a crate and it's

57:10

$1.6 million. which it seems like

57:13

that's kind of what was happening

57:15

is they were like buying lots

57:17

of stuff and not checking on

57:19

where it came from and then

57:21

just in the museum saying it

57:23

came from wherever so yeah it's

57:25

a I mean the whole literally

57:27

the whole point of running a

57:30

museum of any type if you're

57:32

doing it from a place of

57:34

I guess genuine Goodness quote unquote,

57:36

I don't know I have problems

57:38

with museums and as in general

57:40

I feel like museums can be

57:42

ethical They are not always ethical

57:45

and you have to take that

57:47

with a grain of salt whenever

57:49

you go 100% and again I

57:51

know that there are full-on museums

57:53

that are just like modern art

57:55

and like people One of my

57:57

favorite museums was the African-American history

57:59

museum in DC. It's fucking Incredible.

58:02

Everyone should go. Yeah, let's go

58:04

there. It's awesome. We went on

58:06

our honeymoon, but they have like

58:08

P-Funk's like flying saucer and shit

58:10

there. Like it's great. There's so

58:12

much cool shit in that museum.

58:14

But we know that that's all

58:17

like sourced correctly. Like it was

58:19

a huge undertaking. They did their

58:21

due diligence. These people, no, they

58:23

not. Like quantifiably, documentably. Not even

58:25

a little. Yeah, millions of dollars

58:27

worth of not doing their due

58:29

diligence. Yep. And again, next time

58:31

that, oh, oh yeah, that's my

58:34

favorite fun fact. I was going

58:36

to say this earlier, and you

58:38

alluded to it, I mean, you

58:40

basically said it. And so now

58:42

I'm just saying it again, I

58:44

know you apologize so much, but

58:46

one of my favorite little fun

58:49

facts is that they had archaeologists

58:51

studying ancient Egypt now. And yeah,

58:53

like you said, grave robbers, people

58:55

going through and taking from these

58:57

supposedly cursed pyramids was just as

58:59

weird and strange to them as

59:01

it is to us today. It's

59:03

an empire that truly boggles the

59:06

mind. Right, well and there's so,

59:08

like the looting that happened in

59:10

the early 1900s to now, like

59:12

everything that's in the British Museum

59:14

basically, and some stuff that's in

59:16

the Met in New York, like

59:18

dark. Dark does not have accurate

59:21

providence either, but it was done

59:23

a long time ago, not current.

59:25

Yeah, and so what I'm saying

59:27

is the next time that you're

59:29

watching storage wars I want you

59:31

to imagine that they crack open

59:33

one of those things and get

59:35

hit with a fucking ferros curse

59:38

And they as they as their

59:40

face melt is off as somebody

59:42

goes absolutely bug mode. Yeah, as

59:44

the locusts fly out going bug

59:46

mode mode They with their last

59:48

they go, oh cool, Pokemon cards.

59:50

And then that's how it ends.

59:53

What's your favorite thing that you've

59:55

ever seen somebody find on Storage

59:57

Wars? I haven't watched any Storage

59:59

Wars. It's been a long time

1:00:01

since I've watched Storage Wars because

1:00:03

it's like, it's the same episode

1:00:05

every time, basically. And so you

1:00:08

can only get through so much

1:00:10

of it, you can only be

1:00:12

so high. There was one where

1:00:14

they found it was like a

1:00:16

naked lady mannequin that had a

1:00:18

phone in her like abdomen and

1:00:20

it was like a working phone

1:00:22

like a landline and I was

1:00:25

like That's a weird cool thing

1:00:27

that I'd like to have in

1:00:29

my house, but that's one of

1:00:31

the only times I've been like,

1:00:33

fuck yeah, storage wars. That's a

1:00:35

weird cool thing somebody explicitly did

1:00:37

not want in their house. That's

1:00:40

how it got there. They put

1:00:42

it in the storage unit, that's

1:00:44

correct. Yes. I think, I don't,

1:00:46

I haven't seen storage wars. I'm

1:00:48

familiar with the concept and I

1:00:50

don't know. If this rings true

1:00:52

in the actual show, but I

1:00:54

do know that a majority of

1:00:57

the lots that get like bidded

1:00:59

on or basically auctioned off have

1:01:01

fucking nothing in them for the

1:01:03

most part. Yeah, most of them

1:01:05

are like old documents and clothes

1:01:07

and stuff. Yeah, the one. Every

1:01:09

time I watch something like, okay,

1:01:12

recently I watched David Finscher's The

1:01:14

Killer, a great movie that I

1:01:16

enjoyed tremendously. This is not a

1:01:18

spoiler in the movie. there is

1:01:20

an assassin who has a storage

1:01:22

unit and mentions that they might

1:01:24

have a couple others hidden throughout

1:01:26

the states as well. And in

1:01:29

this storage container is just tons

1:01:31

of currency from different countries, different

1:01:33

places, different passports, identifications, loads of

1:01:35

guns and bullets. And he just

1:01:37

has these for any time he

1:01:39

needs to use them. And my

1:01:41

first thought was like... Well, fucking

1:01:44

crazy episode of Storage Wars, dude.

1:01:46

That's the other thing of, like,

1:01:48

people find bodies in storage units

1:01:50

more than you would think. Oh.

1:01:52

And sometimes it's an accident, right?

1:01:54

because like sometimes it is a

1:01:56

person who was un housed who

1:01:58

was trying to get out of

1:02:01

the rain and then couldn't get

1:02:03

out like terrible right sometimes it's

1:02:05

fucking murder you never know like

1:02:07

speaking of people who shot at

1:02:09

people I'm now the proud owner

1:02:11

of a John Winkley original okay

1:02:13

all right cool all right sick

1:02:16

I thought you were about to

1:02:18

tell me that you were taking

1:02:20

a trip and I was going

1:02:22

to cut the microphone off expeditiously

1:02:24

Nah, I have a real cool

1:02:26

picture, a real cool original painting

1:02:28

of a cat by the guy

1:02:30

who shot Reagan. I think it

1:02:33

will only bring good vibes to

1:02:35

my house. And I'm excited to

1:02:37

have it. Didn't he do a

1:02:39

thing recently when like the Luigi

1:02:41

stuff was happening where he's like,

1:02:43

can you guys stop? I just

1:02:45

want peace, yes. You guys stop

1:02:48

hitting me up, please come on.

1:02:50

Yeah, well, because everyone was like,

1:02:52

Hinkley, it's your chance. And he's

1:02:54

like, no, like guys, please, stop.

1:02:56

Meanwhile, that fucking coward. Meanwhile, my

1:02:58

roommate's upstairs, Andrew's upstairs painting a

1:03:00

Luigi portrait that we have. Oh

1:03:02

my God, I saw the like,

1:03:05

like, he was showing some pieces

1:03:07

of it on Instagram That looks

1:03:09

fantastic. Great job. We have a

1:03:11

few different portraits that he's painted

1:03:13

that we are going to hang

1:03:15

in our home in the hallway

1:03:17

as you walk, as you ascend

1:03:20

up the stairs and that will

1:03:22

surely be one of them. We

1:03:24

also have a terrifying haunted portrait

1:03:26

that we have in our house

1:03:28

that I fucking hate that brings

1:03:30

me nothing but nightmares and terror

1:03:32

and every time I see it,

1:03:34

it makes me feel upset inside.

1:03:37

What is it? What? Is it

1:03:39

something Andrew painted or something you

1:03:41

guys bought? Nope, it is an

1:03:43

antique that we got from my

1:03:45

partner's mother who insists on giving

1:03:47

us gifts. Okay. Of antique quality.

1:03:49

Nature, okay. And yeah, it's a

1:03:52

fucking terrifying painting. It's one of

1:03:54

the worst things I've ever seen

1:03:56

in my entire life. It is

1:03:58

like a little clown pilgrim on

1:04:00

an off-put like orange-ish background and

1:04:02

it has a shitty cheap little

1:04:04

wood frame. It's about this this

1:04:07

size which like two of my

1:04:09

heads which is also a rough

1:04:11

reference for everyone. Sure sure sure

1:04:13

sure sure sure big my head

1:04:15

is but yeah it is I'll

1:04:17

try to post a picture of

1:04:19

it on cold podcast like Instagram

1:04:21

when this episode comes out and

1:04:24

I will send one to you

1:04:26

today. It's fucking horrifying to look

1:04:28

at. It's awful. I hate it

1:04:30

so much and every time I

1:04:32

see it. I'm not joking either.

1:04:34

Like I'm not playing this up

1:04:36

for the bit. The evil clowns

1:04:39

that I got from my grandmother

1:04:41

that I love and I mean

1:04:43

love and took with me when

1:04:45

I evacuated for the fires that

1:04:47

my aunt can't stand. Like thinks

1:04:49

they're full on haunted and hold

1:04:51

on. I'm gonna show you on

1:04:53

the camera momentarily. Uh, and apparently.

1:04:56

I found out, because I tried to

1:04:58

find more of them on Instagram, or

1:05:01

on eBay, because I cannot stress enough.

1:05:03

I love them. They're from Mexico, apparently.

1:05:05

Oh, oh, yeah, those suck. I hate

1:05:07

them. I love them so much. Yeah,

1:05:09

I've seen those before. I think my

1:05:12

grandmother has some of those. Oh, if

1:05:14

she doesn't want them, I'll take them.

1:05:16

Yeah, I think I'm going to be

1:05:18

left them, and they're all yours. You

1:05:20

just have to go pick them up

1:05:22

because I refuse to have them. There

1:05:25

was a- I love them so much.

1:05:27

There was a house. There was a

1:05:29

room in the house that my grandmother

1:05:31

lived in that was entirely dolls like

1:05:33

that and then other small like porcelain

1:05:36

like baby-sized baby dolls and just a

1:05:38

room full of them. And that is-

1:05:40

and by the way, it's not a

1:05:42

side room. That was my grandmother and

1:05:44

grandfather's bedroom. They slept in there. to

1:05:47

know what my grandfather's brain where his

1:05:49

head was at, but I think less

1:05:51

of them. I think less of them,

1:05:53

truly. for letting that go on. I

1:05:55

think everyone should have the ability to

1:05:58

make their space look the way that

1:06:00

they want, but I really think he

1:06:02

should have smashed the dolls, truly. Well,

1:06:04

I'm glad he didn't, because I'm looking

1:06:06

forward to inheriting your grandmother's clowns someday.

1:06:08

I like them. They're fun. Taking it

1:06:11

all the way back to the beginning,

1:06:13

I will say this, after staying in

1:06:15

a house that my partner did live

1:06:17

in, a house again, older than America,

1:06:19

and is certainly haunted and has a

1:06:22

bunch of stuff in it that's fucking

1:06:24

scary to look at, that's scary to

1:06:26

look at, their taste in stuff makes

1:06:28

a lot more sense now. I feel

1:06:30

like I would like this evil painting

1:06:33

that you have. I'm gonna show it

1:06:35

to you. I would enjoy it. I'm

1:06:37

gonna show it to you and you're

1:06:39

really gonna like it. It does look

1:06:41

like a prop that was made specifically

1:06:44

for Ghostbusters. I love that creepy. I

1:06:46

love that so much. And this is

1:06:48

also like the fifth podcast I've talked

1:06:50

about it on. So I mean... This

1:06:52

was the fifth podcast I talked about,

1:06:54

oh, you're still here on, because I

1:06:57

still can't get over how it is

1:06:59

like both the calmest, simplest, politest, and

1:07:01

coldest I have ever seen a person

1:07:03

be. But I mean, and I couldn't

1:07:05

laugh in the moment because I was

1:07:08

standing right there. And so I laugh

1:07:10

about it now. Oh, that's so funny.

1:07:12

And I, you know what, what a

1:07:14

perfect way to not just end, but

1:07:16

maybe title this episode after our long

1:07:19

hiatus. Oh, you're still here. Yeah. So

1:07:21

thank you everyone so much for joining

1:07:23

us. Thank you to Page for writing

1:07:25

up this stuff about hobby lobby and

1:07:27

enlightening me on the ethics morals and

1:07:29

honestly the way that you even start

1:07:32

a museum. Because until this moment. I

1:07:34

never thought about it, right? I never

1:07:36

really thought about the fact that anyone

1:07:38

can start a museum. You can just

1:07:40

do that. Yeah, anyone. Literally, in fact,

1:07:43

a museum burned down in the fires

1:07:45

and people are looking to restart it.

1:07:47

The bunny museum? Yeah, it's a museum

1:07:49

of bunny stuff. Oh. You couldn't have

1:07:51

picked the worst thing to burn down.

1:07:54

That's awful. Oh, God. I hear they'll

1:07:56

rebuild though. They're, you know, working on

1:07:58

it. Yeah, I would give money to

1:08:00

that on a heartbeat. I love, here's

1:08:02

the thing, I love a weird passion

1:08:05

project museum. I take people to the

1:08:07

Museum of Jurassic Technology all the time.

1:08:09

Indian grocery store and restaurant. Yes. Yeah.

1:08:11

Yeah. And it fucking rips. There's also

1:08:13

an erotic bookstore across the street. That's

1:08:15

ripped bodice. It's one of my favorite

1:08:18

bookstores on earth. I love it. And

1:08:20

speaking of bookstores like that, I'll get

1:08:22

into it. Let's get into plugs. Austin,

1:08:24

Texas. I will be there next weekend

1:08:26

on 3. 14 March 14th at 2

1:08:29

p.m. I will be at Austin's new

1:08:31

romance bookstore, a place called Flutter. So

1:08:33

if you want to come just hang

1:08:35

out, say hi, shop with me, buy

1:08:37

dirty books, read dirty books, talk about

1:08:40

dirty books. I will be there at

1:08:42

2 p.m. on the 14th. I'm very

1:08:44

excited about it. If none of you

1:08:46

show up, I don't care. I'm still

1:08:48

going to go around buying dirty books.

1:08:50

So I'll have a good time anyway.

1:08:53

But Flutter in Austin and then if

1:08:55

you want to see me roast battle,

1:08:57

I'll be at the Mother Ship on

1:08:59

the Mother Ship on the 16th. and

1:09:01

then we'll be at Panic Fest the

1:09:04

week after. Yes, we surely will. I

1:09:06

will be blasting all of our socials

1:09:08

with that information because I dropped the

1:09:10

ball on it, but I feel like

1:09:12

most people who were gonna come knew

1:09:15

that it was gonna have, it just

1:09:17

happened every year. Tickets just went up

1:09:19

by the way, like only about a

1:09:21

week ago, so we're not that behind

1:09:23

the ball, but we are 7 p.m.

1:09:26

on the, I believe it's the 29th.

1:09:28

You can get tickets on Panic Fest's

1:09:30

website, both for the Fest itself, which

1:09:32

by the way there's a ton of

1:09:34

fucking incredible movies this year, where... actually

1:09:36

really excited to go see them, but

1:09:39

also you can get them. Our tickets

1:09:41

are our podcast on At Eventive underscore

1:09:43

org. They're separate from the festival badge.

1:09:45

We are a separate ticketed event. So

1:09:47

be sure to get those tickets. You

1:09:50

can also find them on the Screenland

1:09:52

Armour website as well. They do sell

1:09:54

out. They've sold out the last four

1:09:56

years in a row. So I would

1:09:58

say get them as soon as you

1:10:01

can. There will likely not be any

1:10:03

tickets at the door. At least there

1:10:05

have not been in recent years. So

1:10:07

be sure to get those. of time.

1:10:09

Yeah and we will put a link

1:10:11

in the description of this podcast episode

1:10:14

to make it a little bit easier

1:10:16

for you and I'll try to make

1:10:18

sure to put it in the links

1:10:20

for Cold Podcast on Instagram at Cold

1:10:22

Podcast Show on Twitter, etc. etc. Yeah.

1:10:25

Also, hey, if you want to find

1:10:27

me doing stuff, I'm at Mondo does

1:10:29

stuff. M-A-N-D-O does stuff. All one word.

1:10:31

Really, the big thing I want to

1:10:33

plug right now is Creator Camp. That

1:10:36

festival is going to be super cool

1:10:38

if you want to come see the

1:10:40

whole festival. It's like $50 for a

1:10:42

fest past, which is... Pretty cool. And

1:10:44

if you are an aspiring creator or

1:10:47

digital artist or influencer, I did, I'm

1:10:49

not laughing at you, I promise, just

1:10:51

don't describe yourself like that, please. But

1:10:53

if you are any of those things

1:10:55

and you would like to learn from

1:10:57

people that I was working with, there

1:11:00

are other festival passes available to where

1:11:02

people will be giving like full-on seminars

1:11:04

on how to do what they do,

1:11:06

and how to do what they do.

1:11:08

And a lot of the people there

1:11:11

were super cool, and I cannot tell

1:11:13

you how many times I would meet

1:11:15

somebody, hang out with them, become super

1:11:17

cool friends with them, and then be

1:11:19

like, oh, we should follow each other

1:11:22

on Instagram. And then both of us

1:11:24

would be like, I love your stuff.

1:11:26

I've seen your stuff. I love your

1:11:28

stuff. Which is very fun. So yeah.

1:11:30

Go follow me. That'll

1:11:32

be a good

1:11:35

place to do it.

1:11:37

I told you

1:11:39

where to follow us.

1:11:41

If you want

1:11:43

to send an email

1:11:46

to us, you

1:11:48

can hit us up

1:11:50

send an email gmail.com. hit

1:11:52

If you want to

1:11:54

send us something,

1:11:57

like perhaps your you

1:11:59

painting, us something, can they

1:12:01

send that page? painting.

1:12:03

You could send

1:12:05

haunted paintings to that page?

1:12:08

You could send haunted paintings to 3756

1:12:10

West Avenue, 40, K, number Los

1:12:12

Shining, Los Angeles, California, Please

1:12:14

don't do it, though.

1:12:16

Please. Please do. I'll

1:12:18

take your haunted

1:12:21

paintings. haunted And I

1:12:23

think for this one,

1:12:25

I'm going to

1:12:27

say this one, I'm going things

1:12:29

that you don't

1:12:32

know where they've come

1:12:34

from. you the provenance

1:12:36

of your drinks come

1:12:39

from. Like don't drink

1:12:41

the Kool -Aid. of

1:12:43

your drinks. And don't drink the

1:12:46

Kool-Aid. Bye.