Android OS development stays open while going private - DTNSB 4985

Android OS development stays open while going private - DTNSB 4985

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2:01

Daily Tech News for Thursday March 27th

2:04

2025. We tell you what you need

2:06

to know. Follow up on the context

2:08

of those stories and help each other

2:11

understand. Today we hear from Tom Merritt

2:13

about wires and we reach into the

2:15

mailbox for something from you. That's right.

2:18

Good to hear from Tom for a

2:20

change. I'm Jason Howell. Yeah that Tom

2:22

Merritt. I'm window at Dow. Let's start

2:24

with what you need to know with

2:27

the big story. And I gotta say,

2:29

when I saw this story, I was

2:31

like, oh my goodness, this has to

2:34

be the big story. It's perfect for

2:36

the two of us. We do a

2:38

podcast on Android called Android Faithful, of

2:41

course, with ET&S. And this falls right

2:43

in line. This is actually a pretty

2:45

interesting story to knock around Google, announced

2:47

a major change to how it develops

2:50

the Android operating system beginning next week.

2:52

all Android development will be moved to

2:54

Google's internal branches and away from the

2:57

public AOSP which stands for Android open

2:59

source project Garrett. So the shift is

3:01

intended to streamline the development process and

3:04

minimize the kinds of complications that can

3:06

occur within the maintenance of two separate

3:08

branches. You've got the public AOSP branch,

3:11

and then you've got Google's internal branch,

3:13

maintaining those two separate, one of them

3:15

being public, one of them being not

3:17

so public, can pose a lot of

3:20

problems. This is meant to address that.

3:22

Google has confirmed its commitment to keeping

3:24

Android open source by publishing new Android

3:27

releases and the Android Linux kernel fork.

3:29

publicly. The company does plan to reduce

3:31

its frequency in publishing that source code

3:34

though. They're moving from an ongoing public

3:36

development model to releasing the code only

3:38

when there's a new branch that has

3:41

those changes integrated. And that's what they

3:43

would go ahead and publish, you know,

3:45

just at that moment. So less updates

3:47

going out to the public as a

3:50

result as well. Google has a more

3:52

formal announcement supposedly of this change. that

3:54

is expected to drop later this week.

3:57

So we might find out a little

3:59

bit more about this. But I often

4:01

say on Android Faithful, because it's true,

4:04

I'm not a developer. This isn't the

4:06

sort of thing that I'm probably going

4:08

as a user going to see the

4:11

impacts of. I imagine most users probably

4:13

wouldn't even know that this happened. you

4:15

know if you're just using Android you're

4:17

probably not going to see or feel

4:20

the impacts you win I don't need

4:22

to tell you you are a developer

4:24

you already know this what do you

4:27

think from the developer perspective because you're

4:29

you're working a little bit closer to

4:31

kind of the impacts of a change

4:34

like this or does it not impact

4:36

your work much at all that's a

4:38

great question so I think just like

4:40

everything else it depends on the kind

4:43

of developer you are and where you

4:45

work. So I kind of wanted to

4:47

clarify a few things too is that

4:50

there were parts of Android OS that

4:52

were already developed in private and really

4:54

private just might kind of internally to

4:57

Google and I also kind of along

4:59

with that kind of want to talk

5:01

about the whole open source phrase right

5:04

so open source I think in the

5:06

simplest definition means a company will publish

5:08

the source code for their products so

5:10

in this case you know Android right

5:13

but there's also I think an entire

5:15

community a kind of even philosophy around

5:17

open source software where things are developed

5:20

in the open where you can see

5:22

each change all the discussions that go

5:24

in as they go in and I

5:27

think that something that we love and

5:29

I know like I think both of

5:31

us and many Android faithful fans love

5:34

is the open has been like the

5:36

traditional openness of Android there was transparency

5:38

there so I think to be fair

5:40

it's not that Google is not that

5:43

Android won't be will be closed source

5:45

it is still open source but if

5:47

you were a person that truly believes

5:50

in the philosophy of open source with

5:52

open development and transparency at all steps.

5:54

This is, this is, this is a,

5:57

this is bad or this is worse.

5:59

It's a change. It's a change. It's

6:01

Android becoming less open. So there, and

6:04

there were parts, and it's hard because

6:06

it's not just like a single repo,

6:08

it's a lot of different things. It's,

6:10

you know, it's, it's, it's hard to

6:12

define what Android is, right? There's like

6:14

the internal. OS itself. There's things like,

6:16

I think, Bluetooth and some other kind of

6:19

smaller systems that were their own repos, their

6:21

own little kind of like code stores. And

6:23

so a lot of these, some of these

6:25

things were publicly developed, like out in the

6:28

open on AOSP, some things were always internal.

6:30

For something like myself, like as a developer,

6:32

as like an app developer, I work on,

6:34

you know, like apps that normal people use.

6:37

the things that I care most about are

6:39

the tools that I use specifically. I don't

6:41

really muck in the OS itself. I work

6:43

on kind of like more the application layer

6:46

level and that's this thing called Android

6:48

X. That is in the open and

6:50

actually as I understand it listening to

6:52

some chatter on the grapevine from folks

6:54

at Google and other developers that actually

6:56

will continue to be in the open

6:58

that is a truly open source project.

7:00

So I think I think the impact

7:02

of this depends on who you are as a

7:04

developer, who you are as someone who

7:07

interacts with Android, but also like your

7:09

perception or your ideal on what open

7:11

source should be. So I think the

7:13

biggest impact of this change will be

7:15

on folks that are not part of

7:18

Google, that do not have some partnership

7:20

that involves GMS, so companies like Samsung

7:22

and things like that have partnerships with.

7:24

with Google directly, they still get access

7:26

to the internal branch because they, you

7:28

know, make their own flavors and and

7:31

they're part of like, you know, the

7:33

Android like ecosystem in the Android partnership.

7:35

So if you're a person who's third party,

7:37

you don't have any of these partnerships and

7:39

you want to contribute to AOSP Garrett, you

7:41

will not be able to do that anymore,

7:43

I believe. And that does suck because that

7:45

is that is genuinely taking away. another part

7:47

of the Android openness identity and that's not

7:49

a lot of people to be to be

7:51

fair I mean like and I give a

7:53

lot of credit to people that do because

7:55

this is like you know very complex that

7:57

has OS level code there it's not every

7:59

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so much more, so let's get to

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the briefs. Well, Nintendo is near release

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of a new feature called virtual game

15:25

cards, which is meant to make sporting

15:27

games between switch devices easier and in

15:29

a similar way to how physical cards

15:31

can be easily swapped between consoles. The

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new feature will be available in late

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April and allows players to migrate games

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between devices given that they first connect

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to each other locally to authenticate. The

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new feature will also enable players to

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lend games to other players in their

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Nintendo family group or on a local

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Wi-Fi for 14 days. There you go.

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That's nice. I think I think players

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have been wanting this for a very

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long time, especially parents that don't want

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to have them. by the same game

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for different kids in their family group.

16:01

And now they can share them. They've

16:03

just got 14 days to swap back

16:05

and forth. So good move, especially on

16:08

the heels of a switch to coming

16:10

down the pipeline. Absolutely. And it kind

16:12

of just makes me nostalgic for the

16:14

days where you would like rent a

16:16

cartridge from blockbuster when they existed and

16:18

or even just like literally just handing

16:20

a plastic cartridge over to a friend

16:22

and switching one over. I love this.

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There's so many layers to this. Good

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for good for consumers and good for

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nostalgia. Indeed. American support for

16:30

the TikTok ban appears to

16:32

be losing steam according to

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a survey of more than

16:36

5,000 US adults by Pew

16:38

Research Center 34% of respondents

16:41

support the ban that's down

16:43

from 50% in a similar

16:45

study by Pew in 2023

16:47

32% opposed the ban now

16:49

compared to 22% in 2023

16:51

so more people opposing it

16:53

those drops were consistent across

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party lines as well perhaps

16:57

Unsurprisingly, non-users of TikTok were four

16:59

times as likely to support the

17:01

ban than non-users. TikTok faces in

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April 19th deadline, but many expect

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the deadline to get an extension

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by the U.S. President if a

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buyer for the app isn't secured

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in time. Well, the Vivaldi browser now

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integrates Proton VPN for free

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when logged into a Vivaldi

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account. So Desktop users will

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between five randomly selected countries

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and speed will be throttled

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to the medium setting. Though

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users can upgrade to a

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paid Proton VPN account for

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$10 a month to remove

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those limitations. Vivaldi hopes to

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add free VPN support to

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his mobile browser sometime in

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the future. Yay. But I also, I always, I

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can't help it. I always feel a little weird

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about a free VPN, even though I love that

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they exist, but I'm always like, okay, yeah, but

17:49

like, how is it free? Just tell me how

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it's right. What's, what's, what's, what do, what

17:53

am I actually paying? Or what is the

17:56

actual cost rather? Exactly. There's cost in

17:58

there somewhere. What is it? In the

18:00

two days since Open AI introduced its

18:02

image generation update to ChatGPT40, social media

18:05

has been inundated, maybe you've seen it,

18:07

with meme content fashioned after all sorts

18:09

of styles, including a large influx of

18:12

art resembling the style of Studio Ghibli,

18:14

it has prompted fresh debate around the

18:16

lack of copyright protection as it relates

18:19

to an artist's style. Open AI told

18:21

Tech Crunch that it will not replicate,

18:23

quote, the style of individual living artists.

18:26

but is capable of replicating, quote, broader

18:28

studio styles. And that kind of explains

18:30

why we're seeing so many, you know,

18:33

in the style of Studio Ghibli and

18:35

other things. But I was playing around

18:37

with it this morning. You can get

18:40

it to do way more than I

18:42

think you've been able to with most

18:44

of these models in the past. It's

18:47

pretty interesting. I kind of get what

18:49

they're trying to say, but I still

18:51

feel like there's something to be said

18:53

about. And I get individual, they're making

18:56

just things to make individual artists in

18:58

like a studio style. But if this

19:00

is not saying Art Deco, or I

19:03

don't know, like a, I don't know,

19:05

50s, like, you know, sitcom kind of

19:07

style, this is like a very specific

19:10

studio with a very distinctive style that

19:12

is still making cut? Like, I don't

19:14

know. I... Yeah, I think copyright law

19:17

is going to get interesting as these

19:19

court battles, you know, find their kind

19:21

of destination and where they settle. It

19:24

can be really interesting in the next

19:26

couple of years. We're going to see,

19:28

you know, either it's going to reinforce

19:31

what already exists as business as usual

19:33

or really change things. And who knows

19:35

how that's going to go. New trip

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planning features are rolling out across Google

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Search Maps and Gemini on mobile and

19:42

Desktop. AI overviews now offer trip itinerary

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planning capabilities with direct export to docs,

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Gmail, and maps. Google is also adding

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hotel price tracking to its alerts feature

19:51

joining flight price tracking capability. Maps will

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also be able to analyze your screenshots

19:56

for destinations that you've saved then can

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be a... identified and added to a

20:01

list for planning a future trip. Google

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is saying, you need to get out

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more. Let me help you. You're right,

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Google. I do need to get out

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more. You know, stop staring at pictures

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yes, I will I can't click the

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buy button. You're gonna have to do

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that, but I'll get you close Oracle

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maintains no breach involving its cloud federated

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S. O log-in servers has occurred while

20:28

a threat actor named Rose 87 168

20:31

claims to have stolen six million records

20:33

including encrypted S. S. S. O and

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Eldat passwords. The threat actor also listed

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140, 621 impacted domains in the domains

20:40

in the incident. researchers have confirmed the

20:42

authenticity of the leaked data samples with

20:45

impacted companies, while the hacker has provided

20:47

proof of access by uploading a file

20:49

to Oracle's server. Oracle still kind of

20:52

mum on this, but it kind of

20:54

looked like it probably happened. Well, Invidia

20:56

has launched G-Assist, an experimental AI chatbot

20:59

designed for gamers, which runs locally on

21:01

GPUs instead of relying on cloud servers.

21:03

It is capable of optimizing system and

21:06

game settings like GPU overclocking and making

21:08

peripheral lighting adjustments, as well as monitoring

21:10

performance all through voice and text commands.

21:13

It currently requires an RTX 30, 30,

21:15

40, or 50 series GPO with a

21:17

minimum of 12 gigabytes of B-ram. That's

21:19

something that I actually really like about

21:22

that the direction of AI right now

21:24

and AI chat bots with control over

21:26

system settings because it's like I hate

21:29

diving into system settings to like try

21:31

and find the one page that does

21:33

the thing that I'm looking for like

21:36

just I want to ask the thing

21:38

that I'm looking for like just I

21:40

want to ask for the thing that

21:43

I need to be done and have

21:45

it be done that with that's that's

21:47

a world I can live in. I

21:50

like that and with the convenience of

21:52

voice and text commands I've been like,

21:54

okay girl, you need to slow down

21:57

a little bit, let's turn that down,

21:59

but I'll turn the lights up on

22:01

for you so you can feel like

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I'm moving really fast with those peripheral

22:06

lighting. I am all for this, I

22:08

told you, this is like a great,

22:10

great use case for AI systems 100%.

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new feature to roll out to select

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retailers in the coming weeks and more

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broadly in the US and Canada throughout

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2025. Oh man, I needed this like

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three weeks ago because because of all

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having, there's literally no chicken on the

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shelf. So thank you Instacart. Well, those

22:48

are the essentials for today. Let's dive

22:50

a little deeper in the ongoing stories

22:52

and follow up. You may have thought

22:54

because Tom is traveling that you aren't

22:57

going to hear from him for a

22:59

couple of weeks, but you are wrong.

23:01

Have you ever wondered how you're able

23:04

to send information over all the wires

23:06

that connect your devices? Well, it turns

23:08

out it's because of our love of

23:11

animals. And Tom has how why that

23:13

is. Johan Winkler believed animals had souls.

23:15

If he didn't. You might not be

23:18

able to plug in a keyboard or

23:20

charge a phone. Hear me out. Winkler

23:22

was born in 1703 in what is

23:25

now Poland at the time it was

23:27

part of the Habsburg monarchy of Austria.

23:29

But he made his name in Leipzig

23:32

Saxony. We're starting in 1731. He taught

23:34

philosophy at St. Thomas School. It's one

23:36

of the oldest schools in the world.

23:39

And he worked there with its musical

23:41

director. Some of you may have heard

23:43

of him. Johann Sebastian Bach. Bach. Bach.

23:45

Suffice to say, Winkler was a thinker.

23:48

He wrote a series of essays and

23:50

eventually a whole textbook arguing that animals

23:52

have intelligence. and possess souls, and therefore,

23:55

humans should not be permitted to torment

23:57

them. This is in the 1700s, right?

23:59

So what does this have to do

24:02

with your USB charger? Winkler was also

24:04

one of many people at the time

24:06

who experimented with something called a laden

24:09

jar battery, L-E-Y-D-N. It was originally just

24:11

a jar half filled with water with

24:13

a metal spike going through a lid

24:16

made of something non-conductive, like cork. It

24:18

could collect electric charge so you could

24:20

use it later. Now mind you, electricity

24:23

is a toy. It's not what it

24:25

is now. At this point, people just

24:27

play around with it. And before the

24:30

laden jar, you could only get electricity

24:32

by rubbing two things together like wool

24:34

or rubber, but now you could do

24:36

that and store it. So when you

24:39

rubbed your wool together, the electricity just

24:41

didn't dissipate, you could store it in

24:43

the jar. Basically, the laden jar was

24:46

the iPhone of 1744. Anybody with an

24:48

ounce of curiosity wanted to play with

24:50

one, and Winkler was no exception. The

24:53

problem was to get the electricity out

24:55

of the bottle, you had to use

24:57

your skin. And like any early adopter,

25:00

Winkler was like, I bet I can

25:02

find a workaround to that. After a

25:04

fever, two bloody noses and convincing his

25:07

wife to try it. after which she

25:09

became so weak she could barely walk,

25:11

he decided, maybe I'll try another way.

25:14

So he started looking around to see

25:16

what other folks were doing, and he

25:18

read that somebody in Berlin had used

25:21

a bird to conduct the electricity out

25:23

of the jar. But that had caused

25:25

the bird much pain, and Winkler was

25:27

not about to inflict harm on an

25:30

animal in place of himself, or apparently

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his wife. So he decided, I will

25:34

figure something else out. And he hit

25:37

on it. Winkler used a piece of

25:39

metal. and an iron chain that wrapped

25:41

around the jar. When the electricity went

25:44

into the jar, it came out through

25:46

the chain, onto the metal, and then

25:48

transmitted sparks in a line, like lightning.

25:51

Apparently it could be seen up to

25:53

50 yards away. So a little light

25:55

show on top of it. The significance,

25:58

though, was the amount of electricity. and

26:00

the removal of a human or bird

26:02

from the process. He kept at it,

26:04

improving it, using a 15

26:07

meter chain and the plus

26:09

river to complete the circuit,

26:11

and he eventually expanded that

26:13

to five jars connected by

26:15

the chains to create one

26:18

of the earliest reproducible electrostatic

26:20

batteries. But it was the

26:22

links and the ability to connect

26:24

the jars that eventually led to

26:26

the use of metal wires So

26:28

how do we get from electricity

26:30

running through wires? To me being

26:32

able to plug in my keyboard

26:35

to my computer Okay, for that

26:37

we're gonna have to jump a

26:39

hundred years later than Winkler Britain's

26:41

William Cook and Charles Wheatstone developed

26:43

the first commercial telegraph. They demonstrated

26:45

it on the London and Birmingham

26:47

railway. It had a complex system

26:49

of needles that were moved by

26:51

electromagnetic coils to point to letters on

26:53

a board, right? So the signal would

26:55

come in and based on the electromagnetism

26:57

point to a W and then an

26:59

H and then a Y. But that was

27:01

a lot of wires. It would be much cheaper

27:04

and telegraphs could be stretched over

27:06

much longer spaces. if you could

27:08

just use one wire instead of

27:10

using a bunch of different wires

27:12

for different letters. Enter into our

27:14

story, Samuel Morse, an artist, returning

27:16

to the United States by ship

27:18

from Europe when he met a

27:20

man who knew all about electromagnets.

27:23

You know, these ships take a

27:25

long time, so you end up

27:27

talking to people and Morse got

27:29

so taken. by the technology

27:31

of electromagnetism that he

27:33

set aside his painting

27:35

and developed a single-wire

27:38

telegraph system. He used

27:40

the on-again, off-again nature

27:42

of electricity to basically create

27:45

a way to do a

27:47

single-wire system of communication. He

27:49

caused an indentation to be

27:51

made on paper when the

27:53

electricity was on, and then

27:55

of course there was a gap when

27:58

it was off. Morse's original version. only

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