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Get out there. Get your nose out of that screen. Live life. Don’t be afraid of being afraid. Dave talks with Nick Thiel (@nickthiel) about those tenets and the importance of having fun at work, knowing how the sausage is made, how interactions with “creative folk” can be the highlight of someone’s day, and so much more. Enjoy listening, tell your friends, and take a moment to rate the show, we’d appreciate your support.