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Hello and welcome to Daybreak. I'm Rahil
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and in this episode, we dive into
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three big stories from the world of business
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and tech this week. First,
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what ITC's acquisition of 24 Mantra
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means for the organic food
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market in India. Next, Musk's
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latest attempt to save Tesla.
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And finally, why blue smarts
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unraveling was an eventuality we
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all chose to ignore. When
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the Tata Group acquired FabIndia -owned
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Organic India last year, a
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lot of people were a little surprised by the
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deal. Yes, Organic
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India is among the oldest organic food
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companies in the country, but despite
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being in the business nearly three decades,
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it was barely profitable. And
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yet, Tata Consumer Products Limited
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was willing to pay close to
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2 ,000 crore rupees to acquire
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it. That's nearly six times
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the brand's sales in FY24. Now,
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if you asked an analyst at the
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time, they would likely tell you that despite
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all of that, Tata's decision was an
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absolute master stroke, because it would give
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it a head start in a business that
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was on the verge of a massive
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breakthrough. So, why
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then, almost exactly a year
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later, was ITC able to acquire
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Sreshta Natural Bioproducts, which is
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the owner of 24 Mantra Organic,
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another one of India's oldest
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and best known organic food brands?
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for a mere 470 crore
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rupees. For context, that's just about
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1 .6 times the brand sales.
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It seems like a steal compared to the Tata
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Organic India deal, don't you think? And
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you're probably wondering now, how did they
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manage to pull that off? Has the
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organic food industry taken a turn for the
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worse in recent months? Or
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was Tata's assessment last year completely
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wrong? Well, no.
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In fact, anything but. When
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the Ken's deputy editor, Sita Ramanji, spoke
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to Srishtha's founder, Rajyakar Reddy Silam,
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he said, now is as good a
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time as any for the likes
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of 24 Mantra. He largely credited quick
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commerce for that. You see, through
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instant grocery delivery, these
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brands have finally found
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a distribution channel that is
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in price -sensitive supermarkets or
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fatigue -inducing e -commerce marketplaces. But
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despite his optimism, the
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numbers tell a different story.
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After a sharp rise in FY21,
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when consumers cooped up at home wanted
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to eat better, 24 Mantra's
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annual sales have been largely
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flat ever since. They stand at
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around 300 to 320 crore
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rupees. Now one reason for
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that is that a lot of buyers
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have gone back to purchasing conventional
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grains, pulses, oils, things like that. But
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the other reason is that the
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state -run apex body for farm exports
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decided to suspend half a dozen
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certification agencies out of a total
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of 20. The move,
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along with the export bans
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on wheat and sugar and
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the US's anti -dumping policy on
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soymeal, halved India's annual organic
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exports to under $500 million
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in the three years ending
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FY24. What could have
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also worked to ITC's advantage is
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that 24 mantras investors must have
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been quite eager for an exit
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after its listing plans fell through.
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Venture East and People Capital,
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which control three quarters of the
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company, have been 24 mantras
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backers since 2007 and 2011 respectively.
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That's an eternity in the venture
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capital universe. But
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if you're thinking, hey, organic India must
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be thriving. Well, think
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again. Its performance is just
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as underwhelming. Its sales have
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been falling steadily and even though its
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margins are better than 24 mantras,
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Tata consumer has probably realized by now
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that it was a little too
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generous with its offer. Here's
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a worrying stat. Neither of these two
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brands, despite being the oldest and most
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well -known in the country, have been able
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to reach 500 crore rupees in sales. Let's
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try and unpack why that might be the
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case. Perhaps it's because
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even the elite, the money class,
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don't think that these products are
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worth the 60 -70 % premiums they
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command over their more affordable alternatives. There's
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also the fact that there isn't
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full clarity on just how organic
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these products really are. But
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perhaps that's where the backing of
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powerhouses like Tata and ITC
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will help. Because on their
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own, organic India and 24 Mantra
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couldn't afford to decrease that premium. But
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now they might, at least to some extent. It's
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not just about a more efficient
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shop floor and squeezing some margins
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from retailers. Scaling this
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business means ridding thousands of
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acres of farmland of synthetic
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agri -input residues. That is at
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least a three -year process. This
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also means persuading more cultivators to
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make that switch, which would require
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a growing base of shoppers to
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willingly fill their carts with more
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organic food. And that will definitely
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take a while. Next
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up, the latest on Tesla and
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Elon Musk. Tesla
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boss Elon Musk has been in
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the dog house or should I
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say the doge house for quite
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a while now. You see, business
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has not been looking good. Just
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this week, Tesla reported a 20 %
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drop in car sales for the first
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three months of the year compared
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with the same period last year. Meanwhile,
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profits have dropped more than 70%. Investors
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aren't happy because in the process, naturally,
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they have lost a lot of money
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too. And a big reason for
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that has been Musk's extracurriculars. His
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political leanings have worldwide protests
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and boycotts of Tesla
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cars. Just to jog your
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memory, Musk, who also happens to be
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the richest person in the world, contributed
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more than a quarter of a billion
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dollars to Trump's re -election campaign last
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year. And then we all know
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how he went on to lead the
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freshly minted Department for Government Efficiency, or
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DOGE, last year. Recently, the
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company warned its investors to brace
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themselves for some more losses. They
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blamed the quote -unquote changing political
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sentiment, saying that it will
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likely hurt demand. Off
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late, Musk and the Trump administration have
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been at odds over the much -talked -about
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tariff war between the US and China. You
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see, Trump's exorbitant tariffs on China
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are weighing quite heavily on Tesla.
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While, yes, Tesla vehicles are assembled
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in the US, several parts are
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actually made in China. So this
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rapidly evolving trade policy is going
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to hurt its supply chain and
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in the process increase costs quite
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substantially. which explains why Musk
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went ahead and made a rather
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unexpected announcement at his company's earnings
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call this week. So
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Musk basically said he would cut back
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his work for President Trump to
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a day or two a week. Now,
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interestingly enough, Musk has previously said
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that he would not join his company's
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earnings calls unless he had something
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to say. And well, this time around,
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he definitely had something to say. that
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this year will
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probably be some unexpected bumps
8:00
this year. He's been
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getting a lot of criticism for his
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work with Doge. Remember, this is the
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body responsible for showing thousands of federal
8:09
government employees the door within the first
8:11
month of Trump's presidency. On
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its website, it claims that its
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cuts have led to an
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estimated $160 billion in savings. Meanwhile,
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over the same stretch, Tesla
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has lost roughly $600 billion in
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market cap. Now, the
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good news for Tesla is that Musk's
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little announcement seemed to have worked, at least
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in the short term. The
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automaker's shares rose nearly 8 %
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on Wednesday. But it's
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going to take a lot more than that to
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undo all the damage of the past year. Next
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up, the unraveling of BlueSmart. Earlier
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this week, BlueSmart informed customers
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that it was temporarily pausing
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operations. Now, we could
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talk about what SEBI discovered in
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its investigation or the arcane methods
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of how Blue Smart's founders orchestrated
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the scheme, but frankly, that is
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far less interesting. Instead, it's
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the broader response to this that's much
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more fun to talk about. The
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response to news about the Blue
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Smart collapse has been strikingly consistent. In
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some ways, Indian businesses, startups
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and media personalities have
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built and monetised a content
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economy that's ultimately conformist,
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unremarkable and post -hoc. Praveen
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Gopal Krishnan explores how in this
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week's The Nutcraft. Check it out. Thousands
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of full -time employees at companies
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opened LinkedIn on one tab,
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fired up chat GPT on
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the other, and wrote bullet
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-pointed, neatly sectioned lessons, takeaways,
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and cautionary tales about what
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BlueSmart's fall meant for the
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rest of us. The
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takes were startlingly
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indisputable. Corporate governance
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is important. BlueSmart
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was loved by customers. Instances
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like this will hurt legitimate
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businesses. India is a
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low trust society. This is
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a reality check for the ecosystem. Systemic
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issues, structural problems,
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trust is everything. And
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of course, there's a stupid
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AI -generated image attached to the
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post. There
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were responses from other founders
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who said equally tried things. Aman
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Gupta, co -founder and CEO
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of BOT, wrote his incontestable
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opinion about the blue smart
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saga. Build
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not just fast, but right. Close
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quote. Pathbreaking.
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As if the alternate was what everyone
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else was doing. Sabir
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Bhatia, co -founder of Hotmail, wrote that
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the media, quote, shouldn't
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vilify all founders over one
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case. Close quote. As
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if India's business media has
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ever preemptively vilified a single
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startup founder over any case,
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any time, anywhere. Who
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exactly is disagreeing with any
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of these opinions? Then
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there are the I guessed as much
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but I chose to say nothing opinions. Lesson
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known CEOs came out of the
11:08
woodwork to say, I always thought
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something was off about Bluesmart. VC
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stopped recording their techno euphoria podcast
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with their portfolio founders for a
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moment to say, they came
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to me for funding but I
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passed. Again. Nobody
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can corroborate or disagree with any
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of this. In some
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ways, Indian business startups and
11:30
media personalities have built and monetized
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a content economy that's ultimately, conformist,
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unremarkable and post -hoc. YouTube
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channels talk about master strokes
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and genius plans of companies only
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after the event and almost
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never before. VCs
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and founders sit together and talk about how
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the future market for their businesses are
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going to be wonderful and amazing. One
11:53
random company releases a studio
11:55
Ghibli image generator and in a
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few hours, everyone is in
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on the trend. The discourse
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on Indian startups is to be
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as non -controversial as possible. When
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everyone agrees that something is on
12:08
the way up, people rush
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to make content about it. And
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suddenly, overnight, When it
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becomes apparent that the thing is on its way
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down, everyone jumps on
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it to make content about
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it. The smart ones make money
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across both sides of the curve, up
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and down. All content
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is created on
12:29
uncontestable things. All
12:32
monetization and status comes
12:34
from saying things
12:36
nobody can disagree with. The
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unfortunate part of this is that I don't
12:41
expect any of this to change. Just
12:43
take BlueSmart. Bluesmart was an
12:45
organization that was clearly involved in some
12:47
shady stuff. And yet, think
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about all the people who
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probably guessed that something was off about
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Bluesmart but didn't say a word
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about it. I'm not
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even expecting Bluesmart's co -founders, board members
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or VCs to speak up. But
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I'm finding it hard to
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imagine why there wasn't one
13:07
YouTube content creator, one newsletter
13:09
writer, or one LinkedIn poster
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who suggested in the last
13:13
year that maybe Blue Smart
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isn't such a great business after
13:17
all. Daybreak
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