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We're headed all the way

2:29

out. to this laboratory. We get there, we're

2:32

all putting on our white coats and

2:34

stuff like that, we're walking on in

2:36

to this facility. And we walk in,

2:38

and there's a bunch of scientists walking

2:40

around, you know, carrying beakers and

2:42

stuff. There's some dude standing there,

2:45

giving a presentation. He's like, if you

2:47

add this soda to these mentors, we

2:49

just keep on walking, we're people laughing.

2:51

They're like, well, I didn't know, you

2:54

can make soda explode. We're like, watch

2:56

YouTubeured. We're walking through the scientists laboratory

2:58

walking by we see this guy

3:00

he's building like a skateboard and

3:03

he's like if my calculations are

3:05

correct I will fall off the

3:07

skateboard and injure myself terribly whoa

3:09

falls down breaks his butt bone you

3:11

look on the whiteboard he had diagram

3:13

the exact same thing he's all Eureka

3:15

I knew that what happened well we're

3:18

continuing to walk through this

3:20

laboratory eventually we get to a place

3:22

where the like the lights a bit dimmer it's

3:24

a little spookier in this section

3:26

of the lab. Like, oh,

3:28

that's weird. Why is it

3:30

so creepy back here?

3:32

We push open the door.

3:34

And we look down this

3:37

long hallway, lights are

3:39

flickering, just, just, just,

3:42

like, oh, this must be

3:44

where the mad scientists

3:46

live. Or work, right? They don't

3:49

live there, but maybe they're so

3:51

crazy they actually do. This

3:53

is where even science fears

3:56

to tread, a place beyond the

3:58

logic, beyond math. We are officially

4:00

in the realm of the mad

4:03

scientists. And we're looking through

4:05

the windows as we pass

4:07

laboratories, we see this man being

4:09

strapped down to a table. He's

4:11

like, no, I'm a scientist, just

4:13

like you, I swear. And they start

4:15

cutting his eyeballs out. He's like,

4:18

ah. What science does that involve?

4:20

My hypothesis is that the scalpel

4:22

will easily cut through human eyeballs.

4:25

Eureka! We're like, oh my God.

4:27

This place is terrifying. We're walking,

4:29

we're looking on in, we see a guy's

4:32

brain being put into the body of a

4:34

monkey. But because these are mad

4:36

scientists, they're putting inside the monkey's

4:38

foot, so they're like, if I

4:40

get the wiring correct, it won't

4:43

matter where the brain goes. They're

4:45

doing all sorts of hideous experiments

4:47

back here, and then we see

4:49

this door, this big door, and on

4:51

it is three names. Allegedly, you're

4:54

like, Jason, there's a way to

4:56

tell the story that won't get you

4:58

in legal trouble. I don't think these

5:00

people qualify as mad scientists. This is

5:03

a report that was published in MIT

5:05

Technology Review. But for illustrative purposes,

5:07

allegedly, there's no legal ramifications. You

5:09

can't sue me because I said

5:11

that on this door, it's emblazoned

5:13

with three names. Carson, this name

5:15

sounds made up, to be honest.

5:17

I think it's a pin name.

5:19

But apparently there's a

5:22

scientist named Carston

5:24

T. Charles Worth. The other scientist

5:26

guy is Henry T. Greeley.

5:28

And then you have hero

5:31

Mitsu Nakayuchi. So I don't

5:33

even know they're they're their

5:35

real names, right? You can't

5:37

sue me if the fake

5:40

name really changes. They're real

5:42

names. And over the door

5:44

it says we are the

5:46

maddest scientists of all. Beware. if

5:48

you enter here. We walk in. This

5:50

was a story I read recently

5:53

in MIT Technology Review

5:55

where you have these three

5:57

scientists who are making a

5:59

profit. And you may go Jason,

6:01

they're actually not mad scientists. They're

6:03

not doing this currently And I

6:06

actually think there's some big questions

6:08

and then there's even bigger questions

6:10

involved in this story Like there's the

6:13

surface level questions, but then the more

6:15

I think about it because it's just

6:17

kind of been stuck in my head for a

6:19

bit I'm really curious to hear what you

6:21

guys think We're now in the laboratory

6:23

of these three star craving lunatics so

6:25

crazy. They can't hire a lawyer In their

6:28

laboratory, we see this

6:30

nearly endless hallway full

6:32

of cloning tanks. We're like,

6:34

what? And we see them. Some of

6:36

them just have a tiny

6:39

little baby floating around in

6:41

them. Like a tube full of

6:43

goo. When you see this baby

6:45

flowing around in them. And

6:47

then the tubes get bigger and

6:49

we see full adult people floating

6:52

in these tubes. And you go,

6:54

Jason, we gotta rescue these guys.

6:56

Look at look at them. Well,

6:58

maybe not the babies. They might

7:00

need to be in the tube

7:02

for a while. You're like, maybe

7:04

we can free some of these

7:06

adults and you start running over

7:08

and you're like pressing the

7:11

buttons on the tank on the

7:13

incubation chamber. And I'm like,

7:15

no, don't do that. Don't do

7:17

that, bro. You have no idea

7:19

what... It's really bad, and I'm

7:21

sure it does. I'm like, yeah,

7:23

that's why I stood away. But

7:25

also, look, and you see the

7:28

man that you just freed from

7:30

this giant tube, this giant

7:32

growth tube, laying on the ground,

7:35

and he's looking up at

7:37

you and he's all, ooh. And

7:39

you're like, whoa, dude, what

7:41

happened at that time? He

7:43

has been in a giant

7:45

tube full of fluid for

7:47

his entire life. You could kind of

7:50

make it hard to have some social skills.

7:52

I don't think you would have the best

7:54

grasp of the English language or any language

7:56

for that matter. Yes, he looks like a

7:58

full grow and healthy adult. But his brain

8:01

is totally messed up. Not just

8:03

because he's spent his entire life

8:05

in a tube, but they made him that

8:07

way. And I'm like poking him in

8:09

the nose. I'm like, look, he's not

8:11

saying, telling me to stop. He's not

8:14

even trying to swat it away. I'm

8:16

kind of like slapping his head back

8:18

and forth. I'm like, look, he's not

8:21

even bothered by this as a tear

8:23

wells up in his... So here's the

8:25

thing. Let me just get to the

8:27

story. Would you feel good slap in

8:29

one of these guys? These three

8:32

scientists, Charles Worth, Greeley,

8:34

and Nakauchi, have said,

8:36

and this is a legit concern,

8:39

they said in this report, they

8:41

go, listen, when we want to

8:43

advance a new medicine or a

8:45

new cure or something like that,

8:48

we find... Tons of them work

8:50

in the animal kingdom. You're

8:52

often seeing these research papers

8:54

put out saying we have

8:56

had a breakthrough in HIV prevention.

8:59

We figured out a way

9:01

to reverse the aging process.

9:03

We figured out a treatment

9:05

for Alzheimer's or cancer or

9:07

any of these other diseases

9:10

or conditions that plague

9:12

humanity. But how often are

9:14

they ever used on humans? They

9:16

said it's actually... pretty rare. You

9:18

hear about the breakthrough in mice

9:21

or pigs or some other animal

9:23

and then there's so many steps

9:25

in between that and getting to

9:27

use in humans, even human trials,

9:30

that most of them never get

9:32

to that stage. They have to go

9:34

through all these different trials in

9:37

the animal kingdom and sometimes

9:39

you may get it to the

9:41

human stage and it just doesn't

9:43

work the same way for people.

9:45

But we have these cures we're

9:47

working on. But it's very rare to even

9:49

get them to the human stage. And

9:51

when we do get them to the human

9:53

stage, and if they don't work, we have

9:55

to go back to square. One day go,

9:58

it's all of these regulations and everything. It

10:00

is great that mice and pigs

10:02

and monkeys we can use these

10:04

things, use these animals to help

10:07

cure humans, but it is such

10:09

a long process. And it doesn't

10:11

always work. If we could, I'm

10:13

putting words in their mouth

10:16

for this second sentence, but

10:18

if we could test these

10:20

drugs and these treatments on

10:22

humans earlier... We could

10:24

actually use them to save lives,

10:27

but nobody wants to actually

10:29

start testing humans with a brand

10:31

new drug. We understand that.

10:33

I totally get that as well. I

10:35

totally understand that if you go I

10:37

have a theory that this drug will

10:39

work You don't immediately want

10:42

to jump to human trials These

10:44

three authors also said listen. It's

10:46

not cool that we use animals

10:48

for this either like We understand

10:50

that that's the only way to get

10:52

started. Yes But it's not

10:55

super ethical that these animals

10:57

have to be used for

10:59

scientific testing as well. But even

11:01

in most scenarios, you choose, you

11:03

go, well, you know, these animals

11:05

have feelings too. These animals have

11:07

an existence to consider as well.

11:09

But we use them on animals.

11:12

We use these new drugs on

11:14

animals. We end up killing a

11:16

lot of animals to develop this drug

11:18

and then we can't get it into

11:20

humans to begin with. All that

11:23

testing was for nothing. All those animals died

11:25

because we tested it on them and

11:27

not because they died because of the drug,

11:29

but we tested it and then we had

11:31

to dissect them to see how it affected

11:34

their organs, their liver, and all that

11:36

stuff. It's a very, very long process

11:38

and that's just for curing people for

11:40

developing these drugs. They go when you

11:43

look at organ transfers, organ donations, it's

11:45

a whole other big issue. Because

11:47

yes, while some human organs can be

11:50

replaced with animal organs, for the most

11:52

part, I mean that's super risky

11:54

already. And they're still testing a

11:56

lot of stuff of that. They go for

11:58

the most part you need it. human organ

12:00

to be donated for another human

12:03

habit and there's a way bigger

12:05

need for healthy organs than there

12:07

is a supply. So that all

12:09

being the setup, the three authors

12:11

of this review said we need

12:13

to start looking at the fact

12:15

they go the science is not

12:17

completely there yet but it's getting

12:19

closer and closer every day. We

12:21

really need to start understanding and

12:23

researching and looking into the consideration

12:25

of cloning humans. specifically for medical

12:27

reasons. They said what we need

12:29

to do, or we need to

12:31

look at the feasibility of, because

12:33

this might be the only answer,

12:36

is using artificial wounds, which do

12:38

exist now, and using stem cells,

12:40

what you would need to do

12:42

first off is you would need

12:44

to modify the genetics of this

12:46

bodyoid, which is kind of the

12:48

slang term for this, and you

12:50

grow them in an artificial womb.

12:52

So there's no human contact with

12:54

this bodyoid. It's not actually inside

12:56

of a woman growing over the

12:58

course of months. It'll be in

13:00

this artificial womb. And you also

13:02

have to, they say, go in

13:04

and change the genetics. You have

13:06

to do some little genetic engineering

13:09

to stunt brain production. They said

13:11

this will not be a sentient

13:13

human. It will be a human

13:15

body. It'll have to be a

13:17

full human body because we need

13:19

the organs. That's one of the

13:21

reasons why they're looking at this.

13:23

But we could grow human organs

13:25

in a laboratory. You don't want

13:27

to clone a human and then

13:29

jump out of the tube and

13:31

they're like, life. This is what

13:33

it feels like to stand in

13:35

the world. I can sing, I

13:37

have a voice. And then you're

13:39

like cutting their hearts out. Because

13:42

you do that already. That's already

13:44

happening. We'll get to that story

13:46

in a second. They said you

13:48

would have to make it so

13:50

the bodies have no consciousness. no

13:52

sentience. It would still have to

13:54

have a brain though because the

13:56

other thing you would use these

13:58

bodies for would be for testing

14:00

medicine. If you have something and

14:02

you go this might help alleviate

14:04

the pain associated with this particular

14:06

type of cancer or this might

14:08

be a cure for cancer you

14:10

would take a bodyoid and you

14:12

would have to induce cancer in

14:15

it. I don't know how you

14:17

would do that way. You're like,

14:19

well, I guess you're going to

14:21

hang out at the x-ray machine

14:23

all day you're carrying around. This

14:25

human that has no sentience, you

14:27

just park them outside the hospital

14:29

right next to the x-ray machine,

14:31

it would be much easier if

14:33

you go, well, will this help

14:35

prevent AIDS? So you would give

14:37

these bodyoids AIDS. And then you

14:39

would inject them with the medicine

14:41

and you would just wait. And

14:43

you just all sitting around watching

14:46

television, you're all kicking the body.

14:48

You got AIDS yet, buddy? God,

14:50

come on, man, I gotta get

14:52

home. You would give the potyoid

14:54

AIDS or whatever disease, right? And

14:56

then you can test the medicine

14:58

and see how it would work.

15:00

So it's not like they could

15:02

just clone a human torso with

15:04

no brain. If you'd wanted to

15:06

have arms and legs too, because

15:08

what if you invent this medicine,

15:10

you're like, hey everyone, this medicine

15:12

is going to make it to

15:14

Alzheimer's, it doesn't exist anymore. And

15:16

it was like, yay. And then

15:19

people take it in their arms

15:21

and legs fall. They're just the

15:23

torso. They're like, what? Well, I

15:25

remember everything. I especially remember having

15:27

arms and legs. Scientists is like,

15:29

yeah, we probably should have kept

15:31

the limbs on those bodyoids. You'd

15:33

have to keep it as a

15:35

full human. a bucket of body

15:37

parts, you wouldn't know how the

15:39

medicine would affect other parts of

15:41

the body. And you go to

15:43

Jason, well obviously you seem to

15:45

be kind of against this whole

15:47

thing, because you're just kind of

15:49

making fun of it. Well here's

15:52

the thing, you called the mad

15:54

scientist. I think you called them

15:56

lunatics at some point. I kind

15:58

of have mixed feelings about this

16:00

story. It's really interesting. They're saying

16:02

if we don't, if they're saying

16:04

if these bodies don't have sentience,

16:06

then they're basically meat bags. Not

16:08

their words, not their words, but

16:10

they're basically a human body with

16:12

no consciousness. Not like a human

16:14

body who used to be alive,

16:16

you got bonked in the head,

16:18

and now they're in a lifelong

16:20

coma. These guys never had a

16:22

consciousness. They never had a single

16:25

thought in their own head. They

16:27

actually, the scientists actually stated that

16:29

it could even be possible. And

16:31

again, they're saying right now a

16:33

lot of this stuff is sci-fi,

16:35

but we need to start thinking

16:37

about this now and planning for

16:39

it because if society is accepting

16:41

of this, it can save lives.

16:43

They said it's also possible if

16:45

we're in the same realm that

16:47

you could eventually not just develop

16:49

a generic bodyoid, but you could

16:51

have your own bodyoid. So

16:54

any organs you need replacing, they'd

16:56

be a perfect fit for you.

16:58

They could actually make it so

17:01

if you needed a heart transplant,

17:03

you would get a younger version

17:05

of your exact same heart. So

17:07

there's no issues with rejection. Really,

17:10

at that point, we're kind of

17:12

talking about biological immortality. So, I

17:14

mean, you just keep having organs

17:16

as they fail get replaced. And

17:19

to be fair, the scientists go,

17:21

listen, this isn't just about humans.

17:23

You know, it's not ethical how

17:25

we treat the animals that come

17:28

into the world of science they

17:30

get tested on. We have to

17:32

do it. We don't have an

17:34

option. Or do we? Because they

17:37

said if we get this technology

17:39

up and running, we can do

17:41

the same thing for the animals.

17:43

We could have just a monkey.

17:46

A monkey that has no sentience,

17:48

it's just a living breathing monkey

17:50

body, but its brain isn't activated.

17:52

And you would use that, that

17:55

generic monkey number one, for all

17:57

of your experiments. would keep cloning

17:59

or keep developing the exact same

18:01

generic monkey. You wouldn't have to

18:04

be capturing them or breeding them.

18:06

And same thing to go with

18:08

mice. And they even said it

18:10

could be so much. This is

18:13

where I think people might start

18:15

to protest. Because who's against animal

18:17

cruelty? Right. Who's for saving lives?

18:19

All of these things are kind

18:22

of winners in a generic poll.

18:24

You go, do you think we

18:26

should? Put more funding

18:28

towards disease research. Well, yeah, do

18:30

you think we should put more

18:32

funding and more effort into alleviating

18:34

animal suffering in the science world?

18:36

Yeah, all of these things get

18:38

very positive reviews But when you

18:40

go well whatever we're planning on

18:42

doing is cloning a bunch of

18:44

monkeys straw? What and cloning humans?

18:46

You know what they also said

18:48

though that you could do this

18:50

for the food supply Instead of

18:52

a living cow that was born

18:54

and came out of its mama

18:56

and was like learning how to

18:58

walk and then instantly snatched up

19:00

and taken to its own cage

19:02

where it'll spend the rest of

19:05

its life being melt until its

19:07

nipples are bloody, you could clone

19:09

a cow. You could just grow

19:11

a cow in this tube and

19:13

again it's not a cow in

19:15

the sense that its brain is

19:17

working. Because otherwise you just there's

19:19

an easier way to do that.

19:21

It's just have two cows having

19:23

sex. It's much cheaper and they'll

19:25

do it for free This one

19:27

the brain would be shut off

19:29

the brain would only be set

19:31

up for the most basic biological

19:33

Needs like controlling the breathing this

19:35

nervous system. I bet you could

19:37

even shut off the nervous system.

19:39

So there's no pain as far

19:41

as that goes You could really

19:43

get in with that genetic tampering

19:45

So then you wouldn't have to

19:47

have these factory farms these cows

19:49

just kind of living in a

19:51

cage until the day they die

19:53

Did you know I actually don't

19:55

know if this fact is true,

19:57

but I repeat it all the

19:59

time Chocolate milk, which

20:01

I love chocolate milk, and I remember

20:04

I was like, I don't know if

20:06

I can drink it as much anymore.

20:08

I still do. That when they melt

20:10

cows and the milk comes out and

20:12

it goes into the milk side of

20:14

the factory, but once there, because they

20:17

get milked so much, their nipples do

20:19

start to bleed and scab up. And

20:21

of course that blood's going to be

20:23

shooting into the milk, so now you

20:25

have pink milk, they turn that into

20:27

chocolate milk. So

20:29

the next time you're drinking chocolate

20:32

milk, you're like, I don't remember

20:34

eating frosted flakes? Why is there

20:36

a frosted flake floating around in

20:38

my chocolate milk? Oh well, and

20:40

you drink it, it's probably a...

20:42

It's probably a nipple scab. Here's

20:44

the thing. I don't know if

20:46

that story's true. I think it's

20:48

disgusting, and I repeat it all

20:50

the time. Chocolate milk is the

20:52

bloody milk that people won't buy,

20:54

so they add food coloring to

20:56

it or chocolate or chocolate to

20:58

whatever. Chocolate flavoring. They go, wouldn't

21:00

it be grand if instead of

21:02

killing sentient animals, like cows and

21:04

chickens, pigs, all of them, right?

21:07

Instead of doing all that stuff,

21:09

you could just grow cows in

21:11

a lab and slaughter them. That

21:13

would be a huge cost. The

21:15

reason why people have tried growing

21:17

that lab grow and meat, people

21:19

have, scientists have been working on

21:21

that lab growing meat, it's just

21:23

so expensive. People have been trying

21:25

that. But again, this is kind

21:27

of a hypothetical that's right around

21:29

the corner. These three scientists are

21:31

saying that this is something we

21:33

got to look at and these

21:35

are the pros of it. They

21:37

really didn't list a lot of

21:39

cons. And I think this is

21:42

where you kind of start to

21:44

get people being iffy about it.

21:46

Here's a thing. I don't know

21:48

what they believe outside of the

21:50

realm of science. I believe humans

21:52

have souls. I think that's trickier,

21:54

right? I think there's

21:56

a we can have that

21:58

discussion, but I definitely believe

22:00

because they do. Spiders have

22:02

souls? I mean, like again,

22:04

like I would go, you

22:06

know, animals probably have souls

22:08

like dogs and cats, because

22:10

I like those guys, but

22:12

do spiders have souls? Does

22:14

a blade of grass have

22:16

a soul? Does a mushroom

22:18

have a soul? Maybe, maybe

22:20

they all do, but I

22:22

believe humans definitely do. So,

22:25

and I think that is

22:27

for every human, even if

22:29

you had a human that

22:31

was born or created with

22:33

the... Their brain only works

22:35

on such a level that

22:37

they can only suffer. They

22:39

have no consciousness. All they

22:41

can do is scream and

22:43

cry and they're hungry and,

22:45

you know, like severely severely

22:47

disabled people. I still believe

22:49

they have souls. I believe

22:51

if you were born and

22:53

your brain only has a

22:55

base level to regulate your

22:57

heart. and your lungs and

22:59

it has no consciousness, I

23:01

do believe that body still

23:03

has a soul in it.

23:05

It's a soul that is

23:07

inside a human body that

23:09

is not working right, but

23:11

it's still a human. So

23:13

if you genetically went in

23:15

and turned off everything to

23:17

make it so the brain

23:19

has no sentience, I

23:23

still believe that coming out

23:25

of that artificial womb would

23:27

be a soul in a

23:29

defective human body, but a

23:31

soul nonetheless. So if you

23:33

raise it to the age

23:35

of 25 and then eventually

23:38

you kill it and cut

23:40

out the organs, that would

23:42

still be the same as

23:44

killing a human. I don't

23:46

think sentience or a working

23:48

brain is the end-all be-all.

23:50

To whether or not there

23:52

is a soul in that

23:54

body, but listen, that's my

23:56

religious belief That's not not

23:59

everyone share that belief and

24:01

that belief may honestly be

24:03

wrong because there's nothing in

24:05

the Bible about it right?

24:07

Ministers can be philosophers about

24:09

it and think about it

24:11

and wonder about it but

24:13

there'd be no proof and

24:15

you go Jason so based

24:17

on your religious belief which

24:19

you said you don't even

24:22

know if it's true you

24:24

would stop this science this

24:26

science that would save possibly

24:29

hundreds of thousands if not millions

24:31

of lives and if it ended

24:34

in the cure of one of

24:36

the great diseases of mankind billions

24:38

of lives it's interesting right it's

24:40

super interesting like I would believe

24:43

that those are humans in there

24:45

but if testing a medicine on

24:47

a human if a human or

24:50

humans a small group of humans

24:52

must go through suffering so that

24:54

billions will live I mean, we're

24:57

getting in some really interesting philosophical

24:59

questions here. And what if I'm

25:01

wrong? What if there is no

25:03

soul in that body? That's a

25:06

question that they don't really address.

25:08

They don't talk about the soul.

25:10

If I didn't believe that those

25:13

bodies had no souls whatsoever, I

25:15

would say, go nuts. You want

25:17

to clone these bodies? And you

25:20

want to chop them up on

25:22

the weekend and do all this

25:24

stuff? Whatever, I don't care. But

25:27

it would be really hard

25:29

for me to take that

25:31

same tact if it had

25:33

a human brain in it,

25:35

which is which it does

25:37

And there's a lot of

25:39

it quite I mean the

25:41

animal thing I think would

25:43

be more reasonable clone animals

25:46

and test them on them

25:48

But again, you know animal

25:50

souls is a trickier subject

25:52

for me Could be wrong

25:54

on that everything could have

25:56

a soul I thought it

25:58

was interesting, you know, I

26:00

read about this in the

26:02

mainstream media and then I

26:04

went and I read the

26:06

article in the technology. review,

26:08

I found this really buried

26:10

in their article in the

26:12

article written by these three

26:14

guys that said quote recently

26:16

we have even begun using

26:18

for experiments so like this

26:20

is stuff that's going on

26:22

now using for experiments the

26:24

quote animated cadavers unquote of

26:26

people who have been declared

26:28

legally dead who have lost

26:30

all brain function but whose

26:32

other organs continue to function

26:34

with mechanical Genetically modified pig

26:36

kidneys have been connected to

26:38

or transplanted into these legally

26:40

dead but physiologically active cadavers

26:42

to help researchers determine whether

26:44

they would work in living

26:46

people. The quote continues, in

26:48

all these cases, nothing was

26:50

legally a living human being

26:52

at the time it was

26:54

used for research. Human bodyoids

26:56

would also fall into that

26:58

category. What? What?

27:00

I mean, I was like,

27:02

okay, so they're talking about

27:05

hypotheticals. This is happening now.

27:07

Humans who are declared legally

27:09

dead are being kept alive.

27:11

I mean, I guess this

27:13

is what happens when you

27:15

donate your body to science,

27:17

right? But you're legally dead,

27:19

your brain's dead. The rest

27:21

of your body that was

27:23

being kept alive by... machines

27:25

so they can take out

27:27

your organs and replace them

27:30

with animal organs. They're doing

27:32

these studies and they're seeing

27:34

if the body rejects it.

27:36

That's terrifying because I really

27:38

again think there's a big

27:40

difference between legally dead and

27:42

dead. I

27:46

don't think there's a huge difference.

27:48

You may be... I don't think

27:50

there's people who've been bonked on

27:52

the head, right? They're in a

27:55

coma, they're like, they could wake

27:57

up in seven years, but until

27:59

then, I hope they like pig

28:02

and guts, because they're gonna have

28:04

a lot of them. They have

28:06

no sentient. They're never going to

28:09

recover from whatever killed them and

28:11

in fact if you ever shut

28:13

the machines off they would die

28:16

within minutes. But that does not

28:18

mean that their soul is gone.

28:20

It does not mean just because

28:22

it's not registering on something on

28:25

this device that's been built to

28:27

measure this does not mean that

28:29

their soul is gone. That's my

28:32

belief. And hopefully that soul is

28:34

not aware of what's going on,

28:36

but imagine that you died four

28:39

or five years ago in a

28:41

car accident and you said that

28:43

you wanted your body to donate

28:46

it to science. And yes, you

28:48

are brain dead, but your soul

28:50

is trapped in a body that

28:52

has full of pig guts. And

28:55

just because they went wild one

28:57

afternoon, you have a platypus tail

28:59

nailed on your nose. And they're

29:02

keeping you alive artificially all these

29:04

years because you're the perfect candidate.

29:06

You're the perfect candidate. You're the

29:09

size of a big. Tiny little

29:11

arms and legs and a giant

29:13

torso, but you're still human. And

29:15

they're like, wow, look at all

29:18

this stuff. You think tomorrow we

29:20

could fit a cow's stomach inside

29:22

of them? And scientists are like,

29:25

maybe, maybe, we will wait. We

29:27

will find out tomorrow. And they

29:29

shut the lights off. And this

29:32

soul is still trapped in this

29:34

human body. The only noise that

29:36

hears now is the whirr of

29:39

the machines keeping it alive. He

29:41

can feel his lungs artificially inflate

29:43

and deflate, keeping oxygen going into

29:45

the blood, keeping all of the

29:48

organs, both his and those of

29:50

the animal kingdom alive. But inside

29:52

of all of this, there's a

29:55

human soul screaming, Just let me

29:57

die. Why won't you let me

29:59

die? I just want to die.

30:02

Terrifying. They're doing that now. Animated

30:04

cadavers. Spooky. Now here's the thing.

30:06

On a spiritual level, I'm pretty

30:09

hesitant towards this because I believe

30:11

in the existence of a human

30:13

soul. I know that not everybody

30:15

does. But it's pretty creepy to

30:18

me. And in a vacuum, just

30:20

reading this article. I would say,

30:22

it's not something that I would

30:25

be down with. I know, that

30:27

carries a lot of weight in

30:29

the three scientists, one of their

30:32

names. Karsten Henry and Hiromitsu, they're

30:34

sitting around, they're like, damn, and

30:36

he's not down with us. We

30:39

lost the dead rabbit radio acknowledgement.

30:41

Guys, pack it up. Full those

30:43

bodyoids up. Stuff them in a

30:45

garbage can, we're out here boys.

30:48

It's not like it means a

30:50

lot, but I do think it

30:52

means a lot, but I think

30:55

it's an interesting topic. Because, here's

30:57

the thing, I do not want

30:59

to give this a dead rabbit

31:02

radio recommends, although in a way

31:04

I am, the reason why I

31:06

don't, so listen, I recently watched

31:09

a documentary that was so disturbing

31:11

that I don't think anyone else

31:13

should watch it. And here's the

31:15

thing, I read this story. Around

31:18

the same time that I watched

31:20

this documentary and it really does

31:22

make you go listen even if

31:25

human souls are in this bodyoids

31:27

It's a lot better than what

31:29

we have now There's a documentary

31:32

on YouTube. It's full-length. I'm gonna

31:34

tell you what it is I

31:36

don't recommend you guys watching it

31:38

unless you I don't even know

31:41

how to prepare you for it.

31:43

It's a documentary. It's called some

31:45

of you guys may know of

31:48

it. It's called eyes of the

31:50

devil Eyes of

31:52

the Devil, it's a documentary

31:54

film made by Patrick Vega.

31:57

And Patrick Vega is a

31:59

Polish filmmaker. He made this

32:01

documentary. It's so, I don't

32:03

want to say bland, it's

32:06

so conversational that it just

32:08

adds to how creepy it

32:10

is. What it is is

32:12

Patrick Vega is talking to

32:14

human traffickers of children. And

32:17

he's talking to different levels

32:19

of this organization and they

32:21

are also blasey about what

32:23

they do, that it's chilling.

32:26

It's I honestly don't know

32:28

if I made it all

32:30

the way through. I watched

32:32

it, I watched, I think

32:34

like an hour and a

32:37

half of it, and I

32:39

was like, I had to

32:41

take breaks watching it. And

32:43

then when I went to

32:46

finish it, the video was

32:48

back in the beginning. So

32:50

I go, did I actually

32:52

finish it? Because there's not

32:55

like a narrative, there's not

32:57

a through line, it's just

32:59

conversations. or people being taken

33:01

and sold in a prostitution

33:03

or they're trapped to be

33:06

maids, right? Their trick to

33:08

work at these nail salon

33:10

center, stuff like that. This

33:12

documentary specifically focuses on people

33:15

who buy children and then

33:17

either sell the children to

33:19

a whorehouse or kill the

33:21

kids and sell the organs.

33:25

And the kids that are sent

33:28

to the whorehouse, after they turn

33:30

like 12 or 13, they're killed

33:32

and their organs are sold anyways.

33:34

It's called Recycling in this industry.

33:36

It's a super, super disturbing documentary.

33:38

Everyone is really blazet. You go

33:40

from the people who are actively

33:42

buying the children from mothers to

33:44

the people who are... deciding what

33:46

is going to happen to the

33:49

kids or are they going to

33:51

go to the whorehouse and this

33:53

is a European market and obviously

33:55

it happens all over the world

33:57

but this mostly focus on Europe

33:59

and then talking about the recycling

34:01

programs and things like that. I

34:03

honestly don't think I made it

34:05

all the way through. I think

34:07

there's probably another 20 minutes left,

34:10

but I don't really want to

34:12

go back and start from the

34:14

beginning. It's so conversational, it's so

34:16

terrifying. They not only talk about

34:18

it in general terms, they talk

34:20

about specific examples. Oh, I remember

34:22

this one kid once and they'll

34:24

tell this story, and it's just

34:26

horrifying. And

34:30

when you watch something like that, when

34:32

you realize that, because here's the thing,

34:34

and I was watching it, I know

34:36

Patrick Vega had also done a very

34:38

controversial mini-series recently, I think it was

34:40

a couple years ago, called Small World,

34:43

and I haven't seen that, and I

34:45

haven't seen that either, but it's about

34:47

this same subject. It's a fictional version.

34:49

It's about like a cop trying to

34:51

find this... woman's missing daughter and he

34:53

gets pulled further and further into this

34:56

disgusting world of child predators. Now that

34:58

movie I saw the trailer looks mostly

35:00

like it leans on the prostitution side

35:02

like he's trying to like he he

35:04

walks into these brothels. The end of

35:06

the trailer they do have a scene

35:08

where the main guy walks into what

35:11

looks like a eyes wide shut ultra

35:13

elite rich person's party where they're doing

35:15

these sex things with children and he

35:17

walks in with a Submachine gun just

35:19

guns them all down I go well

35:21

that's an awesome scene that looks fantastic

35:24

I don't know if I want to

35:26

put up with the rest of the

35:28

movie because it's just all this really

35:30

Dark and creepy imagery right involving kids

35:32

I don't know what came first I

35:34

don't know if small world came before

35:37

this documentary or if the documentary inspired

35:39

small world I'm not for sure but

35:41

you know it is so different when

35:43

you look at this story and you

35:45

go well listen there's a hundred thousand

35:47

people out there who need organs, like

35:49

it is a need. Every year there's

35:52

a lot of people. who died because

35:54

they can't get the right organs. And

35:56

if we could have these bodyoids online,

35:58

it could help because otherwise you're waiting

36:00

for people to die naturally or get

36:02

in car accidents or organs to be

36:05

donated. When you look at that, that's

36:07

a very sterile way of looking at

36:09

the conversation when in fact... There are

36:11

people making a ton of money killing

36:13

children and selling their organs. And I

36:15

looked it up, I go, because I'm

36:17

watching the documentary, it's like, this can't

36:20

be true. I mean, I know this

36:22

child trafficking, obviously, it's a horrific thing,

36:24

you see it pop up in the

36:26

news every once in a while. But

36:28

can you take a kid's kidney and

36:30

put in inhuman? In fact, you can.

36:33

There are organs that aren't age-dependent or

36:35

size-dependent. You know, a six-year-year-old's kidney apparently

36:37

will work, apparently will work, pretty good.

36:39

not so much for the heart or

36:41

the lungs. But, because yeah, these kids

36:43

would be bought from the family and

36:46

then would be raised by a foster

36:48

family who's part of this organization until

36:50

the kid was like four or five

36:52

somewhere around there and then they would

36:54

be sent to the raffle or simply

36:56

be killed then for the organs. And

36:58

they go, yeah, sometimes we kidnap people.

37:01

Sometimes we have a customer who has

37:03

a specific request. and we don't have

37:05

one in our pipeline so yes sometimes

37:07

we will kidnap kids off the street

37:09

but for the most part we just

37:11

buy babies from pregnant women and it's

37:14

interesting too because recently it was just

37:16

a couple weeks ago we did that

37:18

episode in Texas where that woman she

37:20

tweeted out a photo of her kid

37:22

was getting baptized and some guy goes

37:24

that's a beautiful kid I'll give you

37:27

500 grand for the baby I want

37:29

to sell its organs we just did

37:31

a story about that and that dude

37:33

did get arrested. We hasn't been charged.

37:35

I mean, we don't know if he'll

37:37

get convicted and charged and all that

37:39

stuff, but I'm watching this documentary. It

37:42

totally changes the game. When you look

37:44

at this, when you look at organizations

37:46

that purposely kidnap children and buy children

37:48

from mothers and some of the mothers

37:50

kind of know what's going to happen

37:52

and some of them just go, oh,

37:55

my baby gets a good life. When

37:57

you know that the option is that

37:59

or bodyoids. I

38:01

would vote bodyoids 100% even if

38:03

I say I think there's human

38:05

souls in there, but if this

38:07

can eliminate Recycling children or killing

38:10

them and taking their organs and

38:12

fortunately wouldn't eliminate the Prostitution part

38:14

of it. I mean, that's another

38:16

horrific part of it. I mean,

38:18

this man, you're like Jason, wow

38:20

started off fun with the old

38:22

Matt sciences bit. I don't know

38:25

where this is coming from. But

38:27

it does, like if I, like

38:29

when you take that into account,

38:31

when you go, wow, they are

38:33

killing children for organs. This is

38:35

an industry that has multiple levels

38:37

and people are making a ton

38:40

of money. That can be completely

38:42

eliminated. It can be squashed if

38:44

we start cloning these human bodies,

38:46

if it's super affordable and you

38:48

can just have these organs. Because

38:50

no matter that random kid you

38:52

pick, it's never going to be

38:55

as good as a body that

38:57

was cloned of you. that has

38:59

exactly your same genetic makeup. Changes

39:01

it, right? If you're just going,

39:03

well, people dying in car accidents,

39:05

they already have their organs donated,

39:07

that hopefully is enough, versus creating

39:10

this abomination, this body with no

39:12

consciousness but possibly a human soul,

39:14

that's a harder discussion to have.

39:16

Versus, or, you know, the mass

39:18

amounts of children who are just

39:20

purchased by moms, so they're never

39:22

reported missing. Right

39:26

these aren't missing children the the

39:28

mom hopes because they said you're

39:30

they don't necessarily say we're gonna

39:32

sell your kid into slavery They

39:34

were going to recycle them. They

39:36

say he's going to a good

39:39

family and the child is raised

39:41

by a foster family for the

39:43

first couple years But that kids

39:45

never reported missing. It's just gone

39:47

So who knows how huge this

39:49

is That versus cloning people and

39:51

maybe I'm wrong, maybe there's not

39:53

a soul, maybe there. I mean,

39:55

it would be horrible if there

39:57

is. That's a really difficult decision

40:00

to make. And actually, I say

40:02

that, it's not. I would say,

40:04

get rid of the child organ

40:06

harvesting, bring on the bodyoids. If

40:08

that was the two sides of

40:10

it, a hundred percent. You go,

40:12

Jason, but those bodyoids have souls.

40:14

I know. And that sucks. That

40:16

totally sucks. I'm in a really,

40:18

really bad position. But that would

40:20

be my choice. And a generic.

40:23

Vanilla World, I would say this

40:25

sounds creepy that we're cloning these

40:27

people and we're saying they don't

40:29

have sentience, but how do we

40:31

really know? But in the real

40:33

world, the bodyoids may be the

40:35

best option for this entire issue.

40:37

Then having a kid get purchased,

40:39

raised in a loving home for

40:41

a couple years, sold into sexual

40:44

slavery, and then... killed and recycled.

40:46

Bodyoid sound like something from a

40:48

sci-fi movie. This sounds like something

40:50

from a horror film, but the

40:52

problem is that it's real. It's

40:54

happening right now. So, where's the

40:56

name man? Listen, I'm going to

40:58

be honest, sometimes this show, it

41:00

gives me whiplash too. It really

41:02

does. Sometimes I don't know where

41:05

I'm going to end up. And

41:07

this is where we ended up

41:09

here. And I will say, modious,

41:11

we don't have time for the

41:13

next story that I wanted to

41:15

do. It was really cute. It

41:17

was about a ghost dinosaur. It

41:19

probably would lie in the mood

41:21

a little bit, but I just

41:23

don't have time, even with the

41:25

most aggressive editing. You're like, Jason,

41:28

take out all that stuff about

41:30

that horrible movie. You said no

41:32

one should watch. And then you

41:34

detailed it. Let me see do

41:36

I have anything that's short and

41:38

fun that we could end on

41:40

I don't really I don't see

41:42

anything super short. I did see

41:44

the new mic movie. I can

41:46

talk about it. And it's really,

41:49

I don't know, Jason, if that'll

41:51

really lighten the mood about human

41:53

trafficking and child recycling. Yeah, I

41:55

try not to end this podcast

41:57

on such dower notes, but I'm

41:59

curious as to what you guys,

42:01

you guys were typing out a

42:03

comment. You're like, I'm against the

42:05

use of bodyoids. And then I

42:07

go, let me tell you about

42:09

human trafficking. That's the thing. It

42:12

does, it really changed my opinion

42:14

my opinion on it. on whether

42:16

or not it's viable. The problem

42:18

is that even, we're talking about

42:20

it man, you're making it even

42:22

more depressing. Well anyways, yeah, modious,

42:24

I'm gonna have to have you

42:26

back for tomorrow's episode. You didn't

42:28

get a chance to play the

42:30

Carboner character. Sorry, we ended on

42:33

such a sad note, but I'm

42:35

trying to keep the episode short

42:37

enough to kind of throw in

42:39

there. And you guys obviously don't

42:41

want to hear me talk about

42:43

the Minecraft movie. I didn't like

42:45

it. I guess we'll just call

42:47

it a night here. Don't watch

42:49

that documentary. I will say that.

42:51

It was, don't watch it. Don't

42:53

watch it. I know some of

42:56

you guys will, and then you

42:58

guys will complain that I brought

43:00

it up in the first place,

43:02

but technically it's on you, because

43:04

it is very, very depressing. But

43:06

it does kind of change the

43:08

way you look at things, especially

43:10

when you look at ethical arguments

43:12

like body harvesting. So but I

43:14

am curious as to what you

43:17

guys will think modious will have

43:19

you back for tomorrow's episode Sorry

43:21

for such a dower ending, but

43:23

that is the way it works

43:25

sometimes And you guys didn't want

43:27

to hear by the micro movie

43:29

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