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You're listening to a

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complexly podcast. Hello and welcome

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to dear Hank and John. Or

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as I'm calling it today, dear

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Deboki and Hank. That's right. It's

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a podcast for two brothers

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and sometimes a brother and

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a brother and a Deboki

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chalk Rivardi. Answer your questions.

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Give you DBC advice and

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review all the news from

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both Mars and AFC Wimbledon

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and Deboki. Do you know

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why Congress keeps smashing plates

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and bowls? No. They want

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to seem tough on China. Okay,

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I thought they were trying to pass the

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bill along or something, but that

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wasn't working. And I don't know

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why I'm trying to teach. That's

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why they have so many ducks. Right.

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Yes. I don't know why I'm trying

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to like crack dad codes. Like, oh,

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if I figured this one out. I

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will, dad jokes will stop, they can't

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exist anymore. So Devoki, as people

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should know, if you listen to

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the last part of the podcast,

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works on this podcast, helps me

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get answers to science questions. So

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that I'm less likely to be

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talking directly out of my own

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butt and have... Now just indirectly.

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Yeah. So I indirectly talk at

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a Devoki's butt. Yes. So we've

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been working together on a bunch

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of different, this is not the

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only thing that Deboki and I

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worked together on, and we still

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have been working together for many

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years, and you've been on the

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podcast before, and you have your

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own podcast called Tiny Matters, which

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is a delight. Thank you. Yeah,

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Tiny Matters is made by the

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American Chemical Society. I work with

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Sam Jones and we have a

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lot of fun talking about science

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and cool science history things and

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all of that good stuff. Yeah, and

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not just chemicals, but a lot of

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chemicals. I, as I am on record

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saying, chemistry is the most underappreciated of

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the biggest sciences. And so I appreciate

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you. for the work that you do.

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So we decided since John, something broke

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on his car. I didn't tell you

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this to Bokey, but something broke on

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John's car and he has been towed

2:09

to the car dealership where he is

2:11

waiting for them to fix something to

2:14

do with the spark plugs. And so

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he can't make her podcast. And we

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usually meet before the podcast. So I

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was like, what if we just made

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a science spectacular? where we just go

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over a bunch of the science questions

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we haven't hit over the last like

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five or so episodes. And we can talk

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about what we've learned. Yeah, because

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we chat anyway, and it's always

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a good time. We might as

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well invite some people in sometimes.

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Yeah, it's fun. It's fun to

2:43

get to go back because sometimes

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I think I'm always in suspense

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for what's going to make it

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to the podcast. I'm like, I

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know the questions. Is this thing

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going to make it? And how

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is it going to make it?

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It must be disappointing, because there's

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no freaking logic to it either.

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You know the thing where you're like,

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I'm talking to the podcast as if

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they were my friends, I experience that

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every time with this, where I'm like,

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Hank, we just talked about this and

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you're not going to talk about it

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again? Yeah, yeah. But it's, I mean, there

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is so much good stuff that we don't

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get to. So we should get to some

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of it. One of the things that my

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instinct is to talk about TikTok, which of

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course we cannot do because the situation is

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changing so extremely quickly. Yeah,

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and I've barely been on TikTok. I

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think like with in the past year,

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I hit a point where I was

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like, I don't like the way that

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I feel on TikTok. I don't like

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the feelings that I get from it.

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And it was surprisingly easy to quit,

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which was weird. Like I'm so used

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to like, I just deleted read it

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off of my phone yesterday. But I

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know that it's going to be back

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on my phone in a few weeks.

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It's just like right now I need

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a break. Like once you're off of it,

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it was at least for me, it was

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like so easy to just be like, well,

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like I don't really miss it. Like if

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there's a tick talk that I need to

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know about, then I will find out about

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it, it will be linked. But also a

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lot of the things that come from tick

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talk just moved so quickly away from the

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general consciousness that I don't know that

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I end up missing much. Yeah, yeah, I was

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going through actually. I might make

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a video out of this experience,

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but I scrolled to my very

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first comment that I ever left

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on Tiktak. And I watched some

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of those early, early videos. And

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I, you know, it was really, for many

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years, it's been very vibrant and

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special and there's always lots of

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very cool stuff going on on

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Tiktak as of today anyway.

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Yeah. But it does, you know, the

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sort of like balance of... like just

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sort of amazed at the

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creativity of humans and Enjoying

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myself to like You know

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scrolling past another live stream

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of a person trying to

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get a ping-pong ball into

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a cup and then another

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live stream of a person

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who was playing some kind

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of medieval stabbing game followed

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by a Commercial for a

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medically dubious device Yeah, yeah,

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and few days maybe I'll

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even have put Tiktok back,

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you know, the company running

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Tiktok needing to leverage it

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into making a lot of money.

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And this is like a less

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fun place for sure. Then it

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once was. But who knows where we're

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at in a few days. Yeah, yeah, in

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a few days, maybe I'll even

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have put Tiktok back on my

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phone. What I know for sure

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is that the answers to the questions

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we're about to ask are not going

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to change in the next three days.

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For example, our first question comes from

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Dev who asks Dear Hankin Deboki, I

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know Earth's fire requires oxygen. Is there

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another gas that would serve the same

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purpose on another planet with a non-oxygen

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atmosphere developing a... understanding of the

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universe, Dev. This is a complicated

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question, but there are, when you

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sort of like think of it

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as oxidizers and reducers, so a

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weird thing about fire is that

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it is rapid oxidation, and that

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oxidation sounds like it's done by

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oxygen, which it is, but there

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are other things that can oxidize

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things, and they can do it

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quickly. And so like if you

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were in like a fluorine gas

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environment, You could definitely, stuff could

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definitely burn, because the fluorine would

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do the oxidizing instead of the

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oxygen. But where would that be?

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That'd be tricky to have. There's

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also a lot of metals can

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do oxidizing, but usually metals aren't

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gases, sort of famously. Yeah, I

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think fire is one of those

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weird things, right? Because it just

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feels like it should just be

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this thing, but then it's also

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just... more reaction that we get

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to see, I guess. Yeah. The

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thing that we're witnessing as fire

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isn't the chemical reaction. It's the

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byproducts of the chemical reaction. Right.

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Yeah. Or it is the chemical

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reaction continuing as it floats up

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because it is so hot. Yeah.

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And apparently, I guess, only Earth

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has fire. Like that's a thing.

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Yeah. We've never seen fire anywhere

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else. Which I just like had

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never thought about. But then it's

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like... Okay, I guess that makes

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sense. And it's like apparently connected

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to the fact that we have

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oxygen and then to get oxygen

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to this degree, you have to

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have life. And like that's that's

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what we have. The other planets

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as far as we know don't.

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But that's wild to me. I

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don't know why, like you just

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kind of take it for granted,

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like if I were going to

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like conjure up a planet in

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my head, I would be like,

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oh yeah, there's going to be

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an icy planet, there's going to

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be a fiery planet. Those are

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those are not similar. Fire is

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an active chemical reaction. Ice is

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just a rock. Just another rock.

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I fought this battle on TikTok

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a few years ago about whether

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or not ice is a rock.

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And it is, it just is.

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It is, and we're lava monsters.

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Yeah, so we are fire. I

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know, but lava is not fire,

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right? Lava is just, Java's just

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liquid rock. Yeah. I said Java,

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which is not. It probably once

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was. It seems volcanic, just from

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the vibes I get from picturing

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it, is Java. It must be.

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Volcanic activity has not built the

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land mass of the island. What?

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Has not only built the land

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mass of the island? With lava

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flows lahars and air and waterborne

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ash, it has also spawned many

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of the most ingenious and resilient

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human cultures on the planet. All

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right, Java, I was right. Yes.

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Sometimes the vibes are correct. Yeah.

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But you also have to check

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them. Fire is, is, as far

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as we know, kind of, it

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requires life because you have to,

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both, like the stuff that burns

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was once alive and the oxygen

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in the atmosphere was. also created

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by the living stuff. And oxygen

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doesn't tend to hang out for

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a long time, so you always

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have to be replenishing it somehow,

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because it reacts. It reacts really

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fast. That's like one of the

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things about oxygen is like, also

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a huge, this, I found this

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out at one point in my

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life, and I just blew my

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mind, like a huge portion of

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the minerals that we have would

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not be possible on a planet

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without life because they are they

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require a high concentration of oxygen

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in the atmosphere to form. Right.

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Yeah, and I guess like that's

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part of why the earth used

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to look so... completely different from

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what it looks like now, like

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different colors, completely different composition. It's

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just, it's like the geology of

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the earth and the biology of

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the earth are very much connected

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and we wouldn't have thought, you

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know, like that, that's not intuitive.

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We're looking for life on other

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planets, like we should look for fire.

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That's the thing. We should look for

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fire if there's smoke. I'm sure I'm

10:26

sure someone's thought of that. And I'm

10:28

sure there's a good reason like the

10:31

astrobiologists listening right now are like debokie.

10:33

Yeah, yeah, what if what a cool

10:35

field that that exists now and you

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could actually be a part of theoretically

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if you wanted to if you worked

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hard on that. But there's a book

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called Becoming Earth where I learned all

10:47

about the connection between geology

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and biology and how they are.

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how the we're just like a we're

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just a living planet very cool yeah

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also I when I looked into

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this question I found out

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that there are some circumstances

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where metals can burn like

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very reactive metals can

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burn in carbon dioxide

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atmospheres which is like that

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seems wrong but it's because they

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strip the carbon off of the

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carbon dioxide and free the oxygen

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to then do the oxidation

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so Chemistry, man. It's weird.

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Then that is a gas that can

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theoretically do oxidation, if only

11:28

you break some very strong

11:30

bones. Yeah. I mean, it's

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just like casual. If you

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just do this, then. Yeah.

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If you can only turn

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carbon dioxide into just oxygen,

11:41

then you could definitely. Yeah. burn.

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So like people, I mean, so like

11:45

astronauts have like done flames in space,

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right? Because that's a whole thing about

11:49

how you get spherical flames. So like

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are those like the first flames that

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have existed outside of Earth? Yeah. I

11:55

mean, that we know of again, like it's

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a big universe. So there's definitely...

12:00

there's definitely some kind of forest somewhere

12:02

that's burned down and some galaxy. Yeah.

12:04

But the, yeah, I, you know, just

12:06

that is also the first time there

12:08

was life out there. Yeah. Fire just

12:10

follows us around. Yeah. And which is,

12:13

which is a problem and it's terrifying

12:15

for the people of the space station.

12:17

You think, like, what do you think

12:19

is the scare, the thing that they're

12:21

most afraid of on the space station,

12:23

because I think it's got to be

12:25

fire. Yeah, that's. I mean I'm just

12:27

listing off my anxieties would be like

12:30

being forgotten out of the air. The

12:32

next word that came to my mind,

12:34

which makes no sense, is plummeting to

12:36

my death? Yeah, no, you can't do

12:38

that. I don't know how you do

12:40

that in space. It'd be really hard

12:42

to plummet to your death from the

12:44

space station. It would take a long

12:47

time. Yeah, and that's what makes it

12:49

scary. Yeah, it's not like the movie

12:51

Gravity, which was trying apparently very hard

12:53

to be accurate, but then just gave

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up. I didn't even see it. Yeah,

12:57

I don't trust a movie called Gravity.

12:59

Someone just falls to the Earth from

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space, which is not how it works.

13:04

If you're in orbit, you are going

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very fast around the Earth, and in

13:08

order to fall down, you would have

13:10

to slow down, which takes energy. Yeah.

13:12

Which is why you can't shoot... Nuclear

13:14

waste into the sun. When I realized

13:16

it was easier to shoot nuclear waste

13:18

into outer space than to shoot it

13:21

into the sun, truly mind bending, like

13:23

a mind melting moment. You can get

13:25

it out of the solar system more

13:27

easily than we can get it into

13:29

the sun because you don't fall down.

13:31

You don't fall down? Like, what do

13:33

you mean? Like, you'd have to decelerate

13:35

it. You'd have to decelerate it until

13:38

it's not orbiting the sun anymore, which

13:40

is just like a huge amount of

13:42

energy to decelerate it. So we could

13:44

just make it someone else's problem, like

13:46

very far away, but not as long.

13:48

Oh yeah, we could crash it into

13:50

Mars. Yeah, we could crash it into

13:52

the moon much easier than any of

13:55

that. But you'd have to in order

13:57

to do that, you know, you'd have

13:59

to shoot it through the... on top

14:01

of a giant bomb, which is not

14:03

ideal. Yeah, that would take a little

14:05

while and probably be expensive. It would

14:07

probably be easier if we just didn't

14:09

get to that point. Yeah, well, I

14:12

thought, look, it's a big planet. We

14:14

can figure out what to do with

14:16

the waste. I just don't want the

14:18

chance of it exploding in the atmosphere

14:20

to happen. Yeah. Yeah. worrying, but who

14:22

knows, maybe that's not that big of

14:24

a concern. That is one of my

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concerns, though. I think my, in general,

14:28

I feel like my concern in being

14:31

in spaces is that the, that is

14:33

decompression. Yeah. But I think probably fire

14:35

is actually scarier. It does seem, yeah,

14:37

I think I could see that. I

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think, I think fire would be up

14:41

there with things that I would be

14:43

freaked out about. And just also, anything

14:45

that would end up floating around me

14:48

that I like. couldn't get a handle

14:50

on, I think, would freak me. I

14:52

think just in general, being in space.

14:54

If I were in space, I've already

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done the thing that is scariest to

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me. Well, there was the moment on

15:00

the Apollo missions, because of course, everything

15:02

is public record, where they found a

15:05

poop. Just a free-floating poop in the

15:07

capsule, which was really sort of like,

15:09

they were like, what's this? Oh, it's

15:11

a poop. It must have smelled so

15:13

bad in there that they weren't like,

15:15

oh, there must be a poop floating

15:17

around in here. Yeah. Well, do you

15:19

smell things differently up there? You do,

15:22

but I think you still smell worse

15:24

in space because your head's all full

15:26

of blood. Yeah, makes you stuffy. But

15:28

anyway, do you have another question for

15:30

us, or should I try and hit

15:32

one? Oh, I can do one. There

15:34

was one from a recent recording that

15:36

we didn't get to, that I felt

15:39

personal kinship with, and this is from

15:41

Keely, who says, hi, Hank and John,

15:43

I'm Keely, and I'm currently pregnant. I

15:45

know that when this baby gets bigger,

15:47

all of my organs will get squished

15:49

into other parts of my body. I

15:51

was wondering if my organs stay smaller

15:53

for a while, or if they bounce

15:56

back pretty quickly after birth, just wondering

15:58

when I'll be able to eat a

16:00

full meal again. which I relate to.

16:02

I was pregnant last year. It

16:04

hurts your stomach and your

16:06

ability to eat. It's so

16:09

weird. Like where does it all

16:11

go? It all has to keep

16:13

moving through. It has to move

16:16

past the maybe. Yeah, yeah, and it

16:18

moves and I think some of the changes

16:20

for me were very gradual like I didn't

16:22

fully realize that like my stomach was getting

16:24

squished and that was uncomfortable But it was

16:26

like it but I could realize like oh,

16:28

I can't breathe as well Or like I

16:31

had acid reflex. I was like oh a

16:33

lot of foods just like don't feel good

16:35

anymore So yeah, by the end I was

16:37

definitely ready to have a baby and then

16:39

also just like physically I was also like

16:42

very curious like what is it going to

16:44

feel like like I remember like in the

16:46

days leading up to labor being like huh like

16:48

I am huge right now there is a baby inside

16:50

of here in a few days there is not going

16:52

to be a baby inside of here like what's going

16:54

to happen just a bunch of space isn't it

16:57

all like rattling around in there at that

16:59

point yeah Yeah, yeah, and honestly, I

17:01

think it still is. I'm not sure all

17:03

of my organs have found their

17:05

way back to the original. So

17:07

like where they're supposed to be.

17:10

Yeah. Is there like a time

17:12

lapse? There should be like an

17:14

MRI time lapse of a person

17:16

after pregnancy. Yeah, I mean, I

17:18

think the sheer exhaustion. I would

17:20

just be like, yes, please stick

17:23

me in the MRI and let me

17:25

give me a chance to have a

17:27

break. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, and like a

17:29

barely before pregnancy, like just to

17:31

give a sense of the scale,

17:34

apparently before pregnancy, your uterus is

17:36

about the size of a lemon

17:39

by the time you deliver, it's

17:41

about the size of a

17:43

watermelon. So that's a big

17:45

watermelon too. Not like one

17:47

of those like picnic watermelons.

17:50

Everybody's coming. The barbecue watermelon.

17:52

Big old watermelon. Like you

17:54

took time to pick out

17:56

this watermelon. Yeah. And so

17:58

obviously like that like presses everything around

18:00

you're also you've got the placenta so

18:03

that's like something else that is taking

18:05

up space in your body which is

18:07

another thing that like I have a

18:09

bone to pick with the birth people

18:11

I thought like originally before I give

18:13

birth I'm like okay you give birth to

18:16

a baby and you're done it's like no

18:18

no you give birth to the baby and

18:20

then you gotta give birth to an organ

18:22

yeah luckily it's at that point you've done

18:24

the worst part you've done the worst

18:26

part but like that's not sound nice

18:28

though I mean by that point I

18:31

was just like so hopped up

18:33

on like this baby that I was

18:35

like oh yeah cool placenta yeah

18:37

but it takes apparently

18:39

about six weeks after

18:41

delivery for your uterus

18:43

to get back to

18:45

its original size and

18:47

that's your process called

18:50

involution yeah which is

18:52

involution is that where your

18:54

body eats your uterus it maybe

18:56

it sure sounds like it yeah

18:58

It's the shrinkage of an organ. It

19:00

can be the shrinkage of an organ

19:03

at any time, but also after childbirth.

19:05

Yeah, I mean, I guess that's probably

19:07

the most notable one that

19:09

happens. Yeah, it also apparently happens

19:11

to organs as you age.

19:13

Your organs get smaller. So yeah, I

19:16

mean... For Keeley, all I'll say is you

19:18

will be hungry probably pretty soon after

19:20

giving birth. Especially anyone who does breastfeeding,

19:22

like you're just starving all the time

19:24

because a big chunk of your body

19:27

is now being dedicated to feeding another

19:29

body. So I wouldn't worry about needing

19:31

to eat, like wanting to feel the

19:33

need to eat again, I'd worry more

19:35

about like having. the ability to save

19:38

her your food and sit down and eat,

19:40

but that'll come back eventually. Yeah. But

19:42

the rest of the organs don't shrink,

19:44

do they? They just get pushed around.

19:46

Pushed around. Yeah. Because it would be weird

19:48

to have your stomach like shrink like

19:51

that and then expand again. Right. And

19:53

you need more resources than ever before.

19:55

So like if anything, it feels like

19:57

your organs would beef up a little

19:59

bit. heart is pumping more blood,

20:02

your lungs are oxygenating more

20:04

blood, your liver is filtering

20:06

more blood, your kidneys are

20:08

filtering more blood. Yeah, it's a

20:10

lot of blood. I think I'd like

20:12

to take it back. I talked about

20:15

blood too much. I talked about blood

20:17

too much. I didn't mean to freak

20:19

you out pregnant people, but you got

20:21

a lot of blood in you right

20:23

now. Yeah. So you got like twice

20:25

the number of bones as usual, and

20:28

a third more blood. Yep, yeah. Sorry

20:30

Keely, I didn't mean to turn

20:32

this into like, oh my god,

20:34

pregnancy is scary. It'll be great,

20:36

it'll be fine, and you'll get to

20:38

eat, and it's all fine. But also,

20:41

like, you know that your body is

20:43

doing a lot, you get, it's inescapable.

20:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I still remember

20:48

having this conversation like way back where

20:50

we were talking about Like pain receptors

20:52

in the gut and you were like

20:54

saying something like oh I wonder if

20:56

it like what it would feel like

20:58

to feel a hand like in your

21:00

gut And I was like yeah, I

21:02

could tell you it feels weird. There's

21:05

there's a there are limbs inside

21:07

of me moving right now And

21:09

it's weird. I know and it's

21:11

like the most natural normal thing

21:13

every single person has been birthed

21:15

the least normal thing a person

21:17

can do to just build another

21:20

person. Right, yeah, it's really wild.

21:22

And then you look at this

21:24

baby and you're like, you were

21:26

made inside of my body. Like

21:28

you constructed all of these things.

21:30

Like when, like I had a

21:32

feel like my baby would have

21:34

hair, but seeing it. was weird.

21:36

Also like first trimester for some

21:38

reason I was really hung up

21:40

on the fact that they were

21:42

going to be like hands and

21:44

feet inside of me and like seeing

21:46

them was like yeah this is

21:48

weird. I don't know why the

21:51

limbs particularly freak me out but like

21:53

that's weird. Hands and feet

21:55

are weird. Yeah. Just like tentacles

21:57

on the end of your tentacles.

22:00

They're like fractal humans. Yeah, it's

22:02

like whenever you picture like an

22:04

animal that doesn't have hands with

22:06

hands, it's very upset. So yeah,

22:09

I think the theme of today's

22:11

episode so far is life is

22:13

just weird. Life is weird, life

22:16

is weird and amazing. Yeah, and

22:18

life made more life. Let's do

22:20

more physics though. This question comes

22:22

from Alexander who asks, dear Hankin

22:25

Duboki, how does copper work? It's

22:27

not magnetic, but it seems to

22:29

have some sort of connection to

22:32

electromagnetism that I've never quite understood.

22:34

It's commonly used in electronics and

22:36

all kinds of various things, and

22:38

there's that magnetic breaking trick you

22:41

sometimes see with copper. What's going

22:43

on? Scared, Alexander. Metals can do

22:45

electromagnetism whether or not they are

22:48

magnetic. I think is one of

22:50

the big confusing things here. So

22:52

there's like a thing that means

22:54

some metals can be magnetic. What

22:57

is it? I always forget. Yeah.

22:59

There's a lot of how Devoking

23:01

and Ice Conversations go. It's like,

23:04

I know that this exists and

23:06

so I can look it up.

23:08

Right, yeah. Yeah, that's really the

23:10

trick to my job is just

23:13

figuring out what is the right

23:15

thing to Google. Like what are

23:17

the words that I know are

23:20

vaguely associated with. Die poll. Yeah.

23:22

I was also not entirely sure

23:24

what the magnetic breaking trick is,

23:26

so I don't know if you

23:29

know what it is. Yeah, yeah,

23:31

yeah. I mean, I know, again,

23:33

I know enough about it to

23:36

look it up, but there is

23:38

this situation where if you drop

23:40

a slug of something that conducts

23:42

electricity through something that is magnetic,

23:45

it will slow it down. Even

23:47

though the copper itself isn't magnetic

23:49

because it's inducing a current and

23:51

in the in the magnetic metal

23:54

and that is creating a magnetic

23:56

field that is slowing down. If

23:58

I got that wrong, forgive me,

24:01

but I think that's what's going

24:03

on. I didn't look this up.

24:05

It sounds right. Because that's what

24:07

happens, right? You know, like, it's

24:10

all about like conductors moving inside

24:12

of currents. And that's how you

24:14

create all of the electricity that

24:17

we use in stuff. But yeah,

24:19

I think that any electrons moving,

24:21

moving, We're going to be fudging

24:23

stuff a little, but that's fine.

24:26

Any electrons moving through a wire

24:28

are going to create a magnetic

24:30

field, and that is what we

24:33

use. Like when we spin stuff

24:35

in power plants, that's what we

24:37

use to actually create electricity, is

24:39

just like getting magnets. And copper

24:42

can do that, but copper doesn't

24:44

have this other property that submittals

24:46

have that allow it to actually

24:49

get an induced magnetic field in

24:51

response to a magnet, and thus

24:53

a magnet will stick to it.

24:55

So you can't stick a magnet

24:58

to copper. It doesn't have that

25:00

property. And so that's what makes

25:02

it so that I won't do

25:05

the magnet thing. And I think

25:07

it seems confusing that it does

25:09

like all of this electromagnetism stuff

25:11

with all metals dual, but then

25:14

there's this other property that allows

25:16

something to be stuck to by

25:18

magnets. And then there is yet

25:21

a further property that allows something

25:23

to be a magnet. Because things

25:25

can do electromagnetism without being magnetic.

25:27

Like that is just a function

25:30

of the ways of doing electromagnetism.

25:32

And the copper is a very

25:34

good conductor, which is why we

25:36

use it in all of these

25:39

things. It's a good conductor. It's

25:41

a good conductor. It's a good

25:43

conductor. It's relatively plentiful in the

25:46

earth's crust. It's relatively easy to

25:48

do a bunch of stuff with

25:50

like it's ductile. So you can

25:52

stretch it into a really long

25:55

thread. And so that makes it

25:57

good for being wires basically. Yeah.

25:59

Yeah But

26:02

it's why that's why we use it. That's why

26:04

we use it. That's it's a

26:06

good stuff copper and We

26:09

need more of it than ever. Look

26:11

at us. Yeah. Yeah, it's also it's

26:13

very important for like electric motors So

26:15

we needed in all of the electrification

26:17

we're doing for Electric

26:20

cars is a big one, but also like

26:22

heat pumps and stuff You know anytime

26:24

you're spinning spinning something you're gonna use in some time. What

26:26

are like the where the big iron

26:28

sources? The big iron

26:30

sources? Well, if you drill

26:32

straight down forever. Yeah. Just

26:37

keep going. I

26:39

don't know where we get iron. I

26:43

Mean, I think there's a lot of iron I

26:51

mean, I think that copper exists in

26:53

a lot of the same places as other

26:55

metals So what I know this because

26:57

of Montana history a lot of times you

26:59

start out as a gold mine And

27:01

then you run out of gold and you

27:03

become a copper mine Because you've

27:05

like got a bunch of the infrastructure already

27:07

in place. You've got the the labor you've

27:09

got the right You know, you've got a

27:11

whole dug and you start to you start

27:14

to pull out copper or and you were kind

27:16

of pulling out copper or the whole time but

27:19

the And then and

27:21

then oftentimes it turns into

27:23

the open pit mine where instead of like

27:25

following a vein You'll just dig

27:27

up the whole mountain, which is what beauties.

27:29

I don't know if you know about butte

27:31

Montana But yeah, I'm driven by it. Yeah,

27:33

it's it's got a real big hole that

27:36

used to be a mountain Yeah, yeah, that's

27:38

what really struck me like because like at least on

27:40

the freeway route that I was taking It felt like

27:42

you're just kind of driving through a big. Yeah

27:44

cavern of a town kind of like

27:46

Yeah, I wasn't really expecting

27:48

it to look like that. It was cool. Yeah,

27:51

or it's neat to look at.

27:53

Yeah, and and we I

27:56

mean with that that mine is no longer

27:58

active, but there are You know, there

28:00

are still active copper mines all over

28:02

the world, of course, but also in the

28:05

US. I think there's a big one

28:07

in Utah. I think I've, I think I've,

28:09

I think you fly over it sometimes. And

28:11

it's like, holy moly, that is a big

28:13

hole in the ground. Here is one from

28:15

Jake who asks dear Hank and John. Again,

28:17

I'm sorry, I don't know, I'm sorry if

28:20

I hope this is okay if I'm doing this

28:22

to you, but I'm doing this to you, but

28:24

I'm doing this to you, but I'm doing this

28:26

to you. I'm here to answer all

28:28

of the pregnancy science questions. I'm all

28:31

for it. Someone recently asked and I

28:33

didn't end up doing anything with it,

28:35

but someone asked if the umbilical cord

28:37

has nerves and who feels it when

28:39

it gets cut. And I was like,

28:41

I feel like it wouldn't have nerves

28:43

and indeed it doesn't. So no one

28:45

feels it when it gets cut. Yeah. Again,

28:47

the idea of feeling anything after a

28:50

given birth. I actually asked Catherine.

28:52

I was like, did it feel

28:54

like anything when they cut the

28:56

umbilical cord? I have no idea.

28:58

Yeah. I relate to that feeling.

29:00

She's like, I don't even like

29:03

that you asked. Yeah. So does

29:05

the umbilical cord have nerves? It

29:07

does not. And it is not

29:09

the only part of the body.

29:12

Most of the body is innervated

29:14

in some way so that you

29:16

feel it when things happen to

29:18

it. Right. But the brain is

29:21

not. Which is interesting. So you

29:23

like you could once you're

29:25

in there you can wiggle

29:27

all around in the brain

29:29

and you wouldn't feel it

29:32

except that That's a thing

29:34

from Hannibal, isn't it? Aye,

29:36

yay, no, I don't know The show

29:38

the TV show probably both the

29:40

TV show and the movie I

29:42

don't want to know what you're

29:45

about to tell me I've not

29:47

watched either of those pieces

29:49

of media The confused about umbilical

29:51

cords, not the during pregnancy part,

29:53

although that is also a little

29:55

bewildering, but what happens after birth?

29:57

You have to cut the cord.

30:00

Where? Right close up to the

30:02

belly? What if you cut it

30:04

too high up? Is that how

30:06

outies happen? And how do other

30:08

mammals deal with their umbilical cords?

30:10

They don't have scissors. Also, how

30:12

did ancient humans deal with the

30:14

cord? Also, how did ancient humans

30:16

deal with the cord? What did

30:18

we do before we had scissors?

30:20

A former baby, Jake. Yeah. Those

30:23

are nature scissors. They might eat,

30:25

they might also eat that thing.

30:27

Yeah. And like we probably did

30:29

too until we figured out how

30:31

to use other instruments. Just bite

30:33

it. There was like a special

30:35

member of the community who was

30:37

the cord biter. Yeah. As doing

30:39

a bunch of other stuff probably

30:41

too. And then they were like,

30:43

you know, I don't know. Humans

30:45

have had sharp stuff for a

30:48

long time. Yeah. I think we've

30:50

had sharp stuff since before there

30:52

were, before there were people. Yeah,

30:54

and I wonder what point was

30:56

like the we're we're done with

30:58

teeth like we just got a

31:00

we got to go to an

31:02

instrument to do this Well, it's

31:04

a big thing. So I think

31:06

from from like the advent of

31:08

culture regardless of whether it was

31:10

a blade or teeth there was

31:13

probably like significance to that choice

31:15

Yeah, I like thinking about things

31:17

that mattered a long time ago

31:19

Yeah, because of course we can't

31:21

know but you know like babies

31:23

laughed like Neolithic babies laughed and

31:25

like a golden work cute. So

31:27

like that was the thing. But

31:29

I also like, we had so

31:31

many fewer things. I like to

31:33

think that like the blade that

31:36

was that that you like cut

31:38

the baby's umbilical cord with was.

31:40

I like to think. This is

31:42

the first time I've ever had

31:44

this thought, but I'm enjoying having

31:46

it. That you get to, that

31:48

like then that becomes like an

31:50

important object for the parents or

31:52

for the baby. Yeah, that is

31:54

nice to think. Now that I've

31:56

thought it, I will think it.

31:58

more often. I should go back

32:01

to the hospital, be like, can

32:03

you give me that scalpel? I

32:05

don't even know if they used

32:07

a scalpel. I was so out of

32:09

it. If they could have used their

32:11

teeth and I wouldn't have known. And

32:13

they clamp it because it does have

32:15

blood still going through it. Yep. So

32:17

they clamp it and then they cut

32:19

it. Yeah. And then what was the

32:22

other part of this question? Like, how

32:24

do you know where to cut it?

32:26

Yeah. I think that. Would you remember

32:28

your baby's umbilical? You must if it's

32:30

not that long? Apparently it was very

32:32

long. Yeah, it's a very weird detail.

32:34

Yeah, like my dula in the midwise where

32:36

they were all like, I've never seen an

32:38

umbilical cord this long. I was like, I

32:40

don't need to be told about any superlatives

32:43

right now. The only thing I want

32:45

to hear is you did the best

32:47

we've ever seen. Yeah, I was going

32:49

back through pictures from the birth and

32:51

there's one of my dula like holding

32:53

up this umbilical cord. Oh my God. Okay,

32:55

I guess. You can jump a rope with

32:58

this thing. Yeah, I think you kind of

33:00

could. I mean, I don't, I don't, at

33:02

least a baby could. If a baby could

33:04

jump, a baby could definitely jump. Yeah, yeah.

33:06

A two or three year old, definitely. Yeah.

33:08

What a, oh my God, that's wild. That

33:10

would make me nervous. That's the thing I

33:12

remember. Like everything that was unusual, I was

33:15

like, is that bad though? Yeah, right, yeah.

33:17

Luckily I didn't know until the

33:19

baby was here. Like before him, we

33:21

didn't know anything. But I was one

33:23

of those babies that tried to like,

33:26

whoa, whoa, it's still going. Yeah, I

33:28

wonder if they can see it. They

33:30

must be able to. But like, I

33:32

was one of those babies that tried

33:34

to wrap the umbilical cord around their

33:37

neck as they were being born. So

33:39

like, I think if I had known I

33:41

would have been really freaked, I would

33:43

have been really freaked. Maybe your

33:45

mom also had a really long umbilical

33:47

cord. Maybe, yeah, no one told her

33:49

apparently, but it's just like one of

33:51

those things that I was like, huh. I

33:53

just kind of assumed they were all

33:55

of a standard length, like we all

33:57

have a standard length of umbilical cord.

34:00

I would, yes, I mean, but

34:02

with anything, there's a range and

34:04

apparently you're on the outside. And

34:06

what is that related to? Is

34:09

that related to long-term outcomes? Yeah,

34:11

hopefully means all of the most

34:13

genius baby. Exactly. Mozart had the

34:15

longest baby. Oh God. But yeah,

34:17

I think that they cut it

34:20

roughly in the middle and then

34:22

they do end up cutting it

34:24

close, like an injury from the

34:26

baby's belly button, and then... you

34:29

wait for it to fall off.

34:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's one another

34:33

weird thing that like, you don't,

34:35

like you see these cute pictures

34:38

of babies, they have a little

34:40

stump on their belly and that's

34:42

where their umbilical cord was and

34:44

you gotta wait for that to

34:47

just come off one day before

34:49

you can really give them a

34:51

bath because you're not supposed to

34:53

let it get too wet or

34:56

anything. Because it can, because it's,

34:58

you know, it's, you know, it's,

35:00

it's dead flesh, it's dead flesh.

35:02

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't

35:05

let us discourage you from having

35:07

children. It's great. Yeah. I mean,

35:09

like, all the weird smells you're

35:11

gonna get from your child. It

35:14

is biological. I'll say that about

35:16

it. Right. Yeah. Definitely biological. Yeah,

35:18

I mean, that's the thing. It's

35:20

like, I feel like it sounds

35:23

scary when you talk about it,

35:25

but it's also like so cool,

35:27

like pregnancy, like now that I've

35:29

gone through a full pregnancy, I'm

35:32

like, that was really cool. And

35:34

like, looking at a baby and

35:36

being like, huh, like, I was

35:38

really underestimated how cool it would

35:41

be to watch a baby, like,

35:43

learn how to sit is like...

35:45

weirdly compelling because you're like watch

35:47

them putting all these little pieces

35:50

together to get there and I'm

35:52

like oh this is so cool

35:54

yeah they don't know they know

35:56

how to do nothing yeah they're

35:59

idiots they're so They're like, they

36:01

don't even know how to move

36:03

their hands yet. No, yeah,

36:06

they're just like, they're

36:08

like, just realizing that

36:10

like, sometimes I would look

36:12

at a baby and be like,

36:14

I think all of your neurons

36:17

are just firing. Yeah. And like,

36:19

you don't know which ones. I

36:21

think that is correct. That

36:23

is, I mean, I don't know,

36:25

but that's the vibe that I get.

36:28

Yeah. I don't know, it feels important

36:30

somehow. It feels metaphorically resonant or

36:32

important to the future of artificial

36:35

intelligence or something. But that reminds

36:37

me that this podcast, Topoki, is

36:40

brought to you by the little

36:42

dried up stump of an umbilical

36:44

cord that some parents keep after

36:47

it falls off of the baby.

36:49

Yes. It's also brought to

36:51

you by my obscenely long

36:53

umbilical cord that was cut down

36:56

into a stump and that I

36:58

did not get to keep. It's

37:00

so long it had money to

37:02

spend on sponsoring a podcast.

37:05

Yeah. Yeah, it's a whole

37:07

thing though. This podcast is

37:10

also brought to you

37:12

about Butte Montana. We

37:14

electrified America. They do

37:16

say something like that.

37:18

in Bute. They're proud

37:20

of it. And they

37:22

should be. This podcast

37:24

is also brought to

37:27

you by Space

37:29

Fears. Amusement Park

37:31

experience. First they

37:33

dehydrate you. They

37:35

forget you. Bungy

37:37

jumping from space. This one

37:39

comes from silly, who asks dear Hank

37:41

and Deboki, what would happen if we

37:43

got our tail bones removed? I biked

37:45

like 20 kilometers today and I would

37:47

like to sit down. I'm not silly,

37:49

silly. I don't actually know how to

37:51

pronounce your name, so I just said

37:54

silly. But apparently you're not. So

37:56

look, we did our best. So we

37:58

don't need our tailbones to survive. Which

38:00

is one of the weird things.

38:02

Well, I mean, we don't need

38:04

most of things to survive A

38:06

lot of us is excess. It's

38:08

kind of it's kind of a

38:10

brain heart lungs vibe right going

38:13

on ultimately the rest of it

38:15

just just peripheral Yeah, but it

38:17

does do a lot of things.

38:19

It does support your body weight

38:21

while you're sitting it helps anchors

38:23

a lot of muscles helps support

38:25

your tendons and your ligaments. So

38:27

there's stuff there, which is why

38:30

it hurts probably because it's like

38:32

all the stuff that's connected to

38:34

has got strained. Yeah, so removing

38:36

it, especially if you're biking 20

38:38

kilometers, I think you're the kind

38:40

of person who's making good use

38:42

of your tailbones. You need it.

38:45

Yeah, so, or not your tailbones,

38:47

just the tailbone. It's just one

38:49

bone? One. Yeah, or I assume,

38:51

I assume at the very least

38:53

we all have one tailbone, like,

38:55

and we're gonna try and figure

38:57

out the answer to this question.

38:59

I bet that when you're a

39:02

baby it's a bunch of bones

39:04

and then it fuses into one

39:06

zone. Because it looks like it's

39:08

a bunch of vertebra. Yeah. It's

39:10

like that has the it has

39:12

the vibe of like four to

39:14

six vertebra. But no, I'm looking

39:16

at a different part. Oh gosh.

39:19

I didn't realize it was just

39:21

that little tiny part. It's so

39:23

little! Oh, what's that part? That

39:25

part's the posterior dorsal sacral, something.

39:27

So it's specifically referring to the

39:29

last bone of your spine. It

39:31

is just the last bone of

39:33

your spine. But it does look

39:36

like it's three bones that decided

39:38

over the course of evolution to

39:40

become one bone. Yeah, it is

39:42

several vertebra fused together. So, huh.

39:44

So usually they're made from four

39:46

fused vertebra, but some people can

39:48

have three to four. So there's

39:50

a range there too. So there

39:53

is a surgery to get rid

39:55

of the tailbone. Oh. It's called

39:57

a cocksidgetum, gectomy. A cocksaget, a

39:59

cocksaget, a cocksaget. Gectomy. Gectomy.

40:01

So because people do

40:03

have Coxac pain and

40:05

so Coxics, Coxac's tailbone

40:07

pain. So if it's

40:10

not responding to non-surgical

40:12

things, like you can

40:14

get it surgically removed.

40:16

Apparently if it hurts that bad.

40:18

Yeah. And one of the rare side

40:20

effects from the surgery is that

40:22

you can get a hernia, because

40:25

you've got this weekend pelvic floor.

40:27

So that is the thing that

40:29

could happen, I guess. Yeah. I

40:31

would say don't get rid of

40:33

it. I would say you need

40:35

your tailbone. You don't need your

40:38

tailbone. But it's good to have

40:40

your tailbone. It's doing work. It's

40:42

not for nothing. It's there for

40:44

a reason. But it is kind of

40:47

amazing the extent to which I hear

40:49

about them being problems. But I

40:51

guess if you land on your butt too

40:53

hard, that's kind of what you break.

40:55

Is that also like a we're sitting down

40:58

so much kind of thing that it's

41:00

like now a problem? Well,

41:02

what I will say is

41:04

biking 20 kilometers is not

41:06

what we were built for.

41:08

It's not like... You know,

41:10

like running 20 kilometers is

41:12

what we evolved to do,

41:14

and that also creates all

41:16

kinds of skeletal problems. But

41:18

yeah, we just did a sideshow

41:20

about the effect of people

41:23

who bike a lot on fertility

41:25

for men and people

41:27

with testicles. And that

41:30

situation... is wild, way

41:32

more wild than I expected it to

41:34

be. I just like, well, it's just

41:36

like a lot of guys have like

41:39

stuff that they have to deal with

41:41

because of their biking. And I'm

41:43

like, oh, I would just choose

41:45

a different sport if I had

41:47

weeks of penis numbness. Well, so

41:49

that reminds me, we did an

41:51

episode of Tiny Matters about this.

41:53

And it's from this great book.

41:55

We interviewed the author up to

41:58

Speed, who was talking about. bikers,

42:00

I mean the book overall is

42:02

about female athletes and the lack

42:04

of science around them, but she

42:06

was talking about like how badly

42:09

designed bike seats and bike clothing

42:11

is for female bikers and it

42:13

was like there was this known

42:15

kind of like open secret that

42:17

a lot of bikers were having

42:20

to get labia plasties because they

42:22

were just getting like in so

42:24

much pain and so much discomfort

42:26

after these endurance races. I was like

42:28

oh my god. What do

42:31

I do that's anything like

42:33

requiring that level of self-control?

42:35

It's just nothing. Or just

42:37

also dedication. Yeah, I guess

42:39

raising a child is it. Yeah, I

42:41

was going to say, like,

42:43

we have talked about blood

42:45

umbilical cords, organ squishing,

42:48

and I didn't do

42:50

those. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

42:52

you did that. Yeah,

42:54

I mean, chemo, probably,

42:56

some more, but, but,

42:59

but again, but you

43:01

didn't have a choice. To go

43:03

have to, like, go. Yeah. Oh boy.

43:05

I did, like, I went down

43:07

the path of pregnancy knowing it

43:10

was going to suck and still,

43:12

I would not, I still look

43:14

at endurance athletes and I'm like,

43:16

no, no, no, that's not for

43:18

me. Definitely not. I like for

43:20

at the end of the process

43:23

to have a baby at least.

43:25

Yeah, yeah. Rather than just pain,

43:27

but to all of the endurance

43:29

athletes out there listening to this

43:31

as they bike painfully, we're

43:33

impressed by you. and yeah you're doing

43:36

great and the reason and yeah I

43:38

mean maybe you just need to stop

43:40

raising the bar so much on yourself

43:42

maybe the bar maybe that maybe you've

43:44

cleared the bar and you should just

43:46

like I had this experience recently

43:49

because I go to the gym a

43:51

lot now and the first thing I do at

43:53

the gym is I just like bike for five

43:55

minutes to just warm up yeah and I

43:57

had to like had like four days on a

44:00

where I felt kind of like crap

44:02

the whole time I was at the

44:04

gym. And then Catherine was like, why

44:06

are you going so hard on the

44:08

bike? And I was like, I'm just

44:11

trying to, I'm trying to like, you

44:13

know, do a little aerobicobic. And she's

44:15

like, you're just warming up. And then

44:17

I was like, oh, and then I

44:19

like went like 80% as hard on

44:22

the bike. And I was like, oh,

44:24

the entire rest of the gym is

44:26

much more fun. Yeah, I mean pacing

44:28

yourself. It's one of those annoying things.

44:30

You're like, I'm here to make myself

44:33

be better, but it turns out there

44:35

are limits to the things that I

44:37

can do. And also, like, I'm here

44:39

to make myself be better, but I'm

44:41

also here to make sure I come

44:44

back next time. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I

44:46

can't make myself miserable doing this. Yeah,

44:48

it turns out that's the secret to

44:50

working out. Consistently is really just finding

44:52

a thing that you actually like doing

44:55

and doesn't make you miserable. Oh, okay.

44:57

Yep. And yeah, finding a buddy is

44:59

a big deal. So that's always very

45:01

helpful. Having, getting cancer, very motivating to

45:04

be healthier for as long as possible.

45:06

All that stuff. All right, Devoki, do

45:08

you have Mars News? I do have

45:10

Mars News. This is really a follow-up

45:12

to the last Mars News because the

45:15

last time we were kind of being

45:17

held in suspense about how NASA was

45:19

going to be talking about their plans

45:21

around the Mars Sample Return Project, which

45:23

is set to return samples collected by

45:26

the Perseverance Rover. The project has been

45:28

in limbo because it turned out it's

45:30

going to cost a lot more and

45:32

take a little more time than originally

45:34

planned for. So NASA talked about it.

45:37

And now... What I've taken from this

45:39

is the plan is now going to

45:41

be in two limbows because NASA is

45:43

going to try and make the Mars

45:45

sample return happen, but they just don't

45:48

know how they're going to do it.

45:50

And so they are working through two

45:52

plans and they're going to decide at

45:54

the end of 2026, which one is

45:56

the plan that's going to happen. So

45:59

one of them is going to be

46:01

using methods that NASA has used to

46:03

land perseverance and curiosity. The other plan

46:05

is to look at using a commercial

46:08

heavy lander. And according to NASA, both

46:10

of these plans should be a lot

46:12

cheaper than the $11 billion that was

46:14

estimated for the original plan. Like that

46:16

was the amount that kind of put

46:19

a pause on everything. But again, we're

46:21

not going to know until the end

46:23

of next year. Which of these plans

46:25

is going to happen? I think if

46:27

they put me in charge of it I could

46:29

figure it out, you know. Yeah, yeah. There's like,

46:32

like you have to have a thing go up

46:34

and then you have to have it go back

46:36

down and then you have to have it go

46:38

up again and then come back down. Yeah.

46:40

And that just seems like jumping.

46:42

Yeah. We know how to do that. Yeah,

46:44

bold words from us

46:47

when we were

46:49

like electromagnetism. That

46:51

thing. I know that

46:53

the word dipole exists. Yes.

46:56

I'm sure of that.

46:58

I found that I can do physics

47:00

sometimes. And like so weirdly, I am

47:02

better at quantum than I am at

47:04

mechanics. And I think it's because the

47:06

secret to physics is to know when

47:08

to stop thinking. And so I feel

47:10

like if I could operate with that

47:12

philosophy here, like in quantum, I learned

47:14

like, oh, if I stop thinking like

47:16

immediately, this makes a lot of sense.

47:18

Mechanics, I keep thinking I can eventually

47:21

make sense of it. And that's my

47:23

problem. And I do feel like. with

47:25

that jump, like if we just need

47:27

to get the thing to go up

47:29

and need it to come back down, like

47:31

if we can stop there, I can make

47:33

it happen. That is where my, the appropriate

47:36

range of my genius. Yeah. And then

47:38

you just fly over the surface of

47:40

Mars with some kind of helicopter with

47:42

a magnet on the bottom of it

47:45

and all the samples stick to the

47:47

bottom and then you just bundle

47:49

up and get back and then

47:51

go back and then go back

47:54

and go back up. Yeah. I

47:56

can't really, we just solved it

47:58

on a pot. Yeah, God, this

48:01

is, is this how Elon Musk

48:03

feels all the time? Right. In

48:05

news from AFC Wimbledon, you probably

48:07

already know about this news, John,

48:09

did a bunch of live streams

48:11

over the, just a ton of

48:14

live streams over the last few

48:16

months, and playing FIFA, signing stuff,

48:18

doing other things, and... He decided

48:20

that all the super chats from

48:22

that any money that came in

48:24

in the ways that people make

48:27

money doing live streams these days

48:29

Would go toward A of soon

48:31

build a player fund which is

48:33

how they get new Good people

48:35

to join the team and The

48:37

and they they raised enough money

48:40

to pay for like most of

48:42

a new player whose name is

48:44

Marcus Brown and they are now

48:46

John's live streams are responsible for

48:48

this man John got to do

48:51

a live stream interview with him

48:53

and now he just has a

48:55

huge amount of pressure on him

48:57

to perform well and score goals

48:59

and stuff and I don't I

49:01

don't I think he's a midfield

49:04

player and but the the good

49:06

news is that so like this

49:08

is happening this is how I

49:10

understand it anyway right now there's

49:12

what's called a transfer window in

49:14

the middle of the season the

49:17

players on the teams can get

49:19

shuffled around. If they're doing exceptionally

49:21

well, they might move to a

49:23

higher league. If they're doing badly,

49:25

they might kick them out and

49:28

try and get somebody else in.

49:30

And usually because AFC Wimbledon is

49:32

not a rich club and doesn't

49:34

have a bunch of money behind

49:36

it. The transfer window is a

49:38

very bad time where a bunch

49:41

of money behind it. The transfer

49:43

window is a very bad time

49:45

where a bunch of their players

49:47

go to get paid more doing

49:49

so well this year. They're like

49:51

fifth in the league that the

49:54

players don't want to leave because

49:56

they might move up to the

49:58

next tier of football. not by

50:00

transferring, but just by moving up

50:03

with the club, which feels better

50:05

and maybe is better for like

50:07

their careers to be like, I

50:09

was on a club that moved

50:11

up. And so instead of losing

50:13

a bunch of people, they've lost

50:15

nobody it seems like during the

50:17

transfer window and they gained Marcus

50:20

Brown, who is probably pretty

50:22

good at football. Yeah, that's really

50:24

cool. A school of live streams

50:26

paid for it. That's really neat. I

50:28

don't understand how any of this works. It

50:31

just seems like a weird, I don't know.

50:33

I guess it's just like, you don't

50:35

understand how transfer windows work?

50:37

No, I don't, like the economics of

50:39

it. There's just like so many football

50:42

teams. But I guess like, it's just

50:44

a, it's like a live events business. Yeah.

50:46

People want to go see these sports players

50:48

play sports. Right. It is like fascinating

50:51

to keep track to keep track of

50:53

the transfer. Yeah. And the transfer window

50:55

in general I've learned is like a

50:57

very funny time to follow. soccer because

50:59

you're just like there's so much

51:01

rumor there's so much weird stuff going

51:03

on and then there are weird shenanigans I

51:05

think there was like my husband's told

51:07

me some of the really crazy stories

51:09

of like transfers that fell apart because

51:11

they didn't get in done in the

51:13

deadline I think one of them might

51:16

have involved like a fax that didn't

51:18

go through in time or forms that

51:20

weren't signed in time so I think

51:22

that if you watch a lot of

51:24

the soccer documentaries the inevitably at some

51:26

point they get to the transfer window

51:28

and you're just like watching these guys

51:30

in suits run from like room to

51:32

room on like phones and like with

51:34

forms in their hand it's like really

51:36

compelling drop oh my god it must

51:38

be so stressed bureaucracy yeah I just

51:40

want a job that's not like that

51:42

That's... Imagine if you had to

51:44

have a transfer window for like

51:46

writing YouTube videos. Oh, I love

51:48

it if like all YouTubeers were

51:50

like somehow independent agents between the

51:53

different platforms and it's like, come

51:55

and get me! We should do

51:57

that. That should be how it

51:59

works. Yeah, you can draft it.

52:01

Sorry, I'm not going to upload to

52:03

your your platform. I mean, that is

52:06

like that is a thing that has

52:08

happened with Twitch dreamers where yeah, you

52:10

know, YouTube or the Microsoft one will

52:13

poach them from switch and be like

52:15

you can't post on Twitch anymore. So

52:17

I guess kind of, but we need

52:20

it. We need it for like the

52:22

little guys too for the league force

52:24

of the YouTube world. Yeah. Yeah. Please

52:27

let us matter. We're really good at

52:29

this. I promise. I promise. I mean,

52:31

I guess the economics are the same,

52:34

whether you're like a soccer player or

52:36

a YouTube or like, I mean, the

52:38

economics are different. The principles are the

52:41

same. Yes, yes, we need teams. We

52:43

need teams. I don't know how to

52:45

do it. I'm scared for all my

52:48

TikTok friends. Yeah. I don't know how

52:50

to do it. I'm scared for all

52:52

my TikTok for making a podcast with

52:55

me. Yeah, thank you for having me.

52:57

I feel like we should have done

52:59

more, but I like the idea of,

53:02

since you are oftentimes like have kinship

53:04

to questions that don't get answered, if

53:06

they don't get answered, and you're like,

53:09

ah, you should put that in a

53:11

list. Yeah, I'll start doing that. And

53:13

then we could do this every once

53:16

in a while and be like, here

53:18

are the ones. I mean, I was

53:20

excited to be able to explain organs

53:23

moving around because I felt a strong

53:25

kinship with that question, getting to explore

53:27

the science of being pregnant, like, and

53:30

especially because I understand. I understand where

53:32

you were at, Keeley, where you were

53:34

just trying to get through it, and

53:37

I hope everything goes well for you

53:39

and anyone else who is pregnant. Man,

53:41

that sounds like a good book, actually,

53:44

like an actual kind of like awe

53:46

of and wonder of science pregnancy book,

53:48

rather than sort of the, you know,

53:51

prescriptive pregnancy book. Yeah. Oh, don't worry

53:53

I've thought about it. All right. I'll

53:55

have to talk more about that, I

53:58

guess. Everybody, thank you so much for

54:00

a little. I'm listening to the podcast

54:02

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54:05

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54:07

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54:09

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54:12

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54:14

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54:16

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54:19

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