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hear probably the most all right

5:52

and I had to bring on

5:54

a real Cyop expert here to

5:56

clarify this because Cyop is thrown

5:58

around so loosely. Yeah. Especially

6:00

in the UFO community. It's

6:03

Cyop and grifter and all these

6:05

other, but Cyop is a specific

6:07

one. Yeah. And so I had

6:09

to clear the air. For all

6:11

you thinking, I'm a Cyop here, I might

6:13

be, but he's gonna be able to

6:15

tell you. I love that you're saying

6:18

Cyop and not Cyops. You know,

6:20

I got smoked when I was, well,

6:22

we call it smoke when they make

6:24

you. do push-ups and sit-ups in the

6:26

army if you say something or do

6:29

something wrong and a way of corrective

6:31

action and it comes from when you

6:33

start to be outside and it's cooler

6:35

and you get hot and the steam

6:38

comes off of you you're being smoked

6:40

right and so I we would say

6:42

as newbies we'd say sci-ops you know

6:44

and they were like there's no S

6:46

there's no sci-ops like because we're thinking

6:49

operations sure no it's just sci-op it's

6:51

just sci-op and that's one of the

6:53

pet peeves that I have when I

6:55

talk to people it's like Lego yeah

6:57

exactly there's no legos yeah I say

7:00

legos all the it triggers all the

7:02

the the lego nerds so the sci-op

7:04

nerds out there very happy with me

7:06

yeah so yeah tell us exactly Let's

7:09

start first of all how you got

7:11

into this program and then we'll get

7:13

into maybe what exactly you did with

7:15

this program. Yeah, yeah, so I was

7:17

looking to join the army I was

7:20

training in Njitsu in this martial arts

7:22

and my teacher had a bodyguard seminar

7:24

and you know he was talking about

7:26

hey I used to protect the Dalai

7:28

Lama and that was a very specific

7:31

way you got to be a bodyguard

7:33

for the Dalai Lama right you can't

7:35

just... be like a rap star bodyguard

7:37

where somebody does something wrong and you

7:39

just drop them on their head and like

7:41

this is the Dalai Lama you know so I

7:43

was really interested in that so I went

7:45

to the seminar when there was this guy there

7:48

named Michael Brewer and he's like super awesome

7:50

guy and I was telling him I was

7:52

going into the service because I really had

7:54

some skills and I wanted to use those

7:56

skills to help my country because it was

7:59

after 9-11. And I was like, I

8:01

want to go into the 18 X-ray program,

8:03

which is like the special forces, you enter

8:05

knowing that that's what you're going to be and

8:07

you go through a pipeline and so on

8:09

and so forth. And he was like, you

8:11

know, you should really, with this ninja background that

8:13

we have and so on, the thing you should

8:16

do is Siopp, and that's what I do.

8:18

And I said, well, what's that? And he

8:20

was like, oh, it's like psychological operations, like psychological

8:22

warfare warfare. And I was like psychological warfare.

8:24

Huh, I didn't know that was a thing.

8:26

He was like, yeah, you know, like the Ninja,

8:28

that's what we did back in a day, and

8:30

like, you should try it out. And so I

8:33

was like, okay, let's do it. And he was

8:35

like, in this way, if you get hurt, trying

8:37

to go through the Special Forces program, then you

8:39

go back to Sa'a. and you'll be hand in

8:41

hand with them. You'll go through a lot of

8:44

the same training and you'll know all of the

8:46

same people and that good old boy network, you'll

8:48

start to build those relationships. And so then if

8:50

you don't make it, if you decide you want

8:52

to go over there and you don't make it,

8:55

you're still right there with them. You're just in

8:57

a different capacity. And I was like, yeah, that's

8:59

a better strategy. And this sounds really cool.

9:01

And the more I dug into it,

9:03

the more I was like, no, this

9:05

is really where I need to be.

9:08

I'm cerebral, and I like to see

9:10

the depth and how things work and

9:12

how people's minds are working around specific

9:14

topics. And that's really what I was

9:16

passionate about. And having that ninja background

9:18

and that ninja connection and the ninja

9:20

being masters of psychological warfare. I was

9:22

like, this would be great for me

9:24

to transition into. And that's how it's

9:26

how it started. So you got you

9:28

were already prepped yes going into that

9:30

like you you kind of this kind of

9:33

like found to your lap a little bit

9:35

because of what you know we talked off

9:37

camera we'll get into that a lot but

9:39

there there are so many links between your

9:42

Ninja training yes Siyop and I

9:44

found even with magic there's like there's

9:46

so many and so you kind

9:48

of were prepared for this yeah it

9:50

happens now you're getting trained yeah can

9:53

you tell us a little bit about

9:55

what that entails what Siyop training? Yeah,

9:57

so I think that's really what's, it's

9:59

something. And we had this drill sergeant,

10:01

which is, he was a very unique

10:04

guy. And so I straight say, I

10:06

don't know if everybody got the same

10:08

experiences we had, but he really wanted

10:10

to, there's two of them, actually. They

10:13

wanted us to experience what it was

10:15

like to really use sound and manipulation

10:17

and all those things to your power.

10:19

So you can control or manipulate or

10:22

influence. different audiences and individuals. And so

10:24

during my training we would have just

10:26

off-the-wall stuff like you know this one

10:28

drill sergeant that I'm talking about so

10:31

you go to regular basic training and

10:33

then you get from you get done

10:35

with that and you go to like

10:37

your advanced individual training which is AIT

10:40

which is going to be where you

10:42

focus on where you focus on just

10:44

what you're doing because everybody's a soldier

10:46

first right so you go through that

10:49

basic training here's how you do unit

10:51

tactics stuff like that and I did

10:53

that at Fort Benning and then I

10:55

went to AIT and then you're like

10:57

okay well now here's what you are

11:00

to do as your specialty. And that

11:02

was where the Cyop training took place.

11:04

And so we have our school day

11:06

where you actually go to school and

11:09

learn like what is Cyop and how

11:11

do you do it and what are

11:13

the different words that you use and

11:15

all that stuff. And then we had

11:18

this drill sergeant and this guy would

11:20

like just manipulate and play with us

11:22

all the time. So times when we

11:24

thought we had to be done were

11:27

times that we weren't done. And so

11:29

for instance we get done after our

11:31

long day, we do PT in the

11:33

morning, come back, rush, try to scarf

11:36

something down, then go to the school

11:38

house, then you're sitting in school, learning

11:40

all this stuff all day. And then

11:42

you're like, okay, we get back and

11:45

we get back and he'd be like,

11:47

okay. We want you guys to go

11:49

up and make a map of all

11:51

your rooms and where everything is. Okay,

11:54

we go up and do that thinking

11:56

they just need to know and then

11:58

we bring it back down. Okay, cool.

12:00

We want it to look like this

12:02

out here on the lawn. So go

12:05

and get all your shit and bring

12:07

it out here and set it up

12:09

this way on the lawn. It's like

12:11

at 6 p.m. Right. So we're all

12:14

like what? You know, you got discouraged.

12:16

So now you got all of us

12:18

like going up, you know, to our

12:20

rooms. And you know, we do it,

12:23

we do our AIT in tandem with

12:25

civil affairs. Right. So it was civil

12:27

affairs guys and side of guys there.

12:29

So then we're like pulling all our

12:32

stuff. 11 o'clock, right? And so now

12:34

it's 11 o'clock and you're like, oh

12:36

man, and they're like, yeah, you guys

12:38

are gonna sleep outside. You're gonna sleep

12:41

outside. We don't care if it rains

12:43

tonight is gonna, so now you're trying

12:45

to deal with that psychologically and then

12:47

at 11 you get done and they're

12:50

like, all right, move all your shit

12:52

back inside. Really, my game. Yeah, so

12:54

then you spend all this time like

12:56

trying to, you know, do it and

12:59

then you get all your stuff back

13:01

inside and then they go into a

13:03

room, close the door and then they'll

13:05

move shit around and then they'll come

13:08

back in the room and have you

13:10

come back in and be like, what's

13:12

this? This doesn't look like you're what

13:14

you drew in your map here. Wow.

13:16

You're like, this is not how I

13:19

left a room. And they're like, shut

13:21

up, everybody get outside, we're going to

13:23

smoke you guys because, you know, Isler

13:25

didn't have his stuff ready, you know.

13:28

And so now we're all outside and

13:30

then we're everybody's mad at me or

13:32

whoever, you know, because they didn't get

13:34

it right. But really it was just

13:37

part of the thing. They went into

13:39

your room, rearranged it, came out and

13:41

yelled at you because it's not right.

13:43

You know, they're saying. that is not

13:46

right. And you're out here and you're

13:48

smoked and now everybody, us all is

13:50

resentment going on. And then you get

13:52

back in at like two in the

13:55

morning and they're like, all right, well,

13:57

go ahead and get some rest because

13:59

we got a PT test in the

14:01

morning. We're gonna do physical training and

14:04

we got, and if you don't make

14:06

it, you know, on your two mile

14:08

run and this time or whatever, we're

14:10

gonna. kick you out of here so

14:13

now you can't sleep so you know

14:15

like you're like sitting in bed like

14:17

oh no if I don't pass this

14:19

test everything is for nothing you know

14:21

I get I get kicked out of

14:24

here and then you wake up and

14:26

you know or if you if you

14:28

can't fall asleep you go outside and

14:30

then they're like all right just do

14:33

your normal PT and get ready for

14:35

class and you're like what and they're

14:37

like yeah there's no PT says it's

14:39

just a message just messing with you

14:42

and you really start to recognize you

14:44

creating all this discourse in people's mind

14:46

and their routines really or make giving

14:48

them hope like oh yeah when you

14:51

get home tonight we're not gonna mess

14:53

with you we're gonna give you as

14:55

much sleep as possible because we mess

14:57

with you last night and then you

15:00

get back and they mess with you

15:02

and they mess with you and they

15:04

mess with you and then you're like

15:06

whoa or you get or they're like

15:09

we're gonna mess with you when you

15:11

don't mess with you and you're like

15:13

I don't know what's reality and what's

15:15

reality and what's not reality here that

15:18

is I mean all to make you

15:20

uncomfortable, right? That seems like what it

15:22

is. So what's interesting is that, I

15:24

mean, my father did sign up as

15:27

well for the Canadian military. And, you

15:29

know, I remember my upbringing and there's

15:31

a lot of what you're saying that

15:33

goes into... He was preparing you. I'll

15:35

tell you after the podcast, but it's

15:38

like, yeah, a lot of similarities of

15:40

the psychological warfare. Very, very, very interesting

15:42

because... What do you think is the

15:44

purpose of that though? Is it just

15:47

to prepare you for those situations or

15:49

is it to break you? What do

15:51

you think is the goal? Stress inoculation,

15:53

right? So getting a person to understand

15:56

what it's like to be that level

15:58

of discomfort and then to understand how

16:00

to be able to push through that

16:02

and work with that. And that's very

16:05

challenging. And people don't get that. And

16:07

I remember going to my Ninja training,

16:09

talking to my Ninja teacher. He would

16:11

always. this thing. Everybody wants to be

16:14

a Ninja, but nobody wants to do

16:16

Ninja shit or be a, you know,

16:18

like, he didn't... say shit because he's

16:20

a Buddhist monk, but nobody wants to

16:23

really put in that ninja effort. And

16:25

I was like, well, what do you

16:27

mean? He was like, well, if you're

16:29

talking about being a ninja, you're talking

16:32

about a person who understands how people

16:34

psychology work and how to work that

16:36

psychology to your advantage. And so how

16:38

do you learn that? You have to

16:40

actually, for most part, most people have

16:43

to go through it. And that's tough.

16:45

And so that means that master teachers

16:47

of this would do stuff like, oh

16:49

yeah, Chris, he sucks. I don't want

16:52

him around. A matter of fact, you

16:54

guys should beat him up. We don't

16:56

want him here anymore. Then everybody's like,

16:58

the teacher told us to beat you

17:01

up and do all this stuff. And

17:03

you're like, but I trust my teacher,

17:05

why would you do that? You know,

17:07

and then like you come back and

17:10

you're like, teacher, they told me that

17:12

you said to beat me up. And

17:14

he's like, no, I didn't tell him

17:16

that. You know, I didn't tell him

17:19

that. You know, like, no, I didn't

17:21

tell him that. You know, you're like,

17:23

no, I didn't tell him. You know,

17:25

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

17:28

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

17:30

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

17:32

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

17:34

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

17:37

like, like, like, and how to recreate

17:39

that for other people. And the only,

17:41

and the best way to do that

17:43

is to have you go through it.

17:46

So that you can know on some

17:48

level what that feeling is. And those

17:50

that are the best in Cyop, they

17:52

hold on to that and they know

17:54

how to recreate that really well. So

17:57

it's not necessarily giving you an immunity

17:59

to it. No. From what I understand.

18:01

There is no immunity. There is no

18:03

immunity. completely disconnected from emotion and life

18:06

and you just want to live alone

18:08

as a hermit those are very and

18:10

those are people out there right but

18:12

they're very unique individuals like that's not

18:15

everybody you know the majority of us

18:17

have want to have connections and social

18:19

connections and be with people and we

18:21

have triggers and we have hooks right

18:24

and so but there's so many people

18:26

out there that who not so many

18:28

but a small majority out there are

18:30

minority out there that don't actually follow

18:33

those rules and and they're kind of

18:35

interesting individuals and normally you can pick

18:37

them out you know because they just

18:39

don't kind of fit in well and

18:42

there's some who pretend you know, their

18:44

cycle paths out there, murderers out there

18:46

who pretend to be like what you

18:48

expect them to see, like in the

18:51

show Dexter, I'm not sure if you

18:53

ever see him. Right, yeah, of course.

18:55

But like he, his whole life was

18:57

about like trying to pretend to be

18:59

normal, you know, even though he wasn't.

19:02

But when you are just a real

19:04

normal person and you go into one

19:06

of these things, then you start realizing

19:08

that you're not immune neither. We all

19:11

have a hook. And if you use

19:13

that and understand that, then it actually

19:15

makes you a little bit, in my

19:17

opinion, a little bit stronger. Because it's

19:20

the ones who believe that they know

19:22

and that they own everything about themselves

19:24

that are the easiest to fall. Shoo.

19:26

That's a big blow to the ego

19:29

for a lot of people. Oh yeah.

19:31

Because a lot of people are like,

19:33

not me. You hear it all the

19:35

time, you see it all the time,

19:38

it's like impossible that I'm being silent.

19:40

Yeah, yeah. Because I know and I

19:42

have the information and I studied the

19:44

trusted sources and you know, I know

19:47

it's the easiest people to fall. Yeah,

19:49

that's why I even asked Lou, like

19:51

if he, Lou Elizanda, I was like,

19:53

is there a potential that you might

19:56

be being used by like government agencies

19:58

for like their own agenda? And he

20:00

goes. It's possible. He's like, I know

20:02

a lot of the tricks and there

20:05

hasn't been one sign. Like usually like

20:07

there's like a telltale like something. He's

20:09

like, I haven't seen anything. But again,

20:11

you know, even he admits possible, right?

20:13

Yeah. They're that good, huh? Yeah. And

20:16

there's this has been going on for

20:18

a long time. So again, tying back

20:20

to my Ninja stuff. Sometimes. a group

20:22

or a clan because everybody signs on

20:25

if you're going to be a ninja

20:27

going out there, you know that your

20:29

life could be on the line and

20:31

that you may not make it. back,

20:34

right? So with that understanding and not

20:36

being in these groups not being tied

20:38

to the way we normally see things,

20:40

they're they kind of operate from the

20:43

scheme of totality. So like things are

20:45

happening in the way they should happen

20:47

and that's that's kind of tough for

20:49

people to get. they would send people

20:52

off on these missions with false information

20:54

and then feed the enemy information so

20:56

that they can get captured. So now

20:58

you got this agent out there that

21:01

gets captured, that has certain information, they

21:03

will resist because they think their information

21:05

is true and real. And then when

21:07

they finally crack and give that information,

21:10

it was all false information to begin

21:12

with. You know what I'm saying? And

21:14

now I read that in the book.

21:16

misinformation or yeah, as I see the

21:18

disinformation or misinformation, it's a it's a

21:21

book that came from a guy who

21:23

was KGB and like defected and he

21:25

was saying how they would often set

21:27

up whole companies like shell fake companies

21:30

with people, real people in them who

21:32

actually had real jobs who thought they

21:34

were doing real things, but all of

21:36

that was part of the sigh-up. It

21:39

was all part of the scam. So

21:41

if someone infiltrated that place and got

21:43

information from let's say you, you're telling

21:45

a story that you truly believe is

21:48

real. You're not lying. But that story

21:50

and that job and everything about it

21:52

was all set up as a way,

21:54

as a diversionary tactic for a really

21:57

good, you know, counter-spy program from another

21:59

country. You know? Wow. Yeah. That's intense.

22:01

And we can't do that on an

22:03

average, in our average day, everyday society,

22:06

we can't deal with that type of

22:08

depth and breath of like manipulation and

22:10

illusion. You don't have time. You don't

22:12

have time and you don't want to,

22:15

in your brain's just like, we need

22:17

it easy, we need to package. And

22:19

as a magician, you know that very

22:21

well. It's like, they don't want to

22:24

think. How the depths of how these

22:26

organizations would go to create the illusion,

22:28

you know And so just like sometimes

22:30

you look at a magician or if

22:32

you find out about like how they

22:35

do certain tricks you're like nobody would

22:37

go that far and they like but

22:39

all of the magicians behind the scenes

22:41

are like yeah we do go that

22:44

far we'll go that far for the

22:46

trick you know like Houdini you know

22:48

those guys like locking himself up and

22:50

you know upside down and water stuff

22:53

and you know and people are like

22:55

no way he has to be real

22:57

has to be magic nobody would actually

22:59

go through these depths to make it

23:02

so and you told me a story

23:04

about the handcuff thing oh yeah yeah

23:06

hudini is really interesting because like his

23:08

skill wasn't being a magician according to

23:11

other magicians he was He's pretty much

23:13

a ship magician. He wasn't a great

23:15

magician. He gets that rap because he

23:17

was the most famous magician, but he

23:20

was actually a fantastic escape artist. And

23:22

even better than being an escape artist,

23:24

he was a good marketer. And he

23:26

had a whole, I went to Copperfield's

23:29

museum and he showed me, he has

23:31

basically his whole library, he also has

23:33

his filing cabinet, who deanies actual filing

23:35

cabinet, a whole giant section that's just

23:37

marketing schemes. Yeah. And it's labeled as

23:40

such. and it's filled with the different

23:42

lengths that Houdini would go through to

23:44

draw a crowd. You know, and he

23:46

has some of these most amazing escapes,

23:49

there's a hundred thousand people watching him

23:51

escape from a straitjacket, like suspended, right?

23:53

And so, like, he would, for instance,

23:55

you know, go to like the best

23:58

handcuff place and be like, you guys

24:00

need to tweak this, this, and this,

24:02

to make it, you know, even better.

24:04

That would be, and they're like, and

24:07

they're... he'd have them bring it to

24:09

like the police station and be like

24:11

these are the best handcuffs in the

24:13

world no one will get out of

24:16

these right and it just so happens

24:18

hudini would come into town and be

24:20

like I will break out of any

24:22

handcuffs here if anyone has handcuffs I

24:25

will break out of them without issue

24:27

yeah and the cops were like yeah

24:29

you think you'll break out of these

24:31

these are the best and we have

24:34

a certificate and he's like all right

24:36

and little did they know that he

24:38

had made those tweaks so that he

24:40

can pick the locks easier or find

24:43

a way out or finagle his way

24:45

out of these cuffs and you know

24:47

so he would say fine you choose

24:49

the cuffs you choose the place and

24:51

he would do that and so he's

24:54

magicians often do that too they go

24:56

through great great lengths and that's why

24:58

I find this common bond between what

25:00

you're saying yeah and I find it

25:03

so fascinating because you are playing with

25:05

people's psychology a lot, like that's the

25:07

whole thing, psychological operations. Yeah. So you're

25:09

a bit of a magician yourself here.

25:12

Yeah, well thank you. Yeah. Avro-cadabro. Okay,

25:14

so can you give us a practical

25:16

example? And this doesn't have to be

25:18

something you've done, it can be, but

25:21

let's just say for arguments, just something

25:23

that you would do, let's say to

25:25

red team, to make. to make something

25:27

happen. Can you give us some type

25:30

of scenario where sciops would be very

25:32

useful and how you would... Well, I

25:34

think one hot topic today, which I

25:36

think we could talk about, is like,

25:39

and I always see things come out

25:41

in the news and I start brainstorming

25:43

like if... my commander came in and

25:45

said, hey, this is what we need

25:48

people to believe or think. How would

25:50

do that? You know? And one of

25:52

the topics is the UAPs, the drones,

25:54

UAP, whatever you want to call it,

25:56

that are flying all over the place

25:59

and there are these installations. And, you

26:01

know, one way I was thinking about

26:03

that is if I did not know

26:05

and did not have control over what

26:08

was actually happening. and but I didn't

26:10

want mass panic or I didn't want

26:12

I wanted to kind of control the

26:14

narrative then I would have put I

26:17

would put up as many flying weird

26:19

drones as possible so that the average

26:21

person who doesn't want to believe will

26:23

look at that and say oh that's

26:26

just a drone even though they know

26:28

it's like super weird and odd you

26:30

know they're just gonna go with their

26:32

own bias and say, no, that can't

26:35

be. They did say on the news

26:37

that it was all these things. And

26:39

that would be like a good little

26:41

cyop, which is like, okay, there are

26:44

things flying, we don't know what they

26:46

are, but we don't want the average

26:48

person to know that we don't know,

26:50

that we don't know, so we're going

26:53

to say that there are just these

26:55

things that we can all relate to,

26:57

and then for those who might have

26:59

a different opinion, we're going to say,

27:02

plasma waves. So it's either a drone

27:04

or a plasma wave, but the plasma

27:06

has a scientific foundation, the drone has

27:08

a scientific foundation. It all screams that

27:10

we understand. you know, what's happening or

27:13

what it is, maybe not where it's

27:15

coming from, but we all understand what's

27:17

happening. So it doesn't give people this

27:19

feeling of insecurity, like, we literally can't

27:22

control our skies and we don't know

27:24

how to deal with these things that

27:26

are up there. And there's still that

27:28

debate there, but if you really look

27:31

at it, it's... It's new information coming

27:33

out all the time and the information

27:35

that's coming out is changing. Some people

27:37

are saying mothership, some people are saying

27:40

this. And it's keeping you from landing

27:42

on any one thing because everybody's kind

27:44

of like, this is what I think

27:46

and I have people who told me

27:49

this is the truth and this is

27:51

what I think. So it leaves you

27:53

kind of confused. And as long as

27:55

you're confused, you're not on anybody's side,

27:58

and you can't really take a stand,

28:00

right? Interesting. So I keep you stuck

28:02

in the illusion long enough for us

28:04

to get through it. Yeah. So that

28:07

you can't really land on anything, because

28:09

once you land on something, and you

28:11

can then take a stand and say,

28:13

hey, I want to know more about

28:15

this, because this is what I understand.

28:18

This is an unidentified anomalous object in

28:20

the sky. I want to know what

28:22

it is. You have said that it's

28:24

something that we can't discern that's doing

28:27

things that we don't understand. And if

28:29

you say that, then now all of

28:31

us are going to band together and

28:33

demand more. more answer. But if you're

28:36

like, it could be a drone, and

28:38

then some of them are plasmoids, and

28:40

then some of them this, it makes

28:42

it a lot harder. Keeping them suspended

28:45

in confusion is an actual tactic. Yeah.

28:47

That's really interesting. You can't unify if

28:49

you're in confusion. Yeah, and you can

28:51

also, I mean, I suppose you can

28:54

just disseminate false info through the ranks

28:56

as well in that case and be

28:58

like, here, we'll tell the police. We'll

29:00

do this for the police, or we'll

29:03

do this to CIA, we'll do this

29:05

to the FBI. And now the answers

29:07

are conflicting and it's up for debate

29:09

still, meanwhile they're fixing whatever's happening. What

29:12

do you think is the move, because

29:14

I've speculated that much as well, that's

29:16

what's going on. They're covering something with

29:18

more things, right? They're just, in magic

29:20

we have an expression, the larger motion

29:23

hides, the smaller motion. So if I

29:25

were to do this and just. Vanish

29:27

the pen. That's a small motion. Your

29:29

eyes are kind of like on my

29:32

hands, but if I go, now there's

29:34

like more, the bigger motion hides the

29:36

smaller motion. Yeah. And that happens too.

29:38

So if you got like specific drones

29:41

going around, well, let's get more drones.

29:43

And now it's like, now the misdirect

29:45

is happening. Where do they, the people

29:47

who are... you know, doing all the

29:50

activity, how do they break that to

29:52

people? So you mean now that it's

29:54

over and off the news and... Yeah,

29:56

like what do they say? Like how

29:59

do they resolve it? Like obviously on

30:01

the news they said, oh it's just

30:03

FAA, whatever, but it's still going on.

30:05

Do they go... Oh, it was just

30:08

an exercise. Where's your head there? What

30:10

do you think they? I think that

30:12

saying that it's an exercise is one

30:14

way, which is. to some degree that's

30:17

coming out, and it really depends on

30:19

what was the purpose and what is

30:21

the outcome. So whatever they figure out

30:23

is the truth, then where you're going

30:26

to go from near depends on how

30:28

you want people to perceive. that truth

30:30

or an untruth. You go what I'm

30:32

saying? Like if it is an actual

30:34

UAP, right, then it's like we still

30:37

don't want people to know that. So

30:39

we have to say that it was

30:41

a training exercise. Maybe people will get

30:43

with that, you know, or we have

30:46

to say that it was us running

30:48

some special mission, secret mission, you know,

30:50

where it gives me an out because

30:52

it's like, oh. that's why we couldn't

30:55

tell you because it was a secret

30:57

mission sorry about that but this was

30:59

for national security you know like yeah

31:01

so and then you know most of

31:04

us you know most of us patriots

31:06

would be like oh okay yeah okay

31:08

got it you know they did what

31:10

they had to do and it did

31:13

make us uncomfortable but we understand that

31:15

you know the greater good yeah so

31:17

we'll explain it away and then we'll

31:19

also explain it away to our way

31:22

to our way to the story turns

31:24

out and what we agree with is

31:26

right so we'll pass that we'll perpetuate

31:28

that cycle. Yeah personal that's like that's

31:31

that hook again yeah we're gonna get

31:33

to that a second because that's really

31:35

interesting and that's like I feel like

31:37

that's the baseline of Cyop is that

31:39

hook yeah do you when you see

31:42

somebody like Jake Barber or Lou Elizondo

31:44

or any of these guys muggles us

31:46

here, we're watching this stuff and we're

31:48

commenting sigh-op or like this is a...

31:51

Does that ever go through your mind

31:53

as well or is there ever a

31:55

point where you rule out the sigh-up

31:57

completely? I never rule it out personally,

32:00

me personally, because I've seen people on

32:02

mask-gels like... Perfect example. There is nothing

32:04

more trippy. Then for you, I was

32:06

tactical Cyop, so we only worked in

32:09

teams of three with one local national

32:11

or foreign national that will work with

32:13

us to kind of help us understand

32:15

culture and that, you know, because sometimes

32:18

we may think it's okay to put

32:20

this on a flyer, but that actually

32:22

means like, you know, to hell with

32:24

your mom, you know, so that person

32:27

will help us understand the culture and

32:29

how that culture operates a little bit

32:31

deeper who lives there. So we worked

32:33

in these very small teams. There's nothing

32:36

more trippy than to see something that

32:38

you and a team of, well, you're

32:40

a team of three, so two other

32:42

people, and this one person, this one

32:45

other person, dreamt up. as

32:47

to how to manipulate and what you

32:49

want to people to say and what

32:51

you want to people to do, and

32:54

then start communicating with people in that

32:56

environment, in that group or that tribe

32:58

or in that culture, and they start

33:01

saying back to you things that you

33:03

wrote that you wanted them to say

33:05

on a board, but they are saying

33:07

it like it's their discovery, like it's

33:10

their truth now. Nothing will blow your

33:12

mind more and make you feel... Like

33:14

you are also programmed. You're like, whoa,

33:17

what the hell am I saying then?

33:19

What am I doing? Did somebody also

33:21

write that on the board somewhere and

33:24

say, this is what we want, I

33:26

came and people like I came to

33:28

say. And it's nothing more trippy. It's

33:31

like, it's, again, it's like you're in

33:33

a dream. It's a magic trick. Yes,

33:35

exactly. You're like looking at somebody and

33:38

you want them to believe that it's

33:40

magic and that it was like it

33:42

came out of the ether and you

33:44

got these wizard abilities, but really you're

33:47

like, that's what I wanted you to

33:49

believe, but I actually just did this

33:51

thing. And that's overwhelming. And if, you

33:54

know, not if, let me own it.

33:56

So, me coming back and having aspects

33:58

of PTSD, PTSD, right? One of the

34:01

biggest was that I didn't trust anything.

34:03

You know, every freaking thing in my

34:05

world was an illusion. I had been

34:08

behind the curtain, brother, I was like,

34:10

I was the Wizard of Oz, me

34:12

and my crew, you know, so I'm...

34:14

I'm pulling the strings and making people

34:17

think the wizard, the wizard, oh, he's

34:19

got these magic powers and stuff like

34:21

that. And then, and then you see

34:24

behind the curtain, if you are awakened

34:26

in cerebral, some people can disassociate from

34:28

that. But I had, once I, once

34:31

I started having this deeper understanding, it

34:33

started really getting to me. I was

34:35

just like, man, I'm in Oz. I'm

34:38

a part of Oz. I'm helping perpetuate

34:40

Oz. Like, it's like. It's crazy. It's

34:42

like, that's, it's profound, you know. There's

34:45

a, I expect there's like a certain

34:47

level of guilt there as well that

34:49

comes along with that. And that's, it's

34:51

a whole lot. Part of the post-traumatic

34:54

stuff. Yeah. And that's why I started,

34:56

you know, I went out and I

34:58

started doing talks and I've been working

35:01

on this book called Pronokio's Liberation, you

35:03

know, you know, through. understanding and knowledge

35:05

about what is happening in the world

35:08

and how you can, those strings are

35:10

all on all of us, you know.

35:12

But it's recognizing that this string is

35:15

pulling me this way and saying, oh,

35:17

nope, I don't want to go that

35:19

way, I don't want to go that

35:22

way. That's a whole, that's this attention,

35:24

this attentiveness to my feelings and my

35:26

emotions, stuff that you would get through

35:28

deep meditation and deep self-reflection to pull

35:31

away from that and say, okay, well,

35:33

maybe I'm being led down this path

35:35

and I want to be an active

35:38

participant in understanding whether or not I

35:40

want to go down that way. I'm

35:42

going to go another way versus just

35:45

going down that way like a zombie

35:47

and not realizing it. Yeah, so to

35:49

a certain extent you are kind of

35:52

immune and not immune in the sense

35:54

like it'll never happen, but being aware

35:56

of it definitely helps if you are

35:58

also aware that you can be affected.

36:01

Yes. Because it doesn't help if you're

36:03

if you think you're immune. Yes. Right?

36:05

You can be aware of it, but

36:08

if you think you're immune to it.

36:10

then being aware of it doesn't help

36:12

you. Yes. But if you're aware of

36:15

it and know that you're susceptible to

36:17

it, then you can put yourself into

36:19

that mind state of someone who would

36:22

be susceptible and kind of like help

36:24

you navigate out of it. That's really

36:26

interesting. And I think that, because I'm

36:29

hearing you talk man and I'm like,

36:31

this is exactly like talking to a

36:33

magician. Like we're saying the same things.

36:35

And you know, the difference is that

36:38

magicians, well, for the most part. I

36:40

won't say all of them, but we

36:42

do walk an ethical line when it

36:45

comes to that stuff because I know

36:47

for a fact that I can convince

36:49

people that I have psychic ability. I

36:52

can do that. I've done it in

36:54

the past when learning magic. And you

36:56

get this high off of like controlling,

36:59

controlling people's perception about you, about life,

37:01

about their own reality. It becomes like,

37:03

you're like, whoa, and that's a dangerous

37:06

thing. a lot of responsibility there. And

37:08

you know, it took me a few

37:10

years to really understand that and that

37:12

that is a very slippery slope and

37:15

in the wrong hands can be weaponized.

37:17

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was one

37:19

of the things when we went through

37:22

Cyop School that I took very personal

37:24

is it was like don't use this

37:26

on American civilians. So actually the way

37:29

the description of Cyop is to influence...

37:31

the hearts and minds of foreign target

37:33

audiences. So it's not something that you're

37:36

supposed to use domestically. Illegal to use

37:38

again. Yeah. Even though we... get around

37:40

it all the time. I think it

37:42

was like Smith and Burtz or something

37:45

like that. There's an actual article that

37:47

tells us that we can't use it

37:49

here in the states. And so we

37:52

get around that by saying information operations

37:54

or marketing. Military. Yeah, that'll blow your

37:56

mind too. where, you know, I may

37:59

have told you this, but, you know,

38:01

people were not supposed to use Cyop

38:03

on the American public, but then people

38:06

get out and then they go into

38:08

marketing organizations and what are they doing?

38:10

They're not going to just say, well,

38:13

I'm just going to throw away all

38:15

this training. They're going to use that

38:17

training to help, you know, this politician

38:19

or media. And so they are using

38:22

it. Yeah. They're just renaming it, rebranding

38:24

it. Yeah, they're saying I'm not using

38:26

Cyop. Yeah, yes you are. You know,

38:29

it's, it's, and it's all, you know,

38:31

Bernese and all of these guys help

38:33

develop. And Bernase is directly related to

38:36

Stephen Freud. Yes. And what's funny is

38:38

that the, one of the founders of

38:40

Netflix is actually related to Bernas. Oh,

38:43

wow. So, you know, you go from.

38:45

the father of modern psychology to the

38:47

father of propaganda to the CEO of

38:50

Netflix. Wow, that's pretty impact. Yeah, yeah.

38:52

And that's it, right? So these guys

38:54

help develop and create how we think.

38:56

And then they created these programs to

38:59

help us manipulate and influence people and

39:01

how they think. And so, you know,

39:03

that's. the foundation of a lot is.

39:06

So let's talk about this hook. This

39:08

is something that I find so, so

39:10

interesting because this is the most important

39:13

part. for me because if you can

39:15

find someone's hook that's their Achilles heel

39:17

and online it's pretty easy to find

39:20

someone's hook because you can just like

39:22

trigger them with different comments yeah and

39:24

as soon as they start responding you're

39:26

like oh a little sensitive area here

39:29

it seems like right yeah and that's

39:31

where you attack that sensitive area until

39:33

they break that's kind of like what

39:36

we've been seeing online with bots and

39:38

stuff and that's how that works yeah

39:40

can you explain what exactly a hook

39:43

is a hook is One of the

39:45

ways that we look at Cyop is

39:47

we're always looking at how do we

39:50

influence a person based on their values

39:52

or belief system or you know their

39:54

emotions things that I need to. And

39:57

those things can be considered hooks. They

39:59

are things that a person is doing

40:01

subconsciously and reacting to in their life

40:03

based on their belief system and the

40:06

structure of how they walk in the

40:08

world that it's very difficult for them

40:10

to break free. So for instance, we'd

40:13

say like, you know, food could be

40:15

a hook, right? And we see people

40:17

addicted to different types of food and

40:20

they're like, man, I know I need

40:22

to stop this, but I can't, right?

40:24

And then, you know, you will see

40:27

like this commercial for these golden McDonald

40:29

fries and the salt and stuff and

40:31

it makes people salivate and then they're

40:34

like, oh, I need those fries, you

40:36

know, even though they know, they shouldn't

40:38

be doing that. Well, what is, what

40:40

do we know of a hook? Normally

40:43

we think of hooks as things that

40:45

go into fishing lines and go in

40:47

the water and fish bite them shits

40:50

all the time, right? And you think

40:52

the fish, you know, the council of

40:54

fish don't get together and say we

40:57

shouldn't do that, but they're still doing

40:59

it, you know, like, and that's because.

41:01

you know we and then you go

41:04

to fishing shops and they have different

41:06

lures and the lures look different ways

41:08

and they say oh this one gets

41:10

a lot of bites with the best

41:13

and this one gets a lot of

41:15

bites with these type and so there

41:17

we're on on that scale we're doing

41:20

the same they're doing the same thing

41:22

as what you know governments are doing

41:24

to the people or other organizations are

41:27

doing to the people where that hook

41:29

and what's on it it's something that

41:31

it's really tough for you to resist

41:34

you know and I tell people if

41:36

you you know some of us have

41:38

bad habits like picking our fingers like

41:41

for me as picking my fingers sometimes

41:43

and I know I don't I've I've

41:45

said plenty of times I want to

41:47

stop doing that. Right? And then I'll

41:50

see, I'll get really, especially when I'm

41:52

deep in thought, I'll start picking at

41:54

my fingers. Hmm, yeah. And then I'm

41:57

like, ah, don't do that, don't do

41:59

that, because that's bad for your fingers.

42:01

And then I'll be like, okay, so

42:04

what was I thinking about? Hmm, yeah.

42:06

Right back to it. Right back to

42:08

it. And so the hook would be

42:11

that thing. So for me, if I

42:13

was doing a talk on stage and

42:15

I wanted to target you directly to

42:18

single you out, I might use an

42:20

arbitrary example and be like, you know,

42:22

there's a lot of people low on

42:24

the IQ level that like pick their

42:27

fingers, you know these type of people,

42:29

and I would just go on and

42:31

you'd be like. Oh, that's me. All

42:34

of a sudden. Yeah, you feel targeted,

42:36

insecure, you know, and look for that

42:38

reaction. That's right. And you would start

42:41

questioning yourself. Yeah. Am I low IQ?

42:43

How is that correlated? How do I?

42:45

And it would bother you, right? So

42:48

like that's that's the idea of like,

42:50

you can find really specific hooks for

42:52

specific people. Yeah. And that's what's what's

42:54

so like, like, so insidious or, you

42:57

know, very. hit very powerful about Cyop

42:59

because what happens is once you find

43:01

that hook it makes things so much

43:04

easier because all you do is package

43:06

everything every message you want to get

43:08

within the confines of that hook and

43:11

and then people just eat it up

43:13

because they can't a lot of us

43:15

don't aren't consciously aware enough to know

43:18

like hey I mean did we just

43:20

accept it? And so I used to

43:22

hear debates all the time. Now a

43:25

lot of people don't trust the media,

43:27

but I used to hear debates all

43:29

the time. Well, I listen to Fox

43:31

and you listen to CNN and I

43:34

do this and I do that and

43:36

CNN always lies to you guys and

43:38

Fox is always lying to you guys

43:41

and they're telling us the truth and

43:43

then you had that like Sinclair video

43:45

come out and then you see like.

43:48

It's all like scripted and it's all

43:50

side by side and it didn't matter

43:52

if it was Fox or CNN. They're

43:55

saying the same thing because these guys

43:57

are owned by the same and people

43:59

are sorry, whoa, wait a minute, what's

44:02

going on there? We're extremely proud of

44:04

the quality balanced journalism that CBS 4

44:06

news produces. But we are concerned about

44:08

the trouble in trying to get responsible

44:11

one side of the news stories plaguing

44:13

our country. More alarming, some media outlets

44:15

publish the same fake fake stories without

44:18

checking facts first. of biased and false

44:20

news has become all too common on

44:22

social media. More alarming, some of the

44:25

outlets, poverty, things are true without checking

44:27

facts first. Unfortunately, some members of the

44:29

media use their platforms to push their

44:32

own personal bias and agenda control are

44:34

exactly what people think. And this is

44:36

extremely dangerous for our democracy. And I

44:38

still think people didn't really get. All

44:41

right. That's it. That's probably AI. That

44:43

can't be real. Yeah. And they were

44:45

just, they were completely fooled. Yeah, because

44:48

they got to be, they got to

44:50

be, or else it's, it calls in

44:52

the question so many choices. It's almost

44:55

like when you go to a court

44:57

and if they found out like. a

44:59

judge or a lawyer or some firm

45:02

or whatever was, you know, a bunch

45:04

of crackheads or drug addicts, right? Then

45:06

it calls into question, or they were

45:09

dirty, dirty cops. It calls into question

45:11

everything that they've done before that, and

45:13

now we got to go back and

45:15

review all of that. And that's devastating.

45:18

So companies don't want to look at

45:20

it. You know, they're like... like, oh,

45:22

you know, let's just say Chris had

45:25

a problem and kick him out of

45:27

it. Well, if we admit that Chris

45:29

had a problem with drugs or alcohol

45:32

and while he was doing these cases,

45:34

then we have to open up all

45:36

those cases again, and that's going to

45:39

hurt our stats, and then we're going

45:41

to have to, you know, and that's

45:43

going to be too costly. So let's

45:46

not say he had a drug problem.

45:48

Let's say he had, like, you know,

45:50

an affair with somebody, you know, because

45:52

then that doesn't call in the question

45:55

these things. There's all this manipulation happening,

45:57

but going back to the point, which

45:59

is that when people recognize that, like

46:02

you said, they didn't have to call

46:04

in the question of the choices that

46:06

they made and the things that they've

46:09

done based on the information that they

46:11

got from that news source. And so

46:13

it's much easier to just say, it's

46:16

AI. Yeah. And it's much easier for

46:18

those news sources to say, we didn't

46:20

say that, that was AI. Yeah. and

46:22

then and now because we're now you

46:25

got all these brains out there searching

46:27

for a way to make this right

46:29

you know reconciling in their brain that

46:32

they're like okay yeah we knew that

46:34

we're on your side you know like

46:36

we you know and and then they

46:39

can use that in their arguments to

46:41

when somebody says oh you still listen

46:43

to them didn't remember that story that

46:46

came out where you showed all these

46:48

things oh no that was AI that

46:50

was AI my they were trying to

46:53

disprove my trusted source you know and

46:55

all That is the best way to

46:57

really have SIEOT be effective. Or do

46:59

a quick Google search. Yes. And the

47:02

number one search result is it was

47:04

AI. True or not, right? Yeah. And

47:06

you're going to be like, I did

47:09

my search. That's my search. Exactly. Yeah,

47:11

I think we talked about this before,

47:13

where one of the main, main. persuasive

47:16

tactics is not to force something on

47:18

somebody for them to believe it, right?

47:20

If you're a tyrant, eventually people are

47:23

going to rebel and overcome. The way

47:25

you do this best, the way you

47:27

do SIEOT best is you set the

47:30

conditions for people to make the choices

47:32

and what you want them to make,

47:34

but make... those conditions make them make

47:36

that choice so that they feel like

47:39

they made the choice based on their

47:41

own free will, not because they was

47:43

forced into that choice. Does that make

47:46

sense? And we saw that with some

47:48

things that happened over the last few

47:50

years where people went from I'm totally

47:53

against that to like making the choice

47:55

and then people fighting with each other

47:57

because they made the choice and you

48:00

should make the choice and so on

48:02

and so forth and then you have

48:04

all this information going out there that

48:06

supports one side or the other and

48:09

then people are supporting using that as

48:11

a means to... firm up and sure

48:13

up their stance. So you set the

48:16

conditions for people to make the choices

48:18

that you want them to make, but

48:20

feel like they made them based on

48:23

their own research and knowledge. They will

48:25

then defend that choice because it's their

48:27

choice. But if you force it on

48:30

them, then they'll always push that choice

48:32

at some point. that choice can come

48:34

into question and they could push it

48:37

off and say well Chris did tell

48:39

me that and I don't know if

48:41

I trust them anymore but if I'm

48:43

like no I went out there I

48:46

did the homework I found it on

48:48

this site I found it on this

48:50

site I did this that other then

48:53

it's a lot harder to convince you

48:55

otherwise because you feel like you found

48:57

it based on your own personal research

49:00

so this is a lot like in

49:02

magic we talk about contrast So the

49:04

greater the contrast without breaking your objective

49:07

view of reality, the greater the reaction.

49:09

So the greater the contrast between your

49:11

view of reality and this impossible event.

49:14

So the greater that is, without breaking

49:16

it, without becoming fantasy. So staying within

49:18

your confines of your objective view of

49:20

reality and how reality works. If I

49:23

can bend that and create a big

49:25

enough contrast without breaking it, bigger reaction.

49:27

It helps to create a big contrast

49:30

when they are... determining what is real.

49:32

They are determining the extremes of their

49:34

own reality. Right? So they're the ones

49:37

making the framework for the trick. They're

49:39

the ones determining, no, that's impossible, or

49:41

only this is possible. But you led

49:44

them. to those points because you want

49:46

them to be at those extremes so

49:48

that this trick plays a lot bigger

49:50

because if that contrast is smaller and

49:53

they don't do their own research it's

49:55

hearsay from someone else or you know

49:57

then the effect isn't as great yeah

50:00

so the bigger the contrast and the

50:02

more free will that is involved well

50:04

then the greater the contrast the greater

50:07

the effect right yeah so the more

50:09

that they can be involved in the

50:11

process of creating the framework yeah for

50:14

how they think the greater the effect

50:16

of the cyap is going to be.

50:18

Exactly. And the links, the greater the

50:21

links at which it will continue to

50:23

persist in their lives. Right. Right. In

50:25

their memory. Yeah. And it'll go longer

50:27

and longer and longer. But like you

50:30

said, the shorter that effect, the it'll

50:32

feel like really intense for a little

50:34

while, but it'll start to die down

50:37

and fade down. but the greater that

50:39

contrast it will stick around for a

50:41

long time and they'll start they'll keep

50:44

telling the stories we talked about a

50:46

person who's telling stories over and over

50:48

and over again you know every time

50:51

they see you they keep telling the

50:53

same story and it's like months that's

50:55

going by and they're still telling that

50:58

story it's getting crazier yeah and it's

51:00

getting more you know grand and you

51:02

know and it's like yeah you know

51:04

that that effect will continue to persist

51:07

in their mind and they're doing the

51:09

work for you. Now a matter of

51:11

fact they they're not only doing the

51:14

work for you they're making the work

51:16

more substantial because they keep adding stuff

51:18

on to it you know putting stuff

51:21

in there and that that would be

51:23

the greatest sigh up. Then there's groups

51:25

that reinforce that idea because they also

51:28

feel that way so they will then

51:30

support you and encourage you to keep

51:32

believing that which you know the bandwagon

51:34

effect you know where people want to

51:37

jump on the bandwagon and then we're

51:39

all on this bandwagon together you know

51:41

don't jump off questioning the bandwagon gets

51:44

you get you get you get you

51:46

yeah or worse yeah and so that's

51:48

That's it, you know. I was always

51:51

amazed in Cyop to realize that it

51:53

is the foundation of everything. It's probably

51:55

one of the most powerful tools we

51:58

have. We think guns and bombs and

52:00

all this crap is like super powerful.

52:02

No, those things have no power without

52:05

the, until we get more robots and

52:07

AI. But anyway, those things have no

52:09

power without the people behind them. And

52:11

so. We are physical representations of how

52:14

we feel and what we are on

52:16

the inside, right? And that's one of

52:18

the things that I learned from Ninjitsu

52:21

is that our physical reality tends to

52:23

be a manifestation of... who and what

52:25

we're feeling on the inside. So you

52:28

want to know how a person thinks

52:30

and you want to know how a

52:32

person operates, just look at how they're

52:35

operating in the world and then track

52:37

that backwards. And you'll start to see

52:39

who they are deep inside. And that's

52:42

above so below. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And

52:44

that's really what we have to recognize.

52:46

So then that if we know that,

52:48

then we know bullets don't fly and

52:51

bombs don't go off unless the people

52:53

behind them are actually giving those orders.

52:55

reasons why they might give those orders

52:58

and those reasons are based on how

53:00

they perceive the world. And so if

53:02

you're manipulating and influencing how people perceive

53:05

the world, you have the ability to

53:07

start conflict or end conflict or get

53:09

conflict to be, you know, like a

53:12

balance and neutralize, you know, so this

53:14

is really the overall idea when you're

53:16

looking at deciopability. And so... We realized

53:18

when we were fighting in, you know,

53:21

Germany at that time, yeah, Hitler, I

53:23

should say, when we were going against

53:25

him, like the power of true propaganda.

53:28

Like, like... that dude was like amazing

53:30

you know in his general and the

53:32

people that he had around him that

53:35

were working for him he had one

53:37

specific guy I can't remember his name

53:39

but this guy was the the head

53:42

of his propaganda or say it one

53:44

more time that sounds like it yeah

53:46

and this dude was in charge of

53:49

all of his propaganda and stuff like

53:51

that and he was a genius as

53:53

before the internet yeah right so you

53:55

were in this incredible echo chamber. But

53:58

yeah, they were really the first ones

54:00

to capitalize on that type of propaganda

54:02

and create this patriotic. Yeah. You know,

54:05

because that's often what people think of

54:07

like, how evil are these, are these

54:09

Nazis? It's like the individuals who were

54:12

Nazis, like most of them were just

54:14

like everyone else. Yeah. They over time.

54:16

really, you know, a lot of them

54:19

were forced to. There's a whole, you

54:21

know, gamut of reasons, you know, why

54:23

did that happen, but one of the

54:26

major reasons was the psychological warfare against

54:28

their own people. Yes. And it convinced

54:30

them that they were the good guys.

54:32

Yes. You know, and that everybody else

54:35

was bad. And so they attacked it

54:37

from a very justifiable position. They're like,

54:39

no, I'm doing the right thing. Which

54:42

was indeed the very the worst thing.

54:44

Yeah, but the the Cyop was so

54:46

great that it convinced them that they

54:49

were doing the right thing Yeah, and

54:51

that is I mean that's that's scary

54:53

It's very scary. And so there are

54:56

two things that I want to say

54:58

on that topic. One was one of

55:00

this really cool video game that I

55:02

ended up finding a long time ago,

55:05

was introduced to me by a friend

55:07

of mine who was also a training

55:09

in Ninjitsu. And he was like, oh,

55:12

let me tell you the backstory of

55:14

this game. And so it was like

55:16

a Ninja game, right? And there was

55:19

this clan, and it had the eldest

55:21

brother, middle brother, and a sister. And

55:23

they were like these really... Badass Ninja,

55:26

right? And the eldest brother was the

55:28

best and he went out on this

55:30

mission He ended up falling off this

55:33

roof He hit his head and and

55:35

this other Ninja Clan rival Ninja Clan

55:37

found him and instead of killing him

55:39

once they realized they were going to

55:42

interrogate him, but they realized he lost

55:44

his memory. So they were like, oh,

55:46

we didn't know who you were, you're

55:49

actually one of us, and they indoctrinated

55:51

him in their clan, right? Reprogrammed him,

55:53

right? And so then he started fighting

55:56

for them. And eventually he comes across

55:58

his brother and sister and they're like,

56:00

we thought you were dead. And he

56:03

was like, you're the enemy. What are

56:05

you talking about? And so his whole

56:07

scope of reality shifted. And so what

56:10

who was originally bad and his enemy

56:12

became his friend or his family and

56:14

then his family actually became his enemy.

56:16

And so it's like, it was this

56:19

big twist. And I was like, that's

56:21

really interesting. Like, depending on what perspective

56:23

we're looking at and what information we're

56:26

fed. we can be really easily manipulated

56:28

into thinking that people are subhuman or

56:30

not human or so on and I

56:33

mean we see that in our country

56:35

if we look at our timeline whoever

56:37

we were at war with at whatever

56:40

time that that group gets a hard

56:42

rap, you know, all across the board.

56:44

You know, it didn't matter if there's,

56:46

if we know some good folks, oh,

56:49

and, you know, well, they're different from

56:51

that, you know, everybody else, you know.

56:53

And we start bringing up these really

56:56

questionable things. The other thing is that

56:58

in our Ninja training, we actually have

57:00

an eight-step accomplishment plan, we call it.

57:03

And the first one is truth is

57:05

relative. Try to see things from others'

57:07

perspective without losing your own. Try to

57:10

see things as they really are, but

57:12

stay tuned in. And so what it

57:14

says, what it gets us as Ninja

57:17

to recognize is that. Yeah, we might

57:19

have our version of what we deem

57:21

the truth, but it's relative to my

57:23

scope and what I do. The problem

57:26

comes when I'm trying to force my

57:28

truth on you, and that's what creates

57:30

conflict, right? And so it's saying, be

57:33

very mindful of that, be mindful of

57:35

this idea that truth is relative based

57:37

on my perception and the people I'm

57:40

around this is the truth I but

57:42

it doesn't keep me from trying to

57:44

see things from your perspective right without

57:47

losing my own great advice does that

57:49

make sense so it doesn't it doesn't

57:51

mean I have to give up my

57:53

truth to understand your truth it just

57:56

means that I can hold on to

57:58

mine and I'm still open to sharing

58:00

and seeing things from your perspective without

58:03

losing my own And then I'm also

58:05

going to try to stay tuned in

58:07

because our truths are not the only

58:10

truths, or maybe there's a part of

58:12

what you know that changes what I

58:14

understand about the world. And you wouldn't

58:17

know otherwise. And I wouldn't know otherwise.

58:19

And that's what I tell people today.

58:21

They say, well, how do we beat

58:24

Sia? Because we got to, I say,

58:26

dude. Go out and find somebody who

58:28

you believe has a different opinion in

58:30

you and have that conversation and see

58:33

what they think because now Cyopus works

58:35

well because we are a third party.

58:37

We're using media and radio and television

58:40

and this and that. And if you're

58:42

looking at that. you don't know if

58:44

it's true or not. We're watching this

58:47

person on the news and they're telling

58:49

us this thing and we're thinking we

58:51

connect with that person so we think

58:54

he's telling us the truth or she's

58:56

telling us the truth and instead really

58:58

what I need to be doing is

59:01

having a conversation with you directly and

59:03

instead of relying on this person to

59:05

tell me how to think you know

59:07

and we have a hard time doing

59:10

that. So cut out the middle man

59:12

and go and have a conversation. Now

59:14

that's still a different battle because then...

59:17

your belief system based off your news

59:19

or whatever you're wherever you're getting your

59:21

information is influencing you and wherever I'm

59:24

getting my information is still influencing it

59:26

but we have a greater chance of

59:28

overcoming that when we can debate in

59:31

person than if we're debating through a

59:33

television screen yeah you know seems like

59:35

removing the ego is key to all

59:37

this because I think that's the one

59:40

thing that prevents us from doing that

59:42

because on paper you're saying makes complete

59:44

sense. In the real world, ego gets

59:47

in the way. And we'd rather stick

59:49

to our guns than to, you know,

59:51

drop her hands down for two seconds

59:54

and just listen and try to really

59:56

picture a different scenario because by doing

59:58

that you play a passive action, you

1:00:01

take a passive position. Yeah. And most

1:00:03

people aren't comfortable taking a passive position,

1:00:05

especially when it comes to things that

1:00:08

they really care about. Yeah. And so

1:00:10

that's, you know, a lot of that

1:00:12

is just removing the ego and like,

1:00:14

what do you have to say? And

1:00:17

really, you know, it's, like you said,

1:00:19

you'd probably be surprised how much the

1:00:21

other person's perspective can actually strengthen your

1:00:24

own if you listen, right? Or help

1:00:26

you with your own, you know, definitely.

1:00:28

Yeah, I totally agree with that and

1:00:31

I think that's really important. I had

1:00:33

this conversation with somebody before and you

1:00:35

know I'm just being bare and raw,

1:00:38

but I had a friend and or

1:00:40

I have a friend and I remember

1:00:42

I'd never been to his house and

1:00:45

I go over his house and you

1:00:47

know I'm a kid from New Jersey

1:00:49

and so on and so forth don't

1:00:51

know much about the didn't know much

1:00:54

about the South until I moved to

1:00:56

the South and still I was still

1:00:58

sheltered because I was in the military

1:01:01

and that's a different environment different culture

1:01:03

and I end up going to this

1:01:05

friend's house and he had a Confederate

1:01:08

flag hanging on his wall right and

1:01:10

I was like whoa you know I

1:01:12

thought I thought this guy like I

1:01:15

know he was like that yeah and

1:01:17

I was like wait a minute like

1:01:19

what like everything I've known this guy

1:01:21

for years and everything he's ever done

1:01:24

in my life has been super positive

1:01:26

and we've been able to connect and

1:01:28

so on and so forth so I

1:01:31

went into his we were in his

1:01:33

garage I went into his little room

1:01:35

and he was there and I was

1:01:38

like hey like I saw the Confederate

1:01:40

flag out there is that what are

1:01:42

you what are you doing with that

1:01:45

you know the way I from what

1:01:47

I know it's it says hey that

1:01:49

you are you believe in the support

1:01:52

of a group that says that, you

1:01:54

know, my culture or at least the

1:01:56

black culture could be, you know, suppressed

1:01:58

and like held down and all this

1:02:01

other stuff. And he was like, oh,

1:02:03

oh, no, no, that's not, that's not,

1:02:05

where I, when I came up, this

1:02:08

was like a symbol of pride for

1:02:10

the South and this and other, that's

1:02:12

not what was taught to me. And

1:02:15

we had this long debate, right. And

1:02:17

at the end. There were some things

1:02:19

that we agreed on and there were

1:02:22

some things we didn't agree on, but

1:02:24

the one thing we could agree on

1:02:26

was that we loved and supported each

1:02:29

other. Yeah. And that was not, and

1:02:31

he even was like, do you want

1:02:33

me to take that down if it

1:02:35

makes you feel bad? And I was

1:02:38

like, after this conversation, actually no, man,

1:02:40

this is your house and so on

1:02:42

and so forth, but I feel much

1:02:45

better knowing that that wasn't the perspective

1:02:47

you were coming from. But if I

1:02:49

had just said, oh no, you know,

1:02:52

F that guy, you know, he's this

1:02:54

and other, he's racist, blah, blah, blah,

1:02:56

then we would not have been able

1:02:59

to get through. And we're still friends

1:03:01

to this day. And again, when I

1:03:03

say support, I mean, this dude has

1:03:05

supported me on so many different things

1:03:08

in so many different ways. So his

1:03:10

actual actions and the way he really

1:03:12

operates in life is not like that

1:03:15

at all. But he came from a

1:03:17

different perspective and a different background. And

1:03:19

so we all have our shit, and

1:03:22

we have to recognize that. We all

1:03:24

have our shit, we're all dealing with

1:03:26

stuff, we all have these beliefs that

1:03:29

we haven't really deeply examined, that comes

1:03:31

from where we come from, or what

1:03:33

we, and sometimes those things, we just

1:03:36

do things and don't really deeply examine

1:03:38

them, and then somebody calls us out,

1:03:40

and that's where the real work begins.

1:03:42

We have these conversations, and we say,

1:03:45

okay, well, let me. Let me have

1:03:47

this deep conversation with you about this

1:03:49

thing and then we can get through

1:03:52

it again if I let the flag

1:03:54

dictate who my friend is Because this

1:03:56

guy I've known for years who supported

1:03:59

me on all these different ways, then,

1:04:01

and now I'm using that as a

1:04:03

means to say all that doesn't exist

1:04:06

anymore and at all, this bullshit, the

1:04:08

only thing that matters is this, and

1:04:10

not have a conversation, then I thwart

1:04:13

any growth that could ever happen. versus

1:04:15

us having a growing moment together, he

1:04:17

and I, and him recognizing that that

1:04:19

made me feel a certain way in

1:04:22

apologizing and me recognizing that that wasn't

1:04:24

where he was coming from and apologizing,

1:04:26

and I still not agreeing 100% I'm

1:04:29

not saying that, but agreeing enough to

1:04:31

where we were able to stay friends.

1:04:33

Yeah, it isn't binary these things. You

1:04:36

know, the human spectrum of all the

1:04:38

stuff that we're talking about, there are...

1:04:40

an infinite number of variables that impose

1:04:43

themselves. And I guess being somebody, whether

1:04:45

you're a magician, whether you're a Cyop

1:04:47

expert, you're looking to figure out as

1:04:49

many of those variables as you can,

1:04:52

but there's still variables you didn't plan

1:04:54

for. There's still things that will take

1:04:56

you off guard and be like, well,

1:04:59

I didn't plan for this and prepare

1:05:01

for this and understanding those will actually

1:05:03

help you on the future with the

1:05:06

future things. Okay. I mean, endlessly fascinated.

1:05:08

I could, I want to, I could

1:05:10

talk about Cyop for the rest of

1:05:13

this podcast because it relates so closely

1:05:15

to what, to what I do. We

1:05:17

definitely have to do a part too.

1:05:20

And, but I do also want to

1:05:22

get on to, you know, some other

1:05:24

interesting things because you lead such an

1:05:26

interesting life. The next thing I want

1:05:29

to talk about is your relationship to

1:05:31

remote viewing. Now, as some of you

1:05:33

know, if you guys aren't aware, I

1:05:36

spent a year researching remote viewing, practicing

1:05:38

and meeting, you know, some of the

1:05:40

people who are the figureheads of remote

1:05:43

viewing, you know, Edwin May and Montgomery

1:05:45

and Ed Dames and even Yuri Geller,

1:05:47

and I, you know, I spoke to

1:05:50

all these people who really taught me

1:05:52

quite. quite a bit and Brett Stewart

1:05:54

and it was just so fascinating and

1:05:57

I went into it a skeptic knowing

1:05:59

magic knowing techniques and confirmation bias and

1:06:01

cold reading and this stuff but after

1:06:03

seeing the results myself I came to

1:06:06

the conclusion after looking at the data

1:06:08

because there's a lot of data that

1:06:10

there was something there there definitely something

1:06:13

there how did you knowing what you

1:06:15

know, because almost having a magician like

1:06:17

mine, how did you get into remote

1:06:20

viewing? And what happened to me, made

1:06:22

you believe in this? So I was

1:06:24

already kind of down the remote viewing

1:06:27

rabbit hole to a degree with my

1:06:29

ninjitsu. So the ninja had these nine

1:06:31

abilities, this cougee, you know, these syllables,

1:06:33

these nine syllables or nine powers that

1:06:36

they, they... they worked in. And this

1:06:38

came from, originally, it was tradition that

1:06:40

came out of India and then into

1:06:43

China, into bed, and then to Japan,

1:06:45

and then they kind of wove their

1:06:47

views and different things and had these

1:06:50

different practices. And the Ninja were these

1:06:52

villagers that used that as a means

1:06:54

to help them survive and thrive in

1:06:57

this society that really wanted to destroy

1:06:59

them. And so one of the abilities

1:07:01

is remote viewing. So I remember having

1:07:04

conversations with my teacher, this guy Stephen

1:07:06

K. Hayes, and he was saying, hey,

1:07:08

there was this time when the army

1:07:10

and the military got really into like,

1:07:13

this thing called remote viewing, we know

1:07:15

it as something different of just like,

1:07:17

cougee six or seven, you know, and

1:07:20

we worked it from a different angle

1:07:22

and they wanted to kind of see

1:07:24

what. I knew about it and they

1:07:27

had me fill out all his paperwork

1:07:29

and it was actually through the Air

1:07:31

Force with Del Graf and when Del

1:07:34

Graf was working his his kind of

1:07:36

he was interested in it before he

1:07:38

actually took over the for the army

1:07:41

and so he did some stuff and

1:07:43

he was talking about that so I

1:07:45

was still very physical at the time

1:07:47

and so the spiritual stuff was exciting

1:07:50

but not as exciting as the physical

1:07:52

stuff you know and so we he

1:07:54

talked about it we did some meditations

1:07:57

and stuff but then that was it.

1:07:59

Well later on in my life I

1:08:01

came to this point where I'm teaching

1:08:04

at my different martial art schools that

1:08:06

I own and I would see children

1:08:08

now are all into these animation characters

1:08:11

and they would run around and they

1:08:13

would do these mudras and they would

1:08:15

act like they were like summoning dragons

1:08:17

and stuff and I'd be like man

1:08:20

this is cool this is like they

1:08:22

it was these ninja cartoons and other

1:08:24

cartoons like it that was using this

1:08:27

lore. There it's a dragon ball. Yeah

1:08:29

that comes from this actual stuff you

1:08:31

know and I would try to have

1:08:34

these conversations like hey kids you know

1:08:36

you really we got things like that

1:08:38

in our art you know and they'd

1:08:41

be like really yeah show me you

1:08:43

know and and I was like huh

1:08:45

hmm well if I wanted to show

1:08:48

them you know how did I learn

1:08:50

and I was like well I spent

1:08:52

25 years with my teacher and doing

1:08:54

stuff and diving into this on my

1:08:57

own and leaving New Jersey to move

1:08:59

to Ohio to training my teacher in

1:09:01

the woods and everything else and I'm

1:09:04

like okay kid trained for 25 years

1:09:06

what's me and I'll get you there

1:09:08

you know and they're like oh You

1:09:11

know, I'm going to go back to,

1:09:13

you know, doing my pretending. And I

1:09:15

was like, well, if I do, the

1:09:18

youth are the next generation, if I

1:09:20

really want to get them to understand

1:09:22

and not lose this knowledge that I've

1:09:25

worked so hard to gain and others

1:09:27

have too, we need to make it

1:09:29

fun and exciting and something easy where

1:09:31

they can have an experience right now

1:09:34

with that truth and then be able

1:09:36

to thrive and grow and thrive in

1:09:38

that experience. And so I said, well,

1:09:41

who's out there doing stuff like that?

1:09:43

And then the remote viewing came back.

1:09:45

And I was like, oh, okay, well,

1:09:48

maybe I should get involved in that

1:09:50

and really see what protocols are out

1:09:52

there and started looking into that. and

1:09:55

found my first teacher, Paul Smith, who

1:09:57

is an amazing gentleman, and he knows

1:09:59

so much about this field. And then

1:10:01

that led me to another mentor, Tom

1:10:04

McNair, and then that led me to

1:10:06

another mentor, Bill Ray, and then I

1:10:08

trained under Joe McMonekle, and took his

1:10:11

classes, and I've been taking some of

1:10:13

Lemb You Canons classes, and so... I

1:10:15

just started gaining this knowledge and the

1:10:18

goal was how do we get youth

1:10:20

to have these experiences in a controlled

1:10:22

manner that allow them to explore this

1:10:25

and then hopefully grow up with this,

1:10:27

you know, because a lot of the

1:10:29

people I taught to find it much

1:10:32

later in life, you know. And, and,

1:10:34

but if we can get little ones

1:10:36

to really enjoy and growing that power,

1:10:38

then that would be ideal. And that

1:10:41

also led me to mine site too.

1:10:43

That same quest. So, so, yeah. Is

1:10:45

that like the hot pink or red

1:10:48

or something? Yes, it is the hot

1:10:50

pink. Is that green? Yes, it is.

1:10:52

Okay. Orange. Yes, it is. That's three

1:10:55

in a row that you have gotten

1:10:57

right. Is that, is that something you

1:10:59

find, because obviously with the talk of

1:11:02

cyanics and this recruitment, you know, they're

1:11:04

saying they're recruiting these children from all

1:11:06

around the world who have been in

1:11:09

traumatic events and have you also seen

1:11:11

like a correlation between the strength of

1:11:13

the sigh and like the age of

1:11:15

the student? I would say yes. I

1:11:18

think that the kids that I... There's

1:11:20

a weird dynamic happening because there's still

1:11:22

so many adults who don't believe, right?

1:11:25

And youth are mirror, they're mirror neurons,

1:11:27

which helped them succeed and adapt to

1:11:29

life. They're watching the people in their

1:11:32

environment and they're gaining a lot of

1:11:34

their perspective based off those people. And

1:11:36

so chances are, if mom and dad

1:11:39

really don't believe in this, that kid

1:11:41

is... have some struggles, really understanding, even

1:11:43

if they have an event, if they

1:11:45

have that first timer effect where they

1:11:48

just like knock it out of the

1:11:50

park, after that it may diminish because

1:11:52

their environment doesn't support it or doesn't

1:11:55

really talk about it or do it

1:11:57

or whatever. And so I have seen

1:11:59

that youth are willing to try a

1:12:02

lot easier and dive in and have

1:12:04

success, but I also see diminished in

1:12:06

some youth based on the fact that

1:12:09

their family doesn't, you know, follow that

1:12:11

script. And here's a perfect example of

1:12:13

that, is that I had these kids

1:12:16

that I was working with. I call

1:12:18

it gut training so I don't cross

1:12:20

any lines or anything with other type

1:12:22

of belief systems and stuff. So I

1:12:25

just say, hey, we're learning gut training.

1:12:27

How do you, you know? Which is

1:12:29

true self-defense, right? How do I... Instinct.

1:12:32

Yeah, instinct. I'm looking at this person

1:12:34

who's smiling at me and really in

1:12:36

the back of their mind and heart.

1:12:39

They want to kidnap me and take

1:12:41

me away from my family. But they're

1:12:43

saying all the right things, hey kid,

1:12:46

I'm your buddy, you know, here, take

1:12:48

this. So I have to use something

1:12:50

else. to help me feel that out

1:12:53

in instinct and my gut will tell

1:12:55

me through this intuition that this person

1:12:57

is not right, but my logic brain

1:12:59

because I don't want to use my

1:13:02

intuition anymore because my immediate environment at

1:13:04

home tells me that that's crap and

1:13:06

we don't do that, then I go

1:13:09

along with it and now I'm gone,

1:13:11

right? So I say, hey, we're just

1:13:13

trying to build up that gut and

1:13:16

your instinct and get you that that

1:13:18

that intuition that you need to kind

1:13:20

of survive these threats, you know? But

1:13:23

really, I'm trying to get them to

1:13:25

a different place, but I'm using that

1:13:27

as a means of vehicle to help

1:13:29

them grow. Not to cut you off,

1:13:32

but just so everyone's aware, you teach

1:13:34

a lot of this stuff. You have

1:13:36

students of all different age groups. Yes.

1:13:39

And you teach the Ninja stuff, the

1:13:41

Mindsight stuff, and this particular thing. So

1:13:43

just for those of you listening, you've

1:13:46

been teaching for how long now? I've

1:13:48

had my school in... for 17 years.

1:13:50

I've been teaching for probably 20 years.

1:13:53

Okay. Or more. All right. Sorry to

1:13:55

cut you off, but I did feel

1:13:57

like that was important to get out

1:14:00

of the way that people understand that

1:14:02

like you're not just telling some random

1:14:04

kids to like trust her gut that

1:14:06

you have a school and you've been

1:14:09

doing this for a long time. I

1:14:11

was my bad and I didn't set

1:14:13

that up. Yeah, no problem. Thanks for

1:14:16

going back to make sure that to

1:14:18

make sure that you know I don't

1:14:20

get beat up on the internet. Yeah,

1:14:23

so that I had this kid in

1:14:25

there and they're playing these games and

1:14:27

I put a blindfold on and they

1:14:30

got to like do stuff and you

1:14:32

know with the blindfold and I one

1:14:34

day was like, hey, let's have your

1:14:37

moms do it, you know, that are

1:14:39

out there watching us and the kids

1:14:41

like, yeah, I'm going to get mom

1:14:43

involved. So they go and grab mom

1:14:46

moms come out there, put the mask

1:14:48

on, mom, some moms are doing well,

1:14:50

another mom is doing well, and then

1:14:53

one of them takes the mask off

1:14:55

and she says you know, you know.

1:14:58

I thought he was pretending this

1:15:00

whole time. I thought it was

1:15:02

fake. I thought he had to

1:15:04

be peaking through the mask. She's

1:15:06

like, but you can't see anything

1:15:08

through that thing. So then that

1:15:10

gave me this kind of, that

1:15:13

kind of gave me this epiphany

1:15:15

of like, wow, you know, what

1:15:17

she basically just said without saying

1:15:19

was that at home, she's thinking

1:15:21

it's just all made up and

1:15:23

pretend. And if he's at home

1:15:25

with her most of the time,

1:15:27

if he's like, hey, I want

1:15:29

to do gut training, she's like,

1:15:31

oh, yeah, we don't do that

1:15:33

pretend stuff, you just do that

1:15:35

when you're at the martial arts

1:15:37

school. And that could potentially shut

1:15:39

down that youth wanting to explore

1:15:41

that and wanting to grow in

1:15:44

that. And so again, that was

1:15:46

my initial way into me wanting

1:15:48

to get deeper into remote viewing,

1:15:50

but also for me personally in

1:15:52

my life, I am truly trying

1:15:54

to follow this ninja path. these

1:15:56

nine abilities that they had, I'm

1:15:58

really trying to embody that. And

1:16:00

then go down that goes through

1:16:02

the process of doing that because

1:16:04

this was these nine of once

1:16:06

you obtained or was able to

1:16:08

really really grow in these nine

1:16:10

abilities, it was what they call,

1:16:12

you become what they call a

1:16:15

tutsigen, which is like this fully

1:16:17

actualized human being, right? Well-rounded person.

1:16:19

And I have also studied and

1:16:21

trained in yoga, and you know,

1:16:23

we have the gross plane, the

1:16:25

subtle plane, and the causal plane,

1:16:27

and you, you... exploring all of

1:16:29

those and really getting to a

1:16:31

point where you embody all of

1:16:33

those takes you to this other

1:16:35

level where you're in this really.

1:16:37

you're fully actualized human being. You

1:16:39

know, you're somebody who can really

1:16:41

explore all aspects of what it

1:16:43

means to be human, which is

1:16:46

the term yoga, which means to

1:16:48

join or to union, right? You're

1:16:50

joining all of who you are

1:16:52

together. So it's not just me

1:16:54

being physical or it's not just

1:16:56

me being gross and gross, it's

1:16:58

subtle plane or it's not me

1:17:00

just being in the subtle plane.

1:17:02

It's me weaving together, all those

1:17:04

in a very... nice balance and

1:17:06

really fully exploring what all that

1:17:08

means and how they all interrelate

1:17:10

You know so that we operate

1:17:12

very well and efficiently and to

1:17:14

our greatest potential And that's that's

1:17:17

what my goal is personally for

1:17:19

my own life and I see

1:17:21

that if I can give even

1:17:23

a little one, one extra taste

1:17:25

of another aspect of their multi-dimensional

1:17:27

nature that I've done my job

1:17:29

hopefully as an instructor or a

1:17:31

teacher for that person's life. And

1:17:33

I've also helped bring into the

1:17:35

world someone who's going to be

1:17:37

a more powerful being who hopefully

1:17:39

fights for, when I say fight,

1:17:41

I don't mean like, oh, but

1:17:43

you know, really pushes for more

1:17:45

light in the world than more

1:17:48

love in the world. because they

1:17:50

recognize their own full, they recognize

1:17:52

a little bit more about the

1:17:54

magnitude of who they really are,

1:17:56

which helps them recognize the magnitude

1:17:58

of what they really are in

1:18:00

a grand scheme of things and

1:18:02

how all that connects to one

1:18:04

another. Wow. I mean, that's a

1:18:06

lofty goal. But I think, you

1:18:08

know, I've seen you, I've seen

1:18:10

the videos you've sent me where,

1:18:12

you know, you're with your students

1:18:14

and they're doing the mind site

1:18:16

things. And so those who aren't

1:18:19

aware, there are these things called

1:18:21

mind folds, which are like blindfolds,

1:18:23

but better. They're completely blackout. I

1:18:25

use them actually for meditating because

1:18:27

no light gets in in these

1:18:29

things. There's no peaking. Like, I

1:18:31

mean, I can make a blind

1:18:33

fold that I can look through,

1:18:35

okay, but that's not what these

1:18:37

are. And it's completely dark, like

1:18:39

no lights getting in. And these

1:18:41

kids and these students, what they're

1:18:43

doing is they have colors in

1:18:45

front of them, and then they

1:18:47

have a pile of cardboard papers

1:18:50

or whatever, and they're kind of

1:18:52

sensing somehow perceiving, in some cases,

1:18:54

I guess, even seeing, in their

1:18:56

mind's eye. what colors these papers

1:18:58

are and they're putting them in

1:19:00

the right piles and you know

1:19:02

there's there's some examples of that

1:19:04

in the telepathy tapes as well

1:19:06

which was really cool to see

1:19:08

and you know when I see

1:19:10

this man like I'm not alone

1:19:12

in thinking and being skeptical when

1:19:14

I see this right because I

1:19:16

if I've seen some pretty incredible

1:19:18

stuff and when I look at

1:19:20

that I'm like that's so insane

1:19:23

yeah that like my brain glitches

1:19:25

out and it goes straight to

1:19:27

Occam's razor and Occam's razor tells

1:19:29

me you can see it. Yeah,

1:19:31

you're cheating, right? That's Occam's razor.

1:19:33

Yeah. But in this case, they're

1:19:35

not. And it's just so hard

1:19:37

to reconcile as an adult who,

1:19:39

you know, has a view of

1:19:41

reality, walks around every day. It's

1:19:43

hard for an adult to reconcile

1:19:45

that. Yeah. How's that fit in

1:19:47

my... reality now. Yeah. Like how

1:19:49

does that even work? So when

1:19:51

you're doing these exercises, do you,

1:19:54

first of all, this has happened

1:19:56

to you too, you practice this.

1:19:58

Yeah. Yeah. What is that like?

1:20:00

Is it a sensation? Is it

1:20:02

a vibration? Is it a sense?

1:20:04

Like how does that work? Yeah.

1:20:06

I think your question is huge

1:20:08

and it has many layers to

1:20:10

it. And the first layer is.

1:20:12

when we look at it and

1:20:14

we think it's got to be

1:20:16

something more I don't understand you

1:20:18

know there was a time I

1:20:20

would stray to say in human

1:20:22

history where that wasn't that wasn't

1:20:25

the case oh the shaman the

1:20:27

this the that those coming in

1:20:29

this is my theory this is

1:20:31

my theory I think is a

1:20:33

little more than a theory but

1:20:35

I want to stay open those

1:20:37

coming in the children spent most

1:20:39

of their time with those going

1:20:41

out, the grandparents, and these tribes,

1:20:43

in these small communities or groups

1:20:45

or whatever. In the grandparents, the

1:20:47

kids have this unique perspective because

1:20:49

they're not really bound by the

1:20:51

world, and then the grandparents, those

1:20:53

who are going out, are losing...

1:20:56

you know, their binds of the

1:20:58

world. They're going back to source

1:21:00

and these guys are coming out

1:21:02

of source. And then the people

1:21:04

in between, the parents, are hunting

1:21:06

and fishing and building and doing

1:21:08

those things. They may still believe

1:21:10

in those things, but they have

1:21:12

things that they gotta do to

1:21:14

make sure that the village survives.

1:21:16

So the youth are getting trained

1:21:18

by those individuals, these older individuals,

1:21:20

and then as they come into

1:21:22

adulthood, they have that understanding already.

1:21:24

I think it was supported back

1:21:27

then. And then they had shaman

1:21:29

and medicine people who were helping,

1:21:31

and so they were a lot

1:21:33

more in tune. But now in

1:21:35

this paradigm, you know, we are

1:21:37

a lot more skeptical because we

1:21:39

live in this kind of materialistic,

1:21:41

reductionistic, society. and science has really

1:21:43

helped us come along in some

1:21:45

ways. But I mean, you know,

1:21:47

we've had all of these experiences

1:21:49

in science where we thought shit

1:21:51

was not real, where we said

1:21:53

it can't be, that the Earth...

1:21:55

goes around the sun that there's

1:21:58

no such thing as things in

1:22:00

the air called germs we can't

1:22:02

see that can infect people and

1:22:04

do all that stuff and we'll

1:22:06

kill you for it if you

1:22:08

say it again you know and

1:22:10

then somehow that flipped over and

1:22:12

so I only wanted to talk

1:22:14

about that point because you know

1:22:16

there are people who still say

1:22:18

no no no I can't be

1:22:20

that can't be it's got to

1:22:22

be them tricking and playing and

1:22:24

so on and so forth but

1:22:26

then that maybe I don't think

1:22:29

that's how we always thought I

1:22:31

think that was probably the minority

1:22:33

at some point in time and

1:22:35

the majority was like, yeah, of

1:22:37

course, you know, like, yeah, we

1:22:39

can talk to a Native American

1:22:41

man who said, oh yeah, the

1:22:43

ancestors used to talk about, like,

1:22:45

how did you know you could

1:22:47

eat that plant and that one?

1:22:49

Was it just that everybody died

1:22:51

who ate that one and then

1:22:53

enough people said it? And then

1:22:55

they said, and these guys would

1:22:57

say, no, the plant told us.

1:23:00

And now we have all this

1:23:02

research coming out that's saying like

1:23:04

plant-worthy sentient beans and that they're

1:23:06

communicating with each other and that

1:23:08

you know there's mycelium under the

1:23:10

ground that's telling this tree over

1:23:12

here and this tree a thousand

1:23:14

miles away like what's on its

1:23:16

way and we can prove that

1:23:18

and you know but these old

1:23:20

ancient people were saying oh yeah

1:23:22

they're like Oh, you're just figuring

1:23:24

that out? You know, like, we've

1:23:26

been writing about this and telling

1:23:28

it in what we call in

1:23:31

Japanese martial arts, the Okudin, like,

1:23:33

this verbal transmission, for generations. But

1:23:35

you're just figuring that out, like.

1:23:37

Yeah, we don't need to understand

1:23:39

the science to use it. Yes.

1:23:41

Yeah. Or to have, I mean,

1:23:43

what is faith to have that

1:23:45

belief that it's there? and understand

1:23:47

that. But I wanted to definitely

1:23:49

preface that and say, like, okay,

1:23:51

yeah, there's that. And then there's,

1:23:53

okay, well, what is happening when

1:23:55

I do my mind site, when

1:23:57

I do my remote viewing? And

1:23:59

I can tell you, it's really

1:24:02

odd. It's a knowing. And a

1:24:04

lot of people have been using

1:24:06

that. The more I've been in

1:24:08

this circle where it's just a

1:24:10

knowing. And I remember my teacher

1:24:12

Paul Smith, he would say, if

1:24:14

you think. that it is this

1:24:16

color or it's the shape, this

1:24:18

shape or whatever, you're probably wrong.

1:24:20

If you feel like it is

1:24:22

though, you're probably right. So if

1:24:24

you're like, I don't even understand

1:24:26

why I'm writing, I don't know,

1:24:28

I just feel like I should

1:24:30

write square and I don't know

1:24:32

and I've seen people when they

1:24:35

first learn, they go through that

1:24:37

I don't know stage. What do

1:24:39

you mean? Write something down? Yeah,

1:24:41

tell me what's in the box?

1:24:43

How am I going to tell

1:24:45

you in the box? Just write

1:24:47

the first thing that comes to

1:24:49

mind. No, I don't understand. And

1:24:51

they just start writing. And they're

1:24:53

like, I don't get it. What

1:24:55

am I supposed to be right

1:24:57

in here? You know, well, what

1:24:59

colors come to mind? Oh, blue,

1:25:01

but why, why, why, black, you

1:25:03

know? And they just, they're just

1:25:06

fighting it. Their logic is just

1:25:08

like resisting. And then you open

1:25:10

the box and they're like, holy,

1:25:12

but Jesus. That's, that's, you feel

1:25:14

so silly doing these things. And,

1:25:16

and, you know, there is that,

1:25:18

that. that sort of detachment from

1:25:20

what it used to be, where

1:25:22

you used to be like feel

1:25:24

empowered with these things, now you

1:25:26

do feel silly. You're forced to

1:25:28

feel silly. You're kind of bullied

1:25:30

into thinking that this isn't real,

1:25:32

right? So I remember doing the

1:25:34

sessions and during the sessions, I

1:25:37

would always like I'd meditate and

1:25:39

I'd feel good, right? And like

1:25:41

you said, like sometimes you just

1:25:43

know, you're like, phew, that's a,

1:25:45

I'm getting a really like good

1:25:47

feeling about this and like, you'll

1:25:49

just do it, whatever. And then

1:25:51

as soon as it's done, I'm

1:25:53

like, ah. And then it's time

1:25:55

to open an envelope. But I'd

1:25:57

always be like. Oh

1:26:00

no, that's probably all wrong. And then the doubt

1:26:02

would sink in and then I'd be like, no

1:26:04

this is stupid, I'm stupid, what am I doing?

1:26:06

This is not going to work. And then I

1:26:08

started doubting myself, but then open the envelope and

1:26:10

shirt, lo and behold, like I was like, whoa,

1:26:13

lo and behold, like I was like, whoa, but

1:26:15

like, whoa, lo and behold, like I was like,

1:26:17

whoa, like, whoa, lo and behold, like, like, I

1:26:19

was like, like, lo and I was like, lo

1:26:21

and I'm, lo and I was, lo and I

1:26:23

was, like, lo and I'm, lo and I'm, lo

1:26:25

and I was, lo and I was, I was,

1:26:27

lo and I was, lo and I was, I

1:26:30

was, lo and I was, lo and I was,

1:26:32

lo and I was, I was, lo, lo, lo,

1:26:34

lo, I was, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, I

1:26:36

was, lo, And another thing I found out is

1:26:38

like after doing it a lot, you would start

1:26:40

to recognize that knowing. Yes. And that's the practice.

1:26:42

Yeah. And I only found that out after because

1:26:44

I was like, how do you practice just like

1:26:47

gut checking things? And well, you remember how it

1:26:49

is you felt when a piece of information gets

1:26:51

confirmed. you remember what that felt like when you

1:26:53

perceived it the first time. And so when it

1:26:55

happens again, you go, oh, and you get excited,

1:26:57

and then you do it, and then you find

1:26:59

it, oh, and it doesn't always match, but sometimes.

1:27:01

And then you start to build a sort of

1:27:04

repertoire of these senses, and how that, you know,

1:27:06

how those means you feel. And, but I also

1:27:08

found it that relying too much on that isn't

1:27:10

good either, because then you start getting over confident,

1:27:12

and the ego gets in the way, and you,

1:27:14

and you go gets in the way, and it,

1:27:16

and it so touch in the way, and it,

1:27:19

and it, and it's so touch, and it, and

1:27:21

it's so touch, and it, and it's so touch,

1:27:23

and it, and it, and, and, and, and, and,

1:27:25

and, and, and, it's so touch, and, and, and,

1:27:27

and, and, and, it's, it's, and, it's, it's, it's,

1:27:29

Yeah, and that's and I mean that that can

1:27:31

be related to how does a person know when

1:27:33

they shoot a three-point shot that it's going to

1:27:36

make it and when you talk when I played

1:27:38

basketball and then also talk to people who would

1:27:40

play basketball there be times I remember this guy

1:27:42

he almost all the time from the three the

1:27:44

free throw line he'll he's throw this thing up

1:27:46

and he would make it in there right and

1:27:48

then he got to a point where he would

1:27:50

just come down the court so it up turn

1:27:53

around run back and it would it would just

1:27:55

make it and we all I'm sitting there in

1:27:57

the center like waiting for the rebound and then

1:27:59

I look over and I see him walking back

1:28:01

and then I look up and it's like and

1:28:03

I'm like how did that dude no you know

1:28:05

and And they'll just say, like, I don't know,

1:28:07

I just know, when I, it just feels, everything

1:28:10

feels right when I put it in the air,

1:28:12

but they still sometimes miss, right? But they get

1:28:14

better at recognizing that sense, recognizing what it feels

1:28:16

like when, when the knowing is happening, and that,

1:28:18

and giving us that opportunity to understand that. It's

1:28:20

a story that I have that came to mind

1:28:22

when you were saying that, where I had an

1:28:25

employee once and... I noticed he would get this

1:28:27

one meal and every time he would get this

1:28:29

meal, he would start, he would gargle

1:28:31

a little bit when he talked

1:28:33

like he had flim in his

1:28:35

throat and I was, and he

1:28:37

started coughing and one day I said

1:28:39

to him, I said, you know, did you ever

1:28:41

notice when you eat that, that

1:28:44

meal you're eating, that you start

1:28:46

getting a lot of flim and you

1:28:48

know, you start coughing a lot, and he

1:28:50

was like, no. I don't think it's there.

1:28:52

And I was like, okay, cool. And I

1:28:55

just went on about my business and like

1:28:57

a month later, he comes back to me

1:28:59

and he said, you know what? Since you

1:29:01

said it that one time, I've been paying

1:29:03

attention and every time I eat it, I get

1:29:05

tons of flam and all this stuff. And so,

1:29:08

yeah, that changed my perspective, right?

1:29:10

So I brought his awareness and

1:29:12

his attention to it, and he

1:29:14

was aware enough to go back

1:29:16

and like pay attention to it,

1:29:18

and then he was able to

1:29:20

work something out, where now he

1:29:22

knows that he's not going to

1:29:24

feel too well after he eats this

1:29:26

mill, you know? And that sometimes is

1:29:29

why having a good teacher is

1:29:31

important, because they can help you

1:29:33

have those moments. and or

1:29:36

just being able to be mindful

1:29:38

and pay attention to what's what

1:29:40

what's happening in your world and

1:29:42

that's part of the growth in

1:29:45

these skills is having that awareness

1:29:47

of when the knowing is happening

1:29:49

because at first is like I

1:29:51

don't know what's going on and

1:29:53

then after a while you start

1:29:55

having that moment where you're like

1:29:57

oh every time I kind of feel this

1:30:00

little thing than that's happening. And we

1:30:02

see that with the mind site too.

1:30:04

We'll have people like use their hand

1:30:06

and they'll look for things and I'll

1:30:09

say, hey, like how did you know?

1:30:11

And they're like, oh, one kid was

1:30:13

telling me they feel like somebody pressing

1:30:16

on their hand. And I was like,

1:30:18

oh, okay. And then I've had kids

1:30:20

who start with it and I don't

1:30:23

know, I just knew it was there

1:30:25

and then later they'll be like, you

1:30:27

know, I was thinking about what you

1:30:29

said and every time I get over

1:30:32

the bag, it gets, my hand gets

1:30:34

really cold, you know, and I'm like,

1:30:36

oh, okay, cool, let's, you know, let's

1:30:39

pay attention to that for next time.

1:30:41

And they are paying attention now, so,

1:30:43

and then their stats get higher and

1:30:46

higher because now they have the understanding

1:30:48

of what that signal of what that

1:30:50

signal is, sometimes their language changed so

1:30:52

now it's not cold but it's hot

1:30:55

you know and then they're like oh

1:30:57

man I'm getting it wrong I'm getting

1:30:59

it wrong and then they start getting

1:31:02

them right and I say well what

1:31:04

happened between when you're getting wrong well

1:31:06

I remember it used to get cold

1:31:09

but then today for whatever reason it's

1:31:11

not getting cold anymore but it gets

1:31:13

hot and so I started choosing hot

1:31:16

and then I was getting them right

1:31:18

and it's like oh okay well isn't

1:31:20

that interesting that we change as individuals

1:31:22

from a day-to-to-day basis right you have

1:31:25

different days where you're susceptible to more

1:31:27

things or you feel different ways based

1:31:29

on how you went to bed, how

1:31:32

much sleep you got, maybe what your

1:31:34

chemistry is on that day. And we

1:31:36

do know that that's a fact that

1:31:39

nobody, you're not, your constitution isn't always

1:31:41

100% the same as the day before

1:31:43

as it is today based on all

1:31:45

of these, this balancing act that's going

1:31:48

on in your body. The signal is

1:31:50

so faint that any like little bit...

1:31:52

of lack of sleep or you ate

1:31:55

too much or you're not feeling too

1:31:57

well, like any of that is going

1:31:59

to affect the signal or sort of

1:32:02

how you perceive the signal, right? Is

1:32:04

there, okay, I'm so fascinated by this

1:32:06

stuff. There's so many things I want

1:32:09

to get to. But I do want

1:32:11

to transition from here in a second.

1:32:13

But first I want to ask just

1:32:15

for the audience at home. Is there

1:32:18

like a cool remote viewing story that

1:32:20

you have personally that you did that

1:32:22

you were like knocked your socks off?

1:32:25

That knocked my socks off. I would

1:32:27

say it's when I watch other people.

1:32:29

I know that are really good. But

1:32:32

I'd say probably the once the time

1:32:34

I was the most impressed with my

1:32:36

remote viewing. was the time I was

1:32:38

the most stressed. And so I was

1:32:41

trying to get this homework done for

1:32:43

Paul. He has this like his program

1:32:45

super intensive. It's amazing. You know, you

1:32:48

got a bunch of homework you got

1:32:50

to do once you get done with

1:32:52

the program. And you don't the only

1:32:55

way you can make it to the

1:32:57

next level is if you do all

1:32:59

that homework. And and so. I believe,

1:33:02

yeah, it was, I was about to

1:33:04

take his level to his intermediate course,

1:33:06

but I had like one more homework

1:33:08

assignment done and I was in, I'm

1:33:11

in school for integrative health medicine, I

1:33:13

got my businesses, I got all this

1:33:15

stuff going on and I just wasn't

1:33:18

able to get that last one done

1:33:20

and it's only like two days before

1:33:22

I'm supposed to fly out. And so

1:33:25

I'm thinking he's gonna either make me

1:33:27

do it when I get there or

1:33:29

whatever. Excuse me. Oh man, I gotta

1:33:31

get this done, I'm stressed, I'm like,

1:33:34

oh, you know, I got like five

1:33:36

minutes, maybe ten minutes to get this

1:33:38

thing done, and you know, but when

1:33:41

you do CRV, it's a pretty, it

1:33:43

could be a pretty lengthy process, you

1:33:45

gotta go through, so I'm like, I'm

1:33:48

gonna just have to do it, I'm

1:33:50

just have to do it, I'm just

1:33:52

have to do it, I'm just have

1:33:54

to do it, and I'm just have

1:33:57

to do it, I have to do

1:33:59

it, to do it, I'm just have

1:34:01

to do it, to do it, I'm

1:34:04

just have to do it, I'm just

1:34:06

have to do it, I'm just have

1:34:08

to do it, I'm just have to

1:34:11

do it, I'm just have to do

1:34:13

it, I'm just have to do it,

1:34:15

I'm just have to do it, I'm

1:34:18

just have to do it, I'm just

1:34:20

have to do it, I'm just have

1:34:22

to do, I'm just have to do,

1:34:24

I'm, pages and then I'm like all

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right I'm done I'm just gonna submit

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it and I open the thing up

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and that was the best remote viewing

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I've ever done whoa and it's like

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well so all the times when I

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like tried to get in the zone

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and like sit down and take my

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time and focus. I didn't do as

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good as when I was like under

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pressure and you know just didn't care.

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This goes back to, this goes to

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another story. So I'm going to segue

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into this story about when I got

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my fifth degree black belt in Njitsu.

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So I'm going for my, I failed

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the first two times I went for

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this test. So we, in Njitsu, we

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have the five elements, right? This five

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elemental manifestation, which, you know, you can

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find in Chinese stuff and in Indian,

1:35:13

Hindu, face or beliefs. And so... We

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have these five elements and getting to

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your black belt you go from earth

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to water to fire to wind to

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void, right? And then you get a

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black belt and that's the mastery levels