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weren't on a road and

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we experienced something that night.

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We rolled on our windows and

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we look out and we just see

0:56

like this, I mean, UFO.

0:58

Sort of coming towards us.

1:01

And then it changed direction

1:03

and then it changed again

1:05

the direction and it skipped.

1:07

Well, it disappeared. Because

1:09

this is also something mentioned

1:11

by Bob Lazar. And you had

1:13

an opportunity to meet Bob. Yeah. Did

1:15

you bring this up to him? I

1:18

did. Fast forward a few years now,

1:20

I'm in Washington, so I'm like, you know

1:22

what, I'm gonna ask that big question,

1:24

so I told the lady in front of

1:27

me, and as I'm talking to her,

1:29

the entire table stopped talking. All

1:31

the attention turned on me. You know,

1:33

I just want to ask you,

1:35

is there something out there? And

1:37

she told me, you're not crazy.

1:39

There is something out there. I

1:41

was like, boom! Like, oh my

1:43

God. During COVID, after I

1:46

retired, I decided to go on

1:48

a journey. I decided to do

1:50

Ayahuasca. When it started, I started

1:52

leaving my body, I started levitating,

1:55

and I'm not leaving my body

1:57

going up like this. I'm leaving

1:59

it, going up like this, looking

2:01

down. You're seeing yourself? Yeah. I

2:04

even see my friend. He was

2:06

texting someone. Told him, I said,

2:08

you were texting this person. He

2:11

said, how did you know? I

2:13

said, I went over your shoulder,

2:15

man. I saw it. And I'm

2:17

not alone. There's something that sort

2:20

of lift me up. And can

2:22

I use? I'm going to draw

2:24

it to you. No eyes. No

2:26

mouth. And it was communicating with

2:29

me. You know who are you

2:31

and it says I'm you and

2:33

everybody in the same time I'm

2:35

the air you breathe and the

2:38

water you drink. I know why

2:40

you're here you're curious to know

2:42

about what is consciousness and I'm

2:44

going to show it to you.

2:47

And then I see the map,

2:49

the planet, the solar system. It's

2:51

like I'm going out. Like I

2:53

zoom out, you know, from where

2:56

I was, and I see the

2:58

entire, the galaxies, the universe, the

3:00

different universe, the different dimensions, to

3:02

the point that at one point

3:05

I'm like, it's too much, I

3:07

can't take it anymore. four or

3:09

five houses down. There's a spinning

3:11

disc with spinning lights all around

3:14

it and a spotlight coming down

3:16

from the center. It must have

3:18

been like, I don't know, 40

3:20

feet above this house that was

3:23

like five houses down from us.

3:25

Don't remember anybody talking about it

3:27

afterwards. The memory just ends right

3:29

there. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.

3:32

Today we are joined by an

3:34

amazing guest. Jean Saint-Pierre. George, thank

3:36

you so much for doing this.

3:38

This is unexpected, I think, to

3:41

a lot of the viewers. So

3:43

like, what is George St. Pierre

3:45

doing on this podcast? I'm happy

3:47

to be here and I mean.

3:50

Thank you for having me a

3:52

few weeks ago with Louis Elizando.

3:54

I mean, I'm really happy that

3:56

you allowed me to come here

3:59

and have a conversation with him.

4:01

Yeah, it was incredible. And you

4:03

know, obviously the things that are

4:05

spoken about off-camera often, like we

4:08

get into like some deeper stuff,

4:10

right? More things that are speculative,

4:12

so it's not, you can't really

4:14

say it on camera because it's

4:17

not sure, and so, but those

4:19

are the fun conversations. Yeah, it's

4:21

a lot of stuff sometimes that

4:24

when you talk about it, a

4:26

lot of people will roll their

4:28

eyes back and it will touch

4:30

your credibility. But, you know, I'm

4:33

passionate about UAPs and it's a

4:35

subject that I'm very interested in.

4:37

And when I found out that

4:39

Louis Loelizondo came here, I was

4:42

like, man, he's one of the

4:44

guys that I always wanted to

4:46

meet. And to have the opportunity

4:48

to do it, to have a

4:51

like... conversation with this guy it

4:53

was it was amazing and when

4:55

that happened the weekend just the

4:57

weekend before I was in Washington

5:00

that's right added opportunity to meet

5:02

with some high-ranked military in United

5:04

States because it was during the

5:06

inauguration weekend I was not there

5:09

really for the inauguration I was

5:11

there because of the guy of

5:13

the UFC John Jones was there

5:15

bow-jones was there Connor and yeah

5:18

exactly a lot of guys were

5:20

there a lot of the professional

5:22

athlete were there so add an

5:24

opportunity to go and I took

5:27

it because I had a chance

5:29

to meet different people it was

5:31

a great opportunity I would have

5:33

I would have been a fool

5:36

to not take it I would

5:38

have taken it I think most

5:40

people take that opportunity of course

5:42

I mean it's a it's a

5:45

chance of a lifetime an opportunity

5:47

of a lifetime so I met

5:49

a lot of people but of

5:51

all the celebrity that I've met

5:54

that we can I met Zacharbrae.

5:56

I met a lot of a

5:58

lot of celebrity, but... But for

6:00

me, the thrill of my weekend,

6:03

it was to be able to

6:05

sit down with some of the

6:07

iranct military, some of the guys

6:09

that, you know, when you want

6:12

to talk about you AP's secret

6:14

program and stuff like that, these

6:16

are the guys that knows the

6:18

answers and had amazing conversation and

6:21

still. to this day. I'm, you

6:23

know, a lot of these guys

6:25

I'm, I'm friend with, we text

6:27

each other and I made some

6:30

great friends there and it was

6:32

just an amazing weekend. Wow, that's

6:34

a, so wait, how, are you,

6:36

are you okay saying, how did,

6:39

how did, how did you get

6:41

into that? Like, what did, what

6:43

happened there during those, like, how

6:45

did that conversation start? Well, So

6:48

the way it started is the

6:50

first dinner. It was a Friday

6:52

night the first the first day

6:54

that I arrived in Washington added

6:57

At a dinner at night and

6:59

I get introduced to these guys

7:01

with Tim Kennedy Tim Kennedy is

7:03

a former U.S. C fighter Green

7:06

Barrett and He's a guy that's

7:08

on the field, you know, like

7:10

he's like a cowboy, you know,

7:12

he's the one who does a

7:15

dirty job on the field and

7:17

he introduced me to a lot

7:19

of these guys and to Sarah

7:21

Averano, I get introduced to a

7:24

lot of the people in a

7:26

different branch of the military there

7:28

and we had dinner and a

7:30

lot of the veterans, a lot

7:33

of the military people are big

7:35

fans of mixed martial arts, so.

7:37

They knew who I was. I

7:39

mean, to be fair, a lot

7:42

of people know who you are,

7:44

not just in the military. But

7:46

that's one of the reasons why

7:48

I was able to get in

7:51

touch with these people. So the

7:53

first dinner that we had. It

7:55

was like about maybe 12, 15

7:57

people around the table and you

8:00

know we didn't know each other

8:02

you know some of these guys

8:04

like almost I mean actually except

8:06

from Tim that I know for

8:09

for a few years all the

8:11

other people around the table I

8:13

had never met before and we

8:15

all introduced each other you know

8:18

like and I didn't realize with

8:20

who I was sitting until at

8:22

one point during the dinner I

8:24

was thinking I was like you

8:27

know what if if I want

8:29

to ask the question that's the

8:31

time to do it because I

8:33

might I might never ever had

8:36

another opportunity in my life to

8:38

ask this question maybe I'm gonna

8:40

look like a fool yeah and

8:42

they're all gonna make fun of

8:45

me thinking oh I'm brain damage

8:47

or whatever or maybe they're gonna

8:49

tell me what they are allowed

8:51

to tell me So everybody was

8:54

talking to the people next to

8:56

them because it was a big

8:58

table and one point I was

9:00

like, you know, I would you

9:03

know, I had a conversation with

9:05

different people, but I talked to

9:07

one of the person that was

9:09

in front of me ask ask

9:12

her She was a lady and

9:14

I asked her I said I

9:16

Always wanted to ask you this

9:18

question. I you know I told

9:21

her one of the adventure that

9:23

I had that one day and

9:25

I was in a few years

9:27

ago before my fight with Matt

9:30

Serra. It's about 15 years ago

9:32

I was in Albuquerque and I

9:34

was in the I was in

9:36

a car and I was with

9:39

Mike Vinarsdale who's a former U.S.

9:41

fighter Rashad Evans Ali Abd el

9:43

Aziz who's a Kabib and Islam

9:45

Makachev manager who was a training

9:48

partner of mine and another guy

9:50

name Alejandro, Alejandro is a Mexican

9:52

but I can't remember, I don't

9:54

know what he became, I lost

9:57

contact with him and I... Ali

9:59

Anandro and I were in the

10:01

back seat. Mike Van Arsdel was

10:03

driving. Russia Divens was on the

10:06

passenger seat. And we weren't on

10:08

a road and we saw something.

10:10

We experienced something that night. That

10:12

all five of us, like it's

10:15

undeniable. Like something, we saw something

10:17

like and... What did you say?

10:19

Was it like lights in the

10:21

sky or was it? Yeah, it

10:24

was a light sort of coming

10:26

towards us and when it happened

10:28

I had an impression and I

10:30

don't have the certain it's not

10:33

a certainty but I was under

10:35

the impression that sort of the

10:37

time sort of stuff not the

10:39

car but the car kept rolling

10:42

but like you know when you

10:44

get so intensely like you're mesmerized

10:46

yeah yeah like all of us

10:48

were like like like like we

10:51

only add focus on that thing

10:53

so he came towards us and

10:55

then it changed direction and then

10:57

it changed again the direction and

11:00

it's skip it disappeared and for

11:02

that brief moment it's sort of

11:04

like like everything else around us

11:06

didn't matter it was only this

11:09

like all of us like like

11:11

silence and we saw this thing

11:13

and after that when it's kept

11:15

and the disappear all of us

11:18

were like oh my god what

11:20

is this and the crazy thing

11:22

about it is the way I

11:24

saw it and the way my

11:27

friend saw it it was different

11:29

because there's no point of reference

11:31

I saw something that I there

11:33

was no wings there was no

11:36

like it was no noise but

11:38

we're inside of a car but

11:40

I remember seeing an interview of,

11:42

I think it was Rashad or

11:45

Aliyev de Leses, talking about that

11:47

thing. I'm in Elkreki, New Mexico,

11:49

and I'm with GSP, Allea Della

11:51

Zeeves, who's now like the manager

11:54

of mostly a lot of UFC

11:56

fighters. And we're right on the

11:58

highway. The traffic is starting to

12:00

slow down. It slows down to

12:03

like almost a crawl. And we're

12:05

like, why has everybody stopping? And

12:07

then we start to look and

12:09

see where everybody is looking. And

12:12

then we rolled on our windows

12:14

and we look out and we

12:16

just see like this. I mean.

12:18

UFO because of the way it

12:21

was moving, it just didn't seem,

12:23

it was that typical UFO UFO

12:25

movement where it was like moving

12:27

and then it like was stopped

12:30

and like defined gravity for a

12:32

bit and then it just stayed

12:34

there for a second and you

12:36

know the light the light pattern

12:39

was was weird as well too

12:41

and as everybody sitting there watching

12:43

it, it then just like shot

12:45

off. And the time that it

12:48

lasted and it didn't correspond to...

12:50

exactly what I saw. So I

12:52

was thinking if I talk about

12:54

it perfectly, I'm going to look

12:57

like a liar because they don't

12:59

describe the same thing. They all

13:01

have their different description of what

13:03

they've seen. I remember I think

13:06

it was one of them said

13:08

it was like almost a minute

13:10

and for me it was only

13:12

maybe 10, 15 seconds if I

13:15

remember. So we all have a

13:17

different experience from that moment. Fast

13:19

forward a few years now, I'm

13:21

in Washington, so I'm like, you

13:24

know what, I'm gonna ask the

13:26

big questions why I I told

13:28

the lady in front of me

13:30

and as I'm talking to her,

13:33

the entire table stopped talking. All

13:35

the attention turned on me. So

13:37

I told her what I saw.

13:39

And I asked her, I said,

13:42

I, you know, I just want

13:44

to ask you, am I crazy

13:46

or? Are we did we all

13:49

collectively became crazy for a few

13:51

seconds and saw something like an

13:53

illusion or is this is there's

13:55

something out there that are not

13:58

you know are not are not

14:00

us you know and she told

14:02

me you're not crazy there's something

14:04

out there I was like boom

14:07

like oh my god like it

14:09

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14:11

that knows you know like because

14:13

they're there you know that's that's

14:16

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we, since that weekend, I had

15:30

a hard time sleeping at night,

15:32

because these are the sort of

15:34

question that keep me up at

15:37

night. And I talked to a

15:39

lot of these guys, you know,

15:41

I asked them a lot of

15:43

questions and man, this is insane.

15:46

It is so crazy that I

15:48

would be very reluctant publicly and

15:50

it's not me. is a lot

15:52

of them what they told me

15:55

and a lot of stuff that

15:57

I've read or like seen as

15:59

conspiracy theory but they what they

16:01

told me fit what I've read

16:04

and I'm like that can't be

16:06

that can be true but I

16:08

would be very reluctant to go

16:10

publicly and talk about what I've

16:13

read and what they told me

16:15

because he will it will attack

16:17

my credibility. There were people who

16:19

rolled their eyes, GSP just lost

16:22

his mind. His brain damage, this

16:24

is no way, but, but, I

16:26

mean, it's just crazy. And I

16:28

know, I know you dive deep

16:31

into this stuff, so you can

16:33

understand a little bit, you know?

16:35

This is pretty insane. It is,

16:37

and it's, it's one of those

16:40

things that like, When you say

16:42

it out loud, you know, you're

16:44

like God that sounds just absolutely

16:46

made up like it sounds like

16:49

science fiction Yeah, but the you

16:51

know truth I've found in my

16:53

research is often much stranger than

16:55

fiction and That's something that more

16:58

I look into it the more

17:00

that's becoming true and one of

17:02

the things is like first of

17:04

all like the fact that you're

17:07

even just talking about this and

17:09

being open about it is really

17:11

healthy I don't like maybe 10

17:13

years ago this would have been

17:16

considered a really touchy podcast to

17:18

do but I think in today's

17:20

landscape isn't that surprising to a

17:22

lot of people they're kind of

17:25

like well it's good it's good

17:27

that more people are understanding because

17:29

I do believe that in 10

17:31

years time maybe even less that

17:34

if you don't believe that there's

17:36

something going on you're the conspiracy

17:38

theorist I think that more people

17:40

are kind of coming around to

17:43

this idea that okay All right,

17:45

we're being visited or they're already

17:47

here or something. Yeah, yeah. And

17:49

another thing that I think I

17:52

consider this very important is, you

17:54

know, because of what's going on

17:56

in the world, there's a lot

17:58

of wars, there's a lot. And

18:01

I feel that if we found

18:03

out that we're not alone. it

18:05

will kind of unite us. We

18:07

will stop fighting over some stupid

18:10

differences. You know what I mean?

18:12

And we'll get together better. And

18:14

there's a lot of things that

18:16

could change the entire world. The

18:19

energy thing, you know, like if

18:21

this thing is true, this technology

18:23

is true. This can

18:25

be used for the benefits of

18:28

mankind, you know what I mean?

18:30

And man, it can change a

18:32

well and I for me I'm

18:34

I Think it would be important

18:36

to have a Maybe not a

18:39

full disclosure on this thing, but

18:41

at least more disclosure on the

18:43

on the matter Because it will

18:45

be the beneficial to the world.

18:47

Yeah, great point You know something

18:50

you just said there too is

18:52

like not full disclosure I agree

18:54

with that I think most people

18:56

who are familiar enough with the

18:58

topic also agree with that there

19:00

needs to be We just need

19:03

to get it out of the

19:05

way that this this is real.

19:07

Yeah, like just that let's just

19:09

get past that barrier right now

19:11

because we're so slowly approaching it

19:14

and what's happening is that more

19:16

things are coming out faster than

19:18

we're able to disclose it right

19:20

and so there needs to be

19:22

like we need to just bridge

19:25

that gap and say These things

19:27

are real, this is happening, we

19:29

are being visited, we're not alone.

19:31

Start there. You know Chris, most

19:33

people, like if you talk to

19:35

most people, are not even aware

19:38

that, you know, you say you

19:40

APs, there's things that flies, and

19:42

that only flies that goes under

19:44

the water, that are picked up

19:46

by a very sensitive military instrument,

19:49

and they don't know what it

19:51

is. I mean, I mean, it's

19:53

been disclosed, it's been... the classifies

19:55

since I think is 2017. It

19:57

was in an article in the

20:00

New York Post, but most people

20:02

are not aware of that. Most

20:04

people still think it's not true.

20:06

Like, I mean, you can research

20:08

it, it's true. It's been out,

20:11

the cat is out of the

20:13

box, or the speak, but most

20:15

people are not aware of it.

20:17

And I don't understand why the

20:19

media don't talk more about it.

20:21

I mean, it's one of the,

20:24

I mean, are we alone? Are

20:26

we, like, even if we don't

20:28

have the evidence to really know

20:30

if we're alone or not, but

20:32

this is very important, I mean.

20:35

You have a certain object that

20:37

flies over a sensitive military installation

20:39

and are picked up by an

20:41

instrument. I mean, man, it's something

20:43

to talk about. And nobody talks

20:46

about it. I'm like, you have

20:48

to dig in to find out

20:50

about it. Yeah, that's true. It's

20:52

crazy to me. It's important. Very

20:54

important. It's arguably the implication of

20:56

it. It's huge. Yeah, the most

20:59

important thing. It's, you know, and

21:01

this. This is interesting because it

21:03

also ties into, you know, a

21:05

lot of the other stuff that

21:07

that you're interested in and, you

21:10

know, ancient civilizations, you know, this,

21:12

this sort of idea of, you

21:14

know, maybe this cyclical civilization thing

21:16

happening, perhaps, or like, our lost

21:18

technology that we might have had

21:21

because you've been. traveling the world

21:23

recently, doing side quests, which is

21:25

pretty cool, you know. You did

21:27

your homework, you know, you know.

21:29

Yeah, because I mean, you've been,

21:32

you know, you did the main

21:34

quest, you know, greatest pound-for-pound fighter,

21:36

UFC champion, you've done all these

21:38

amazing things, and I think, you

21:40

know, it's kind of cool to

21:42

see what you're doing now, because

21:45

you're like, man, I did all

21:47

this stuff. Now what? Right? What

21:49

next? And now you're looking deeper.

21:51

Now you're like, well, what's the

21:53

meaning? Where do we come from?

21:56

What's happening? And you're going to

21:58

places like Balbeck, Egypt, and all

22:00

these amazing places. So what kind

22:02

of fuels that quest? Knowledge. And

22:04

I know that a lot of

22:07

these archaeological sites, it's still an

22:09

enigma, you know, they, they, they

22:11

have a rough idea of when

22:13

it was built and out it

22:15

was built, but there's a lot

22:17

of mystery surrounding it. And if

22:20

someone says that you know, they

22:22

know everything that that's not true.

22:24

And we can add in Washington

22:26

too, one thing they come from.

22:28

to me is that and I

22:31

knew that before but they just

22:33

told me that is that a

22:35

lot of the ancient text a

22:37

lot of the religious text that

22:39

we read and a lot of

22:42

the ancient text that talks about

22:44

angelic beings flying chariot and stuff

22:46

like that are probably account of

22:48

uap u a p's and things

22:50

that they but in they didn't

22:53

say flying saucer or a spaceship

22:55

because it was outside of their

22:57

vocabulary. It was outside of their

22:59

frame of reference. So they couldn't,

23:01

the way they describe it, it

23:03

was the way they use word

23:06

that they knew to describe it.

23:08

Yeah, chariots, a fire, shields, drums,

23:10

a lot of those had drums.

23:12

Anjelic beings, you know, things like

23:14

that. There was one actually that

23:17

said earthenware was the, earthenware is

23:19

literally a plate. You know, so

23:21

when you think of saucer, their

23:23

word was earthenware. So like flying

23:25

earthenware, like what's a flying saucer?

23:28

In, you know, Jacques Valet? Are

23:30

you familiar with Jacques Valle? Yeah,

23:32

absolutely. Yeah, he's, he's like, just

23:34

like the goat when it comes

23:36

to looking at that ancient stuff

23:38

because he looks in weird, obscure

23:41

references like fairies and goblins or

23:43

whatever it is, right? And he'll

23:45

find stories where there's missing time.

23:47

Where people have been taken transported

23:49

and they're describing like you said

23:52

a lot of the same things

23:54

But they just didn't have the

23:56

vocabulary exactly it's it's fascinating to

23:58

me because A

24:00

lot of it is subject to

24:02

interpretation. So it's hard to differentiate

24:04

what is it. You know what

24:06

I mean? Like in a lot

24:08

of religious text, for example, it's

24:10

subject to interpretation. And that's one

24:13

of the reason why there is,

24:15

for example, in Christianity, there are

24:17

the Catholic, the Protestant, the Adventist,

24:19

because they have a different interpretation

24:21

of what it is. And you

24:23

can make a case for a

24:25

lot of these ancient text. to

24:27

be an account of, you know,

24:29

of something. A close encounter, yeah,

24:31

exactly, exactly. That could be an

24:33

interpretation as well. I think so,

24:35

and I think that's a valid

24:37

thing, and that we're discovering that

24:39

more and more. You know, you

24:41

have like, uh, cherries to the,

24:43

was it, Cheries to the gods

24:45

or whatever? And, you know, Diana

24:47

Pasolca, as well, puts out a

24:49

lot of work. She's a theologian,

24:51

or studies theology, or studies theology,

24:53

and has found that, like, like,

24:56

like, like, like, like, like, like,

24:58

like, like, like, like, like, like,

25:00

like, like, like, like, like, like,

25:02

like, Where we're following the same

25:04

symptoms as a new religious coming,

25:06

like when Christianity was coming to

25:08

be, it was very rebellious. The

25:10

Romans were pushing against it. You

25:12

would get killed, you would get

25:14

killed, you know, for following the

25:16

word of Christ. And until the

25:18

revolution was so big that it

25:20

became the thing, right? And that

25:22

revolution, when that happened, there was

25:24

a lot of sightings. There was

25:26

a lot of angels coming down

25:28

with messages, prophetic images, all of

25:30

these things. And if you look

25:32

at now, that's kind of happening

25:34

as well. We have some characters

25:36

out there that are also getting

25:39

these images or that are getting

25:41

these sightings on command. And so

25:43

yeah, if you were to take

25:45

these texts and bring them back

25:47

2,000 years, they would almost be

25:49

identical. Yeah. And so yeah, it

25:51

does leave you questioning. Is UFO

25:53

and urology and this... Is this

25:55

the new religion? Are aliens the

25:57

new angels? not just are aliens

25:59

the old angels? Are they, how,

26:01

are we going to worship aliens?

26:03

That's right, because before they used

26:05

to believe in spirit of the

26:07

forest, whatever it is, now they

26:09

became, maybe religion, now it was

26:11

gods, and now with, not everyone,

26:13

but a lot of people don't

26:15

believe so much in religion anymore,

26:17

so if they try to make

26:19

sense of it, they will say

26:22

it's maybe coming from another planet.

26:24

We don't know what is the

26:26

truth. It's crazy, but there's certainly

26:28

something going on. There's certainly a

26:30

phenomenon that it's hard to explain.

26:32

Yeah. Yeah, and for anyone who

26:34

hasn't had like a sighting, I've

26:36

had some multiple sightings in my

26:38

life that I can't explain. I

26:40

can't tell you for sure if

26:42

they were UFOs or extraterrestrials, but

26:44

I can tell you for me

26:46

at the time, it felt like

26:48

it was. You know, so that

26:50

feeling I know, I understand that

26:52

feeling, and when you experience something,

26:54

It kind of shakes your foundation.

26:56

You know, you kind of, that's

26:58

the starting point where you're like,

27:00

okay, hold on, like you didn't

27:02

see what I saw, you didn't

27:05

feel what I felt, you know,

27:07

and that's very personal. We create,

27:09

it, we, I'm, like, from what

27:11

I saw, I'm easy to be

27:13

discredited because I'm not an astrophysicist

27:15

and a lot of people will

27:17

say, yeah, you don't have the,

27:19

the knowledge, the credibility. the competency

27:21

to say that what you say

27:23

was an ended the fire flying

27:25

object because maybe it was Venus

27:27

that you know or or I

27:29

don't know an ester a nest

27:31

or an ester royal that bounced

27:33

back or a satellite that followed

27:35

I mean I've seen something that

27:37

changed direction and it's skip I

27:39

mean it's yeah I mean

27:42

if it's Venus or something that

27:44

could be explained I will be

27:46

like very very very very very

27:48

surprised and the fact that all

27:50

of us saw it in a

27:52

different way was like man I

27:54

I don't know what to make

27:56

of it you know I have

27:59

you ever spoken to any of

28:01

them afterwards about it oh yeah

28:03

absolutely all the time like we

28:05

talk about it and a lot

28:07

of them like I'm sure they're

28:09

like me they're a little bit

28:11

shy to talk about it but

28:13

I think it's important I think

28:15

it's I think yeah it could

28:17

attack our credibility a little bit

28:20

but it is important yeah because

28:22

I'm sure there's a lot of

28:24

people that have seen stuff that

28:26

are shy to talk about it

28:28

because they're gonna be like seen

28:30

as crazy yeah especially when you're

28:32

You spend a lot of your

28:34

life in a full contact sport.

28:36

A lot of people will say,

28:38

oh, he's brain damaged, but how

28:41

do you explain that the five

28:43

of us see something? I mean,

28:45

collectively, it's kind of crazy. Yeah,

28:47

absolutely. And I don't think that

28:49

that's the case so much anymore.

28:51

I think maybe, like, 10 years

28:53

ago, prior to 2017. I think

28:55

that that might have been the

28:57

case where it's like, oh, who

29:00

are these guys? They're just crazy.

29:02

They're conspiracy theorists. But I think

29:04

now we're in a really new

29:06

landscape where talking about it isn't

29:08

so sure there are some people,

29:10

but I really do think that

29:12

most of the people that matter

29:14

in this subject and who are

29:16

trying to push this forward. I

29:18

mean, we're all in agreement here

29:21

that something's going on. And what

29:23

you described too, which which is

29:25

really interesting, the skipping part. because

29:27

this is also something mentioned by

29:29

Bob Lazar. And you had an

29:31

opportunity to meet Bob. Yeah. Did

29:33

you bring this up to him?

29:35

I did. I met Bob and

29:37

for people who are not aware,

29:40

Bob is, he claims that he

29:42

worked on a secret project in

29:44

Area 51 in a place called

29:46

S4 in a secret base. and

29:48

he worked on trying to back

29:50

engineer an object that is not

29:52

from this world. That's what, that's

29:54

what, that's his claim. And I've

29:56

talked to him, I don't have

29:58

any certainty, but I believe that

30:01

he believes that he tells me

30:03

the truth. That's what I believe.

30:05

Same as Louis Lizando, you know,

30:07

I'm not perfect, I've been full

30:09

before, but... When I talk to

30:11

them, I trust them that what

30:13

they're saying to me is what

30:15

they believe to be true. You

30:17

got a good read? Yes, and

30:20

Bob was explaining to me then,

30:22

and he used to describe these

30:24

flying disk a long time ago,

30:26

like more than, like maybe almost

30:28

40 years, it's been like when

30:30

he came out, yeah, 30, yeah,

30:32

35, like, almost 40 years. And

30:34

the way he used to describe

30:36

them if I... If I may,

30:38

let's say it's a disc. It

30:41

was describing them when they fly

30:43

locally, they go like this, but

30:45

when they have to whatever return

30:47

from where they point their belly,

30:49

and the reason why they skip

30:51

is because of the distortion and

30:53

space and time. So that's from

30:55

our perspective, we've seen the object

30:57

skipping, but from maybe perhaps their

31:00

perspective inside, they don't skip, maybe

31:02

they go. So I don't know

31:04

because I never experienced it being

31:06

inside these things, but that's how

31:08

we explain it. And I found

31:10

it fascinating. Then when I talked

31:12

to him, he explained that to

31:14

me. And it made more sense.

31:16

And I always been very curious

31:18

about also consciousness. What is consciousness?

31:21

Because we cannot even defy what

31:23

is consciousness. Really just people will

31:25

say, oh, it's your soul. scientists

31:27

who are atheists will say, oh,

31:29

it's the chemistry of your brain,

31:31

you know, and the argument that

31:33

will be like, oh, you say

31:35

you're a good or a bad

31:37

person, but let's say you get

31:40

in, you know, you get in

31:42

a car crash, boom, and you

31:44

wake up from a coma, maybe

31:46

you won't be the same person

31:48

anymore. So that's their argument. They

31:50

say, oh, that because your brain,

31:52

the chemistry of your brain is

31:54

affected, so we're, we're all... There's

31:56

no soul. It's only matter. It's

31:58

only material and That's one

32:01

of the questions that keeps

32:03

me up at night. Are we,

32:05

you know, do we have sort

32:07

of a soul or are we

32:09

only material? Are we more than

32:12

our physical body? And one

32:14

guy that made me change my

32:16

mind on it is a friend

32:18

of mine is Lex Friedman. Yeah,

32:21

he had a podcast. And

32:23

he works in AI robotic

32:25

robotic. One day I asked him,

32:27

I said, because I used to believe

32:29

about determinism. I thought

32:32

that there's no, I used to think

32:34

that there's no such thing as

32:36

free will, that everything is, you

32:38

know, come from a cause, the

32:40

causality. We have the illusion

32:42

of free will, but everything

32:44

is predetermined. And by definition, if

32:47

there's a cause, there's no free

32:49

will, because a free will is

32:51

something you do spontaneously,

32:53

spontaneously without cause.

32:55

So ask Lex because if someone

32:58

knows it's him he works with robot and you

33:00

know and ask him I say hey Do you

33:02

believe in free will or determinism? He

33:04

said and he said something to me

33:06

that that changed my way of thinking

33:09

because he's so smart and educated You

33:11

know when you talk to guys like

33:13

like like like like him or you know

33:15

even Elon Musk had a chance to talk

33:17

to him as like these guys that

33:19

make they make they make me think

33:21

for freaking months and years after I

33:24

have to process what they tell me

33:26

And he says, George, we don't even

33:28

know what is consciousness. Therefore, we

33:30

cannot know if there is free

33:32

will or determinism or

33:35

a boat. We don't know. So

33:37

even him, he doesn't, you know,

33:39

that's the right answer. That's a

33:41

right answer. You know what I

33:43

mean? When you don't until you

33:46

don't know, you have to remain

33:48

like this. So always been fascinated

33:50

about that. And that's why

33:52

during COVID after I

33:54

retired, I... I decided

33:56

to go on a journey. I

33:59

decided... to do Iowa and

34:01

I never talked about it because

34:03

as an athlete I was always

34:05

anti anti drugs anti because I

34:07

for me in martial arts one

34:10

of the value is respect and

34:12

and you know if you're respectful

34:14

you're gonna fight fear you're not

34:16

going to use performance enhancing drugs

34:18

so I never wanted to use

34:20

drug I waited after I waited

34:22

after I retired after I to

34:25

do that experience but I always

34:27

wanted to do it because I

34:29

always I'm very curious about consciousness.

34:31

You know we all have dreams

34:33

sometimes that we can remember but

34:35

what does it mean because we're

34:37

sleeping and we have dreams that

34:40

seem so real so what it

34:42

is like is it the only

34:44

imagination material from our brain that

34:46

circuitry or it's really there's really

34:48

something so I decided to do

34:50

an adventure iowaska iowaska is a

34:53

is a psychedelic, very strong psychedelic.

34:55

Extremely strong, yeah. And I never

34:57

take drug and ever snore cocaine

34:59

or did anything else. I have

35:01

tried marijuana before, but it's not

35:03

really my thing. It makes me

35:05

paranoid. I have drink, but I

35:08

never did that. So I start

35:10

from zero to 100 kilometer per

35:12

hour, and I got in touch

35:14

with this guy because for a

35:16

reason I'm not allowed to say

35:18

who it is and where it

35:20

is and where it is. So

35:23

one night I decided to do

35:25

that and Because of my name

35:27

I don't want to be you

35:29

know when I did it I

35:31

was kind of scared I I

35:33

decided to bring a friend of

35:36

mine was Was my bodyguard his

35:38

name is Eddie. He's a friend

35:40

of mine and I decided to

35:42

bring him with me Alone just

35:44

in case something happened because people

35:46

will laugh at it but I'm

35:48

afraid I never done drug before

35:51

so he said I told him

35:53

to say if something happened bring

35:55

me to the hospital right away.

35:57

Best thing to do probably. Yeah

35:59

so I was I was I

36:01

was alone when I did it.

36:03

I was with him and the

36:06

shaman and one of his apprentice

36:08

and I had a friend with

36:10

me that I've done Iowa school

36:12

before that did it with me.

36:14

That's it. Because normally when you

36:16

do that you have a room

36:19

with maybe six, eight people but

36:21

I didn't want to do because

36:23

I wanted to be private. So

36:25

when I when I first started

36:27

I took it's a cup and

36:29

it's made of I think it's

36:31

made of a leaf and it's

36:34

a mixture of natural ingredients that

36:36

come from the Amazon and had

36:38

been boiled. So you take it

36:40

and what I did is I

36:42

took it and I lay down

36:44

on a mat and I'm in

36:46

the basement of a house and

36:49

I didn't do it in South

36:51

America, I did it here. So

36:53

when I, when I, when it

36:55

started, after a few minutes. I

36:59

start leaving my body, I start

37:01

levitating and going towards the ceiling,

37:03

and when that happens, I felt

37:05

like I sort of lost control,

37:07

so I kind of resisted, and

37:09

I came back into myself, and

37:11

for the next, maybe 20, 30

37:13

minutes, nothing happened. And now I

37:15

start thinking, I was like, shit,

37:17

I might have ruined my entire

37:19

adventure, and it made me sad

37:22

a little bit. Then the shaman

37:24

came to see me, he's like,

37:26

are you okay George? I'm like,

37:28

yeah, I explained to him like,

37:30

yeah, I resisted, I left my

37:32

body, but I kind of resisted

37:34

because I didn't like the sensation

37:36

of losing control. And you look

37:38

at me, it's like, George, you

37:40

have to let yourself go. And

37:42

for me, it's hard, it's something

37:44

I never done. You know, I

37:46

always like to be in control

37:49

because, you know, where my background

37:51

in mixed martial art, you have

37:53

to be in control in control

37:55

in control, in control, in control,

37:57

in control, in control, in control,

37:59

in control, in control, in control,

38:01

in control, in, in, in, in,

38:03

But now I have to let

38:05

go to rely. on something that

38:07

I never you know I never

38:09

done and let it go so

38:11

he says to me is I

38:13

let it go I'm like okay

38:16

it's like can I take some

38:18

more is that you can take

38:20

more as long as you feel

38:22

good and I see that you're

38:24

good I'm like all right so

38:26

I take another cut another cup

38:28

and I lay down again and

38:30

then I left the I'm not

38:32

leaving my body going up like

38:34

this, I'm leaving it, going up

38:36

like this, looking down. You're seeing

38:38

yourself? Yeah. I'm seeing myself, but

38:40

I'm seeing myself and I'm seeing

38:43

myself and I'm still aware that

38:45

I'm in the bed. It's like

38:47

I'm in two places in the

38:49

same time and I'm not alone.

38:52

There's something that sort of

38:54

lift me up and Can

38:56

I use I'm gonna draw

38:58

it to you so you

39:00

can? So this thing that?

39:03

That I see? Appears to

39:05

me under this this shape

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40:31

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40:33

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40:35

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40:40

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40:47

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40:49

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40:51

everything he was thinking I was receiving

40:54

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40:56

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40:58

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41:01

going up I see myself I even

41:03

see my friend he was texting someone

41:05

and I told him I'm like I

41:08

know you were after the adventure I

41:10

told him I said you were texting

41:12

this person he said how did you

41:15

know I said I went over your

41:17

shoulder man I saw it and and

41:19

and I'm lifting I'm lifting I'm lifting

41:22

And I go through the ceiling, I

41:24

see the house, and I'm like, and

41:26

to the opposite of what happened a

41:28

few minutes before, the first time when

41:31

I didn't want to lose control, now

41:33

I feel very confident because this thing

41:35

is carrying me and I feel like

41:38

the best feeling in the world, like

41:40

safe, love, successful, confident, like I feel

41:42

like the, I'm in the up top

41:45

emotionally, like I feel like I feel

41:47

like I feel like I'm up top

41:49

emotionally, like I feel like I feel

41:52

like I feel like I feel like

41:54

I'm Like the best feeling in the

41:56

world not not physically like high like

41:59

like but mentally like man feel like

42:01

in perfect harmony and as I'm going

42:03

up, I'm like, who are you? You

42:05

know, who are you? And it says,

42:08

I'm you and everybody in the same

42:10

time and the air you breed and

42:12

the water you drink. So it's, and

42:15

it didn't say that it, it, it,

42:17

to my mind. And as I'm going

42:19

up, I see, I see, the, the,

42:22

you know, the planet. Then it's, it,

42:24

it made me understand that it, that

42:26

it, it says to me, like, like,

42:29

like, I know why you're here, you're

42:31

curious to know about what is consciousness,

42:33

and I'm gonna show it to you,

42:36

you know, I'm gonna show you what

42:38

is consciousness. And then I see the

42:40

map, the planet, the solar system, it's

42:43

like I'm going out, like I zoom

42:45

out, you know, from where I was,

42:47

and I see the entire thing, I

42:49

see the galaxies, the universe, the different

42:52

universe, the different dimensions, to the point

42:54

to the point that at one point

42:56

I'm like... I

42:59

can explain. It's too much. It's

43:01

too much. I can't take it

43:03

anymore. It's like, like, please, I

43:05

don't want to know more. I

43:08

just can't take it. And it

43:10

was very weird. I'm the one

43:12

who sort of tell him. And

43:14

the whole time this thing is

43:17

with me sort of guiding me.

43:19

And I'm like, because I'm in

43:21

a great arm, I'm in a

43:23

feeling of harmony and I'm telling

43:26

it. I'm like. Is it only

43:28

for this adventure? Will you leave

43:30

me after this? Or is like,

43:32

no, I'm gonna be always with

43:35

you. And when things doesn't go

43:37

well, close your eyes and remember

43:39

me, I was always gonna be

43:41

there even after this adventure ends,

43:44

I'm always there with you. And

43:46

I'm like, okay, and then it

43:48

sort of says to me, it's

43:51

like now that you, you, you,

43:53

you found, you know what you

43:55

came for. I would like to

43:57

I would like to share something

44:00

with you. There is a lot

44:02

of time that you do things

44:04

that you don't realize that you

44:06

hurt people and I'm like okay

44:09

and it's like I'm gonna show

44:11

you things but after after you've

44:13

seen it you it's up to

44:15

you to make the effort to

44:18

change because I cannot make the

44:20

effort for you you have to

44:22

make the effort if you want

44:24

to change and become better I'm

44:27

like okay and then it's start

44:29

going into some of my pass

44:31

on my memory but not like

44:33

memory like Like I was reliving

44:36

certain memory that I push so

44:38

deep inside of me like I

44:40

didn't want to remember and stuff

44:42

from my childhood so stuff that

44:45

are so personal that even I

44:47

cannot talk about but stuff also

44:49

that that stuff that I've done

44:52

certain things that I've done to

44:54

people like like like stuff that

44:56

have been done to me but

44:58

also stuff that I've said I've

45:01

said have said I've said I've

45:03

said I've done. that I didn't

45:05

realize at that time how much

45:07

I hurt certain people and I

45:10

didn't mean to hurt them but

45:12

it made me this thing made

45:14

me sort of go through the

45:16

perspective of the person that I

45:19

was hurting and live the emotion

45:21

of that person live when I

45:23

did that and and I

45:26

left it and I know I

45:28

understand. And I'm like, shit, I

45:30

really heard that person, you know,

45:32

when I did this and like

45:34

a mirror, like if I would

45:36

have done it to myself. And

45:38

I felt the emotion running through.

45:40

And now I realize, I'm like,

45:42

shit, I feel bad, I've done

45:44

this and I didn't even realize

45:47

that I hurt. I heard that

45:49

person. And you're so caught up

45:51

with... what you do, you know,

45:53

you only focus on, you know,

45:55

for me when I was young,

45:57

the most important thing was, you

45:59

know, to be the strongest man

46:01

in the world and all my...

46:03

All my focus was on that,

46:05

everything I did was about to

46:07

be to be champion, you know,

46:10

and that's what it was. You

46:12

know, the other thing around, I

46:14

was seeing it, not only as

46:16

a distraction, because I had great,

46:18

great times, you know, a lot

46:20

of the people I've met, I

46:22

really generally loved those certain people

46:24

and I love them, but they,

46:26

because my focus was not on

46:28

prioritizing them. and more prioritizing my

46:30

goal, I heard them in the

46:32

process and I did not realize

46:35

that. And this adventure made me

46:37

realize that. And man, it was

46:39

crazy. And a lot of things,

46:41

that's just one example, but a

46:43

lot of things like this, I

46:45

relive through my mind. It made

46:47

me realize that sometimes I've said

46:49

stuff to, in other situations, to

46:51

other people, and I heard people

46:53

and I heard them. It made

46:55

me very sensitive about stuff that

46:58

I've done. And I was like,

47:00

shit, I really did that. I

47:02

didn't realize at the time how

47:04

I heard, how much I hurt

47:06

certain people. And now I do.

47:08

And even after my adventure was

47:10

done, I call certain people. and

47:12

I apologize to them as I

47:14

sorry I know I did this

47:16

I did that a man I

47:18

did it you know like certain

47:21

people that I noticed that I

47:23

heard and they I thought they

47:25

would have found it weird that

47:27

I called them but a lot

47:29

of them they were like oh

47:31

I they're like oh thank you

47:33

very much I mean you come

47:35

a long way and I appreciate

47:37

you you you realize and I'm

47:39

means a lot and it sort

47:41

of made peace I made peace

47:44

with it and it feels great

47:46

and um That was one part

47:48

of the inventory and at the

47:50

end because it lasts about four

47:52

hours You know, it's it's a

47:54

strong drugs. They call it medicine,

47:56

but it's really a drug. Yeah,

47:58

and Towards the end, this thing

48:00

again, I always pointed out because

48:02

I want people to see. It

48:04

says to me, it's like now

48:06

George, I know you hold a

48:09

lot of grudge, a lot of

48:11

anger, you know, you grew up

48:13

with a lot of anger and

48:15

you didn't let it out. It

48:17

served you for what you did

48:19

for your fighting, but now you

48:21

have to learn how to let

48:23

it go. And when I did

48:25

this adventure, I was always contemplating.

48:28

an opportunity maybe to make a comeback

48:30

or... Because I still had that thing

48:33

inside of me. So it says to

48:35

me, it's like, now you're gonna have

48:37

to do like a detox and it

48:39

will manifest physically. And I'm like, okay,

48:42

like you have to release all the

48:44

negative emotion and it will manifest physically.

48:46

Are you ready? I'm like, yes, I'm

48:48

ready. And it says, like, if you

48:50

need my help, I always always be

48:53

there. So I said, okay, and I'm

48:55

ready. And then I went to the

48:57

bathroom, and that day, before you do

48:59

Ayawaska, they advise you to not eat,

49:01

to not eat anything. You know, if

49:04

you eat very light, and I didn't

49:06

eat that day, I fasted. So I

49:08

go on the bathroom, because I start

49:10

feeling a little bit sort of sick,

49:13

and I have a bucket. early on

49:15

in my adventure I add the hot

49:17

top in terms of emotion I felt

49:19

very good but now my friend I

49:21

dive down deep to the point that

49:24

I have nothing to live for like

49:26

and I'm a very happy person in

49:28

life and and but now man like

49:30

nothing to live for like basically I

49:32

want to die and I start having

49:35

very negative thought and it manifests physically

49:37

It comes out, I'm on the bathroom,

49:39

in the liquid, it comes out crying,

49:41

like, like, like, like. depress you know

49:43

like to the point like it's insane

49:46

and chewing up so and I'm sweating

49:48

like I'm in a son of like

49:50

like like down cry everything everything comes

49:52

out and at to the point that

49:55

I can no longer take it and

49:57

now I'm thinking about this thing I'm

49:59

like please I can't take it I

50:01

can't take it and it comes back

50:03

to me lift me up like a

50:06

little bit like I'm drowning and I

50:08

cannot breathe and they lift me up

50:10

like Take a break, take a break,

50:12

take a break, but we have to

50:14

dive back into it. George, you have

50:17

to, you have to let it go,

50:19

let it go, like you have to

50:21

clean it up. I'm like, okay, I'm

50:23

ready, I'm ready, I can go back

50:26

and then I cry and then when

50:28

I can no longer take it up,

50:30

it comes back up, okay, take a

50:32

break, but we have to go back,

50:34

it's almost done, I'm okay, okay, I'm

50:37

doing it, okay, I'm doing it, I'm

50:39

doing it, I'm doing it, I'm doing

50:41

it again, I'm doing it again, I'm

50:43

doing it again, I'm going, I'm doing

50:45

it again, I'm going, I'm doing it,

50:48

I'm doing it, I'm going, I'm doing

50:50

it, I'm doing it, I'm going, I'm

50:52

doing it, I'm doing it, I'm going,

50:54

I'm doing it, I'm going, I'm doing

50:57

it, I'm going, I'm And even my

50:59

friend, who was outside, he knocked at

51:01

the, in the bathroom, and the whole

51:03

time I was conscious that I wasn't

51:05

too placed in the same time I

51:08

was on the toilet, but I was

51:10

also somewhere else, like, doing like a

51:12

purge. And he knocked at the, the

51:14

bathroom, he's like, Georgia, okay? I'm alright,

51:16

man, I'm alright, thank you, thank you.

51:19

Things go well, I just need to

51:21

let it go. He's like, okay, if

51:23

something happened, let me know, let me

51:25

know, let me know. Let me know,

51:27

let me know, let me know, let

51:30

me know, let me know, let me

51:32

know, let me know, let me know,

51:34

let me know, let me know, let

51:36

me know, let me know, let me

51:39

know, let me know, let me know,

51:41

let me know, let me know, let

51:43

me know, let me know, let me

51:45

know, let me know, let me know,

51:47

we, we, we, we, we, we, we,

51:50

So I was able to talk to

51:52

talk and during that adventure to the

51:54

point that I went when it was

51:56

done. I took a shower, I changed

51:58

my clothes. Man, I felt so light.

52:01

It was just like a relief. It

52:03

felt so good physically and mentally. And

52:05

I have no evidence. to prove you

52:07

that yes I really did lift my

52:10

body I went somewhere outside that the

52:12

experience that I live in my mind?

52:14

Maybe I really did it, or maybe

52:16

I was so freaking high that I

52:18

think that I did it. I think

52:21

I went to people's head and I

52:23

had like a mirror emotion experience. I

52:25

made it all up because I thought

52:27

I can't tell you. But I'm under,

52:29

after living the adventure that I lived,

52:32

I'm under the impression that... a strong

52:34

impression that there is something to consciousness

52:36

that is not only measured by materialism.

52:38

Now I used to be septic, like

52:40

I do you say agnostic, agnostic, but

52:43

now I lean more towards a believer.

52:45

Like a scep or more. No, no,

52:47

I'm really... I'm very

52:49

convinced that there is something. And

52:52

a lot of my friends that

52:54

are eight years that I told

52:56

them that they say, oh, you

52:58

were just so fucking high, you

53:00

know, like, yeah, maybe I was,

53:02

but it shaped me to my

53:04

core so much that I think

53:06

there is something, you know. And

53:09

I think it's a beautiful experience.

53:11

I don't encourage people to take

53:13

it because it's a drug and

53:15

I did it once and and...

53:17

I don't have the desire to

53:19

do it again, because I love

53:21

my brain and I don't want

53:23

to damage it, but I'm happy

53:26

I've done it. I'm very happy

53:28

I've done it, because it's an

53:30

experience that changes my life. Wow,

53:32

George, thank you for sharing that.

53:34

No, it's something that I never

53:36

talked publicly about it, but it's

53:38

something that really changes me, and

53:40

I'm very happy I've done it.

53:43

It's crazy. It's crazy. You have

53:45

to listen to yourself. Don't force

53:47

yourself. If you force yourself, it's

53:49

not going to be good. You

53:51

need to do it because if

53:53

you're ready to do it, you

53:55

want to let it go and

53:58

you have to treat that with

54:00

respect. You know, it's a, I

54:02

know it was used heavily by

54:04

ancient culture in a

54:06

way to perhaps communicating

54:08

with something or to

54:10

get deep inside your

54:13

own consciousness, but it's

54:15

really something that you need

54:17

to treat with respect.

54:19

And it's not a

54:22

recreational drug. It is

54:24

absolutely not. And it's

54:26

an experience I've done.

54:28

I'm very happy I've done it.

54:30

And yeah, it changes me. That

54:33

is really, really profound.

54:35

That sounds like, you know, a

54:37

lot of people, we talked a little

54:39

bit before this podcast about,

54:41

you know, my experience

54:44

when I did DMT, and I had

54:46

a lot of people say, you know,

54:48

you should, after my out

54:50

of body experiences, and I

54:52

had like half a dozen of

54:54

these where I'd leave my body

54:56

through meditation. And you know, a lot

54:59

of people were like, you should do

55:01

I wask or you should do DMT.

55:03

And so I did DMT, albeit my

55:05

experience was nowhere near as like profound

55:08

as yours. There was the same element

55:10

of phasing out of your body and

55:12

kind of like lifting out. And

55:14

I felt a very familiar sense

55:17

to that. And so for me,

55:19

it was very validating because like

55:21

you, through my experiences, I was

55:23

changed. I was also, I grew up

55:25

Catholic. I grew up Catholic. I

55:27

became atheist, moved towards agnosticism

55:30

because I started being like, I

55:32

don't care. There's some, I don't

55:34

know, maybe there's some, maybe there

55:36

isn't, I don't know. And then

55:38

through these experiences of

55:40

seeing my own self, I'm convinced

55:43

that I'm more than my physical

55:45

body. Yeah. And like you said,

55:47

like there's no hard evidence anywhere,

55:49

but the hardest evidence, I like,

55:51

I don't need. I just, there's a

55:53

knowing now that I can't ignore. One

55:55

thing that is very

55:58

important to mention is... Because

56:00

of that, for me, it was

56:02

very important that I was like,

56:04

let's say you put a straw

56:07

in a glass of water, you

56:09

see the straw bending. So your

56:11

senses can fool you. If they

56:13

can fool you once, they can

56:15

fool you twice or forever. So

56:17

because of that, for me, it

56:19

was very important that. I was

56:22

like, how do I know this

56:24

experience is real after when I'm

56:26

done? So I asked this thing.

56:28

I asked it, I asked it,

56:30

I said, how would I know?

56:32

And it says to me, I

56:34

will give you a gift that

56:37

only you will know. And I

56:39

didn't realize what it was, the

56:41

gift. But now I know. I

56:43

used to be scared of height,

56:45

like crazy scared of height. I've

56:47

done stuff in my life that

56:49

require me to... step over my

56:52

fear to challenge my fear like

56:54

skydiving or you know even in

56:56

when I was in Singapore I

56:58

did some Climbing under a bridge.

57:00

I was terrified. I'm always been

57:02

terrified of height. I know when

57:04

I changed that you know when

57:07

the leaf in your when in

57:10

spring when you have to go

57:12

on top of your house for

57:14

the gutters. The gutters clean the

57:16

leaf. I'm terrified of doing it.

57:18

I'm freaking hated. I'm like, I

57:20

feel the feeling like I'm about

57:22

to fall like even when I

57:24

go up in a building. I

57:26

look down, I feel like it

57:28

shakes me to my core. But

57:31

now, I know since my experience,

57:33

I don't have that feeling anymore.

57:35

Yeah, I swear it's true. If

57:37

you eat. So that's like a

57:39

personal. Yeah, it's crazy, like a

57:41

personal confirmation that what I live

57:43

is real. So there's an argument

57:45

to counter that, they would say,

57:47

oh, the drug you took, maybe

57:49

break your brain, break that part

57:51

of your brain that gives you

57:54

the fear. Maybe it's the drug

57:56

that then it might maybe, or

57:58

maybe it's really this thing that

58:00

gave me it. I don't know.

58:02

But I know for a fact

58:04

now, when I go on. for

58:06

example in height, I'm aware of

58:08

the danger, but I'm not paralyzed

58:10

and stiff. I'm not like I

58:12

used to be before. I'm more

58:15

comfortable. But I'm aware it's dangerous,

58:17

but I'm not. Yeah. You know

58:19

what I mean? We say in

58:21

French on sufijé, you know, like

58:23

I'm frozen. Frozen, yeah. And this

58:25

is something that sort of, for

58:27

me, for me, that's sort of,

58:29

for me, for me, that's a

58:31

confirmation. that it's deeper not only

58:33

my senses I've seen something I

58:36

hear something because this could fool

58:38

you sometime you know and it's

58:40

almost like I knew that I'm

58:42

gonna give you something because I

58:44

know you're so skeptical yeah because

58:46

I asked the question I said

58:48

how would I know if it's

58:50

real and it sort of made

58:52

me understand like that's you will

58:54

have a gift and I didn't

58:56

realize what was the gift and

58:59

now I know that's the gift

59:01

That's interesting. Or maybe I'm completely

59:03

insane, I made it all up

59:05

in my mind, who knows? You

59:07

know what I mean? Yeah, definitely.

59:09

You know, that's the counter argument,

59:11

but I also counter-argue that with,

59:13

you know, why do we associate

59:15

the physical with the real? Right?

59:17

What if this isn't real? And

59:20

what if everything else is? Because

59:22

that seems to be the trend.

59:24

It seems to be like if

59:26

we're looking at interdimensional you know

59:28

beings or even the existence the

59:30

non-existence of space time like the

59:32

way these things operate is like

59:34

behaves differently when we sleep time

59:36

behaves differently when our brain shuts

59:38

down it's like it seems like

59:41

this astral or this whatever this

59:43

space is might be the real

59:45

and like you know much like

59:47

the simulation theory and I don't

59:49

like that word because it makes

59:51

makes us feel like a video

59:53

game yeah I don't think that's

59:55

at all it but this is

59:57

some type of lower density 3D

59:59

avatar that we're sort of learning

1:00:01

lessons through so the way that

1:00:04

I always see this is that

1:00:06

that's That's the reality. This other

1:00:08

place is the reality. And there

1:00:10

you have instant manifestation. You can

1:00:12

manifest anything. You can go anywhere.

1:00:14

Anything just happens instantly. It's so

1:00:16

easy. But when you do that,

1:00:18

you don't learn anything because everything's

1:00:20

too easy. You have it all.

1:00:22

So we're put here. into these,

1:00:25

you know, 3D, into this 3D

1:00:27

reality and everything's hard and slow

1:00:29

and we move like through molasses

1:00:31

here and if we want to

1:00:33

manifest something it takes years or

1:00:35

months and we have to think

1:00:37

of it and we have to

1:00:39

really like and move things to

1:00:41

make it happen. So it's like

1:00:43

a slow motion version of what's

1:00:46

really going on but this is

1:00:48

the only way that we can

1:00:50

learn hardship and we can learn

1:00:52

lessons that we take back to

1:00:54

the reality, right? So when people

1:00:56

say, you know, is it real?

1:00:58

Is it not real? I think

1:01:00

what we're asking, like, is it

1:01:02

physical or non-physical? And I don't

1:01:04

think non-physical means it's not real.

1:01:06

I think there are different reals.

1:01:09

What I get from my Iowa

1:01:11

Scout venture also is the fact

1:01:13

that I'm under the impression. And

1:01:15

that's only me. That consciousness is

1:01:17

something that linked everything together. That

1:01:19

we're all ones. in the same

1:01:21

time that we're all different. Yeah.

1:01:23

You know, in a materialistic world,

1:01:25

we'll say like, let's say I

1:01:27

die, you bury me naked underneath

1:01:30

the soil. I will stop existing

1:01:32

as an entity walking around, but

1:01:34

I will not end. I will

1:01:36

be transformed. The worms will eat

1:01:38

me. Perhaps the... the grass

1:01:40

on top of me, the

1:01:42

herbs will grow faster because

1:01:44

the organic material, so I

1:01:46

will move from that state

1:01:48

of walking around to another state

1:01:51

of different things. And I'm under

1:01:53

the impression that that's what

1:01:55

consciousness is about. And it

1:01:57

made me... It gives me

1:01:59

also the impression that, you

1:02:01

know, when someone died, we're

1:02:03

all very sad, you know, when

1:02:06

it's normal, we're sad, but

1:02:08

it gives me the impression

1:02:10

that there's something that, you

1:02:12

know, that person died, that

1:02:14

became part of something else,

1:02:16

that one day will join, will

1:02:18

join it as well, to

1:02:20

be part of that thing,

1:02:22

and we're all sort of

1:02:24

together. I don't know how

1:02:26

to explain. It's a freaking

1:02:28

profound experience, and... They

1:02:31

say, you know, we saw a

1:02:34

certain clip online, like Rick James,

1:02:36

he says, hey, cocaine is a

1:02:38

hell of a drug, but like

1:02:41

Iowasko is a hell of a

1:02:43

drug, too. So I don't know

1:02:45

what to make of it. Yeah,

1:02:47

they should have, yeah, they should

1:02:50

definitely make that a, make that

1:02:52

a, make that a, instead. Yeah,

1:02:54

I mean, that's, I mean, that's.

1:02:57

That seems to be on par

1:02:59

with a lot of beliefs and

1:03:01

that's the thing. It's like, this

1:03:04

isn't, the one thing that I

1:03:06

keep understanding is that none of

1:03:08

this is new, right? And that's

1:03:10

the feeling that I got when

1:03:13

I was sort of leaving my

1:03:15

body as well. The very, I

1:03:17

started vibrating before it happened, right?

1:03:20

I started getting, and I thought,

1:03:22

I, and I documented this, I

1:03:24

thought there was a truck on

1:03:27

the property. And I was like,

1:03:29

like, a vibration in me and

1:03:31

it wasn't physical but it felt

1:03:33

physical and when that was happening

1:03:36

like it was just so strange

1:03:38

and the feeling that I got

1:03:40

the overwhelming like the only way

1:03:43

that I can explain it is

1:03:45

this is ancient that's it whatever's

1:03:47

happening to me right now I

1:03:50

felt tied me connected me to

1:03:52

thousands of years of humans that

1:03:54

this specific moment right now you

1:03:57

know links me to them not

1:03:59

not not Me researching something not

1:04:01

something I'm eating. not the air,

1:04:03

not nothing this feeling, this is

1:04:06

a very human feeling. And this

1:04:08

is something that links me to

1:04:10

all of that. Like we all

1:04:13

have differences over time and knowledge

1:04:15

and intelligence experience, but this we

1:04:17

have in common. And that was

1:04:20

a really powerful sensation to feel

1:04:22

that because it felt true. It

1:04:24

felt like, hey, this is true,

1:04:26

this is real. And I even

1:04:29

told you before the interview, before

1:04:31

the podcast, that I would be

1:04:33

very interested. to go back into

1:04:36

that state, but I'm no longer

1:04:38

interested to do it using drugs

1:04:40

to get there. I feel it's

1:04:43

sort of a shortcut. And sometimes

1:04:45

with shortcut, I feel sometimes it's

1:04:47

like giving a gun to a

1:04:49

child, you know, or he doesn't

1:04:52

have the... The

1:04:54

the wisdom to use it and

1:04:56

and maybe I did I wasca,

1:04:58

but I didn't have the the

1:05:01

wisdom I didn't work together I

1:05:03

just took something and I get

1:05:05

there I Cheated you know what

1:05:07

I mean, and I feel I

1:05:10

did it once it was okay,

1:05:12

but I'm very interested if it's

1:05:14

if there's a way because I

1:05:17

heard monks get there because your

1:05:19

brain produced the empty if there's

1:05:21

a way to get there naturally

1:05:23

I would really love to learn

1:05:26

it. And I know you're going

1:05:28

down that rabbit hole and I'm

1:05:30

really interesting to learn these. When

1:05:32

I was young, when I was

1:05:35

a kid, I used to have

1:05:37

experience called sleep paralysis. And that's

1:05:39

how they called it, you know,

1:05:42

I don't know if it's what

1:05:44

it is. And that's one of

1:05:46

the reasons why I first started

1:05:48

getting interested by UFO, you know,

1:05:51

even before I had the encounter

1:05:53

with my forefront that I've seen

1:05:55

something in the... guy it started

1:05:58

way earlier when I was a

1:06:00

kid I used to you know

1:06:02

I used to be in bed

1:06:04

at night and I used to

1:06:07

have nightmares of you know of

1:06:09

things that came and get me

1:06:11

and and I used to tell

1:06:13

my parrot I'm like man I

1:06:16

was scared and for a long

1:06:18

time I was terrified I thought

1:06:20

like something came to get me

1:06:23

and and and I

1:06:25

met, you know, when I met

1:06:27

Joe Rogan and he talked to

1:06:29

me about a phenomenon called sleep

1:06:31

paralysis, he says like, there's a

1:06:33

phenomenon that you're in bed and

1:06:35

you cannot move and your brain

1:06:37

produced the DMT and it started

1:06:39

hallucinating things and that could be

1:06:41

it. And I, but man, it

1:06:43

really... it really traumatized me when

1:06:45

I was young to the point

1:06:47

that even now I'm an adult

1:06:49

sometime and I'm in let's say

1:06:51

I'm in bed and I'm alone

1:06:53

and I start thinking about it

1:06:55

it makes me remember the fear

1:06:57

and it scared me even when

1:06:59

I'm a grown man and I

1:07:01

can't defend myself it traumatized me

1:07:03

to that point. And that's one

1:07:05

of the reasons now I would

1:07:07

be very interesting to learn of

1:07:09

how I could perhaps get back

1:07:12

into that mental state if there's

1:07:14

ways to do it naturally. I

1:07:16

used to be very septic. I

1:07:18

used to learn to hear all

1:07:20

those stories, oh yeah, this, that

1:07:22

they go. I'm like, yeah, right,

1:07:24

right, right. But now that I

1:07:26

did Iowaska, I know it's possible

1:07:28

to do it on drugs. I

1:07:30

would love to know how to

1:07:32

do it naturally, just to perhaps

1:07:34

increase my knowledge and maybe help

1:07:36

me be a better person, you

1:07:38

know? Yeah. And that's probably the

1:07:40

best intention to go into it

1:07:42

with, and that's probably the strongest

1:07:44

intention as well, because when you

1:07:46

rule out. This is just something

1:07:48

in my experience as well and

1:07:50

this has been echoed by a

1:07:52

lot of people who study this

1:07:54

But when you rule out the

1:07:56

ego part of it That's when

1:07:58

things happen, right? If it's not

1:08:00

for monetary gain or it's not

1:08:02

for any other purpose But like

1:08:04

once the ego is out of

1:08:06

the equation, that's what? you're more

1:08:08

receptive. That's when the intention's sort

1:08:10

of pure and it kind of

1:08:12

picks up on that, the phenomenon.

1:08:14

It's an very interesting thing that

1:08:16

you just mentioned, ego. And that's

1:08:18

one of the things at a

1:08:21

hard time to let it go

1:08:23

in the fighting world. Yeah, it's

1:08:25

a very ego-tastic. industry. Everything is

1:08:27

about being the alpha, not being

1:08:29

scared and... Very physical, lower density,

1:08:31

like everything is... Yeah, 100% it's

1:08:33

a lot of bullying and mental

1:08:35

warfare and you never want to

1:08:37

admit that you're scared even though

1:08:39

deep down inside you are. Because

1:08:41

it shows signs of weakness, but

1:08:43

it's not in a way. In

1:08:45

a way admitting that you're scared,

1:08:47

it showcase that you're strong because

1:08:49

you're allowed to talk about your

1:08:51

fear. And if I'm an open

1:08:53

mok and I talk about my

1:08:55

fear... I'm not afraid of you,

1:08:57

you know what I mean? Like,

1:08:59

because I've shown my most vulnerable

1:09:01

part, because I'm not, I'm confident

1:09:03

that I'm better than your strength.

1:09:05

True strength. Yes, yes. So, yeah,

1:09:07

but the ego, letting go of

1:09:09

your ego, that's the ego in

1:09:11

the same time, it's your pride,

1:09:13

and it is what makes you

1:09:15

stand up and being strong towards

1:09:17

adversity, but in the same time.

1:09:19

It's a double-edged sword. Because if

1:09:21

you let it go, we can

1:09:23

make you a better person. It'd

1:09:25

be more open to people, you

1:09:28

know. Yeah. Yeah. And that's something

1:09:30

that you've actually talked about. Like

1:09:32

I remember, I remember hearing that

1:09:34

too, like admitting you're nervous or

1:09:36

admitting that like, yeah, no, I

1:09:38

am going into this fight. You

1:09:40

know, you're not like just everyone

1:09:42

else where they were like, you

1:09:44

know, this is it, I'm going

1:09:46

to, you know, there was a

1:09:48

certain, but that helped you a

1:09:50

more intelligent. fighters well. You know

1:09:52

what happened Chris? I early on

1:09:54

in my career I mean the

1:09:56

way I describe it is we're

1:09:58

not all born with the same

1:10:00

same set of card. you know,

1:10:02

we all have different skills. You

1:10:04

know, if I would have been

1:10:06

born with an endscap, I would

1:10:08

never be able to be champion.

1:10:10

I'm a very athletic person. I've

1:10:12

always been good in sports and

1:10:14

I develop a passion with martial

1:10:16

art early on, watching movies, you

1:10:18

know, Jacques Clovandam and all these

1:10:20

guys, Chuck Norris, they really inspired

1:10:22

me, Steven Segel, Arnold, wasn't a

1:10:24

girl, Steve Astelon, and I was

1:10:26

bullied at school. So I first

1:10:28

started karate. I started with kyokoshan

1:10:30

karate as a self-defense to defend

1:10:32

myself in the schoolyard. And then

1:10:34

it transformed into a passion because

1:10:37

things back then was not well,

1:10:39

things were not going well at

1:10:41

home. My dad at that time

1:10:43

was drinking and things were not

1:10:45

going well at school because I

1:10:47

was getting bullied instead of focusing

1:10:49

on what the teacher was saying

1:10:51

I had to... to try to

1:10:53

think about how I'm going to

1:10:55

reach out my locker, pick up

1:10:57

my book and get to the

1:10:59

bus before the guys get to

1:11:01

me and beat me up. And

1:11:03

that was something that was happening

1:11:05

to me on a weekly basis.

1:11:07

So I was not happy. I

1:11:09

was not good anywhere. I felt

1:11:11

bad everywhere. The only place I

1:11:13

felt good, it was the duieu.

1:11:15

Because I was doing well in

1:11:17

karate. I was starting to collect

1:11:19

metal. And that was the only

1:11:21

place where I feel like, I

1:11:23

mean, I... I'm good here, you

1:11:25

know, I'm doing something well. And

1:11:27

then later on, later on, my

1:11:29

dad did something that really inspired

1:11:31

me and brought back my family

1:11:33

together when he stopped drinking and

1:11:35

it really inspired me. And it

1:11:37

changes my life because I saw

1:11:39

how hard it was to fight

1:11:41

the thirst. And not only that

1:11:44

he stopped drinking, he started to

1:11:46

mentor younger. people that try to

1:11:48

stop drinking. I remember at night

1:11:50

sometimes the phone was ringing at

1:11:52

11 at night and was my

1:11:54

dad picking up the phone it

1:11:56

was maybe a younger... guy it

1:11:58

was like hey man I'm thirsty

1:12:00

and then I'm coming I'm coming

1:12:02

to get you don't and you

1:12:04

love it so it really inspired

1:12:06

me you know because I saw

1:12:08

how hard it was and I

1:12:10

know I realized it only later

1:12:12

when I was an adult not

1:12:14

really at that time it was

1:12:16

like sort of a delay and

1:12:18

it really inspired me but I

1:12:20

remember even early on in my

1:12:22

career we talked about ego and

1:12:24

pride I went when I was

1:12:26

looking around I

1:12:28

never felt, I never fit, I

1:12:30

felt I never fit where I

1:12:33

was. I loved the purity, to

1:12:35

be, I wanted to be champion,

1:12:37

I did it for the right

1:12:39

reason, I didn't want to do

1:12:41

it because I wanted to be

1:12:43

popular with the money because they

1:12:45

didn't have any money and popularity

1:12:47

back then, I just wanted to

1:12:50

be champion, I wanted to be

1:12:52

the best, I did it for

1:12:54

the pure reason. and I was

1:12:56

looking at my training partner in

1:12:58

my environment I didn't fit in

1:13:00

because all the guys I was

1:13:02

with they were like yeah I

1:13:05

can't wait for Saturday night and

1:13:07

I'm like man I'm scared I'm

1:13:09

not happy to be here I'm

1:13:11

happy to be in the gym

1:13:13

to train and to have that

1:13:15

lifestyle and I know if I

1:13:17

want to continue to have that

1:13:19

lifestyle the sacrifice is that I

1:13:22

need to fight Saturday night and

1:13:24

win the fight in order to

1:13:26

do it but I don't enjoy

1:13:28

this process I'm not happy to

1:13:30

to get to have that lifestyle

1:13:32

for free but I'm not happy

1:13:34

to go fight I never like

1:13:37

to fight so I decided to

1:13:39

seek the help of sport psychologists

1:13:41

because man I felt I never

1:13:43

I felt I never I didn't

1:13:45

fit him and some sport psychologists

1:13:47

tried to brainwash me they were

1:13:49

like George stop saying you're afraid

1:13:52

you're not afraid you're excited and

1:13:54

one of them it was like

1:13:56

it was like it's my English

1:13:58

used to be very worse before

1:14:00

and I was thinking Is it

1:14:02

a language barrier excited? I don't

1:14:04

think I'm excited. I would be

1:14:06

excited. and different situations but I'm

1:14:09

not excited to go to know

1:14:11

that I'm gonna fight Sutter the

1:14:13

night not knowing if I will

1:14:15

be badly injured or humiliated I'm

1:14:17

afraid and then I realize that

1:14:19

man I need to make peace

1:14:21

with it and there is no

1:14:24

shame to admit that you're afraid

1:14:26

because there is no courage without

1:14:28

fear and when I made peace

1:14:30

with that it changes everything in

1:14:32

my life because I made peace

1:14:34

and I said it to even

1:14:36

in my open it's like yeah

1:14:39

I'm scared of you're But no

1:14:41

matter what, I'm gonna freak and

1:14:43

walk the walk on Saturday night

1:14:45

and there's nothing you can do.

1:14:47

And the way you counter fear,

1:14:49

whether you're a fighter, an entrepreneur,

1:14:51

or whatever, it's with the preparation.

1:14:53

The more well you prepare, the

1:14:56

more you will build up your

1:14:58

confidence. And if you have confidence,

1:15:00

remember, confidence is not the absence

1:15:02

of fear. It's knowing that you

1:15:04

have what you need. in order

1:15:06

to succeed. A good analogy is,

1:15:08

if I talk to a young

1:15:11

student at school, I'm telling you,

1:15:13

if you have an exam, a

1:15:15

Friday, and you study very hard,

1:15:17

yes, you will still be afraid

1:15:19

Friday, the day of the exam,

1:15:21

but you have the right to

1:15:23

be confident, to walk in there

1:15:25

with confidence, even though you are

1:15:28

afraid. But if you have not

1:15:30

studied, you will be afraid, but

1:15:32

you don't have the right to

1:15:34

be confident because you know you

1:15:36

didn't do the work, you didn't

1:15:38

put in the work. And confidence,

1:15:40

whether you're a fighter, an entrepreneur,

1:15:43

whatever you do, whether even in

1:15:45

any situation, even if you go

1:15:47

ask a girl on a date,

1:15:49

confidence, whatever you do, it's the

1:15:51

most important thing. One of the

1:15:53

most important thing. You need the

1:15:55

skills, the preparation, the preparation, and

1:15:58

the confidence. Because if you don't

1:16:00

have confidence. It's a little bit

1:16:02

like, it's a good analogy and

1:16:04

a good analogy. that my my

1:16:06

my essentially was saying to me

1:16:08

is that if you don't have

1:16:10

confidence is a it's like someone

1:16:12

who has a lot of money

1:16:15

in his bank account but no

1:16:17

way of accessing it right you

1:16:19

can never reach your full potential

1:16:21

and the way you build confidence

1:16:23

is true preparation and when I

1:16:25

made peace with it I remember

1:16:27

when I was young I thought

1:16:30

the fear will go away over

1:16:32

time that I will get used

1:16:34

to it I will no longer

1:16:36

be afraid but that's not true

1:16:38

is the opposite it gets worse

1:16:40

because every fight is bigger than

1:16:42

the last one and it get

1:16:45

worse but I made because I

1:16:47

made peace with it I was

1:16:49

like man I know this is

1:16:51

normal I need to be afraid

1:16:53

because I know when I'm afraid

1:16:55

it hind my reaction time my

1:16:57

reset time it makes me better

1:16:59

so I embrace fear I know

1:17:02

it's a normal thing And if

1:17:04

my opponent is like, you're afraid

1:17:06

of me, I'm like, yeah, man,

1:17:08

I'm afraid of you. But I'm

1:17:10

gonna fucking do it regardless. And

1:17:12

I think, from my perspective, is

1:17:14

way scarier than saying, oh, I'm

1:17:17

not afraid of, like 99% of

1:17:19

the people in my still of

1:17:21

work, like, no, I'm not afraid,

1:17:23

I'm gonna kick it, like, bullshit,

1:17:25

man, you're scared, or you're scared,

1:17:27

or you're a liar, you're a

1:17:29

liar, that's the three possibility. you're

1:17:31

lying or you're a psychopath. You

1:17:34

know what I mean? Or you're

1:17:36

dumb as hell because if you're

1:17:38

not afraid that means you don't

1:17:40

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1:18:12

man. Because you never control the

1:18:14

entire data. When you go into

1:18:16

a fight or you have to

1:18:18

focus on things that you have

1:18:21

the power to control. You don't

1:18:23

want to focus and that's the

1:18:25

hardest thing to do because there's

1:18:27

so many distraction. You don't want

1:18:29

to focus on things you don't

1:18:31

control. For example, what the people

1:18:33

are going to say. I'm not

1:18:36

going to win or lose. What

1:18:38

my opponent is going to do.

1:18:40

This needs to be wiped out

1:18:42

of your mind, only focusing on

1:18:44

things that you do control. Things

1:18:46

that I do. Me, as an

1:18:48

entity, I don't exist. Am I

1:18:51

going to be sick the morning

1:18:53

of the fight? Am I sleeping

1:18:55

well or not? I don't carry

1:18:57

it out of my mind. The

1:18:59

only thing that matters is the

1:19:01

objective. And the objective is the

1:19:03

only thing that matter because that's

1:19:05

what going to lead you to

1:19:08

the path of victory. and this

1:19:10

need to be done at all

1:19:12

costs. That's the spirit, you know,

1:19:14

you need to go in. It's

1:19:16

hard to think about it, but

1:19:18

that's the way it is, like

1:19:20

a soldier. It's objective, no subjective.

1:19:23

But that's such a big contrast

1:19:25

between being there, preparing yourself physically,

1:19:27

mentally for a physical and mental

1:19:29

doubt. On top of that, all

1:19:31

the other... obstacles that are being

1:19:33

thrown your way not only like

1:19:35

health-wise but also like you know

1:19:38

emotionally or personally the things that

1:19:40

you're dealing with or like the

1:19:42

media and all this stuff right

1:19:44

it's a big battle going from

1:19:46

that oh yeah to what happened

1:19:48

after this you know Iowa's good

1:19:50

trip which is completely almost like

1:19:52

180 degree yeah the opposite it's

1:19:55

like it's like it's like okay

1:19:57

you've done that now forget all

1:19:59

that and you're like how do

1:20:01

I forget all that's you know

1:20:03

that's your identity that's everything and

1:20:05

you had to you had to

1:20:07

come to terms with that too

1:20:10

so that must have been just

1:20:12

like I mean I can even

1:20:14

hear you telling the story and

1:20:16

I know that you've it's changed

1:20:18

you like if you were let's

1:20:20

say let's let's put this scenario

1:20:22

if you were to somehow have

1:20:24

a time machine right and go

1:20:27

back into the ring but after

1:20:29

having this experience do you think

1:20:31

that would make you a better

1:20:33

or worse fighter? It's a good

1:20:35

question I think it would make

1:20:37

me worse. I think there's a

1:20:39

chronological way to do it. I

1:20:42

think You don't want to do

1:20:44

this before you finish your career.

1:20:46

Right. And what I'm saying is

1:20:48

only what I, from my, my

1:20:50

fellow expert, my, my expertise, my

1:20:52

experience, but I know that there's

1:20:54

some other professional combat athlete, for

1:20:57

example, Deonti Wilder. mentioned I believe

1:20:59

that he did I was going

1:21:01

to believe that's why his career

1:21:03

went down. He said it publicly

1:21:05

and I can understand why because

1:21:07

that ego thing that we talk

1:21:09

about as a fighter is the

1:21:11

most important thing that's what that's

1:21:14

your that's your spine that's what

1:21:16

holds you up against all the

1:21:18

adversity it's your ego your pride

1:21:20

but in society it

1:21:22

could be an obstacle because you

1:21:24

know sometimes you an ego you

1:21:26

have to let your ego aside

1:21:28

it makes you a put it

1:21:30

point it down it makes you

1:21:32

a better person I believe yeah

1:21:34

and even the people that know

1:21:36

me personally says that when I

1:21:38

did I wasa really changes me

1:21:40

it made me more empathetic more

1:21:42

in touch with the other people.

1:21:44

I'm by no mean perfect. I

1:21:46

have a lot of issues and

1:21:48

I eat to work on myself.

1:21:50

I love that, you know, but

1:21:52

I'm a little bit better than

1:21:54

I used to be. Yeah, and

1:21:56

I can see that as being

1:21:58

a problem too going into the

1:22:00

ring with empathy. You don't. Feeling

1:22:02

bad for hurting your opponent is

1:22:04

not something you want to think

1:22:06

about. You want to be like

1:22:08

a... I mean, I don't like

1:22:10

that. To say it. Yeah, like

1:22:12

an alpha bull, you know, like,

1:22:14

you're here to destroy and kill

1:22:16

everyone. You know, that's how it

1:22:18

is. That's how you need to

1:22:20

be. But you can't stay like

1:22:22

that all your life. And I

1:22:24

believe one of the reason why

1:22:27

a lot of the reason why

1:22:29

a lot of athletes, they should

1:22:31

have retired maybe a decade ago

1:22:33

but they're still out there fighting

1:22:35

I mean it's it's very sad

1:22:37

yeah it's very very sad you

1:22:39

see that happening all the time

1:22:41

and they hurt themselves city oh

1:22:43

city physically they they hurt also

1:22:45

themselves business wise yeah because when

1:22:47

you finish on top for example

1:22:49

for me like yeah one the

1:22:51

best reason the best reason why

1:22:53

I stopped is because I was

1:22:55

my health I wanted to finish

1:22:57

healthy to be to have a

1:22:59

future to be healthy for the

1:23:01

rest of my life. But also

1:23:03

the second reason is business wise

1:23:05

when you finish on top I

1:23:07

compare for example entertainers or athlete

1:23:09

like stock in the market if

1:23:11

you finish on top your stock

1:23:13

worth a lot of money so

1:23:15

there's a lot of opportunity when

1:23:17

you retire and you turn around

1:23:19

a lot of business opportunity opens

1:23:21

to you those opportunity will not

1:23:23

be there if you retire on

1:23:25

a 4 losing street because your

1:23:27

stuck will go down. And it's

1:23:29

something to think about. So a

1:23:31

lot of people, they told me,

1:23:33

yeah, you must have, George, you

1:23:35

should have, keep on fighting, you

1:23:37

left a lot of money on

1:23:39

the table, maybe I left some

1:23:41

money on the table, but I

1:23:43

think I catch it up on

1:23:45

the long run. And on top

1:23:47

of that, I didn't damage my

1:23:49

health, because it's not only the

1:23:51

fight, think about it, you get

1:23:53

ready for a fight. You have

1:23:55

to go into a training camp,

1:23:57

get hit and all that. It's

1:23:59

even worse than... the fight itself

1:24:01

and all the stresses that you

1:24:03

have and for me the stresses

1:24:06

was the most damageable

1:24:08

thing the stress I always been

1:24:10

very open about it like I

1:24:12

was stressed I was scared

1:24:15

and it it took a lot out

1:24:17

of me a lot more than the

1:24:19

physical damage oh yeah yeah 100%

1:24:21

I develop a condition called

1:24:23

ill circleitis I believe

1:24:25

big part because of that

1:24:28

stress and when you know in my

1:24:30

last fight with Michael Bispinger I fought

1:24:32

in the Medicine Square Garden prior to

1:24:34

that fight a few weeks I had

1:24:36

severe cramps and when I went to

1:24:38

batch one it was blood and I

1:24:40

didn't know what it was I was

1:24:42

like man is it a cancer or

1:24:44

anything and I told myself for whatever

1:24:46

it is I'm gonna deal with it

1:24:48

after the fight in a few weeks

1:24:51

so after the fight I did what

1:24:53

they call a colonoscopy They put something

1:24:55

inside of you, they give you some

1:24:57

medication to empty yourself, you know, and

1:24:59

it's something that you don't want to

1:25:01

do before the fight. But they put

1:25:03

a camera and they went to see

1:25:05

inside and I got diagnosed with all

1:25:07

circleitis. All sort of kaleidus, yeah. So

1:25:09

I was on severe, I was on

1:25:11

medication. But I'm not a big fan

1:25:13

of medication. I mean, I always look

1:25:15

for alternates, alternative ways of how I

1:25:17

can get better and I met a

1:25:19

doctor. in Toronto that changes

1:25:21

my life. His name is Jason

1:25:23

Fung, you can research it, Jason

1:25:26

Fung F-U-N-G. He wrote a many

1:25:28

book about fasting and he got

1:25:30

me into a fasting program and

1:25:32

believe it or not, a

1:25:35

few months after all my

1:25:37

symptoms disappeared and I no

1:25:39

longer use medication. Do you

1:25:42

think that that also had

1:25:44

something to do with the fact

1:25:46

that you weren't fighting anymore? It

1:25:48

could be. but both like I

1:25:50

mean it could be but I

1:25:53

add other stresses in my life

1:25:55

it could be that but I

1:25:57

believe that it the fasting really

1:25:59

help me. Yep, I believe in

1:26:02

fasting too by the way because

1:26:04

it gives time to your to

1:26:06

your system to to rejuvenate you

1:26:08

know if you eat all the

1:26:10

time and when I was fighting

1:26:12

Michael Bisping I was on the

1:26:14

diet that I was forcing myself

1:26:16

to eat because I was trying

1:26:18

to put on weight which was

1:26:20

by the way a big mistake

1:26:22

mistake of my part I should

1:26:24

have just stayed the same way

1:26:26

that I am. But I was

1:26:28

trying to put on weight because

1:26:30

I was fighting in a weight

1:26:32

class every year that I normally

1:26:34

compete at. So I was trying to

1:26:36

get bigger. But it was, you

1:26:38

know, it didn't do me any

1:26:40

good because I got sick and

1:26:42

everything. But the fact that I

1:26:44

put a lot of stress, like

1:26:46

mental stress and physical stress, I

1:26:48

think that's what triggered that issue.

1:26:50

And after when I went to fasting,

1:26:53

different fasting protocols, it helped me

1:26:55

get rid of all my symptoms.

1:26:57

I mean, people need to be

1:26:59

aware of the fact that diet

1:27:01

can fix 90% of like the

1:27:03

health issues that are out there

1:27:05

right now. Yeah. Maybe even more.

1:27:07

I made some research and I found

1:27:09

out that, you know, the reason

1:27:11

why we eat three times a

1:27:13

day, and sometimes even some people

1:27:15

eat more than that, like five

1:27:17

times a day, it's since their

1:27:19

industrial revolution. Before that, this did

1:27:21

not exist. Since the industrial revolution,

1:27:23

because of the work, the laws,

1:27:25

they had to make time for eating

1:27:27

for the employees. So if you

1:27:29

go back, this thing did not

1:27:31

really existed. It was since the

1:27:33

industrial revolution. So it's really recent

1:27:35

in our evolution that we are

1:27:37

conditioned to eat at that time.

1:27:39

Think about it. just logically think

1:27:41

about it like our aunt her aunt

1:27:44

her getter and sister they did

1:27:46

not wake up in the morning

1:27:48

and have breakfast in almost of

1:27:50

that time because you need to

1:27:52

work to get your breakfast you

1:27:54

need to You need, you know,

1:27:56

you don't get your breakfast for

1:27:58

free in a fridge. Yeah, so exactly

1:28:00

so the fact that you wait

1:28:02

in the morning And that's what

1:28:04

I do now. I don't get

1:28:06

breakfast in the morning I eat

1:28:08

my eggs and you know my

1:28:10

coffee a little bit later during

1:28:12

the day And after my first

1:28:14

training and I just wish Chris

1:28:16

I would have known that before it

1:28:19

would have It would perhaps not

1:28:21

have caused all the arms that

1:28:23

I did to my body then

1:28:25

again you know you being on

1:28:27

that path is what led you

1:28:29

to this so you might not

1:28:31

have you know that's true it's

1:28:33

like a feedback loop you have to

1:28:35

you have to go through the

1:28:37

hardships to learn to learn all

1:28:39

this stuff but it I mean

1:28:41

it's very very interesting my myself

1:28:43

so I eat mainly paleo diet

1:28:45

I'm I'm like I'm borderline in

1:28:47

katosis most of the time because

1:28:49

of like this paleo diet there's I

1:28:51

don't eat sugar no dairy you

1:28:53

know no pasta it's a strict

1:28:55

like no process food no process

1:28:57

food none interesting yeah just meat

1:28:59

leafy greens and root veggies and

1:29:01

do you think that helps you

1:29:03

oh to get into that mental

1:29:05

meditating state because I've heard that

1:29:07

and correct me if I'm wrong you're

1:29:10

the expert on that like like

1:29:12

apparently you you have to be

1:29:14

centered like you cannot be hungry

1:29:16

or Sad or you know what

1:29:18

I mean? Like horny or you

1:29:20

have to be, right? Yep, it

1:29:22

does help. It does help. And

1:29:24

there's been a lot of studies actually.

1:29:26

There's a guy, Graham Nichols, he

1:29:28

did a lot of research on

1:29:30

this too, how actually not, his

1:29:32

research was not eating meat. how

1:29:34

it induces more sigh ability. So

1:29:36

more sort of the psychic sort

1:29:38

of ability during these out-of-body experiences

1:29:40

and all that stuff that there's been

1:29:43

a correlation between like vegetarians and

1:29:45

vegans having actually more experience. and

1:29:47

more accuracy during these testing. I

1:29:49

tend to think that it's. It

1:29:51

probably isn't the lack of meat.

1:29:53

My, I guess, hypothesis is it's

1:29:55

the lack of process. Chemicals. Correct.

1:29:57

Because there's a lot of chemicals

1:29:59

and veggies as well. They're everywhere. Yeah.

1:30:01

You know, and so it's really,

1:30:03

it's difficult to do a diet

1:30:05

without process nowadays because process is

1:30:07

just so much cheaper and you

1:30:09

know, people, groceries are getting more

1:30:11

expensive and so it's not easy

1:30:13

for everyone to have like a

1:30:15

good diet. You know, it's very strange,

1:30:17

but like you look at like...

1:30:19

okay the poorest parts in the

1:30:21

world yes people are very skinny

1:30:24

because they're malnourished they're not eating

1:30:26

and then you look at like

1:30:28

just above that people have a

1:30:30

little money are completely overweight and

1:30:32

then and then you have a lot

1:30:34

of money you're back in shape

1:30:36

again and so it's like you

1:30:38

know like we really do have

1:30:40

a system where we're offering a

1:30:42

lot of really bad food at

1:30:44

low cost you know and that's

1:30:46

that's been part of the problem

1:30:48

but to your point there is

1:30:50

a certain headspace that you have to

1:30:52

be in, but that headspace I

1:30:54

don't think can come at the

1:30:56

beginning. I think it takes practice

1:30:58

like everything else. Like I don't

1:31:00

think you can go into meditating

1:31:02

your first time ever be centered

1:31:04

and have like an amazing experience.

1:31:06

I think it's just something you have

1:31:09

to keep doing because it's different

1:31:11

for everyone. The feeling, the meditation

1:31:13

itself, calming your mind is very,

1:31:15

it depends where you're at and

1:31:17

what you've eaten really and... and

1:31:19

all this, so it's a journey

1:31:21

that over time, you start to

1:31:23

discover what's good for you and how

1:31:25

you can actually see very clearly

1:31:27

what's going on in your psyche

1:31:29

when you get to that point.

1:31:31

So if I'm in a meditation

1:31:33

and something keeps popping up, something