Karin speaks to comedian and American Exchange podcast host Erich McElroy about the very different goings on in Trump's universe and Biden's universe. In Trump's world, long-shot hearings continue in a certainly futile attempt to overturn the results of the election, while general pardons are being considered for Trumps kids (and possibly Trump himself?). Meanwhile over in Biden's world, preparations have begun for an orderly inauguration and a bunch of highly qualified and competent people have been appointed to Cabinet posts. Plus: We play the Gut Check Game, reacting to some colourful facts and personal anecdotes about some of Biden's Cabinet appointees.