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On this week's episode, we're going

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to discuss open source robotics and

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what the future holds in store

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for us. Could be doom

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for all we know could be doom or

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it could be all good. We're going to talk about

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it. Welcome to destination Linux, where we discuss the game

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on everything. You know, the game itself, like could be

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hot topics, gaming,

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mobile and all things open source

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in Linux. My name

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is Ryan and joining me are my

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half robot, half human host, Michael and

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Jill. Uh,

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so hold on a second. My left arm needs to

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update. He never

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updates Jill. Oh yeah.

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Yeah. Let's see. Okay. He's

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got a Pip boy 3000 on his wrist. Clearly

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right here. Yeah.

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He's got a Dick Tracy watch. It's

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up. It's updated now. Yep. Very

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good. And Jill. Unlike

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Michael, my software is up to date

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and it's all open source. Ooh,

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that was okay. Mine's also open

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source, but it's also, you know,

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not up to date. Michaels

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is based on the Michael AI bot, which

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if you want to contribute to is out

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there on my GitHub now let's get this

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show on the road toward destination Linux.

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All right. So in our community feedback this week,

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Stefan has this to say soon, the 400th

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episode of destination Linux will hit the road

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and I sitting

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in the back seat would like to ask you

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one question. Are we there yet?

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That's there for what is

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Linux there yet? Cause the destination

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is Linux. He's asking, are

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we there yet? Oh, I

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see. I thought maybe it was like Wayland related.

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You know what? I think

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Linux has come. We

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still have to read it. We still have to

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read the ending of this show. But this

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is awesome. I can't wait to 400. We have

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a special treat planned for 400, so

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you don't want to miss that episode. Yeah,

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400's going to be huge. Huge.

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All right. Stefan has

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other things to say, Michael. Quit just hanging up on

4:19

the first paragraph. It's got other stuff to say here,

4:21

right? I mean, you're the one who stopped after the

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first paragraph. Goes

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on to say, anyway, the interview with Artyom Zorin

4:28

in episode 395 was so great. He's

4:32

an incredible personality. When I was 12, computers

4:35

were these magical cryptic machines with strange

4:37

text and boxes on it. And Artyom

4:39

just started his first attempt at building

4:42

his distro for everyone at that age,

4:44

which is quite amazing. That

4:46

was a fantastic interview. Artyom,

4:48

amazing. Really appreciate you coming on. Such a great

4:51

person to talk to and learn their story. Yeah,

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it was such an awesome interview, too. So if

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you haven't checked it out, absolutely go check it

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out. We'll have a link in the show notes

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for it. Absolutely. Goes on

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to say, ZornOS being very popular with schools

5:03

makes a ton of sense when I was

5:05

approaching the end of my high school career.

5:08

Our school just updated its three computer rooms

5:10

with new PCs and the shiny new Windows

5:12

XP. Instead of throwing away

5:14

the old PCs, a physics teacher equipped

5:16

three additional computer rooms with these old

5:18

PCs and open SUSE. This

5:21

was my first contact with Linux, but

5:23

it felt strange. And also due to

5:25

the old hardware, cheap, unstable, and unattractive

5:28

to me. It took me

5:30

many years and the VIM experience before

5:32

I would give Linux another chance. Wow,

5:34

VIM was what did it? And you

5:36

thought that stuff was outdated, which is

5:38

like the WHJKL

5:43

movement and stuff. That's what did it for you. That's

5:45

crazy. How did you exit it? That's

5:48

the question. Maybe that's the reason why he

5:50

gave Linux another chance, because he was stuck

5:52

in VIM. And when you found

5:54

out the answer, it was like, use Linux. Oh,

5:56

OK. Yes, there you go.

10:00

Because the loser has to do 50 pushups. Oh,

10:03

OK. OK. That is that

10:05

is so not fair as

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a comparison. Like the thing like the

10:10

thing you do every day anyway or

10:12

something. Yeah, of course. So either

10:15

way, I win. You would do it anyway.

10:17

You just do at least

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five or 10 without having done them in a long

10:21

time. But I used to do 50. You're going to

10:23

do 50 in a row this time on camera. I

10:27

don't think I can do 50. I

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don't think I can do 15, much less 50. Michael's

10:33

like, I got one good one. I

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actually have tested. I've got to 10 and

10:38

felt like I was about to pass out.

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So I think 15, I would literally pass out.

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Probably 15. That's

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the pass out thing. All in one go. If we were

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like to break it up like 10, one

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hour, 10 the next. I could do that. But like all

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in one go, I'd probably pass out. Well,

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Jill, you better hope you're right, because otherwise

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you're going to be in a row. I

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feel like they're going to respond and say that the

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answer is whatever Jill said, just so that she doesn't.

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But sit ups, I might be able to win you on

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that one. I actually have the record at my high school

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for sit ups. Over

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the men's record. Oh,

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I still do those each morning. Challenge

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accepted. Number one, like

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to see this challenge played out. Well,

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you donate for it. It costs about

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ten thousand dollars. So you know, $10,000.

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Jill and I will do a set up

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competition live at scale. Yeah.

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If you donate $10,000, you will not only sponsor

11:38

us to go to scale, but

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Jill and I will do a set

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up competition, which I guarantee you I

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will win. So no, you

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probably will. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Stop

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it. You can be a competition. You

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won't. Jill, come on,

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do it right now. Okay. I

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wish I could like no say

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you're gonna stomp me. She's gonna destroy Ryan.

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Yeah, actually I'm going to destroy you Ryan

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because what I will do is I will

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practice and I will do 65

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setups in one minute is what what my

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record is Dang

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all right here for this low price

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of 10 great low

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low price Or

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easy payments of $2,500 Yeah,

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we'll take payments It's

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got started $2,500 apiece the payments, but

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we'll take payments, you know Sure.

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All right Speaking

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of companies that don't need any

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donations or payments because they're worth

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like three trillion dollars Did

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you hear that Nvidia and hugging face

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are partnering up with robot? I I

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did not hear about that But I

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also love to hear any time we

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can talk about hugging face because the

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name is the name The

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name alone is worth billions Whoever

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was the marketing decision to branding person

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to choose that name. Yeah They

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really did do amazing job We're gonna talk

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about hugging face because we've mentioned them in

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past episodes but we've never gotten into their

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history and what we found is Going

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to change your life forever.

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But first let's talk about

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What a great tease up there.

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Yeah, thank you Six

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o'clock the beach should have turned tune in

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this could destroy your entire life but

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what but until then Here's

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the weather exactly So

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this is the lotto numbers So

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did you watch the Tesla event where

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they get a robo taxi and all

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that stuff They got the

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robo taxi that I forgot what they call

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cyber cabs something like that cyber cab Yeah,

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but obviously the biggest thing is the the

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robots are walking around and talking So

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so much potential there. Now, can

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you off the top of your head Michael? Tell

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me how much money would they have left if

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They gave us ten thousand dollars of their

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so they started with three trillion and they

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end with three trillion Significant

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amount of money for them It's still three

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trillion because the next day they get more

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money that goes back up to three trillion

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So it's like it's not they're not even

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gonna fill it Yeah,

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yeah Sneeze

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for them or something Yeah, it's

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like what you drop a penny on the ground to them would

20:37

be even worse than that It would be like the

20:39

value of I think what you wanted was

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nine hundred and ninety nine billion nine hundred

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ninety nine million nine hundred

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and ninety nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine

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No, I can't do it I

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Wait I was doing like a dollar Yeah,

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two two two two two trillion nine hundred

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ninety nine billion nine hundred nine million nine

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hundred and oh forgot the billion 80,000

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and Maybe

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it's like ten cents Because

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they're gonna send us ten thousand and ten cents The

21:19

taxes they're upping the paying for the time

21:21

exactly. It's a fee for the transfer So

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we've talked a lot about hugging face over

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these episodes like we've mentioned them with multiple

21:29

times Michaels mentioned how cool the name they

21:31

are and I really have

21:33

never stopped to find out who is this cool

21:35

company? Like they're doing a lot of cool things

21:37

But like what's their origin? I want to

21:40

find out more about them So we're gonna

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spend a little bit of time talking about

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hugging face because it's really an interesting story

21:47

Number one and then number two

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is I got some questions for

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Jill and Michael about this future

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with robotics I'm really excited to

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hear their answers for but hugging

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face is an American company-based Isn't

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that what I said? I don't even know what I said anymore. Michael's

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robot side is working correctly,

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Ryan. I said 4

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billion, 499 million. We

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got our calculator. We got millions of dollars. They

24:17

give us $10,000. I know,

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but it's 4 billion. It's

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4.4 billion. Here's

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what we've learned today. Me

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no good math. How

24:38

many people right now you think are listening to this

24:40

podcast trying to do it in their head? Like it's

24:42

got to be across the board. I feel like they're

24:44

either trying to calculate it in their head and do

24:47

it quickly. It's not fair if you're not doing it

24:49

live instantly. You have to do it instantly. And

24:52

if you mess up at all, then you join me in my

24:54

club of me no good math. That's

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your big new shirt, by the

25:00

way. Me no good math, Michael.

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You can join us, man. It's just like, it'll

25:05

have a signature of me signed it. This is

25:07

the quote. But also the other

25:09

side of people would be like just judging

25:12

me for being bad at math. I'm

25:16

not bad at math. I'm bad on the spot

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at math. Yeah,

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sure. We'll go with that. Thanks.

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Their best known for their large

25:27

language models or

25:29

LLMs. And for those that don't know, LLM

25:31

is like a computational model for natural language

25:33

processing. So it takes a whole bunch of

25:35

data, massive amounts of data, and tries to

25:37

learn from it. And there's two ways it

25:39

can learn from it, right? Unsupervised, where it

25:41

goes off on its own, you feed it

25:43

a bunch of data, and it tries to

25:45

figure stuff out with that data. Or supervised,

25:48

in which it tries to make decisions with

25:50

the data. Do you have a human there

25:52

sitting there going, no, that's not correct. This

25:54

is correct. Blah, blah, blah. Or there's a

25:56

combination of those two. But essentially, that's kind

25:58

of where they got their start. A

40:00

skilled professional who can react to it

40:02

is something that is impossible to replace,

40:05

in my opinion, with a robot. They

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can replace certain things, like some things, absolutely,

40:11

but there are certain ... I think there's

40:13

certain other ... just impossible. That's

40:16

one of them for me anyway. AI

40:20

right now gets stuff wrong so many

40:22

times. There's companies out there in the

40:24

news. One was an airline, I think,

40:26

that it started

40:28

giving its customers wrong information that wasn't

40:31

on the website and they ended up getting

40:33

sued for it. I just imagine if

40:35

you have a robot doctor that uses this

40:38

AI in its current form and you're like,

40:40

man, I have a sore throat and

40:43

I've just not been feeling well. It's like,

40:45

you have amoebic dysentery. Here, take

40:47

this. It just gets it wrong all

40:49

the time. I have this cold. You have

40:51

cancer. Yeah, exactly. Like, what?

40:55

That's also basically WebMD too. It could

40:57

hallucinate, right? I

41:00

do think it would be interesting from

41:02

people who suffer from different illnesses

41:05

like epilepsy

41:08

and those type of things. If you had

41:10

a robot nearby, they could take

41:13

care of them, monitor their health, even

41:15

do rehabilitation. People who

41:17

get injuries, they need to be rehabilitated, which usually

41:19

requires lots of strength from another human to help

41:21

you walk and all this stuff. It

41:23

could be used for that. The

41:25

elderly, Jill, you mentioned companions for

41:27

elderly, I feel like would be

41:30

really, really useful. The

41:32

smart home stuff, of course, and then you've got...

41:34

What about disaster recovery? You've got a flood in

41:36

something or fire you can't get out of your

41:38

house. You got a robot can run up there,

41:40

grab your kids and get out. That's a good

41:42

one. That's a good one. Yeah. Also,

41:45

they wouldn't have to worry about being hurt because

41:47

they can't be hurt. Shots

41:51

are already being used in natural

41:54

disasters. That

41:56

makes sense to go the next step further. The

52:00

more they get more sophisticated, the more we figure out

52:02

how to stop it and tell people how to ignore

52:04

it, they just get more and more

52:06

sophisticated. Yeah, it's

52:09

true. Yeah, it's hard to escape. It's really

52:11

unfortunate, because when we go back to the

52:13

robotics conversation, you guys both mentioned if it's

52:15

connected to the internet, it's a no-go, and

52:18

I couldn't imagine them ever

52:20

selling a robot that's not connected to the internet.

52:23

They sell us nothing else. We can even get

52:25

video games not connected to the internet. Right, every

52:27

time we're gonna get a... Yeah. So

52:30

whoever sells the robot's gonna wanna connect

52:32

to the internet, but the damage, even

52:34

for manufacturing, which is where robots will

52:36

show up first, is far more greater

52:38

than even just hacking a computer, because

52:40

now you have a robot that physically

52:42

can block a door from

52:45

the admins getting into the server room to fix the

52:47

problem. Do you see what I'm saying? You've

52:49

got this physical, moving, human-like

52:51

thing that can physically be hacked to

52:53

stop somebody. And it's also guaranteed to

52:55

be 10 times stronger, so they could

52:58

just rip things apart and break the

53:00

manufacturing system and all sorts of stuff.

53:03

Yeah, it'd be crazy. So this is an

53:05

interesting future, a little doomsday, because

53:07

there's a happy part of robotics, I feel

53:09

like, but write

53:11

us and let us know what you guys think. Yes, there

53:13

are- Maybe we're just going too dark. There

53:16

are, so there's actually a combination where

53:18

there's a thing that's a destructive thing

53:20

of robots and also happy, and that's

53:23

BattleBots. BattleBots is awesome.

53:25

Yay! Awesome, 100%. You've

53:28

never seen BattleBots. Go look at it on

53:30

YouTube, it's awesome. And there's

53:32

even competition in

53:35

the BattleBots space now. It's pretty cool.

53:38

Oh, very nice. Well, Jill, I knew that we

53:40

were going to go in a little bit dark

53:42

place with our stories this week, so I gave

53:44

you a really happy game. Tell us about the

53:46

game this week. This

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game is happy, yes, but it does involve war.

53:53

Come on, Ryan. Let's

53:57

just hit the wrong one. It's a fun escape.

56:00

I think it really does. The

56:03

art and design are

56:05

really beautiful and very

56:08

rich. You

56:10

can get Zephyn on Steam for $39.99,

56:15

and it supports our Linux penguins out

56:17

of the box. I might

56:19

think of my- $39.99 is funny. I

56:22

think I might have a problem with the dad jokes. I

56:24

feel like there might be too many in my head because

56:27

she said, this game is

56:29

very rich. Then I thought, you

56:31

also have to be rich in order to play for $39.99. This

56:34

is true. I meant rich artistically.

56:36

But that's just popped in my

56:38

head and I was like, so

56:40

many dad jokes, I just can't

56:42

stop. See me in

56:45

my head, you said 39.99 and then you left and

56:47

I'm like, is

56:49

that a funny number? Yeah. What's

56:53

so funny about 39.99? Well,

56:57

actually, if you take $10,000 out of that, what do you get, right? There

57:01

we go. Nine

57:04

thousand, nine hundred.

57:07

Negative. Ten

57:11

thousand out of 39.99. Yeah.

57:13

Ten thousand minus 39.99. See? Now

57:16

I don't have to do it because I didn't understand it.

57:18

Thank goodness. Joe, you

57:23

recommend this game. Yes, absolutely.

57:25

Here's the great thing. We've

57:30

got the robots that we talked about, the good

57:32

things they could do. Then we talked about the

57:34

fact they're going to destroy us all. We have

57:36

a game that's post-apocalyptic, so you can play out

57:38

the scenario of the end of the world. There

57:41

we go. Which is fantastic. Our

57:43

robot overlords taking over. For

57:46

those who don't notice, Ryan is explaining the

57:48

theme of this episode. I

57:51

just want you guys to take a moment

57:54

and understand the brilliant writing here. Because when

57:56

you go to the software spotlight, it

57:59

will also fit in. to the

58:01

post-apocalyptic theme that we have going

58:03

here. Well done. What's our software

58:05

spotlight? Yes. So

58:07

if you're a fan of Borderlands,

58:09

the game, then you've heard of

58:11

Claptrap, the goofy, funny, and sometimes

58:15

useful sidekick robot that goes on adventures

58:17

with you. I don't know how useful

58:19

Claptrap is. Every once in a

58:22

while, he'd be like, over here. Oh,

58:24

that's true. It'll give you a little hints on

58:26

where to go. If you ignore where you're supposed

58:28

to go, he'll eventually start talking to you. That's

58:30

true. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does.

58:33

And our software spotlight is

58:35

called Clap Grip. And

58:38

it pays its respect to the robot

58:40

with its icon and name, but

58:43

it's also very useful. More

58:46

so than Claptrap. Yes, more

58:48

so than Claptrap. Sometimes

58:50

having a GUI is just more convenient than

58:52

playing in the terminal. And

58:55

if you need help finding files,

58:57

then check out the Clap Grip

58:59

File Search GUI tool. All

59:01

you have to do is simply open the

59:04

folder with Clap Grip, enter

59:06

the search term, and Clap Grip will

59:08

do all the hard work of finding

59:10

out on which page

59:13

slash line and in which file

59:15

the information is that you are

59:17

looking for. Clap

59:19

Grip can currently search all sorts

59:21

of text files, PDFs, and Office

59:23

documents with more to come. And

59:26

it is available as a handy flat

59:28

pack over at flathub.org. And

59:32

I personally have just started

59:34

using Clap Grip to

59:38

search our destination Linux

59:41

files, particularly the PDFs. After

59:44

every episode, I always save a PDF

59:46

of each show. And sometimes I

59:48

want to find different topics that

59:50

we've talked about like six months ago,

59:53

a year ago. So this is a tool

59:55

that I can use quickly and easily. I've been doing

59:57

it in the command. You're right. Wait,

1:00:00

did you do that? Exactly what I

1:00:02

was thinking is the owners of

1:00:04

this business, have we ever archived

1:00:06

in all of our show notes?

1:00:10

In this way, I think the answer to that

1:00:12

would be no. That would be no. Thankfully, we

1:00:15

have Jill. We have Jill. We have Jill. That's

1:00:17

true. If we ever lose our server, we at

1:00:19

least have Jill who has it probably

1:00:21

backed up on floppy disk. Actually,

1:00:24

I do have some of them on floppy disk.

1:00:27

Thank goodness. Of course. Perfect.

1:00:30

The history will be stored forever. Jill,

1:00:33

that's amazing. It's very awesome. By

1:00:35

the way, talking of Borderlands and

1:00:38

the Warhammer above the

1:00:40

creators of that game, I

1:00:43

have started playing this game called Darktide,

1:00:45

Warhammer 40,000 Darktide. Really,

1:00:48

really enjoying the whole Warhammer world.

1:00:52

One of the things that the Warhammer world

1:00:54

is about is spending lots of money because

1:00:56

the stuff's very expensive, but also painting these

1:00:58

models. I ordered a starter

1:01:00

kit to start painting these models with my

1:01:03

son and daughter. I think it'll

1:01:05

be really fun to do that. I've got

1:01:07

all the paints and I've got the little

1:01:09

characters. I spent way

1:01:11

too much money on pieces of plastic to paint. Then

1:01:14

we'll play this game. The Warhammer

1:01:17

world is just awesome in a

1:01:19

post-apocalyptic course as well, fitting

1:01:22

into our theme of our show really well.

1:01:24

It reminds me of the Borderlands and then

1:01:26

the Warhammer thing that I'm getting into

1:01:28

Warhammer. If you have any advice for

1:01:30

those in the audience... Don't get into Warhammer. If

1:01:32

you want to say... Into Warhammer. Besides, don't get

1:01:34

into Warhammer because it's a money sink like crazy.

1:01:38

Let me know. I'd be very

1:01:40

interested. Also, if

1:01:43

you have any of those models, those $500

1:01:45

robots and things just sitting around your house,

1:01:47

you want to send to me? You're

1:01:50

not interested in having any more? Yeah. Just

1:01:52

shoot them my way. I'll send you a PO

1:01:54

box. Appreciate it. All right, Jill. This is tip

1:01:56

of the week. Yeah. So the

1:01:58

tip of the week. week is

1:02:00

an app called Polychromatic. This

1:02:03

app actually lets you control all

1:02:05

the various elements of your Razer

1:02:07

devices and peripherals, including keyboards. Talk

1:02:09

about post-apocalyptic right here. Yes. Like

1:02:12

you have Razer. Yeah, Razer.

1:02:14

Including keyboards, mice, keypads. Customize

1:02:17

your robot. Laptops and

1:02:19

more. You can change

1:02:21

everything including DPI, polling rate,

1:02:23

brightness, and device-specific hardware functions

1:02:26

like game mode. The

1:02:28

software also lets you view

1:02:30

device information like firmware version,

1:02:32

serial number, battery levels, and

1:02:35

can test individually-addressable LEDs. And

1:02:38

you can create your own RGB

1:02:40

lighting effects and animations using the

1:02:42

Effect Editor, which is great for

1:02:45

key mapping a game, application, or

1:02:47

just for some cool ambience. And

1:02:50

Polychromatic uses the fabulous OpenRazor on the

1:02:53

back end, which I've been using since

1:02:55

its first release in 2016 to

1:02:58

adjust the RGB on my Razer

1:03:00

Black Widow Chroma keyboard. I

1:03:02

remember being so excited because I got

1:03:04

that keyboard as a gift from my

1:03:06

husband and I

1:03:09

couldn't control the lights on

1:03:11

Linux until OpenRazor came along.

1:03:14

And now we have a fabulous GUI like

1:03:17

Polychromatic to make it even easier.

1:03:20

It's so cool. Yeah.

1:03:23

So there's one thing I have to ask you a question though.

1:03:26

How much does this application do?

1:03:29

I mean, I've tried Polychromatic in the past and OpenRazor

1:03:32

in the past, but it's been a while. I

1:03:34

now use a different mouse, but I do have a Razer mouse.

1:03:37

And I was hoping to find something where we could

1:03:39

edit the configs of stuff like that. It

1:03:43

seems like it's more of the RGB

1:03:45

related. It's more of

1:03:47

the unicorn vomit manipulation. But

1:03:51

it says you can do some

1:03:53

polling numbers for certain devices, right?

1:03:55

Like, but it's through the terminal

1:03:58

portion of it. And

1:04:00

I have done firmware updates using

1:04:03

the terminal to hmm. Well, so

1:04:05

like so that's the open razor part of a thing, right?

1:04:07

Yeah, okay So public romantic

1:04:09

is like more of the RGB and the open razor

1:04:11

is like a combination between Like

1:04:14

that you put those together to be More

1:04:16

easy using with like the the GUI side

1:04:18

of it And this is

1:04:20

this is cool and I have played with

1:04:22

the RGB of the mind of my mouse

1:04:24

for it and it works but

1:04:27

I do wish we could have some like

1:04:30

configuration of the mice because the only thing

1:04:32

like It only works on Windows

1:04:34

like literally nothing. Yeah So

1:04:37

razor just so if you're watching Stop

1:04:40

it stopping here buttons

1:04:43

And also just quick side note

1:04:46

they have proprietary chargers on

1:04:48

their mice like this this cable is

1:04:50

proprietary Except it's micro USB

1:04:52

So the only reason for proprietary is because

1:04:55

there's like little slots that this

1:04:57

goes into and you have that cable to

1:04:59

plug it in Okay, like that's just so

1:05:01

lame. I mean Anyway,

1:05:03

it's not you it's terribly lame But

1:05:06

it's not as lame as Apple releasing

1:05:08

a new version of its magic mouse

1:05:10

that you still have to turn upside

1:05:12

down to charge Sing

1:05:15

you needed to fix Apple like

1:05:18

how Unbelievably arrogant

1:05:20

are you? Oh my

1:05:23

gosh That is that is a great point

1:05:25

the worst mouse design is 100% the

1:05:27

Apple mouse having to you have to kill the

1:05:29

mouse and Didn't put it charge it and they

1:05:32

doubled down on it. They released new version with

1:05:34

the same They're like, you know what? We're not

1:05:36

fixing it You still have to turn the mouse

1:05:38

over cuz you know why you guys said you

1:05:41

didn't like it So we're gonna make you buy

1:05:43

anyways, because we know you Apple fanboys will and

1:05:45

it's kind of like gnome with the app indicator

1:05:47

They just keep doubling down on the same bad

1:05:50

decision like no You change

1:05:52

it because you know, we know it's terrible.

1:05:54

We're still sticking with it. Sometimes

1:05:56

consistency is good and sometimes it's

1:05:59

not Just keep that in mind.

1:06:01

This is and also at least the

1:06:03

razor connector. If you find something that

1:06:05

fits perfectly inside this thing, it

1:06:08

might be might be theoretically possible. But the

1:06:10

Apple, when you can never fix it being.

1:06:12

Yeah, having a charger upside down like that's

1:06:14

just that is. Did you hear about this

1:06:17

one, too, Michael? They the Mac Mini they

1:06:19

released, which is actually really good value now.

1:06:21

It's a pretty decent value for what you

1:06:24

get. They put the power button underneath it

1:06:26

underneath. Yeah. Well, they also claim that if

1:06:28

there's enough space for your finger to go

1:06:30

under to hit it, well, everyone has different

1:06:33

size fingers. You have tiny thumbs. Sure, you

1:06:35

could slide them in there and hit it.

1:06:37

But I didn't have tiny fingers, and I

1:06:39

would have a really hard time getting my

1:06:42

hand under that thing. How

1:06:44

big is the still? Everyone has different

1:06:46

size hands. Why is this even a

1:06:49

question? I know you just put

1:06:51

it on the outside and it doesn't matter

1:06:53

what anyone's hand size it. OK,

1:06:55

I also have to remind you, they are

1:06:57

also the company who made the computer trash

1:06:59

can. Yeah, so I

1:07:02

mean, at least it had the power button on the front. You

1:07:05

know, that's true. Unbelievable

1:07:07

to put a power button underneath the

1:07:10

computer. It is so unbelievably stupid, but

1:07:12

they'll double down on it and their

1:07:14

fans will back them and say things

1:07:16

like, well, it's so

1:07:18

ergonomic. It's so ergonomic.

1:07:20

It's the best. But

1:07:22

I was just I was just saying like what I

1:07:24

was not. It could be clear. Ryan

1:07:27

just made a joke like I was a fanboy. I

1:07:29

just want to make it clear that people

1:07:31

are saying that it is OK, but

1:07:33

I have never used it, obviously, to

1:07:35

say anything. But just conceptually, it's very

1:07:37

stupid because you can just put it

1:07:40

on the. Top Michael is a fanboy.

1:07:42

Send us your comments and write in

1:07:44

where you think Michael turned in. Like

1:07:46

what episode do you think Michael switched

1:07:48

an Apple fan? And

1:07:50

just give a little bit of facts and

1:07:52

then make up the rest and. And I

1:07:54

actually hate this thing because to be fair,

1:07:56

I do have an iPhone now so that

1:07:58

kind of. But the

1:08:00

rest of it, I still think most of their stuff

1:08:02

is nonsense. But the Apple- Put some of your facts in

1:08:05

there, make up the rest, and I'll read it on

1:08:07

the show as facts. You don't need to put in

1:08:09

the facts. Ryan is just going to make it up anyway.

1:08:11

You just send a bunch of stuff around. He's like,

1:08:13

ah, I like this one. This made up thing is

1:08:15

good. I'll use that. Oh.

1:08:17

Awesome. Perfect. So back

1:08:19

to polychromatic. Well, no. We can't

1:08:22

go back. We're done with it. We already said it

1:08:24

had a flat back. Oh. Oh,

1:08:27

but yeah. Yeah. You

1:08:29

need to go to flathub.org and pick

1:08:31

up the flat pack for polychromatic. It's

1:08:34

awesome. Okay. Awesome.

1:08:37

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1:08:41

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1:09:48

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1:09:53

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1:09:55

hugs. That was a- Post-apocalyptic.

1:09:57

That was a very weird way of saying it. Wait,

1:10:00

first of all, how

1:10:03

long have you been planning to do it to do it

1:10:05

that way? Did you have to five

1:10:08

seconds ago and chat GPT wrote it? I

1:10:10

was about to ask the AI. I

1:10:14

like that sounded very AI based. When

1:10:17

Jill was talking and you saw me looking

1:10:19

down, I was writing as fast as I

1:10:21

could. Get my post-apocalyptic. Uh,

1:10:23

convert this into post-apocalyptic. Yes. That's

1:10:26

exactly what I wrote. Yeah. Nice.

1:10:29

Nice. All right. Thanks for coming to

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the show, everybody. We'll see you next week for

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another episode of your

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destination of Linux. Of

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Linux. Yay. Yay.

1:10:41

Hugs again. Little

1:10:43

hugs from me. To

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your face. Leo.