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Welcome

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to devils in the dark with me,

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Helen Anderson, and me, Danny Howard.

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We're two best friends entering the world

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of true crime. will be sharing the stories

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of some of the worst and most horrific murder

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cases in history with the help of

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professional criminologists and were

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taken new along for the ride.

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In this episode, we're looking

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into the breaking bad obsessed murderer

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Stefano Brie see.

1:07

How are you, Helen?

1:08

I'm okay. Yeah?

1:11

Actually, about five minutes ago,

1:13

I wasn't okay because I got an

1:15

iced, spiced bun from M

1:17

and S. and I unwrapped

1:20

it and the icing was stuck

1:22

completely clean off on

1:24

the wrapper. Shows just left with a bun.

1:27

It was horrible. It was difficult to watch.

1:29

It was. I scraped it with my fingers,

1:31

and then I just went and and licked it

1:33

off. That also difficult to watch.

1:35

But

1:39

I was really looking forward to that in

1:41

our in our break time. a

1:43

podcast break and was disappointing.

1:46

Other than that, I'm alright. Good.

1:49

I've got Well, I mentioned last time, but

1:51

but Phil is are fully up to date on podcast.

1:54

Well, thank you, Phil. Yeah. I know.

1:56

He's like, I've been listening to devil's

1:58

in the dark again in fully up

1:59

today. And I'm like about fucking time. Well,

2:02

halfway through season two. I've been doing this

2:04

since last year. Does he like it?

2:06

He loves it. Oh, okay. He thinks it's really interesting. He

2:08

imagine if he got all this way and he was like, oh, I just do

2:10

you know what? It's just not for me. I don't think you like

2:12

it. But do you feel you have to move out of Hell's

2:14

house?

2:16

I don't think he would I

2:18

don't think we could listen to Delfin. Okay.

2:20

If he didn't like it, but he can listen. He

2:22

can stay, then I'll I'll allow

2:24

it.

2:26

I fell into a hole this week. Not literally.

2:28

Not a hole. Not a literal hole this

2:30

time. That has been that does happen. That did

2:32

happen once. Mhmm.

2:34

No. We watched Simeon

2:37

Baker had some time of work together, and

2:40

we watched a film called

2:42

Moonfall. which is on

2:45

Amazon Prime. I I

2:47

saw the trailer for this. Yeah.

2:49

The the trailer where they drive a car onto

2:52

a piece of rock that's floating up to the

2:54

air. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've got

2:56

Sam from it from from Game of Thrones.

2:59

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

3:01

Hallie Barry, we Yeah.

3:04

Is she okay? because she had a really

3:06

great career. Yes.

3:10

This film was

3:11

interesting. But the basic premise

3:14

without a I don't think this is

3:16

none of this is I'm not spoiling

3:18

anything that isn't in the trailer. The

3:21

moon has fallen out of orbit. And

3:24

And the the

3:26

the change in gravity

3:27

is fucking

3:29

with the the earth -- Yeah. -- as

3:31

it went, some some crack scientists.

3:35

who also thankfully were astronauts apart

3:38

from one of them, go on

3:40

a mission to save the moon.

3:43

Okay. And I

3:45

was like, okay. As the stuff happens and

3:47

you find out about the moon in

3:50

the which is

3:52

not factual. I'm gonna guess. Okay.

3:54

Also, the physics in it seemed to be very

3:57

selective. But,

3:59

yeah, that's

3:59

fine. And then I

4:02

was like, okay. Somebody's had

4:04

this idea for

4:05

this.

4:07

the

4:08

then And

4:11

where has that come from? And I

4:13

I lost I fell deep into this

4:15

hole. of moon conspiracy. An

4:17

conspiracy. Yeah. Not just

4:19

like moon landing conspiracy, but there's

4:21

this whole thing about the is the moon

4:23

real?

4:25

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

4:28

And whether the moon is actually

4:30

hollow --

4:31

Right. -- and was built by aliens.

4:34

Okay? And put there. Actually,

4:36

the death star real thing. Well,

4:39

yes. Actually, is one of the

4:41

theories. Okay. Yeah. And there's also a theory

4:43

about what happens on the dark side of the moon in

4:45

there. All

4:45

kinds of theories about that. Yeah. Yeah.

4:48

But thought it was

4:50

interesting apparently when Apollo

4:52

thirteen dropped

4:53

whatever it dropped on the moon.

4:57

they recorded earthquakes

4:59

on the moon's

5:01

surface -- Right. -- that were

5:03

akin to the moon ringing like

5:05

a bell. And

5:06

so this has launched conspiracy

5:09

theories that the moon that it

5:11

has done that. The moon isabelle. the

5:13

moon is actually hollow. There's a bell

5:15

inside. Not

5:18

that it's actually a bell. But

5:20

then and then I just I'm

5:22

I'm not only I

5:23

can be partial to the conspiracy

5:26

theory, like I'm convinced that all

5:28

of kiss died. the

5:30

band kiss and the whole robot. Yeah.

5:32

And I'm also convinced that Iggy Popp is a

5:34

robot as well. I'm convinced that he died a

5:36

long time ago, and it's just animatronic.

5:39

There's also

5:41

another one where, like, our birds

5:44

real, and there's this whole thing that

5:46

birds aren't real. they're actually,

5:48

like, tiny spies for the government. Do you

5:50

believe this? They record. No. I just thought it was

5:52

just interesting. I told you I

5:54

fell into a hole and I fell deep. Okay. These

5:57

birds are like tiny

5:59

robots

5:59

or like spy devices that

6:02

are just sort of twittering around

6:04

to listen to what people are saying.

6:07

I'm gonna recommend

6:09

that you never download TikTok.

6:12

I know that you never intend to

6:14

because you you know yourself. Yeah.

6:16

It's because I'm I'm gonna really

6:18

suggest that you don't

6:20

because you can get sucked

6:22

in. to things. I will. Like, I

6:24

got sucked in the other night to

6:26

real life mermaid sightings, and

6:29

I scared fucking love shit like that.

6:31

That scared me. and I went to bed and

6:33

I was scared of the real mermaids that are

6:35

actually really ugly and and

6:37

cruel. Yeah. They're

6:40

I mean, they're completely fake videos,

6:42

but were they fake? I don't know, but And

6:44

I send ended up on TikTok just

6:46

like, whoever whoever Another another. And

6:48

then two hours later, you know what? You

6:50

know him recently in the

6:52

WhatsApp group. There's been some

6:54

sporadic tick talk links

6:56

from me at, like Yeah. That's

6:59

that's because I'm still upset in the

7:01

dark. Head of the dark. Head of the dark. Head of the dark. Yeah. I

7:03

saw that ticker. Elizabeth. Yeah.

7:06

So just don't get it, Danny. because

7:08

you'll I'll never see you again.

7:11

Thanks, Tae Sik. I'll just be all greasy and covered

7:13

grubs. Like Yeah. And, like, really pay a lot of

7:15

sun could in eyes. Like, don't open

7:17

the window about to give birth, and I'll just

7:19

be like, but do you know

7:21

the birth? my entire

7:23

house is just wrapped in tin foil. Yeah.

7:28

So that's where I've been today. Cool.

7:31

Today, this week. I'm never

7:33

watching that film

7:33

by the way, because it looks terrible.

7:36

There's no bad. You know what? I'm actually kind

7:38

of glad I watched it. It

7:39

was just silly. Okay. Like, it

7:41

wasn't

7:42

terrible. And I didn't notice how long it was, so

7:44

it obviously was good enough to

7:46

keep me gripped. But I have a real big

7:48

love, like, You know sci fi

7:50

films, sci fi

7:51

films. I

7:52

love sci fi. You do. But

7:54

if the science, the

7:56

fake science or the science, the

7:59

logic behind it doesn't make any sense.

8:01

Then I'm like, nope, not buying it. This is shit.

8:03

See, that's why I'm like, could this

8:05

make sense? Like, where has this come from?

8:07

I don't like it. Well,

8:10

we can link this into today's

8:13

case. Okay? We can

8:16

do it. You know, sometimes the

8:19

logic and the science in films

8:20

inspires people.

8:22

sometimes -- Right. -- it lacks

8:25

soundness.

8:27

the

8:29

So, yeah, this today's

8:31

episode, today's case, it's another

8:33

gruesome one, and

8:35

it's fairly recent. And

8:37

I would suggest

8:39

the that

8:40

probably in

8:43

fact, no. Now if you're eating,

8:45

if you've got snacks, I'd

8:47

probably just stop. if you're one

8:49

of those people that get grossed out and

8:51

watch, I'd I'd I'd I'd just I'd just Oh, yeah.

8:53

No. I think you must still eat as well. But, like, if

8:55

maybe if you're eating, like, ham or

8:58

jelly, I probably would

9:00

stop. Yeah.

9:04

So that was you've been fairly warned. Also,

9:06

if you haven't seen breaking bad, I'm gonna

9:09

spoil it. I've not seen it. It came

9:11

out in like two thousand and twelve, so do

9:13

better. Like, if you I I have no sympathy

9:15

if there is spoilers in this episode

9:17

now because it's been out for

9:19

long enough. So you've

9:20

had your time. Alright.

9:22

you'll enjoy it, watch

9:24

it, but, you know, when

9:26

I've

9:26

got time. Okay. You won't ever

9:28

have time.

9:29

So

9:31

let's set the scene for today. Okay.

9:33

It's April seventh two

9:35

thousand and sixteen. Police

9:37

have just been called to the Peabody

9:39

estate in South London after some residents

9:41

have

9:41

complained about a really bad smell.

9:45

London. I just assumed it was

9:47

gonna be America because the great bad, but, okay,

9:49

London London. He up at the letter

9:51

box. And he said, can you spot it

9:53

now? And I said to him, you

9:55

know, when he smells like smell shot,

9:57

a dead body. Two local

9:59

police officers arrive

9:59

and knock on the door of forty nine year

10:02

old Stefano Breetsies

10:03

flat. He greets

10:04

them with a confession they

10:07

would

10:07

definitely not have expected. He

10:10

said,

10:10

I I've killed a police officer, Satan

10:13

told me to do it. I promised satan that

10:16

I would kill the first opportunity. And

10:19

waiting for them inside

10:22

was an incredibly greased

10:25

and was like Oh my god. They

10:28

go into the bath room and the

10:30

bath is full of globules of fat and

10:32

they find remnants of the body.

10:34

The body was fifty nine

10:36

year old missing police officer Gordon

10:39

Temple. the officers would soon

10:41

find out that Gordon had met his fate after

10:43

a seemingly regular interaction

10:45

on Grindr. They were

10:47

essentially both looking somebody

10:49

to hook up with and have sex with.

10:51

And and the speed at which this

10:53

happens, with which they meet, and with

10:55

which Gordon Sample loses

10:57

his life really is quite

10:58

incredible. The

11:00

exciting

11:04

Why is he blob y'all? Well,

11:06

I'm gonna tell you in a bit. But first, let's

11:08

go back to the start. Okay. Okay.

11:11

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11:13

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11:15

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11:18

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11:20

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11:44

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11:46

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11:50

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11:52

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11:52

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11:54

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11:56

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11:58

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11:59

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12:02

That's a nice shirt and I kept it. And

12:04

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12:06

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12:08

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12:10

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12:11

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12:13

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12:15

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14:21

start of Stefano Britzy's story.

14:23

Stefani Brezzi was born into a

14:25

devout Catholic family in San Marcello

14:27

de Pistoiesi in Tuscany,

14:29

Italy on June twenty sixth

14:31

nineteen sixty six. His

14:33

childhood was fairly regular. And according to criminal

14:36

psychologist Chris Carter and

14:38

author Jeffrey Wessel, he was aware that

14:40

he wasn't

14:40

straight at an early age. he

14:43

knew he was on almost like show.

14:46

But Britzi also knew he was a

14:48

Catholic and that not only he's against

14:50

his religion, but you would really upset his

14:52

parents if they were that

14:54

religious. So he wasn't that kind

14:56

of turmoil. I think

14:58

his homosexuality haunted

15:01

him. He

15:02

felt that somehow it wasn't what

15:05

his family would have approved of.

15:08

he felt

15:08

that he was out of

15:11

step with his

15:13

family. Betsy

15:14

went to University in Florida which is

15:17

a a very reputable university

15:19

in Italy, not very far from from where he was

15:21

born and where he lived. From the university

15:23

he graduated and he got a very

15:25

good job as a computer programming in Italy

15:27

as well. I think it's

15:28

quite important

15:30

to remember that that was like the

15:33

sixties, seventies. I don't know much

15:35

about modern Catholicism. Yeah.

15:37

But I think it is I hope it

15:39

is a bit more accepting of

15:42

the LGBTQ plus

15:44

community. We'd

15:45

hope so.

15:47

But I do know for a fact that

15:49

it definitely wasn't. And

15:51

that

15:53

relationship

15:53

with your sexuality and your faith

15:56

could be as very

15:58

Temultuous.

16:01

Like, oh,

16:03

I

16:03

like that word. I think that was the right word.

16:05

Tremultuous. When I was Oh,

16:07

you're the big word person now. us

16:09

too. When I always ask you, I

16:11

was trying to like, I just kept thinking,

16:14

like, shaky, but I don't know if

16:16

you're

16:16

mouth or what? Come out.

16:17

Yeah. Sounds good. I'm gonna say, yeah.

16:20

That's good. Okay. Great. Mhmm.

16:22

But but can I you

16:25

know, like, a lot of, like, modern day churches

16:28

they they have I

16:30

see on their kind of, like, advertising,

16:33

like,

16:33

lots of sort of, like,

16:36

stuff

16:36

that implies that they are open

16:38

to everyone, especially like, you know, using

16:40

like rainbows and stuff in there.

16:43

you know,

16:44

imagery and

16:45

and all that. So you would hope

16:47

that times

16:48

have changed. I think that can be quite

16:50

down to parrish. Each parrish

16:53

but also what denomination. So, like,

16:55

I've know a lot of, like, the CV --

16:57

Mhmm. -- Church

16:57

of England is a lot

17:00

more open

17:00

and progressive than it used to be. Yeah.

17:03

Probably a generational thing as well, isn't

17:05

it? Definitely. In two thousand

17:07

and eight, at age forty two,

17:11

Stefana

17:11

was diagnosed with hepatitis c

17:13

and also tested positive for

17:15

HIV.

17:16

He was obviously rocked by the

17:18

news, but I think also those

17:20

diseases sort of were especially at

17:22

that time, well, two thousand eight,

17:24

not that long ago, but

17:27

quite more one more common, more prevalent prevalent in the

17:29

gay community. Mhmm. And that's

17:31

probably only gonna further his,

17:33

like, Catholic guilt, this sort

17:35

of

17:35

war between his

17:37

faith, his sexuality, his

17:40

morals, and

17:40

what that makes him, like, does it

17:42

make him dirty? Like, you know,

17:45

which I can only imagine is is really

17:47

difficult. And eventually four

17:49

years later, Stefano decided

17:51

to move to London. for

17:53

a fresh start. At this point, he was an IT

17:55

expert and figured he could get much more money in

17:57

the UK and probably have a bit of a

17:59

better

17:59

social life. Mhmm. get

18:02

away from his family ties,

18:04

the Catholic guilt that sort of came with

18:06

them and just be

18:08

a bit more of his own person. because

18:10

I'm, you know, that kind of ideology

18:12

will always stay with you

18:14

in some way. Mhmm. And,

18:17

you know, probably feeling quite

18:19

judged. And going

18:21

somewhere like London where

18:24

there's a place for there's

18:26

there's a community for Yeah.

18:28

There's a place for everyone. And I think

18:30

also, it's a much more diverse,

18:32

like, religiously diverse. sexually

18:35

diverse -- Yep. -- place to be than where

18:37

he was in sort of his province of

18:40

Tuscany. Yeah. Stefano made the

18:42

move and it was successful

18:44

for him. He got a job at a bank

18:46

as an IT consultant and web

18:49

developer, earning seventy

18:51

grand a year. Wow.

18:54

Yeah.

18:54

decent income. That's London wage, though, and

18:57

it Yeah. But still, that's a high

18:59

income. Like -- Yes. -- and I just I'd

19:01

get used to that. Yeah. Is he gonna allow a certain

19:03

kind of lifestyle?

19:04

Yeah. Definitely. It

19:05

seems that guilt he was

19:07

running away from in Italy did follow him.

19:10

to London, unfortunately. In

19:12

two thousand and thirteen, Stefano

19:15

started experimenting with drugs, including

19:17

the sedative, GHB, as

19:20

well as psychoactive poppers. Oh.

19:22

We talked about GHB in the Stephen

19:24

Paul episode in season. I did.

19:26

Didn't we? Yeah. So I won't go into it again. You can go listen

19:28

to it there. That's quite a difficult episode, though. So,

19:31

yeah, that definitely is yeah.

19:33

But did Stephanie didn't

19:35

stop with

19:36

those drugs. He actually escalated into the world

19:38

of substance abuse, and

19:41

he became addicted to crystal

19:43

meth Oh, well, that's quite a jump.

19:45

It's a bit of a leap. Yeah. Yeah.

19:47

That gateway was just thrown wide open.

19:50

And meth, I didn't know this. Like, I've

19:52

always just I've known Meth. Crystal meth is

19:54

like one of the hardcore

19:55

ones. Yeah. Right? And I've

19:57

always been quite afraid of it. But apparently,

19:59

it's quite a

19:59

popular party drug. really?

20:02

Yeah. So it gives you like

20:04

this rush, this like euphoria.

20:07

But you just always like when I think of

20:09

crystal meth, I think of like really

20:11

haggard, like, no teeth. Yeah. There's a

20:14

stereotype there. Yeah. Isn't there? So to

20:16

try and overcome his addiction,

20:18

Stefano joined a support group.

20:21

Okay. Bracey does

20:22

seem to be quite a dramatic

20:25

and quite an elaborate individual and

20:28

of his behavior around his

20:30

crystal meth addiction really does

20:32

highlight that. He reached a point where

20:34

he was going to a support group and he wanted

20:36

to leave his addiction behind He

20:38

conducted a a funeral service through

20:40

his crystal methadiction. I think at one point,

20:42

he even constructed the coffin for

20:45

it. and said he was burying

20:47

his addiction. He

20:48

was basically saying, this is it. This

20:50

is over. I'm burying this part of me and

20:52

I'm moving on. And you can see those those

20:54

roots his up bringing there that

20:57

idea of the Catholic faith and

20:59

of ceremony and of ritual.

21:01

He's drawing on those traditional

21:03

values, those traditional beliefs. in

21:05

this new lifestyle. So I think here

21:07

we've got somebody who's incredibly conflicted.

21:09

He's somebody who feels like he should be

21:11

a good Catholic boy he knows that

21:13

his behavior isn't going to come up to

21:15

the expectations of his family and his

21:18

community, and he's really struggling. That

21:20

sounds incredibly confusing. It

21:23

sounds quite difficult, doesn't it? Yeah. Sort of

21:25

this expectation of who

21:27

should be in conflict with

21:29

who you want to be -- Mhmm. -- or

21:31

and then also who you are -- Yeah.

21:34

-- in pulled all directions. Yeah. And

21:36

so he really struggled to beat

21:38

his addiction, understandably. Mhmm. And

21:40

in two thousand and fifteen, he actually

21:43

lost his job and so his life

21:45

really

21:45

was starting to fall apart. Oh, gosh.

21:49

It would be fair to

21:51

say that brinci was disintegrating. He

21:55

became more

21:58

and more introverted.

21:59

Almost

22:01

nocturnal.

22:03

He completely covered the

22:06

windows of his flat so

22:08

that no

22:09

light came in. He

22:11

didn't go out very much during

22:13

the day at all. he

22:15

became addicted to American television show called Breaking

22:18

Bad, in which

22:20

one point two of the main characters

22:22

try to dissolve the body of a

22:24

drug dealer in a bath vasered, which

22:28

for one reason

22:30

or another struck a

22:32

chord in brinci.

22:33

So you never watch breaking

22:35

bad to do? No. But

22:37

I kinda

22:38

get what it's about. They make

22:41

crystal

22:41

meth in his bathtub. So no.

22:44

No. So it's

22:46

about a high school

22:47

science teacher. Right. Walter,

22:49

Walter White. And he gets

22:52

diagnosed with terminal cancer. Oh, yeah. Okay. And

22:54

so I can't remember exactly

22:56

how but

22:57

he one of his old students,

23:00

Jesse, is a drug dealer and

23:02

cooks meth, and he puts his own spice

23:04

into he adds chili to it.

23:06

like, because he thinks he's cool. And

23:09

water decides to

23:10

cook a a batch of meth

23:12

to get money to put aside

23:14

for his family to make sure his family are okay when he

23:16

dies. Oh, okay. And he doesn't intend for it to

23:18

be a thing, but because he's a chemistry teacher,

23:22

he accidentally makes this incredibly pure.

23:24

Oh. Matt's really good at it. Yeah. He

23:26

he says so it says actually because

23:28

he's a scientist. He's fucking great

23:30

at making Matt. Right. Okay.

23:32

And it's blue because it's so pure.

23:35

Oh, right. And yeah. I'd

23:37

say local drug dealers are

23:39

like, I'll give you that shit. Yeah. And then trouble and issues

23:41

from there. And, yeah, as

23:43

the series sort of develops,

23:47

Walter White, he he takes on the student named

23:49

Heisenberg. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah.

23:52

Particularly in the first series, like, at the

23:54

start and like, one of the main themes

23:56

of there is you can he has this

23:58

conflict of

23:59

why I am doing this is

24:02

a good reason,

24:03

like my intentions

24:04

are pure, my methods are

24:07

not, but my methods I

24:09

just made the I'm really proud of

24:11

myself. But, yeah, so you

24:13

can almost kind of see the parallels, like,

24:15

where Stefano would draw the parallels. Like,

24:17

he's having this internal struggle where

24:19

he's, you know, there's meth everywhere. and

24:21

same for Stefano. Mhmm. But also he's

24:23

having this sort of internal conflict of

24:26

who he is and the how

24:28

his

24:28

actions are conflicting with

24:30

perhaps his core beliefs -- Yeah. -- in the same

24:33

way that Walter White has

24:34

this sort of ongoing environment. His his

24:36

his myfordiction is ruining his own

24:39

life and whilst Walter is looking

24:41

out for his family, he's he's

24:44

helping ring of people's lives. Like Well,

24:46

actually, it does really affect his life as well.

24:48

Oh, okay. Yeah. So yeah. You

24:50

can sort of see especially, like, perhaps with

24:52

if he's taking a lot of meth, his

24:53

brain is gonna be a bit adult. So

24:56

he's

24:56

so he's taking meth whilst

24:58

watching, breaking bad as well.

25:00

He's just

25:01

surrounded by meth. Well, I don't

25:03

know if he, like, did meth

25:05

whilst he was watching breaking He's just like yeah. He was

25:07

he was in the throes of his addiction. How he

25:09

just really dedicated. got sort of

25:11

obsessed. I mean, I binge watched breaking

25:14

bad. while I could because I had to wait series

25:16

by series. That was before Netflix got annoying and

25:18

started releasing things episode by, you know, the week --

25:20

Yeah. -- when you could actually just be like, cool.

25:22

Here's a series. I can't

25:24

say that I got became obsessed with it in that way.

25:27

And so he Stephane was

25:29

really falling into this, like, dark world where

25:31

with the help of hard

25:33

drugs. fantasy and fiction, I

25:35

think, were really starting to blur. Yeah. And he was

25:37

sort of losing his grip on reality a little bit.

25:39

And he was also fascinated with

25:42

sex. Okay. Yep.

25:44

And Fascinated or

25:46

or would did

25:48

he

25:48

do a lot of it? Well,

25:51

both. Okay. Yeah. Fascinated with sex

25:53

and was intent to have as many

25:55

chemsex parties -- Oh. -- as

25:57

he could. Is that where you get high

25:59

and then have sex? Chris

25:59

Carter's gonna tell you. Okay.

26:02

Kim

26:02

Sachs is pretty much a party or

26:04

I get together, where

26:06

is exactly what the tenth. It's

26:09

a party that's fueled by

26:11

chemicals and it's a sex

26:13

party. The two biggest chemicals are

26:15

used and the community for sex parties

26:18

are ketamine and Crystal meth.

26:20

Two big reasons, ketamine is a horse

26:22

fertilizer. It kills your gagging

26:24

effect. And Crystal meth because you

26:26

don't sleep on it. The second reason

26:28

why crystal math is very used.

26:30

It's known as a

26:32

huge effort this year. Once you

26:35

take it, your little bit of just goes

26:37

crazy, and you just you

26:39

don't stop. Christ.

26:40

Yes. Sounds like great fun. Wow.

26:44

Wild. Also, you know when

26:46

he's like, and

26:47

the team to make, like, the two

26:49

biggest chemicals that I used. I was expecting him

26:51

to be, like, poppers and, you know, like,

26:53

maybe ecstasy or something. No. Just

26:56

ketamine. and meth. Okay.

26:58

Like, yeah, like fucking big boys.

27:00

Yeah. So

27:01

yeah, he's he's gone wild. He loves it,

27:03

and he began using the dating app

27:05

grinder to

27:06

regularly meet men, to have these

27:08

chem six parties, and it

27:10

wasn't long before he became completely immersed

27:12

in a world fueled. by

27:14

drugs and sex. because also he did have a job. Okay. So,

27:17

you know, sex and drugs, that's what he's

27:19

doing. His chaotic

27:20

lifestyle, understandably,

27:22

was quite quickly

27:23

spiraling out with control. Sounds

27:25

like

27:25

it already yeah. He's gone,

27:27

like, he's gone wild. He really

27:29

has. Essentially,

27:31

he was

27:32

spiraling out of control. He's

27:35

unemployed living alone in his

27:37

apartment in Southwark, which is

27:39

in London. and

27:39

he became kind of a hermit. So he was only

27:41

really going out at nighttime and

27:43

mostly sort of only interacting

27:46

with people through the grinder

27:48

app. looking for sex. Right. So he wasn't

27:50

getting those kind of, like, normal

27:52

day to day social interactions

27:54

-- Yeah. -- that you'd that you would

27:56

get those everyday decomping to

27:58

the supermarket or

27:59

making someone for lunch. Exactly. It's

28:02

like just, yeah, interacting with

28:03

everyday people every day. Yeah. Catching up

28:05

with friends going to the pub.

28:07

it sounds very isolating -- Yeah. --

28:10

and very damaging because that those

28:12

kind of sort of every day, just even

28:14

like a quick chat with

28:16

Kashy. like, those kind of things keep

28:18

you grounded. It does doesn't it? Yeah. Sometimes it

28:20

can make your day when someone is really

28:22

nice do or you or you make their

28:24

day when you compliment them or something, and then it's just this

28:27

reciprocated. And it reminds you that you are an actual

28:29

person, like you are a human being who lives in

28:31

the world. we're all sort of doing the

28:33

same things. We all live on this

28:35

planet together. Yeah. Yeah. So

28:37

he wasn't getting any of that. He was

28:39

alone. And obviously, the social interactions that

28:41

he was getting probably weren't that meaningful.

28:43

No. So and this lifestyle

28:46

that was spinning out of control was about to

28:48

prove deadly. Oh god.

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Okay. Hold on to your hacks with

31:08

diving back in. On the afternoon of

31:10

April first, two thousand and sixteen,

31:13

Stefano Breetsie

31:13

started messaging a guy on Grindr

31:16

and invited to his place to have

31:18

sex. The

31:18

man was fifty nine year old policeman

31:21

Gordon Temple. Emily Pennick, a

31:23

correspondent at the Old Bailey, remembers

31:25

Gordon. Gordon samples from Inverness

31:28

originally in Scotland, and he worked

31:30

for the Bank of Scotland in Inverness

31:32

and then moved down to London where

31:34

he became a police officer thirty years

31:36

ago. He was

31:37

working at the city hall

31:39

in Westminster as part of

31:41

a antisocial behavior team. He

31:44

was

31:44

very popular with his friends

31:46

at around three PM. Oh

31:48

my nice. Oh, I just looked him

31:50

up as well. he's got

31:52

a really kind face. Oh, he looks

31:54

like when he talks his cheeks would just

31:56

sort of wobble a bit. Yeah.

31:59

He also

31:59

looks

31:59

like if he was, like, on the beat

32:02

and you needed help. Like, you

32:04

would trust him to help you. Yeah.

32:06

Definitely. Yeah. Go

32:08

on. Yeah. At around three

32:10

PM, whilst on

32:12

duty, Gordon arrived at the Black Fry's

32:14

train station and made his way to

32:16

the Peabody estate to

32:18

meet Stefano, who was a complete stranger. They just met

32:20

on

32:20

the app. So it's unknown exactly

32:22

what happened throughout the afternoon,

32:24

but it's presumed that they spent

32:27

the afternoon

32:27

having sex. Okay.

32:29

And even contacted other men

32:31

via the apps to come and join

32:34

them. Oh.

32:34

So

32:35

few hours later, around seven PM, another

32:37

man arrived at Stefano's

32:39

and rang the doorbell. But

32:41

after a while, Stefano

32:43

answered the door and said that

32:45

somebody's fallen ill and they're getting treatment

32:48

so the party's over. Right.

32:50

If the man had entered the

32:53

flat, he would have learned

32:55

that behind closed

32:58

doors, Stephane Briggsie had

33:00

murdered. Police

33:01

officer Gordon Simple.

33:04

I

33:04

think,

33:04

possibly, it's a good

33:06

job he didn't get inside the flat,

33:08

but because who knows he was so mean?

33:11

Exactly.

33:11

Yeah. Shit, man. According

33:14

to Stefano, Hem and

33:16

Gordon had got into a BDSM game that involved

33:18

a collar, a mask, and a

33:21

dogglish. Oh, okay. And

33:23

these

33:23

objects would actually become apparent as murder

33:26

weapons. Fucking hell.

33:27

At some point during the

33:30

the call of events.

33:31

Gordon had lost his

33:33

life. He'd agreed to some bondage

33:36

activity with Britney, and

33:38

it's

33:38

believed that that Gordon was strangled,

33:40

and that's how he died. Forensic

33:42

pathologist Stuart Hamilton knows

33:44

more

33:44

about what killed Gordon. So

33:47

precisely why he reduced oxygen

33:50

supplied to the brain enhances

33:53

orgasm and sexual pleasure. It's

33:55

not something that's tremendously well

33:57

understood, but it is very

33:59

well recognized

33:59

and for forensic pathologists

34:02

finding oterotic accidents

34:05

is not uncommon. With

34:07

pressure on

34:07

the neck, there is

34:10

only about ten seconds

34:12

before somebody loses consciousness

34:14

if the pressure is too high.

34:17

That

34:17

means that if you don't have

34:19

some sort of fail safe in

34:21

an autoerotic event,

34:24

you can die very quickly

34:26

because you lose consciousness and you can't save

34:28

yourself. The

34:30

interplay be

34:32

between pressure on the neck and sexual activity can

34:34

be very very difficult to

34:38

work out when it

34:40

stops being an inexperienced

34:42

person in an accident and when

34:44

it becomes deliberate homicide.

34:46

So we

34:47

have safe words. Well,

34:49

if

34:49

you're being strangled, yes, that's true.

34:52

But that's why you have safe words generally

34:54

when it comes to that kind

34:56

of stuff. Yes. Eye is

34:58

too stressful like her girl.

35:00

Ten seconds is not a lot of time. Oh, it's

35:02

not. No. I really learned

35:04

something there. Yeah. And it's scary because, like yeah. Like,

35:06

also like you said, once you've passed out, you can't

35:08

save yourself. In the days leading

35:10

up to

35:12

Gordon's death, Stefano had been on a crystal meth bender.

35:14

All the methy loves

35:15

it. Making him super

35:17

unstable, unpredictable, and

35:19

apparently deadly.

35:22

And as he lay dead in Stefano's flat, Gordon Sempel's long

35:24

term partner was expecting to meet

35:27

him later in the evening. Yeah.

35:30

His Emily. They arranged

35:32

to meet at a local pub near

35:34

where they were living in Dalford.

35:36

and they talked about having shepherd's pie for

35:38

dinner. It was already in the fridge,

35:40

ready and waiting for them. And

35:44

they told

35:44

about recording

35:45

a reality TV show that they both like so that they

35:47

can watch it later.

35:50

I

35:51

know. I know. It's the

35:53

but I don't think it actually occurred

35:55

to Stefano that there might be

35:57

somebody out there who misses

35:59

Gordon

35:59

because he's been on this bender. He's

36:02

not thinking. No. His

36:03

brain isn't. And also, he's also very lonely. Yeah. So unaware

36:05

that Gordon had arranged to

36:06

meet Stefano, Gordon's partner

36:09

started to get worried. He

36:11

called Gordon eighteen times over an hour and a

36:14

half and still had to manage to get through.

36:16

So after leaving messages on his answer

36:18

phone, all night, with no

36:20

response. He

36:21

he reported Gordon

36:22

missing to the police the

36:24

next morning. And by Sunday, April third,

36:27

two thousand and sixteen, the Met Police had launched an

36:30

official missing persons appeal

36:32

for their

36:33

colleague, PC Gordon Temple. Just

36:35

quickly. So that was his partner.

36:36

Yeah. And and he

36:38

was ungrinder. So

36:39

did they have an open relationship? I'm

36:41

I'm not really

36:44

sure. all I all you can sort of from

36:46

the

36:46

sort of what's happened is that

36:48

this person obviously really cared for

36:50

him and they were in a serious

36:54

relationship.

36:54

Okay. But maybe it's something that

36:56

it was just an ad hoc thing and he was

36:58

like, oh, I'm on GE. I'm in I'm

37:01

in the area. Okay. Right. Like, I'll just quickly

37:03

go do this. Maybe in other circumstances,

37:05

he'd have discussed it with his partner first.

37:07

I don't I don't know.

37:09

I don't know. So,

37:10

yeah, official missing missing persons appeals started on

37:13

April third two thousand and sixteen.

37:15

And the next

37:17

day, which was three

37:19

days after Gordon was killed. The caretaker of the Peabody estate

37:21

in South London started to

37:23

notice a weird

37:26

smell coming from Stefano's flat. At first,

37:28

he thought it might have been the drains

37:30

or some sort of plumbing problem.

37:32

He bumped into Steve Harris.

37:35

who we heard from at the start, who lived in the flat

37:38

above Stefano. Walking through

37:40

the flashing and the poacher

37:42

come up to me and sit to me.

37:45

Screws my there's been a

37:47

complaint. And I thought it was talking about my

37:50

then it went on. It's a bit a a complaint

37:52

about a smell in the block. live

37:54

at the top, I didn't realize

37:56

what was going on.

37:58

So we both walked

38:01

up, entered a block, he

38:03

said to me, can you submit

38:05

it now? A little bit. So what

38:07

he what he done? He opened the

38:09

letter box. And he said, but can

38:11

you submit it now? And I said

38:14

know where it smells like? It smells like a

38:16

dead body. Now I

38:18

never smoked a dead body

38:20

in my entire

38:22

life. So he wanted to

38:25

call the police. I'll come back

38:27

up here. I'll knock the window.

38:30

and a fag. Then all of a sudden, when, like, people

38:32

turn to the central heat when you got an actual

38:34

light flew. So I'm looking at the window

38:36

and I fought yourself, hold

38:39

on a minute, mate. We just talked to your door. You

38:41

didn't answer. So how comes your situation?

38:43

I went downstairs on

38:47

my own. I'll look for the litter box. You

38:50

walk straight past and

38:52

open up

38:54

the door. I said he's closing my I said, oh, there's

38:56

been a complaint about the smell

38:58

when the block. So we've just

39:00

gotten a move wrong story

39:02

about that. I'm

39:04

just cooking for a friend, fair

39:06

enough. I went back downstairs to

39:08

the porter and I said to him don't

39:10

bother calling up the police, easing. because they

39:13

know he lives

39:14

alone, so they

39:18

I

39:18

think the smell, their consent, that it was he He's

39:21

digesting. Yeah. So by knowing that

39:23

he's there, okay. Well, There

39:25

can't possibly be another dead person in there because that would

39:27

be ludicrous. Yeah. But they

39:29

were wrong.

39:32

Yeah. The smell of the dead

39:34

body was obviously attracting attention in the building, and Stefano needed to move

39:36

quickly to deal with it.

39:40

So

39:40

so remember

39:41

he was

39:44

obsessed with breaking bad.

39:46

Yep. He went to

39:47

a local

39:50

DIY

39:50

shop. and bought a few different things.

39:52

He bought buckets,

39:55

the rubber gloves,

39:56

robert love cleaning

39:57

products, and a large

39:59

perf

39:59

rated metal sheet, which

40:02

he used to dismember the body.

40:06

Then, he buys

40:08

acid. Where do you buy

40:09

acid from? I don't know.

40:11

Being cute, you ain't gonna be able to get you

40:13

aren't gonna be able to get any really

40:16

good acid just generally over the counter because that kind of substance is

40:18

really heavily regulated. My god. You can

40:20

buy brick battery acid.

40:22

Brick acid.

40:24

commercial high hydrochloric acid?

40:27

Amazon? Yeah. My

40:28

god. On break,

40:29

don't don't recommend you buy acid

40:32

from Amazon. Thank you. I think

40:34

that yes. Sounds like a terrible idea.

40:36

Yeah. Walter

40:37

White in breaking

40:39

bad uses sulphuric acid

40:41

because he has he has loads

40:43

because he's a scientist because he's a science teacher. Exactly. Yeah. So

40:45

inspired by Walter White, Stefano

40:48

tries to dissolve parts of

40:51

Gordon's body, but he

40:54

just bought a bunch of different chemicals

40:57

and like some

40:59

acid from like local hardware shop. So

41:01

he didn't know what he needed. Oh.

41:03

And he definitely didn't have

41:06

what he

41:08

needed. So he was just making a cocktail that he hoped

41:10

would work -- Right. --

41:12

which is actually just a fucking shit

41:14

idea, isn't it? It sounds like

41:17

Complete shit. Yeah. Sounds like the idea

41:19

of

41:19

somebody whose brain is

41:21

idled

41:21

by

41:23

crystal meth.

41:24

Yeah. So I think this just goes to show that Stefano was becoming

41:26

more and

41:26

more disconnected from reality. Like, that he

41:29

even thought that that would work. It

41:31

really is

41:32

incredibly gruesome and

41:34

this suggests to me that this isn't

41:36

somebody who is disgusted. This isn't

41:38

somebody who is abroad by by

41:41

what's going on. And I think by

41:43

this

41:43

point, Britzi has become so

41:45

kind of saturated with drugs.

41:48

He's become so detached from

41:50

reality that that line between

41:52

fiction and and reality really is

41:54

completely crossed and completely

41:56

blurred. He also

41:57

went to engrinder and

41:59

tried to cover

41:59

his tracks and lay a false

42:02

trail to put anyone

42:04

off from suspecting that anything had

42:06

happened that was untoward. He disposed

42:09

of other body parts by taking them and throwing them

42:11

into the river. And the disintegration

42:13

then takes over,

42:16

traps in this tiny flap,

42:18

blackened windows with Gordon Temple's body.

42:20

It is almost impossible to

42:24

imagine. what that

42:26

must have

42:27

been like. It's maddening,

42:30

isn't it?

42:31

Like, you can feel it

42:33

making you map, like insane. I

42:35

just

42:38

I'm just thinking about

42:40

this case and various other cases

42:43

yeah where to to hide

42:45

the evidence, they cut up the body parts. Right? And we just say, like, they cut

42:47

up the body parts to hide the

42:49

evidence, but I just

42:52

thought about they haven't had to

42:54

be doing it. And I was just looking at my arm

42:56

thinking, oh my

42:58

god. If you put a saw through that, you'd have to

43:00

go my skin and then fat on my muscle and then my bone to

43:02

cut it off. Mhmm. And

43:04

and people

43:05

are willfully doing

43:07

that. Like, just cutting

43:09

up. Like, it's a -- Oh, yeah. --

43:11

that's a really difficult a, really difficult to do, and

43:13

just so gross and messy

43:16

and gross. Yeah. And and people are just doing that. And and loud.

43:20

Surely. Quietly. Why god the noises?

43:22

Think of the noises.

43:24

Oh, fuck. Yeah. Like

43:26

that.

43:26

No. It's a lot. That

43:28

is a lot. Yeah. But yeah. He is not

43:30

he is not in this world anymore.

43:33

Is he? He's not okay. He is

43:35

in a blue

43:38

hazed land.

43:40

and Meathland.

43:42

Yeah. And

43:44

he's not himself

43:46

by Thursday, April seventh. So

43:48

that's nearly coming up to a

43:51

week. after

43:51

Gordon Temple was killed.

43:54

Yeah.

43:54

Yeah. Imagine the

43:57

smell. Oh, fuck. Coming from Stephane

43:59

just black. I

43:59

can't imagine what it smells.

44:02

It was becoming unbearable. Right.

44:04

Okay. Yeah. So it's

44:05

Stephanie's neighbor, Steve Harris,

44:07

and Steve's brother, decided

44:09

to confront Stefano again by knocking on

44:11

his door and asking what was going

44:14

on. Stefano

44:14

just apologized and once

44:17

again said Sarimane and just cooking for a friend. What are you

44:19

cooking, Stefano? It smells bad. And for how

44:22

many friends, for how long because this

44:24

is a constant smell. They're gonna

44:26

be poisoned. smells

44:28

that bad. So luckily,

44:30

this time, the never ending banquet.

44:34

Yeah. never ending

44:36

back with. And Steve

44:39

Harris doesn't wanna join

44:42

in. So Luckily, the

44:42

brothers didn't buy it, and they called 999

44:45

The

44:45

airbags turned up. Whether or not they got

44:47

into his clothes or not, I don't know. But they

44:49

must just smell smell

44:52

When they come back down again, I said to the woman, oh,

44:54

she's expelled off. She said it smelled like it

44:56

smelled like rotten flesh. We'll move me

44:58

to probably look to each other, and it's just so

45:01

like Well, show me it ain't going. The

45:03

police arrived

45:04

after the paramedics and

45:06

two officers knocked on the door of Stefano's

45:08

flat. He answered the door,

45:11

wearing a pair of pink

45:14

Speedos and aviator sunglasses

45:16

ends up telling their

45:19

offices. I've killed

45:20

a police officer. Wow.

45:22

Oh,

45:22

Satan made me do

45:24

it. I promised

45:25

Satan that I would kill at

45:27

the first opportunity.

45:29

Yeah. So initially,

45:32

k. Yeah. And don't forget,

45:34

he said that wearing pink Speedo's and

45:37

AVA is. I'm asking. Okay. So

45:39

the police officers have

45:41

heard that.

45:42

And

45:43

quite understandably, I

45:46

they

45:46

thought he was insane. Yeah. So

45:48

rather

45:48

than resting him straight away,

45:51

they just let

45:53

him keep talking. Right. This

45:54

is a man who has lost contact

45:56

with the planet, really.

45:58

And he says, oh, yes, I've cut

45:59

him up.

46:02

I've dismembered him. I think the the women police

46:04

got

46:04

supposed probably completely confused by this.

46:06

What on earth you told him? Well, yes,

46:09

I I killed him. and

46:11

they go into the bathroom. It's

46:13

an extraordinary descent into

46:16

madness. When they

46:17

looked around the flat,

46:19

there were buckets.

46:22

of

46:22

dismembered body parts,

46:24

including parts of

46:26

PC sample of

46:28

head, but they obviously

46:30

didn't know PC Temple, so they

46:32

wouldn't have known that it was him at

46:34

that stage. He

46:35

has to explain his actions. He's still very much

46:37

under the influence of substances at this point. He's

46:39

been taking Christopher in quite

46:42

a lot quantities for

46:44

quite a significant period of time. And

46:46

I think that reality really

46:48

is a million miles away

46:50

for him. So

46:50

he's basically saying, yeah, that the most incredible things

46:53

like Satan is is responsible

46:55

for for the

46:58

death of golden sample. Yeah. He's definitely

47:00

lost it when he's saying stuff

47:02

like

47:02

that. He's in cloud cookie, methland.

47:06

Yeah. Yeah.

47:06

there And

47:07

as police searched further into

47:10

Stefano's flat, they found a copy of the

47:12

satanic bible on

47:13

his computer.

47:15

oh Oh, So

47:16

at what point did he

47:18

switch? Well, I

47:19

guess, baby part of this is

47:22

the Catholic. because the

47:24

Catholic guilt. Like, I am perhaps I'm

47:26

doing these things. Yeah. I'm doing these

47:28

things and they're wrong and they're dirty, and so it

47:31

must be Satan. It can't possibly be

47:33

me, but I'm a good parent. Boy, I

47:35

think. I've been overcome by

47:36

this and now I

47:38

am I

47:39

must, you

47:42

know, Yeah.

47:42

He's got no idea. Give myself the dark side as

47:45

it were. On April seventh

47:47

two thousand sixteen. Stefan

47:50

was arrested on some suspicion of

47:52

murder and taken to

47:53

Lewishan police station.

47:56

DNA

47:56

tests and evidence found that his home

47:58

would eventually confirm that the

47:59

dismembered body was that of

48:02

Gordon

48:02

Temple. But it wasn't until

48:05

Stefano was interrogated by police that the initial details

48:07

of the murder actually

48:10

emerged. His court

48:12

reporter, test Delamir. He was

48:14

very forced coming in his interview about what happened.

48:17

And the thing that always struck me about him

48:19

was that he was a very educated

48:22

and articulate man.

48:24

He had an answer for everything.

48:26

He

48:26

wore sunglasses in his police

48:29

interviews, and this is something that does

48:31

appear to be incredibly bizarre. And I think what he's

48:33

doing here, he's continuing to draw on

48:35

that character from breaking bad.

48:37

Walter White's alter

48:40

Rico of Heisenberg who always wore sunglasses.

48:42

And I think this is a way of basically psychologically

48:46

detaching Stephane Britzy from

48:48

the person who's carried out this horrendous

48:51

crime. It's gonna

48:53

say that sounds like, what's

48:54

happening there. Yeah. Like, he's just attaching himself that

48:56

he doesn't want to associate himself with that

48:59

part of him. So he's created

49:02

these

49:02

two characters that

49:03

were yeah. One is

49:05

his, like, fantasy alter

49:07

ego, and then he's himself, which

49:09

he can't even face anymore. I

49:11

think you

49:11

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49:14

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49:14

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49:16

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49:18

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is subject to

49:50

change. He's reported to be sobbing

49:53

and hyperventilating at beginning of the trial

49:55

and was said to be visibly distressed throughout, which is very different

49:58

to the arrogant figure

50:00

that was in the police interview tapes in

50:02

his sunglasses. So,

50:04

yeah, I think you're bang on there. He's

50:07

the real Stefano went into

50:09

that trial. And

50:12

and didn't

50:13

like what he was hearing.

50:15

No. One of

50:16

the most incriminating pieces of evidence the

50:18

prosecution had was the confession that Stefano

50:20

made at the time of the arrest.

50:22

Britzy had

50:23

abandoned his confession that he'd been told

50:25

by Satan to kill someone. He gave

50:27

a version in court whether it

50:29

had consensual sex. had,

50:33

played quite a long sex game that both been taking Crystal

50:36

Smith and other

50:37

Kims. And he described

50:39

a seeding basket

50:42

stick sex game involving a

50:43

color and a dog lead. And the

50:45

only thing that we know for certain

50:48

is that that color and this

50:50

dog lead were used

50:52

because they had both men's

50:54

DNA on them. But as

50:55

he said in his evidence that

50:57

the leash

50:58

just

51:00

slipped and it was an accident, but there were a lot of

51:02

other aspects to the case that didn't quite

51:04

tally with his version of

51:06

events. First of

51:08

all, he

51:08

told a lot of lies about

51:11

what had happened. He

51:13

lied to the man that

51:15

came to his door to join

51:17

the sex party. He then lied again, leaving

51:19

messages on Gordon

51:22

Samples, Grindelwald, and

51:24

he lied to the police after

51:26

they came to his flat and discovered

51:30

the body. Just when

51:31

you think it can't get any

51:34

more

51:34

greasier. Oh, god. What now?

51:36

The jury also had that

51:39

acts taken

51:40

place. Stefano denied it,

51:43

but

51:43

they found evidence on

51:47

that his cooker had used cook part of Gordon's

51:49

body. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And

51:51

it was also found

51:54

that some of the kitchen utensils had Gordon's

51:56

DNA on them -- No. -- which included a

51:59

pair of chopsticks. which

52:01

you wouldn't you know, like, if it was, like, you

52:04

know, carving noise or something. But, like,

52:06

what are you gonna do

52:08

with chopsticks? say

52:09

it's an and

52:11

and there's an

52:14

and. They found bite

52:16

marks on the

52:18

body part. that was recovered. So we

52:20

don't know what perhaps,

52:21

you know, he was

52:23

just trying to separate

52:25

the body so much that he was just trying to use everything.

52:28

Oh. I don't know. I mean, we've

52:30

already heard this season about

52:32

someone cooking body parts to try

52:34

and get rid of them down the toilet. Aren't

52:36

we? Yeah. But yeah.

52:40

So I mean,

52:41

it's Do you think he was aware he

52:43

was doing that? Do you think

52:45

he might have

52:47

been so high and

52:49

and and in

52:50

his sort of Satan

52:54

worshiping

52:54

satan worshipping or

52:57

not say in worshiping, but in his one of

52:59

his tranches, you know what I mean? Like, he's in

53:01

his yeah.

53:03

I do.

53:04

think he knew what he was doing. I think that his the

53:06

meth the

53:07

paranoia, the the like, that will

53:09

sort of taken over his brain will have

53:11

made him act

53:14

irrationally, like

53:14

massively, irrationally, but

53:16

but yeah, I do. because

53:18

they they

53:19

were CCTV footage. was

53:22

played in the trial, which showed

53:24

Stefano at his local hardware

53:26

shop on Monday

53:28

several on Monday, April the

53:30

fourth. which was three

53:32

days after he

53:33

killed Gordon Simple. And that was

53:36

showing him buying

53:38

the supplies which

53:39

did include

53:42

pincers, heavy duty

53:43

scissors, a putty

53:46

knife, and large

53:48

plastic buckets. So,

53:49

like, he went in there with a plan. Like, not just sort

53:51

of oh, I'm making it up

53:53

as a go along. I

53:56

mean, obviously, he's making up because it goes long, but some thought went into

53:58

that trip at

53:59

least. At one point on the

54:02

CCTV, he

54:04

picks up the bucket and it's this big pink bucket and he puts

54:06

it over his head and shoulders.

54:08

So, like, he's doing

54:10

a measure Oh

54:12

my god. Yeah. And once again, in the episode of

54:14

Breaking Bad, Jesse gets in the buckets at the

54:16

hardware shop. And that's when he realizes he can't get

54:18

a whole body in one of mine. He's gonna

54:20

have to cut it up. So we you ever see

54:23

anyone in being due doing that? Run. Call

54:25

the police. Yeah. But also, like, take pictures

54:27

and call the police. But don't go

54:29

anywhere near them. Yeah. Yeah.

54:32

So

54:33

though and and like

54:34

yeah. I just think he's sort of the rational

54:36

part of him has left the building, but I

54:38

do think he knows what he's doing. and I

54:40

think it's just he's he's in this horrible spiral

54:43

descent of a

54:45

broken human being. Well, I

54:48

just get the impression that

54:50

he spiraled. He spiraling, spiraling,

54:52

spiraling, and he's let his he's

54:54

left the past version of himself, who is

54:56

rational, who

54:57

is AAA normal member

54:59

of society,

55:00

they

55:02

are Gone.

55:04

He's gone. Yeah. That's gone. And he is

55:06

descended into this person,

55:08

this new character. Yeah.

55:11

And I think that's kind of

55:13

a lot of what

55:15

the trial was deciphering

55:17

what kind of human being

55:19

is Stephanie Breesey. Yeah. So the prosecution argued

55:21

that air's defense was evil and

55:24

calculating while the defense

55:26

argued that he wasn't a monster and that he

55:28

had no

55:30

recollection because of his heavy drug use. Yeah.

55:32

The one thing that was clear

55:35

was that

55:36

Stefano was sane. Right?

55:38

He was assessed by a psychiatrist and they didn't find any

55:41

evidence of diminished responsibility. And I

55:43

was quite surprised

55:44

by this. They didn't

55:46

find as any

55:48

psychiatric conditions either --

55:50

Okay. -- which is quite

55:52

unusual. And I guess, you know, like,

55:55

sometimes, perhaps with that amount of

55:57

drug use that could induce a psychosis or something like that, but no no

55:59

evidence. night no evidence

56:02

Okay. So

56:03

the jury had to decide whether

56:05

to believe that Stefano killed in a haze of

56:08

drugs, delusion and

56:10

sleep deprivation, or

56:12

if the truth was the version he told in

56:14

court and that it was a sex game that

56:16

had

56:17

gone tragically wrong. Mhmm.

56:19

He denied murder and manslaughter, but admitted to obstruction of

56:21

a coroner by unlawfully disposing

56:23

of the body. I

56:26

didn't envy the jury. I thought they had a real tough job.

56:28

It was a thirty hours of deliberation.

56:30

It was a majority of etiquette.

56:33

tend to do. They obviously

56:35

really struggled to reach

56:37

that verdict.

56:38

On

56:39

November fourteenth, Two thousand and sixteen, the jury found

56:41

Stefano Britzy guilty of murdering

56:44

police

56:44

officer Gordon Simple. And

56:47

the following month, judge Nicholas

56:50

Hilliard sentenced

56:50

Stefano to life in prison

56:53

with a minimum of twenty four

56:55

years and an

56:55

additional seven years for

56:58

obstructing a coroner. He was sent

56:59

to Belmarsh high security

57:01

prison in London. But on Sunday,

57:03

April fifth two thousand seventeen, so

57:06

that's less than six

57:08

months after was

57:10

passed.

57:10

Okay. But almost a year

57:12

after killing Gordon Temple

57:14

-- Right. -- as almost a year to the

57:18

day. Actually, after killing Gordon's Impella is

57:20

flat. Stefano Breitsey

57:22

committed suicide and was found

57:24

dead

57:24

in his prison cell he

57:26

was fifty years old.

57:28

I think that the reason that

57:30

Stefano

57:30

Briggsie ended his own

57:32

life was essentially

57:34

because reality was

57:36

catching up with him. He's now having

57:38

to live with the consequences of

57:40

this horrendous crime that he's committed.

57:43

And also, the fact that this

57:45

crime not only has broken the

57:47

law, but it's broken a lot of those

57:49

moral expectations that were placed

57:52

upon him. as a young Catholic boy growing up in

57:54

Italy.

57:54

The thing

57:56

that was so shocking about this

57:57

case was the way the body was

57:59

treated.

57:59

That was

58:01

Sickening, it

58:04

was necessarily the head to go into great

58:06

detail about it, and

58:06

that was very, very hard to

58:09

listen to that was huge unpleasant

58:11

and I can't even imagine how it must feel for victim's

58:14

family. It is telling

58:15

that

58:16

he didn't tell them that

58:17

none of Pete, Gordon Temple's friends or

58:20

family attended the trial.

58:22

One can only imagine how

58:24

absolutely devastating it

58:26

would have

58:28

been for to have learned for the first time the

58:30

details of his death

58:32

and

58:32

what happened afterwards.

58:34

he

58:35

was essentially stripped of his

58:38

dignity.

58:39

That was

58:41

the case of

58:44

Stefano Britzy.

58:45

Christ.

58:47

yeah Yeah. Didn't see

58:48

that commented? Yes. That was wild and

58:51

it was actually not that long

58:53

ago. which is

58:53

No. Interestingly, it was

58:56

around the same. It wasn't too

58:59

far distant

59:00

from the Stephen

59:02

Port. merters.

59:04

And then there's

59:06

this whole talk about, like, oh, Grindr,

59:08

it's dangerous because it allows people to

59:10

see your location and stuff like that. But

59:12

I think, ultimately,

59:14

all the apps that you see on

59:15

location. You have just no. You just have

59:17

to turn it off. Also, humans will

59:20

destroy everything.

59:22

like -- Yeah. -- he like, they'll take any, like, any app. It be an

59:24

to have a hotel in your teenager. That

59:27

was like this fun. It was supposed to be

59:29

like this fun little game where you could

59:31

chat to other people pool and --

59:33

No. It's like different places. And obviously,

59:36

there

59:36

is, like, there was gonna be

59:37

loads of Peetas

59:40

on there. eventually, because

59:41

Well, yeah. Because

59:42

it's a chat room where, like, they're, like,

59:44

chat room, you'd go on there and be, like, ASL.

59:46

And they'd be, like, sixteen

59:50

from Barnsley -- Yeah. -- but really they were,

59:52

like About eighty seven years old --

59:54

Yeah. -- from Ken. Yeah.

59:56

And, like, they I just think

59:58

predators will will predator. Hate is gonna hate. Play is gonna play. There's always

59:59

there's always gonna predate. There's always

1:00:02

gonna be someone

1:00:04

that abuses the system.

1:00:05

Yeah. So I don't think it's fair

1:00:08

to blame -- No. It's

1:00:10

taking out. -- it's not grinders

1:00:12

fault. It's the the

1:00:14

user's fault. for

1:00:14

abusing Grindr. It's the it's the predators. Yes.

1:00:17

To stop predators. What is

1:00:19

their verb I'm looking for there?

1:00:21

Stop praying on people. I

1:00:24

did think it was really sad that

1:00:26

PC Gordon

1:00:27

simple's family couldn't attend

1:00:29

the trial. Like, I think it's

1:00:31

great that they didn't I don't think

1:00:33

that was right them. Like Emily Penning said,

1:00:35

I can't imagine how horrible it is to have

1:00:37

to hear about

1:00:41

You would not want to hear what happened

1:00:43

to someone that you love so much

1:00:45

to that in that in that

1:00:48

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1:00:50

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1:00:52

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1:00:54

It must have just been really tough. You just don't

1:00:56

wanna know

1:00:58

that name. beat

1:01:00

violation. Well, that was that

1:01:01

was quite quite grotesque. I

1:01:03

must admit, and you

1:01:06

weren't wrong. Said that,

1:01:08

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1:01:16

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