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good afternoon everybody. Welcome to the Do

1:50

Not Scratch Your Eyes End of

1:52

Season Party, really. Surely that's all

1:54

done by now, isn't it? Crying

1:56

out loud. Two woeful self-inflicted

1:58

goals. And yes, we... can look

2:01

at individuals and but we can

2:03

also look at the collective

2:05

which was so much less than the

2:07

sum of its parts for long

2:09

periods of that game. Yes James

2:12

Abankwa came across and got a

2:14

dodgy touch but one of the one

2:16

of the points that was made during

2:18

the coaching at your place or at

2:21

our place this week was the

2:23

fact that formations aren't really

2:25

that important. Well if Caleb

2:27

Wiley isn't so high up then James

2:29

Abanker isn't coming across to the left as

2:31

often as he was in that first half.

2:34

He settled it up. So formations where people

2:36

are playing the tactics of their positioning or

2:38

their starting position and what they do and

2:40

how they do it is also important.

2:42

Yeah I thought that was I thought that

2:45

was an odd thing to come out of

2:47

that. My myself and Justin had a call

2:49

because to talk about it and Justin went

2:51

and attended with lots of others. It was

2:53

very well taken and very well done but

2:55

it was an interesting call. Somebody who people

2:57

will know from this kind of parish as

2:59

well as other areas which was Greg from

3:01

Greg Wendover Horn who asked about is at

3:04

any point that we're going to get to

3:06

play too up front? Well we didn't today

3:08

but when he did make the change he

3:10

bought on not only the consolation but

3:12

hopefully the bright light for next

3:14

season in Mumadoudo Bia who got

3:16

his first goal and what a goal

3:18

it was. So there is a small

3:21

consolation there but from a performance that

3:23

felt... so completely bereft of cutting edge

3:25

after the real turning point in the

3:28

game which was on around what 16

3:30

minutes we look like we are tearing

3:32

them a new one through quadrobar coming

3:34

back in he goes down with what

3:37

looks like a recurrent or

3:39

a precautionary kind of issue

3:41

with his hamstring and suddenly

3:43

all of our momentum and

3:45

all of our body language

3:47

completely and utterly went into

3:49

reverse. and we didn't look like we were going

3:51

to be able to do anything until we got

3:54

a goal back from the individual brilliance of young

3:56

Mamadoo Dunbia. So there's something to look forward to

3:58

and I think we will probably... have to

4:00

start looking forward to next season but

4:02

of course we also have to have

4:04

the woes and wailings of money take

4:06

over who's gonna come in who's gonna

4:08

take Jack for Tadza who's rested today

4:10

apparently he's had a bad toe and

4:12

that's been been affecting him who knew

4:14

who knew anyway there we go well

4:16

before I come to Rich anybody who

4:18

wants to say anything come and hit

4:20

request and let us know what you

4:22

think either about this season or obviously

4:25

specifically about the game then do let

4:27

us know Justin sir are we going

4:29

to come to Rich after you after

4:31

we brought you in to have your words I

4:33

see you've thrown something up about vacuum

4:35

bio on the on the on the

4:37

Twitter page well there's a yeah there

4:39

is a poll there which is should vacuum bio

4:41

ever play for what for left sea

4:43

again now unfortunately I'm in my account

4:45

at the moment and I haven't voted

4:47

let's vote no. Right, so it's 96%

4:49

no after 190 votes. I think that's

4:52

fairly conclusive. I don't ever want to

4:54

see him play for us again. But

4:56

that goal, the goal that we scored,

4:58

that assist from loser was pretty

5:00

decent as well as the finish, wasn't

5:02

it? Yeah, I'm asking for us, I think

5:04

I was probably sort of crying wondering

5:06

what on earth we were going to

5:08

do. for the next hour. Well if

5:10

you were tears you would have seen

5:12

a wonderful cyst from loser it really

5:14

was excellent so yeah but yeah that's

5:16

got to be the season over now

5:18

isn't it we're just playing for pride now

5:21

aren't we I guess until the end

5:23

of April beginning of May seemingly yeah

5:25

yeah not a classic game I think

5:27

David's at Bristol City called it a

5:29

two-one to Bristol City didn't he? I

5:31

think he did. I think he did.

5:33

I think he did. You take that

5:35

pass and you take that finish out

5:37

and it was a woeful shamble. Oh

5:39

it was. It was terrible. It was

5:41

boring. I missed the first eight minutes

5:43

of the second off because I watched

5:45

the Grand National thought I'm not watching

5:47

this. Did as badly on that as

5:49

I did watching Watford. I lost everything,

5:51

did win a penny. But there you

5:53

go. That's also racing, racing racing. the

5:56

same injury because he was, what a bright

5:58

spark he is when he's played. isn't he?

6:00

Just absolutely wonderful to watch. The thing

6:02

is that it was apparent straight in

6:04

that that first 10 or 15 minutes

6:06

which were really positive and it's the

6:08

first time he's had a chance to

6:10

select him which is great and you

6:12

can't have somebody who's worth having without

6:14

the fear of then losing them in

6:17

a way but nobody else individually stood

6:19

up and when I'm gonna pick up

6:21

and boss this game you mentioned about

6:23

loser I thought loser worked hard loser

6:25

never gives you anything less than 100

6:27

percent but the movement that he had

6:29

was pretty much non-existent. We bought on

6:31

Tom Ints to play wide right until

6:33

he got moved for the second half

6:35

was totally ineffective because he didn't even

6:37

see the ball very much. And also

6:39

you can make some alterations and some

6:41

changes from the sideline to be quite

6:43

frank because if you've got somebody who

6:45

is going to use pace and power

6:47

down the outside right, then and that

6:49

being your game plan, then bringing somebody

6:51

in who is an inverted winger who

6:53

is smaller. older than not got the

6:56

pace is going to affect what you

6:58

do in the system and the formation

7:00

and exactly how you look to set

7:02

up and it did improve in the

7:04

second half in as much as we

7:06

sudden we won the the possession battle

7:08

but football matches have never been determined

7:10

on possession it's been always been decided

7:12

upon sticking the ball in the back

7:14

of the net and we other than

7:16

that one particular chance we had very

7:18

we worked very few opportunities and part

7:20

of that was the fact that we

7:22

don't attack with any width we attacked

7:24

for that second half entirely the width

7:26

of the of the 18 yard box

7:28

because we didn't have anybody appearing until

7:30

what last knockins with with Ryan Andrews

7:33

really with any width at all and

7:35

even when we did LaRucci paused and

7:37

Well, no, I'm not going to put

7:39

it in. I'm going to get deeper

7:41

and deeper, and then I'm going to

7:43

put it into the goalkeeper's hands. So,

7:45

anyway, you can probably tell what kind

7:47

of weak I've had. Yeah, there we

7:49

go. Let's get across to Rich, who

7:51

opens us up normally, if you'll excuse

7:53

the expression, like the Watford defence. Well,

7:55

he opens the discussions very well. There

7:57

was a complement in there, and you've

7:59

turned it into something toward... and squalid

8:01

Justin well done well that's what I'm

8:03

known for well welcome to the do

8:05

not scratch your eyes podcast rich come

8:07

on then mate what do you make

8:09

of that highs and lows Well

8:12

before you start rich how's your lawn

8:14

because you're going to go and cut

8:16

it well yeah I've got that done

8:18

quite nicely I hung on a little

8:20

bit to a half time and got

8:22

that done thankfully Evan and I had

8:24

a driveway done so I've only got

8:26

to do the front do the back

8:28

these days so it's gorgeous absolutely it's

8:30

the high of the afternoon it's Scott

8:32

Tingly version honestly you could what whatford

8:34

could come down and play in my

8:36

back garden and Bayo may even he

8:38

may even hit the target the target

8:40

the He had a shot in the

8:42

second half and it went right down

8:44

the centre of the vomitry. Oh you're

8:46

not calling that a shot, that thing

8:48

that went over the bar for about

8:50

50 yards. That was Bristol Bears rugby.

8:52

Oh Rich, you are so negative. Johnny

8:54

Wilkinson does that in 2003, we all

8:56

called him a national legend. Oh yeah,

8:58

fair point, different sport. Nevermind. But back

9:00

to the squalid affair at the gate.

9:02

Well, as you say, I think your

9:04

word that you used, I think, was

9:06

perfect for it a few minutes ago,

9:08

which we would just berest. We've gone

9:10

down with a whimper. Bristol City won't

9:12

have an easier game this season. The

9:14

fact they were taking players off in

9:16

about the 50th minute, relatively key players,

9:18

suggests told you everything that they knew.

9:20

They knew they had the game won.

9:22

And it's just so frighteningly worrying that

9:24

the game plan that included Bach. chain

9:26

it goes because of injury which is

9:28

always likely to happen that we literally

9:30

became to use your word totally bereft

9:32

and I think when the players look

9:34

and see and this is absolutely no

9:36

disrespect to Tomins because he's had a

9:38

good career he was not the person

9:40

to bring on there now framing that

9:42

if you're going to go pre-game and

9:44

say that Georgie Jackfordat say needs arrest

9:47

he's got a toe injury but I

9:49

understand you don't bring him on in

9:51

the 20th or 30th minute of the

9:53

game. My view is you don't bring

9:55

him on full stop. If you are

9:57

making your, putting your thing out there

9:59

to say that he needs a rest,

10:01

you rest him the whole game. So

10:03

what so you look to the rest

10:05

of the bench, what else have you

10:07

got? The only other thing that you've

10:09

really got, bearing in mind that you've

10:11

got a defender that is already absolutely

10:13

cacking himself, bar ran it in with

10:15

pace. The only other person that's got

10:17

any pace over there is Ryan Andrews.

10:19

Now Ryan Andrews to me is not

10:21

a right back, never will be, never

10:23

has been, but he can run and

10:25

he can run a, run down, he

10:27

can cross the ball and he can

10:29

finish. So what do we do? We

10:31

bring on Tomint. And that sets the

10:33

tone for the rest of the game

10:35

and for the rest of the game

10:37

barring a wonderful moment and I'm going

10:39

to say I'm glad I stuck with

10:41

it because as a love a striker.

10:43

That was a proper strikers goal and

10:45

I'm over the moon for the young

10:47

lad and I'm delighted. What I'm not

10:49

happy about is then we score the

10:51

goal and then we do nothing. That

10:53

was the worst 15 minutes of the

10:55

game, arguably, after we scored 10 minutes

10:57

or after they scored. Well, no, 15,

10:59

so we had five minutes every time.

11:01

We didn't do anything. Bristol City had

11:03

more chances in that last 15 minutes

11:05

than we did and we're chasing the

11:07

game allegedly. But we weren't. We don't.

11:09

We, young Mr. Payne, said just after

11:11

our time, we're too nil down, we

11:13

need to gamble. Nothing. We did nothing.

11:15

And it's now, what, 16 points from

11:17

the last 18 games. So my quick

11:19

math tells me that's 54 points available.

11:21

And we've got 16 from it. We

11:23

have literally, the wills have come off.

11:25

It's another defeat. And then he brings

11:27

track for that say, on the 60th

11:29

minute. So what is the message you'll

11:31

give into the Watford fans? If I'm

11:33

going to moan that Chatfordats is not

11:35

playing, and then I'm told he's injured,

11:37

and I say fair enough, and then

11:39

I see him come on at the

11:41

60th minute. really telling me bar for

11:43

a break at half time that he

11:45

couldn't have played an extra 15-20 minutes

11:47

in that game today, bring Jack Vadazzi

11:49

on when bar goes off, put Vatter

11:51

over that side, chat back in his

11:53

position, and you carry on having a

11:56

go. But no, we bring Tom Ints

11:58

on. And this is where I get

12:00

very angry and frustrated with Tom Cleverly.

12:02

And don't get me wrong, the thought

12:04

of this season is down to Pozo

12:06

Scott Dutsbury and Jean Lucanani. What we

12:08

did from January was disgraceful. But Tom

12:10

has been complicit in it. He's for

12:12

various reasons and some of us know

12:14

a little bit more maybe than others.

12:16

He's been literally silent and he's literally

12:18

become under the thumb. Do you remember

12:20

at the beginning of the season we

12:22

had this vibrant Tom Cleverly turn up?

12:24

I went to all the pre-season games

12:26

because I like what I was seeing.

12:28

I never do that. When attacking Watford

12:30

team, I saw us Tom Cleverly... remind

12:32

me a little bit of the old

12:34

Graham Taylor days where we're score more

12:36

than they will we'll go out we're

12:38

attack and our beginning of the season

12:40

in August and September particularly at home

12:42

was fantastic I enjoyed getting going again

12:44

I enjoyed going to watch Watford again

12:46

after the shenanigans that have gone on

12:48

and there has some that's been gone

12:50

on not least the fact that he

12:52

would almost resigned and almost got sacked

12:54

he's gone into his shell and we've

12:56

become is male Mark too again We

12:58

play possession football and we're not that

13:00

great at that. We have great possession

13:02

stats but we have no goals on

13:04

target. Of course I think we had

13:06

two shots on target today, thank goodness.

13:08

Massive double from the last home game.

13:10

So last, yeah we're a last game.

13:12

Particularly, we finally scored a goal. Well

13:14

done young lad. Bayo just don't get

13:16

me started. The guy should never play

13:18

for what for the game. What is

13:20

the point? We're saying the seasons over

13:22

today. The season's been over for a

13:24

lot of. Where we all know that.

13:26

Where we all know that. But I

13:28

think. It's very, going to be very

13:30

interesting now for Watford fans. You've got

13:32

season tickets, you've got to start renewing

13:34

from Monday, I think it is or

13:36

Tuesday. You've got to make your decisions

13:38

on what you're paying for. Are you

13:40

going to be back in Mr Pozo

13:42

again? At what point is Mr Pozo

13:44

going to make the change in management?

13:46

Because he will. There is no way

13:48

Tom Cleverly will be manager of Watford

13:50

in August. So if you're buying your

13:52

season ticket, be very aware that's going

13:54

to happen. I've absolutely put my mortgage

13:56

on it and I haven't got one.

13:58

But anyway, I'll tell you now that

14:00

I don't believe Tom Clever will be

14:02

manager of Watford come August, come August,

14:05

whether he resigns himself and says I've

14:07

had enough enough enough for this. or

14:09

Pozo does his thing with his, he's

14:11

already got his Spanish number two sitting

14:13

in the dugout just waiting to join

14:15

the the other guy who's now got

14:17

his permit to be able to manage

14:19

in this country. That's what you've got

14:21

to make your decision on Watford fans.

14:23

And what do we do for now?

14:25

Do we just sit here now and

14:27

just wait for hopefully a take-off? And

14:29

we, some of us again, we know

14:31

it's gone very quiet sadly, hopefully that

14:33

will change, but... Do we just give

14:35

Potso and Dutsby and that a nice

14:37

cool time for the last six or

14:39

seven games or do we really let

14:41

them know what a fuck up of,

14:43

you know, I'm swearing again now, I

14:45

don't do that very often, but what

14:47

a fuck up of this season they've

14:49

made. We're 10th at the moment, we

14:51

have a negative goal difference, the only

14:53

team bar mill wall in the top

14:55

10 that have a negative goal difference.

14:57

We had every opportunity to get into

14:59

the playoffs miraculously, miraculously because trust me,

15:01

this season season is dreadful. Absolutely dreadful.

15:03

There are not good teams in this

15:05

league. And we didn't know that at

15:07

the beginning sadly, but we knew it

15:09

very early on. It's a poor league.

15:11

It's going to be a lot stronger

15:13

next year with the three that come

15:15

down. People like Its, which are not

15:17

going to be light lute, and this

15:19

year they're going to be strong. There's

15:21

Birmingham and Rexham, possibly Wickham coming up

15:23

certainly in Birmingham, Rexham. They are going

15:25

to spend big. They are going to

15:27

be powerful teams next season. What is

15:29

what we going to look like this

15:31

time next season without Chatford at sea

15:33

in the team, without Saluso in the

15:35

team? And I'm absolutely certain we've seen

15:37

the last debar probably as well, because

15:39

if you think that, as I said

15:41

last week, if you... in Watford and

15:43

you're watching Watford, the only thing that

15:45

gets you off you see is Quadrobar

15:47

and I'll be, any scout worth is,

15:49

worth his thing, ain't gonna take a

15:51

lot of money to get him. He

15:53

ain't gonna be playing for Watford next

15:55

season, so you gotta decide what you

15:57

wanna do. You know, the young lad,

15:59

the bank, I had a mayor today,

16:01

but he's a young lad. He's had

16:03

some good games, he's had some bad

16:05

games. but he's not a what for

16:07

play. He's signed a five-year deal with

16:09

that lot in Italy. Bayo, please God,

16:11

he's on the next plane out there.

16:14

I never want to see the guy

16:16

play for the club a game. I

16:18

don't care that he can't, well of

16:20

course I care that he misses chances

16:22

and he, well he doesn't miss chance,

16:24

he doesn't get there. He doesn't put

16:26

any effort in, he doesn't press, he

16:28

does nothing. Literally in the first five

16:30

minutes I think it was when Bar

16:32

went down the bar went down the

16:34

wing, he's when Bar went down the

16:36

wing, he's crossed down the wing, he's

16:38

crossed down the wing, he's crossed down

16:40

the wing, he's crossed the wing, he's

16:42

crossed a ball, he's crossed a ball,

16:44

he's crossed a ball, he's, he's, he's,

16:46

he's crossed a ball, he's, he's, he's,

16:48

he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

16:50

he anywhere near the goalkeeper in the

16:52

center half, but Bayo is standing almost

16:54

on the edge of the penalty box.

16:56

He should be on the penalty spot

16:58

if you are sent a forward and

17:00

you sniff a chance. He doesn't. And

17:02

we've had to put up with it

17:04

all season. People say he's got 10

17:06

goals. Yeah, four in one freak day.

17:08

The bloat is a disgrace. He's been

17:10

here four years. He's been with us

17:12

and absolutely offered nothing. And I'm sorry

17:14

Tom cleverly put his coat on in.

17:16

and basically said he's my centre forward.

17:18

And unforgivable. Now, Tom is a young manager.

17:20

He's going to make mistakes. But he's over

17:22

a year and a bit into the job

17:25

now. What's going to happen next season with

17:27

Tom? I don't know. I generally hope he

17:29

stays because what is the point of wasting

17:31

a year of experience and then getting rid

17:33

of him. But I'm absolutely convinced he will

17:36

not be our manager in August and that

17:38

will be a travesty. because you don't, if

17:40

you're going to put up with it for

17:42

a year, you might as well just let

17:44

him grow more and back him. But we're

17:46

not going to back him. I'll be actually

17:49

saying to Tom if I was a close

17:51

friend of him. Tom, have a look around

17:53

mate. Get out of this car crash of

17:55

a football club because until Geno Pozzo, Scott

17:57

Duxby, and Jeanale Clarko, Narni, so I are

18:00

out of this epic. club we're going to

18:02

stagnate and just go backwards as we have

18:04

been for the last six years and it's

18:06

really sad and again a lot of Watford

18:08

fans have traveled down to Bristol today and

18:10

if you really seen a performance a few

18:13

are going to have a high of seeing

18:15

the young lad score his goal and I'm

18:17

delighted that he did but ultimately you've seen

18:19

a Watford team go down with a whimper

18:21

again. I can't argue

18:24

with that. I can't argue with that.

18:26

I don't think that Bristol, as you

18:28

said, I don't think Bristol got out

18:30

of second gear. I don't think they

18:32

one had two. And secondly, I didn't

18:35

think that they were, when we had

18:37

bar on, we were the ones taking

18:39

the running to them. They didn't have

18:41

to create anything. They found themselves too

18:43

up and it was very reminiscent of

18:46

the game up at Leeds last season

18:48

where we were two nil down inside

18:50

of seven minutes and they just sat

18:52

back and went well. we don't have

18:54

to exert ourselves we've got another game

18:57

midweek we'll just sit back and they

18:59

did almost nothing to win that game

19:01

and until as you say that last

19:03

kind of 10 15 minutes when they

19:05

bought Mometti on who I think is

19:08

a is a really exciting player to

19:10

watch but their the opinion is divided

19:12

on that up there they didn't have

19:14

Scott twine playing I don't believe either

19:16

that one commentated in all them So

19:18

it was a almost like a workman

19:21

like Bristol City team. They got a

19:23

center forward in Nackey Wells. It's 35

19:25

years old. You score in a goal

19:27

and he had the at luxury about

19:29

outrest him after 45 to 50 minutes.

19:32

But as you say for the next

19:34

game and he knew their manager knew

19:36

the game was won. He knew Watford

19:38

did not have two or three goals

19:40

in them. And miraculous we even had

19:43

one because you've only got to watch

19:45

Watford to know it. And now I'm

19:47

going into Tuesday night. I'm going to

19:49

get off my ass as I do

19:51

for every single home game as I

19:54

have done for about 50 years and

19:56

I will go down to vicarage road

19:58

on Tuesday night and I will put

20:00

my money where my mouth is and

20:02

I will support the team. But I'm

20:04

going really to watch the young lad

20:07

up from maybe Vata, the goalkeeper a

20:09

little bit and a few players that

20:11

might give a toss but only reason

20:13

I'm going. I'm conflicted because I want

20:15

that lot up the road. to get

20:18

relegated. I'm desperate for them to get

20:20

relegated. The only thing that's going to

20:22

make my season enjoyable now and that

20:24

means whole beating us on Tuesday night

20:26

really thankfully they won today but whole

20:29

beating us on Tuesday night. pretty much

20:31

almost secures their position in the championship.

20:33

So they're going to be coming down

20:35

with a probably, I'll be very surprised

20:37

if they don't sell out their allocation

20:40

in the end, having won at Wednesday

20:42

today, they're coming down with a cause,

20:44

they've got a great opportunity to beat

20:46

Watford, very good opportunity to be Watford,

20:48

which will make them very close to

20:50

being safe and hopefully. you'll be able

20:53

to use your relaxing of mind to

20:55

get on them as well, but so

20:57

I'm conflicted. Never want to go and

20:59

see my team lose. I'm a winner.

21:01

I always have been in my life.

21:04

I'm a winner. I don't believe in

21:06

seeing negativity. I don't believe in defeat.

21:08

I want to see and I can

21:10

take... teams being hammered. I like me

21:12

rugby. I've watched my Salerson's team today

21:15

before Watford put out a weak team

21:17

for reasons that are justified and they

21:19

add up and they add a bloody

21:21

go. They got hammered in the end.

21:23

They're playing one of the top teams

21:26

in France but all I'm giving you

21:28

an example of is I sat there

21:30

and I applauded them and then they

21:32

said you had a bloody go, you

21:34

had them rocking you, a lot of

21:36

young lads playing today and I'll get

21:39

behind that. And that's all I'll do

21:41

with Watford as well. But what I

21:43

don't see is enough gold-mouth opportunity. I

21:45

don't see enough off of my seat.

21:47

I've enjoyed half a dozen games at

21:50

the beginning of the season. I enjoyed

21:52

seeing as beat Luton. Most of the

21:54

games away that I've sat here and

21:56

watched have been... Torred, turgid to watch.

21:58

We don't have any ambition to score

22:01

goals. We don't have a center forward

22:03

to score goals that's been in the

22:05

team all season. We're literally back in

22:07

an 18-year-old lad and it breaks my

22:09

heart to see it and I just

22:12

don't like what Pozo is doing to

22:14

our club and I blame Pozo Dutsby

22:16

and Nani, just get out of our

22:18

club. and let somebody come in please

22:20

you've got an opportunity and just make

22:22

us enjoyable to watch. I don't want

22:25

to be in the Premiership so I'm

22:27

not that bothered we're not in the

22:29

playoffs but I believe this season with

22:31

players like Jack bar, batter, loser. We

22:33

should have had an opportunity to have

22:36

a go because we're better than one

22:38

or two clubs above us in this

22:40

league. 100% we're better and we can

22:42

have made it. Rich, last season was

22:44

a high watermark of poor seasons. Yep.

22:47

Do you think this season... That's an

22:49

oxymoron? Well, yeah, okay, it was a

22:51

low watermark of seasons and do you

22:53

think this season has been better than

22:55

last season? Only because of two things

22:58

were one thing, and that is because

23:00

we have... Somebody in Tom cleverly that

23:02

we can relate to in his one

23:04

of us. Now, I think that's also

23:06

been a negative in some ways because

23:08

people have hit behind that a little

23:11

bit and said, oh, you can't say

23:13

Tom, you can't say Tom. I hated

23:15

Valerian Ishmael's football from day one. That

23:17

was different. So I never, I don't

23:19

think I enjoyed one real game under

23:22

Ishmael. They were boring, they were tortured,

23:24

they were handbrake. I've enjoyed some games

23:26

this season games this season. question which

23:28

is not really a black and white

23:30

question but if I had to answer

23:33

it in black and white yes it's

23:35

been better than last season of course

23:37

it has because last season was literally

23:39

up there with one of the worst

23:41

I have ever seen and as I

23:44

say I'm 50 odd seasons into watching

23:46

Watford so it was better but you

23:48

take away that first eight weeks of

23:50

the season or so we were probably

23:52

where most people thought we would be

23:54

and that would be fighting delegation. Tom

23:57

did a marvelous job at the marvelous

23:59

job at the beginning. until Tom stopped

24:01

being Tom and there's reasons Tom stopped

24:03

being Tom and I hate it it

24:05

really upsets me because I've seen a

24:08

man who I really believe knows his

24:10

own mind and was strong be broken

24:12

by people at that football club that

24:14

don't have his best interests and I'll

24:16

leave it at that before I get

24:19

too controversial but I'm gutted for him

24:21

and if anybody at Watford Football Club

24:23

you dupsby or anybody actually bothers to

24:25

listen to this. Fame on you all

24:27

and I know Okay Duchby I know

24:30

you backed him to a point but

24:32

what you've let happen to that lad

24:34

and what has happened to Tom Clevely

24:36

this season from the bright bouncy coach

24:38

that we had at the beginning of

24:41

the season to what we're seeing now

24:43

shame on you all. I think that's

24:45

what a start is always there from

24:47

Rich thank you very much indeed sir

24:49

I completely agree with what Rich says

24:51

about being let down in the January

24:54

transfer window. We did talk about this,

24:56

we did talk to Cleves and to

24:58

Duxbury, but we didn't point out the

25:00

fact that look at Tom Cleveley's commentary

25:02

throughout January as it went. Yes, we

25:05

need to bring in two or three

25:07

oven-ready championship ready players. We all remember

25:09

that. It then turned to, well, we

25:11

need to bring in players with some

25:13

quality and he basically said we need

25:16

to have two or three in order

25:18

to stay where we are, let alone

25:20

push on. Then it went to, well,

25:22

we need to get bodies in the

25:24

room and to have, so that we

25:27

just need warm bodies. And then it

25:29

went to, well, if we keep what

25:31

we've got, then we'll be reasonably happy.

25:33

Now, that went from the start of

25:35

January to the middle of January, and

25:37

everybody will remember what else happened and

25:40

what he had to deal with and

25:42

cope with at that point. So it's

25:44

been difficult. It's been frustrating. But hey,

25:46

it is what it is. Some good

25:48

things come out, which things, such as

25:51

for example, for example, for example, Katie.

25:53

from Voices the Vic fame and obviously

25:55

well known in these parts. Katie hit

25:57

your mic button and let us know

25:59

how you are. Katie are you there?

26:02

Hello, hello. Hello, now I'm fine I

26:04

need to talk to you about your

26:06

eight to z in a minute but

26:08

we'll not worry about that for the

26:10

minute. What were your thoughts on today?

26:13

Yeah I think it's the same thing

26:15

every week now. I think I've been

26:17

lucky that I've not managed to get

26:19

to many games this season because I

26:21

think the whole like season has been...

26:23

or the table so close and there

26:26

was this narrative that we're going to

26:28

win the playoffs and Skye's still been

26:30

pushing it even last week they were

26:32

pushing it. And don't get me wrong,

26:34

like, mathematically, yes, we weren't far away

26:37

from playoffs, but obviously we watch what-for-play-week-and-week-out,

26:39

and we know how dreadful we are.

26:41

I think the one thing that sticks

26:43

out to me, which I know is

26:45

not necessarily the players' fault, and there's

26:48

so many underlying problems, which, you know,

26:50

Rich spoke about really well. I just

26:52

think, like, when... as a player and

26:54

as a team when you are so

26:56

mathematically close to actually getting something that

26:59

if you had just these last two

27:01

months if we had just gone for

27:03

it we could be up in the

27:05

mix and I feel like that performance

27:07

a performance of that hasn't been on

27:09

the pitch like we've watched just like

27:12

a team that have given up which

27:14

I don't I think is obviously I

27:16

understand why they've given up and I

27:18

understand that we've not had our best

27:20

players, people are naked, there's no depth

27:23

and I think it just links back

27:25

to the ownership, the transfer window, Tom

27:27

not being supported because again you just

27:29

feel like you can't criticize him, you

27:31

can't criticize the players because it all

27:34

leads back to the same constant issue

27:36

that we've had for the last three

27:38

seasons. I remember, because I'm finishing uni

27:40

this summer and I remember going to

27:42

uni, thinking, oh my God, like, I'm

27:45

going to miss so many games, like,

27:47

what if I miss this? What if

27:49

I miss promotion? What if I miss

27:51

this? What if I miss this? What

27:53

if I miss this? Well, I'm not

27:55

there for that. And I genuinely, the

27:58

last three years of uni, I've not,

28:00

gone any further and I worry that

28:02

without a change in ownership or an

28:04

investment we just become stuck and I

28:06

think we're already starting to see that

28:09

and I worry for the team I

28:11

worry for cleverly I don't want him

28:13

to be sacked but my dad says

28:15

he thinks he'll go at the end

28:17

of the season. he thinks that they'll

28:20

use it as an excuse to be

28:22

at least not performed well in the

28:24

last few months we had a chance

28:26

to go to playoffs and that's cleverly's

28:28

fault even though it's obviously not and

28:31

I think that even though the season's

28:33

been refreshing because we have had Tom

28:35

and we have had enjoyable games I

28:37

think we'll be back to square one

28:39

in come August next season. No you're

28:41

not wrong. One of the things we

28:44

do when we're talking to the opposition

28:46

is we go we have a... There's

28:48

a thing on the transfer marked transfer

28:50

marked..co dot UK which is a database

28:52

with all football stats of players and

28:55

teams what have you and we always

28:57

go through their last 15 games and

28:59

if I do that to us 15

29:01

games ago was if you remember that

29:03

Cardiff game where we were one nil

29:06

down until the 87th minute and then

29:08

vacuum bio of all people scored a

29:10

goal I think that may have been

29:12

his last I could be wrong I

29:14

can't remember now but he scored a

29:17

goal which kept him in then we

29:19

had that Darby win and it felt

29:21

like everybody was together because there was

29:23

a collective will. This was at the

29:25

start of January, there was a collective

29:27

will for everybody to do well and

29:30

fight to try to keep him in

29:32

place. We had a lament, we basically

29:34

lost three games straight, we lost at

29:36

home to Preston, to Coventry, away, a

29:38

Coventry was away, Norwich at home, which

29:41

was... bad and that was when Veccoombio

29:43

bought us down at 10 men if

29:45

I remember rightly. We drew away at

29:47

Sunderland, we lost at home 4-nil to

29:49

Leeds who were like an express train

29:52

in comparison to what turned up at

29:54

Luton today. We had again another little

29:56

jump, two wins, one away at Middlesbrough

29:58

where we showed the kind of character

30:00

and managed to have a similar kind

30:03

of game but we got the goal

30:05

and therefore then we were doing what...

30:07

Bristol City were doing today and keeping

30:09

it tight and not letting anybody break

30:11

on us and then of course we

30:13

had what will make it a good

30:16

season in many ways is finishing above

30:18

them and also beating them in the

30:20

in at least the home Darby but

30:22

what we've basically done it over those

30:24

last 15 games right is we have

30:27

lost eight games we have won four

30:29

we have drawn four. we've lost over

30:31

half of those games and it's very

30:33

difficult to take a look at that

30:35

and go sorry we've lost seven, let

30:38

me correct that so it's not over

30:40

half, we've lost seven games drawn for,

30:42

lost for and it's I think that

30:44

the lack of consistency and the lack

30:46

of momentum when we're playing has been

30:49

obvious and we've done what Tom said

30:51

at the start of January which is

30:53

without having two to three of these

30:55

players being bought in we're going to

30:57

go backwards and it just feels like

31:00

the momentum the tire has effectively been

31:02

on a slow puncture and we're now

31:04

just we've got no momentum to go

31:06

forward at all. Yeah you could have

31:08

seen this coming from a while away

31:10

and like we all said in the

31:13

moment like when we were winning all

31:15

those games and the sort of November

31:17

like and the Christmas time like and

31:19

we did really kick on and that

31:21

was great and stuff. You just knew

31:24

like everyone was saying we'll win a

31:26

couple games and then we had that.

31:28

Darby game in January where it was

31:30

great and then after then it was

31:32

ever since then really the last few

31:35

months have not been great. Don't get

31:37

me wrong like this season has been

31:39

probably the most enjoyable recently because we

31:41

have had some good wins like the

31:43

loot and game I've seen some good

31:46

great games like the boxing day game

31:48

Darby away like there has been some

31:50

decent ones and some really good ones

31:52

I just think it's there's no like

31:54

urgency to press on and to improve.

31:56

I'm not saying I want us to

31:59

go up, I don't want us to

32:01

go up, the playoffs are the aim

32:03

for any team in our position and

32:05

top 10 and stuff, but you can't

32:07

ever reach any further than that if

32:10

you don't have a sense of consistency,

32:12

a backing of manager, decent players and

32:14

scored depth and we don't have any

32:16

of that. Yes, we've had Tom all

32:18

season and that's been really good. However...

32:21

He's still being set up to fail

32:23

and even though we've tried our hardest

32:25

to show our support for him and

32:27

do what we can as fans, he's...

32:29

still technically being set up to fail

32:32

and I still think that they'll pull

32:34

the plug on him in the summer

32:36

because he's not really fitting into their

32:38

mold and that shows on the pitch

32:40

and you cannot you cannot manage a

32:42

club where you have there's no money

32:45

being arrested into the squad. If that's

32:47

why we're so upset when Bar had

32:49

to go off today or Bar's been

32:51

out for three months, he's all we're

32:53

talking about when Vata was out. Jack

32:56

Vadazzi's not being hit at his best

32:58

because we only have about three players

33:00

who can actually put in a shift

33:02

and when you're constantly relying on those

33:04

three players to perform, they're going to

33:07

get injured. They're playing 90 minutes three

33:09

times a week. Like you can't expect

33:11

them to do everything. We have a

33:13

squad of about... three out four won't

33:15

be here next season. Very good, right.

33:18

Well let's turn to lighter thoughts just

33:20

for a moment if we may. Is

33:22

the fact that anybody who hasn't been

33:24

listening to the voices of the VIC

33:26

each week you've been doing an A

33:28

to Z and so far I think

33:31

you're I think you're at G I

33:33

haven't heard G yet but I've got

33:35

to listen to that. But you've been

33:37

basically all selecting various topics associated with

33:39

what for football club beginning with that

33:42

particular letter and then voting on it

33:44

haven't you? How was that been going?

33:46

Yeah, it's been really fun I think.

33:48

It changes up the style of what

33:50

we've been doing normally just like talking

33:53

about the games because obviously they're a

33:55

bit depressing. So it's been nice to

33:57

get together and talk about other stuff

33:59

and we're talking about anything to do

34:01

with Watford or even just to do

34:04

with football and reminiscing about players, matches.

34:06

the good days like that type of

34:08

stuff so it's been really fun to

34:10

do that and other people been getting

34:12

involved like in the comments in the

34:14

post and stuff so yeah it's been

34:17

really good there you go well if

34:19

you haven't if you haven't heard that

34:21

get across the voices of the victim

34:23

give that list and it comes out

34:25

tends to be midweek doesn't it yeah

34:28

it's normally on Thursdays yeah there you

34:30

go so work so get out there

34:32

and listen so what letter is the

34:34

next one that you haven't yet you

34:36

haven't yet recorded because I won't let's

34:39

the next letter that you have to

34:41

think of and we'll see whether or

34:43

not we can ask people to make

34:45

suggestions in the five-word reviews as to

34:47

what things they should do and you

34:50

only you can use them exclusively Ben

34:52

and Mike and Joe and McCam can

34:54

just sod off and not be able

34:56

to use them then come on guys

34:58

we can we can help but what

35:00

letter do we need to come up

35:03

with? So H is next? H that's

35:05

that that surely has to be doesn't

35:07

it has to be the man from

35:09

Iceland if you remember the man from

35:11

Iceland if you remember? Yes, yes. I'm

35:14

thinking hatters. Oh, they want the, well,

35:16

yeah, two cats. Yes, that's going to

35:18

be a hard pushed one. No, well,

35:20

we will see. There is of course

35:22

Harriet Hornet, her whereabouts. Still unknown. underneath

35:25

the serial and John Stadium. But there

35:27

we go, lovely stuff. Well Katie, thank

35:29

you as ever. Lovely to hear from

35:31

you and look forward to hearing you

35:33

on the voices of the Vic with

35:36

all the guys there. Let's get across

35:38

to Wendover. Now I don't know whether

35:40

or not Wendover has made his way

35:42

Bristol way. He normally would be probably

35:44

somewhere on the M6 at the M4

35:46

even. He's on the M6 he's gone

35:49

at the wrong game. Greg sir, hit

35:51

your micbung. I've got an achete. Oh,

35:53

cranky. I bet you have. And what

35:55

would that be, he says, with a

35:57

sense of intrepidation? I feel I've got

36:00

them at the moment. Hemoroid. Hemoroids, excellent.

36:02

Yeah. There we go. The old pharma

36:04

Giles, never mind. Yeah. Heberoids from watching

36:06

that shite. Has a match ever actually

36:08

induced hemorrhoids? This is a quench kind

36:11

of thing we need to know. Never

36:13

mind. What did you make of things

36:15

there there today? Yeah I've got a

36:17

ticket for West Brom and for Pompey

36:19

but I didn't go today. Yeah firstly

36:22

I think I've been misquoted on the

36:24

question I asked for the forum. Go

36:26

on then. My actual question was and

36:28

I said yeah I addressed this the

36:30

whole of the coaching team, modern day

36:33

football bores me to an extent. Do

36:35

you ever... think we could ever see

36:37

a return to two strikers up front

36:39

and a left-footed left winger on the

36:41

left-hand side and a right-footed right winger

36:43

on the right-hand side and you got

36:46

a round of applause for that I'm

36:48

told by many people I didn't do

36:50

it to get a round of applause

36:52

but I was eluded to a team

36:54

of the past and I said the

36:57

gentleman sat there kitty jacket boy was

36:59

there mine God, I don't know if

37:01

Justin's still on, does he look like

37:03

his dad? It's speaking image stuff, mate,

37:05

he absolutely does. Does he look like

37:08

his dad? And have all his dad

37:10

mannerisms and speaks like his dad? Yeah,

37:12

yeah, lovely boy, lovely lad. And yeah,

37:14

I alluded to a team with a

37:16

pass. And then they started talking about

37:19

formations. You can bring a lot into

37:21

formations, and formations change within a game

37:23

and this, that and the other. I

37:25

don't buy it mate. We've never, all

37:27

season, we've never had somebody supporting playing

37:29

off the striker. I used to love

37:32

to see crosses coming to the left,

37:34

crosses coming in from the right, big

37:36

man nodding it down, little man tapping

37:38

it in. Look, it's simple Pete, it's

37:40

simple. It's not a complicated game as

37:43

the great man said. But it's not

37:45

just Watford, it's like... I can't watch

37:47

a lot of modern day football because

37:49

it's just boring mate, it's boring. Today,

37:51

yeah, just frustrating again, wouldn't it? Absolutely.

37:54

100% agree with Rich. And it's taking

37:56

the words out of my mouth. We

37:58

had that fall back on toast. Yeah.

38:00

So we bring in some. We should

38:02

have bought Ryan Andres. played and each

38:05

of them just sat in front of

38:07

a gakya. How to both on and

38:09

play Ryan Andrew. Just say. the boy

38:11

just go out there and run just

38:13

go out there and run I think

38:15

Tom got that wrong today just Pete

38:18

it's just mind-boggling mind-boggling a week a

38:20

second half we still pratted around with

38:22

it go long just do anything different

38:24

well what there was a moment in

38:26

the second half where the ball fell

38:29

to Matti Pollock and he basically leathered

38:31

it out right side to whoever was

38:33

out that way at the time probably

38:35

in saw or chat and Jeff Doyle

38:37

went and a tremendous long pass out

38:40

and it was like you don't have

38:42

to just boot the ball he saw

38:44

it and he played it and he

38:46

got us on the front foot and

38:48

into the into the opposing off you

38:51

know passing it direct has an option

38:53

and it also has consequences because If

38:55

you're keeping on playing it short, it

38:57

allows the opposition to push up on

38:59

you and condense the play. Now we

39:01

already condensed our play. I used to

39:04

do a thing on Yuan's TV called

39:06

the bootroom. This one could be a

39:08

joyous one because we attacked, we literally

39:10

controlled the ball for... 90% of that

39:12

game within the 18 yard box from

39:15

goal to goal we didn't use the

39:17

width anything like as much as we

39:19

should have done which was shocking and

39:21

annoying but if you keep playing it

39:23

short they'll push up on you you

39:26

play the occasional long ball one you

39:28

take out several players and I'm not

39:30

talking about playing it 50 yards every

39:32

time you play that and I've looked

39:34

at that that to the goal Justin

39:37

you're absolutely right loser plays a beautiful

39:39

ball in it forward takes out four

39:41

players by playing that ball into it

39:43

into Dumbia and then he gave Dumbia

39:45

the option to do what he did

39:47

but that's the point suddenly if you

39:50

are turning the opposition they have to

39:52

step back it is very hard for

39:54

them to come and compress your space

39:56

we don't do it we keep it

39:58

and then the amount of times that

40:01

we have options to turn and go

40:03

out wide or go or not go

40:05

long but break with pace into space

40:07

we don't we turn back and try

40:09

to keep it in tight spaces far

40:12

too much for my liking anyway you

40:14

can have your inverted wingers up your

40:16

ass you know what I mean this

40:18

explains the hemorrhoids I have to say

40:20

paint you'd probably smear honey on them

40:23

but blame Karl Wilson for that comment

40:25

Karl that's your fault Did Alan Hansen

40:27

hoof the ball? No, he played lump

40:29

passes. Did he embolt, Bolton, hoof the

40:31

ball? No, he played lump passes. There's

40:33

still a place for that in the

40:36

game. And I hate to kick people

40:38

younger than me, but they tell me,

40:40

oh, you get outnumbered in midfield. You

40:42

can't play the way you can. Yes,

40:44

you can. Yes, you can. That the

40:47

pitch is still the same size. It's

40:49

still played on grass. The goals are

40:51

still the same size. They still play

40:53

with a round ball. Tom talked about

40:55

what it's fashionable at the moment playing

40:58

this one. Well, do something different then

41:00

from the norm. If it's fashionable, let's

41:02

do something else. Because this ain't working

41:04

and it's boring. Well the thing was

41:06

when everybody was trying, I say when

41:09

everybody, back in the 80s and the

41:11

90s people did play different styles of

41:13

football now because of probably because of

41:15

the proliferation of football on TV and

41:17

on the internet and everybody gets to

41:19

see everybody and try to copy what

41:22

is at the zenith of the game

41:24

which obviously for the last few years

41:26

has been has been very much pet

41:28

Guadiola's teams and obviously especially Man City

41:30

over the last 10 years. But of

41:33

course not everybody's got the money to

41:35

be able to go and play that.

41:37

that that style as effectively as they

41:39

have done and even then this year

41:41

they can see that will wear off

41:44

after a period of time and people

41:46

will innovate but you go back to

41:48

the 80s or the 70s you did

41:50

have teams who decided they were going

41:52

to play the game in a different

41:55

style and Watford were one of those

41:57

teams we did try to but so

41:59

Wimbledon now Wim played an eat a

42:01

five more uber direct level of football

42:03

than we did because they didn't really

42:05

quite have the same they didn't have

42:08

a John Barnes in order to help

42:10

them take up or indeed a Nigel

42:12

Callan they played it more directly but

42:14

they showed that you can still innovate

42:16

and football tactics has been a history

42:19

of people innovating for both formations systems

42:21

and styles of play in order to

42:23

gain a competitive advantage moving forward and

42:25

we're not talking just about about Cleves's

42:27

team this season. We're talking about a

42:30

lot of football, I agree with

42:32

you, you do watch a lot

42:34

of it, and it feels rather

42:36

stagnant and stubborn. I think that's

42:38

part of the problem. You talk

42:40

about people at home with statistics,

42:42

and I think that's part of

42:44

the problem. Everybody's a statistician, and

42:46

an analyst these days. A great man

42:49

once said, football is a simple game.

42:51

Football is a game for the man

42:53

on the terraces. Football is a

42:55

game where people want to see

42:57

goal mouth action. Football is a

42:59

game where people want to see

43:02

shots. Well, we're not seeing any

43:04

of that and that great

43:06

man was completely right. And

43:08

yeah, Tom says it's fashions

43:10

and think, let's just hope

43:12

this fashion changes and changes

43:14

quickly because it's boringly, you

43:16

know what out of me. that

43:18

you know what potentially being hemorrhoids we

43:20

all know this is very worrying anyway

43:22

let's go from hemorrhoids let's keep you

43:25

on the line though there just be

43:27

listening into this if you will because

43:29

on the excellent three counties radio with

43:31

with the wonderful Jeff Doyle and the

43:33

always interesting Derek Payne had a conversation

43:35

with Tom cleverly afterwards let's just have

43:37

a listen to this and then just

43:39

you me and Justin we can just

43:41

react to what he says mistakes in

43:43

the first half gives them their two

43:45

goals. There wasn't too much in it.

43:47

Yeah I thought the start of the

43:49

game was excellent. We created a game

43:51

plan to get our two wide plays

43:53

in dangerous positions and we looked a

43:55

real threat in the first 15 minutes

43:58

and really started on the front foot

44:00

so really... disappointment when KB had to come

44:02

off we lost a bit of attacking output there.

44:04

They maybe smelled a little change in the in

44:06

the game then and St James Bank was

44:08

not put a foot wrong since he's

44:10

been at the club and makes a

44:12

mistake. That's going to happen when you're

44:15

working with young players. We have to

44:17

rally around him now and maybe teach

44:19

him. It doesn't always have to be

44:21

to control and dribble past someone. It

44:23

can go Rosez at times. Second goal

44:25

is hugely disappointing. You don't like poor

44:27

decision, referring decisions to decide such big

44:29

games. And yeah, it was a game

44:31

where there was a draw written all

44:33

over it and the balance of the

44:35

game, the balance of the chances. But we

44:37

took three points at Vickers Road against

44:40

Bristol City when we didn't deserve

44:42

it and that's football. Well there

44:44

we go. The ball going out seemed to

44:46

be a big thing for the guys who

44:48

were at the game. who the fans there

44:50

and also for the staff there. But interesting

44:53

that he as we started this at the

44:55

start at the start of it was the

44:57

loss of Quadro Bar seemed to knock us

44:59

completely out of a game plan and as

45:01

he says there we set up with one

45:03

thing in mind that got taken over

45:05

and then they sensed that we didn't

45:07

really have a plan B properly there

45:10

did we? Well if the

45:12

lot of conduit bra was

45:14

the turning point you had

45:16

another right foot with extreme

45:18

pace set on the bench.

45:20

You've rich, right who said

45:23

that's what you should have done.

45:25

The stream I was, the images

45:27

I was watching. A nicely

45:30

saved there, well done. Yeah

45:32

but we must remember that

45:34

Wendover is now situated just outside

45:36

of France so watching it. didn't

45:39

show the images again. Pete you've

45:41

played, you've been involved in football

45:43

at a much higher level than

45:45

I was and you're told to

45:48

play to the whistle. So you

45:50

don't pause and let what happened.

45:52

I wouldn't blame that. I think

45:55

if Bristol had wanted it in

45:57

the second half they would have

45:59

gone. for it and they would have

46:01

got another one to be honest so

46:04

I don't really buy that it would

46:06

have been a draw to be honest

46:08

yeah I just think it was just

46:10

lethargic make lethargic and when we were

46:12

we showed no urgency even after the

46:15

goal or even before the goal place

46:17

for the boy to get off the

46:19

mark. Absolutely. I think he's got a

46:21

lot of potential, a great deal of

46:24

potential, playing for the rest of the

46:26

season now, chip our friends, let him

46:28

go to Italy a little bit early,

46:30

because he wants to play at this

46:32

higher level, let him get a climatised

46:35

and whatever, and I'll drive him to

46:37

the airport if he likes. Well the

46:39

thing is, some people will hear this

46:41

and say, but of course we need

46:43

to have him, he's only the second

46:46

forward that we have there, but of

46:48

course we must remember that there were

46:50

games when he was available, where even

46:52

Cleves started to start going to be

46:55

up front. What was the running total

46:57

on the poll that we're doing? Is

46:59

it still in the 90s, I wonder?

47:01

I thought you were asking you about

47:03

what you were having for a takeaway.

47:06

Can you imagine their reactions? when we

47:08

get on to the fact that could

47:10

we please stay off of your farmer

47:12

Giles that's all we need to know

47:14

honest running totals two hundred and forty

47:17

six votes oh thank you very much

47:19

three percent say yes bio should play

47:21

for what again 97% say no so

47:23

that's six people in the general Watford

47:26

area police are on the lookout for

47:28

them bless them oh no he tries

47:30

his best but the thing is right

47:32

this is bars best season by a

47:34

long chalk. Bios best season. So I

47:37

said, of course it's bars, but this

47:39

is Bios best season. And of course,

47:41

he'll always have, he'll always have Sheffield

47:43

Wednesday to remember when somebody turned up

47:45

looking like him, but not acting in

47:48

any way, shape or form like him

47:50

at all. Never mind, never mind. Well,

47:52

I was, somebody reminded me in the

47:54

week that Steve Butler once good for

47:56

in a goal. and again and he

47:59

was shy as well. So there you

48:01

go. Well, well, Luther Blissett scored four

48:03

in a game and he was not

48:05

shy at all. He wasn't shy at

48:08

all. And in your scenario, by the

48:10

way, this is why I always slightly

48:12

laugh when people say about the big

48:14

man and the little man up front,

48:16

is normally when people say that they're

48:19

thinking kind of Nile Quinn and Kevin

48:21

Phillips and it works. But Luther wasn't

48:23

small, he could also, he's played up

48:25

as a line leader and all sorts

48:27

of stuff. What you want is some

48:30

two decent, two decent, two decent, two,

48:32

two, two, two, two, two, two, two,

48:34

two, two, two, two, two, two, two,

48:36

two, two, two, two, two, two, two,

48:39

two, two, two, two, two, two, two,

48:41

two, two, two, two, two, two, two.

48:43

4-3-1. but the player playing centrally is

48:45

a player who's got a bit of

48:47

tactical mouse and can strike a ball

48:50

yeah then you've got something instead the

48:52

person who's played that that position and

48:54

has still got some goals this season

48:56

in Ned O'Koehenby yeah he falls between

48:58

two stalls really he's neither one thing

49:01

nor the other he's not a midfielder

49:03

nor really an attacking midfielder for me

49:05

which is a shame because when he

49:07

plays well he can be a real

49:09

asset but yeah Johnston I thought they

49:12

together were left and I also liked

49:14

Wilkinson with Penrice playing off him I

49:16

agree I agree yeah but King and

49:18

Henderson King and Henderson yeah don't you

49:21

reckon though Justin for that one season

49:23

Marlon King was as good as anything

49:25

I've ever seen at the Vic for

49:27

one season Absolutely, he was brilliant. Yes,

49:29

thank God. But also, Darius Henderson, who

49:32

not only being part of an excellent

49:34

partnership, but also a better H than

49:36

Greg's hemorrhoids for Casey's H, that's coming

49:38

up very soon. Okay, well look, Greg,

49:40

we will see you there on Tuesday,

49:43

hopefully. We'll see everybody for Hull. We've

49:45

got the, I just haven't had a

49:47

chance to to edit it, but it'll

49:49

be out tomorrow along with various other

49:52

bits and Bobs and this and what

49:54

have you, but let's getting, let's getting

49:56

to the five words and the five

49:58

words and the five words and give

50:00

you. you guys a Saturday evening where

50:03

you can all go off and enjoy

50:05

yourself. Ryan Crip starts the five words

50:07

without the five words which is a

50:09

good way to do it really. He

50:11

says well well playoffs position over no

50:14

doubt right thing to in my opinion

50:16

simply not ready or even good enough

50:18

to get into the big time. The

50:20

Cripps family are still set for West

50:22

Bromage Albion away. Next Saturday hopefully we

50:25

make the TV again Pete. Well I

50:27

don't know if you've noticed this. you

50:29

probably won't do because if you are

50:31

ever watching we won't use the word

50:34

stream what's the word oh highlights later

50:36

on yes highlights of the of the

50:38

crowd where they go around it the

50:40

crypties are always in there all three

50:42

of them stalking place he also said

50:45

guineous u horns which is very nice

50:47

peat Ryan says I struggled to get

50:49

toehold again Boudomtish. Cone says fair play

50:51

to bio, no matter how bad anyone

50:53

plays, he'll still do worse. The real

50:56

team player and MVP, the goat, yes.

50:58

Dumpier scoring the only positive, says Brian

51:00

Edwards. Ben says Bristol's easiest game this

51:02

season. I think that's a general consensus,

51:05

but I think... just went over there

51:07

was quite magnanimous in terms of saying

51:09

if we had threatened them I think

51:11

they would have found third and fourth

51:13

gear they never really had to they

51:16

contained us very effectively coming out from

51:18

two nil down needing to try to

51:20

get that that as a win to

51:22

try to stay into places We didn't

51:24

really change the formation, we didn't really

51:27

change the individuals and they just simply

51:29

contained us and it wasn't until the

51:31

last 20 minutes when we're throwing anybody

51:33

on with any sort of intent at

51:35

all which all feels a little bit

51:38

too little too little too late. Yeah

51:40

very easy. Well, very little bit too

51:42

little too late. Yeah, very easy. Well,

51:44

at least Dumbia school, says the big

51:47

Kabovsky. Absolutely, it says, picking no striker

51:49

again, Tom. like it. Limper's a fucking

51:51

pirate. So this is a big Lobovsky.

51:53

Why I don't know where the fuck

51:55

from here? What? Oh, I see. He's

51:58

put that in upper case. Where the

52:00

fuck from here? Yes. More punctuation than

52:02

you probably need it, but that's fine.

52:04

which WFC being called out on Twitter

52:06

by stato for criticising the team has

52:09

to be a new level of hilarity.

52:11

Apparently it's a new fandom. Oh okay,

52:13

right that's from Brian. Alan WFC says

52:15

bio is absolutely useless. Only four words

52:18

and don't like to call out our

52:20

players but finally had to say it.

52:22

Well said Alan, well said Dr Dickie

52:24

Sutton says two poor teams, shite game.

52:26

Yeah it was I wasn't impressed with

52:29

them but they've been on a hell

52:31

of a run and they look... really

52:33

solid and organized. It would have been

52:35

interesting had we got a goal in

52:37

that first 15 minutes. and then what

52:40

might have happened would we have looked

52:42

better sitting in the way from home

52:44

defending deep but that hey we know

52:46

gold change games. Gary says please go

52:49

away bio milk says the season started

52:51

so brightly Bryan's back again he says

52:53

absolutely fucking dire once again Mark says

52:55

absolutely fucking dire once again Mark Carpenter

52:57

says Domba scoring only positive there's a

53:00

resounding kind of theme on that summer

53:02

time and losing is easy says be

53:04

Ryan Brian back says three tickets for

53:06

Tuesday for Tuesday available DM me hazel

53:08

Robert says three tickets for Tuesday available

53:11

many for Dumbia I think that's absolutely

53:13

got to be the good news story

53:15

of the days that if you're going

53:17

to look forward you know in the

53:19

season tickets are coming up looking forward

53:22

to this young man being in the

53:24

team what he needs to have is

53:26

some bodies around him and he needs

53:28

to have some backup because at the

53:31

moment it's him and Ryovich who seems

53:33

surplus to requirements. Otherwise we'd have bought

53:35

him back in January presumably. Pete Joyless

53:37

Jones says, how are we not relegated?

53:39

Or playing like that, playing like they

53:42

don't care. Another clue list, tactically inept,

53:44

performance says Hampshire. Just delighted from Hamidou

53:46

Dumbeas, says Lee Stars. Quite right, I

53:48

agree, absolutely. We won the second half,

53:50

made more passes and more possession. So

53:53

plenty of positives for Tom to enthuse

53:55

over, says Golden Goals. Well done. Not

53:57

a hint of sarcasm there, so, well

53:59

done. As Latin Ten says Jack was

54:02

really excellent, Jack was really excellent, was

54:04

really excellent today. Jason says, please end

54:06

of the season, had enough now, Bio

54:08

is a fake fraudulent imposter of a

54:10

professional footballer. Tom does pick him when

54:13

I, then I worry. If modgy picks

54:15

him, it makes sense. I see what

54:17

you've done there. Play in the fucking,

54:19

play in the fucking kids, Shamble says

54:21

Tom. David Sweet says sack the medical

54:24

staff for allowing bar to play. Doubt

54:26

we will see him in a Watford

54:28

shirt ever again. Oh Blimey, could he

54:30

be the dody lookabaccio of the season?

54:32

I hope not. I really want to

54:35

see more of that young man. He

54:37

came back last week and we saw

54:39

the lift in the at the end

54:41

of the game there. We saw the

54:44

lift at the start of here. So

54:46

he's played two 15-minute spells and he's

54:48

been the high watermark of performance. Dumbia's

54:50

goal accepted. Who to blame for that

54:52

says Latin? We are so hit away

54:55

says Latin. He says Latin. I think

54:57

you're a way says Latin. As we

54:59

say, plate of the whistle used there,

55:01

but it still had to go through

55:03

a lot of people to get through

55:06

and Mometi did something similar late on

55:08

for them again. The defending was really

55:10

poor, fucking clueless and fucking toothless, says

55:12

Neil Dean. James Smith says Dumba, the

55:15

only positive really, and Colin Hosea says,

55:17

as disappointing as it has been recently,

55:19

if you told me in August that

55:21

come April we'd be gutted to miss

55:23

out on the playoffs, I'd have snapped

55:26

your hand off. Very good. Very good

55:28

points. A very good point indeed. And

55:30

one that had been made by a

55:32

number of people, and I agree, it

55:34

is absolutely pertinent and relevant to still

55:37

echo it. Because otherwise we kind of,

55:39

well this is the post-match phone in,

55:41

it is there to talk about the

55:43

particular game that we've just seen and

55:45

react to that. But you're right, we

55:48

need to be constantly looking back and

55:50

seeing what the season is. What do

55:52

we know? LeBiglobovsky, let's get to it

55:54

back to the lom forms. He says,

55:57

it's just a massive downer yet another

55:59

season that by the time the season

56:01

ticket renewals come round, we have to

56:03

take a sharp intake of breath before

56:05

clicking the mouse after inputting card details.

56:08

Where are we going as a club

56:10

from here? Double the pain next season,

56:12

question mark? Mal wants to play the

56:14

old 235 system. Malle, you're not that

56:16

old. You don't remember the 235 system.

56:19

Come on. Come on, Hampshire Hornet says,

56:21

I hate Tom Cleveley's postmatch comments, sorry.

56:23

He's gone from speaking and seeing the

56:25

game as we all do to completely

56:28

full of excuses. We had no tactics

56:30

whatsoever once Barr went off and that

56:32

is totally on TC. Sorry, I couldn't

56:34

agree with you more. I think it's

56:36

dead. You have... players to hand, you

56:39

think about what you're going to do,

56:41

how you're going to do it, a

56:43

number of people have come on and

56:45

don't get me wrong, it's always easy

56:47

to manage the game in hindsight. That's

56:50

absolutely, we have to be absolutely be

56:52

fair to TC here, but to bring

56:54

on an inverted winger when the idea

56:56

was to get the ball out wide.

56:59

We didn't see anything delivered in from

57:01

that side, from Tom Ince inse in

57:03

that first office. He's so much more

57:05

effective inside. Maybe that's why we... went

57:07

from going wide to maybe going playing

57:10

the, as I say, the width of

57:12

the penalty box. Jesse Hornet says if

57:14

there are two people, I love listening

57:16

to on this space, it's Uncle Ron

57:18

and Rich WFC2, she says, oh well,

57:21

there we go. I'll do my Uncle

57:23

Ron impression in a minute. I'll do

57:25

my Uncle Ron impression in a minute.

57:27

I'll do my Uncle Ron impression in

57:29

a minute. I'll do my Uncle Ron

57:32

impression in a minute. I'll do my

57:34

Uncle Ron impression, there's just me. The

57:36

minute bar went off the game changed

57:38

in the ground the atmosphere completely switched.

57:41

Tom says, Thomas says, if anyone wants

57:43

to join like-minded people who want owners

57:45

out, please join Chowjino WFC. The more

57:47

numbers of people that get together, the

57:49

more pressure we can put on the

57:52

ownership. Oh, and then Tom's, I have

57:54

to say, well done Tom, Tom, Tom's

57:56

then given us something approaching. I would

57:58

suggest poetry and as we all know

58:00

there's one way to get an easy

58:03

shout out is by giving me poetry

58:05

Don well done. He also says please

58:07

I beg play the kids and drop

58:09

anyone who isn't part of the plan

58:12

next season. I'm absolutely sick of the

58:14

same shit players who are not up

58:16

for it. Bio, Ince, Kayembe, Sisoko and

58:18

all the lone players I don't want

58:20

to see in a lineup again. Well

58:23

we were told on the... When Wednesday,

58:25

was it Wednesday you went along? That

58:27

Cuyenby would die for Watford. And this

58:29

afternoon, he possibly did, because I didn't

58:31

notice him for long periods. Who knows?

58:34

Ellie says, oh, Rich, WFC2, we love

58:36

your analysis in the Sweary Mum household.

58:38

There you go, Rich, Mum, household. There

58:40

you go, Rich, Mum, household. There you

58:42

go, Rich, you've, you're starting to get

58:45

groupies, I think, once, proud club. Now

58:47

run to the ground by clueless owners

58:49

who spin us around. Broken promises, zero

58:51

plan. Potsos ruined our club. Man by

58:54

man. Very good! What do you think

58:56

of that just? I think that was

58:58

mighty. Very good. Very good. Michael Rosen.

59:00

Oh well you throw that you bandy

59:02

that compliment around before I know. Let's

59:05

get into Watford lyrics also compared to

59:07

Mr. Mr. Rosen before who says... Our

59:09

defense, it was shockingly poor. The crow,

59:11

ineffective once more. Dumbia got one, but

59:13

the season is done. It was too

59:16

late to find the barn door. I

59:18

tell you one thing. We may have

59:20

lost seven in fifteen. We may have

59:22

only won four in fifteen, but I

59:25

tell you what the poetry here is

59:27

coming up a-a-notch. Excellent stuff. Well look...

59:29

Yeah, it was one of those games

59:31

and I know it sounds dark but

59:33

at 2.0 this would have been this

59:36

would have been even more of a

59:38

car crash. We had something there was

59:40

a small show that actually they can

59:42

bring in players with potential and excitement

59:44

and that there might be a spark

59:47

for next season but there's an awful

59:49

lot missing at the same time. We

59:51

from what we can tell the ownership

59:53

thing is no further forward now than

59:55

it was. many months ago. It looks

59:58

like people have bugged out from what

1:00:00

I can tell and it doesn't seem

1:00:02

to be moving forward which means we

1:00:04

are left in some form of inertia

1:00:07

once more. Now, anybody who looked at

1:00:09

the accounts last year will have seen

1:00:11

that at one point, at the end

1:00:13

of that account year, we came down

1:00:15

to three grand in the bank. So,

1:00:18

whoever is in charge of this, the

1:00:20

custodians of this club, need to ensure

1:00:22

that the club is sustainable, that the

1:00:24

club is looked after, and make sure

1:00:26

that nothing untoward occurs to the club

1:00:29

in the meantime. That is a responsibility

1:00:31

on the custodian of the club, Mr

1:00:33

Gino Pozzo. So ensure that the club

1:00:35

is sustainable. That's the most important message

1:00:38

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1:00:40

So... We will see how everybody is

1:00:42

on Tuesday for Hull. It's coming out

1:00:44

tomorrow or maybe later tonight will be

1:00:46

the Hull preview with Ant from to

1:00:49

Hullenbeck who's a good friend of the

1:00:51

podcast and a good laugh and he

1:00:53

does the he does the factual fiction

1:00:55

with with Carl and we generally fuck

1:00:57

about for a bit because that's what

1:01:00

we do because come win come lose

1:01:02

come hell or high water. Hopefully it's

1:01:04

about trying to enjoy some of this

1:01:06

and tonight that's a little bit difficult.

1:01:08

But get across to do not scratch

1:01:11

your eyes on Twitter and X and

1:01:13

see the excellent goal and the excellent

1:01:15

pass that Justin described through from loser

1:01:17

into Dumbio who takes a touch, rolls

1:01:20

the striker, rolls the defender, gets on

1:01:22

his left and berries it. More of

1:01:24

that next season would be really something

1:01:26

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1:01:28

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1:01:31

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