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Oh my God, another day,

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It's Brett White.

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Hi, coming in hot. You

1:56

are on fire, bitch. That's

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not that's not just your syphilis. You are

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hot to the touch. Now,

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this is a dream come true. I've been

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a listener since the

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what the tuck days, let's be honest here. I

2:11

love it. You know, all

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the passing of the torches like like

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RuPaul to Michelle Visage. You are the

2:17

Michelle Visage of tricker. Oh my God,

2:20

I never realized that. Oh

2:22

no. You

2:25

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think you can. It's not because we wanted to

2:29

like to be honest. It's

2:31

not because we wanted to rebrand. It's

2:33

because there was some legal

2:35

issues. This is your

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baby. This is your baby baby. That's very nice.

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I mean, I am the adoptive parent who stayed.

2:42

I will say that, you know what I mean?

2:44

You're not like the

2:46

parent who you're the parent who chose. You're not

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the parent who like maybe you're the parent who

2:50

chose like that sentimental thing. No,

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I'm with you that really cute sentimental thing. And

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at first. I can't remember, I can't be bothered.

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At first listeners were like, ew, get

3:02

away. And then the listeners were like,

3:04

you're the only one here, right? And

3:06

I'm like, yes. So I guess we're

3:08

stuck. Exactly. Oscar is the

3:11

ant who comes in every now and then. Absolutely.

3:13

Oscar is the delightful ant. Yeah,

3:17

he's a, and again, we love a delightful ant. Even

3:22

if she won't be on time, we're glad she's

3:24

here. I just

3:26

love to make fun of her for being a late person.

3:28

How do you feel about late people, Brett? Oh,

3:32

I'm crazy in that. So like I used

3:34

to organize going to see the Marvel Universe

3:36

movies. It's like 2012. At

3:39

midnight, whenever midnight showings were actually at midnight on

3:41

Thursday and not this like 7 p.m. thing. And

3:43

I'm the crazy person that'd be like, I'll get

3:45

there at 7 p.m. and I'll stand

3:47

in love for five hours so I can save 12 seats.

3:49

Yeah, I like that. So that's

3:52

my vibe. I am way too

3:54

punctual. If I actually performed

3:56

in clubs as a drag queen, baby, I would

3:58

be there on time. I get it. I get

4:00

you. I get you. When

4:03

I'm doing my crunchy drag like I am on December

4:05

7th, I

4:08

when I do the crunchy drag, I am the

4:10

on time queen, which is so weird. It's weird

4:12

and strange. And I'm the one who's in my

4:14

tights 40 minutes before the show

4:16

starts. But I know.

4:18

Yeah. But hey, I respect time.

4:21

I respect time. Late people are rude. I

4:24

said it. Wow. You're

4:27

dragging our click crown to global

4:29

queen. We are. We are.

4:32

We are dragging her. I just, you know,

4:34

the queen of late people should be held

4:36

accountable more often. You

4:38

know, they get away with a lot and they get

4:41

away with excuses that are really just lies. You

4:44

know what I mean? Something crazy did not happen

4:47

this morning. You're just you're just you're just lying.

4:49

You're just like and you just

4:51

couldn't set your alarm five minutes earlier. Whatever

4:53

the don't get me started. Actually, I'll be

4:55

talking about this soon on dropout. So go

4:58

watch dropout. I'll explain the rules of

5:00

lateness sometime soon on dropout. Love

5:02

it. Love it. Love it. So my

5:05

dear, dear friend, you know. Oh,

5:08

you're like, hold on. Oh, God,

5:10

people like me. Yeah. Oh, my

5:12

God. You have an X-Men arcade

5:14

behind you. It's a knockoff.

5:16

I mean, it's a recruit. It's a reproduction.

5:19

But yeah, I have my X-Men office. This

5:21

is part of the. The world is ending

5:23

and the millennials don't get retirement. So just

5:26

spend all your money now. Spend your money.

5:28

You know, why not? Nothing has

5:31

made me want to goon more

5:33

than the sound that Colossus makes.

5:35

What? Yeah, that's that was my

5:37

first gooning. When I heard that

5:40

at at at my local

5:42

arcade, I went, oh, yeah,

5:45

that's I will be someone. Oh,

5:47

no, yeah. Yeah, that's my I

5:50

will edge and I will edge

5:52

myself one day soon. I

5:55

love it. I you have a tube TV behind you. You

5:57

I love how maximalist you are right now.

5:59

I really do. Oh Max, oh yes, this

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little thing, this cornucopia of action

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figures. Someone's coping with depression by just buying

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a whole bunch of old G.I. Joes on

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eBay because G.I. Joes are camp, I'm just

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saying. G.I. Joe! That

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show is very gay. It's very gay. And

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I will be exploring its homosexuality on my

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new website, Pop Heist, he said. Talk to

6:21

me! Okay, wait. If

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we don't know already, tell me just a little bit

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about what you do at Pop Heist, if you can

6:29

talk about it. So yeah,

6:31

I'm coming off of seven years as

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a senior reporter at decider.com where I

6:36

covered Drag Race, to

6:38

wowee, two time wowee nominee. I

6:40

lost to a book club and

6:42

something else, but whatever. Brett, that's

6:45

fucking fantastic. That's

6:47

fantastic. To be nominated.

6:49

And so I know, I know,

6:51

I almost won the little can with the squirrel, I

6:53

think is what it is, I don't know. But

6:56

no, now I'm launching my own website

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with a team of brilliant

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geniuses that is not beholden

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to algorithms and corporations. Okay.

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It is, it's, you know, there's a lot

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of that energy going on because every website's

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having like mass layoffs and everyone's like, well,

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screw this, we're doing our own thing. That

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is what I am doing. Love that. It's

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writer focused, write about whatever you want because

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we're all about passion and we're not about

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algorithms. So please, popheist.com, launching December 2nd, please

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go to the website and subscribe. Please,

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oh my God. It's a great name.

7:29

It's a catchy vibe. You immediately are

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like, okay, I want to do this.

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It also sounds like Popeyes, which

7:36

I'm not opposed to. Yummy, Popeyes

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is yummy and it's the best

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fried chicken sandwich. I said what

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I said. Love that, love that

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content from Popeyes as my managing

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editor quoted. Get

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your info at Popeyes, you know.

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That's it, that's it. Okay,

7:56

where do you, Brett, you're obviously a

7:58

drag race. Stan, you know. You shit.

8:01

What? Yeah. Talk to me. Is

8:04

there anything you want to say about the general state

8:06

of drag race before we dive into UK six? Well,

8:09

I think that we are all ready to

8:11

start eulogizing. I think that we're about to

8:13

put the casket six feet under after global

8:16

all stars. I know. But how did hottest

8:18

take? Yeah. They saved the best for last,

8:20

much like Vanessa Williams, R.I.P. Queen of the

8:22

universe. They saved the best for last because

8:25

you came. Down

8:28

under surprisingly and also the way

8:30

that one more time. I'm living.

8:32

I'm I'm I can't believe that

8:34

it's a maybe three more seasons

8:36

of drag race simultaneously. Controversial

8:41

down under. No,

8:44

I I started down

8:46

under our and Canada. I haven't

8:48

seen Canada, but I already had a friend say, bitch,

8:50

it's good. Mm hmm. And

8:53

you. Yeah, you know,

8:55

I wonder if you know what it is. I

8:58

feel like there's there's so many drag

9:00

races that like the people who are

9:03

offshoots of the franchise are fans of

9:05

the core franchise. And maybe they're less

9:07

afraid to perfect or change what works

9:10

or doesn't work. This is the Canada

9:12

thing. And I think that y'all talk

9:14

about this on Canada, all stars or

9:16

Canada versus the world, whatever. The Golden

9:19

Beaver thing, I think, is an amazing

9:21

twist. It's great because it gives the

9:23

Queen's actual power while also still the

9:26

producers decide who goes home. Yes, ultimately,

9:28

but it's still but it still gives enough

9:30

agitation. Yes, I think it's great. And I think

9:32

that lip syncing for the win is never as

9:34

good as lip syncing for your life. Like, let's

9:36

get rid of it. No,

9:39

the win, the legacy, it just doesn't

9:41

work. No, no, no

9:43

stakes. There's no stakes. But yeah, you're

9:45

right. There's a little bit of meritocracy and a

9:47

little bit of not. Yeah,

9:50

a little bit of the drama of saving your

9:52

sisters and a little bit of the fun of

9:55

fucking make it work. I'm just

9:57

someone saying I don't feel like lip syncing today.

10:00

I just don't. I

10:02

want to. I

10:04

want to. Don't feel it in my fantasy.

10:07

I'm sorry, y'all. I

10:09

just don't feel like it. I do have

10:11

a story about past trauma, though. Can

10:15

I just do a 30 minute talking head

10:17

about that? I got a

10:19

PowerPoint projected on my gown, you know.

10:22

It's great. But.

10:26

Oh, my God. And you

10:28

might feel this, too, like after starting

10:30

doing drag, I now do watch Drag

10:32

Race differently in that like there

10:34

are queens that I like and then there are queens

10:37

that I see. Oh, I am that queen. Yeah,

10:40

they aren't necessary. The drag that I do

10:43

is also not the drag that I necessarily

10:45

gravitate to towards on Drag Race. Yeah, it's

10:47

like an interesting new angle. Yeah,

10:49

I think I'm full of shit. I

10:52

do. I do. Any

10:55

40 year old are over. I'm

10:57

like, oh, Ken Kaboodle, I see

11:00

you. Absolutely. Ken Kaboodle. I

11:03

need to have her on because I was messaging with

11:05

her during her season and she was like, oh, just

11:07

ask me to come back when I'm allowed to. I

11:10

love Ken Kaboodle. And now

11:13

she's certainly allowed to. Secret trade. Like

11:16

she would post photos of her from like

11:18

10, 15 years ago. And she's like, Jesus,

11:20

like daddy, like very hot and handsome. Me.

11:24

I'm very like I see

11:27

like like I would never have expected

11:29

that I would be like a Mrs. Kasia Davis

11:31

kind of drag queen. Like when I first started, I

11:34

thought I was going to be a lot more tricksy

11:36

and stuff. But it's like, no, I'm just like I'm

11:38

old and campy and like, you know, whatever. Yeah, I

11:40

fucking get that. I get that. That's a reality. It's

11:44

a humbling reality when you're like, who do I think I

11:47

am versus who am I actually?

11:49

Yeah. I mean, I think that like,

11:52

well, I guess on UK for I'm like, well,

11:55

I think I'm a love, but I'm probably a

11:57

little and that's like, hey, that's actually good. Yeah,

11:59

that's actually great. That's actually, that's a good trait.

12:02

That's a good, I

12:04

know it's like, I always, I like

12:06

to fantasize, I like

12:08

to fantasize that I'm Plastique Tierra, but

12:10

in all honesty, I'm Suga Kane. Oh,

12:13

but Suga Kane, you have like a nine

12:15

to five corporate job until 30A, and it

12:18

was like, bitch, we're working it now. And

12:20

we love it. But no, but I'm Suga

12:22

Kane in the blue troll outfit. With

12:26

the jewel on the tummy. Honestly,

12:29

a troll stall runway. If Drag

12:31

Race was owned by Universal and not Viacom,

12:33

we would have gotten a tie in

12:35

to Trolls 2 or whatever. That's true. I

12:38

mean, here's what I'll say is that

12:40

they'll do a, they'll do a something.

12:42

Look, they're never above product placement. So the

12:44

second they're like, No, we had a

12:46

Doctor Who runway this season. That was insane.

12:49

Duts. We've had a frozen runway.

12:51

We've had a couple of weird

12:54

ones that were weird cross promotions.

12:57

God, no. But yeah,

12:59

since starting Drag as Barb Hardly, it's been a

13:01

lot of, it's been a, you know, I now

13:03

can like recognize like, Oh, I think I've seen

13:06

that jewelry on Amazon. Absolutely. I am

13:08

an Amazon queen. Absolutely. It's very affordable.

13:10

When you see those, they'll stick on

13:12

face jewels. You're like, I know exactly

13:14

what unpronounceable Chinese

13:17

manufacturer makes those. It's either shui

13:19

whip or jump lip. Like it's

13:21

always. And they're all the exact

13:24

same thing. They're the exact same

13:26

thing. And I love the

13:28

brands that are just letters that haven't been put

13:30

together yet. That's the brand. Yeah. Yeah.

13:33

Yeah. Yeah. I also love,

13:35

so my vibe is so like Barb

13:37

Hardly is like, if Ava Gabor and

13:39

Blanche Devereaux went to Bob Mackey

13:42

in the 70s, it got a custom look.

13:44

Like that's kind of the vibe. But what

13:46

I've discovered is that also modern 21st century

13:48

club wear also hits that same vein if

13:51

I wear it. Mm hmm. Like

13:53

the same kind of like deep cut,

13:56

high slit, sequin, like gown

13:58

kind of thing is. very like I'm

14:00

at the club right now and I'm

14:02

a hot young girl. I

14:05

put it on. I'm a 40 year old man. Yeah,

14:07

yeah, yeah. It automatically is. This

14:09

is Sunny and Cher. Drag is humbling that

14:11

way. I mean, frankly, OK, we're going to

14:13

get into it because in general,

14:16

this has always been true in drag race, like

14:19

what they the way they see you

14:22

is how your drag is

14:24

received. And like if

14:27

they're sold on you, the

14:29

choices, a shitty choice

14:31

can be a revelation. And if they

14:33

don't like you, a beautiful

14:36

gown can be garbage. Like it's

14:38

oh, yeah, it's so much in the eye of

14:40

the beholder. And

14:42

it's always good for the queens. I always

14:45

say that Crystal Method has like the perfect

14:47

drag race arc because you know, absolutely like

14:49

week two when Ruth Paul, when Michelle's like,

14:51

you're going to do that every week, that

14:54

makeup. Yeah. You're like, oh, well, we know

14:56

this trajectory. She's going home next week. But

14:58

seeing watching Crystal Method in that season apply

15:00

every single note and learn and

15:03

grow and peek at the right time. It

15:05

does have the perfect arc. That

15:07

was great because she realized, oh, this is

15:09

how the show is seeing me. You got

15:11

to also play the game behind the scenes.

15:13

See, and not just the game on the

15:16

stage. Exactly. And that's not to invoke sugar

15:18

cane so many times. She

15:20

she will pop up from the ether. She

15:22

will pop up in the which look like

15:25

because she busted through the mirror. Oh, yeah.

15:28

I would say sugar cane is a

15:30

great example of like, she literally did

15:32

nothing wrong. Like the week

15:34

she went on the winning team. She

15:36

was on the winning team. Her look

15:38

was exquisite. She gave

15:41

them exactly what they asked of her. And they were

15:43

like, we just have decided you have to go. It's

15:46

your time. It's your time. It's your time. OK, we're

15:48

going to actually talk about this season, but we're actually

15:50

going to take a break real quick. So silence,

15:53

Brett. Oh. Yeah, shut the fuck up. I

15:55

feel like taking a break. Oh, my God.

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Willow Pitt. Funny you should say

20:15

that because what you're describing is

20:17

a Brady Bunch situation where RuPaul

20:19

is- Don't get me started. Has

20:21

just, I shouldn't get you started.

20:23

Don't get me started on dragging the classics,

20:25

one of the greatest things to ever occur

20:28

in pop culture. I did the pop culture

20:30

at desider.com. I gave it a glowing review.

20:32

You gave the drag race,

20:35

Brady Bunch crossover. Perfect.

20:39

Yeah, I bet. Pop culture. I bet you

20:41

loved it. Magnafique. Magnafique. And the

20:43

fact that they used the same script that

20:45

didn't change it, perfect choice.

20:47

I know that was perfect. Perfect choice.

20:51

But no, I think the Makeover Challenge for UK

20:54

was like the first time I've seen a Makeover Challenge

20:56

judge fairly. Oh,

20:59

interesting. Wildly. When

21:02

I was like, yeah, I guess cheer and take, compared to

21:04

everyone else is in the bottom. Yeah, you're

21:06

right. It was judged

21:08

fairly. It was an unbelievably cute. I've

21:11

certainly had feelings in past challenges, but

21:13

they really wrung the emotions out of

21:15

us. Like a filthy

21:17

cum rag. They really, they got every

21:20

dropout. Just bringing in

21:22

an 80 year old man in and putting him in

21:24

heels and having him- Oh my God. Come

21:26

so close to coming out of the closet. And

21:29

this week- Brett, you know I feel

21:31

the same way. Poor

21:34

sweet man. I love him. So

21:37

here we are, we're back in. And

21:39

this week is the Roast Challenge. Oh

21:42

my God. Some people have

21:44

feelings about doing roasts. Most

21:46

importantly, Ralisa Lisa Lisa is

21:48

worried about the roast, but

21:50

good news. She gets the

21:53

privilege of deciding the order.

21:56

Oh yes. What'd you think? The curse. I mean,

21:58

it's good for screen time. I was like, take

22:00

I mean, milk that shit. They did have to

22:02

feel she did milk it. They had to really

22:04

feel the air time in this episode of a

22:07

little bit, a little bit. They were like, What are we? What is

22:09

what are we doing this episode? So this is

22:12

where I'm like a type A brain. And yes,

22:14

obviously I have, you know, contemplated that like, if

22:16

I was on if Barb went on Drag Race,

22:18

what would I do, etc? How would I prepare?

22:21

And I'm crazy. So it's just like, OK,

22:23

so I was on match game. Oh,

22:26

my God. You see, Alec Baldwin match

22:28

game. I was on that. That's amazing.

22:32

Which is a dream come true. I got to invoke

22:34

Charles Nelson Riley on ABC. Did he try to shoot

22:36

you? Perfect. Did he try to shoot you? No, this

22:38

was before he went gun crazy. OK,

22:41

great. I worry for you. I

22:44

know. I mean, he was packing. Oh, what was

22:46

he packing? What? I don't know.

22:48

Young Alec Baldwin is hot. Oh, I definitely think

22:50

Young Alec Baldwin is hot and working girl. Are

22:52

you fucking kidding me? God, yeah. Nail me to

22:55

the wall and peel my skin off. I just

22:57

want everyone to know that's what I feel about

22:59

Young Alec Baldwin. And now he's a bad man.

23:01

Yeah. But no, but for that, I

23:04

like watched every single episode of the ABC match

23:06

game and made a database about like which celebrities

23:08

I'm most likely to match with if they end

23:10

up on the panel, etc. I'm crazy. So I

23:12

don't understand getting cast on Drag Race and you

23:14

don't go in at

23:16

least knowing, watching another comedian special

23:18

to rip off their jokes, because

23:20

that is fine. We

23:22

have accepted that that is OK. And I

23:24

go for it. We live in a world,

23:27

yes, where you can just verbatim steal someone's

23:29

jokes and that's fine on Drag Race. I

23:32

would. And again, I said the problematic thing I

23:34

would say is steal more

23:36

smart, steal smart. Like

23:39

if you like that joke, just be like, OK,

23:41

I see what they did. They said

23:44

you've been nominated for so many

23:47

awards. I can like steal that

23:49

structure. Too bad

23:51

you've also been nominated for ugliest

23:53

bitch alive. Like whatever,

23:56

whatever structure, steal the structure. Don't say

23:58

the exact same joke. they're

24:02

Mad Libs and you just plug in

24:04

the specifics of everything. I always say

24:06

like the most impressed

24:09

I've ever been at a reading challenge I think

24:11

is All Stars 3 when

24:13

B.B. shows up and I think, so,

24:15

because you know like they did not

24:17

prepare B.B. jokes. Right. Because they

24:20

didn't know she was gonna be on the show. And so

24:22

then hearing like De La and

24:24

like, I think Trixie also had a really

24:26

good one. De La's crown has a crown

24:28

joke. That is so good being like,

24:30

well you might setting you up for a second

24:32

crown, which isn't that many, there's not that much

24:34

dental work when you think about the early seasons.

24:38

Yes, yes, yes. And it's genius. And she

24:40

had to have come up with that just like right then.

24:42

Oh, B.B. is a genius. She really

24:44

is a genius. Like in every way. Yes,

24:48

I agree that there is a real

24:50

format to these things. Before I forget,

24:53

maybe I won't forget. Okay, do we have anything to

24:55

say about the order of it all before we get

24:57

into the roast? She made the

24:59

right call. I would

25:02

absolutely go for it. If I was Ralisa Lisa,

25:05

the artist formerly known as Ralisa Slaves.

25:07

Yes, no longer. RIP. Do

25:10

they have Ralisa Lisa and Colt Jam in

25:12

the UK? Like I assume that they get

25:15

that reference. They have to. We

25:17

were all alive during the 80s. The

25:19

UK is the reason the 80s existed

25:21

to be honest. Oh, exactly. Like literally,

25:23

listen to Dave Holmes' video, Kill the

25:25

Radio Star, whatever podcast, but the history

25:27

of MTV. Really? Yeah,

25:30

because like the UK was the only place making

25:32

music videos. So when MTV launched, they were like,

25:34

well, we have a whole bunch of videos from

25:36

like Journey and Foreigner or we

25:39

have Flock of Seagulls during. I do

25:41

remember that MTV didn't want to air

25:43

Michael Jackson on until David

25:45

Bowie was like, why are y'all racist?

25:48

And they were like, oh shit. We were kind of hoping

25:50

no one would call us on that shit. But

25:54

yeah, I think you have to go first. You have to

25:57

go first. Yeah, release.

26:00

if I was LaVoie and I got to pick the order,

26:02

I would also be like, I'm going first. Yeah. Fuck

26:04

everyone else. Yeah, I agree. Get

26:07

it over with. I could go second or third, but

26:11

I would definitely, I'm

26:13

gonna have a lot more fun if I get to go earlier in the

26:15

set. Not last where

26:18

other people can do your jokes, also where you can

26:20

psych yourself out. Also, well, I guess no matter when

26:22

you go, you can always start it with, let's get

26:25

this roast to cook in. You can. Which

26:27

it works every time. It works every

26:29

time. It works

26:31

every time. Or maybe.

26:33

We got some of that vibe in this

26:35

episode too, I have to say. Okay, let's

26:37

talk about Michael Marulli, Eh-hoo-hoo,

26:40

and, Eh-hoo, Eh-hoo, Eh-hoo,

26:44

Eh-hoo, and Ella Vidé come to give

26:47

some tips on how to

26:49

be better at roasting. I

26:52

loved this. Yeah, I was kidding. This is what

26:54

I want more from these shows,

26:56

is bringing back like winners. Or having

26:58

Vangie come in to give tips about

27:00

such. Oh my God. That was. You

27:02

see her bring the losers or the

27:05

winners? That was so stupid. That was

27:07

such a waste of our time. That

27:09

was so cruel to the

27:11

girls to be like, I'm stupid. Vangie

27:13

being like, I don't know what the fuck, I

27:15

don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I don't

27:18

know how to do character impersonations. I certainly don't

27:20

know who that person is, but would you like to

27:22

fuck me? Like, Yeah. Would you

27:24

like to fuck? I'm like, Vangie, yes,

27:28

I would like to fuck you. Yeah, of course. By the way,

27:31

I need advice. Oh my God, I'm trying to win money. But

27:34

this is also what I'm loving about Down Under, is bringing

27:36

on, Yes. Actual drag queens

27:38

who know what's going on. I

27:41

saw the pilot or the first episode

27:43

of it. And it

27:45

was fantastic to see Sasha

27:48

Kolbe and Isis Avis-Laurent have

27:50

really thoughtful, great like

27:53

critiques about the drag. And I'm like,

27:56

why has this not always been a part of the show?

28:00

It's because it makes this so much more because

28:02

also like if you bring an Allen to give

28:04

jokes or like it's like, OK, well, that's fine.

28:06

I like that. No, these are two queens who

28:09

went specifically when they asked about the note card.

28:11

So I'm like, oh, that is the kind of

28:13

like granular actual good

28:15

advice giving that I think makes good television.

28:17

I don't know. Like when they actually said,

28:20

like, remember one big bullet point per queen

28:22

or think about how you want to end

28:25

or stacking jokes. I was like, this is

28:27

actually real advice. It's

28:29

kind of like if they would ever bring

28:32

in an improviser to coach them in an

28:34

improv challenge and also learn that, you know,

28:36

improv is not a it's not a verb.

28:38

It's improvise is the verb. I know improvvings

28:41

and they but they love saying

28:43

improvvings or did an improv or

28:45

your improv. I hate the improv.

28:48

I can't handle it. I got I also hate

28:50

ad libs. I know ad libs is a part

28:52

of the English language, but I hate when people

28:54

say you had good ad libs. I don't know

28:57

why that. Oh, it's also I, you know, as

28:59

a farmer, as a former sketch writer at UCB,

29:02

I always get someone who

29:04

cares, who cares, someone who

29:06

paid fifteen hundred dollars to

29:08

take three sketch classes of

29:10

of writing sketches and paying money to buy

29:12

props for a place where I earn no

29:14

money. I always hate

29:17

it when people say skit instead of sketch.

29:19

Yeah. But they do do

29:21

skits on Drag Race. They do not do sketches

29:23

on Drag Race. These were skits. They're always and

29:25

you just did do do. And I as a

29:27

sketch writer, I have to point that out. Yes,

29:30

and heightened to shit. Shit. So

29:34

let's talk about release, Elise, Elisa. I

29:36

think it was heightening release, Elisa. OK,

29:38

I also think it's stupid that they

29:40

have to dress as clowns. I'm like, why? Oh,

29:42

God. Why? Oh, when I

29:45

I was excited. So my broken

29:47

Drag Race brain was like the other day when I was like, oh,

29:49

I'm doing drag her what episode? I didn't see the preview for this

29:51

because what episode is going to be? It's like, OK, it's top five.

29:53

Oh, it's going to be the roast. And then obviously it's the roast.

29:55

And I was like, oh, it's going to be fun talking about the

29:57

rest. And then I said clown. Unthemed

30:00

roast. I was like, God damn it,

30:02

I can't. It is a trick. I hate the vibe.

30:04

I hate that vibe. I hate it. I

30:07

hate the vibe. I hate that it's like, it's

30:09

also, okay, okay. Here's

30:12

a take already. Roasts

30:14

are like, you're supposed to actually

30:16

present as an authority in a roast.

30:18

Like I think the best roasters

30:20

present as this, but it's almost like

30:22

this uber confident version of yourself.

30:24

So it's already setting them up to

30:27

fail to be like, wear this

30:29

fucking bozo the clown loofah

30:31

on your neck and present

30:33

as this uber confident version of

30:36

yourself. It's like, you know, the look

30:38

that you brought that you were praying was gonna be

30:40

a mini challenge look you could

30:42

throw away. Ralisa definitely thought this

30:44

was a challenge look on the

30:46

process. Absolutely. She looks like a

30:48

neon condom. She looks insane. Speaking

30:51

of like the authority thing though, I do want

30:53

to, I was excited. Talk to me. Because I

30:56

wanted to talk about my favorite roaster of all

30:58

time, I think, which is very bizarre and only

31:00

gaze over a certain age. We're gonna

31:02

understand this like us. But do you

31:05

ever Georgia Engel from the Mary Tyler

31:07

Moore show later seasons, she was blonde.

31:10

I bet I would know her face. She

31:12

was like really sweet, sweet spoken. I would

31:14

talk like this and it was very. So

31:18

that is her energy and they would book

31:20

her on the Dean Martin roast with like

31:22

Don Rickles and

31:25

all those old, old bid Orson Welles would

31:27

be there a bunch. I love it. So

31:30

she gets up there. She's like 23

31:32

blonde has no chin, very like, kind

31:35

of spacey, very weird. And her

31:37

bit for doing roast

31:39

jokes was always. So I

31:42

got here and the producers gave me

31:44

some zingers and put down stick to

31:46

say that she would get off the card and

31:48

then she would read it. And it would

31:50

be like, I wrote

31:52

my dad, Don Rickles, you

31:55

went to Jaws and you rooted for the shark. Everyone

31:57

laughs. And then she would look and she'd be like,

31:59

you're like, I'm so sorry, I'm sure you're

32:02

very likable. Why else would you do a

32:04

pilot every year? That's fantastic. So

32:06

it was a great setup of like you

32:08

do the joke as presented and then you

32:10

apologize for it and then get another zinger

32:12

in from a different point of view. And

32:15

it was like, oh my God. And

32:17

it would slay every time because she

32:20

doesn't be like, well, that's my jokes.

32:22

Yeah, I fucking love

32:24

that. Like Betty White has done that a

32:26

little bit when they have her on roast.

32:28

She kind of plays the character of Betty

32:30

White being sweet but then

32:32

saying the filthiest craziest thing in the world.

32:35

And that's how you do, you'd like you

32:37

do a character that is also yourself. You do

32:40

not do what Kyren Thrax does. Oh my God.

32:42

Okay. I don't think. I don't, I, you know

32:44

what? Let's get right into it. Okay, we're gonna

32:46

keep talking about Ralisa. We're gonna talk about Kyren.

32:48

We're gonna take one more break. Silence

32:51

Brett. I feel like taking a break. Oh my

32:53

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33:01

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34:36

yeah, that was it. Okay,

34:38

release Elisa Lisa. It's completely

34:41

weird. It's not the worst roast I've

34:43

ever seen. No,

34:45

no. I mean, like that, she

34:47

had it up in, well, she

34:49

had it up until she forgot what was saying, had

34:51

to bend over and like look at her notes. Right,

34:53

right. Like her just coming out there

34:56

and like reading the room and like Kicking for a

34:58

bit. I was like, okay, if we just stay on

35:00

this track. Yes. Just don't just hold on girl. As

35:03

stupid as the roast joke was like, I thought

35:05

a roast was a chicken. Huh? The

35:10

look, we got to talk about what the

35:12

hell. I don't know what to say

35:14

about this look. I called it a neon condom already,

35:16

but it also looks like

35:18

one of those pools you buy your child,

35:20

like your five year old child when you're

35:22

like, oh, they're like peeing this little like

35:24

two inch wide pool, whatever, let them. And

35:28

it's also, I don't know, the

35:30

wig is very bad. The wigs like this

35:32

just bangs. I don't know. It's

35:34

a not good. No, it's hell. It's

35:37

not good luck. It's hell. It's disgusting

35:39

for sure. But the content, where

35:41

do you think she came up with this

35:43

piss, this piss thing of like, this is

35:45

how you piss. This is again,

35:47

they seem to like how incredibly off

35:50

the wall bunker, bibbity bunkers it

35:52

was. But I mean, I

35:55

was, my jaw was

35:57

dropped. I have truly never seen

35:59

any. if she had come out and the only thing

36:01

she had done was the piss bit and she had gone through

36:04

every eliminated girl and done

36:07

different water spittles. Different pisses?

36:10

Yeah, I'd be honestly safe. That

36:12

could have worked. I was surprised there wasn't

36:14

a water sports joke for one of

36:17

them being like, if, well, I mean,

36:19

if you're Octavia, you're not so much worried about

36:22

pissing as getting the piss all over your face,

36:24

you little slut. Yeah. Something like

36:26

that. I was like, okay. I

36:28

was like, okay. Alexis Michelle might

36:31

have put the kibosh on. Water

36:33

sports, the whole water polo team.

36:36

Very interesting that my sisters haven't

36:38

put their piss all over my

36:40

face. Shady whores.

36:45

Yeah, it was not good. What

36:50

did we know? I liked seeing all the

36:52

returning, all the returning

36:54

queens. I guess they let them out of the hospital. I

36:56

was gonna say hospital. I was gonna say hospital. Let

36:59

them out of the hospital. Well, certainly one of them went to

37:01

the hospital. You had to go to the hospital. I had to

37:03

go to the hospital. I would say Octavia

37:05

should have gone to the hospital for

37:08

her dehydrated hairs. And

37:11

what's her name for the face? Yeah. I can't

37:13

remember any of their names. The

37:15

old Deeta, Deeta Von Teese. No, Deeta,

37:18

Deeta. Deeta? Deeta. What

37:20

was her name? Deeta Garbo, Jesus. Jesus, you threw me

37:22

off too. I was like, Deeta?

37:25

Deeta what? Deeta, honestly,

37:28

I don't care because she's Deeta-meen. Wow.

37:32

Who was having the least fun on television

37:34

this week? I do believe it is not

37:37

an MSNBC anchor. It is Deeta Garbo. She

37:40

hated this. She hated this. She hated every minute

37:42

of this. I get it. She's like, I don't

37:44

wanna come back here. These people

37:46

that call me old. Who

37:49

are like, so like, Ralisa is

37:52

a performer. I'm trying

37:54

to think of like other queens in

37:56

Ralisa's vein. Who's like Kennedy Davenport. Yeah.

37:59

Slays a roast challenge. And it's always a surprise.

38:01

So it's like there was room for Ralisa

38:03

to surprise us. I know. Like

38:05

she did with the Adele impersonation where it's like all

38:07

of a sudden she actually is Adele somehow. I know.

38:09

I'm trying to think what advice

38:12

I would give her. I mean, it sucks.

38:14

I think the only advice I would give her

38:16

is better joke construction. And that's just like

38:18

that's just that's like not something you just learn

38:20

overnight. But again, what do you want? She

38:24

just came out and just did Trinity K.

38:26

Bonet's season six stand up iconic.

38:28

Like if you just did like word for

38:30

word or if she just did that out

38:32

if she if they would let her to

38:34

be like, here's the roast. You

38:37

do RuPaul's choreography in front of her.

38:39

Just be step

38:42

touch. Step touch. Let's

38:45

talk about claggy crevice aka

38:47

Kyren Thrax and like this

38:49

strange character. I weirdly

38:52

called this. I weirdly was like, I

38:54

think yeah. Kyren's like not going to

38:56

quite get there. When

38:58

I did love the natural almost fear and

39:00

love was faced during the like advice section

39:02

when Karen's like, oh, I went to clown

39:04

school and I was like, wait, what? Which

39:07

is kind of like for me, I was

39:09

like, oh my God, like she actually went

39:11

to school for being fun. Watch out. I

39:13

mean, like, wait, did we go to clown?

39:15

Is UCB clown? Yeah, we were like, what

39:17

do they mean? I mean, we're fucking clowns

39:19

because we gave them fifteen hundred dollars to

39:21

take three sketch classes. Well,

39:23

except for the like four months that I interned

39:26

where I had to clean up urine

39:28

and stuff off a toilet at midnight on Friday.

39:30

I did it for a year. I did it

39:33

for a year. Glasses. Oh my God. Wow. They

39:35

don't you got three classes. I got I got

39:37

quite a few classes, but okay. So

39:39

worth it. It was worth it

39:41

for me. But Kyra could have

39:43

nailed this, but she

39:45

thought too much. She thought too much.

39:49

Too much. There were little notes. I

39:51

had in hers too. Like even with

39:53

her like joke about the very specie

39:55

Alan Carr. I

39:57

was like way even the God joke. I was like, no.

39:59

that there's a simpler way to do that. I was like,

40:01

it's like God created the perfect man and

40:04

my punch up is and then put his

40:06

thumb over it or like

40:08

smeared it with his finger. Like or something

40:10

like that. I was like, the way she

40:13

said it just like wasn't as playful as

40:15

it could have been. Or it's like, but

40:17

we couldn't get David Beckham. So we have

40:19

Alan Carr. Like there's something, you know, just

40:21

that old standard, whatever. I mean, and on

40:24

her saying that Saki was eliminated by a

40:26

shower, like that was, you know, like, I

40:29

just think that doing that voice was

40:32

too much. The voice is stupid. I've

40:34

always, roast is you. You

40:36

are the roaster. The roast is you.

40:38

Don't do a character on top of

40:40

a roast. I it's worked like twice

40:43

in the history of drag race and. Which when

40:46

like, I mean, are we counting Nina

40:48

Bonino, Osama bin Laden, Brown's

40:51

aunt, great aunt Maybelline. Oh

40:54

Lord. No, yeah,

40:56

we shouldn't. That's not what.

40:59

I would count Jimbo. I think Jimbo

41:01

did Joan Rivers, but again, yeah, yeah,

41:03

in a cursed season where she was

41:05

going to win regardless. Yeah.

41:07

And also see like when she said clown school,

41:10

it was like, oh, Jimbo's also a trained clown.

41:12

So I'm like, this could go very well. Yes.

41:14

But I think Jimbo's shelled out for the advanced.

41:17

Right. And you know, I mean, again,

41:19

he chose a character that is a

41:21

roast comedian. Claggy crevice is this weird

41:24

clown we don't care or know about.

41:26

We don't know, but it

41:28

wasn't awful. Hate the

41:30

name. The name was so weird that I

41:32

had to spend the first five seconds be

41:34

like, wait, what did you just say? Claggy

41:36

crevice. She did make a gears turning in

41:39

RuPaul's head trying to remember our names every

41:41

week. I always love. I love those jokes.

41:43

Those jokes are great. Remembering the names. That

41:45

fucking worked. That was good. I was also

41:47

surprised when she introduced Lil and said she

41:49

was the world's best syllable black impersonator. I

41:51

was like, what color

41:53

the worst color the world's

41:56

worst syllable black impersonator. Unless you do

41:58

like a winky wink the best. Unless

42:00

you're out. our judges are like right

42:02

exactly something the best we

42:04

could find and we're blind um the

42:06

best in the parking lot outside exactly

42:09

well well let's talk

42:11

about Lil I aka a

42:13

k a cheapo the clown I stopped saying

42:15

your character name again the clown thing was

42:17

a trick um I

42:19

love Lil and I kind of think she's a genius and

42:22

I would watch again like Vic judges

42:24

said I would watch her fuck up for an hour

42:26

because she is absolutely

42:29

magnetic they gave

42:31

her a great note of like you

42:33

prepare too much like you actually need

42:35

to not prepare which is kind of

42:37

a great note to get it's an

42:39

amazing to do anything awesome

42:41

I do want to just shout out that Lil I

42:44

love and I have loved her since episode 1 when

42:46

she so when she did Liam

42:49

Gallagher drag on the runway yeah

42:51

the main stage of RuPaul's Drag

42:53

Race bringing Oasis realness yes as

42:56

an Oasis gay I think I am one of

42:59

two apparently me and Lil I don't know I

43:01

think you are the two

43:03

scree scree big I got

43:05

my tickets for

43:08

2025 going you're very

43:10

excited I love that okay I know

43:12

a third Oasis gay I'll point you in

43:14

his direction oh yeah

43:18

we're two away from starting

43:20

an Oasis cover band but

43:24

God Lil I know I liked the

43:26

look I like yeah

43:29

I mean yeah sure the look I'm

43:31

concerned about I like cuz Lil's I

43:33

think Lil's again I she is

43:36

my youngest child that

43:38

I saved from a village fire

43:40

like I I don't know really

43:42

can do no wrong I don't really know how to

43:44

critique her because I think she's a precious baby angel

43:47

and I honestly think her

43:49

brain is the greatest contribution

43:51

to comedy and and to

43:53

the queer community I think she should be protected

43:56

at all costs yeah absolutely I

43:58

honestly think she should have won the makeover challenge,

44:00

I will ride

44:02

hard for that. I can't help it. I

44:04

thought that that was a great lot. People

44:06

really liked it. I

44:09

also like making her mom go out there

44:11

in no pants. That's

44:13

the only thing that we didn't really

44:15

talk about. I didn't even usually think

44:17

about that, honestly. Yeah, but it's like,

44:19

God damn. OK, I work,

44:22

mom work. Mom, you much like my Dave

44:24

and Buster's t-shirt, you think she should have

44:26

been a winner. What did

44:28

you win? But what what what challenge did

44:30

you win at Dave and Buster's? I

44:34

was I won most money spent

44:36

in smallest prize received. That was

44:38

the award I got at Dave

44:40

and Buster's. And that's also the

44:42

award that everyone on Drag

44:45

Race UK has won. You

44:47

are up until this season. Wow.

44:50

Read these bitches. Most

44:52

money spent, least reward. I OK. My

44:55

hot take is I honestly think

44:57

that Lil being able to take

45:00

the crashing plane. Yes. And instead of it

45:02

going down on the Lost Island, she was

45:04

able to land it on like the Love

45:07

Island beach. Like she was able to land

45:09

the plane. And I honestly think that is

45:11

a skill and maybe should have kept her

45:13

out of the bottom. I agree that like

45:16

that could have kept her out of the

45:18

bottom because again, it could

45:20

have kept it was clearly Ralisa and then one of

45:22

the other two, but. OK,

45:26

they didn't want to risk that. I'm going to

45:28

do what I am going to. Oh, yeah, they don't

45:30

want to risk Kyren sucking. I think Kyren would have

45:32

done better than Ralisa, though. I

45:34

don't think Ralisa hot take is

45:36

that good of a lip sinker. She's

45:39

fine. She's just sexy. She's just sexy. OK,

45:42

wait, she is. Before we get there, let

45:44

me derail you and bring you back to, of

45:46

course, love,

45:48

love, love. What

45:50

do we think about love was? Unbelievable.

45:54

OK, just I

45:56

mean, it's fine. Unfair. Yeah. What?

45:58

Fine. Oh,

46:00

okay. Okay, here's what I here's what

46:03

I guess I'm just tired of watching

46:05

a season where everyone's like, love, you

46:07

fucking invented light on the

46:09

first day you invented lightness and darkness.

46:12

Love, but she's not a comedian. That's

46:14

the story arc they're telling us is

46:16

happening, even though we're not seeing any

46:18

evidence. She is a comedian, but

46:21

she was saying like, I had to do something

46:23

that I didn't know I was like, that's what

46:25

her confessional was. That's bullshit. That's not true. You've

46:28

been funny all season

46:30

long. She told like 12 jokes

46:32

in the Graham Norton Challenge. She is a

46:34

comedian. She knows what she is. Yeah, she

46:36

knows what improvising is. So

46:39

like, I don't want the story that comes with

46:41

age. I know. I just don't want the story

46:43

that she like doesn't know. She certainly knows. Abs.

46:46

Yeah. And it is also boring to see

46:48

a season where someone wins four challenges or

46:50

because like that does have like when that

46:52

starts happening, it is like, oh, God, it

46:54

does get kind of annoying. But I mean,

46:56

there was no other winner. There was no

46:59

other winner. My

47:01

hot take is I do think I liked

47:03

her better than Bianca Del Rio's roast

47:05

style. Wow. OK, I will agree that

47:07

there were absolutely more jokes in this

47:09

roast than maybe the Bianca Del Rio

47:11

we've seen on the TV show. But

47:15

also, I'll say I really like her

47:17

jokes. I think it

47:19

is really, really good. But I think

47:21

there are some UK queens who have

47:24

done a better roast than her. That's

47:26

all I'll say. Oh, yeah. Like, well,

47:28

I mean, like, I want to say

47:30

Danny Beard was amazing. Danny Beard Vivian's

47:32

great. I even want to say as

47:34

two hair suit queens. We have to

47:36

stay in a bearded winner. Absolutely. I

47:39

oh, God, even Ginger. I want to say Ginger

47:42

was Ginger's roast good. Yeah,

47:44

I want to say it was great. Right. Yeah,

47:47

no, like the UK really does

47:49

well. And honestly, it

47:51

is weird when Ella Vaday and Michael were like,

47:54

don't worry too much about waiting because the winner

47:56

doesn't get the crown. And I'm like, well, actually,

47:58

I think didn't. I'm sure Lawrence

48:00

won the roast, right? Like, to

48:03

Vivian Lawrence and Danny won the roast.

48:05

That is a good point. I'm like,

48:07

I'm almost positive Danny did. I

48:10

need to go back into the anals

48:12

of Drag Race Hershtery. Who

48:14

won UK won the roast. Do the

48:16

research, do the research. Oh

48:19

God, no, it's too much, it's too complicated. They're getting comedy

48:21

central roast stuff and that's straight culture and I don't wanna

48:23

look at it. Don't look at it, but yes, I thought

48:25

she was- The girl that really isn't serving me. Very good,

48:27

but I just- What did you

48:29

think about the look though? Awful. It's

48:31

like, Cindy Lou gets COVID. She

48:34

looks like a Demogorgon fucked up

48:37

puppy. Like, it's really

48:39

disturbing. I mean,

48:41

awful, I'm not gonna critique these looks. They're

48:43

all hell. Actually, I

48:45

think Lilz is the best, but- Yeah,

48:47

and I liked Lilz makeup a lot. I love that color

48:50

a lot. Lilz was cool. That was very good. But

48:52

I liked it. I think I'm just balking at

48:54

the, you

48:56

are the inventor of drag edit that

48:58

she's getting. Like you, we all are

49:00

garbage bugs that

49:04

should be stepped on, LaBois.

49:06

You invented drag and we

49:08

are fucking loser servants at

49:11

your throne. If she

49:13

doesn't win though, how will you feel about the edit?

49:16

Cause usually a four winner queen doesn't

49:18

win. Four wins is kind of cursed. Yeah,

49:21

Gigi, Shay, et cetera. Four

49:25

wins can help you, but I think there's a couple, there

49:28

might be one or two winners who have won fours for

49:32

challenges, like your Alaskas and your

49:34

redacted Sharon needles. Yes,

49:37

it is weird that we

49:39

actually haven't heard a lot of

49:42

LaBois singing much to your pleasure. Oh

49:44

my God. Hating that voice.

49:46

But we've seen her

49:48

be funny way more than the singing. Okay, you

49:50

want to hear my LaBois impression? Oh,

49:53

go for it. I'm

49:57

singing and it's beautiful.

50:00

Oh, I did not know that she was Buddy the

50:02

elf. I don't.

50:04

I'm in a store and I'm

50:07

saying elf. That's what I hear.

50:09

That's all I'm hearing. OK,

50:12

let's talk about let's talk about a

50:16

mean girl who just came came here to

50:18

piss people off. Yeah. People off. Mom, a

50:20

lot. Oh, God. You know, what is a

50:22

shame is that OK, some of her jokes

50:24

worked. Yes, I

50:26

certainly understand how. The

50:29

littlest attitude shift or phrasing change

50:32

can make a joke mean the

50:35

like the the last time I

50:37

saw a face like that, I was feeding

50:39

it a banana. Hey, like you have to

50:41

throw it away. Yeah, almost become like an

50:43

Andrew Dice Clay. Yes, you

50:46

got to like. But she was being

50:48

so severe about it. I also wonder

50:50

if like calling someone like a bug

50:53

or something like another animal feels

50:56

more absurd and funny than calling

50:58

someone an ape or monkey. Yeah,

51:02

because that is there's

51:04

some strange historical vibes

51:06

around calling someone an ape or

51:08

primate. So like when when

51:11

wait, who who called Alan Carr an

51:13

animal earlier in this? Was it a beaver

51:15

or something? Yeah. Oh, OK, that makes

51:18

oh, at least really. So did I

51:20

think, oh, they actually were going somewhere.

51:22

Right. And then it didn't go anywhere. But

51:24

it feels more either that would that

51:26

feels more like maybe to me, a

51:28

more absurd and playful than you're in.

51:30

You're a monkey. Yeah,

51:32

yeah, yeah. And

51:34

also calling Dita like her face being

51:37

the oldest brick at

51:39

Stonewall or like, no, no, she

51:41

should have made the joke. Like your your face,

51:43

I would say you threw the first brick at

51:46

Stonewall, but clearly you still have it. It's your

51:48

face. Like, but she she

51:50

didn't go. I don't know. It was

51:52

I think it was mostly attitude. Like,

51:54

I honestly think the attitude was like

51:56

just a little too dry. It was

51:58

just a little too. to a little

52:01

too Pinot Noir, needed to be a little wetter,

52:03

a little bit more Merlot. This is, and

52:06

this is where I will bring

52:08

up Sasha Velour, who had a great, who

52:10

almost had the same problem, but figured out

52:12

how to do a great roast with that

52:15

disposition of the

52:17

like edifying humor. Did I use

52:19

that word correctly? Not edifying humor.

52:21

Yeah. Like you have to make

52:23

fun of yourself first. Yeah. If you're

52:25

going to have that severe of an outlook. Season

52:27

nine. Best roast, I

52:30

think. Oh, that wasn't well, but the,

52:32

but the lows were low, but you

52:34

think the lows were delicious. Now

52:37

that Michelle's dick breakfast stuck up

52:39

this entire stage. This

52:43

is like me and my husband quote. Michelle

52:45

Bussauds, she loves water sports.

52:48

I love you all. Thank you

52:50

and good night. Movie

52:53

B. Michelle

52:56

Bussauds is such a conchita. Like, she's

52:59

like, what's such a conchita? I know.

53:01

Ross Matthews, you're so cute. I just

53:03

want to stick you up my butt.

53:07

Holy shit. Just a

53:10

great roast. Honestly, when we

53:12

have friends over to show them Drag Race for

53:14

the first time, we either show them all of

53:16

season nine or just that roast episode. That is

53:18

really crazy. Wow. That

53:21

is so crazy. That

53:23

that's the episode. What? And

53:25

I also think that Marmolee is the one

53:27

that did the, your blanket is so dry.

53:30

It makes, you know, although coming for Kiki's

53:32

wigs when Octavia is right there. I know,

53:34

crazy. I hate styling

53:36

wigs. Wigs are my enemy. I have one wig

53:38

that I have figured out and that's the only

53:40

one I wear. And I'm like, even I. Well.

53:44

No, not to fuck with what Octavia

53:47

was fucking with this season. A bunch

53:49

of hard front, shaking goes, I haven't

53:51

been shaken. They have not been shaken.

53:54

Planning to return them to Amazon. She

53:56

hasn't touched them. No, it's again, so

53:58

dry. They are California fire. hazards. These

54:01

wigs are not allowed in the

54:03

States. Is she from

54:05

Texas? Because that's a tumbleweed. We

54:07

didn't we also didn't talk about RuPaul.

54:09

Her look reminded me of, oh, God,

54:12

the the poodle from Oliver and Company. Is

54:14

that it

54:17

is kind of that middler. It is kind of

54:20

that. I like that. I appreciate that her makeup was like 10

54:22

percent clown, but yeah,

54:25

10 percent. God, the

54:27

the very early days when RuPaul would actually

54:29

kind of flirt with doing I

54:31

know simple times, simpler

54:34

times. Um, absolutely not. Wait,

54:36

OK, I OK, I just want to give a shout

54:38

out to like Marmal. Some of my relates jokes should

54:40

have worked. Some of them did. Like

54:43

I grew up listening to your music. Oh, I'm oh my

54:45

God. I'm sorry. I threw up listening to your music. Threw

54:47

up. Great. That's playful and fun.

54:49

Obviously, the Michelle ones. I

54:51

think Michelle needs to relax a little bit because

54:54

there your eyebrows. She went

54:57

as soon as Marmalade said something about you have

54:59

work done. The look on Michelle's face was like,

55:01

Bitch, do not. Yeah, Michelle.

55:03

No laugh. This is

55:05

natural. Fucking laugh, Michelle. About

55:07

everything else. This is she laughs about

55:10

being like a dick pig and like having

55:12

big boobs and now small, but like that's

55:15

what I'm saying is like they've they've already decided

55:17

you're they've decided what they think about

55:19

you sometimes before you've started and I

55:21

just it's just a

55:23

little bit. It's a little unfair at times where

55:25

they're like, well, we just decided we don't think

55:27

it's as funny. Honestly,

55:29

Michelle, like if you're going to start looking

55:32

this good every single week on two franchises

55:34

simultaneously, you have to start putting up with

55:36

you've had some work done jokes. Yeah, it

55:38

is the trade off. You look that good.

55:41

I did like how her look this week

55:43

has that like crochet thing has the cut

55:45

out for the star on her chest. Uh

55:47

huh. It's like perfectly placed. I'm

55:50

like, man, good job. Custom

55:52

custom. All right. Maybe make a joke

55:54

of being like, um, you've had

55:56

a lot of work done. I'm kidding. You can't

55:58

afford that. Maybe. Maybe that's

56:00

the angle. But I'm trying to

56:02

think like, Michelle, relax, you're not like, all

56:06

the time are telling people, go for it.

56:08

Like more than anything, which is why I

56:10

liked when Marmalade was like, I

56:12

just wanted to go for it because

56:14

that's what you say all the time.

56:17

That tends to be the notes. Literally what you say

56:19

to these horrors every time there's a roast challenge is

56:21

that you didn't go for it. So I did and

56:24

now you're mad. So cool, cool. Is

56:26

the roast challenge, so the makeover challenge is

56:28

obviously the most subjective where it's like, I

56:30

feel like they intentionally placed the makeover challenge

56:33

at the end of the season so they

56:35

can arbitrarily decide which one of these do

56:37

we want in the finale? That's a scientific

56:39

fact. Okay, you wore the wrong shoes, you're

56:42

out. Is the roast challenge the next most

56:44

subjective? And like how,

56:46

like it gives them a lot of material to

56:48

edit around, like you can take just different ways.

56:52

I would like, I don't know. I, I,

56:55

I, maybe, maybe is what my

56:57

gut says. At least the unedited roasts. They

56:59

do, yeah, let's, let's show them, show them.

57:01

That is a, it's an interesting point. I

57:03

want the listeners to pipe off in the

57:05

comments. What is the

57:07

second most subjective? I think there's- Where they

57:10

can arbitrarily snipe girls out of the competition.

57:12

I think the one that I would above

57:14

that, honestly, is I would say like acting

57:16

challenge. In general, like acting challenge to me

57:18

or, or

57:22

even rusicle, like even rusicle because

57:24

they're like, oh, you, you just

57:27

blend it into the background. Or,

57:29

oh, you blend it

57:31

so perfectly. You were, you were right in

57:33

line with everyone. Stole the focus, you weren't

57:36

the focus. I also love

57:38

on the acting challenges where they were like, it just

57:40

wasn't funny as if like, you also need to be

57:42

good enough to break- The comments. What

57:44

is the second most subjective? I think there's-

57:47

Where they can arbitrarily snipe girls out of

57:49

the competition. I think the one that I

57:51

would above that, honestly, is I would say

57:53

like acting challenge. In general, like acting challenge

57:55

to me or, or- Even

58:00

ruzicle, like even ruzicle because they're

58:02

like, oh, you you just blend

58:05

it into the background or oh,

58:08

you blend it so perfectly. You were you

58:10

were right in line with everyone. Stole the

58:12

focus. You weren't the focus. Yeah. I also

58:14

love on the acting challenges where they were

58:16

like, it just wasn't funny as if like

58:18

you also need to be good enough to

58:20

bring the material. Like that's

58:23

also your job, not the writers. Right.

58:25

Absolutely not. Yeah, I know. Right. Like

58:27

no one watches like famous disaster shit

58:29

movies like year one and they

58:31

go, I don't know. Jack Black could

58:33

have done something with that material. That

58:37

is the writer's. That is the writer's job. Let's

58:39

bunch that up. Can you believe I mentioned year

58:41

one on a gay podcast? I

58:43

mean, I've mentioned GI Joe married

58:45

to a show elf. Oliver

58:48

and company. I have very skewed. I

58:50

only feel seen when a queen does

58:52

Joanne Wurley on Snatchy. You fucking shout

58:55

out. You dusty on the West. I

58:59

like Gigi Gorgeous makeup influencers. I understand this.

59:01

You are like an antique that can get

59:03

up and walk around the house. You want

59:06

me to look where I look. I know. To spend all of

59:08

my time. I

59:10

guess I watched Drag Race on that old 1990 Sony

59:12

Trench on. That

59:15

was my family's TV. Love you.

59:17

I love, love, love, love

59:19

that you watch Drag Race on a Commodore 64.

59:22

I love you. Yeah, it's great. It's

59:25

like having a season one filter for

59:27

every day. You're like, everyone looks gorgeous.

59:30

Could just sound blurry and oh,

59:32

yes, so smooth. That is so

59:34

fucking funny. You're like, wow. Oh

59:37

my God. I'm trying to think who I want to be

59:39

a bitch about. Who was the queen who was on season two

59:41

and three of UK? Oh,

59:45

Veronica Green. You're like Veronica

59:47

Green's makeup is flawless. Oh,

59:50

cool. Let's chirp and burp

59:52

these looks. It is some

59:54

sort of semi final vinyl semi

59:57

final vinyl. We got release Elisa

59:59

Lisa. giving you Rihanna, Umbrella,

1:00:01

Ella, Ella, but also a little bit of

1:00:03

this like pop art

1:00:05

makeup. Part it

1:00:07

so like I agree when they say like the

1:00:10

look wasn't. It wasn't enough

1:00:12

compared to like everyone else. I think she nailed

1:00:14

the vinyl part. I don't think she nailed the

1:00:16

semi final because semi final

1:00:18

to me means this has to be like, but

1:00:20

also semi final probably was not in the prompt

1:00:22

that they gave them when they prepared looks. Probably

1:00:24

not. I would imagine, you know, I

1:00:26

just I like this look.

1:00:30

It's good. I'm just like, here's

1:00:32

my please feel free to disagree. But

1:00:34

like I'm like, it's a vinyl. She

1:00:36

has a humongous clear

1:00:38

plastic coat. I

1:00:41

mean, it's vinyl. She is

1:00:43

gorgeous. Her face is gorgeous. The hair

1:00:45

is fine. I'm not saying the

1:00:47

hair is showstopping, but this is a good

1:00:49

look. It is. I think

1:00:52

I think if it was a vinyl challenge

1:00:54

earlier in the season, I

1:00:56

think and also I didn't understand what she was

1:00:58

doing. I thought it was like, is she at

1:01:01

the beach? Why is there like white sunblock on

1:01:03

her nose? I didn't understand the

1:01:05

pop art thing until we got to judging

1:01:07

and they were zooming in and like the

1:01:09

lines were. I think the lines needed to

1:01:11

be bigger and bolder, not maybe bigger, but

1:01:13

like thicker, more consistent, more cartoony to really

1:01:15

like sell that. But also looking at that,

1:01:17

looking at that Mac, as they call it in

1:01:19

the UK. It's really cool. Yeah.

1:01:22

It is not just like a normal raincoat.

1:01:24

Like there are ruffles and like layers to

1:01:26

it. Yeah, that's what I'm

1:01:28

saying. They need to appreciate the the complexity

1:01:30

of that. I like it. I it is

1:01:33

a chirp for me. Yeah,

1:01:36

it's a chirp. It's a soft chirp for

1:01:38

me. Love it. I want come for

1:01:40

me, release it. No, don't. I

1:01:42

love you all. You're all great. Come on me, release.

1:01:46

No, Alan Carr can come on me. Let's get

1:01:49

that. Hey, so you. I

1:01:52

heard you in Oscar arguing about Alan Carr's hotness, and

1:01:54

I will say him

1:01:56

and Graham both could. Can you believe

1:01:58

Oscar said he's not into Alan? I

1:14:01

it is. Is it Kyron

1:14:03

or LaVoy? But. This is where I

1:14:05

look at like, OK, what is the track? So

1:14:07

we had I think it needs to be Kyron

1:14:09

just because Ginger, Danny,

1:14:12

Lawrence and Vivian are all so

1:14:14

of. Yeah, they're

1:14:16

all LaVoy, like they're all that. Yeah.

1:14:19

And then the one outlier we have

1:14:21

is Christopher Saatchi, who. Is

1:14:24

good at that. That's

1:14:26

that felt hard for you to say. Is

1:14:30

she is she's fine. She's not my aesthetic. She's

1:14:32

not my style. She was great in the season,

1:14:34

but yes, I don't know. No, I'm 100 percent

1:14:36

with you. She's good at drag. And

1:14:38

she's the violet Chachki of the UK. We need

1:14:40

that. But

1:14:42

yeah, I really do think Kyron was

1:14:45

is pretty well poised because she is.

1:14:47

I said this earlier. She's

1:14:49

just the unique ist, the most

1:14:51

interesting person to win this one.

1:14:54

And they she almost has an all-stars

1:14:56

two at it of like, she fumbled

1:14:58

in this episode and you can feel

1:15:00

a tantrum almost coming. Yes. Yes. It

1:15:03

didn't do it. So she gave him a little

1:15:05

bit of story. She gave him stories. She wants

1:15:08

this. She's fighting for it. She's learning that she's

1:15:10

not the shit. You know what I mean? Like

1:15:12

she's learning that she's not perfect. And so,

1:15:15

yeah, there's some good story going into that finale.

1:15:18

And but LaVoy to quote,

1:15:23

but a weird, great Internet meme. LaVoy,

1:15:28

RuPaul might give it to LaVoy because

1:15:30

LaVoy about to die, though. I

1:15:33

mean, she's she's only 43. I

1:15:37

know. She's a man. She has

1:15:39

to wait for this and the Chad Michaels one

1:15:42

all-stars one. She like read some

1:15:44

mean tweet on on an Internet

1:15:46

video being like, like

1:15:48

RuPaul gave it to Chad Michaels because she about

1:15:50

to die. Dada. It

1:15:53

would be great if RuPaul started to keep in

1:15:56

like the tradition of the All-Stars Pavilion being in

1:15:58

Daytona Beach or whatever be like. Michael's

1:16:00

retirement home for winter. Is this something if you're

1:16:02

over 35, that's where you go. I

1:16:06

would fucking love that. Oh, Brad,

1:16:09

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