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Welcome everyone to another episode

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of Dynamics , corner Brad

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. I need to build something . What's

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the best approach ? I'm your co-host

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.

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Chris , and this is Brad . This episode was recorded

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on January 10th 2025

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. Chris , chris , chris , you

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build things . I didn't know you build things .

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Ikea tables .

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But that is a good question because

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within Business Central , did you know that

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you could use assembly orders and

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production orders ? And

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with us today we had the opportunity to learn

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the differences between production orders

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and assembly orders and when you may

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want to use either one of those . With

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us today , we had the opportunity to speak with Jen Klarich

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Hello , hello .

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Hello , good morning .

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How are things ? Excellent , excellent . How about yourself ?

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I'm good happy new year .

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You celebrate new year's up there that

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is a common one , yes , but I also

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do not really know the origin of that

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that of new

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year's , the canadian

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new year just in general

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.

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No idea , don't have

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any clue , no I have a little

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clue , and my clue is that it's

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a new year well

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, that like I , I guess .

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But who formalized it and when did they

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do that and where did it start ? Start

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Like , tell me more , brad .

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I'm thirsty for the knowledge .

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Chris , help those

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are good questions Help us .

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But the other thing in honor of

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this conversation , we

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made it feel like Canada we're paying honor

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. We made it feel like

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Canada down here . Oh

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, because it is so cold

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. I don't know what to do .

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Yeah , you're just not leaving your home

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at any point .

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I'm embarrassed

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to say , but I didn't leave for

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the past two days . Wait , no , I did go

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out yesterday for a little bit Earlier

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in the week . Yeah , forget it , take that back .

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I am like contemplating

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my whole life at this point , because there's lots

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of times , because I work from home , that I don't

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leave for like four days

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or five days . So

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I'm now worried , like is is

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like glorophobia coming into play

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? Like am I like what's happening ? Because

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if two days is a lot , well , don't you get excited though on

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the weekend so like you're coming on the weekend like you have Like what's happening Cause if two

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days is a lot .

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Well , don't you get excited though on a weekend , so like you're coming

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around the weekend , like you have to get out of the house , like I

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forced my family to get out of the house because

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define leaving the house define

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leaving the house when I when you say leaving the house

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, I mean literally stepping

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outside , because there are times

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where I'll go a whole entire week where I don't

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leave my property , but

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I do spend a lot of time outside so I'm

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at least getting the sunshine , fresh

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air , and I'll do yard

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stuff or I go running or walking

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or such .

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Well , I guess running leaves my property , but I'm saying

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physically not getting in the seas , it's , it's all

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I leave .

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We literally go somewhere . We

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go somewhere because it's like I'm here

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five days a week . I need to

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get out , and then we would either go to

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the next town over or find something

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like a little tiny museum , whatever that

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is just to get out of the house

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.

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Yeah , you do need those activities like the small

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town visits or doing something to step

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away . But not leaving the house during the week

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for me is very common , because it is a

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challenge . Working from home , because you get up

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, you do your routine or whatever . Maybe you work

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. Then at the end of the day it

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gets dark now because it's winter , and

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even down here it's dark , not as early as as

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you northerners , but

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when I'm here yeah , 4 , 30 it's dark .

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You go to work basically in the dark

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yes , home in the dark , like you

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know , not quite as bad as like , say , alaska

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, but it's true , like

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at the end of the day , like I find that around my like

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3.30 , 4 o'clock meetings it's

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like the sun is going down . So by the end of

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the call at 5 o'clock I have like

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a little candle lit to be like

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okay , well , let's circle back

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is that ?

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what is that what you have in canada ? Just candles

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?

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no , no , you know

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, just for energy efficiencies and things . But

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we , it's like it gets progressively

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darker . But you know you're meeting to meeting so

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you haven't taken the time to just even go flick

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on a light so that when yes it does get

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darker . But then to your point , you're

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like , okay , now it's the end of the day , you

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go get into your you know pajamas

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, maybe your comfies oh

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, you never left your pajamas or

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maybe I do I do

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have jeans on I am somewhat professional

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okay , but uh , you know just I

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was nervous . I was gonna say it's not too crazy but

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, um , yeah , and then you , you know you have your dinner , you

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unwind . You , you know you have your dinner , you unwind

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, and before you know it , you're like , okay , well

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, it's time to trot up to bed . So

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but we have what I was

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saying like we have an old schoolhouse , we have a lot of , like

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wood burning fireplaces , so we'll go out

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a couple times a day to , like you know , grab extra

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pieces of wood and then , because

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we do rescue the feral cats , because we were going

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to talk about that , I have like an outbuilding

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where I segregate the feral cats from my

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indoor cats . So you

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know , we truck it . So I , I do brad , get

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the fresh air and the vitamin d , that's good

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, yeah , and that's good .

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The other challenge good though chris on the activity

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well , maybe you can start this week

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and take the cats out for a walk . Put a leash on them , put

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them in the car .

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Yeah , take your cat to the museum okay

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.

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So would you judge me , brad

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, if I said I already do that and , chris , excellent

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idea .

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I will jot that down I

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would not judge you because

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one I already

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do , because you're from canada , so that

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just supersedes any judging

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two yeah I

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think it would be good that

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you do something like that Three up

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north , because of the cold , dark

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and the wind , come 4.30 , it feels

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like midnight . So I am right

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there with you . Come

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that time , I feel like just

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going to bed because it feels like it's so late . And then

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the other point yeah , and it's cold , oh it's miserable .

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That's why I'm like just going to bed , because it feels like it's so late .

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And then the other point yeah , and it's cold . Oh , it's miserable . That's why I'm here , but

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the cold came with

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me .

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I was going to say , though , you know , I feel like there's a

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really clear boundary

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with the US and Canada in your mind

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, right ?

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It's called the border ?

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Yeah , but she's from Canada , so she's on the wrong side of the tracks . Well , but

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isn't it a time to unite ? You

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know like ?

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are you saying you want to become ? Are you saying

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you want to be a state ?

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no , no , is this

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what you're saying ? I'm saying why don't you come over

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to canada ? It's a little cold , but

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I think you know , come

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over this way she said unite

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.

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I did that . I'm bringing politics into

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us .

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I am only giving you a hard time because

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I just like to no offense

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to canada , because people will probably be angry

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with me and chris put me up to it , but I

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think you should take Minnesota and Wisconsin

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and we'll just call it Okay .

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Okay , Really Like any

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special reason or just like as an olive

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branch we next in ?

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are you going to be at two directions

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?

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Yes , yeah .

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Okay , when , uh when we

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have the meal . Chris , we owe her a meal , by

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the way . Um , just to let you know

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and we'll hold it to it and

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it will be part of our Canadian Thanksgiving that

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we're going to celebrate late .

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I'll give you the reasons why .

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I think , that those two states should become

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part of Canada .

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Oh so I have to wait .

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Suspense .

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The suspense .

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You have three months to wait .

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You can read up on those dates and you'll

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probably figure it out .

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I'll figure it out . So I have to actually come to

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the dinner and guess the reasons Right

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.

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Yes .

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Okay , fair enough .

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Don't be upset if dinner is one of those little street

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carts .

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That's fine , I'm not picky , I'm

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not saying we're going to one of these .

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We're not going to the michelin restaurant out in vegas . Uh

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, for this , this repayment that's fair

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.

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That's fair as long as it's not like a mcdonald's

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. You know streetcar

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, though , like I , don't I

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nothing . I was

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gonna say street meets fine , but

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let's edit that

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out . No , no listen listen

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.

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No , we're not editing that out , we're not . No

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, we have no filter . I will say , though

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, food trucks when I say a streetcar , I mean like one of

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the food trucks I . They're

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amazing . Some of those are absolutely amazing

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. Where it's ? I

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will seek them out . And sometimes some

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venues or some places will have activities

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where they have multiple of those food

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trucks and I love that . That's one of the

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things I like to do on the weekends , for

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example , is if you go to these little , I don't

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call them fairs because they're not really fairs , but

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they call them like those fairs , no , but like a fest right , yes

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, or some event in

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that event where there may be , we'll

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have some food trucks , and I love it because I like

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to eat , but yeah we . We didn't want to talk about

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the weather or your desire to become

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a us citizen .

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Uh , next time there's no desire to

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be fair , there

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isn't .

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I love canada , you know are

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you born and raised in Canada ?

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Born and raised .

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Yeah , Always in the Toronto area .

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Yeah , primarily just about like an

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hour kind of . I actually live in like

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the Cambridge Kitchener Waterloo area

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, which is an hour from Toronto , but

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it's also an hour from Niagara , where I live now

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. So I've always lived around

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here , but it's close to Buffalo so

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you know when I'm feeling itchy I can

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jump over the border . It's like a half an

10:07

hour away .

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That's not bad . So you get the taste of the

10:10

U ? S . You're practically American

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.

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Sometimes , yeah , practically

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Right , yeah , dual citizenship

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. But I can like zip over and

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get things that you guys have that we

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don't like food products , stuff like that . Are you allowed to get a powerball , which is

10:27

some food , some food you can't ?

10:28

no fruits , right , like limited in fruit

10:30

I know coming into . Yes , you can't take certain

10:33

types of fruits .

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I understand why because a lot of that is bugs

10:36

, like a lot of the invasive species

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will come with foods . But

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I have not to jump around . I do have

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so many questions for you because yeah

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of your expertise . Uh

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, but you live in an old schoolhouse . Do you

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have like chalkboards and stuff on the wall ?

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no , I don't , but not anymore

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, but it I do live in an old schoolhouse . So it's

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in 1883 . So it's

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like amazing , like I love

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it . I love like just knowing that kids

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came here . People will stop by and say

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you know , I used to the the coal

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stove was here and I used to come in and

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I was the one that had to stoke the coal in the morning

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. Or you know , I used to come here . There's

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names etched into the brick

11:18

of the kids who used to come . Like that

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, just for me , I love history

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I I like history .

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I love that nostalgic and that's amazing , I love that Nostalgic and historical

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.

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That's why I love Boston , because Boston

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has a lot of history , because it's the same type

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of thing there's a lot of in New England

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. There's a lot of old buildings

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, you know , back from the 1600s , 1800s

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, and

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you're like what fascinates me with that and you have to really think about it a lot

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of those buildings were made before tools , before electricity , right before lighting

11:50

, and to see the construction of what they had put

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together . because they didn't have power tools and

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they didn't have a way to whip up these blades

11:57

to cut the wood right , they had to . You

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know , if you really think what someone

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had to go through to build structures

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prior to technology

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, right , what do they call that error ?

12:09

Oh for sure , and their story too

12:12

, like the people that you

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know put that together what they live , what

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their life was like .

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I love that stuff , chris . We'll have to make a field trip , it is

12:20

.

12:20

It's super cool . You should , if you're

12:22

ever in the area like come on by , because it's super cool .

12:22

Yeah , I love it If you're ever in the area like come on by .

12:23

But we've done like some renovations just to kind

12:25

of bring it to modern , like standards , like

12:27

we put a heat line and stuff . But when you take down

12:30

some of the walls , like some of the beams , you can

12:32

tell they're , to your point , all entirely

12:34

different Because they just found a beam that

12:36

fit that space . So

12:45

some are long , some are short , some are thin , whereas like now you know , you just

12:47

cut the beans to the size you need and everything kind of fits perfectly

12:49

in the , in the insulation there would be like newspaper or yes , just to

12:51

your point . They just I think they call it a horsehair

12:53

plaster and yeah , so they just

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used to your point like what they

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had what they had and what what

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could work , yeah , so it's been interesting to kind

13:02

of do little projects here and there

13:04

and then see like you

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said uncovering things

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. Yeah , my husband is convinced that one day we'll

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take down a wall and find just like a load

13:13

of cash that is , just like some old

13:15

person who like hit it and forgot . We

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have yet to find that , but other

13:20

cool , interesting things we've found I

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want .

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I was just going to ask you found anything ?

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interesting . I've been into old houses , old

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buildings and you find some

13:30

great stuff

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yeah

13:34

, like how to do things . I went to a place the other day

13:36

. You know what I saw on the wall they

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had an old can opener

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, like the can opener that screwed into

13:43

the wall and it kind of flapped out . I'm like this is like

13:45

back from the 1950s 1940s

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.

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It's amazing it brings you back in time .

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Yeah , it's super cool it's great and

13:51

life was much easier then , I

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believe yeah , I think there were challenges , they

13:56

had separate challenges , don't get me wrong . I mean we have modern

13:58

medicine , we have some conveniences , but with

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those conveniences also comes

14:03

more time , responsibility

14:06

, you know , focus and stuff

14:08

.

14:08

It's like simpler times , I would call

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it .

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Right .

14:11

Like things were what they were , you accepted

14:13

what they were . You weren't like always chasing

14:16

the next thing . There was like a certain appreciation

14:18

, I think , for what you had , whereas like now

14:20

with technology and like social

14:23

and stuff like that , I think people are always chasing something

14:25

more . But I do find that , like

14:27

you know , there was a woman actually

14:29

. She came and she brought like all the pictures from

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when they converted it from a schoolhouse

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to a house and like just telling the stories

14:36

and things like that . There was just like a lot of gratitude

14:38

back then , you know they

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live in the moment , which is really nice

14:42

.

14:43

And I mean there were , it

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wasn't as much . I mean they did have crime , they did have

14:47

other things . I don't want to say it was a time when , uh , when I'm

14:49

going to the next thing perfect it wasn't perfect

14:52

, but it was also very community . So

14:54

if you could go to your neighbor and say hey , can you help

14:56

me ?

14:56

build a barn right everybody have those barn raising

14:58

parties .

14:58

Yeah , ah man to be able

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to go back and see

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.

15:06

Live in a small town . It's very similar . Everybody

15:09

knows my neighborhood . Living in a small

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town is great , chris , as

15:13

close as you can get and you live in a great area

15:15

.

15:17

I would like to live in Chris's deck

15:19

, just live on his deck . I could live on his deck .

15:21

Literally you could live on his deck . Oh , I want to see

15:23

it .

15:25

We'll have to do tours after this recording . We'll

15:27

do , we'll do some house tours in the summer

15:29

, though , because then oh yeah , it's kind of gloomy

15:31

right now yeah , but we don't

15:33

want to go outside that long now , no

15:35

, no , but still , chris , even in the , in the

15:37

area that you , the rural area that you live

15:39

in , you still have like

15:42

technology , you have the internet

15:44

and yeah , that's a point everybody is . I

15:46

do feel like everybody's always looking for the next best

15:48

thing and not appreciating what they have

15:50

and not . And then they realize they

15:52

always want the next best best thing , because

15:54

sometimes you already have the best

15:56

thing , if you realize what I'm saying and yep

15:59

sometimes you have to take a step back and say it is the best thing

16:01

. All right , but enough of

16:03

this I could talk about this we're

16:07

getting deep we are

16:09

. But before we jump into the conversation

16:12

, would you mind telling us a little

16:14

bit about yourself outside of the feral cats

16:16

in the schoolhouse , and that you're from canada

16:19

yeah , just like .

16:21

So basically I've been in manufacturing

16:24

since like forever like

16:26

20 years or so and I started off

16:28

just as a basically

16:31

hey , here's a filing cabinet

16:33

and here's drawings and we need you to put

16:36

it into Excel because the company was taking

16:38

an old DOS-based system and moving them to an ERP

16:40

. So I just started basically

16:42

that way to

16:46

an ERP . So I just started basically that way and then I learned about all the tables and how databases

16:48

integrate and you know just how things run together and I

16:50

just learned the system . I wasn't afraid of it , I wasn't

16:52

afraid to play with it . So I sort of became their in-house

16:54

process improvement person . And

16:56

then the company that I work for now so I've

16:58

been with Sabre for over 16

17:01

years , since 2008,

17:03

. They were actually the partner that was implementing

17:05

for us . So when I left that company

17:07

they were like hey , have you ever thought about consulting

17:10

? So I've been doing consulting

17:12

since 2008 in the manufacturing

17:14

space on a different ERP

17:16

system , one called Visual , and

17:19

then we actually got into GP for

17:21

a period of time . So we did manufacturing

17:24

implementations in the GP space

17:26

for a few years and then we started

17:28

looking at it and thinking like , is GP really

17:31

the right product for manufacturing . So

17:33

kind of came to the conclusion that really

17:36

no , we should be in the NAV space . That's

17:38

more the right product . So

17:40

then we moved to NAV and then Business

17:43

Central . So been doing that

17:45

, like I said , since 2008

17:47

. And just through the jigs and the reels over the

17:49

last 16 years I've worked my way to be the vice

17:51

president of the ERP practice at Sabre

17:53

. So the whole ERP

17:55

implementation side of the business

17:58

runs under my umbrella . So

18:00

that's sort of my day-to-day

18:02

.

18:03

Excellent . It's a lot of responsibility . It's a lot of responsibilities . It's a lot of responsibility

18:06

and it's nice to see the

18:08

progression . I like to hear the history

18:10

of individuals that work within the

18:12

community . Again , the community it's large , but

18:14

it's small . I feel like everybody knows everybody

18:16

, or at least it's coming across everybody .

18:17

I always say that . And it's nice , yeah , and

18:19

what's interesting , I think , about me is that

18:21

I've been with Sabre for

18:23

so long . Like sometimes you find , like you said , it's

18:25

a large space but it's small because you see the same people

18:28

. But you know you move around , you want to do

18:30

different things and go to different places , but

18:32

I've sort of been with

18:34

Sabre for a really long time but you

18:36

get to know a lot of really great people and that's why I

18:38

love what you guys do , because it's so interesting

18:41

to hear their different perspectives and different

18:43

areas of expertise and it grows so

18:45

much and it's such a good way to keep up with the features

18:48

and you know all the integrations

18:50

and the ecosystem and everything that's going on

18:52

. So it's like you said , it's super big

18:54

, it's always changing , but it's

18:56

tight-knit and I feel like it's very like

18:59

everyone always wants to help each other and share knowledge , which

19:01

I I think is cool .

19:02

It is . It's really cool and

19:04

with that , so

19:07

I couldn't think

19:09

of anybody better to ask

19:11

than you .

19:12

Yes , okay , yes .

19:15

So within Business Central we

19:18

have the manufacturing I guess

19:20

you call it module or manufacturing portion

19:22

of it right when somebody

19:24

can produce product

19:27

using production orders

19:29

. Also within

19:31

business central we have assembly orders

19:33

right and

19:35

I often get asked what's

19:38

the difference between a production order and

19:40

assembly order ? When

19:42

would I use a production order versus

19:44

an assembly order ? What

19:46

are the differences between the two ?

19:50

Right .

19:50

And the questions go on and on and on .

19:53

Right ? So we get asked that

19:55

a lot too , especially because we're in the manufacturing

19:58

space , and a lot of the times , if they

20:00

don't have a service component of their business

20:02

, they're really trying to figure out do

20:04

I need the premium license or an essential

20:06

license ? Right , because that's one of the key differences

20:09

between using production orders

20:11

and assembly orders is that assemblies

20:13

are included with an essential license , whereas

20:16

if you want the production orders you

20:18

need the premium license . So that's

20:20

one of the key differences . So

20:23

if you start with sort of how are they the

20:25

same ? They both are supported

20:27

by MRP , so they both can

20:29

be considered supply or demand

20:32

. You can do multi-level

20:34

assembly orders , multi-level production

20:36

orders . You have the ability

20:39

to obviously create bills of materials

20:41

and add items to both bills

20:47

of materials and add items to both . You can make to stock or make to order . Like those things

20:49

are the same . I would say some of the key differences would

20:51

be and these would be the questions

20:54

that I would ask how interested

20:56

are you in capturing labor right

20:58

, like capacity planning , labor

21:01

collection ? Within an assembly

21:03

order , you can add resources . Resources

21:05

can be people or they can be machines

21:08

, but you're really just going to backflash

21:10

a standard At the end of it

21:12

on the production order side

21:14

you'd have the ability to say well

21:16

, I have a work center , in

21:18

that work center I have individual machines

21:21

and you want to look at the capacity between the work center

21:23

group as a whole as well as individual machines . And you want to look at the capacity between

21:25

the work center group as a whole as well as

21:27

individual machines . You want

21:29

to do things like capture , setup

21:32

time , run time , wait time

21:34

, move time . You can't do that in

21:36

an assembly , you can only do that in a production

21:38

order . Like

21:40

I would ask them questions about the capacity

21:43

planning side , like how do you need to see it move

21:45

things around ? And we can get

21:47

into each of these kind of in more detail as we go

21:49

. But the second thing I would ask them is how

21:51

real time that

21:54

order needs to be . So with an assembly

21:56

you're really just you

21:58

have an assembly , you produce something

22:00

, so your ability to status that

22:02

and say this is in the queue versus actively

22:05

being worked on , your ability to

22:07

consume material before you've

22:09

output a finished good you need a

22:11

production order for that . So

22:15

you can kind of get more realistic costs , I

22:17

would say . And then my third consideration

22:19

would be whether or not you subcontract

22:22

. Whether

22:27

or not you subcontract . So if you send parts out for the routing or the labor to be produced

22:29

by a vendor , production orders are better suited

22:31

for that . So ideally

22:34

I would say an assembly is more

22:36

for like a kit scenario . You really care about

22:38

inventory control and

22:40

then production orders . You care more about

22:42

capturing labor , the labor being real

22:45

time capacity planning . You're maybe

22:47

dealing with scheduling concerns

22:49

.

22:51

It's more details on the writing side . That

22:54

was a good quick overview

22:56

of production orders and assembly orders and

22:59

I think we can be done now .

23:01

Yeah , really , I mean we're

23:04

good , that was perfect . Let's go back to

23:06

the cats ?

23:06

No , I'm just kidding .

23:07

Yeah , let's go back to the cats On

23:10

the like each of them though you , you

23:12

. There's differences too , right ? So if you look

23:14

at a bill of material , so for a

23:16

kit or an assembly , you

23:19

can't do what's called a phantom

23:21

inside of an assembly . So

23:23

that means that you have something

23:26

that you're , you have a bill of material

23:28

for . It's a component inside

23:30

of your , your bomb , but you never actually

23:33

stock it or you never actually scrap

23:35

it . So you actually don't need to create the item

23:37

, but you want to have a bill of material associated

23:40

so that you can blow out the demand , the

23:43

ability to add a negative like you can't do that .

23:46

See , I've heard that word before . So a phantom

23:48

bill of material is a

23:50

bill of material for an item that you

23:52

don't produce , but it's just

23:54

a collection of items that

23:57

you can group for planning and

23:59

inventory .

24:01

Yeah , so let's say you have a bomb and

24:03

there's a component on that bomb

24:06

a bill of material we don't

24:08

have bombs here .

24:09

I mean , we have bombs bill of materials

24:11

, but we don't have bombs I know

24:13

let's use the full .

24:14

We got to use the full word one time I was in

24:16

a meeting and because the microsoft , you use

24:18

these acronyms all the time , right

24:20

, I kept saying isv and

24:22

the guy said what is an ISV

24:25

? Stop using it . So I had

24:27

to be cognizant to use the full word

24:29

. But a bill of material . So within

24:32

a bill of material you may have a component

24:34

that you have

24:37

like more components

24:39

for . Think of it as like a multi-level bill of material

24:41

. But you don't actually produce

24:44

that component in the bond . You

24:46

just you have a bunch of raw material

24:48

that you collect , you put together . But think about it when

24:51

you build Lego you immediately take that thing

24:53

and you keep assembling

24:55

it into its parent or whatever you're

24:57

making for . So it would allow

24:59

you to . In Business Central you could create

25:01

a production bond for that item . You

25:04

could list the components that you need for that

25:06

item , meaning you could manage just

25:08

one area . If that bond changes , bill

25:11

of material changes . But then

25:13

you never actually have to create

25:15

an item card for it , you never need

25:17

to output it and put it on

25:20

hand and consume it . So your inventory

25:22

control of that phantom level , you don't need

25:24

it but you can manage a bond for it . I get it . So your inventory control of that phantom level , you don't need it , but you can

25:26

manage a bomb for it .

25:28

I get it . So it's almost like you had

25:30

mentioned . If I'm putting something together

25:32

, I take all of the pieces . I

25:35

have to first put these three things together

25:37

before I can do the rest of it . Is that

25:39

a good way to think of it ? So ?

25:41

I still have the inventory .

25:44

I don't need to create an item for it . I don't

25:46

need to plan for it . I need to plan for the components

25:48

, but it's part of the process

25:50

of building it . I need to build

25:52

this thing maybe first , but build

25:55

this thing with these pieces together , then

25:57

take what is completed and

25:59

then use that to continue building my product

26:01

. Is that a good ?

26:03

that's right but that's a good way to think

26:05

of it , but you don't . But that's a good way to think of it , but you don't like . My key thing is

26:07

that once you take those components and you put

26:09

them together , do you need to

26:11

actually put it on a shelf for some period

26:13

of time ? Like , do you need to know that

26:15

it's there , you know , for inventory

26:17

valuation perspective , or just to

26:20

consume it later or to scrap it ? Like , if you

26:22

take a bunch of components and

26:24

you collect them , you put them together

26:26

, but then you just immediately use

26:28

that little weldment or sub-assembly

26:31

to build something else . You

26:33

just keep building it . So , from

26:35

a planning perspective , if you were to look

26:37

at your bill of material , you might see a phantom

26:40

line which has an ID , but

26:42

when you actually ran your MRP or

26:45

your material requirements , it would actually tell you

26:47

just to purchase or produce

26:49

the components .

26:51

Got it understood

26:54

right .

26:54

So in an assembly there's

26:56

isvs that will allow you to do that

26:58

what's so ? Ben cole . Oh

27:01

, I know sorry .

27:02

Independent software vendor we're gonna get out there

27:04

no , I , I say that in jest , but it is . It's true

27:06

. When we have conversations with the acronyms

27:08

, I do it myself I know it's

27:11

, it's it's assuming a level of understanding

27:13

, and I was just on

27:15

a call with somebody who was new to business central and sometimes

27:18

you forget after working with it for so long

27:20

the terminology is

27:22

quite different than what

27:25

many expect , so

27:27

it's almost like you have to have a language lesson when

27:30

you first start in implementation , because

27:32

this is what we mean .

27:34

There's people that don't even use VAR . Some people

27:36

use VAR and some people just say partner too

27:39

. So that's kind of changed .

27:42

Well , and it's good for you guys to do that is to like

27:44

reset the expectation , to like what are they

27:46

calling it today ? Right ? Because

27:48

to your point , Chris , it does

27:50

change . So it's like does that still mean

27:52

the same thing ? That I thought it was yesterday , but

27:55

yeah , so for the independent software

27:57

vendors they would be like the little apps that

27:59

can plug in .

28:00

So on the assembly side

28:02

there is apps like ben cole

28:04

from erp connect has one called advanced

28:06

assemblies I'm gonna stop right there , I'm

28:09

calling ben after this and I'm gonna

28:11

tell him that he

28:14

needs to like ben . You need to give us kickbacks

28:16

or something , because we've had

28:18

several episodes in a row .

28:19

Now they have such great products .

28:21

Everybody's brought up ben and it's like oh

28:23

, ben cole has this , ben has this

28:25

.

28:26

So I'm gonna call ben after this yeah

28:28

, he's like a little celebrity , I guess , in

28:31

the ecosystem , but he does

28:33

have things like the ability

28:35

to do phantoms , the ability to do version control

28:37

, which is something that production like the ability to do phantoms , the ability to do version control , which is something that production

28:40

bombs allow you to do , but you can't do them in

28:42

assemblies . So sometimes

28:44

you can look at , well , what are the key things that

28:46

production needs that isn't

28:48

in an assembly and then just get

28:50

a little independent software solution

28:53

to be able to plug in or

28:55

, depending on how much of that , you might just

28:57

need the whole premium module

29:00

. Okay , so I'm trying to keep track of the differences

29:03

between as you're speaking the

29:05

differences between production orders and assembly orders

29:07

.

29:07

So I just want to try to reset for a moment . First

29:10

thing is licensing . So

29:12

with business central licensing a difference

29:15

is you need the premium license

29:17

If you want to use production orders

29:19

and manufacturing . You just need the

29:21

essential orders . If you want to use assembly

29:23

orders , only Right . So that's one of the

29:25

first things . From a use case

29:27

point of view , production

29:31

orders have routings and

29:33

you can track capacity

29:35

as well as labor

29:38

time and labor right

29:40

.

29:41

So I would say that both have

29:44

the ability to track labor

29:46

. Assemblies allow

29:48

you to add resources which a

29:51

resource you would just say is a machine

29:53

or a person , and

29:55

then you can put a time to it If

29:58

you want . On production orders you can

30:00

add either a work center or

30:02

a machine center , so you can have

30:04

that kind of big view or down to the machine

30:07

level view .

30:08

Okay , so a work center would be a

30:10

department , potentially right , so you may

30:12

have a department for casting

30:15

assembly or something . Or

30:17

yes , welding . And then

30:19

the machine centers would be welder one

30:21

, welder machine two , welder machine

30:23

three , within that work center for welding

30:26

.

30:27

You could do that , yeah , or you could have

30:29

a work center . That's just . I set up

30:31

a work center for every single machine

30:33

that I have and that's how I want to track it . But you can see

30:35

you have flexibility there . You

30:38

also have the ability to say , instead

30:40

of just one overall

30:42

resource time , which is what you would get on

30:44

an assembly , on a production

30:46

order , you could break out this is the

30:48

setup time for that step , this

30:51

is the run time for that step , here's

30:53

the wait time , the move time . So

30:55

it allows you to have a lot more detail

30:57

in your routing . You

30:59

can also do things like a

31:02

fixed scrap quantity

31:04

. So if you're in an environment

31:06

where you say , well , I have a first piece

31:08

inspection , every time I run this , I need to

31:10

produce an extra piece , you can

31:12

associate that type of

31:14

thing .

31:15

So production orders allow for scrap , assembly

31:18

orders do not .

31:21

Right , yeah , like , like I said

31:23

, resource time is really just like very

31:25

basic . You want to get a little bit of labor cost

31:27

in , but you're really not trying to analyze

31:30

it or break it out into too much detail

31:32

.

31:33

Okay , understood . And

31:35

then you also said manufacturing

31:38

orders have subcontract capabilities

31:41

or subcontractor capabilities

31:43

, and assembly orders do not .

31:46

Yeah . So for the production side of

31:48

things , I would say that you've got the subcontract

31:51

worksheet which is in

31:53

the premium . It works with

31:55

production orders it's really designed

31:57

for I am sending out a

32:00

specific routing step or work center to

32:02

a vendor for outside work

32:04

. So on an assembly

32:07

, could I indicate that

32:09

I've got a resource that is

32:11

an outside service vendor ? Sure

32:14

, but collecting the actual

32:16

cost from a linked purchase order

32:18

back into assembly I can't do that

32:20

very well . If I were

32:22

to have a production order , I

32:25

can indicate that I've got a work center . That

32:27

work center would have a vendor associated

32:30

to it . So it's very clear to everybody

32:32

that this is something that we don't do internally

32:34

for labor . This is something a vendor does . And

32:37

then you have similar to the worksheets

32:39

inside of Business Central . You have what's called a subcontract

32:42

worksheet where you can run

32:44

that and it will calculate

32:47

for you of all of your released production

32:49

orders . So we'll get

32:51

into this . But you can status production

32:53

right , like is it released versus is it

32:55

just in the queue . But for every released production

32:58

order , what do I need to send

33:00

out to vendors ? You

33:02

create a purchase order . That purchase order

33:05

is linked back to the work center and

33:07

that production order and

33:09

then when you post that purchase invoice , that

33:11

actual cost will go into

33:13

the production order . So it allows you a lot more

33:15

accurate costing for that

33:18

subcontract service . So it's just a

33:20

lot better designed for it . I would

33:22

say so .

33:24

You had mentioned production orders can have status

33:26

codes so you can track the

33:29

orders by where they are , and

33:31

some of them were planned , firm , planned

33:33

, released , finished

33:35

. What are they ?

33:37

There's another one right gonna tell

33:39

you let's , let's do . He's always trying to

33:41

test me , chris , we should test him right

33:43

now . No , I'm just , I'm not trying to test you . I'm

33:45

just trying to get a better

33:48

understanding of you were telling

33:50

me earlier , when I meet you in vegas

33:52

for dinner , I have to tell you know

33:54

why you're giving me certain states . So

33:56

I was just teasing with you .

34:00

I see , I see what this is , yeah . So

34:02

on the assembly order side , chris , we're

34:05

just deleting this episode yeah , just

34:07

throw it out .

34:08

It's just for us . It's trapped . This is just for fun

34:10

now .

34:11

But the assembly orders

34:13

, they're kind of they're created

34:15

and

34:20

you output to say something's produced which would consume the material , but then it's

34:22

just finished once everything has been

34:24

output , once you've made everything

34:26

you're supposed to make . That's kind of . So it kind

34:28

of gets created and then it goes into a black hole

34:30

. Now , with a production order

34:32

, you can create a simulated

34:34

production order which is really just for like

34:36

quoting , estimating , trying

34:38

to figure out how costs would come . The

34:41

planning worksheet can create

34:43

you a planned production

34:45

order , meaning that it's something that probably

34:49

is needed . You're planning for it

34:51

but nobody's committed to it . Think of it maybe

34:53

like that . Then you

34:55

can do a firm planned production

34:58

order , which I like to think of this

35:00

as I've committed to making it

35:02

. It's firmed up , I will make

35:04

it for this quantity , this item

35:06

, this date , but it's

35:08

not actively being worked on , so it's

35:10

like in the queue . If you will , then

35:13

you can release a

35:16

firm planned production order or just start

35:18

it as released To me . That

35:20

indicates I've released it to the shop

35:22

floor . Somebody's working

35:24

on it . So if I want to increase the quantity

35:27

, if I want to change a material

35:29

or a work center , I know I have to go and find

35:31

it , figure out where it is and maybe change paperwork

35:34

and change it in my system , and then there's

35:36

a finished status . So

35:38

you've got a lot more statusing capability

35:41

to be able to indicate well

35:43

, where , like , has this even been started

35:46

?

35:47

Got it and so a simulated production

35:49

order is for costing . So if you

35:51

wanted to put something together to make like a cost sheet

35:53

I've heard people say they wanted to do cost

35:56

sheets right . So is that what you would use a simulated

35:58

order for ?

35:58

Or quote yeah , like maybe you're quoting

36:00

a new product line and you want to add some

36:02

items and some work centers to it to

36:04

figure out what your material and labor cost

36:06

would be . You know , for the purposes of quoting

36:09

, but you're not going to transact against it

36:11

, you're not going to consume against

36:13

it , you won't build against it .

36:15

It's really just for the purposes of figuring

36:17

out , like potentially , at like , what a cost

36:19

could look like okay , and then

36:21

a planned and firm , planned , released

36:24

orders , uh orders that you're

36:26

working on or you will work on , and

36:29

then yeah , I would say release would be

36:31

.

36:31

You're working on it . Released is finished . Order you're done

36:33

finished .

36:34

What is that ? You mentioned

36:36

material requirements , so I'm going

36:38

to guess here . Simulated orders

36:40

don't show up in your material

36:43

requirements . Planning do planned

36:45

and firm planned , or does a firm

36:47

plan and a plan doesn't ?

36:49

yeah , so most often a planned order

36:51

is created because you're running some kind

36:53

of planning tool like the planning worksheet , so

36:56

it will plan for you what

36:59

you need , depending , depending on the item setup , if you've

37:01

included it to plan . But it can plan

37:03

for you all the material down

37:05

to your lowest level , so it can

37:07

be your raw materials , it can be sub

37:09

assemblies and so it will create

37:12

basically a planned production

37:14

order . Let's say , if it was produced item all

37:17

the way down , like I said , to your lowest level , and typically

37:20

you've got like a planning tool that does that , like

37:23

that you're running , and then a person

37:26

will look at the planned orders from

37:28

, say , an MRP , and then

37:30

they will firm them up because they commit

37:32

to that quantity , that date . They've

37:35

validated that it truly makes sense . Because

37:37

a planning worksheet is just a suggestion

37:40

, right , and I always say it's

37:42

dumb and dutiful so it shouldn't replace

37:44

a human that actually looks at that and validates

37:47

that that was a good suggestion . And

37:49

then they would create that firm

37:51

plan which puts it into like the to-do

37:53

queue so that the production

37:55

team knows okay , this is what you should actually

37:58

be building .

37:59

Okay , and then released means it's released

38:02

to the floor or released

38:04

for work .

38:06

Right and I mean there's

38:09

no hard rules in the system . Like I know

38:11

some people who say well , you know , as soon as

38:13

we create the orders , we're running that production

38:15

pretty quickly , so they might just create

38:18

a released order right out of the gate . But

38:21

the idea here , I think , on the production

38:23

order side , is you have a lot more flexibility

38:26

in how you want to produce items

38:28

, where you want to collect , when

38:30

you consume , how you consume

38:32

if your consumption's related

38:34

to output , like , you have a lot more flexibility

38:38

instead of it just being like it exists

38:40

and it's done .

38:43

Perfect , Thank you . That

38:45

explains the types . So there's five

38:47

types of statuses for production orders . You

38:50

also had mentioned we can do versioning of

38:52

bill of materials in production orders with

38:55

assembly orders . We cannot do that . And

38:57

then also we can have say

38:59

I wrote this down , phantom

39:03

bill of materials and you cannot have

39:05

them in the assembly orders . Can you have multiple

39:07

levels on assembly orders ?

39:09

You can Yep , so you can have

39:11

multi-level assembly orders . So

39:13

if we look at like , say , the master

39:16

data , so if we want to look at differences , we

39:18

could start kind of from the masters

39:20

and work our way down . So a

39:22

kit or an assembly

39:24

, its bill of materials , is

39:26

created on the item card itself . So

39:29

you would have one assembly bomb

39:31

potentially for each of the items that

39:33

you create On the production

39:36

order side , items

39:39

that you create On the production order side . You would create a production bomb in the production

39:42

bomb page , so it's sort of separate from the item card . You'd

39:44

create the bill of material and then

39:46

you associate it back to an

39:49

item or multiple items

39:51

. So that's kind of a neat thing about

39:53

production as well is if you have an

39:55

item and you say all

39:57

of these groups of items , they're , they're

39:59

built the exact same way , they have the exact

40:01

same material , they have the exact

40:03

same quantities that are required and how I

40:05

calculate those quantities required are the same

40:08

. You could associate one bill of material

40:10

to 50 items

40:12

if you want , which means that you

40:14

only have to maintain one bill

40:16

of material if there's a change ah

40:21

, so the assembly items

40:23

assembled items have a bill material

40:26

unique to an item and

40:29

produced I'm just using assembled

40:31

because of assembly orders , to my terminology here .

40:33

Yeah , and produced items because

40:36

you're using production bill . Materials or production

40:38

orders for them don't

40:41

have a bill of material associated with

40:43

them . They don't have

40:45

a unique bill of materials directly

40:47

associated with them . They have a bill of

40:49

material associated with them . That's

40:51

a group of items , but that bill of material can be shared

40:53

, so a bill of material itself is its own entity

40:56

that can be used

40:58

as part of other items .

41:00

Right so the bill of material is created

41:02

separate from the item and then you associate

41:05

it back later and it could be there's one

41:07

bill of material for every item , or

41:09

it could be there's one bill of material that , to your

41:11

point , is shared between lots of items

41:13

.

41:15

Got it .

41:16

Lots of differences mean

41:22

lots of items got it .

41:24

Lots of differences , see I in . So there is no . It is interesting because

41:26

I've heard that question

41:28

asked several times and I like to see you

41:30

know what the real answer is .

41:33

Right , so yeah , and it's like a

41:35

conversation really right . It's not

41:37

an answer , because it becomes well

41:40

, how do you , how do you ? And

41:42

then you have to kind of strip back

41:44

the onion and then you're trying to find

41:46

like features or functions that would say

41:48

, ooh , that's going to put you into this bucket

41:51

. So like another one . As an example is

41:53

, on your bill of material

41:55

you have a quantity per , so

41:58

basically what the system can do is calculate Well

42:01

, assembly bill material .

42:02

Okay , thank you , so on both .

42:03

You have to indicate for the component

42:06

items how much of that

42:08

component item do you need to build one

42:10

of the end item ? On

42:12

a production BOM bill

42:14

of material , you would have the ability to

42:16

say well , my calculation formula

42:19

is take the quantity per

42:21

that I've indicated , times

42:23

it by the quantity that I need to produce

42:25

, and then tell me that's the expected

42:27

quantity . So if you had a

42:30

bike and you need a front wheel

42:32

, then you need one front

42:34

wheel . If I'm making 10 bikes , I need 10

42:37

front wheels . You

42:39

could , though , change your calculation formula

42:41

on a production bill of material to say

42:43

well , I want it to calculate based on length

42:46

, therefore you're going to put in a

42:48

length dimension . Or you

42:50

could say I want it to calculate based on

42:52

length times width , and

42:54

therefore you're going to plug in those fields , and it will calculate

42:57

the expected quantity based on taking a length times a width , and therefore you're going to plug in those fields and it will calculate the expected quantity based

42:59

on taking a length times

43:01

a width . So there's a few

43:03

different options there . You can do weight

43:05

, you can do a fixed quantity . You

43:08

don't have that functionality when you

43:10

look at an assembly built material

43:12

.

43:13

That's a big difference . So if somebody's a producer

43:15

of something that's . I want a desk

43:17

that's four feet by six feet . My

43:20

materials would vary , because

43:22

I may also make a desk that's three feet by five

43:24

feet , yeah

43:26

, like there's definitely different ways to

43:29

do it , but the yeah

43:31

, when you're calculating your expected quantity

43:33

there's .

43:35

It's not always just well , I've

43:37

got so much of an item and

43:39

if I'm building 10 of them , I need 10 times

43:41

that amount . Like it's not always that

43:43

cut and dry . So it's it's the most

43:45

common one that I see people use

43:47

it that way , but there

43:50

is , there is flexibility around that

43:52

.

43:53

So so you're saying , like if you get , like if you

43:55

order two 10 foot tables and then

43:57

you have to , you

43:59

have to order the material of

44:01

. Let's say , they only come in 30

44:04

feet , 30 feet table , so you have

44:06

a , you would , you would

44:08

somehow break it down how much you

44:10

need to build those two tables , in

44:13

a sense .

44:14

Like ultimately that's what like a building material

44:17

would do is you're breaking out how much material do I

44:19

need to build those two tables ? And you can do

44:21

it different ways . You could do it by calculating

44:23

, like you said , different dimensions . You could do it

44:25

by having just different unique items

44:27

because maybe they come in those cut pieces

44:30

already . You could have

44:32

it with like an item and a variant . But

44:34

when you start looking

44:36

into that scenario , like you said , where it's like

44:38

I've got variation , it's not always the

44:40

same . Sometimes you want to look more at like

44:42

a production order because it just it

44:45

doesn't close your door as quickly . Yeah

44:51

, yeah . So we talked about

44:53

the like . If you think about master

44:55

records , you can copy BOMs

44:58

, production bills , materials and routings

45:00

. You can't do that on assemblies . You

45:02

can do version control , like

45:05

we spoke about . You've

45:08

got I'm trying to think of

45:10

like other main ones . The

45:12

other thing on a production

45:14

bill of material is you could add a negative

45:17

quantity . So when it's calculating

45:19

what materials are needed

45:21

and it's coming up with your production

45:24

order component list , let's

45:26

say you're in an industry where you have some scrap

45:28

recovery , like we've dealt

45:30

with customers where they say , well , I've got a certain

45:32

material that is left over and

45:35

I can actually turn around and sell that back

45:37

and get a profit for

45:40

it . So when they produce something , they need to be

45:42

able to capture that scrap recovery . So

45:45

on a production bill of material

45:47

you're typically indicating the items that

45:49

you want to consume , which is when you post

45:51

it . It's going to decrease your inventory . But

45:54

you can add a negative

45:56

quantity to a production bill

45:58

of material so that when you post your

46:01

consumption of it it would actually

46:03

increase an on-hand

46:06

value or quantity .

46:09

So it's like a byproduct maybe

46:12

.

46:12

Yes , that's like a common term for it

46:14

, but like basically you're saying that like you've got

46:16

material coming back and increasing

46:19

.

46:19

So , like I said , the most common

46:21

one that I do see is that like sort of scrap

46:24

recovery on an assembly Like

46:26

cable , like a cable where , like you use

46:28

a certain amount of cable and it's like I don't need , didn't

46:30

need all of that to have scrap , you can resell

46:33

some of those cable . Is

46:35

that a good example ?

46:35

you'd probably just buy in like a roll and

46:38

then on the actual order you would just indicate

46:41

the inches or the feet that you actually

46:43

need . So you're you would only put

46:45

in what you expect to use . Um

46:47

, this would be like if you're expecting

46:50

to get a product back

46:52

that might be different . So

46:54

, like in the scenario you're using of

46:56

the cable , it's all one part , right , like it's just how much of that one part

46:58

did I use ? In the scenario you're using of the cable , it's all one part , right , like it's just how much of that one part did

47:00

I use ? In the case that I'm using , I'm

47:03

indicating I'm making this part , I'm

47:05

consuming these raw materials

47:07

, but I'm also going

47:09

to get and Brad , you kind of mentioned it , like I'm going to get this

47:11

other product that's going to increase

47:14

my on-hand that I might sell or

47:16

I might use to consume in another

47:18

part . So it would have unique part

47:20

IDs . What I think is the key difference than

47:22

what you're talking about .

47:23

So it's a different item that you're getting back and it's

47:25

not a component item , nor is it the finished

47:27

item . It's another item

47:30

that's a byproduct of putting all of those

47:32

together and falling

47:34

off . I guess you could say so you put all this together

47:36

and there's something

47:38

left over , and that's something after .

47:40

left over is not those components , it's something

47:42

different and then that's something

47:44

that you can do something with , you can sell

47:46

it back to you know , get some

47:48

uh revenue from that

47:51

because it's a high value

47:53

product or things

47:55

like that . So that's that's what

47:57

I mean by that , yeah okay , okay

47:59

, another one that

48:02

I've heard conversation

48:04

on .

48:04

What about you ? You mentioning scrap tracking

48:07

and you can do scrap with production orders

48:09

, not assembly orders . What about loss

48:12

? Is that the same as scrap , or is loss

48:14

different ?

48:16

yeah , like um , I

48:19

think that's the same , I don't know in the context

48:21

that you're thinking of it , but like yeah , you would indicate

48:23

the other thing . I think to kind

48:25

of maybe what you're talking about

48:28

, maybe not , but the ability to

48:30

be more specific in what

48:32

you're consuming . So , for example

48:34

, on an assembly order you

48:36

have an expected quantity that you need to consume

48:39

. So if you want to consume

48:41

a little bit less than you're expected , that's

48:43

very easy . You can consume less

48:45

, you can have a little bit left over and you

48:48

know . Just clear that out and close your production

48:50

order . If you wanted to say

48:52

, oh , I used more , like

48:54

I use this product , then

48:57

I realized , oh crap , that's not really what I

48:59

want and I had to use a little bit more . Or

49:01

maybe I was training , so I used

49:03

a little bit more and I'm okay to have that cost

49:05

go into the cost of the production order . Over-consuming

49:09

your expected quantity is

49:11

, I'll just say , a lot easier

49:14

in a production order , because if

49:16

my expected quantity was 10 and

49:18

I want to use the production journal or the consumption

49:21

journal to say I consumed 11 , the

49:24

system lets 11 be the number

49:26

and you post it and it decreases 11

49:28

. If I have a assembly

49:30

order and I list that I expect

49:32

to use 10 and I enter

49:34

11 , I get an error . So

49:37

now potentially I have to play with that

49:39

quantity , per that calculated my

49:41

expected quantity and

49:43

have it come up with making sure that my

49:45

expected quantity is 11 . Like it's just

49:47

a . It's not easy

49:50

, right ? I can't just easily go in and

49:52

say I didn't use 10 , I used 12

49:54

and post it . So

49:56

that's what we say on the production order side

49:58

. It allows you to be a little bit more detailed

50:00

and accurate and like real time with

50:03

what really happened , whereas

50:05

I would say on an assembly you're

50:07

more looking to just backflash the

50:10

expected items , the expected resource

50:12

time and indicate that you made

50:14

something . You're not as interested in

50:16

the exact

50:18

resource time or maybe

50:21

even material , because it's just standard

50:23

all the time , it doesn't change very much or it's just

50:25

not important yeah

50:29

, that that's just like liquid , right

50:31

, I think liquid was .

50:32

Um , I was on a project once and

50:34

I just didn't quite understand how you would capture

50:38

overflow and loss

50:40

and liquid stuff .

50:42

That's what I was thinking . I worked with someone who worked with precious

50:44

metals and they had gold , and so

50:46

they made something with gold , right , and

50:48

then the gold would expect . I'll just keep it

50:50

simple . Do you use ounces up there ?

50:54

Yeah , we use ounces

50:56

. That's

51:05

a serious question . Y a serious question because in canada , because

51:07

the imperial metric thing , yes , the imperial , versus metric .

51:09

But in canada what I've learned is

51:11

they use the imperial sometime and the metric

51:13

sometimes , but sometimes for the same thing , because certain

51:16

things they use inches and feet for , and

51:18

there's certain things you don't meet us for so

51:20

they're trying to like , yeah , they're trying to

51:22

satisfy both systems , so they kind of straddle

51:24

the fence we're people , pleasers up here

51:26

, that's right but no , they were

51:28

talking about where they had

51:31

something that may use an ounce

51:33

of gold and

51:35

they want to recover the scrap , obviously because

51:37

gold is precious and

51:39

has a lot of value . So I

51:41

need to give you one ounce to produce something

51:43

that may use 0.75 ounces

51:45

. The scrap right

51:48

there should be 0.25 ounces , but

51:50

in the manufacturing process they

51:52

may lose 0.02 ounces due

51:54

to you know , if you're cutting

51:56

something , you're going to have a

51:58

slight loss . That's where I was coming up

52:00

with being able to try . See , I'm trying to learn

52:03

some things here .

52:03

Well , and scrap too is good If

52:05

you know that you're always going to get some scrap

52:08

, like you always know that it's going to be 2%

52:10

, 5% , 10% more . On

52:12

the production bomb you can indicate a scrap

52:14

percent . So if you're using something like

52:16

a planning worksheet or an automated system

52:19

, it will calculate that you

52:21

need to buy a little bit more or make a little

52:23

bit more , but then when you actually go to do

52:25

the consumption it'll account

52:27

for that and it will even break it out

52:29

sometimes in the entries when you go and

52:31

look at it , so you'll be able to see this much was

52:33

good material , much was

52:36

scrap material . So , yeah

52:39

, there's different like levels of detail

52:41

, for sure , on that . Um

52:44

, yeah

52:46

, I'm trying to think of another one that would be different

52:48

on the assemblies well , the assembly

52:51

orders .

52:51

I know , on the item card . I've seen replenishment

52:54

systems . You know , is it assembled ? Is it produced ? I've seen replenishment systems

52:56

, you know , is it assembled

52:58

? Is it produced ? I've seen assembled to order

53:01

. What is that play

53:03

into this at all ?

53:05

So on a assembly

53:07

, or so you can , you can have both

53:09

of them auto reserve , to like

53:12

sales orders as an example . So you

53:14

can do an assemble to order or

53:16

assemble to stock . So when you do an assemble

53:18

to order , that would essentially mean

53:20

that as soon as you put a quantity on a sales

53:22

order , it's going to automatically create a

53:24

kit item or an assembly order . The

53:27

key thing with that is that when

53:29

you see that assembly order

53:32

, you aren't able to post that

53:34

assembly quantity and put it into inventory

53:36

. You essentially , when you ship

53:39

it , it's going to automatically post

53:41

the output of the assembly order and

53:44

use that for the shipment . So

53:46

that's something that you want to

53:48

be careful of , right , because you might say but I

53:50

do want to stock it , even though it's for

53:52

this order , I want to stock it and I

53:54

move it around my warehouse . So

53:56

in that case and you can do this on both

53:59

you could create an

54:01

assembly order or a production order

54:03

. That's just for stock , for

54:05

inventory , so it's not tied to an order , but you could

54:07

reserve it manually to an order

54:09

, which would allow you to be able

54:11

to output both . You could put it on hand

54:14

, you could move it around your warehouse . That

54:17

functionality would be available in both .

54:19

So the assemble to order option

54:21

with an assembly order . When you put an item

54:24

on the sales line with

54:26

a quantity , it automatically creates

54:29

an assembly order for that quantity

54:31

, which at that point just becomes a document

54:33

because it doesn't get produced

54:35

. I use the word produced or the

54:37

output doesn't happen ?

54:39

Transacted yes .

54:40

Thank you , I'll use that from going forward . It doesn't

54:42

get transacted . Thank you , it doesn't get

54:44

transacted until you ship the order

54:46

and then it automatically posts

54:48

the assembly order , increasing

54:51

the inventory then shipping

54:53

, decreasing the components . Yes , decreasing

54:56

the components , thank you . Increasing the output of the assembled item , then shipping the components

54:58

. Yes , decreasing the components , thank you . Increasing the output of the assembled

55:00

item , then shipping it . So

55:03

that's not really something that's meant to be tracked

55:05

, because how would you put it through the system

55:07

? It's something that maybe , when

55:09

they're shipping it , they kid it . So

55:12

the right .

55:13

So I'm just trying to think of a use case for that to , to

55:15

get a better understanding of when yeah , and

55:17

that could be like a kit scenario , right

55:19

, Like I've got these kit items

55:21

as I only kit them together when somebody

55:24

orders them . So when somebody orders

55:26

them , you want to be able . And again this drives

55:28

back to like I need the inventory control

55:30

of the components and that's what you really care about

55:32

. But you don't really care about the labor , because

55:34

it's such a quick process and the

55:36

labor time might be like very small . So

55:38

an order comes in , they need 10

55:40

of these kits . Somebody goes , they

55:42

pick the components , they put them together

55:44

, put them in a bag , put them in whatever

55:47

, they ship them out . So by

55:49

the time somebody gets that order , picks

55:51

those parts and ships it . It's so quick

55:54

that I don't need to consume

55:56

in one step , output in

55:58

one step , see it on the shelf

56:00

, then use it for shipping . It's just too many

56:03

transactions , it's too many touches , it's

56:05

not . It doesn't run over a long

56:07

enough period of time to

56:10

justify all those transactions . Which

56:12

answers or dovetails into like

56:14

what you were talking about . Like when would you use

56:17

one ? Right , you would use a production

56:19

order if you tend to start something and

56:22

it's produced over like a few weeks

56:24

or even a few months , and with

56:26

a production order . You would have the ability

56:28

to be able to consume inventory

56:31

without outputting a finished good

56:33

. You would have the ability to

56:35

a

56:41

finished good . You would have the ability to tie a certain operation step to material components

56:43

using what's called a routing link code , where you could say , well , without outputting

56:45

and saying I finished the end product

56:47

, I finished it at this operation

56:50

let's say it's the saw cutting operation

56:52

, so I want to consume these

56:54

materials because at that point they're

56:57

in my whip , I no longer have them

56:59

on my shelf .

57:04

And then maybe you've got more items that are listed on your bill of material and

57:06

you could consume those just at the end when

57:08

you produce them or

57:11

through another operation so

57:20

with the production order , you can have components consumed as they go through the routing at certain

57:22

steps , because that's where you expect the consumption

57:25

to occur , because it is , you

57:27

know , maybe have a routing step of assembly

57:29

, so assembly is going to take x

57:31

components are , and then it's

57:33

going to automatically consume those when

57:36

an assembly order it does

57:38

it whenever you it's basically

57:40

when you say you're finished the end part

57:43

it will consume whatever you

57:45

have in your consumption quantity , like

57:47

whatever you've indicated there . So

57:50

basically , on

57:52

the operation , the work center or

57:54

machine center and the material , you

57:56

have something called the flushing method . So

57:59

your flushing method , to your point

58:01

, brad will indicate when do I want to consume

58:03

material ? And you don't have this capability

58:06

with an assembly order . So

58:08

if you've got manual

58:10

, which means that somebody will manually

58:13

go in at some point

58:15

, they will use what's called the consumption journal

58:17

or the production journal to enter in the

58:19

date , the item , the quantity

58:22

, both support lot and serial

58:24

tracking , and they'll indicate

58:26

I want to consume this specific

58:28

component on this specific order . Nothing

58:31

to do with what was produced , nothing to do with

58:33

operation . You can do what's

58:35

called a forward flush , which

58:37

means we talked earlier about the status

58:39

codes as soon as somebody

58:41

changes the status from firm plan

58:44

to released , it would then

58:46

consume any forward flush

58:48

material . So at that point

58:50

, whatever the expected quantity is , it

58:52

will decrease that inventory

58:55

and it will issue that cost . You

58:58

could do backward , which

59:00

means that you are going to when the status

59:03

changes from released to

59:05

finished , it will automatically

59:07

consume . At that point you

59:11

can also use

59:14

backward with a routing

59:16

link . So the key difference

59:18

there is that when you

59:20

have just backward turned on , it

59:23

means that it's tied to the status of the

59:25

production order as a whole With

59:28

a routing link you're

59:30

going to associate on this

59:32

operation step . You'd

59:35

have the same routing link on your bill

59:38

of material items and it will say

59:40

when you finish this operation

59:42

, that's when I want you

59:44

to consume the inventory . So

59:46

it could be all . At the end or during

59:49

the process you can also do the same

59:51

forward and backward associated to

59:53

picks . So you can see

59:55

there you've got a lot more . I

59:57

call it like real time . It's not like when it actually

1:00:00

happens , but it's like

1:00:02

close enough , it's it's , but

1:00:04

it's more . Throughout the process

1:00:06

, over a couple of weeks or a couple

1:00:08

of months , you're in stages

1:00:10

and steps consuming inventory , and

1:00:12

stages and steps you're outputting production

1:00:15

. Um , you're

1:00:18

tied to a step in process . Yeah , yeah

1:00:20

.

1:00:21

So you can have manual flushing

1:00:23

, backward , flushing backward

1:00:25

with router link codes flushing and forward

1:00:28

flushing , and those all determine when the components

1:00:31

get consumed and put into your working process

1:00:33

. So

1:00:35

for your inventory evaluation or your component

1:00:37

tracking , you have a better control

1:00:40

of your inventory . Whereas an assembly order is

1:00:42

, I post it . It's done , that's

1:00:44

it .

1:00:45

Right . So if you have like

1:00:47

a bunch of assemblies and you say , well , I start

1:00:50

them , but then they're not done for a month , it's going to be an

1:00:52

entire month before any of that inventory

1:00:55

component is going to be consumed . So if

1:00:57

you're doing like MRP planning

1:00:59

, which it really does rely on a

1:01:02

good , accurate on-hand quantity

1:01:04

, that's too long . You can't

1:01:06

wait an entire

1:01:08

month after you've done something or used product

1:01:11

to tell your system that it's been used . So

1:01:13

with these flushing methods it

1:01:15

allows you to be able to consume

1:01:18

inventory more around the time that you're actually

1:01:20

using it . And you can do the same thing

1:01:22

with , like I said , labor time . So

1:01:25

you could say , well , certain

1:01:28

operations , I want to capture

1:01:30

actual time . So someone's going

1:01:32

to indicate this is when I started , this is

1:01:34

when I finished . Or there might be certain

1:01:36

operations where you're like , meh , that's just

1:01:38

inspection , it's always a half an hour . I

1:01:41

want a little bit of cost track , but I really don't

1:01:43

need anybody to clock in and be

1:01:45

that accurate . If it's 28 minutes or 35

1:01:47

minutes , I don't care . Then you can also

1:01:49

put a flushing method on your

1:01:51

work center .

1:01:54

Excellent . One thing I was thinking

1:01:56

of as you were talking about this , and you were talking about

1:01:58

assembly or production , or producing in

1:02:03

Business Central . Is there

1:02:05

a way to do disassembly ? So what

1:02:07

happens if we produce a product

1:02:10

that goes on our shelf and

1:02:13

we either

1:02:15

want to break it down because those components can be used

1:02:18

in other products , or

1:02:20

if a customer returns a product

1:02:22

, there may

1:02:24

be some value in

1:02:26

the components that are part of that product to

1:02:28

reproduce something , or

1:02:31

if there's a defective output . So

1:02:33

again , same thing we're making a desk . Go

1:02:35

back to the example that Chris was talking about earlier . So

1:02:37

again , same thing . We're making a desk . Go back to the example that Chris

1:02:39

was talking about earlier . We're

1:02:47

making a desk and we realize , you know , the desk may have a top and it may have legs and may have

1:02:50

little rubber feet , but it gets produced and there's damage to the top Right

1:03:01

.

1:03:02

But we want to salvage the legs and the rubber feet because they're still intact and the way

1:03:04

that they're fastened . We can , you know , in essence unscrew them and then use them for

1:03:06

, else use them elsewhere , excuse me , or for another desk . Yeah , so again you've got

1:03:08

like flexibility on that with the production order side , because

1:03:11

when you do the output you can indicate a good output quantity . That's what I made , that's good

1:03:13

, usable on hand , I can use it to ship and then you can indicate

1:03:15

a scrap quantity and

1:03:18

then in places like the output journal you can actually

1:03:20

have it calculate for you what

1:03:23

the or sorry , in the consumption journal

1:03:25

, what it should consume as an expected

1:03:27

quantity based on what was expected

1:03:29

, which wouldn't include the scrap . Or

1:03:32

you can have it calculate if you've already done the

1:03:34

output and you've indicated that there was some scrap

1:03:37

, and it will actually calculate a little

1:03:39

bit more to consume , because

1:03:41

it will look and say well , I assume

1:03:43

that if you made 10 and two were

1:03:45

bad , you needed enough components to make

1:03:47

12 . But then you can go

1:03:49

through those consumption journal lines and

1:03:51

maybe , to your point , you can salvage some of

1:03:53

them so you could change the quantities

1:03:56

Like those things would be a

1:03:58

lot easier to manage in a production

1:04:01

order On an assembly . Like I

1:04:03

said , you've kind of just made it or not , and

1:04:06

you can't really go back after

1:04:08

easily and say , oh , I want to add

1:04:10

inventory back or I want to change

1:04:12

what I consumed for just a component

1:04:14

, for just an assembly item , like

1:04:16

some of these things you can do , but

1:04:18

they're just clunky and they're a

1:04:21

workaround if you will right , like

1:04:23

you're kind of manipulating it to make it work

1:04:25

.

1:04:25

I can add numbers together on

1:04:27

a piece of paper or I could use a calculator . The

1:04:30

calculator is much easier than

1:04:32

a piece of paper . So I understand

1:04:35

that what we're talking about . You

1:04:37

can get things to work , but the

1:04:40

more efficient way , it's more designed for

1:04:42

it . Yeah yeah , I appreciate that . I appreciate

1:04:44

that well . I'm learning a lot about production

1:04:47

orders and assembly same this

1:04:49

is good that's the goal I did

1:04:52

.

1:04:52

Um , I have done a couple presentations

1:04:54

on it . That's why it is a good topic , because a lot of people

1:04:56

do ask about it , because they don't

1:04:58

know which one to use . And I

1:05:00

mean I always say this

1:05:03

, like the more you want to do inside

1:05:05

the system , probably the more pages you have

1:05:07

to set up and maintain , the more transactions

1:05:10

maybe you have to do . So you do want to justify

1:05:12

, like , what data am I capturing

1:05:14

? Like sometimes you look at things you're

1:05:17

like that'd be great , but if you're not doing it now

1:05:19

, like a common example of that would be capacity

1:05:22

planning . Right , people are like , oh , I want

1:05:24

production orders because you know

1:05:26

, down the line I really want to be able

1:05:28

to schedule and capacity plan and see

1:05:30

what's loaded to work centers and individual

1:05:32

machine centers . But if

1:05:34

they're not experiencing bottlenecks or

1:05:36

they're not experiencing things where they

1:05:38

go to produce something and they can't because they've got

1:05:40

machine breakdowns , like maybe you just start with assemblies

1:05:43

and then down the line you move to production

1:05:45

orders . When you do find that you

1:05:47

have set up and run times and you're actually going

1:05:49

to use them and they're accurate and

1:05:52

people do need to collect actual

1:05:54

labor , like you could always move to it , need

1:05:57

to collect actual labor , like you could always move to it . And one of the things I always

1:05:59

say about assemblies and production with configuration worksheets

1:06:01

and like being able to import and export data

1:06:03

the structure of , let's say , an assembly

1:06:05

bomb and a production bomb is very similar

1:06:08

. So if you exported all your assembly

1:06:10

bombs and then you could pretty

1:06:12

easily paste that into a production bomb

1:06:14

template and then just upload everything

1:06:17

, what you're going to find is just your production

1:06:19

BOM template has a lot more fields , right

1:06:21

, like your calculation formula fields , or

1:06:23

it has length , width , weight . You

1:06:25

know those things because you need them . So sometimes

1:06:28

it can be easier to start with assemblies

1:06:30

, if you don't need subcontract

1:06:33

, if you don't need advanced capacity

1:06:35

planning , and then later down the line

1:06:38

increase your license to a premium

1:06:40

and just I'll call it migrate . You'd have

1:06:42

to massage your data a little bit , but just migrate

1:06:45

your assemblies over and then create

1:06:47

the routings that you need , which , again

1:06:49

, if you've got resources , is pretty easy no

1:06:52

, that's that's a good

1:06:54

that's awesome no , that's a good thing to

1:06:56

look at because I

1:06:58

like what you had mentioned

1:07:00

and it goes back to something we spoke about when you were

1:07:02

on with us towards the end of last year

1:07:05

. Really , understanding

1:07:07

the differences between the two can

1:07:09

help your implementation

1:07:12

, because there's a cost

1:07:14

difference between the premium and the essentials

1:07:16

license at this point . Is

1:07:19

a cost between difference between the premium and the essentials license at

1:07:21

this point ? And the other key point that you had mentioned was the setup . Assembly orders

1:07:24

are easier to set up and process

1:07:26

than production . When I say easier

1:07:29

, there's less to do so it's

1:07:31

, it's if you're in , there's less to do .

1:07:33

Yeah , if your business doesn't need , there's a cost to setting it up . Yes , if your business doesn't

1:07:35

need all of that , there's a cost to setting it up .

1:07:36

Yes , If your business doesn't need all of that detail

1:07:39

, then assembly orders may

1:07:41

be perfect . Where production orders , you can do the same

1:07:43

thing in essence , but it has a lot

1:07:46

more detail which may not be relevant

1:07:48

to you . And I do like the point that you had

1:07:50

mentioned . You can start off with assembly

1:07:52

orders and then move to production

1:07:54

orders relatively easy with

1:07:57

configuration packages . So

1:08:02

even if

1:08:04

today you start off with assembly orders

1:08:06

, you can grow into .

1:08:07

I guess is grow the right word ? No , I would say that Progress

1:08:09

grow .

1:08:10

Yeah , as your business evolves and you realize

1:08:12

now I need the additional information , I can

1:08:14

move over to production orders . Or , if

1:08:17

there's not some clarity on which may be the best

1:08:19

to fit for whatever reason , right , I'm

1:08:27

not saying that if everybody understands the differences in an organization moving to use assembly

1:08:29

orders or production orders , or even just a business central may not understand

1:08:31

which is better . They could start with

1:08:33

assembly order see if it meets their requirements or

1:08:35

their needs and then easily move over to production

1:08:38

orders without having to pay for that

1:08:40

licensing and set up upfront to

1:08:42

find out . They

1:08:44

have to automate a lot of steps or do something

1:08:46

that would have been done with assembly

1:08:48

orders .

1:08:50

Well , I was just going to say like one of the things I

1:08:52

always kind of keep in the back of my mind

1:08:54

as I'm implementing is you want people

1:08:56

to prove they need something right

1:08:58

, so to your point , you want to start simple

1:09:01

and then prove that you need

1:09:03

production like prove that you need

1:09:05

more . So you start with assemblies where you know you

1:09:07

can add items , you know you can add some resource

1:09:10

time , you know you can add quantities

1:09:12

that you need . You know you can do multi-level builds

1:09:14

of material . You know you can

1:09:16

associate them to items , you can build them to stock

1:09:18

and production . You build that and

1:09:20

then somebody's like but I

1:09:22

really need to see my setup time and my run time

1:09:24

. Or

1:09:29

but I really need to capture that saw cutting is done , but this next operation

1:09:31

is not done . Then you start

1:09:34

to realize , oh okay , maybe assemblies are

1:09:36

too simple and then again

1:09:38

, migrating that over , it's

1:09:40

just not a like , it's not like , it's no

1:09:42

work , but it's very much transferable

1:09:45

it

1:09:47

may be easier to transfer it

1:09:49

than to set it up .

1:09:50

It's easier to transfer assembly orders . If you need production

1:09:53

owners to set up , then to set up production orders

1:09:55

and not need them maybe

1:09:58

. Yeah , does my logic sound

1:10:00

sound

1:10:02

?

1:10:02

yeah

1:10:04

, I think I think to your point earlier . Just want

1:10:07

to make sure that you know , when you do evolve

1:10:10

, that there is a cost to set up

1:10:12

and there is also

1:10:14

a cost to maintain it as well , and there's

1:10:17

also a cost to maintain it as well

1:10:21

Is that .

1:10:22

can you hear people laughing or talking ? That

1:10:25

was me . I hit that

1:10:27

by mistake , I was like , okay

1:10:29

, because I was like Chris , everyone's excited

1:10:32

for what you're saying .

1:10:33

Yeah , they're laughing at me , yeah

1:10:35

.

1:10:35

No , but there you go . But the , you brought

1:10:37

this back .

1:10:41

I think the thing is too , is that Hold on

1:10:43

. I love that .

1:10:45

Well , we have a soundboard and when we

1:10:47

first switched to using this

1:10:49

platform , I was using it all the time

1:10:51

. If you go back to some of the episodes I used

1:10:53

to do like the door knock and , like

1:10:55

I used to , this is what we used to do

1:10:57

before . We would let somebody in . I can't

1:10:59

even see . This is my eyes . I really need

1:11:02

to figure this out . Uh-oh

1:11:04

, but

1:11:08

we would do you . Don't remember that .

1:11:12

You should do that when you have a special guest coming through . We have done

1:11:14

that too .

1:11:15

No , we have done that . So you have the door knocking Surprise guest

1:11:17

. So we do this . I

1:11:21

like it .

1:11:22

Chris , who's at the door ? Yeah , I don't know . Who did we invite

1:11:25

this time ?

1:11:27

Let me see . I'm going to walk over and see .

1:11:34

Oh .

1:11:34

Guys , this is a lot . Hold on , hold on .

1:11:37

Yeah .

1:11:39

Oh , look who it is . It's jen , all

1:11:41

the way from the north .

1:11:43

Welcome hi , hello

1:11:45

.

1:11:45

Thanks for having me take

1:11:52

a bow and it didn't play out really

1:11:54

well , because we start doing videos , it's like oh

1:11:57

, they're not really walking .

1:11:58

Yeah , then people are

1:12:00

like trying to compete what they're seeing and hearing

1:12:02

yeah do you have a joke for

1:12:05

us ? Oh

1:12:08

gosh , I like do love jokes , but

1:12:10

I a they're dirty and b

1:12:12

on the spot , like , like

1:12:15

, what are you ? Because , you well , you , um , you love , like the

1:12:17

canada us thing . So if you Well , you love

1:12:19

the Canada-US thing . So if you're

1:12:21

Canadian when you go into the washroom and

1:12:23

you're Canadian when you come out of the washroom , what

1:12:25

are you while you're in the washroom ?

1:12:28

What .

1:12:29

European . See

1:12:31

, it's a little dirty . See

1:12:34

, that's what I wanted to do .

1:12:35

That was good , that was

1:12:37

really good that I wouldn't classify

1:12:40

that as a dirty joke , just to

1:12:42

let understand .

1:12:43

Let you know a little dirty , it's

1:12:45

potty joke , that's .

1:12:46

That's the definition joke and it's dirty

1:12:48

because it's potty , but it's not

1:12:50

what I , what americans

1:12:53

call dirty and maybe what you canadians

1:12:55

that's what I'm saying it's a canadian

1:12:57

, I forget . The canadians are

1:12:59

a little more sensitive , so right

1:13:01

, yeah , sure sometimes well

1:13:04

, I hope I never go to canada .

1:13:06

I probably will never get out like

1:13:09

I'm steering you off , wanting to come to canada

1:13:11

.

1:13:11

It's horrible no , no

1:13:13

, they'll stop you at the border unless you become

1:13:16

the 51st , I will say

1:13:18

no .

1:13:18

No , I say all this in jest , and I think

1:13:20

anybody who knows me knows that I

1:13:22

like to have a lot of fun and sensei

1:13:25

yes , I appreciate that and

1:13:27

that's what I say , for

1:13:29

I have no distaste for

1:13:31

canada at all . I

1:13:33

have gone to canada before , by the way where'd

1:13:36

you go , montreal ?

1:13:37

oh ?

1:13:37

I love montreal .

1:13:37

That's a great place to go , but I had only gone to Canada before , by the way , where'd you

1:13:39

go ? Montreal , oh , I love Montreal . That's a great place to go .

1:13:41

But I had only gone to Montreal when

1:13:44

I first started consulting , because

1:13:46

we had an implementation in Montreal

1:13:48

. So

1:13:52

that was when did I start doing this ?

1:13:55

Back before , I think both you and Chris were

1:13:58

born . Oh , come on , look that means it's working , we were probably

1:14:00

in high school .

1:14:02

I've been doing this since 1998

1:14:04

.

1:14:04

Yeah , okay , so I don't know . So I was born

1:14:07

, yes .

1:14:08

You just weren't implementing Business Central

1:14:10

.

1:14:11

I wasn't yet Not thinking about it . So

1:14:14

where did you get time to actually tour around

1:14:16

and see it ? Because I know sometimes we don't spend

1:14:18

a lot of time actually touring the place

1:14:20

that we got . Is that the point where , with video , conferencing

1:14:23

screen sharing and .

1:14:24

Internet connectivity you

1:14:41

can get a lot of things done remotely

1:14:43

. Sometimes you may need to go on site . It is also

1:14:46

beneficial to go on site , sometimes even at least

1:14:48

once , through an implementation , because the individual

1:14:50

is doing the consultation at least can visualize

1:14:53

properly the layout

1:14:55

of an implement . You know the layout of what

1:14:57

they're talking about . So if I , you know we're talking

1:14:59

about manufacturing or producing

1:15:01

product , if I can visualize what somebody's

1:15:04

doing , then when we're having conversations , one

1:15:06

it helps me understand what

1:15:08

they're talking about because I can

1:15:10

physically see what they're doing . And

1:15:13

the big thing that I've learned going

1:15:16

through , because I've started off conversations , then I've gone

1:15:18

site after we started I understood

1:15:20

more what they were talking about , with

1:15:23

some challenges based upon what

1:15:25

they had in their environment , whereas

1:15:27

when you're just talking to somebody you may say

1:15:30

it's not that difficult , you

1:15:32

know , but then you actually look and you physically see

1:15:34

exactly and then you realize now

1:15:37

I remember distinctly saying to someone I

1:15:39

completely understand what you were saying

1:15:41

, why that was impossible .

1:15:43

Right .

1:15:44

It was impossible physically , it wasn't

1:15:46

impossible systemically , and

1:15:48

that's some of the challenges . Being a consultant

1:15:50

, if you get to physically see , is beneficial

1:15:53

, but you don't necessarily need to sit there and say , okay , well

1:15:55

, now I'm going to train you and show you how to do a production order

1:15:57

.

1:15:57

You can do some of that stuff Well that's such an interesting like

1:16:00

thing too is the like what do you need

1:16:02

in your ERP versus what's physically

1:16:04

happening on the shop floor ? Like , and

1:16:06

then too , like , depending on what your shop

1:16:09

floor looks like or how things are structured or

1:16:11

laid out , like sometimes it's like you could

1:16:13

put that into your ERP but really , based

1:16:15

on the proximity or based on like other

1:16:17

factors , you just don't really need it . I

1:16:20

find the other thing too is that when you

1:16:22

go on site now we do a lot remotely but

1:16:24

we have kind of debated , like are there key

1:16:26

times where we really should go and do

1:16:28

, like during kickoff or during

1:16:30

the pilot , just to , like you said , collect

1:16:32

what I will call like the oxygen stuff

1:16:35

? Right , so when you are talking and

1:16:37

you're like , hey , what do you do

1:16:39

? What's your process ? They explain it and they

1:16:41

try their best to think of everything . But let's say you go

1:16:43

on site and you're like I always say

1:16:45

to people pretend like you won the lottery . You're moving

1:16:47

to Fiji and I'm your replacement . I'm

1:16:49

just going to sit here and watch what you do and I'm just

1:16:51

going to ask questions as I go . Well

1:16:54

, they'll do things and they'll be explaining

1:16:56

as they go . Well , I enter this and I do that

1:16:58

, well then they'll do a series of stuff that they don't talk

1:17:00

about and because to them it's like well

1:17:03

obviously I do that right , Like that's

1:17:05

so obvious . But it's like for

1:17:07

me , I've been doing consulting for , like you

1:17:10

, like a long time over 16 years , so it's like

1:17:12

that's not super obvious . That's

1:17:14

actually kind of different what you're doing

1:17:16

there , like I need you to explain a little

1:17:18

bit better . Are you doing that because a customer

1:17:20

asked you is that a business rule

1:17:23

? Is it just because that's what somebody showed you

1:17:25

and that's how you've always done it like ? So

1:17:27

when you see it , it just asks

1:17:29

like different questions in your mind

1:17:31

. You hit .

1:17:32

You hit that perfectly . I will go back to why we

1:17:34

got that . But it even goes back with even acronyms

1:17:36

because we we were doing that ourselves

1:17:38

with some of the conversation , making the assumption

1:17:41

everybody can fill in the blanks

1:17:43

and know what a BOM is , instead of it being

1:17:45

B-O-M Bill of Material , or like we talked

1:17:47

about the ISV . So that

1:17:49

on-site sometimes can be helpful

1:17:52

with technology , with the video

1:17:55

conferencing and I promote video

1:17:57

with everybody because

1:18:06

if I'm talking with you I can take a look at your reaction right the first part is to

1:18:08

see if one of you paying attention right , or do you have the look on your face

1:18:10

of I really don't understand

1:18:12

what this person is saying

1:18:14

or doing and , as you had said , it goes back with

1:18:16

the being able to physically see what someone's doing

1:18:19

, you can pick up a lot more detail . So

1:18:21

there is value to it . Is there value to be there all the time

1:18:23

? It's debatable . But

1:18:25

to go back to what you're saying , that's what I had said

1:18:27

earlier on Cause I started working with this before the

1:18:29

internet . As I say , right , we used to have to

1:18:31

use dial up with a remote control

1:18:34

Like the internet , wasn't ? You

1:18:36

know , the internet's been around obviously longer , but it wasn't

1:18:38

mainstream for businesses and for remote

1:18:40

connectivity and teleconferencing it

1:18:43

was . You know , if you had . It was quite costly . But

1:18:45

I just tell everybody I've been everywhere , but I've been nowhere

1:18:47

Right , because when I first started I

1:18:50

would go to New York almost weekly on

1:18:52

the . And here

1:18:54

we are all these years later and I can tell you I've never been to

1:18:56

the Empire State Building . I've walked by it 3,000

1:18:59

times but

1:19:02

you never take the moment . You never take the moment because

1:19:04

, as a consultant , you get

1:19:07

on the train , you go to a place , you go to the office

1:19:09

. You eat lunch , you get

1:19:11

out of the office . Usually you work late to

1:19:13

maximize how much you can get out of your trip . You

1:19:16

go to dinner . You go back to the

1:19:18

room . You have to catch up on the stuff that

1:19:20

you may have missed while you were

1:19:22

gone emails

1:19:28

and stuff like that . Then you go to bed . You wake up . You're tired because you had a long day . You may

1:19:30

have to do a few emails or something before you go into the office . You

1:19:32

eat breakfast . You go into the office , you

1:19:34

have lunch , go back

1:19:37

. Repeat again Next

1:19:39

day . Repeat get back . Get

1:19:41

on a plane , train , automobile , go

1:19:43

home . You know , so you don't

1:19:45

you know , a lot of times individuals don't take

1:19:47

the opportunity to see anything

1:19:49

other than a method of transportation , a

1:19:52

hotel and an office .

1:19:54

Well , you take advantage of that in conferences .

1:19:55

Now , right , like

1:19:58

to me , I do that now with conferences , yep

1:20:01

, I try to get out as much

1:20:03

as I can . Again , it depends

1:20:05

on where the conference is how

1:20:07

easy it is to get out and you know

1:20:09

what the schedule is like . We just went to san

1:20:11

antonio and you know , jen avoided

1:20:13

us , but um no

1:20:16

, I did not I went to take to

1:20:18

go the river walk and all that other . You know

1:20:20

the other the other type things that

1:20:22

were close by . So I was able to at least say

1:20:24

I walked the river walk . I was able to see it

1:20:26

. I did the little boat tours to see the

1:20:28

history I love that , that stuff right there is great

1:20:30

for me the history that I

1:20:32

love that too anywhere you

1:20:34

go , like I was up in boston and I

1:20:36

had someone come visit and I had

1:20:39

never done it . You know this was many years

1:20:41

ago but they had like the duck tours and

1:20:43

I did it in cape cod in massachusetts

1:20:45

and I also did it in boston and I

1:20:47

knew a lot of history about boston and I even

1:20:49

learned a lot of history while I was on the

1:20:51

you always do , yeah they

1:20:53

driving around , because you talk about some of the , just the

1:20:55

uniqueness of the buildings and stuff . So anywhere

1:20:58

I go now I want to try to do one

1:21:00

of those what I call chris , and I talked about this too

1:21:02

the historical type events

1:21:06

, the best you know yeah , anyone

1:21:08

who's doing conferences include

1:21:10

those . I mean they did with san antonio but

1:21:12

include those historical type

1:21:14

things . I mean , it was even great going to the alamo , just

1:21:17

as you know . It's

1:21:19

just Same .

1:21:20

I totally agree , like . So back

1:21:22

, like you said , like we used to always go

1:21:24

, and to your point you're tired , trying to maximize

1:21:27

the visit . But I recently it's funny you

1:21:29

guys say that because I did the same thing where

1:21:31

I started to say I'm going to tack on an extra

1:21:33

day , come in a day earlier , stay

1:21:35

a day or two extra to see

1:21:37

the city that I'm in . And it was the same thing

1:21:39

. And with San Antonio , it was amazing because , like , I

1:21:41

had a morning , I did the river walk , I read

1:21:44

a book , I had a coffee and

1:21:46

I'm like this is amazing , like saw the Alamo , was able

1:21:48

to see it , and making it part

1:21:50

of the like , making it part of the trips

1:21:53

that you actually see it , because you don't know necessarily if you're

1:21:55

ever going to be back there , right , and

1:21:57

one of the things I'm a big fan of , that I love

1:21:59

, and I've loved it forever , is the hop on , hop off

1:22:01

bus tour . So I love those

1:22:03

for your purpose , brad where you have

1:22:05

the history . So basically

1:22:08

it'll be like a double decker bus and you pay

1:22:10

and they'll take you all around the city

1:22:12

and usually there's different routes , but throughout

1:22:14

the bus tour you've got headphones

1:22:17

in nowadays , before it used to be somebody on

1:22:19

a microphone and they're like you

1:22:21

know , here you are in Manhattan , where

1:22:23

the average rent is blah , blah , blah , blah , blah

1:22:25

, and here you are and you can , if there's somewhere you want to see

1:22:27

, like the empire state building or the statue

1:22:30

of Liberty or whatever , you can get off

1:22:32

, walk around , explore

1:22:34

it , and then there's little pickup points where it'll

1:22:36

pick you back up and you just keep going around . But

1:22:38

what I have found is that , like

1:22:40

you can do the same route like three times

1:22:43

and you can learn something new every single time

1:22:45

, because maybe you have a different instructor

1:22:47

or they just can't tell you everything about

1:22:49

every building in like three

1:22:51

minutes that you're driving by . So you always

1:22:54

learn so much and that's why I love those walking

1:22:56

tours or bus tours for

1:22:58

that purpose I agree with you

1:23:00

and I learned the uh go

1:23:03

, go ahead , I like chris , it's hard

1:23:05

for him to get a word in with me , and brad

1:23:07

isn't it ? he's like I'm used to it

1:23:09

you saying I talk too much I'm

1:23:12

bad . I'm bad too .

1:23:14

I love chris , we'll give you the moment continue

1:23:16

, you speak .

1:23:21

You guys are having a very Canadian moment

1:23:23

no , you go , it's just a repeat it's

1:23:28

all good continue with the technology today

1:23:30

, I also appreciate the

1:23:32

self guided as well like

1:23:34

you're

1:23:34

talking about with the buses , because I have done some self guided

1:23:37

tours here and they

1:23:39

have the points where you go through and you play and you have a narrator

1:23:42

so you can go at your own pace . But

1:23:44

there's some attractions I spend more

1:23:46

time at because I like to see

1:23:48

. I did like I did the

1:23:50

edison and ford estates

1:23:52

tour , which was self-guided and that's what

1:23:54

it was is . You went to certain points and they said , okay

1:23:56

, now play point number one . But some

1:23:58

of it had so much for you to take in , visibly

1:24:01

right , that if

1:24:03

you were to hear the , the , what the

1:24:05

narrator was saying about the history of

1:24:07

the location or or the

1:24:09

point of the tour where you were on , you

1:24:12

would have missed a lot of the intricate details , like

1:24:14

when you're looking in the house and you're seeing

1:24:16

just the old beds and

1:24:18

stuff like that . It was just I

1:24:21

don't know .

1:24:21

We're just digressing and I

1:24:24

know , I feel like I shouldn't talk anymore

1:24:26

no , no

1:24:29

, I'm just kidding , it's just we're having a moment .

1:24:31

Well , miss jen , mrs

1:24:33

jen yes , thanks for yes thank

1:24:35

you for taking the time to speak with us . We

1:24:38

do appreciate your time . We do appreciate your support

1:24:40

. We do appreciate you also sharing

1:24:43

the information about production orders versus

1:24:45

assembly orders with us . Hopefully

1:24:54

I cleared some questions for any that may have had questions , or even taught everybody something

1:24:56

new about it as well . I know I have a better understanding of production orders and assembly

1:24:58

orders and have a good idea of which questions to ask

1:25:01

when trying to determine which to use

1:25:03

and the

1:25:05

benefits of each of them . If

1:25:08

anyone has any additional questions or

1:25:10

needs additional assistance with the business , central

1:25:12

implementation or manufacturing portion of

1:25:14

the implementation , what is the best way to

1:25:16

get a hold of you ?

1:25:19

So they can go to

1:25:21

saberlimitedcom . All my contact

1:25:23

information's on there . I'm on LinkedIn

1:25:25

, just Jen Claridge , so I

1:25:27

think you guys have a bio now of the speakers

1:25:29

, which is great . So my LinkedIn connection

1:25:32

is up there . Those would probably

1:25:34

be the two best ways . And

1:25:37

then my email is just jennc

1:25:40

at saverlimitedcom and I love sharing

1:25:42

my knowledge . Like

1:25:46

I said , I've done this presentation at a few of the different conferences because

1:25:48

people really did seem interested in the topic and I think it

1:25:50

was helpful to kind of see . So if anybody even

1:25:52

wants like a PowerPoint sort

1:25:55

of this , where I actually do like

1:25:57

a walk through of creating the exact

1:25:59

same order through as an assembly

1:26:01

and through as a production order , I

1:26:03

love to just kind of like help people

1:26:06

and just share my knowledge . So if you wanted to reach out

1:26:08

and just get more information , like

1:26:10

I said , people have been very generous to help me

1:26:13

understand concepts better and I'm happy to

1:26:15

do that for others as well .

1:26:17

I appreciate that and I think I do think

1:26:19

that sounds interesting to have

1:26:21

a comparison of setting up an item in assembly

1:26:23

order and setting up an item in a

1:26:25

bill of material and processing . That is a

1:26:27

great way to see it and , like

1:26:29

you , chris and I feel the same way . We share a

1:26:32

lot of information because of that . I mean

1:26:34

some people have always shared for me and it's

1:26:36

almost at the point where it's time to give back

1:26:38

. Speaking of presentations , will you be going

1:26:41

anywhere soon for presenting any conferences

1:26:43

, user groups or anything ?

1:26:45

So there's a yeah user group in February

1:26:47

for the Dynamic Communities user group

1:26:50

. I know we've put in the call for speakers

1:26:52

. I usually speak at DynamicsCon

1:26:55

summit directions

1:26:57

I have the last couple years anyway so I've submitted

1:26:59

. I haven't yet heard back . I

1:27:02

don't think that they've selected the speakers , but I'll be

1:27:04

at most of the same conferences

1:27:06

that you guys probably will be , In

1:27:08

February .

1:27:09

Which user group are you going ?

1:27:11

to . I think it's just a virtual . You

1:27:13

know how they have the Dynamics Community monthly

1:27:15

virtual user

1:27:18

groups that everyone can connect to , so I

1:27:20

offered to do one on data decisions

1:27:22

. So I'm going to talk about just like different ways

1:27:25

to be able to use the data

1:27:27

in your system to analyze , like errors

1:27:29

and troubleshoot and fix data . There's a lot of

1:27:31

different , like configuration worksheets

1:27:33

and edit in Excel and packages , and what

1:27:35

are the differences ?

1:27:37

Very cool .

1:27:38

Yeah , I think that's great wherever I can .

1:27:40

So if you guys have ideas too on things

1:27:42

, I was thinking about starting up a little like

1:27:45

blog or youtube channel of just things , because

1:27:47

I find there's like these quick little hitter things where

1:27:49

people are like , yeah , I don't know , I'm I'm

1:27:51

thinking about it . So if you guys , you

1:27:54

know , have any ideas , but just the idea

1:27:56

of like quick little hitter things

1:27:58

on things , where it's like I just want to see it

1:28:00

. You know , I love to share my knowledge

1:28:02

in any way that I can .

1:28:04

So you can probably do in smaller pieces

1:28:06

and smaller pieces .

1:28:08

We'll talk with you after , not

1:28:10

today , but I will follow up with a conversation on

1:28:12

that .

1:28:14

I have over dinner in Vegas .

1:28:15

Well , no before that , because I've

1:28:19

been working on putting something together for that portion

1:28:21

of it and that user group meeting that you're talking about , the virtual

1:28:23

user group meeting , is February 20th at

1:28:25

I think it's 1300 Eastern

1:28:28

time .

1:28:29

I believe so , yeah , usually two

1:28:31

hours .

1:28:32

I know I shared it the other day and you had it as well , and if

1:28:34

you're presenting there , I

1:28:38

know I already uh uh elected to attend that . So I have that on my calendar

1:28:40

as well . So I'm looking forward to seeing your presentation and

1:28:43

other than that , I think I'll see you in

1:28:45

Vegas , hopefully , hopefully

1:28:48

, we all can make it there , uh yeah

1:28:50

it'd be great , and we can uh get

1:28:53

you the um food

1:28:55

truck meal , that uh meal

1:28:57

that we promised you .

1:28:59

That would be awesome .

1:29:00

Other than that , happy new year . Thank you

1:29:02

again for your time . We look forward to talking with you again soon

1:29:04

, Ciao ciao , yes you too

1:29:06

. Take care , bye , bye . Thank

1:29:09

you , chris , for your time for another

1:29:12

episode of In the Dynamics Corner

1:29:14

Chair , and thank you to our guests for participating

1:29:16

.

1:29:17

Thank you , brad , for your time . It is

1:29:19

a wonderful episode of Dynamics Corner

1:29:21

chair . I would also like to thank

1:29:23

our guests for joining us . Thank

1:29:26

you for all of our listeners tuning in as well

1:29:28

. You can find Brad at

1:29:30

developerlifecom that

1:29:33

is D-V-L-P-R-L-I-F-E

1:29:36

dot com , that is D-V-L-P-R-L-I-F-E

1:29:38

dot com , and

1:29:43

you can interact with them

1:29:45

via Twitter D-V-L-P-R-L-I-F-E . You can also

1:29:47

find me at Mattalinoio

1:29:50

, m-a-t-a-l-i-n-o dot I-O , and

1:29:53

my Twitter handle is Mattalino16

1:29:56

. And you can see

1:29:58

those links down below in the show notes . Again

1:30:00

, thank you everyone . Thank you and take

1:30:02

care .