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1:02

How are you? What's your

1:04

dog's name? The other day,

1:06

Ben How are you? a What's

1:08

your dog's name? Park

1:11

The other day, Ben and I took a trip

1:13

to Franklin Park in Boston. We

1:15

were there so that a human

1:17

golden retriever. Ben could connect

1:19

connect with other dogs. We're We're

1:22

from in Boston. Oh

1:24

wow, this is Marty. Marty, we're doing doing

1:26

a segment about stick nation. Do

1:28

you know what that is? know what

1:30

that is? I'm not not sure, is

1:32

that to have to do with dogs? do with dogs?

1:35

reviewing sticks. Oh. sticks. Oh. Marty,

1:37

are you are you part

1:39

of Stick nation? He's an elderly

1:41

an elderly gentleman. Does Marty

1:43

like a stick? That

1:46

is producer Franny She is

1:48

the reason we are we are

1:50

today a costing dog dog named named

1:52

asking them how much

1:54

they like sticks. sticks. not so

1:56

into sticks. No, he likes to

1:58

sniff. He's really into just like... part

2:00

of Sniff Nation. Sniff Nation,

2:03

absolutely. Yeah. But it's always

2:05

adorable when you see a

2:08

dog with a giant stick

2:10

like that in their mouth.

2:12

It's true. It's true. Trying

2:15

to fit through doorways. Well,

2:17

thank you for letting us

2:20

interrupt your walk. Yeah, no

2:22

worries. It's a lovely day.

2:24

It is. Bye, Marty. Nice

2:27

to meet you. Yeah. I'm

2:31

Bembrock Johnson. I'm Amory

2:33

Siebertson. And I'm Franny

2:36

Monaghan. And you're listening

2:38

to Endless Thread from

2:41

W-B-U-R in Boston. Today's

2:43

episode. Stick Nation. Do

2:46

you guys understand the

2:48

assignment for today? What

2:51

we're doing? I

2:54

believe it to be we are

2:56

traversing into the woods to find

2:59

sticks that catch our eye and

3:01

make us excited to be alive.

3:03

Can I look over your shoulder?

3:06

Will you doing the assignment? Because

3:08

I didn't. I didn't. I didn't

3:10

read the assignment. Classic. Classic. You've

3:14

got most of the assignment down.

3:16

We're going into the woods and

3:18

we're looking for sticks and we

3:20

are going to review these sticks.

3:22

We are doing this because there

3:24

has been a movement on the

3:26

internet recently, a community on Instagram

3:28

called official stick reviews. They refer

3:30

to themselves as stick nation and...

3:32

Substick nation? Yes, Ben's got that

3:34

part down. Hello

3:39

Stick Nation, I'm

3:41

from Indonesia. look

3:43

here what I

3:45

found. A wonderful

3:47

stick looks like

3:49

a witch stock.

3:51

I'm Gee from

3:53

Kenya and I

3:55

want to show

3:57

you my stick

3:59

that I found

4:01

at the beach.

4:03

Hi guys, hello

4:05

from Greece, look

4:07

at my magic

4:09

stuff. Hello, stick

4:11

nation. I found

4:13

this really cool

4:16

stick at my

4:18

granddad's house. Over

4:24

the last year and a half,

4:26

there's just been this explosion of

4:28

folks online going out into the

4:31

woods finding sticks and sharing their

4:33

sticks that they found on the

4:35

internet for people to kind of

4:37

like give their own assessment. Is

4:40

it always a five-star system? No,

4:42

not necessarily. Are we following anyone

4:44

else's criteria other than our own

4:47

or it's just it's five stars

4:49

if we say it's five stars

4:51

as long as we explain thoroughly

4:53

why? The metrics by which to

4:56

judge a stick are purely in

4:58

your heart and in your imagination.

5:00

Carryability, pointability, nubiness, wizard, wizzardness, what

5:03

else? I'm usually looking at how

5:05

well it will burn in a

5:07

fire pit. That's my... Burnability. Burnability.

5:09

Yep, that's what I want. Or

5:12

a good, a fun shape. Shapeliness?

5:14

Shape. Yep. Shapeliness. On Instagram there's

5:16

about 2.4 million people who are

5:18

part of Stick Nation officially followers

5:21

of this account. 2.4 plus three.

5:23

Plus the three of us. So,

5:25

and they also have a TikTok

5:28

account, which is where I come

5:30

in most contact with their content,

5:32

but if you guys just look

5:34

at the feed, can you just

5:37

like describe what you see? There's

5:39

a lot of different people in

5:41

very different locations holding very different

5:44

sticks of all types, and it's

5:46

cool because I was watching some

5:48

of these earlier today. It feels

5:50

like it knows no age, no

5:53

gender, no nation actually, even though

5:55

called called Stick it

5:57

seems to be

6:00

a global movement

6:02

for sure. How

6:04

did this start, did this start, Franny?

6:07

Yeah, so Stick Nation really just just

6:09

started as a bit as

6:11

a lot of viral things

6:13

on the internet do. do. Its

6:15

creators are a couple of

6:17

dudes called Boone Hog and Logan So

6:20

That was extremely surprising,

6:22

psych. A

6:24

couple of dudes with silly names. These

6:26

names or these are real names. are real

6:28

are their names as listed in the

6:30

New York Times. in the New York Times.

6:32

Yeah. Okay. so this basically started as

6:34

a bit. The guys were taking a

6:36

hike, found a stick, a thought it'd

6:38

be funny to talk about a

6:41

stick as if you would a an

6:43

antique at an antique show at dog

6:45

at a dog show. at a dog show, then

6:47

it grew from there and the

6:49

internet just the it and ran with

6:51

it it basically. Obviously, it's a

6:53

scythe model. The The only

6:55

thing that's missing for me for this curve

6:57

I wish had a little bit. to

6:59

to it. to go to go ahead and rate

7:01

it about a six out of ten on

7:03

the of ten on the I just really like the

7:06

shape of it really like the shape of a multi -purpose

7:08

stick stick. got a got

7:10

a bit of bit of this grip in

7:12

end we can use for lifting

7:14

a pot off of the fire. the

7:16

for poking at

7:18

mushrooms and digging

7:20

in the dirt in

7:22

the dirt plants aside,

7:24

aside, a really

7:27

good good stick. There's

7:33

a few different ways that people

7:35

engage. people make their own videos posted

7:37

online, posted online, tag, stick nation, official stick reviews, the the

7:39

actual and they And they you can like or

7:41

you can it it on a Google

7:43

Form. There's a lot of kids who

7:45

submit. videos I know, so know

7:47

so there's a parental permission aspect

7:49

of it people people in the

7:52

comments. for their own, and assess the stick for

7:54

their own and everybody kind of has their own

7:56

metrics but I want you guys to look at

7:58

some of the comments and just sort of the imaginative. them,

8:00

but here is a stick

8:03

review. Hello, stick nation. This

8:05

is my coffee stirring stick.

8:07

Oh, she's stirring coffee with

8:10

this stick. Just stirred a

8:12

coffee. Short and thin and

8:14

beautiful. Here are some, some

8:17

of me. This is cool.

8:19

So this, this commenter, Fazan

8:21

cadre, says the name of

8:24

the stick is the brew

8:26

whisperer. Rarely common, but irreplaceable.

8:28

type coffee stirring wand. Material,

8:31

weathered birch. Origin, Nordic forest.

8:33

This is a very D&D

8:36

description, I would say, Dungeons

8:38

and Dragons description. It also

8:40

has an aura. The

8:43

brew whisperer carries a unique aura

8:45

of calm mornings and crisp forest

8:48

air. The faint, earthy scent embedded

8:50

in its fibers adds an unspoken

8:53

depth to every coffee it stirs.

8:55

Wow. And stats, wow, it's got

8:57

stats. Balance, five stars. Durability, three

9:00

stars. Cozy factor, five stars. skill

9:02

and fusion of serenity. There's a

9:04

lore written up around the stick.

9:07

This is a very detailed comment.

9:09

Someone spent three times as long

9:12

writing this comment as that woman

9:14

did finding that stick. Yeah. But

9:21

for the most part, most comments

9:23

do just look like, hey, nice

9:25

stick. And like there are some

9:27

people who are bound to chime

9:29

in and be like, I don't

9:31

know if that counts as a

9:33

stick. I think it may be

9:35

more of a log. Oh, stick

9:37

versus log versus still a live

9:39

tree that you're chopping down right

9:41

now versus twig. And some

9:44

materials out there, you know, I've

9:46

seen people use a palm front

9:48

that's like all the way rolled

9:50

up into a stick-like way, or this

9:52

guy in Antarctica who doesn't have

9:54

access to any sticks, but has

9:56

a huge icicle and people are like,

9:58

hey, that counts as a stick,

10:00

I guess. If it's a stick

10:02

to you, it really... Good to support

10:05

the guy in Antarctica who's stuck

10:07

in Antarctica. Don't tell that guy

10:09

his icicle is not a stick. He's

10:11

on thin ice, so to speak.

10:13

It's funny that you say that

10:15

because I was thinking about, you know,

10:17

if the question is why sticks,

10:19

of all things, sticks, unless you're

10:21

in Antarctica, are everywhere. It's like

10:24

an equal opportunity. thing to review because

10:26

no matter what your socioeconomic status

10:28

or background is, you can find

10:30

a stick usually. But not everyone has

10:32

to be a part of Stick

10:34

Nation. They could start rock or

10:36

cloud or whatever nation. I did look

10:39

at those Instagram accounts and they

10:41

don't typically have more than like

10:43

10 or 12 followers. But those efforts

10:45

are there and I think that

10:47

people should go out and support

10:49

them. But to this question, why

10:51

sticks? I was thinking about this a

10:53

lot. I feel like a universal

10:55

experience is like playing with a

10:57

good stick as a kid. Like people

11:00

have to be appreciating sticks elsewhere

11:02

on the internet through time. I

11:04

did also find the R-stick subreddit from

11:06

2011, which is still active, posts

11:08

most days, people sharing sticks pretty

11:10

much the same stuff and has about

11:12

49 thousand members. I was thinking

11:14

about this too coming to this

11:16

excursion. Like what, why sticks? To

11:18

me it feels very primordial where it's

11:21

sort of like, I wonder if

11:23

you went all the way back,

11:25

I think about this kind of thing

11:27

all the time, if you went

11:29

all the way back, are sticks

11:31

the first tool? Like

11:34

is that the first thing that

11:36

like a monkey picked up and

11:38

was like I'm gonna do something

11:40

with this stick? Yeah. Or was

11:42

it more rocks? I don't know.

11:45

I was I was looking into

11:47

this a little bit because dogs

11:49

are not the only animal that

11:51

love sticks. Monkeys also use sticks.

11:54

Crows use sticks. Anteaters use sticks.

11:56

They do? I think so. Okay,

11:58

back check that one. do

12:01

not use sticks. But

12:04

anyway, if so many creatures of

12:06

this earth can look at a

12:08

stick and see a tool, right?

12:10

We know that early humans were

12:12

using stone tools, but wood would

12:14

not last in the same way.

12:16

And there's some evidence that I

12:18

did find in a report from

12:21

the Scientific American that says there

12:23

is evidence of wood structures that

12:25

hominids made predating Homo sapiens. So

12:27

like, that's us. more ancient ancestors

12:29

were potentially using wood and that

12:31

makes a lot of sense. Yeah,

12:33

it does make a lot of

12:35

sense. And so I just want

12:37

to connect like this idea of

12:40

the primordial love of sticks with

12:42

stick nation and something that I

12:44

think is really evident of that

12:46

is just how creative people get.

12:48

with the descriptions of their stick.

12:50

People find sticks that look like

12:52

animals. They find sticks that look

12:54

like weapons. They find sticks that

12:56

look like regular tools, a little

12:59

ladder. I am partial to magical

13:01

item sticks. I love it when

13:03

people find a stick that is

13:05

not shaped like a weapon or

13:07

associated with a weapon immediately. But

13:09

that said, the ability to look

13:11

at a stick and see anything,

13:13

I think, is just this return

13:15

to our roots. I don't know,

13:18

this is not what I wrote.

13:20

Oh, return to our roots. Not

13:22

a, that was not scripted, you

13:24

know? Cook, keep cooking, Franny. You're

13:26

barking up the right tree, if

13:28

you know what I'm saying? Yeah,

13:30

yeah, yeah, yeah. I

13:35

feel like you've set up a scavenger hunt

13:38

for us. Yes, we should go look for

13:40

some sticks. We need to find a stick

13:42

that looks like a weapon. I mean, this

13:44

is a shiv right here. That's very cheap.

13:47

I could mess someone up with this. Yeah.

13:49

We need to find one that looks like

13:51

an animal. One that looks like a magical

13:53

item. I don't really know what that means,

13:56

but sure. The The leaves

13:58

are gonna make us

14:00

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14:02

it in finding stick content.

14:04

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14:07

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14:09

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16:16

I don't feel like I found

16:18

my stick yet. Have you guys?

16:20

Yeah, just looking. Just looking, any,

16:22

any ruffing, any pirates try to

16:24

steal our stick. Ruffing, that's such

16:27

a good word. Yeah. So did

16:29

I tell you guys, my dad

16:31

is very partial to a stick.

16:33

And. He and my mom, if

16:35

they go on walks, even just

16:37

around the neighborhood, he will pick

16:39

up sticks as they walk. And

16:41

he just likes to kind of

16:43

fiddle with them or break them

16:45

or... Yeah, usually he's breaking them

16:47

into smaller pieces, but my mom,

16:49

who is a crafty lady, she

16:51

sewed a little... a stick quiver

16:53

for him. Whoa! I don't think

16:55

he actually uses, but it's adorable

16:57

because he can take this little

16:59

quiver to put his sticks in

17:01

while they walk. That's lovely. I

17:09

just had to stop because there's an interesting

17:11

site here where I was going to disturb

17:14

this not realizing that it was actually holding

17:16

up two other sticks. But one thing that

17:18

I was going to be looking for was

17:20

a good slingshot. Yeah, you should break

17:22

that off. Yeah, is that allowed in Stick

17:25

Nation to reshape a stick? No, probably not.

17:27

I mean, it depends on your school thought.

17:29

Yeah. Because some people, you know, will judge

17:32

a stick based on its naturiness and some

17:34

people will carve a little design into a

17:36

stick. It really, the modifications are. I could

17:38

break off this part and I would

17:40

have a pretty good makings for a slingshot.

17:43

But I'll leave it. Y-sticks are really good

17:45

for lots of different things. You could also

17:47

make a bed with Y-sticks. Because you use

17:50

those as the corners and then you put

17:52

sticks inside the Y-sticks and then you lay

17:54

sticks across. cross sticks. That

17:56

makes sense. Sounds

17:59

like you've done that

18:01

before. No, I've just

18:03

watched a lot of

18:05

naked and afraid. Okay,

18:11

onward. Okay, Franny's got a really

18:13

good specimen, I would say. Yeah, I

18:15

think I found my stick, I

18:18

gotta say. I am

18:20

trying to decide what it is

18:22

because I see in it at

18:24

once a thing that struck me

18:26

was like I feel like this

18:28

looks like some kind of weird

18:30

bird creature trying to escape. Oh

18:32

yeah. Yeah, is it a stick?

18:34

it's shaped, that's shaped kind of

18:36

like... This stick

18:38

in my heart, Emery. Oh, that's

18:40

right. In your heart. Okay. It's

18:42

shaped kind of like like Sicily

18:44

or Iceland. It's the meeting of

18:46

three sticks. Yeah. It is a

18:48

jointed, it is the joint of

18:51

a stick. Stick joint. It's very

18:53

good. It's very wise and has

18:55

some I am Groot vibes. I'm

18:57

glad you found your stick. I

18:59

don't think I've quite found mine.

19:01

Although this I will say it

19:03

is very strong. Yeah. It's very

19:05

pointy, but it's just a little

19:07

too straight. I mean it looks

19:09

like a perfect pencil. I don't

19:11

know I'm saying that but I'm

19:13

falling more and more for this

19:16

stick as I hold on to

19:18

it. It was the first stick

19:20

that caught your eye. Self -defense stick.

19:22

Yeah, because it's so sharp. Look

19:24

at that. And

19:26

it's really old. I can

19:29

tell. This has seen some things.

19:31

This has maybe killed some

19:33

things, you know. Well,

19:35

we lost Ben, which

19:37

is not surprising. That's

19:41

him? Yeah, nothing. He

19:44

has something in hand. I

19:47

did find this kind of

19:49

light, straight, pine branch. Like

19:52

you could do a martial

19:54

art with this. Yeah, the

19:56

balance is good. You could

19:58

twirl the over your head,

20:00

head, you know. and you could

20:02

throw it. throw it you

20:04

could whack a

20:06

fool Or ruffian. I'm really focused on

20:08

ruffians really focused on

20:11

just going to hold on to

20:13

this one. It's got a little

20:15

curve to it. In some ways,

20:17

it's a very It's a very

20:19

stick. a whippy a whippy stick. A what

20:21

I would do with that is

20:23

this, can I borrow it? I

20:25

would do with that is this. it

20:27

didn't work. it? too dead. I would do

20:30

that. Yes, okay to would do that.

20:32

whipping OK, to get a low -lipping

20:34

sound. right now on this little feeling really

20:36

good right now on this

20:38

little walk. And it's reminding me

20:40

that another part of stick

20:42

nation that I really love is

20:44

like, every time that time that one

20:47

of those videos comes across

20:49

my feed, I kind of feel

20:51

like it's a little break

20:53

from the rest of the world.

20:55

It's just like someone in

20:57

nature sharing sharing something ordinary, a stick

20:59

that they have decided it is

21:01

is extraordinary.

21:05

It feels like stick nation is like it's

21:08

got some, like, harmless, silly. going

21:10

on and I feel on? all need I feel like

21:12

we all need some we really now. We really

21:14

do. I think one think one thing

21:16

that I really like about it

21:18

feel feel like really overwhelmed a

21:20

lot of the time and everything

21:22

feels really complicated, but but sticks

21:24

complicated complicated no is not complicated. not I

21:27

feel like like comment though

21:29

though for how how rock

21:32

nation or these these other types

21:34

of natural things that

21:36

you might find and the

21:38

online and for those items

21:41

not being as strong not

21:43

of disproves sort of disproves an

21:45

that I had that I had

21:47

that maybe is not really

21:49

about not really about sticks per se as much

21:52

much as it is

21:54

about connecting around something that

21:57

is, in many ways, the

21:59

antithesis. to the internet and

22:01

all of the bells and

22:03

whistles and constant. Constant car

22:06

alarm speaking and like. Yeah,

22:08

right. It's, it's something so

22:10

simple and so accessible to

22:12

everyone that reminds us, just

22:15

go pick up a stick

22:17

and look at how amazing

22:19

it is. Look at how

22:22

old and pointy and oddly

22:24

shaped and sun kissed and

22:26

weathered and useful and simple

22:28

it is. No,

22:31

I think that's definitely what it

22:33

is. And I think like a

22:35

part of it that makes me

22:38

feel really good. Like what Ben

22:40

was saying earlier is like stick

22:42

nation is a country with no

22:44

borders, you know? And it's a

22:47

place where disagreements are silly and

22:49

low stakes and... Low sticks. Sorry.

22:51

Please go on. I

22:54

keep walking right into him.

22:56

As one would with a

22:59

stick potentially. Or a pole

23:01

or a branch. But yeah,

23:03

it's something low stakes in

23:06

a moment where everything is

23:08

the stakes have never felt

23:10

higher, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

23:14

You mentioned a wizard in

23:16

a tree, Franny, and I

23:18

feel like if we were

23:20

going to see a wizard

23:23

it would be inside of

23:25

this tree that is ahead.

23:27

So I just think we

23:29

should walk to that tree

23:31

and poke ground for any

23:33

other sticks. Did you say

23:36

the wizard tree? I see

23:38

the wizard! Whoa, the wizard

23:40

tree! Okay, we're walking

23:42

up to a tree. The base

23:44

of it is hollowed out. And...

23:46

And there's a stick in there

23:48

next to the wizard. Oh. And

23:50

someone had drawn a wizard painted?

23:52

It's hard to tell how they

23:55

did that. Has drawn or painted

23:57

a wizard's face inside of

23:59

this tree. And there

24:01

and there is a stick in there,

24:03

although I feel like, I feel

24:05

like if I if that stick, that's

24:07

like grabbing the the chalice or whatever it

24:09

is is in Temple of Doom and I'm gonna

24:12

set off a gauntlet of things. trying

24:14

to kill us, so I'm not gonna do

24:16

that. Narrator. It was was not

24:18

Indiana Jones the Temple of Doom. of

24:20

It was not a chalice. It It was

24:22

a golden idol at the beginning

24:24

of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

24:26

Ark. is very cool. cool. This

24:29

is the Wizard of Franklin of Franklin

24:31

Park. Gotta take a

24:34

picture. Producer for Annie

24:36

Monaghan, thank you thank you for

24:38

introducing us to the world

24:40

of world of you for

24:42

joining me for joining me

24:44

this beautiful, squeaky

24:46

forest. squeaky You

24:49

have a little concern that. Next to

24:51

a big squeaky tree. an end

24:53

that would be to our to our stick nation by

24:55

a stick by a by a a branch. The sticks The

24:57

sticks come for us. really Yeah, We've this was

24:59

really lovely. We got out of the office,

25:01

the we got into the sunshine, sticks. Now found

25:03

some sticks. the office, sit Now let's go back to

25:05

the office, sit in front of our computers

25:07

and not talk to each other for the

25:10

rest of the day. the day. Okay, sounds Sounds

25:12

good. gonna be hard for me, but I'll

25:14

but I'll try. This

25:27

episode was produced by by Franny

25:30

It was co -hosted by Franny

25:32

Monaghan, Amri Amore and and Ben Brock

25:34

Johnson. It It was sound

25:36

designed by our production manager,

25:38

Paul Paul Vikas. Our managing producer is

25:40

Summit Ajoshi. The rest of

25:42

our team is is Dean Grace

25:44

Tadder, and Emily Jankowski. Endless is

25:47

a show about the blurred

25:49

lines between the classification

25:51

of of logs logs and also fear

25:53

of ruffians. If you've got

25:55

an unsolved mystery, untold history,

25:57

or an otherwise wild story -

26:00

from the internet, email us at

26:02

endlessthread at WBUR .org. Also, if

26:04

you wanna send us your

26:06

weird or awesome stick, for

26:08

work, people, we also

26:10

accept stick pics. See

26:13

you next week.