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Empaths and welcome to our show. We

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are just going to pretend that we're

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all sitting around the table having a

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cup of coffee or tea together and

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chatting away because we haven't really touched

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in with each other or our audience

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like this in a while, right? We

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haven't and it's been busy and the

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energies have been funny and sometimes it's just

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nice to have a chat and a conversation

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and often when we do these shows we'll

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hear back from people oh my gosh that

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was just what's been going on in my

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life too or it's always so fun to

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just sit and and visit. Yeah yeah

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so we thought instead of having a

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guest or a topic we would just

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kind of catch up and talk about

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some changes and some fun interesting stories

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going on in our lives I think

1:02

for me personally the biggest

1:04

one is having sold my

1:07

house and moved into my

1:09

new house with my fiance

1:11

Michael huge huge huge lovely

1:13

happy change but big change

1:15

nonetheless and it reminded me

1:17

that no matter how happy

1:19

change it can be it's

1:21

always a little difficult and

1:23

you know honestly what an

1:25

interesting time Interesting is our

1:27

key word this year, I

1:30

think, but what an interesting

1:32

time when the world has

1:34

been so upside down and

1:36

this being a nine-year and

1:38

endings and completion and releasing

1:40

that this move happened during all

1:43

of that energy of letting go,

1:45

moving forward, what do I want

1:47

to bring new into my life? I

1:49

mean, he's a poster child for the

1:51

nine year with that move. Oh my

1:54

gosh, and it happened so fast. That

1:56

I think that's what was the

1:58

hardest was that you know in January, I

2:00

finally got it ready and had my

2:03

friend who's a realtor, she had the

2:05

photographer come over and take pictures and

2:07

she was like, okay, we're gonna list

2:10

this on, I can't remember what date

2:12

it was, but Michael and I were

2:14

scheduled to go on a cruise to

2:16

Mexico and I was like, all right,

2:19

well, can you list it when I

2:21

get back? Because I don't know how

2:23

to handle showings and my cat and

2:26

pet sitters there, you know, it was

2:28

just too much. And she said, yeah,

2:30

yeah, yeah, of course. And she texted

2:32

me and said, I have a couple

2:35

that is interested in your house. Can

2:37

I come by and show them the

2:39

home? And I was like, yeah, of

2:42

course. Bonabing, but a boo, yada, yada,

2:44

yada, whatever they say, that night I

2:46

had an offer on the home from

2:48

them. And I'm docu signing on the

2:51

cruise. Wow. But what a wonderful thing

2:53

that you didn't have to have months

2:55

of people parading through your home. Oh,

2:58

I know. I was

3:00

really dreading that. You know, I've

3:02

only been through that one time

3:04

when I got married the first

3:06

time. Oh God, that sounds awful.

3:08

No, it's my first marriage. I

3:10

was in our home for a

3:13

year when we sold it and

3:15

moved into the house that I

3:17

just sold. And I remember that

3:19

panicky feeling of the realtor calling

3:21

and saying, you know, someone's going

3:23

to be buying 10 minutes and

3:25

just having to keep your house

3:27

clean all the time in your

3:30

yard and all of that. So

3:32

I am really, really grateful that

3:34

I didn't have to go through

3:36

that. But at the same time,

3:38

it just propelled me like, oh

3:40

my gosh, I have to pack

3:42

up everything. And that was just

3:44

a lot. So January and February,

3:47

just every free minute I had,

3:49

was spent packing up. And the

3:51

packing up was easy. The hardest

3:53

part, Denise, was going through all

3:55

my kids' memorabilia. Yeah. And trying

3:57

to figure out what I wanted.

3:59

and what I didn't want, but

4:01

also just going through all those

4:04

memories. Yeah. You know, it was like, I

4:06

felt as though my house was almost

4:08

had little ghost of our past lives

4:10

in that home in it. You know,

4:12

like I'd read a Mother's Day card

4:14

or I'd see a beautiful picture they

4:16

brought home when they were in the

4:19

second grade sitting on my living room

4:21

carpet and I would look up and

4:23

I could almost see them coming through

4:25

that front door. Right, and there is

4:27

a little spark of them that will

4:29

always be in that house. Yeah. And

4:31

that's kind of, because that was a

4:34

new home when you moved into it,

4:36

right? So your energy was the only

4:38

people that ever lived in there?

4:40

Yes. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Brand new house.

4:43

We were so, so excited. And that

4:45

house was a gift and a blessing

4:47

many, many, many times over to our

4:50

family through the years. I never... once

4:52

said, I don't like my house, I hate

4:54

my, I always loved that home. That's huge.

4:56

I just wanted a, you know,

4:58

a fresh start with the new

5:00

marriage and blending families. I didn't,

5:02

I didn't want Michael or his

5:05

kids to feel like they were

5:07

coming into our home. You know

5:09

what I mean? And that's a

5:11

conversation we've had with so many

5:13

people over the years or friends

5:15

of ours or, you know, relations,

5:17

whatever that have... started a second

5:19

relationship that's serious to the point

5:21

of moving in together. That's a

5:23

really hard road to navigate. Yeah,

5:25

yeah, it definitely is, but it

5:28

can be navigated if it's done

5:30

with a lot of thought and kindness and

5:32

inclusion. And respect. And respect. Right. Yeah,

5:34

I think that is so, so important.

5:36

So all my, the last week we

5:38

were in the home, my girls came

5:41

home from school and from their job

5:43

and we were all there that weekend

5:45

and little Chloe was the first to

5:47

leave. So we hug her and she

5:49

was coming back in two weeks for

5:51

her spring break. So it wasn't like

5:53

a super tearful goodbye. It was just

5:55

like, thanks for coming and helping honey

5:57

and safe drive, text me when you.

6:00

get there. And she leaves, goes

6:02

out the front door, and she

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comes back in the door like

6:06

30 seconds later, boo-hooing. Oh, just

6:08

realize this is the last time

6:10

I'll ever walk out the door

6:12

of my childhood home. Oh. And

6:14

then we all started to cry.

6:17

So then it was just the

6:19

final day. It was just me

6:21

and my middle daughter, Tori, and

6:23

we're moving stuff to the new

6:25

house, you know, back and forth,

6:27

back and forth, And it's 4.30

6:29

and the new family is coming

6:32

in at 5 p.m. So it's

6:34

30 minutes left in our home.

6:36

And I realized I'm sitting in

6:38

the empty house. The movers have

6:40

been there all day. They're gone.

6:42

And it's the first time I've

6:44

been in my empty house since

6:46

I was 25. this is trippy,

6:49

you know, like who would ever

6:51

think all of this would happen

6:53

in this house? And here I

6:55

am now. And then the realtor

6:57

comes in and she's like, hello,

6:59

woo-hoo, just coming in. And she

7:01

brought me a bottle of champagne

7:04

and a lovely card and, you

7:06

know, all of that. And she's

7:08

like, I need to get the

7:10

keys from you. And she's talking

7:12

and going in and out of

7:14

the house to bring stuff in

7:16

for the new owners. And she

7:18

goes, oh, you guys are trying

7:21

to have a moment. And

7:23

I was like, yeah, I think

7:25

we are. And she goes, okay,

7:27

I'll be in my car. So

7:30

she goes in the driveway. And

7:32

Tori and I just started to

7:34

cry and hug each other. And

7:36

I said, I said, honey, I'm

7:38

so sorry. I feel like I'm

7:40

selling your childhood. You know, because

7:42

my kids were like, we signed

7:44

our names in the attic and

7:46

we took pictures of the growth

7:48

chart that was painted into one

7:50

of the closets in the kitchen.

7:53

And it was just very emotional.

7:55

I'm gonna cry. She said, we

7:57

wouldn't be this emotional if he

7:59

hadn't given me such a beautiful

8:01

child. Oh. Oh. I'm going to

8:03

cry too. Oh, it was so

8:05

beautiful. And I was like, oh,

8:07

thank you. And so then the

8:09

realtor came in and she goes,

8:11

oh, you're still having your moment.

8:13

And she walked back out and

8:16

was like, all right, sorry. That's

8:18

her side. Yeah. And then the

8:20

next day, the new owners are

8:22

so lovely. And they sent us

8:24

a little video of their little

8:26

girls running through the hallways of

8:28

the house. Oh. Yeah, and she

8:30

was like, thank you so much,

8:32

we just love it here. And

8:34

I was like, oh, you know,

8:36

that's the way it should be.

8:39

That's a house, it has a

8:41

huge yard. It's just, it's meant

8:43

for a young family. And do

8:45

they have just daughters as well?

8:47

Yes. Oh, how fun is that?

8:49

So all that love, all that

8:51

energy that's been held in that

8:53

house, they can pick up on

8:55

that? Yeah. I left that there.

8:57

Oh. And I have the fairy

8:59

door and a little window and

9:02

a lantern and our little fairy

9:04

tree in the front yard. And

9:06

I left that there. So I

9:08

hope they don't mind that I

9:10

left all of that. But I

9:12

thought little girls would love that.

9:14

Yeah, I think they will love

9:16

that. And it's nice that you

9:18

were able to find a family

9:20

that will... It's still a home.

9:22

It's not just a house. It's

9:25

not just a place. It's still

9:27

a home. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.

9:29

Exactly. But it just, it really

9:31

made me think that I do

9:33

believe that change is different for

9:35

empathic people because we just, we

9:37

feel all the fuels as they

9:39

say. Right. You know, all of

9:41

it. And it was just a

9:43

really interesting transition. And, you know,

9:45

here I am in this brand

9:48

new home. It's. It's everything I

9:50

want. It's beautiful. And I love

9:52

being with Michael and I love,

9:54

you know, blending our families together

9:56

and creating new traditions. And so

9:58

that's been just a blessing. I

10:00

was just surprised at the emotions

10:02

that selling up that house kicked

10:04

up in me. So many rights

10:06

of passage happened in that

10:09

house as far as for

10:11

each of your girls for

10:13

you for your relationship with

10:15

your former husband with you

10:17

know your parents passing his

10:19

parents past I mean it's just so

10:21

many huge huge things. chapters and

10:23

chapters of your life, and now

10:26

you're embarking on this new chapter.

10:28

So what a beautiful gift to

10:30

be able to do it in

10:32

a new space that you love

10:34

in a different way, but equally

10:36

love. Right. Exactly. And still

10:38

in the same area, if I had

10:40

moved across town, that would be even

10:42

harder for me. But if you had asked

10:44

me before, how do you deal with change?

10:47

I would be like, great. Like have you

10:49

ever seen me have an issue with, like, I

10:51

don't know, I feel like I'm the type that

10:53

kind of goes with the flow. And

10:55

I realize maybe I go with the flow

10:58

because I've always had the same centered

11:00

home space for so many years.

11:02

Well, the security and stability of

11:04

that, it definitely, it gave you

11:07

an anchor, it gave you a

11:09

safe place. And you're right, you

11:11

love your community. You didn't have

11:13

to uproot and leave your family

11:16

or your friends or any of

11:18

those things, your business, but it's

11:20

still change. Yeah, yeah. No, I

11:22

needed that. Like my sister can ride

11:25

her bike to my house still and

11:27

my two closest friends can still walk

11:29

to me. So I just I needed

11:31

to have that sense of I

11:34

haven't gone far. Oh, you're that close

11:36

to your old house? Oh, wow. Yeah,

11:38

it's about two minutes

11:41

down the road. Okay. I'm

11:43

not making fun of

11:45

just again. Damn, you

11:48

barely need a change

11:50

of a dress label

11:52

for that. I mean,

11:54

that's good code. Oh,

11:56

that's wonderful though

11:58

that you still... because that

12:00

makes the movie even better. You

12:02

didn't, you weren't looking to reinvent

12:04

your whole life. You were just

12:06

looking to enhance it with this

12:08

new person, with this new beautiful

12:10

beginning. And that's what you're doing.

12:12

We thought about it. We did

12:14

think about it. And there's, you

12:16

know, the further you move out,

12:18

the less expensive homes are. So

12:21

we were like, well, let's look,

12:23

you know, out here. And so

12:25

I'm looking about 15, 20 minutes

12:27

away. And my sister was like,

12:29

that's great. but it's gonna break

12:31

my heart. And I was like,

12:33

Courtney, I'm like still, you know,

12:35

15, 20 minutes down the road,

12:37

30 with traffic if I choose

12:39

this area. And she was like,

12:41

yeah, but like, those days when

12:43

I have like a hard day

12:45

at school and I just want

12:47

to like come to your house

12:49

and, you know, have a cup

12:51

of tea or a glass of

12:53

wine, I won't be able to

12:55

do that if you're on the

12:57

other side of town. No. Oh,

12:59

that's true. So I'm glad I

13:01

was able to stay close by.

13:03

Well, I hope that you have

13:05

as many new beautiful memories in

13:07

this new home and I'm sure

13:09

you will That you had in

13:11

your old home. It's really a

13:13

blessing Yeah, and it's it's been

13:15

fun. All the girls have been

13:17

home to the new place to

13:19

kind of settle in their rooms

13:21

and this weekend as we're recording

13:23

is my youngest daughter's birthday. So

13:25

they're all coming home and bringing

13:27

roommates and boyfriends to so it's

13:29

going to be a full house

13:31

and And like I said, so

13:33

the first of like many happy

13:35

memories will be created in this

13:37

new home. It's a perfect time,

13:39

perfect time for change and new

13:41

beginnings and something positive. I, not

13:43

to be Debbie Downer, but there's

13:45

so many people are focusing on

13:47

the negative, on the fear, on

13:49

the anxiety and this. just having

13:51

this conversation, you can feel how

13:53

happy you are, how optimistic, how

13:55

joyful, how beautiful a shift this

13:57

has been in your life, even

13:59

though it's been hard. And I

14:01

think you need to focus more

14:03

on that stuff right now, not

14:05

to the... of being realist, but

14:07

we can't let it win. No,

14:09

no, we definitely can't. I think

14:11

there's a tricky balance we have

14:14

to play right now where we

14:16

are being informed and yet not

14:18

overwhelmed. Right. Did, okay, random question,

14:20

did you bring any plants with

14:22

you for the new yard? Did

14:24

you have anything that you had

14:26

grown that you wanted to rehome

14:28

in your new yard? No. Okay,

14:30

because I've seen that definitively for

14:32

a reason. I don't know what

14:34

happened to me in the last

14:36

couple of years, Denise. I just

14:38

don't want to take care of

14:40

a yard anymore. Okay. That big

14:42

yard and my little vegetable and

14:44

herb garden, it all just, I

14:46

was like, ugh. I just didn't

14:48

want to, so I left it,

14:50

I left it all there. Which

14:52

will be perfect for that new

14:54

family. Yes, I think so. Yeah.

14:56

And in this new house, I

14:58

have a much smaller yard, which

15:00

and everyone's like, oh, you're gonna

15:02

miss your big yard. And I'm

15:04

like, no, no, I'm not. In

15:06

fact, this is how bad I

15:08

am. In fact, this is how

15:10

bad I am. I'm thinking we

15:12

just had the new fence put

15:14

in. And now I want to

15:16

get trees. And I'm actually thinking

15:18

of like putting fake, like huge

15:20

fake trees, just so I don't

15:22

have to take care of anything.

15:24

No! Oh my God! I'm laughing

15:26

because I'm thinking, how can I

15:28

get further away from people and

15:30

more isolated? Well, I mean, you

15:32

actually grow your own food. Well,

15:34

sometimes, yes, it's not. I have

15:36

at times in my life been

15:38

very successful with that and other

15:40

times I haven't, but I like

15:42

playing in the dirt, yes, and

15:44

being where I can't see people.

15:46

That's my favorite. Well, I should

15:48

say this, I loved playing in

15:50

the dirt, even though I was

15:52

never good at it. I had

15:54

this whole vegetable garden, like I

15:56

said, and I could not get

15:58

my broccoli to grow. an entire

16:00

year working on broccoli and I

16:02

got like two stocks. And I'm

16:05

a broccoli fanatic. Like I eat

16:07

most of broccoli at least at least

16:09

five times a week. Oh, wow.

16:11

That's a lot of broccoli. I go

16:13

through a lot of broccoli and blueberries

16:16

are my favorite foods. I go through

16:18

a lot of them. Even Michael like

16:20

living together, he's like, that's a lot

16:23

of blueberries. I'm like, yeah, I can't

16:25

help it. So I remember looking at

16:27

those two stocks and going. And

16:30

then I grew a pumpkin and

16:32

it took over my whole vegetable garden

16:34

and I was like, you know what,

16:37

I just don't think I'm very good

16:39

at this. Well, I'm glad that

16:41

you're happy with your smaller yard

16:43

and your, I can't, I can't go

16:45

with the fake trees, I'm sorry,

16:47

I just can't do it, but

16:49

I understand. Maybe a thought, like,

16:51

oh, maybe a tree that doesn't

16:53

lose its leaves, it's not deciduous,

16:55

that it's, like a

16:57

nice leelan cypresspressipress. Yeah.

16:59

And it would give a place for

17:02

the birdies and, because you do like

17:04

having the birdies and stuff in your

17:06

yard, I remember that. Yes, yes. Yeah.

17:09

I have my little bird feeders and

17:11

my wind chime that you gave me

17:13

in honor of Lily who's been re-hung

17:16

in the new home. Oh, that's nice.

17:18

I love that gift you got me.

17:20

Oh, I'm glad. And I just, Miss

17:23

Lily, she's, she's important. She was a

17:25

sweet little soul dog for you. I

17:27

know. I wanted me to dig up. her

17:29

ashes in the box and bring them to

17:31

the new home. Oh. And I really

17:34

thought about it, but I was like,

17:36

first of all, girls, she's not in

17:38

that box. You know that, right?

17:40

You have listened to me for

17:42

the last years of your life. And

17:44

I said, this is her home. It's

17:46

the only home she's known. And I

17:49

don't know. I just, I felt, I

17:51

felt very conflicted about that. What

17:53

have you done when you've

17:55

moved? And did you leave

17:57

your pet summaries there? Yes.

18:00

different and because I've lived so

18:02

many different places and when you

18:04

and I was just finding humor

18:06

in that the move is still

18:08

a move even if you just

18:10

move in a couple streets over

18:13

but I used to do big

18:15

moves okay let's move from you

18:17

know Maine to Arizona oh let's

18:19

move from Florida to Oregon let's

18:21

move from Vermont to I mean

18:23

I did big cross-country moves so

18:26

you know when I would move

18:28

it was all or nothing and

18:30

I was thinking about that recently

18:32

of two dogs, my pre-children dogs,

18:34

that both passed very close to

18:36

each other and they're buried out

18:39

west. And I was thinking about

18:41

them one day of, you know,

18:43

it's just, it's an interesting thought

18:45

that the, I think the one,

18:47

the hardest thing about, for many

18:49

of us as impasse, is the

18:52

animals don't stay with us very

18:54

long. No. But they do forever.

18:56

I think about Lily every day.

18:58

Yeah, they do. They stay in

19:00

our hearts and I think that

19:02

there's contracts that we make with

19:05

certain animals too. I do too.

19:07

I do too. And I just

19:09

don't think any of us is

19:11

where we are buried. No. You

19:13

know, like I told you, my

19:15

mom bought her and my dad

19:18

drawers in a mausoleum. Right. Just

19:20

so we could visit them even

19:22

when it rains. Right, and they

19:24

had to have the tall, the

19:26

top, the top, the top, right.

19:28

Of course, yes. And it is

19:31

so creepy in that mausoleum, and

19:33

yet my sister and I feel

19:35

obligated to go at least on

19:37

like her birthday and Mother's Day

19:39

and that type of thing, but

19:42

I always sit there and I

19:44

think you're not there, like your

19:46

body is there, but you're not,

19:48

like my mom and dad, they're

19:50

not there. So I was talking

19:52

with this woman and they bought

19:55

a... recently bought an old farmhouse

19:57

and there was a family cemetery

19:59

on the property and she and

20:01

her husband have become the caretakers

20:03

of this family plot on this

20:05

property. And she said, I feel

20:08

like these are my people, I

20:10

feel so connected to them. And

20:12

she said, I wonder if I

20:14

have a past life connection or

20:16

I used to live on this

20:18

property in another lifetime. And then

20:21

I thought about when you brought

20:23

up about the mausoleum, there are

20:25

caretakers there, but the people that,

20:27

you know, when there's no one

20:29

left to take care of their

20:31

graves. And that's a very sobering

20:34

thought. Yeah, it is. Here in

20:36

New England, we have so many

20:38

really old, old, old cemeteries and

20:40

there are volunteers that will go

20:42

in and they'll clean the stones

20:44

and they'll pick up the ones

20:47

and they'll keep it. I think

20:49

it's lovely. I think there's a

20:51

real calling for some people to

20:53

care for the spaces where people

20:55

have been. We have a lovely

20:57

community page on Facebook for where

21:00

I live and there's a veteran.

21:02

And he's retired and all he

21:04

does is go to veterans' cemetery

21:06

gravestones and clean them up. And

21:08

I don't mean like just, oh,

21:11

he brushes them and puts new

21:13

flowers. I mean, if the stone

21:15

has been worn away, he'll carve

21:17

and so you can see the

21:19

name and dates more clearly. Like

21:21

it's such a gift in the

21:24

act of service and he'll post

21:26

the before and afters of what

21:28

he's done. It's absolutely beautiful. But

21:30

it's another reason why I want

21:32

to be cremated. Yes. Yes, I

21:34

do as well. And the land

21:37

space and all of those things.

21:39

And now there's so many options

21:41

they have. Have you heard about

21:43

the mushroom caskets? No. there. No,

21:45

I have not. What is this

21:47

odd thing? No, it's biodegradable caskets

21:50

made out of mushrooms or like

21:52

a compost base and in some

21:54

states you can still be buried

21:56

without needing a crypt, without needing

21:58

the... you know, how they'll put

22:00

a vault in the ground and

22:03

then put the casket inside of

22:05

that. Right. In some states you don't

22:07

need to do that anymore. So they

22:09

have these biodegradable caskets.

22:11

That's pretty cool. Yeah. And then

22:13

there's the thing where people have

22:16

their ashes. A lot of people

22:18

are putting their ashes. It used

22:20

to be just jewelry. Had you heard

22:22

about, I spoke with someone recently

22:24

and they had, they're a tattoo

22:27

artist who will put... Cremains

22:29

into tattoos. All

22:31

right. Tribute tattoos

22:34

with the person's

22:36

cremains in them. That's

22:38

kind of a neat

22:40

idea. Well, it's a

22:42

tribute. It's for sure. Yeah,

22:45

I got to wrap my

22:47

head around that one.

22:49

No, and then there's

22:51

people that have, you

22:53

know, been mixed in

22:55

with, for her see life. I

22:57

mean it's just it's so interesting the

23:00

whole what some people feel so

23:02

like your mom she knew where she

23:04

wanted to be she knew why she wanted

23:06

to be there she knew what draw

23:08

she wanted to be and damn it

23:10

and I think when you have that

23:12

conviction and you leave those clear of

23:14

a thing in a way it makes

23:17

it easier for the people to hear

23:19

because you just have to this is

23:21

what I want please do this. Yeah,

23:23

and I do think everyone

23:25

should be very clear about

23:27

that and not afraid to

23:29

discuss it. She was completely

23:31

against cremation and she used to always

23:33

say that if I died before her

23:35

she would have me buried. Okay. Mom,

23:38

you know that's not what I want

23:40

and she would say I don't care

23:42

I'm your mother and I know best.

23:44

There was a woman a new years

23:46

ago. devout Catholic. She was an older

23:49

woman and her joy in life was

23:51

she would drive around with the host

23:53

in her glove compartment to bring to

23:55

the shut-ins and she was probably in

23:57

her 80s when she would do this.

24:00

God that woman had her funeral and

24:02

I want this priest not that priest

24:04

and you know ask this lady to

24:06

make the snacks because she makes the

24:08

best snow like she had it every

24:11

detail of what she wanted because what

24:13

she wanted said what music and it

24:15

made it really easy for her children

24:17

wow I mean I guess we'll have

24:20

to come to that point I just

24:22

don't care oh I don't either I

24:24

don't either. And one of my sons

24:26

got very upset about that. I said,

24:28

it's not going to make a difference.

24:31

I'm not going to be there. And

24:33

he said, yeah, but we need to

24:35

know, where do you want to be

24:37

scattered? Do you want to do you

24:40

want me to take a road trip

24:42

to all the places you've lived? What

24:44

do you want? Now, there is someone

24:46

in their lives in my ex-husband family

24:48

who had it in their will that

24:51

they had lived in another country for

24:53

a country for a while and they

24:55

want their ashes spread there. And it's

24:57

an understanding that the family will go

25:00

there and spread the ashes. And I

25:02

think, I really don't care because I

25:04

don't think it's going to matter. It's

25:06

more like my parents are both scattered

25:08

in a river by where I grew

25:11

up. That makes sense. They love that

25:13

river. It's where we learn to swim

25:15

and row and my father had a

25:17

boat there for a while. So it

25:20

makes sense that... and it's a beautiful

25:22

place to sit and visit them. Yeah.

25:24

They didn't have any desire to be

25:26

in a graveyard. So I think it's

25:28

really, sometimes it's about where would be

25:31

a beautiful place for the person to

25:33

remember me. Well, I want to be

25:35

cremated and scattered over the grounds of

25:37

my church. Oh. Because I love my

25:40

church and I have a lot of

25:42

happy memories. My kids, you know, went

25:44

to school there for 15 years total

25:46

and We went there every Sunday and

25:49

Wednesdays too, so that's where I want

25:51

to be. And I figure that way,

25:53

if I'm totally wrong, and that whole

25:55

like resurrection thing actually does happen, I'll

25:57

be on church ground. covered

26:00

either way Denise. It's good to

26:03

head your betches, your betches, your

26:05

betts. So I did see this

26:07

is so random and I found

26:09

it very funny is that and

26:12

it's kind of connected to what

26:14

you just said is I was

26:16

reading something and someone said I

26:18

just want to get inflatable people

26:21

and fill them with helium and

26:23

then find find a bunch of

26:25

people that believe in the rapture

26:27

and say oh you missed the

26:30

window. a

26:36

couple of movies though that start

26:38

out with that and it is

26:40

scary when you look at it

26:42

and they're just gone. Yeah. So

26:44

this conversation took an interesting twist.

26:46

It took a very dark word.

26:48

I promise when Denise and I

26:50

talk on the phone like just

26:53

normal friends we don't discuss death

26:55

and where we want to be

26:57

buried. But I think it's it's

26:59

it's normal. Actually when I had

27:01

that reading last summer from someone

27:03

and she said part of your

27:05

work is to help normalize death

27:07

as a process of living. And

27:09

I think that's what we're talking

27:11

about, is if we can normalize

27:14

it and just make it part

27:16

of things, because it is, it's...

27:18

Speaking of normalizing all of that

27:20

as intuitives, I do think you'll

27:22

be at your funeral. Haven't you

27:24

have no doubt? Right, because you

27:26

were like, I won't be there,

27:28

I won't care, but I was

27:30

like, well, you'll probably be at

27:32

the funeral. Oh, well, be there,

27:34

I don't even really want a

27:37

funeral to be honest with you.

27:39

I don't. You're going to have

27:41

an Irish goodbye to life? Yes,

27:43

yes. Beams out people. Well, when

27:45

the propane was messed up on

27:47

the RV, I said, oh, Viking

27:49

burial, I'm just going to go

27:51

out and blaze of a blaze

27:53

of glory glory. I'm not going

27:55

to reward that. I'm not so

27:58

concerned with the resting... of whatever's

28:00

left of my physical body. No,

28:02

I get that. I do. I'm

28:04

just joking with you. Yeah. But

28:06

no, I think that that's another

28:08

reason though that so many of us are

28:10

saying, you know, what can I be doing

28:12

right now? How can I be enjoying life?

28:14

How can I? So one of the

28:17

things I was saying in funeral. You

28:19

do, and you say, don't worry about

28:21

it. But I do, how many times

28:23

have you done readings? And someone will

28:25

say, boy, I had a good turnout, didn't

28:27

I? Or I can't believe she showed

28:29

up. And they come for all the

28:32

big events. Yeah, they really do. They're

28:34

there. They are definitely there. I

28:36

remember doing a reading for someone

28:39

and I saw a blue three

28:41

ring binder. Oh, like the laminated

28:43

pages and everything. Yeah. And I

28:45

said to the person I was reading.

28:47

Did they plan their whole wedding? I

28:50

mean, oh my gosh. Did they plan their

28:52

whole funeral from beginning to end? Yeah.

28:54

Like, oh yeah, it was all down

28:56

in paper. And I thought, gosh, that

28:59

is not the first time I've seen

29:01

that blue binder. Now it's become one

29:03

of my symbols of someone who has

29:06

planned their whole funeral. Isn't it funny

29:08

how they'll give you that once and

29:10

then you know what it is and

29:12

they'll use it over and over and

29:15

over again? Yeah, I know. But you

29:17

know what, you know what I don't

29:19

love, if you're doing a reading and

29:21

you really got a good link and

29:23

you're passing on your messages,

29:26

inevitably the client will

29:28

say, can you please tell her that I

29:30

said so and so, or can you

29:32

please tell him that I feel so

29:34

and so? And I always say, yes,

29:36

but you can too. Right, they can

29:39

hear you. And I just, I

29:41

wish people would understand that, even

29:43

if you can't that even if

29:45

you. often hear them back

29:47

or ever hear them back or

29:49

get a sign right away that

29:52

they were listening. I think just

29:54

trusting and knowing that they are

29:56

out there listening is

29:58

really really important. And something

30:00

I wonder, you know, sometimes I'll

30:02

just be driving along or I'll

30:04

be trying to meditate or, I

30:06

don't know, just cooking dinner and

30:08

my dad will just pop into

30:10

my head or I'll just think

30:12

of a funny story with my

30:14

mom. And I always wonder, is

30:16

that me thinking of them or

30:19

are they thinking of me? Right,

30:22

or both. Or both. Yeah. And

30:24

so I think when you are

30:26

missing someone on the other side

30:28

and they just randomly pop into

30:31

your head, I think it's a

30:33

hello from them and that's a

30:35

great time to start talking to

30:37

them. Now, and some spirits are

30:39

so, so good about letting you

30:41

know they're around. And I wonder

30:43

too, if that's indicative of who

30:45

they were in life. So, you

30:47

know, listeners know, love my parents,

30:49

but you know, my mom was

30:52

a little challenging. But

30:54

my mother -in -law was very different. She

30:56

was the mother I always wanted to have,

30:58

super nurturing, was always over at the

31:00

house helping me with everything. When I was

31:02

packing up my home, I was thinking

31:05

a lot about Maggie and just all the

31:07

memories I had of her in that

31:09

house. And I mean, gosh, Denise, I think

31:11

I told you, every time I was

31:13

pregnant, she would write letters to the baby

31:15

every month for the nine months of

31:17

the pregnancy. Oh. To your baby fay. And

31:20

she would drop off a gift for

31:22

the baby or for me every month. Wow.

31:24

And I'd come home for a long

31:26

day of teaching and there'd be like a

31:28

little cooler with dinner and a little

31:30

note, dear baby fay, your mom is growing

31:32

you right now and she probably had

31:35

a long day, so I'm just dropping off

31:37

dinner or a little outfit for the

31:39

baby or a little toy, what have you,

31:41

sweetest thing. So she was always doing

31:43

things like that. And I was just thinking

31:45

about her a lot, packing up and

31:47

seeing all those baby fay cards. And I,

31:50

you know, I get up to go

31:52

into the kitchen to get some water and

31:54

I step on something shiny and I

31:56

look down and it's a quarter. And

31:59

that's all. been her sign

32:01

from me that she's around is the

32:03

quarter and I was like oh thank

32:05

you Maggie but like my mom and

32:07

dad I don't get that same

32:10

instantaneous feedback with but

32:12

I think that's kind of

32:14

their personality but you dream

32:16

about visiting with them yeah I do

32:19

so my dad not my well I

32:21

know I have to had dreams about

32:23

my mom too yeah that is more

32:26

frequent Right, so I wonder if

32:28

for it's just another version of

32:30

that way to connect. Is that,

32:32

do you dream much about Maggie?

32:34

Not in a while, no. Usually

32:37

she pops in when there's

32:39

like, you know, something that

32:41

she really needs to warn us

32:43

about. Yeah, so I mean, my father

32:45

died a long time ago, long,

32:47

long time ago now, and I

32:50

was doing a meditation and I

32:52

came up to this door. And

32:54

I could see the door

32:56

so clearly in my mind's

32:58

eye, like every detail, I

33:00

could feel my hand turning

33:02

the handle, the door knob,

33:04

I could like feel the,

33:07

it was, you know, in

33:09

old, old houses, they used

33:11

to have these crystalline door

33:13

knobs that would be in

33:15

old houses, and I could

33:17

feel that in my hand,

33:19

and I turned the knob, he

33:22

was healthy. But it was

33:24

that reminder that they're still

33:26

there. We might not be able

33:28

to see them in physicality, but

33:31

they are in a space

33:33

where they're still able to

33:35

communicate with us. Yes. And again,

33:37

it goes back to trust. Right. But

33:40

I still say, be true to who

33:42

you are. You know, don't be spiritually

33:45

positive just because you're

33:47

on the spiritual path.

33:49

I had that wonderful dream a

33:51

couple of months ago, really

33:53

because of anger. I hadn't heard from

33:55

my dad in a while and I

33:57

was like, daddy, are you kidding me?

34:00

you know I'm psychic I know

34:02

you are into all of this

34:04

stuff and just what the hell

34:06

and I got mad I really

34:08

did it wasn't like a like

34:10

hey dad I miss you it

34:12

was like really and that's what

34:14

I had that dream where he

34:16

showed me how he was spending

34:18

extra time in his life review

34:20

because he found it so fascinating

34:23

that he could touch any point

34:25

on that. Remember I think I

34:27

told him the touch screen map

34:29

of his life and he could

34:31

touch a point and it would

34:33

show him all the options he

34:35

had and how it affected everyone

34:37

in the family. Wow. And he

34:39

was like I just have to

34:41

stay here longer and that's so

34:44

him. He was such a, he

34:46

had to really study and evaluate

34:48

everything. So it makes sense. But

34:50

I just share that because if

34:52

you're not getting those instantaneous signs,

34:54

those quarters, you know, on your

34:56

path, the birds flying across your

34:58

car, all of that, it doesn't

35:00

mean they're not there and that

35:02

they don't love you. It could

35:05

just be, again, in line with

35:07

their personality and their quirks and

35:09

foibles and what they're doing on

35:11

the other side. And they come

35:13

and go. I mean, especially with

35:15

when someone's been gone for a

35:17

while, don't you find that, well,

35:19

Maggie's a good example, she passed

35:21

quite a while ago, and you

35:23

might not hear from her for

35:26

a long time, and then, poop,

35:28

she pops up again. So, yeah.

35:30

She goes away in 2007, and

35:32

I heard from her a lot,

35:34

those early years. And I told

35:36

you, some of my children saw

35:38

her, some of my kids dreamed

35:40

of her, all sorts of really

35:42

cool stuff. And then after around,

35:44

like, 2014, it started to tape

35:47

her off. Yeah. Yeah. And it

35:49

just makes sense. They're busy and

35:51

settling in. Someone asked me this

35:53

recently of, well, I dreamt of

35:55

someone, but if there were, it

35:57

was an older, it was like

35:59

an older grandparent or great-grandparent, and

36:01

she said, if, how are you

36:03

able to connect with them? if

36:05

they've reincarnated into the family line

36:08

or if they've reincarnated onto the

36:10

planet. And we had that conversation

36:12

of how a piece of our

36:14

soul light stays as an anchor

36:16

on the other side. And again,

36:18

is it true? Is it not?

36:20

We'll find out. But I think

36:22

that there is a part of

36:24

us that stays so that we

36:26

can connect with it. That's why

36:29

I brought up. when we were

36:31

interviewing Simon on his book on

36:33

near-death experiences, I highlighted that one

36:35

quote, I think it was Deborah's

36:37

story, where her guide said to

36:39

her, because she was like, I

36:41

don't want to go back to

36:43

Earth, and he said, a part

36:45

of you is always here. Yeah.

36:47

And I just, I like when

36:50

we have stories that validate what

36:52

we're always feeling, you know. And

36:54

that was a fun show with

36:56

the similarities of the NDEs, and

36:58

there was no fear in any

37:00

of it. No, no, definitely not.

37:02

And I think that's incredibly comforting.

37:04

And that's something else. Whenever the

37:06

world is in scary, changing tumultuous

37:08

times as it is now. I'm

37:11

not saying that I close my

37:13

eyes and close my ears because

37:15

as I mentioned before I definitely

37:17

think it is on all of

37:19

us to stay informed about what

37:21

is going on but I also

37:23

think you have to temper that

37:25

and the way I temper that

37:27

is I will read as many

37:29

uplifting affirming things as I can

37:32

or watch them as well I'll

37:34

watch I mean Michael was laughing

37:36

at me the other night because

37:38

I was watching this old show

37:40

on it's on prime and I

37:42

remember watching it as a kid.

37:44

It's hosted by the guy from

37:46

the Waltons John Boy. Okay. And

37:48

it's all on people who have

37:50

been visited by loved ones or

37:52

angels. Oh. And it's free on

37:55

I was on prime and it's

37:57

so fun to see like the

37:59

dress styles of people. in the

38:01

late 80s, early 90s. It was

38:03

very, very enjoyable.

38:05

But anyway, I'll do that.

38:07

So I'll watch the news,

38:09

or I'll listen to the

38:12

news, or read it,

38:14

and then I'll go

38:16

and read a comforting

38:18

near-death experience book, or

38:21

call my friend Denise

38:23

and have a happy chat

38:25

about where I want to

38:27

be buried when I die. I

38:29

really, it goes back to the question we had

38:31

in a recent show about needing time alone

38:33

and needing, I think, taking time to really,

38:35

oh, so I'm going to kind of answer that

38:37

and kind of not, in that I was writing

38:40

the other morning and I thought, so

38:42

many people, myself and Claire, said, well, I

38:44

don't know what I want, what do I want

38:46

next, what's, we're being pulled in this new direction.

38:48

And then I was right, I thought, it's not

38:50

about what you want, it's how you want to

38:52

feel, it's how you want to feel, it's how

38:55

you want to feel. And I know, and I

38:57

know, and I know, and I know that's very

38:59

basic. but it really applies of how do you

39:01

want to have this experience and and yes there

39:03

are variables and situations and there's

39:06

there's all of the things that happen

39:08

in everyday life but when you're making

39:10

these decisions about where you want to

39:12

go next or what you want to

39:15

do or what you think you're

39:17

supposed to do I think it's important

39:19

to factor in how you want to

39:21

feel while you're doing it. Yeah I do

39:23

too I do too how do you want the world

39:25

to feel. Because if we

39:27

are co-creators with the world,

39:30

then we really do have

39:32

an important energy that we

39:34

have to bring to the

39:36

energy around us right now.

39:38

Right. And remember we had

39:40

the Astra twins on a

39:42

couple times? I love them.

39:44

I love their sad energy

39:46

just really resonates with me.

39:48

And I was listening to

39:51

a little clip that they

39:53

have and they were talking

39:55

about... AI and neuralink and

39:57

how neuralink was developed to

39:59

put these threads in through

40:01

brain for people with ALS or

40:03

people with mobility issues or you

40:05

can have a thought and it

40:08

will physically move your body, but

40:10

that there is a whole faction

40:12

that are looking at an integrated

40:15

human and computerized brain kind of

40:17

an outlook in the future. And

40:19

I wondered, there are a lot

40:21

of people that think that would

40:24

be marvelous and it would increase

40:26

capacity and all of these things.

40:28

And then equally, there is this

40:30

whole other group that are feeling

40:33

this, this core drive to be

40:35

more connected with the Earth, with

40:37

the elements, with the energy. Is

40:40

that trying to counterbalance that? That's

40:42

so interesting. I've always felt that

40:44

we're already kind of like computers.

40:46

Right. We're electrical. We're electrical. We

40:49

have currents. We have to be

40:51

charged six to eight hours every

40:53

day. Yeah. Parts break down. Get

40:55

replaced. That's right. I've always felt

40:58

that we're kind of like created

41:00

by something else. I don't know.

41:02

Have you ever abused on that?

41:05

Well, this is a... It's funny,

41:07

but it's not. So my mother

41:09

had a hip replacement and they

41:11

used titanium for hip replacements. And

41:14

I remember when she passed, my

41:16

very practical son said, I wonder

41:18

what they do with all of

41:20

those titanium parts. You know, there's

41:23

big money in titanium scrap. And

41:25

I thought, Sam, no one is

41:27

out harvesting old... implants that people

41:30

had and he said, but they

41:32

might be. Oh, well Denise, do

41:34

I have a documentary for you

41:36

then? You need to go on

41:39

Netflix and watch the Kings of

41:41

Tupolo. Oh, it is the most

41:43

weird outlandish hilarious documentary I've ever

41:45

read on a guy who gets

41:48

really swept up in a conspiracy

41:50

theory. that there really is this

41:52

underground business of selling that type

41:55

of stuff after someone dies. Well

41:57

when you think about people that

41:59

buy scrap silver and melting it

42:01

down there might be a market

42:04

for titanium hips and knees and

42:06

stuff I don't know. Okay again

42:08

we're on to the desk. At

42:10

least it's humorous death. We're finding

42:13

humor in it. No, but you're

42:15

right. You do have to focus

42:17

on the feelings. And I think

42:20

we need to model that for

42:22

people. You know, I had a

42:24

young friend had a birthday and

42:26

I said, where do you want

42:29

to be a year from now?

42:31

And they were like, huh, I

42:33

haven't really thought about that. Oh,

42:35

wow. And I was thinking how

42:38

important it is to always be

42:40

thinking, yes, stay in the present.

42:42

Yes, focus on healing the past,

42:45

but also project your positive energy

42:47

into the future. What do you

42:49

want to be at the end

42:51

of this nine year? How do

42:54

you want to feel at the

42:56

end of this year? What do

42:58

you want the world to look

43:00

like at the end of this

43:03

year? And start sending your love

43:05

and light to that. I think

43:07

that's really, really important. So yes,

43:10

that goes back to your question

43:12

about how are we deflecting the

43:14

negativity. Here in New England, we've

43:16

had a stretch of snow. and

43:19

it'll go away and then we'll

43:21

have wintery mix and then we'll

43:23

have free. It's been typical early

43:25

spring in a northern climate and

43:28

I was outside and the snow

43:30

had melted and I was throwing

43:32

a stick for the dog and

43:35

I went over to pick up

43:37

the stick and I saw the

43:39

first little snowdrops coming up and

43:41

I felt this surge of just

43:44

joy, absolute pure joy of all.

43:46

They're back and then snow drops

43:48

are about renewal and purity and

43:50

after the long winter. And I

43:53

said, also it's their job. They

43:55

know, okay, early April, time to

43:57

show up, let's go people. But.

44:00

I think we have to find it

44:02

in those little things like enjoying the snow

44:04

drops. I agree and I

44:06

have a question. Okay. Does

44:08

that come first or does the

44:11

intuition come first? And let me

44:13

explain. I have always been

44:15

like that. I know you have always been like

44:17

that. My friend Deb has always been

44:19

like that. And

44:21

yet I have a lot of friends

44:24

in my life who are not into

44:26

the spiritual woo woo world at all.

44:28

And when I will point out the beautiful

44:30

hawk flying above us or the

44:32

new shoot of spring coming up like

44:34

you were just saying or just

44:36

how beautiful it feels with the sun

44:38

on our face, they kind of

44:40

look at me and then go back

44:43

to their conversation. Right? And so

44:45

it's just made me wonder, do

44:48

you start to appreciate those little things

44:50

when you become more spiritual and

44:52

intuitively connected to everything around you? Or

44:56

do you become more spiritual and

44:58

intuitively connected to everything around you

45:00

because you've always noticed the little things?

45:03

I think it can be both.

45:05

It could also be part of our life

45:07

path to enjoy it more this time.

45:10

It could be that I

45:12

spoke with someone recently who

45:14

wants to move and lives

45:16

in a major, major city

45:18

in the world. And

45:22

I've lived in big cities.

45:24

I've lived in apartments. I've had

45:26

that experience. It's not where

45:28

I want to be right now.

45:30

And we were speaking and

45:32

this person started listing major cities

45:34

in the world. And I said,

45:36

oh, it's just right in the middle of

45:38

it. I have to be right in the middle

45:40

of a huge city. That's where I'm my

45:42

happiest. So I think they probably might

45:45

not be as excited about the

45:47

snow drops. Yeah,

45:49

that's true. And that's fine. Right.

45:51

We have to find our own

45:53

touchstones, our own anchor points that

45:55

reconnect us to who we are.

45:57

And if it's being in the

45:59

middle of it. city, that's fantastic. If

46:01

it's being out in the

46:04

country, good for you. It doesn't

46:06

matter what your touchstone is, as

46:08

long as it's positive and uplifting

46:10

for you. Right. So I don't

46:13

know why this flashed in my

46:15

mind, but that feeling when

46:17

you're in an art museum and

46:19

you see a piece that just

46:21

pulls you right into it and

46:24

you lose space and time and It

46:26

might not even be the most beautiful,

46:28

they're the most famous, but there's something

46:30

about that piece that just touches your

46:32

heart. I think it's the same thing.

46:34

I do too. I do too. Or

46:36

finding a book that really speaks to

46:38

you or hearing a new piece of

46:40

music and all the lyrics of the

46:43

melody just make something sing in your heart.

46:45

Yeah. Those are the gifts that I feel we

46:47

have to focus on now. And I think

46:49

you probably found that when you were

46:51

going through the memories with the girls

46:54

of... It was the snippets of the

46:56

memories that held the love. Yeah, yeah,

46:58

exactly. And it reminded me

47:01

that all of that was just

47:03

pieces of paper. Right. All the

47:05

way to still, I still held on

47:07

to most of it. Well, it's, and

47:10

that's okay. A lot of times people

47:12

say, oh, just take a picture of

47:14

it and it's the same. Sometimes.

47:17

But then you gotta hold on

47:19

to the picture. Good

47:22

point. Very good point. I couldn't,

47:25

like, I, my kids, I saved

47:27

all their, okay, anyone who had

47:29

little kids listening right

47:32

now, just mute, mute me for

47:34

10 seconds, I saved all their

47:36

letters to Santa. And it was

47:39

so funny. I just kept screenshotting

47:41

them and texting to them, to... look

47:43

at what they wanted more than anything

47:45

in the world when they were eight

47:48

or ten or eleven. It was so

47:50

funny to see. No. You can't throw

47:52

that away? No. I went through and

47:55

my children a lot older and I

47:57

told you I did that big purge

47:59

right after the holidays where I was,

48:02

I was cracking myself up and say,

48:04

shredding the trauma to me, shredding the

48:06

trauma. It was old stuff with my

48:08

ex-husband and businesses I owned and all

48:11

that kind of stuff. And when I

48:13

came across things that were, when the

48:15

boys were little, it was a, some

48:18

of it was, you know, you don't

48:20

need to keep every piece of paper

48:22

that they brought home from elementary school,

48:25

but you do need to pick something

48:27

that really. touches your heart still, if

48:29

it still touches your heart, then it

48:31

still matters. Yes, exactly. Like I did

48:34

not save every report card, but the

48:36

ones that had little notes from teachers

48:38

I saved. Right. And it is, I

48:41

did throw away a lot of my

48:43

journals. Wow. I did, because I was

48:45

shredding the trauma too, because I was

48:48

like, I don't need to save this,

48:50

I don't need to hold on to

48:52

this energy, and I have, I had

48:55

this whole bin. that held everything from

48:57

that terrible summer when my ex-husband was

48:59

injured in the line of duty. And

49:01

I mean everything. It had the guest

49:04

book, the letters from everyone, all the

49:06

newspaper articles, his medical reports, everything. And

49:08

I thought I can't bring this to

49:11

the new house. So I had to

49:13

give it to him. And he is

49:15

a lot like his lovely mother, but

49:18

they just don't hold on to anything,

49:20

you know. And I was like, please

49:22

just hold, I wanted the kids, you

49:24

know, because one day they're going to

49:27

want to know all about that summer.

49:29

And so I hope he holds on

49:31

to it. But I didn't want to

49:34

hold it. I thought this isn't mine

49:36

to hold anymore. It's funny that you

49:38

bring that up because I have an

49:41

Afghan that I made. I crocheted this

49:43

Afghan. It's very nice. It's very pretty.

49:45

Each square is a different stitch. And

49:48

I went to move it the other

49:50

day. and I realized it flashed me

49:52

back to when I was working on

49:54

it and they weren't the happiest memories

49:57

that I had and I thought, how

49:59

do you release something that you've loved

50:01

but that you know doesn't? hold memories

50:04

that you need to have in your

50:06

space anymore. And I think that's exactly

50:08

what you're saying. Yes, and that's a

50:11

principle of Feng Shui. Right. You know,

50:13

if the energy that it emotes inside

50:15

of you is not positive, you need

50:17

to pass it on. And finding someone

50:20

that would just enjoy, it's a beautiful,

50:22

crafted blanket. But I think that that's

50:24

important with this nine-year and everything we're

50:27

talking about is... Maybe seeing if there's

50:29

anything in your space or in your

50:31

heart or in your life that you're

50:34

like, you know, I think this is

50:36

done. It's it we've gotten what we

50:38

needed out of this and it's time

50:41

to go. Yeah, it's time to go.

50:43

Although I did feel so bad for

50:45

Michael. So there's this new trend at

50:47

least it's new to me where you

50:50

take you don't wear your mom's wedding

50:52

dress, but you take pieces of it

50:54

and you create your future child's like

50:57

first, your christening gown out of that.

50:59

And I just, my kids shared that

51:01

with me and I thought that was

51:04

so beautiful. So my wedding dress is

51:06

in this huge, you know, vacuum sealed

51:08

box with the dry cleaner. It's been

51:10

in there up in my attic forever.

51:13

And I had all this stuff that

51:15

I needed to put into the storage

51:17

unit that we rented. And he comes

51:20

by and he's like, okay, I load

51:22

up my truck, like, what else am

51:24

I taken to the storage unit? And

51:27

I was like, um, there's really just

51:29

this wedding dress. Was that bad of

51:31

me? No. It was just like, my

51:34

kids wanted. And so, you know. And

51:36

it still, it was a dress worn

51:38

in love and hope, and it is

51:40

connected with your children. Yeah, so I

51:43

kept my fine China. I kept my

51:45

fine China. I was like, well, I

51:47

can't really bring this to the new

51:50

house because that was my wedding China.

51:52

But I want my kids to be

51:54

able to have it if they want

51:57

it one day, so I put that

51:59

in storage. So

52:01

just trying to sift through that

52:03

stuff was interesting. Right. Do you

52:05

know what I mean? Because I

52:07

really do think everything has energy.

52:09

And I just wanted this move

52:12

to be a clean slate and

52:14

not like a... Well, yeah, this

52:16

is the plate that my former

52:18

mother-in-law bought me. Right. No, that's

52:20

important. That's really important, especially with,

52:22

as you said, blending to families,

52:24

new energy, a new relationship. It's

52:26

very respectful. I give credit to

52:28

people that they, well, reword that

52:30

to have the choice to be

52:33

able to do it the way

52:35

you did is a beautiful gift.

52:37

Some people don't have that choice

52:39

or they choose not to. Still

52:41

a choice, I guess. But I

52:43

love that you're able to have

52:45

that first start because that makes

52:47

it home for everybody involved. Yeah.

52:49

Yeah, and I think it's important

52:51

to honor all the chapters of

52:54

our life and not just shred

52:56

them, but some of those chapters

52:58

or pages in those chapters do

53:00

need to be shredded. So I

53:02

think you and I did the

53:04

right thing when we were having

53:06

our purge January, it sounds like.

53:08

Yeah, and the interesting about the

53:10

journals, because I have, I've shared

53:12

that I have them from when

53:15

I'm like a mid-t teenager. That's

53:17

a lot. that has moved around,

53:19

those journals have moved around more

53:21

than most people. And I said

53:23

to a friend of mine, I

53:25

said, I'm going to have one

53:27

big ass bonfire this summer and

53:29

they're going. And she said, you

53:31

can't. You can't. And I said,

53:34

well, it's been your life. And

53:36

I said, but I need to

53:38

figure out what I said. I

53:40

wonder if holding on to them

53:42

as holding on to chords to

53:44

that time that needs to be

53:46

released. I'll tell you, I held

53:48

on to all my journals from

53:50

middle school and high school and

53:52

college. And I just got rid

53:55

of those because the only reason

53:57

I held on to them was

53:59

to help me as a mom.

54:01

Oh, because it really is. Yeah, it

54:03

really, like, I, like, every couple of

54:05

years, I flip through those pages, and

54:08

it would remind me what it was

54:10

like to be a teenager and to

54:12

think that, you know, this was my

54:14

entire world, and, you know, this was

54:16

the end, and this was the, and

54:19

that it really did help me as

54:21

a parent. But you know, I

54:23

got through the teenage years with

54:25

my kids, so I shredded that

54:28

too, and it felt really, really

54:30

good. So I think there's a

54:32

time and a place to save

54:35

some things, and there's a

54:37

time and a place to move

54:39

forward and let those go.

54:42

Yes. Or it could be enough

54:44

of a pyre so that wouldn't

54:46

have to worry about where the

54:48

ashes go, right? Anyway,

54:51

it's said with love and with

54:53

and, you know, again, congratulations on

54:55

even in this market, you found

54:57

a beautiful home, which is talk

54:59

about working with guides and angels

55:02

on that one. I know that was,

55:04

I mean, selling my house before

55:06

it was even listed. Talk about

55:08

manifesting. That was absolutely

55:10

beautiful. Very, very grateful

55:13

and very, very happy that

55:15

everything is progressing beautifully forward

55:17

and I'm just, I'm. I'm

55:20

just really grateful. That's all I

55:22

can say. Yes. Yeah. It's on new beginnings. Time

55:24

for more snowdrops and new beginnings. Oh,

55:26

I love that. And I love you

55:28

for these. I love you too. We're

55:30

good friends. We've been through a lot

55:32

over the years. I hope that people

55:35

are listening feel like they're part of

55:37

our conversations because we really, if you

55:39

were here with us at the table,

55:41

we would be having the same conversations.

55:43

You'd be able to join in. Yeah,

55:46

sometimes we'll talk just normally

55:48

and I'll go, we should

55:50

hit record. That's true. Well,

55:52

have a great week everyone. We

55:54

wish you to find your

55:56

own touchstones this week that

55:58

bring you back to. who you

56:00

are and what is really and truly

56:02

important to you. Remember, you. as always,

56:04

to show up, do great work, and

56:06

share your and share your care. care.