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Denver, batch 3, UFO

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roundtable. I

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don't

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have a lot of time because I'm on the move. You're

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that collective? I'm on the move. Have

0:59

fun going through my empty apartment. Things

1:01

are going to be a little fast and loose for the next

1:03

while, but I'm confident I'm going to land on

1:05

my feet. Thanks to you

1:07

out there listening to this, I've been able to connect

1:09

with like-minded people that I can

1:11

and plan to rely on. Before

1:14

shit hit the fan, some friends of the

1:17

podcast recorded a roundtable discussion, this time focusing

1:19

on UFOs, and now feels as good

1:21

a time as any to share it with you. I'll

1:23

let Marta take it from here. The quote, Noah, keep

1:26

your minds and eyes open. Welcome

1:30

to the Escaping Denver UFO Roundtable. My

1:32

name is Marta Westlhoff. I'm a podcaster

1:35

based out of Vancouver, British Columbia, and

1:37

I'm here today to talk to some

1:40

people who have had some very specific

1:42

experiences in the world of UFOs.

1:45

I myself am a natural skeptic, so

1:48

when you hear stories about people being abducted,

1:51

don't always believe it. But I

1:53

want to hear from the people who have more experience in

1:55

this to see if perhaps they can change my mind or

1:57

kind of shed light on some of the things that we

1:59

do. that we've heard Noah and Sarah

2:01

go through in the Escaping Denver podcast. I

2:04

have two guests today. I brought

2:07

together Ryan Tan, who, Ryan,

2:09

correct me if I'm wrong, you yourself

2:11

have experienced an abduction in your

2:13

life. Yes, I have, Mara, and thank you so

2:15

much for having me on the podcast. Of

2:18

course. I'm very glad that you're here and I really

2:20

appreciate you sharing your story with us.

2:23

And then I also have another guest today known

2:26

only as Frenchie. And Frenchie,

2:28

you yourself are considered sort of an

2:31

expert in the world of ufology and

2:33

the study of UFOs, if

2:36

I'm not mistaken. Yeah, exactly. So

2:38

first off, thank you for having me and I'm

2:40

really looking forward for that discussion. Great.

2:44

Thank you so much to both of you for being here. I would

2:47

like to just jump right in, Ryan. I would love it

2:49

if you could kind of tell me about your

2:51

story and your experience with UFOs.

2:54

Yeah, of course. I

2:57

grew up in a city called Leaf Rapids,

2:59

Canada. This is in northern

3:02

Manitoba. And I

3:04

was camping with my dad at Lynn Lake.

3:07

Lynn Lake is about, I'd say

3:09

90 minutes north of Leaf Rapids by car. And

3:12

my dad was a huge outdoorsman. And

3:14

he wanted to teach me everything in

3:16

the book on survival when I was

3:18

younger. And along came that, you know,

3:21

how to hunt, how to gather and

3:23

how to essentially thrive in the wilderness.

3:26

And if you don't know much about Lynn

3:28

Lake, Lynn Lake is a great spot for

3:30

sports fishing during the summer. And in the

3:32

winter, people go there for snowmobiling, snowshoeing

3:34

and ice fishing, which is, you know,

3:37

why my dad wanted to take me up there in

3:39

the first place. He wanted to teach me how to

3:41

ice fish. And Lynn Lake only has

3:43

around a population of just under about 600 people.

3:47

And my dad, God rest his soul,

3:49

had just recently divorced my mother and

3:51

partook in a lot of activities that

3:54

embodied seclusion. So he

3:57

wanted to be on his own a lot. But I

3:59

was there. to take me, you know, scrappy

4:01

little 11 year old kid, gave him hell. I

4:03

was really shy, didn't have a lot of friends.

4:05

And I saw my dad as

4:07

my best friend and being together outdoors was

4:10

sort of what bonded us. But

4:12

anyway, he took me camping over the

4:14

weekend. And we had planned just

4:16

to stay at least a few nights and we had

4:18

camp set up. And I went to

4:20

take a leak. And I

4:23

remember vividly seeing four bright

4:25

dots in the sky parallel

4:28

to each other. And on

4:30

the first night, it would hover. It

4:33

was completely stationary. And

4:36

then it would just disappear. And

4:39

I'd obviously tried telling my dad and he

4:41

just told me, you know, go back to

4:43

bed, you know, insinuating it was just part

4:45

of my imagination and that

4:48

I was just tired. And I guess seeing weird dots

4:50

in the sky was, like, simply a byproduct

4:52

of my mind telling me that I should go to bed. But

4:55

I went to bed that night. And I had

4:58

these horrific nightmares,

5:00

like waking up several times, sweaty

5:03

and each time it was preceded by a

5:06

bright flash. So

5:08

I can't even describe, you know, what

5:10

they look like. But I

5:12

do remember, like bulging

5:15

eyeballs. And like

5:17

beyond that, it's tough to visually remember their

5:19

shape, because there's nothing

5:21

I can recollect of even being taken.

5:24

But I remember

5:27

reaching out and touching them. And

5:30

maybe this is TMI. And let me

5:32

know if it is TMI. But when

5:35

I was younger, I had a bad case of eczema. And

5:38

so there was a patch where the

5:40

skin would just flake off. And beneath

5:42

the flaky skin, that's

5:44

what these creatures felt like. They were soft, and

5:47

they were almost scaly, but there were no scales.

5:50

And the skin of these creatures was

5:52

like that, except it was wet and

5:55

sort of sticky, almost as if

5:57

it was like dowsing a fruit jam. And

6:00

oh my god, the smell. Like

6:02

the smell was putrid. That's one

6:04

thing I really remember. And again, I

6:07

don't really mean to be graphic here. So stop

6:09

me if I'm being too graphic. But I

6:11

had a labradoodle when I was a kid, and she

6:14

had issues with her anal glands. And

6:16

that's what the smell was like. It

6:18

would emit this sort of black

6:21

liquid, and you'd have to squeeze the walls of her anus

6:23

to get it out. And this is

6:25

what it smelled like. It was like black licorice,

6:27

but it had sort of a

6:29

fishy pungent. That was at the same time

6:31

it was like sweet, like a

6:33

peach tare. And

6:35

so the flashes were

6:38

instant. Like there would

6:40

be a flash, and then I'd wake up and everything was

6:42

normal. So on the second day,

6:44

I told my dad that I couldn't sleep really

6:46

well. And I wasn't really in the mood to

6:48

ice fish with my dad.

6:50

But I knew that he wanted to be there. I knew that he

6:52

wanted to show me how to ice fish.

6:54

And then while we were

6:56

ice fishing, I saw the dots

6:58

in the sky again, a huge flash.

7:02

And boom, I was in bed again. And

7:04

so there's no way I was dreaming of going

7:07

ice fishing. Like that part, it

7:09

felt so real. And

7:11

so to this day, I don't know

7:13

what was a dream and what wasn't.

7:17

And I'm not

7:19

sure if anybody knows about northern lights,

7:21

so to speak. But what

7:23

I know of them is, it's charged particles

7:26

colliding with gases in the upper

7:28

atmosphere. It's beautiful, bright colors.

7:30

This usually happens year round. Well, that's what

7:32

they say. You know, I'm sorry to go

7:34

to your job, but that's what mainstream science

7:36

is. Nobody knows for sure what northern lights

7:38

are. Yeah,

7:40

I guess that's what science indicates that they

7:42

are. But here's the thing is that this

7:45

is something that exists. It's something that you can

7:47

see. Now, it's not something that you can see

7:50

all the time because you have to be in the right

7:52

space at the right time. It happens year round. But

7:55

typically, if you're lucky, you see

7:57

it once. And

7:59

over Over the course of this weekend, I saw it five times.

8:02

This was in 1998, so

8:05

I was 11, it was

8:07

in the summertime, and I

8:10

saw it five times. That's

8:12

not something that's normal, I don't think. The

8:16

creatures I remember never made any noise. I

8:20

just remembered these whirring motors

8:22

of an operating table, and

8:25

the tools were on

8:27

this swivel that

8:29

were being used. The

8:32

events of that weekend all

8:34

bled into a day, Marta. I

8:37

think we were just... Here's

8:40

the thing, I don't remember. We were supposed

8:42

to be there for four days, but

8:45

I don't remember the drive back. I

8:48

don't remember getting home. I

8:50

was just home. It

8:54

was very peculiar, but I'm almost

8:57

100% certain that it had to

9:00

have been in a production of some kind.

9:02

I was definitely taken. I don't remember being

9:04

taken, but at this point, I

9:06

had to have been. Interesting.

9:09

That's so interesting to hear. Typically, when

9:11

we hear of these abduction stories, we hear a

9:13

lot of physical

9:17

visual descriptions of the aliens.

9:19

I've never heard anyone describe

9:22

the smell of them in the way

9:24

that you've described. I know that that's

9:26

something that typically, when

9:28

we dream, typically, it's

9:30

a visual feedback, not necessarily

9:33

sensory feedback. It's really interesting to

9:35

hear you talk about that. I'm

9:40

curious to know, have these dreams come back

9:42

since you went through this experience in

9:44

1998? Or is it a

9:46

one-time thing? It was a one-time thing. It's

9:49

not something that repeated over time. It

9:52

was something that happened. I

9:54

have to apologize in advance

9:57

if my voice was getting a little bit... almost

10:00

exasperated but like it was it was

10:02

so strange just sort of even telling

10:04

this story right there I almost felt as if

10:06

my voice was sort of going because I

10:09

was it was so it was so vivid in my

10:11

mind so describing it was actually kind of Strange,

10:15

even though I've done it before but yeah

10:18

in terms of this dream It

10:21

would I'd have to say that

10:23

it only happened that weekend and and obviously

10:25

I'm 36 years old now So that was

10:27

a while ago 98 Yeah,

10:30

it hasn't happened since Yeah,

10:32

it's out. It certainly sounds like a very

10:34

disorienting Experience so it's

10:37

it's definitely understandable that you would you know

10:39

mentally go back there recounting the story Frenchie

10:42

I'm really curious to hear your take on

10:44

this. I Understand

10:47

that you've spent quite a bit of time studying

10:51

abductions and Presumably

10:53

speaking to you at abductees similar

10:55

to Ryan I'm I'd

10:57

love to hear kind of your take on

10:59

Ryan's story. Does this kind of match what

11:01

you've researched in your own work So

11:05

yeah, there's a lot to unpack here. So

11:07

first off Marta I just want to come

11:10

back to you because I appreciate what you're

11:12

doing, but you've introduced yourself as a skeptic,

11:14

right? Mm-hmm Yes, here's the thing. I

11:17

Respect everybody's point of view but at

11:19

the end of the day now, especially

11:22

Nowadays being skeptic about UFOs

11:25

extraterrestrials and EBE extraterrestrial

11:28

biological entities To

11:30

me it's you you've got to be blind.

11:32

Anyway, there's so much proof out there that

11:34

we're not alone and we've never been and

11:39

That's just the that story that I've just

11:41

heard is just another example of

11:43

it now Does it ring a bell to

11:45

me? Definitely when you mentioned the smell of

11:47

those Entities we

11:50

don't know if they were extraterrestrials, but those entities

11:52

that Apparently

11:55

adopted you I immediately thought

11:57

about the Virginia

12:00

story in Brazil that

12:02

happened in 95. It's some

12:04

people call it the Brazilian Roswell. And

12:06

what's awesome about that story is that contrary

12:09

to most abduction stories

12:11

like the Betty

12:13

Hill story, let me make sure

12:16

I get the name right because

12:19

yeah, Betty and Barney Hill story, which was the

12:21

very first abduction story

12:23

ever recorded when it

12:25

comes to the American field

12:27

in that

12:31

subject, the

12:35

Virginia story in Brazil, it

12:37

happened in 95 and all of the witnesses

12:40

are still alive. There's a great, great,

12:42

great documentary that actually came out a

12:45

few months ago called Moment of Contact.

12:47

And I invite you, especially you, Marta,

12:49

to watch that. And if you're still

12:52

skeptic after that documentary, yo, I don't

12:54

know what's wrong with you. Because at the end of the day, yo.

12:57

So I was going to ask Marta, I

13:00

was thinking to myself, I had no idea,

13:02

Marta, that you were a skeptic

13:04

of my story. In terms of

13:06

when you hear my story, what aspects of it do

13:08

you not believe? Exactly. I was going to

13:10

say the same thing. I will

13:12

say when I framed myself as a

13:15

skeptic, it was more around overall, we

13:17

hear a lot of alien abduction stories

13:20

that could potentially be explained as things

13:22

like sleep paralysis is a very common

13:24

explanation that we've seen. I personally do

13:27

believe in extraterrestrial life. I think that

13:29

statistically speaking, the universe is

13:31

too big and too unknown for there not to be

13:33

something out there. I think to

13:36

ultimately say there is

13:38

no extraterrestrial life is,

13:40

as you put it, Frenchie, you'd

13:42

have to be blind to believe

13:44

that. Yes, thank you. I think it's just

13:47

that there is

13:49

so much out there that does

13:51

not seem real. It seems

13:55

like it could be very easily explained as a dream

13:57

that to me, May

14:00

not be as realistic and

14:02

as grounded as reality that being said I do

14:05

see myself as sort of an open-minded skeptic I

14:08

am very happy to have my mind changed

14:10

And and I hope it wasn't implied that

14:12

I was skeptical of your story

14:14

Ryan because no does seem very Accurate

14:19

I really just want to learn more about

14:21

what happened Yeah,

14:23

I get that I think that

14:26

and you know, I'm definitely not in a place You

14:28

know to get offended by anybody's perspective But

14:30

I mean you brought it up yourself in

14:32

terms of many aspects of this universe not

14:34

even being explored I mean when you think

14:36

about the ocean only 10% of

14:38

it so far Has been

14:41

explored and you got these little creatures at the bottom

14:43

of the oceans that light up like, you know What

14:45

the fuck is that all about? Like how do they

14:47

have lights like if they can exist and how

14:50

is it possible that? Extra-terrestrials

14:54

don't exist. Well, yeah, well that

14:56

but Like and

14:58

Marta I truly truly appreciate you

15:01

Saying that you have an open mind because at the

15:03

end of the day if you don't have an open

15:05

mind There's no way you're gonna be able to welcome

15:07

new information. And here's the thing You

15:10

guys talked about how we know so much

15:12

about the universe. We know We

15:15

know almost nothing about reality anyway, because

15:17

when it comes to being just a

15:20

human being Most human

15:22

being lived their life through their

15:24

five senses reality, which is a

15:28

like a tiny tiny tiny

15:30

part of what actually goes on around

15:32

us and that

15:34

does the main thing with UFOs and

15:37

and extra-terrestrial is that because people expect

15:39

to be face to

15:41

face with a physical being that a I

15:43

can call a an

15:46

ET or like a non-human entity,

15:48

but sometimes things happen that are

15:50

completely out of our Physical

15:53

reality and I think that's what happened to

15:55

you man. Can you remind me your your

15:57

first name, please? Ryan,

15:59

right Okay, there you go, Ryan. Yeah,

16:02

that's part of what happened to you because you yourself,

16:04

you're not even able to say, was I dreaming? Was

16:06

that real? Yeah. Am I wrong here?

16:09

No, you're not wrong. And then also,

16:11

I have to say that it doesn't

16:13

help that you have all of these

16:15

videos online. It's always in

16:17

poor quality. Obviously, in 98, didn't have a cell phone

16:19

camera, didn't even have a digital camera with me. There's

16:22

no way for me to document what I

16:24

experienced. All I have is my

16:26

memory, my mind and what

16:29

my vivid memories were of that evening.

16:31

Have you ever tried hypnosis? Because

16:35

most abductees, they actually remember a lot

16:37

more when they go deep into hypnosis. I

16:40

haven't and I'm afraid to do it. I am

16:42

afraid that if I approach, first of

16:44

all, in terms of Marta being a skeptic,

16:46

I'm a skeptic of hypnosis. Of course, yeah.

16:48

I don't think it's possible. I don't think

16:51

it makes sense for it to happen

16:54

to me especially. And I also,

16:57

maybe a part of that is actually me

16:59

being afraid of what I'll find. If someone

17:01

hypnotizes me, I don't want to relive the

17:03

events of the evening. I

17:07

got a question if you remember. Did

17:10

you feel any physical scars

17:12

or physical side effect of

17:14

that abduction or was it

17:16

just purely an experience like

17:18

a mental and

17:22

maybe in a way spiritual experience? You have any

17:24

physical mark on your body or physically do you

17:26

feel anything when you woke up? No,

17:29

no. There was no physical imprint

17:31

of what happened. And I guess Marta,

17:33

that's not going to help

17:35

your perspective of being

17:37

a skeptic. No, there was no physical mark and I

17:40

also felt no physical pain either. So

17:42

there was no... Were you scared? Were

17:44

you scared? Well, yeah. I

17:46

woke up in the middle of the night just

17:49

drenched in sweat and I

17:51

think a part of it was just the fact that

17:54

my dad wouldn't believe me either. I would tell

17:56

him multiple times and be like, go back to bed

17:58

or just like, don't worry about It's

18:00

just lights in the sky. One

18:02

thing I realize over the years, especially

18:04

going into UFOs and abduction and even

18:07

the paranormal because sometimes actually it's not

18:09

the same thing. You need to realize

18:11

that sometimes it's not just extraterrestrial. It's

18:13

actually extra dimensional entities that

18:16

are here around us

18:18

and they've always been here. That's

18:21

also another thing that people have a hard time putting

18:23

their mind around is like, hey, what

18:25

we call ETs and UFOs, they've been

18:27

here on earth the whole time and

18:29

sometimes even before us. So that's one

18:31

thing you gotta keep in mind. But

18:34

the thing is... Wait, hold on, Frenchie, you think that

18:36

they're always around us? Is that what you're saying? You

18:38

think they live amongst us? Absolutely,

18:41

man. Bro, there, look, I'm

18:43

going to ask you a few questions that

18:45

have nothing to do with UFOs and

18:48

so on, but you'll see my point. Does

18:52

Wi-Fi exist? Wi-Fi?

18:55

Yeah. Yeah, it has to. Otherwise,

18:57

how would we be talking right now? Exactly,

19:00

but can you see it? Can

19:03

you see Wi-Fi? Just Wi-Fi, not

19:05

the translation of Wi-Fi on a

19:08

computer screen or in earphones on

19:10

your freaking phone

19:12

or MP3 player, whatever. Can

19:15

you actually see with your eyes Wi-Fi?

19:18

I mean, I can't. It's not tangible. Okay.

19:20

Can you smell it? No. Can

19:23

you touch it? No. Can

19:26

you taste it? No. Can

19:28

you hear just Wi-Fi signal? In

19:32

the 90s, there was something called dial-up, so I

19:34

guess back then. Yeah, but now

19:37

that's not what we're talking about, brother. So

19:39

can you actually hear? The answer is no.

19:41

But here's the thing. Does it exist? Yes.

19:44

Now, let's go back 200 years. Get

19:47

about 200, 500 years. Let's say you go

19:49

to the middle age, right? Try

19:51

to explain Wi-Fi to someone from the

19:53

middle age. You guys, is either going

19:56

to think you're crazy or is it going to burn you

19:58

to the stake because you say, oh, you're a freaking sorcerer

20:00

or you're a... a witch and they're gonna kill you. So

20:02

here's the thing, what we're sure

20:04

of today, you

20:06

never know what we're gonna think about that 50

20:09

years later down the line or 200

20:11

years in the future. So my point

20:13

is there's so much stuff that

20:16

exists around us. What

20:18

allows us to think that in those

20:21

field and range of frequencies,

20:23

there is no entity

20:25

living there. And

20:28

sometimes those entities either lower

20:30

the frequency or adapt the frequency

20:33

to actually appear in our physical reality. You

20:35

see my point? Yeah,

20:37

I mean, well, well, Frenchy, I mean, we're still living in that

20:40

era of people not believing you. And

20:42

there's even more evidence in terms

20:44

of when you watch

20:46

videos online, and especially with the

20:48

advent of VFX, visual effects, people

20:51

debunking actual videos of that happening.

20:53

No, no, no, no, no, right. So I'm

20:55

sorry, but they're not anymore. Like

20:57

you could say that maybe let's say 15, 20 years ago, but

21:00

not anymore. For now, it's, well, it's

21:02

officially, it's recent, but it's officially recognized

21:04

by the US government, even though the

21:06

Mexican government, like they've said in Congress,

21:08

like under oath, that means that if

21:10

you lie under oath, you go to

21:12

jail. You might even be like, I'm

21:14

not even sure with American laws, I'm

21:16

French, right? But you might even go

21:18

like, is that the death penalty? You

21:21

guys know if you lie under oath of

21:23

Congress? No, not these days. Well,

21:26

okay, but anyway, for sure it's a prison time.

21:28

So anyway, over the summer, I

21:30

think it was in July. Yeah, July, I think. They

21:33

had those whistleblowers in front of Congress, basically

21:35

saying, yeah, the US government have UFOs. They've

21:37

had that for decades, they've been studying them,

21:40

and some of them, they don't come from

21:42

planet Earth. That was one point. Then a

21:44

few months later, they had the Mexican, like

21:48

some, no, it wasn't Mexican, I

21:50

think it was Peruvian, but some scientists presenting in

21:52

front of the Mexican, Congress,

21:55

mummies, well supposedly mummies of

21:57

eaties, that

21:59

they... found in Peru in 2017,

22:02

I think. And yeah, so

22:05

all those things happen in front of politicians

22:07

again under oath, like it now it's official,

22:10

you can't say now, I don't

22:12

believe what you're allowed to for sure.

22:14

But if, if we stick,

22:17

and if we stay in the

22:19

matrix and in the mainstream narrative,

22:23

now even the mainstream narrative officially

22:25

recognize that UFO exists, extraterrestrial

22:27

exists, and we've seen mummies of them on

22:29

TV and in front of politicians.

22:32

So I'm sorry, I

22:34

guess, I'm on your side. I'm the

22:37

one who experienced it. I mean, exactly,

22:39

exactly. I just think it's very, very

22:41

tough for someone to have experienced it

22:43

also to have conversations with people who

22:45

are like Marta, or even if they're

22:47

open ended, they are skeptics. And so

22:49

I'm not I'm not denying that that

22:51

they exist, because I'm, I'm the one

22:54

who experienced it. I have

22:56

had conversations with people that

22:58

debunk certain videos that

23:00

are uploaded online. And then even if you

23:02

open the comment section, it's all

23:04

it's all skepticism. It's all okay, it's CGI or

23:06

it's AI or something that is not never read

23:09

the comments online. That's the number one rule, especially

23:11

if you have an open mind, because it's their

23:13

bots or it's their trolls. Like I never read

23:15

the comments online, because at the end of the

23:18

day, you know what really matters is you and

23:20

your own opinion. And you got it said for

23:22

you, Marta, with all due respect, like, again, it's

23:24

awesome to have an open mind. But here's the

23:27

thing, like I was like you, like

23:29

what, five, maybe even 10 years ago, I was just

23:31

like you, I was like, I don't really

23:33

believe that. But I'm open and stuff. But

23:36

hey, the deeper you go into that, the

23:38

more research you do, the more testimony you

23:40

listen, the more, basically, the

23:42

more you're going to go deep into the

23:44

rabbit hole. And here's the thing, to

23:47

me, and Ryan's story is

23:49

a perfect example of that. My rule

23:51

of thumb when it comes to people

23:54

calling, you know, whatever conspiracy theories, which

23:56

I hate that term anyway,

23:58

because all those conspiracy theories

24:00

now turn to be true anyway with time. But

24:03

what my rule of thumb is, if I hear

24:06

something once, I don't really believe

24:08

it. I keep it in my head, but I'm like, yeah, whatever.

24:10

I hear something twice, like,

24:12

and by say twice, I mean, from two

24:14

different people, two different whistle blower, two different

24:17

witnesses, two different documentaries, interviews,

24:20

books, books are very important

24:22

too. Then I'm like, okay,

24:25

interesting. I'll definitely keep that

24:27

in mind. And then if I hear

24:29

it three, four or five times, like

24:31

several different times from different people from

24:33

different countries, different time, different, again, backgrounds.

24:36

Now to me, that story has

24:39

legs. And that story definitely deserves attention.

24:41

And Ryan's story is the perfect example.

24:43

Because then again, I'm, I'm

24:45

pointing you guys to that moment of

24:48

contact, that documentary about the Virginia, the

24:50

Brazilian Roswell, it's exactly the same stuff.

24:52

Like, well, it's not an abduction story.

24:55

Basically, long story short, 95 for

24:57

the month, UFO

25:00

crashed in Virginia, it's a

25:02

town in Brazil. The military

25:06

completely locked down the whole

25:08

city. Crazy story

25:10

locked out the whole city in

25:12

terms of that UFO. Then, like,

25:14

I think the

25:16

following day, some, some

25:19

of the inhabitants of the town started seeing

25:21

a weird creature, an animal running

25:23

loose in the city. And that

25:27

creature, some, there's three girls that actually saw

25:29

the creature and they made a drawing of

25:31

it. And they saw the, I was actually

25:33

gonna ask you, do you remember the color?

25:36

Your, your, the entity that abducted you, their

25:38

color, the color of the skin, the color

25:40

of their eyes? Not really, because all of

25:42

this is so, like, it's not very fresh

25:44

in my memory, I would say, if anything,

25:47

it was sort of like a bluish teal.

25:50

But like, yeah, it was in the craft, right? Yeah,

25:53

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But

25:57

I'm not sure whether that was a byproduct of my dream or not.

25:59

Like, that's a is like I don't know

26:01

what was real, what wasn't, you know?

26:03

Gotcha. But anyway, one

26:05

of the biggest points of that Virginia

26:07

story in Brazil is that the

26:10

smell of those beings, like,

26:12

like they took one of the body because

26:14

they actually found one dead, they took one

26:16

of the body to the local hospital to

26:19

do some x-rays and stuff. They basically said

26:21

that the smell was so strong, it took

26:23

them weeks to get the smell out of

26:25

the building. And they tried everything. They tried

26:27

to clean, they tried the freaking like bleach,

26:30

everything, and nothing could make it go away.

26:32

And I'm actually surprised. Like

26:35

I gotta be honest, bro. I'm actually surprised

26:37

you were, well, at least in your dream,

26:39

able to touch one because in that same

26:41

Virginia story, the Brazilian

26:44

Roswell, one of the

26:46

police officers actually captured a

26:49

living one, uh,

26:51

died within two weeks of a mysterious disease

26:53

that they never found what happened. He had

26:55

physical contact with the creature because he had

26:57

to grab it to put it in their

27:00

car. And the guy died

27:02

like within two weeks. And

27:04

again, the family

27:06

of that officer is still alive and they

27:08

refuse to, to give testimony. That whole story

27:10

is so weird. Again, to me, it's like

27:12

one of the best stories

27:15

that I point skeptic towards. And I'm like,

27:17

Hey, okay, watch this and tell me if

27:19

he's still not believe, but if he doesn't

27:21

ring a bell to you. Well,

27:23

I mean, it's fascinating when I, you

27:26

know, I can't even describe like the

27:28

touch specifically because I don't know whether

27:30

it was real or not. I think

27:32

it was real, but in terms of

27:34

reaching out, it was almost, if

27:37

I can recall, it's almost as if

27:39

I was touching a halo. Great,

27:44

great fucking point, brother, because sometimes

27:46

those abductions actually not physical, they're

27:48

actually made through like some weird,

27:50

all graphic technology because especially now,

27:52

like with the progress of science,

27:55

and that's a whole other topic,

27:58

um, the progress of science out. They

28:00

actually admitted that there's

28:02

a way to do 3D

28:04

holographic images, not images,

28:06

but basically like holograms that you can

28:09

actually touch. So that's definitely

28:11

possible that abduction was definitely

28:14

in a way like

28:16

a mental experience for you, but

28:19

projected through some kind of holographic technology, man,

28:21

you never know. That's a great thing about

28:23

that, because the more you think, you know,

28:25

the less you realize that, wow, my mind

28:28

is completely blown away by that. I

28:56

think that's a really interesting point, Frenchie, in terms

28:58

of the, you know, the

29:01

use of technology to kind of generate these physical experiences. And

29:06

I kind of want to

29:08

pivot towards talking about that,

29:10

you know, the technology being used, and

29:13

even, you know, the technology on the

29:16

ships themselves. Ryan, I was wondering, you know, you've described

29:18

quite a bit about the physicality of

29:22

the creatures. Do you remember anything about the actual surroundings

29:24

that you were in? I

29:27

don't remember, you know, as I mentioned, I don't remember

29:29

being taken. And

29:32

so, you know, anything that

29:34

you've ever watched in media or on

29:36

television, or

29:38

the way that aliens or extraterrestrials are portrayed on

29:40

TV is like a ship will sort of spin

29:46

something in the middle, and then,

29:48

you know, you hover and you're sucked into the

29:50

sky. None of that, none of that

29:52

is something that I can recall happening. It

29:55

was almost as if the world was a little bit different.

30:00

It was like by the snap of a finger, I was

30:03

either at camp or I was

30:06

inside their so-called ship if that's

30:08

even what it is or what

30:10

it was. And so I

30:12

don't remember being sucked in. You're not even

30:14

sure it was a ship anyway. It might

30:16

have been underground for, you know. That's

30:21

exactly right. Yeah. Interesting.

30:24

I have no idea. That's what I mean when I

30:26

say, that's what I mean when I say you gotta

30:28

keep an open mind because people think it

30:31

is abduction UFO. Well, hey,

30:33

brother, maybe you're just deep underground in a

30:35

one of those deep underground military base that

30:37

we call DUMBS. But that's

30:40

it. Like nobody really knows for sure. But that's

30:42

the beauty of it is that anyone that says,

30:44

I know it's 99% that is a B,

30:46

it's all

30:50

BS. And

30:52

sometimes also the time government BS, but I don't

30:55

really want to get into that because then yeah,

30:57

might go. The whole other. Yeah,

31:00

it's all exactly. Yeah. Um,

31:02

Frenchie, it's, I'm curious to ask you,

31:04

um, you know, you've mentioned the idea

31:06

that, you know, these could take place

31:09

underground. You also mentioned earlier, the idea

31:11

that these, these beings have been

31:13

on earth with us this entire

31:15

time. Um, how

31:18

do you think they've accomplished that? Is there

31:21

some sort of, you know, like camouflaging or

31:23

cloaking technology being used or, or is

31:26

it just, we don't know what to look for? Well,

31:30

it's a mixture of, we don't know what

31:33

to look for, but also that there's so

31:35

much possibilities like, look, um, clocking

31:38

technology is definitely a way. Now if

31:40

you ask for my deep, I'm not, I'm

31:42

not going to say personal opinion, but let's

31:45

say the, the, the opinion that I formed

31:48

reading, researching, watching, learning about that

31:50

stuff for the past 10 years.

31:54

Uh, my opinion is that I

31:57

know it's going to sound cliche, but we. are

32:00

the aliens simply

32:02

because, and even if you

32:04

listen to something I hate, which

32:07

you call mainstream science, they

32:09

themselves say that we have no idea

32:11

how Homo sapiens came to life. Because

32:13

if you look at the official

32:15

narrative of evolution, even the scientists,

32:17

so-called scientists, they're gonna say, well,

32:19

in 10,000 years, we don't know

32:21

how we went from, I think,

32:23

it's Homo erectus to Homo sapiens.

32:26

It just happened. In the back of

32:28

an eye, boom, we suddenly grew

32:31

to be super smart and learn to use tools

32:33

and stuff. But just that to me is a

32:35

huge red flag. It's like, wait, you

32:37

want me to believe that? Well, yeah, you're

32:39

teaching me that in school. So you're

32:41

basically installing a software in my brain

32:43

that makes me think that, okay, that's

32:46

the version and nothing is allowed outside

32:48

of that. But at the end of

32:50

the day, sometimes, I don't know who

32:52

said that, but the most simple explanation

32:54

is usually the best. And to me,

32:56

it's like this genetic manipulation. Because

32:58

we do it nowadays. So what

33:00

makes us, what allows us not

33:02

to think that higher,

33:05

more intelligent species came

33:07

to Earth and started

33:09

to genetically alter whatever

33:12

was here before. So let's say Homo

33:14

erectus, and they made us smarter

33:16

and just now let us evolve.

33:18

So and that's to go back to

33:21

your questions. Are they still

33:23

here? And why are we not seeing them? Well,

33:25

look, if you're doing an experience, like if you're

33:27

creating life, let's put it that way. And you

33:29

want to see all how that life that you

33:31

created evolve, are you going to be around and

33:33

be like, Hey, I'm watching you, I'm watching you,

33:35

I'm watching you? No, you're just going to stand

33:37

outside and not interfere because you actually want to

33:39

see how your creation is going to evolve. And

33:42

personal opinion, I think that's the

33:44

case. I think we're gigantic biological

33:46

experience in that awesome, beautiful

33:49

laboratory that we call Earth.

33:51

And that's it. So if we're

33:53

all aliens, then what's the purpose

33:56

of them taking taking

34:00

one of their own to do further.

34:03

Well, you know, the next version, but why? Easy,

34:06

like do you sometimes go like, how

34:09

do you say in English? Like

34:11

take a blood, you do blood tests, right?

34:13

You go to the doctor sometimes to check

34:15

what's wrong with you or what's wrong, if

34:17

everything goes fine. Well, here's the same thing.

34:19

Like I think there's so many

34:22

species and not necessarily it is like

34:25

extra dimensional entities that have

34:27

tinkered with the human, what we call the human DNA.

34:30

Just keep in mind the human DNA, we're only using

34:32

like what 10% of it. Everything

34:34

else is a junk DNA, but

34:37

it's not junk DNA, it's just DNA that

34:40

they don't want us to completely use because

34:42

then we'll be anything but human. But anyway,

34:44

all this to say that they

34:46

just come and check on the experience, on

34:49

the experience and on the guinea pig. And again,

34:51

I'm not saying that in a bad way. That's

34:54

the thing, here's the thing. No, it could be

34:56

positive. Like they might just- Exactly, exactly. Exactly, right?

34:59

Exactly, exactly. And at the end of the day- Give

35:01

you a point of evolution. That

35:05

for sure, but like I was asking you

35:07

if you had any physical markings or pain

35:09

and stuff and you said, no, and here's

35:11

the thing. There's something in

35:13

our brain called the reptilian brain

35:15

that actually wasn't there before. It's

35:17

appeared out of nowhere. And that

35:19

reptilian brain is responsible for the

35:21

fight or flee reaction

35:23

in human beings. And

35:26

it's also responsible for basically

35:28

being, to make it really simple,

35:30

basically being scared of anything that

35:32

doesn't look natural. And

35:34

that's, again, that's what happened to you. Like, again,

35:37

you've been adopted and first reaction is like, Oh

35:39

my God, what's happening? What's happening? What's happening? And

35:41

what's happening in a, I was gonna say maybe,

35:44

stop me if I'm wrong, but in

35:46

a fearful way, right? You were scared.

35:48

So what's your explanation? Because coming on

35:50

this podcast, I've told the story only

35:52

a handful of times. I want to

35:54

get from you in terms of

35:57

what your perspective is on my experience

35:59

and my. situation? Why do you

36:01

think in my situation

36:03

that I can't remember being taken? Why

36:06

would that be? Like

36:08

why you don't remember everything in perfect detail?

36:11

Yeah, why do I not remember it? Okay, well,

36:13

first off, let me put that out. I'm not

36:15

an expert. Like I don't consider myself an expert.

36:17

I'm passionate about that. But whatever

36:20

I'm telling you is not going to be the truth. Right?

36:22

I just want to make that fair. We're on the same

36:24

page, right? Yeah,

36:26

yeah. I mean, I was just

36:28

looking to see whether you have any, you

36:31

know, I have an opinion, but it's not

36:33

going to be the truth.

36:35

Right? Because again, I wasn't in your

36:37

shoes. I wasn't there. And I

36:39

can only give you my feeling about that. So my feeling

36:41

would be number one, maybe

36:43

you were not supposed to remember stuff. And

36:46

maybe something happened in there, the way

36:48

they, sorry to say that, but

36:50

they it's the way they operated on you, something

36:52

went wrong. And now you remember parts of it.

36:55

Maybe you weren't. And they were

36:57

completely flipping the coin. Maybe you

36:59

were supposed to remember. And you're

37:02

present here in on that podcast.

37:04

And again, with that whole thing

37:06

that the reason we're all here

37:08

is of what's happening to

37:10

Noah and Sarah right now under

37:12

the Denver Airport. So they say

37:14

it's again, it's maybe that's the

37:16

part of the whole the

37:20

whole process of disclosure, wished

37:22

by some of those races,

37:24

wished by some of those extraterrestrials that

37:26

want to actually to come out to

37:28

the public. But they have to do

37:31

it in a very not subtle way,

37:33

but they have to do it in

37:35

a gradual way. Because brother, if they

37:37

decide to just show up on the

37:39

lawn of the White House or above

37:41

the Ethel Tower in Paris, you're bro,

37:43

that's going to be mass

37:45

panic. And bro, like if you think

37:47

riots are bad, like, that's definitely

37:49

not the best way to go. So I

37:51

don't know, man, like, again, it's either you weren't

37:53

supposed to remember, or maybe you were supposed to

37:56

remember to be a spokesperson for all the people

37:58

that gets adopted. And I don't know. bring your

38:00

piece to the puzzle. What do you think? How do you feel

38:02

about that? I mean, I'm starting to think that you were the

38:04

one who abducted me, Frenchie. No,

38:08

man, excuse me, I'd remember. And if I

38:10

was, man, bro, I'd be all over the

38:12

news telling people that, hey, we're not alone,

38:14

we've never been and don't listen to

38:16

the government because if you hear it on TV, it's

38:18

usually bullshit. So actually I wouldn't be on TV tonight.

38:21

And so, you know, you speak of television,

38:23

you speak of, you have some TV, media,

38:25

the way it's portrayed in movies. Why

38:28

you think, and maybe Marta, you

38:30

can sort of shed light on this as well, but

38:32

why is it that there's been sort of

38:34

this perspective on shape-shifting,

38:37

like the need to shape-shift into

38:39

humans if, as Frenchie

38:41

was saying, you know, they're already amongst us

38:43

in human form? Yeah,

38:45

it's an interesting concept and you're right, it

38:47

is portrayed in a lot of science fiction,

38:51

as well as, you know, like what Frenchie

38:54

was saying in terms of, you know, the genetic

38:56

manipulation perhaps we

38:58

are the product of these aliens, we

39:01

see that in movies like Prometheus or

39:03

even in Star Trek, they discuss having these,

39:05

you know, this one single race of

39:07

humanoid aliens who

39:09

have gone and spread their seeds,

39:11

for lack of a better term, across the universe.

39:17

I think that the theory of, you

39:20

know, trying to

39:22

create something that is like us so that

39:24

we don't have that fight-or-flight response to

39:27

me makes sense because if you are trying

39:30

to learn about

39:32

a culture, if you are trying to

39:34

immerse yourself in that culture, you can't

39:36

really be an outsider because all of

39:40

your interactions are going

39:42

to be from the perspective of people seeing you

39:45

as an outsider. You kind of have to be

39:47

integrated completely and I think that's where

39:49

shape-shifting comes into play in

39:52

terms of, you know, just trying

39:54

to fit in, really. Right, right.

39:57

Yeah. Yeah, and I guess like...

40:00

Like one of the other things that leads me to,

40:02

in terms of question, is the idea of the uncanny

40:04

valley. You know,

40:06

just a lot of times, at least in the media,

40:08

we see depictions of shape-shifting that aren't quite there, you

40:10

know? It's kind of human, but the mouth is

40:12

off, or the arms are a bit too long. And

40:16

I'm wondering, Frenchie, in your

40:18

research, have you kind of

40:20

come across any explanation for why we

40:22

fear these things that are almost human?

40:26

Well, there's definitely, okay,

40:29

first off, there's definitely something I

40:31

want to do, because in my

40:33

research, quotation mark, I've

40:36

come across, funny story that I'm

40:39

gonna share with you. Many whistleblowers have

40:41

always said that one of the biggest

40:43

hub when it comes to deep underground

40:46

military bases and ET

40:48

abduction is around the Las

40:50

Vegas area. And many

40:52

have said that whenever you go to

40:54

Vegas, have strong

40:57

thought in your head of

41:01

saying loud in your head,

41:03

telepathically. If there is an

41:06

alien around me, show yourself, and keep

41:08

repeating that over and over and over

41:10

again. And if, and it's not

41:12

if, usually if you do that

41:14

in Vegas, you're definitely gonna have an experience.

41:17

So that's one of my goal in my

41:19

life. Next time I'm in Vegas, I'm gonna

41:21

be thinking that so

41:23

loud that hopefully I, hopefully

41:26

make contact, or have

41:28

an experience. I've had friends, I'm not gonna

41:30

say who they are, but. Is that the

41:32

alien version of Candyman? Like when

41:35

you repeat Candyman three times and come

41:37

down? Sorry,

41:39

brother, I haven't watched that movie, so I

41:42

can't really say. That is what

41:44

it sounds like to me, though, yeah. Well,

41:46

I'm definitely gonna watch that movie, because as

41:49

I was listening to you guys talking about movies

41:51

and stuff, what I love doing is watching

41:53

movies, and because in some of them, it's actually

41:56

disclosure, but hidden

41:58

in the, under the. the

42:00

day of science fiction and entertainment and

42:03

stuff. Because what

42:05

so you mentioned about you, Martha, you

42:07

mentioned the shape shifting and why

42:09

we're scared of them. And so that actually

42:11

reminded me because, again,

42:14

no disrespect to you two guys, but

42:16

yours, you're thinking,

42:18

okay, those entities

42:20

are not human, but they're hiding

42:22

under a human mask. Again,

42:26

it's, it's too simplistic

42:28

to think this way. There's, there's,

42:32

like, dozens of ways that

42:34

they can be around us. And we

42:36

don't even notice them. They can be

42:39

invisible, or they can be like, not

42:41

in the spectrum of visible light. And

42:43

like, hearing you guys

42:46

talk about that reminded me of a movie that

42:48

again, I'm inviting you to watch. I

42:51

found it the other day, I can't remember if it

42:53

was on Amazon Prime or it wasn't

42:55

Netflix might have been Amazon Prime or

42:58

Disney Plus, maybe who knows. Anyway, so

43:01

in French, it's called La Mutante. And

43:03

it's English. It's from it's a 95 1995

43:07

movie called species. Oh, yeah.

43:09

In America. Yo, that movie is

43:11

freaking great. It's like, you remember

43:13

that movie in Martha? I do.

43:16

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the whole story, the

43:18

whole synopsis is like, to me, to

43:21

me, and from again, everything I've read

43:23

and research is like, it's full disclosure.

43:26

I've seen the movie, Ryan. Yeah,

43:28

I mean, if all aliens looked like Natasha

43:30

Hinstridge, though, well, yeah, well, but yeah, but

43:33

we have a brother that the entertainment part

43:35

that they want you to focus about like,

43:37

I'm focusing on the actual story,

43:39

the story is well, I want to know

43:42

what you know, why is it that my

43:44

experience is so affiliated so closely affiliated to

43:48

what is being portrayed in film and television? How

43:50

do they know? Yeah, it's,

43:52

it's interesting. It's really interesting to

43:54

me, Frenchie, that you specifically raised

43:56

the movie species because yeah, what

44:00

When we think about other, you

44:02

know, creatures that have showed up in Escaping Denver,

44:04

the Chupacabra, for

44:06

example, one of the

44:08

earliest reported eyewitness accounts of

44:10

a Chupacabra was given by a woman

44:12

who, the description

44:15

that she gave was identical

44:17

to the aliens from species, which

44:19

she had just seen in theaters.

44:22

So I think from a skeptics

44:24

perspective, if I'm putting that hat

44:26

on, does

44:30

the media that we are seeing, the science fiction

44:32

media that we are seeing kind of influence what

44:35

we are, what

44:38

abductees are reporting? For example, you

44:40

know, Ryan, did you believe in

44:42

aliens before this happened? I

44:44

mean, I was 11, so I mean, everything

44:47

terrified me. I believed in everything. Like I

44:49

believed in ghosts. I mean, as I grow

44:51

older, I mean, I definitely

44:53

am very skeptic of ghosts.

44:55

But I think that when it comes to

44:58

aliens, again, as you mentioned earlier, Marta, there's

45:00

no reason to believe that they don't exist.

45:04

But had you had you potentially, you

45:06

know, watched any

45:09

alien movies before that, that time?

45:12

I know it's hard to recall what movies you watched. I mean,

45:14

I watched E.T. and movies like that. But

45:21

as I grow older, I think what

45:23

terrifies me more than watching fiction or

45:25

work is documentaries. And obviously,

45:27

French you mentioned documentaries. I find

45:29

documentaries to be even more terrifying

45:31

because they're accounts from real people,

45:33

so-called real people. I think they're

45:36

not actors that have

45:38

very similar experiences to mine. And

45:40

so it's, I think

45:42

it's fascinating. And I

45:44

think that's really, as much of it is portrayed in

45:46

fiction work, I think the scariest

45:50

thing is that people have had experiences very

45:52

similar, like the one that I've had. But

45:57

they're being told from the perspective of a real

45:59

person. Mark,

46:02

to come back to your

46:05

question, again, no disrespect. Again,

46:07

I accept and appreciate

46:09

you being here, but the

46:11

way you phrased your question and basically what

46:13

you were implying, whether you think it or

46:16

not, that's exactly what the ... Well, let's

46:18

say I'm going to use that term even

46:20

though I hate it. That's what the Matrix

46:22

wants you to think. You

46:25

basically said, okay, someone watches a

46:27

movie and then by

46:29

some mental subconscious

46:32

process is going to translate what he's seen

46:34

in the movie into what happened to

46:36

him. I say that's

46:39

it. That's the other way around. Whatever

46:41

they put in the movies is

46:43

done so, so that when someone

46:46

actually has a real experience,

46:49

people around that person hearing about

46:51

it think it's bullshit. If

46:54

you see where I'm coming from. Yeah, so

46:56

it goes really deep. This is embedded

46:59

within mainstream media that they are putting

47:01

these images. Absolutely, because

47:03

at the end of the day, again,

47:05

I'm going back to the scientific experiments.

47:08

If we're just a gigantic experience by

47:11

a higher, more intelligent species,

47:13

they're going to want to

47:15

protect, again, the illusion, the

47:17

matrix, the bubble around the

47:19

experience. They're going to have

47:22

specific way of controlling

47:24

the population. Whether it's

47:26

politics, banking system, entertainment,

47:30

Hollywood, all that, all that is

47:32

just a gigantic part to prevent

47:34

the lab rats to get out

47:37

of the maze. Basically

47:39

that's the best way to sum it up. Okay,

47:43

that's really, really

47:45

interesting to hear. I

47:50

do have a question related to the fact

47:52

that these creatures have created us, for lack

47:58

of a better term. And

48:00

I'm wondering, why do you

48:03

think you were chosen for

48:05

an abduction? Why

48:08

11-year-old Ryan? That's a good question. I'd love

48:10

to hear that answer. That is a good

48:12

question. I mean, I only have theories. I

48:15

guess I was a young, impressionable kid, but I

48:17

don't see myself

48:19

as a very special person in that

48:22

way. And so to answer that question,

48:24

I have no idea. Because

48:26

it wasn't like I was particularly intelligent

48:28

in any field. I wasn't like, you

48:31

know, first in my class of anything. I was

48:33

just sort of like a loner

48:35

kid that just hung out on

48:38

my own. So I actually, you know, this is

48:41

baffling me as no one's ever asked me

48:43

that. That's very, very interesting. Can

48:45

I ask you something, Ryan? What's

48:50

your family background? Like, again, I'm not going to

48:52

ask if you're rich or anything, but you'll

48:55

see where I'm going with that. But is

48:57

there anything special about your family? Like, I'm

48:59

not going to ask. My family

49:02

is dysfunctional because obviously, you

49:04

know, my mom separated from my dad early

49:06

on when I was like eight or

49:08

nine. And

49:11

so it's

49:13

been very, very dysfunctional in the sense that

49:15

my dad's gone now. And so... Yeah.

49:19

Well, the reason I'm asking that, because again, seeing

49:22

what's happening supposedly

49:24

under Denver to Noah and

49:26

Sarah is sometimes, you know,

49:28

when some people have specific

49:31

genetics, they

49:34

tend to be more susceptible to

49:36

being abducted or tested on simply

49:38

because their bloodline

49:42

is special or they have something in

49:44

their DNA that makes them more interesting

49:46

to people. So whether that's the case

49:49

for you, Ryan, or that's the case

49:51

for Noah and Sarah, that

49:54

would be definitely something to dig and

49:56

to study because... Well,

50:00

it's interesting. Do special people know that

50:02

they're special? I guess that's another perspective.

50:04

Exactly. In that sense, because

50:07

I feel like, you know, when I, you know,

50:09

look at what I do now, I'm a

50:11

normal middle, not

50:14

middle age, I guess, like 36 year old

50:16

guy just doing what I do. But like, I

50:18

don't, I don't feel more special

50:20

than anyone else. Yeah, I

50:22

guess as a counterpoint to that idea. If

50:26

you were performing an

50:28

experiment, a mass experiment that's, you

50:30

know, across billions of people, wouldn't

50:32

you want to have the average as

50:35

the baseline? Wouldn't you necessarily not want

50:37

the special one? Would you want just

50:39

a normal person? Well, that's

50:41

a good question. But at the end of

50:44

the day, again, if you're running an experience

50:46

on billions of people, a dole was eight,

50:49

seven or eight billions of people all

50:51

came from one individual to start with,

50:54

right? True. Do

50:57

we agree on that? Like the origin

50:59

at the end of the day, again,

51:01

if you start an experiment, there's always

51:03

that original creation. So technically, I'm

51:06

saying we were all

51:08

special. That's the thing. Some

51:10

more than others, definitely. But we're all special.

51:13

We all have it in us. So again,

51:15

that's, again, that's the thing. Like, there's,

51:19

I'm sure, personal opinions, I'm sure

51:22

there's thousands and thousands of people

51:24

that get adopted every year,

51:26

every day. They just don't remember it.

51:29

But, but Frenchie, you mentioned genetics and people

51:31

who are intellectually superior to others.

51:34

And so do you think, in your opinion,

51:36

that every smart person, I mean, I'm, I

51:38

would say that I'm average

51:40

in terms of how intelligent I am. And I

51:43

did well enough in school, but it wasn't like,

51:45

you know, you know, full,

51:47

full A's or whatever. But

51:49

like, in your opinion,

51:53

pretty much are all the hyper intellectual

51:55

people in this world? Like, can

51:58

we just assume that they're aliens, I guess? Now,

52:00

well, again, if that's

52:02

how you understood what I was saying, maybe

52:05

I didn't phrase it the right way. Again,

52:07

English is not my native language, right? I

52:11

didn't imply special bloodlines,

52:13

special genetics, special families,

52:15

as in they're more

52:17

intelligent. I was just

52:19

implying about, again, their specific genetics

52:21

and, okay, long story short, again,

52:24

that's actually a good point because

52:26

recently they, like the voice message

52:28

from Noah started to mention Nibiru.

52:31

Are you guys aware of the

52:33

whole Nibiru and Anunnaki stories? Like

52:35

where it comes from? Yeah. Yeah.

52:39

It's the theory that there's a secret,

52:41

you know, ninth or theorized

52:43

ninth planet. No, technically it's

52:45

twelfth planet. Twelfth, oh yeah, excuse me.

52:47

Yeah. Okay. It's

52:50

again, it's from the Kara Zitchen, middle of the nineties.

52:52

Again, it's a whole story. Like we could

52:54

do a whole podcast about that, but long

52:57

story short, the Kara Zitchen, which I

52:59

think it was, how is your Eastern

53:01

Europe or German? Or anyway, he

53:04

translated the Sumerian or so

53:06

they say it, he translated

53:09

the Sumerian tablets. Maybe

53:11

it was just the front, front

53:14

man for the message that the, the

53:16

matrix wanted to put out to the

53:18

people. But again, that's another topic. But

53:20

anyway, the Kara Zitchen so

53:22

translated those Sumerian tablets. And in one

53:25

of those, I think was Enuma Elish,

53:27

I think there's again, there's so much

53:29

information in my brain. In

53:32

one of those tablets, they basically explained

53:34

how humanity was created by a race

53:37

of people coming from the sky, the

53:39

Anunnaki, which technically means in ancient Sumerian,

53:41

if I'm not mistaken, Anunnaki

53:44

those who from even came to

53:46

earth. And

53:48

so they came on earth because they needed

53:50

gold to they need to mine gold to

53:52

save their own planet. Nibiru because the atmosphere

53:55

was f up over there and they needed

53:57

mono atomic gold to save their

53:59

planet. and they started mining

54:01

gold on Earth and it became too

54:04

hard for them. So they started to

54:06

revolt against their kingship. And so one

54:08

of the scientists there called Enki, which

54:11

was one of the sons of Anu,

54:13

which was the head master of

54:15

the Anunnaki, be like, hey, you know

54:18

what? Let me study and try to

54:20

create a race slave so we don't

54:22

have to do the work. And that's

54:24

it. So they found some semi-intelligent

54:27

monkeys on Earth and they mixed their

54:29

DNA with them to make them smarter,

54:31

smart enough to be able to use

54:33

tools and mine gold for them, but

54:35

not smart enough to revolt and understand

54:37

that, hey, we're

54:40

smarter and stronger than what we are. So

54:42

again, that's the whole story of the whole

54:45

Anunnaki stuff. And I don't

54:47

even know why I was saying that. Where were we before that?

54:51

We were talking about the average

54:54

intelligence. Yeah, there we go.

54:56

So yeah. The idea of bloodlines. Awesome. Thank

54:58

you very much, Partalia. Again, sorry, my brain

55:00

is sometimes going every direction. Totally fair. I

55:04

was going to say it's a nightmare. Definitely not like the kind

55:06

of nightmare you had, right? And I'm not saying it was one.

55:09

Yeah, seriously. It seems like you're...

55:13

I mean, you seem like a hyper-intelligent

55:15

person to me. I

55:18

don't know if I'm hyper-intelligent, but my brain is

55:20

like a hard drive. I just record information and

55:22

I just open the folder when I need it.

55:24

But anyway, all this to say that again, to

55:26

finish on the bloodline stuff. Well, basically, some

55:29

of the first creations of those Anunnaki

55:31

that came on Earth, like again, they...

55:34

again, but that again, we can go

55:36

now into religion. The first being

55:38

that they created what's called the Adamu, which

55:40

was the first whatever,

55:43

first slave. And

55:45

again, Adamu makes you think

55:47

of Adam, the first man that you

55:49

find in the Bible. Again, all that is related.

55:52

Again, you take the Bible, it's exactly the same

55:54

story that you find in the Samarian tablet, just

55:56

the name changes and it's

55:58

a complete joke. But anyway, all this

56:01

to say that those

56:03

first creations, the Adamud that were direct

56:05

in a way, direct

56:08

descendant of those gods

56:10

coming from heaven, because

56:12

again, if you look at all the mythologies around

56:14

the world, what are the gods? Oh, the higher

56:16

being that came from the sky. What

56:19

the hell does that tell you? To

56:21

me, if that doesn't stream ETs, UFOs,

56:24

what else does? So anyway,

56:27

those first creations were direct

56:29

descendants from the

56:32

gods coming from the sky. And

56:35

those descendants created bloodlines

56:37

that throughout history managed

56:40

through secret societies and

56:42

again, way of operating in the

56:45

shadows basically remain at the controls

56:47

of society as we know

56:49

it nowadays. And that's what I

56:51

mean by specific genetics, because again, what

56:54

started with maybe a few dozen

56:57

individuals now we're eight billion. So

56:59

of course, the whole purity

57:01

of the bloodline that

57:03

deleted throughout history

57:06

was so many, again, living beings

57:08

right now on earth. But

57:10

that's why and that goes back now to

57:12

all the royal families, why do they think

57:14

they want to keep their blood pure? And

57:16

why do they all marry in between their

57:18

royal bloodlines and stuff? Some people

57:20

say it's because they want to keep the

57:22

bloodline pure. And because those specific bloodlines, specific

57:25

powers or capacities. And

57:28

again, I'm telling you that what's awesome, and I think I don't

57:30

know, on my head, I don't know where you guys want to

57:32

go after that. But I was going to say, that's a good

57:35

way to like

57:37

finish the conversation. That point is that

57:39

when you get into UFOs and ETs,

57:41

it just opens up your mind and

57:44

your field of vision to everything

57:46

that's happening, has

57:49

happened and will happen on

57:52

this planet. If that's really a

57:54

planet we're on, I haven't been to space.

57:56

I can say if it's round, I can say if

57:58

it's flat, I don't know. And in

58:02

my, I was going to say,

58:04

my online communities, nobody knows either. We

58:07

just keep an open mind. That's

58:10

a very astute way, I think, of putting

58:12

it. And

58:15

it's, yeah, you really...

58:19

You're speechless. I know that.

58:21

That's one of my favorite

58:24

hobbies. Again, disrespect,

58:26

but taking skeptics and turning

58:28

them into, well, speechless,

58:31

hungry for information human

58:34

beings, because that's what we're here for. We're

58:36

here to learn. We're spiritual

58:38

beings having a human experience. And

58:41

that means we're here to learn, enjoy

58:43

life, number one, but also learn and

58:45

get better. So Marta, if I'm helping

58:48

you right now, trying to expand your

58:50

horizon and want to know more, well,

58:52

mission accomplished. And you, Ryan, if I

58:54

helped you somehow try to see clear

58:56

or at least accept that experience as

58:59

a gift instead of a curse, again,

59:01

same mission accomplished. I mean, honestly, I

59:03

don't see it as a curse

59:05

at all. I see it as a positive because I'm, I

59:07

mean, again, I mentioned that I

59:09

have no physical markings. It wasn't painful.

59:12

It was traumatic in the sense that I

59:14

experienced it, but I'm still not sure how

59:16

it informed the rest of my life. Again,

59:19

I had never, you know, it never

59:21

happened to me again. I

59:24

didn't have the dreams again. Usually I

59:26

would imagine, you know, especially

59:28

if it's portrayed in media, people will, you

59:31

know, get those flashbacks again of that time

59:33

period in which it happened, but I didn't.

59:36

It never happened again. Well,

59:39

maybe it was supposed to be the other way or

59:41

maybe again, again, I know you're afraid of

59:43

that, but definitely, um, but

59:45

first off, I wish

59:47

I had that experience, bro, because then I would

59:49

have tried to, Hey

59:52

guys, if you're hearing me, I'm here. Like

59:55

I'll be down and, uh, but only the

59:57

good ones. Oh, of course, because sometimes it's

59:59

not so. So I was

1:00:01

going to say, even if it wasn't necessarily for you, but

1:00:03

sometimes it's not so enjoyable. And

1:00:06

again, we didn't talk about that. But also the

1:00:09

thing is, sometimes again, I

1:00:11

don't want to go too deep into that because

1:00:13

then we go a

1:00:15

complete different direction. But sometimes they're

1:00:18

not even actually actual ETs. There

1:00:20

are humans that portray themselves as ETs

1:00:22

just to scare the population and again,

1:00:25

reinforce that narrative that, oh, ETs are

1:00:27

bad and there's going to be an

1:00:29

invasion one day and when that happens,

1:00:31

the whole world has to unite so

1:00:33

we can have a new world older

1:00:35

and stuff like that. Wow. So

1:00:38

it's almost like shape-shifting into... Well,

1:00:41

they're not even shape-shifting. Some

1:00:43

of them, they're just where like

1:00:45

super advanced Hollywood makeup stuff. There's

1:00:48

been stories of that. Yo,

1:00:51

that's it. I don't

1:00:53

like the

1:00:55

average population do not realize

1:00:59

what's actually possible. Because

1:01:01

at the end of the day, you got to think that

1:01:04

there's a good saying from

1:01:06

military whistleblowers that say that

1:01:09

if you see a

1:01:11

technological advancement in mainstream

1:01:14

population, that means that they've had

1:01:16

it in the secret military programs for at

1:01:18

least 50 to 70 years. So

1:01:21

imagine how advanced they are right now. Well,

1:01:24

thank you. Why is it

1:01:26

that they're keeping it from us? Obviously, I

1:01:28

mean, you know, they're secret information, but why

1:01:30

not? Why is it so

1:01:32

guarded? Well, main

1:01:35

reason is to keep us enslaved because at the

1:01:37

end of the day, okay, to make it very,

1:01:39

very, very simple. If you

1:01:41

have a craft that can actually

1:01:44

travel across galaxies in a matter

1:01:46

of an instant,

1:01:49

like not even minutes, seconds,

1:01:52

right? Anyone that has a brain

1:01:54

or a few neurons to think is going to wonder,

1:01:56

okay, but what kind of fuel do they use? So

1:01:59

the answer to that is... that would be most

1:02:01

of the time free energy

1:02:03

like Nikola Tesla was working on.

1:02:06

And so now if you realize

1:02:08

that we've had that technology for

1:02:10

at least 70 years, you're wondering,

1:02:12

okay, so if there's a way

1:02:15

to travel across the

1:02:17

whole space and the whole

1:02:19

galaxy for free technically, not

1:02:22

using gas or coal

1:02:25

or anything, or nuclear fusion,

1:02:29

why don't we have it right now in

1:02:31

the mainstream population where they

1:02:33

keep telling us, oh, carbon is bad and

1:02:35

you have to stop using like mechanical cars

1:02:37

and use electric and stuff. Because they want

1:02:39

to control because as long as you got

1:02:42

to pay every month your electric bill and

1:02:44

your gas for your car and all that,

1:02:46

you got to keep working. So again, they

1:02:48

have the tech. It's all financial. There's no

1:02:50

free energy. Right.

1:02:56

So they have the tech that they've been having

1:02:58

70 years that they can travel across galaxies. And

1:03:00

I still need to take the bus to work.

1:03:03

That's exactly what I'm saying. And at the end

1:03:08

of the day, they don't really care whether we

1:03:10

believe in ETS or not. All they want is

1:03:12

they want to, again, again, I

1:03:14

want to make that clear because I don't want

1:03:17

any trouble. I don't want to have some people

1:03:19

come knock on my door, have some black helicopter

1:03:21

flying over my house and stuff. But again, I'm,

1:03:24

I'm, I was going to say I

1:03:26

have nothing against that. I'm just stating facts here.

1:03:28

Right. And I'm not the one saying them like

1:03:31

there's dozens of whistle blowers saying that. But yeah,

1:03:34

like it's bro, they just want

1:03:36

this cheap control of again,

1:03:38

the slave, the lab rats, the

1:03:41

highway, everyone call that and money and the

1:03:43

whole banking system is the best way to

1:03:45

do that. Because then

1:03:48

again, man, once you start opening your

1:03:50

eyes and just watching

1:03:53

how the world works right now,

1:03:55

you definitely see that something's really

1:03:57

wrong. And yeah, that's part of

1:03:59

it. I think I think

1:04:01

that's a really interesting segue into you know as

1:04:03

we as we wrap this up I

1:04:06

kind of want to pose one final question to

1:04:08

both of you You know obviously we know where

1:04:11

you both stand in terms of your belief Of

1:04:14

the UFOs and of aliens who may

1:04:16

be existing on earth But

1:04:19

my question is do you think they're

1:04:21

here to help or do you think they're here to harm?

1:04:23

I? I

1:04:27

think if they were I think if they were

1:04:29

here to harm we wouldn't be here anymore So

1:04:32

I think they're either using

1:04:34

us for research to evolve the species

1:04:37

as it is or

1:04:39

I Mean, I think there is

1:04:41

no or actually I don't think that they're here to harm

1:04:43

us at all They can't because

1:04:45

if they were here to harm us

1:04:47

why why again Marta. We still be

1:04:49

here exactly Frenchie how

1:04:51

about yourself? How long

1:04:53

do you have for me to answer that question? Let's

1:04:58

see if we can get it in a couple of minutes well

1:05:04

Well, it's gonna be tough um Whenever

1:05:08

something happens to a living being that has

1:05:10

a soul and something violent

1:05:14

there's a there's

1:05:16

a an

1:05:18

energetic trouble I Again,

1:05:22

that's a fight that that's a long answer. We would

1:05:24

need the whole podcast a little bit long story short

1:05:26

again I

1:05:28

think we're protected. I think Were

1:05:32

humanity is only allowed to go

1:05:34

so far into deep sh

1:05:37

it as We're

1:05:40

not gonna mess things up for

1:05:42

too many people around us if I'm

1:05:45

being clear and I'll give you a

1:05:47

perfect story Everybody's heard about the Roswell

1:05:49

crash an incident, right? Mm-hmm. Do

1:05:51

you know the date? Ah Oh

1:05:54

gosh 1941 seven Why

1:06:00

did that happen? And again, I'm

1:06:03

just quoting many whistleblowers and many

1:06:05

booths and interviews and testimonies

1:06:07

that have happened about that. Basically

1:06:10

when the Americans started toying

1:06:13

with the atomic bomb, what's an atomic

1:06:15

bomb? It's when basically when you split

1:06:17

an atom. Okay, where were

1:06:19

you following me? So when

1:06:21

you split the atom in

1:06:23

our physical reality, what happens is

1:06:25

that you've got that gigantic explosion

1:06:27

killing thousands. Thousands is

1:06:30

not millions of people. Okay,

1:06:32

but on a quantum level,

1:06:34

when you split the atom,

1:06:37

what happens on Earth like an

1:06:39

atomic bomb going off is

1:06:41

going to have ripple effects on the

1:06:44

other side of the galaxy. So what

1:06:46

happened is that when we started being

1:06:48

stupid with atomic bombs, we actually messed

1:06:50

up technologies from civilization and

1:06:53

it is however you want to call

1:06:55

that at the other far side of

1:06:57

the galaxy. So that's when UFO

1:06:59

sightings really started to go

1:07:01

high numbers because basically all

1:07:03

those more advanced

1:07:07

societies or civilization came to Earth and

1:07:09

were like, okay, what are the monkeys

1:07:12

doing down there? Like what the hell?

1:07:14

Like they messed up our stuff and

1:07:16

there were so many sightings at

1:07:18

that time period. Again, that was 47. So

1:07:21

two years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki and

1:07:24

that eventually some of them had like,

1:07:27

and again, that's another way to look at

1:07:29

it. Either they had technological problem and then

1:07:32

you had that crash at Roswell or

1:07:34

they were like, okay, now they don't

1:07:36

realize that they're not alone in the universe. Let's

1:07:39

throw them a bone. Let's throw them

1:07:41

one of our craft. Let it crash on Earth and

1:07:43

see how they deal with that. And

1:07:46

that's why it ended up giving birth to

1:07:49

the Majestic 12 group and the

1:07:51

whole secret space program and the

1:07:53

whole, again, UFO coverup

1:07:56

that they're barely starting to put out

1:07:58

in the news. now,

1:08:00

what, 70, 80 years

1:08:03

later. Yeah. So yeah.

1:08:06

So whether they're good or bad, I think

1:08:10

some are watching us. They

1:08:12

keep a close eye. Some definitely want to

1:08:14

do bad things. But I think there are

1:08:16

other entities that actually protect us, but they

1:08:18

can't do it. They cannot. They're not allowed

1:08:20

to do it in a direct way.

1:08:24

And yeah, they got to find ways.

1:08:26

And yeah, so again, that's

1:08:28

a vast question. Like we could spend hours

1:08:32

talking about that. But yeah, I hope I

1:08:34

have good aliens versus bad aliens. Maybe they

1:08:36

can just, yeah. Well, from

1:08:38

what the whistleblower says, like only 5% are really bad. Like

1:08:40

5% are really bad. 5% are really good.

1:08:45

And there's 90% that don't really give a

1:08:47

crap. Just like you would be. Exactly.

1:08:50

Yeah. Exactly. I don't

1:08:53

care. It makes sense. If

1:08:55

we come from them, we're just like them.

1:08:57

As above so below, guys. And

1:09:01

that I think is a fantastic place

1:09:03

for us to wrap up this conversation.

1:09:06

Ryan Tan and Frenchie, I want to

1:09:08

thank you both so much. This has

1:09:10

been a really eye opening experience for

1:09:12

myself and hopefully for our listeners who

1:09:14

will go out and as I'm going

1:09:17

to do, who are

1:09:19

going to go out and do their own independent research on

1:09:21

this. I really appreciate you both

1:09:23

sharing your opinions and your stories. And

1:09:25

thank you everyone for listening. I really

1:09:28

hope that this gives you something to

1:09:30

kind of think about in your own

1:09:32

time. Thank you so much for listening

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