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one of the guys at the table said, you

1:11

know, people that tell you to chase your passion,

1:14

they're all rich people. That's bullshit. You just got to go

1:16

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1:20

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1:22

I met. I don't know, man. Call it six

1:24

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1:27

guy has taken his passion and there's no

1:29

other way to describe it as a passion

1:31

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1:33

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1:35

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1:38

business. He his pieces are hung

1:41

all over the place in some amazing

1:43

places. They are incredibly sought after. Celebrities

1:46

are after him. I mean, he's like

1:48

the cool hipster guy's artist and

1:51

he's a super cool guy. But ladies and gentlemen,

1:53

we want to hear this story today about working

1:55

your passion into money. Welcome to the studio. This

1:58

is Daniel Cohen. Daniel, what's up, buddy? John,

2:00

thanks for having me. How are you, man? I'm good.

2:02

Just living the dream. Living the dream. Good to see

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you back in Vegas. I'm glad you made the trip

2:07

in for this. I appreciate it. So

2:09

tell early Daniel, let's talk about early Daniel,

2:11

because I always like to start here because

2:13

you always wonder, is it nature? Is it

2:16

nurture? What caused, what caused you, man? Great,

2:19

great question. It started probably

2:21

at a young age and

2:23

just kept evolving. It was

2:26

definitely inspired by a lot of

2:28

great teachers that kind of grew

2:30

me to appreciate art, understand

2:33

it. And then Instagram came along

2:35

and realized I didn't want to just

2:37

sell fitness tea. I wanted to actually

2:39

follow my passion. So

2:43

kind of left my job. Never

2:45

really shared this part of the story before,

2:47

but I was addicted to a drug. The

2:50

drug was actually a salary. And

2:53

it was stealing me away from my

2:55

actual dreams of becoming something in

2:57

a creative field. Because what did you, what did you

2:59

go to school to do? What was your, what was

3:01

your initial thought process for a colon?

3:04

The, the goal was to

3:06

always try to do something in the creative

3:08

field, whether that was, uh, be

3:11

a graphic designer, photographer, do marketing, something

3:13

that I could use my creative skills

3:16

and assets and, and my, you

3:18

know, my left side of my brain or my right side

3:20

of my brain to, um, to allow

3:22

me to enjoy what I actually do and not just,

3:24

uh, you know, just miserable with

3:26

what I'm doing. So, um,

3:30

was, was fortunate enough to

3:33

leave a job working sales and

3:35

marketing, um, and moved

3:37

to Los Angeles, uh, for another

3:39

job. And then, um, out

3:42

of spite, I, I left that job

3:44

to become an artist and Instagram kind of blew up.

3:46

Well, hang on. Let's, let's slow down. I gotta get

3:48

that. So did you go to

3:50

college? I do. I have a degree, a

3:52

bachelor's of science degree in communications, Arizona state

3:54

university online, never went to the actual school.

3:57

So, so

3:59

no Sunday. double flag hanging in the

4:01

old house. I go, I go to

4:03

the graduation and everyone as they're walking

4:06

is throwing up the Trident and I'm

4:08

like, why is everyone throwing up the

4:10

shocker? Is this a joke? I

4:14

never knew about the shocker or the

4:16

Trident and I get there and I

4:18

had this great moment. I like,

4:20

okay, now I understand it's, it's the Trident, the

4:23

Sun Devil. So I am a Sun Devil. I

4:25

do have a degree. I paid probably $15,000

4:27

or more for a piece of paper. It

4:31

was an insurance policy. I

4:33

already knew I was going to be an artist, but yeah,

4:35

it was, it was just a backup plan in case, you

4:37

know, this is to make a living in this career. It's

4:40

like you got to be in the 1% of

4:42

the 1% to actually be doing it and

4:44

doing it well. Yeah. So I had to,

4:47

I wanted to like do that one for

4:49

my parents as well as you

4:51

know, um, for myself, just so you'd get that goal

4:53

accomplished. You did have a little bit of a safety

4:55

net dinner. So what you looked at it as? Yeah.

4:58

I mean, I

5:00

didn't want to be in my forties or fifties

5:02

and say I tried to be an artist and

5:04

then whatever doesn't happen. And then I end up

5:06

like, why didn't I just spend the two years

5:08

to get the degree? Well, see, I love that

5:10

because this weekend, this last weekend I was in

5:12

Seattle at a, at one of my mastermind groups

5:14

and I'm in and you know, the

5:16

kids were there. We always take the kids and we

5:19

traveled to cities and they'd never been to Seattle. So

5:21

we took the Seattle underground tour and our tour guide

5:23

was very boisterous and a very animated.

5:25

And she announced towards the end of the

5:27

tour guide that she had a, got

5:29

a theater degree in college. So this was just about

5:31

all she was qualified to do. And I was thinking,

5:34

not really a safety net, not a good

5:36

safety net for an artist that wants to

5:38

be something. So yes, less than one kids,

5:40

if you're chasing your passion set

5:42

yourself up for success because I, if

5:45

I'm correct, right, if you

5:47

get an art degree from college, no

5:49

gallery has ever asked you what

5:51

college did you attend to receive your art degree?

5:53

Has anybody ever asked you that Daniel? No. Okay.

5:55

No. Pretty sure to cat if you're, if

5:57

you're in theater, pretty sure no casting.

5:59

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creative fields, they really focus

6:39

on what are you doing? What

6:42

can you actually do? What are you actually

6:44

doing? Like how are you actually using your

6:46

creative skills and it doesn't matter,

6:48

I mean a piece of paper is just a

6:50

piece of paper. There's so

6:52

much more to actually

6:55

how are you using your creative arts to kind

6:58

of share those gifts with other people. To get to

7:00

where it was. Okay, so we got our piece of

7:02

paper, we got our communications. Great. The

7:04

whole time through college, you still, are you tinkering

7:06

with your own stuff? Are you doing your own

7:08

things? I mean, obviously because it's hard to jump

7:10

on the computer and throw out the shocker symbol.

7:13

Yeah. But you were still doing,

7:15

so you were already in the process of doing

7:17

art while you were doing these. So what percentage

7:19

of time were you focused on studying? So bartending

7:21

during the day, school during the day, stripping at

7:23

nights, no I'm just kidding. I

7:26

was stripping the paint off houses maybe. Yeah,

7:29

nobody's paying money to see me in new days to do

7:31

anything. So I was, yeah,

7:33

just grinding. And the

7:37

greatness of social media at the time as I started

7:40

with pieces at $250, so I was selling

7:42

10, 20 a month and making a

7:45

living as a bartender during the day. So

7:48

that was able to give me like this little

7:50

leap starting at great easy entry points. Was

7:52

it the same style you have today? Yeah, very

7:55

similar. I started with the nutritional fact label and

7:57

I stripped that and replaced all of the. total

8:01

fat, sugar, and descriptions

8:03

of what's in your food with describing

8:05

what is the experience of smoking

8:07

cannabis or of what mushrooms are

8:10

like. And in the same format,

8:12

taking something boring and turning into

8:14

something brilliant. And I would have loved

8:16

to have seen the DMT label if

8:18

you did more than I would have loved to have seen

8:21

that. So for those of you that don't know, and

8:24

a lot of you are probably meeting Daniel for the first time,

8:26

describe your art to the folks. Obviously this is an audio

8:28

media. You can watch it on YouTube. And if you

8:30

watch this on YouTube, I promise we'll put some clips

8:33

in that shows what he does. But

8:35

I would almost describe it as like nerd

8:38

art. Sure. Yeah.

8:40

Has it ever been described that way? Because I

8:42

love it. It's like science art. It's very cool.

8:44

I love, I love taking trash and turning into

8:47

treasure. Yeah. No, no one likes chemistry. No one

8:49

likes nutritional fact label, but they see it and

8:51

they're like, I recognize that. What is that? Why

8:53

does it have a drug or something? That's a

8:56

cell phone. Why does it say social media? And

8:58

they get drawn into it. The average amount of

9:00

time that someone spends in front of an art

9:02

piece at an art gallery and museum is less

9:05

than three seconds where with my work, they really

9:07

get captivated. They get sucked in. There's humor, there's

9:09

irony, there's playfulness. It's relatable. That's different than most

9:11

work. You go into a museum, you see a

9:13

bunch of paints splattered on something. You need to

9:16

read a description on the wall to tell you

9:18

what the artist was going through in that time

9:20

period to understand what the context

9:22

is of that art piece. With mine, you just

9:24

instantly get it. So my artwork, to answer your

9:27

question, is under

9:30

a collection called This is Addictive.

9:32

So I like to make commentary,

9:34

play with commentary on the

9:38

nature of humans and their vices, what

9:40

we're addicted to. It's very zeitgeist. So I

9:43

love capturing the spirit of the time, really

9:46

analyzing our culture through the lens

9:48

of art. And the way

9:51

that I've done that is the periodic

9:53

table. Love the periodic table. Because when

9:55

we wake up, what's

9:57

the first thing that some people do? They get their phone.

9:59

their addicted to their phone. What's the next thing they do?

10:02

They might have sex or they might get coffee or both.

10:05

These are the addictions. So I have an element for social media. It

10:07

sounds like they kicked out of Starbucks. I mean, that's a problem. Keep

10:12

going. It happened to me today. It's how

10:14

I ended up here. But

10:16

yeah, so by the third hour

10:18

of the day, you're

10:21

thinking about money. I need to work. I

10:23

need to get, you know, there's so many

10:25

driving forces, the hustle, the entrepreneur, the element,

10:28

um, a family, like all these

10:30

things are the elements of today. So I

10:33

like capturing the spirit of the time through

10:35

the, these, uh, elements that

10:37

I've created. And like I said,

10:39

they're just relatable. The, for me, art should

10:43

not need, it doesn't need to be so,

10:45

uh, doesn't need

10:48

to be so about like the times

10:50

of, of like, what's, what's

10:52

challenging? Like, I don't want to make art

10:54

about climate change. That's, that's

10:56

not for me. I don't want to make art about,

10:58

uh, how my ancestors were oppressed. That's not for me.

11:01

I want to make art that's relatable, that people are

11:03

going to love, that they're going to remember, that's going

11:05

to outlive me and, and stand the test of time

11:07

and always just be remembered. It's, it's iconic. No one's

11:09

done it. And that's, those are the things that I

11:11

always like chasing and grading. It's, it's, it's so when

11:14

you see it now that now, and if you watch

11:16

this video on YouTube, you'll see some of the pieces

11:18

and then when you see them in very famous places

11:20

that some of the stuff is hanging now or

11:23

on very famous people's Instagram says they've got them

11:25

and hung them on their walls, you'll see that.

11:28

And it really is,

11:30

man. It just, it's, it's just interesting to stop

11:32

and look at like, there's no little card required

11:34

to say what you were thinking and what it's

11:36

about. It's very, it's very self-explanatory, but it's just

11:38

so interesting the way that you do it. So

11:41

let's get back to the journey

11:44

of getting to that place. So you've always

11:46

kind of been doing this stuff. So you

11:48

started marketing it on Instagram is how you

11:50

first started marketing this stuff. The

11:53

way that it started was gifting

11:55

pieces. That's been my secret sauce.

11:58

Putting a piece on someone's wall, putting on a.

12:00

a piece on someone's, uh, you know, a wall

12:02

on social media, on their physical wall and

12:05

having those dominoes fall or having a breadcrumb show

12:07

that always leads back to me. So gave

12:10

a couple pieces to some influencers early on

12:12

2014, 15, 16, when the algorithm was

12:16

very, really, really good, excellent

12:18

reach, uh, ridiculous lifestyle was, was

12:21

a huge supporter of me early

12:23

on and, um,

12:25

set up a Shopify store, had a website.

12:28

Like I said, $250 pieces, 10, 20 a month. My

12:32

rent was covered. Yeah. And

12:34

money. Um, those went from two 50 to

12:36

500 to seven to 50 to a thousand

12:38

started getting representation by galleries. Uh,

12:40

the price point had to double at that

12:43

point cause galleries take a chunk percent to

12:45

half. So, um,

12:48

obviously the, there's different levels of art fairs.

12:50

You have your local art galleries that, uh,

12:52

are just working with local artists or sometimes

12:54

artists around the world. Uh, there

12:56

might be doing group shows. There's

12:58

also other galleries that take work on

13:00

the road to different markets and different

13:02

destinations with, with what are art fairs,

13:04

uh, some commercial art fairs that are

13:07

trying to sell work that, you know,

13:09

is, is from emerging mid-career artists, sometimes

13:11

artists that are dead. But,

13:13

uh, if you find a gallery like I

13:15

did that takes your work on the road

13:17

to the Hamptons, Aspen, New York, um, Miami,

13:20

obviously, and the end of the year, the fish are

13:22

man, go where the money is. Exactly. So

13:24

these galleries got smart. So if you get

13:27

that, then you're constantly being kept up with

13:29

business because the galleries are always, you know,

13:31

finding new markets to, uh, to bring business

13:33

to. So, um, was successful at getting into

13:36

a few galleries early on, um, that took

13:38

my work on the road. So

13:40

marketing, obviously that way, um, social media

13:43

kept growing, uh, found unique creative things

13:45

to do, uh, in

13:47

the artistic world that kept,

13:49

kept marketing, kept humping, kept investing

13:52

and, um, just have not stopped.

13:54

Like it's been all gas. Well, there's so much

13:57

to unpack from what you just said. There's so

13:59

much to unpack. So

14:01

the first thing I'm going to say is if you're trying

14:03

to start something, if you're trying to get

14:05

it going, right, getting it in the hands

14:08

of those that can make it cool and

14:10

get it exposed is clutch. So

14:12

however you get it in their hands, I think

14:14

is important. So you know,

14:17

very similar to like, you know, travel Binsky,

14:19

I don't know if you know, travel or

14:21

not. No, uh, Travis, the founder of flex

14:23

watches, he's been on the show and uh,

14:25

Trav stumbled across the filming of the real

14:27

world San Diego when they were filming in

14:29

a bar and he just inserted himself. Struck

14:32

up a conversation, talk about what the product

14:34

was and then ended up getting flex watches

14:36

just injected into the show. That's where the

14:38

kids worked. I mean, it was wild, but

14:40

he did. He goes, yeah, this was, this

14:42

was just, I just strong arm my way

14:44

into this production in real time. Like in real

14:46

time, we did it, but getting

14:49

yourself in front of people, I think is clutch.

14:51

The second part of that thing I would say

14:53

that is important is a lot of people can't

14:55

swallow the idea of giving up 50%

14:57

of their, their work. They

15:00

just can't like, why am I going to give you 50%

15:02

of profits? Well dude, here's the deal. You

15:04

have to look at it as a

15:06

symmetrical risk. You have to say, okay, if I,

15:08

if I give up 50% of my bottom line,

15:11

but they can grow my top line by 5,000% and

15:15

your net is 12 to six

15:17

times what it was, then you got to get

15:19

out of your own way. I've done

15:21

deals before with people where I'm like, look, we

15:24

can get you from A to Z, but it ain't free

15:26

and it's going to be here. And I just, they couldn't

15:28

get out of their own, their own way with their ego

15:30

to get out that much of a piece. Ego

15:33

always gets in the way. You got to find people that

15:35

want to build with you and 50% is a lot of

15:37

money, but a hundred percent of nothing is nothing. So you

15:40

got to find people that want to

15:42

grow with you long-term, the gallery within the galleries and

15:44

a lot of industries. You got to pick your poison

15:46

of who you're working with. Are they the people you're

15:48

going to work with pay on time? Are they going to

15:50

be honest? It can be loyal. Is there a long-term growth?

15:53

All of these are things that can be

15:55

challenges within any industry and within the art

15:57

world. It's historically has a lot of corrupt

16:00

characters. that are always gonna be around. So

16:03

you gotta do your diligence, really find people that are

16:05

trustworthy that you wanna work with. Well, tell me about

16:07

a time you'd been banged out. I'm

16:12

gonna sign you a guy buddy. Pick the worst one,

16:14

pick the worst one. Pick the best one that's gonna-

16:16

No, no, luckily. Leave the names aside. I don't need

16:18

the names of people, but tell me about the scenario.

16:20

Cause it does happen and how'd you deal with it

16:22

and how'd you move forward from it? Well,

16:25

there's times where I've elected to do

16:27

work on my own and there was

16:29

a guy, comes

16:32

from a very wealthy family. I won't say

16:34

his first name, but his last name is

16:36

DuPont. Okay. Just

16:39

a little, a little, a little wealthy.

16:41

I got it. Ironically,

16:43

he wanted a piece of art,

16:45

which was an oversized receipt that

16:48

was from a bank that had a

16:50

statement balance of a few million dollars.

16:52

It's a flex. It's the concept is

16:55

people have so much money. Sometimes they get these

16:58

ATM receipts that have million dollar balances. They just

17:00

crumb them up and throw it away. So the,

17:02

it's a giant oversized crumbled up receipt. So

17:04

he commissions one. I get the wire

17:08

after seeing the receipt a few days later, hits

17:11

the account, make him the piece,

17:14

get it framed, let him know it's ready to be

17:17

sent. He sends me a screenshot of

17:19

a wire receipt. It's a Friday. I go,

17:22

this guy is wealthy. Seemed like

17:24

I can trust him last time.

17:26

Got the screenshot, the wire is being sent.

17:28

I release it to FedEx all

17:30

of a sudden, no wire,

17:32

no wire. Send him, Hey, what's going

17:34

on? What's going on? Weeks go by,

17:36

he's playing the game. I, red flags

17:38

are popping off. So

17:42

long story short, I had hired

17:45

a collections attorney, amazing guy, David

17:47

Kahana, legend, legendary lawyer

17:50

who does collections. He was able to ruffle

17:52

some feathers, put some heat to this guy

17:54

and got me paid. So he was the

17:56

savior, but the chat, the story of this

17:59

is. sometimes the benefit of

18:01

the galleries is they have these protocols

18:03

of how to actually do business. So

18:05

I have been burned by collectors directly.

18:07

I have been burned by galleries. Uh,

18:10

but these lessons along the way have

18:12

taught me a lot. Yeah.

18:14

It's it's, it's fun. It's you know,

18:16

it's so funny cause it's been my

18:18

experience too, that sometimes occasionally ultra wealthy

18:20

people will do shit like that. Just

18:23

cause they think they can just

18:25

cause they think they can't like, ah, it's

18:28

too much, but I'm just not going to pay the guy. What's he going

18:30

to do? What's he going to do? What's

18:32

he going to do? And I think that it's

18:34

so funny cause and I

18:36

think as a person getting into business with people

18:38

that are ultra wealthy, if you've never done that,

18:40

you just assume because they're ultra wealthy, they would

18:42

never do something like that. What

18:45

about their reputation? It's you know, it's going to be

18:47

terrible if this happens. No, no, no, dude. You

18:49

gotta, you gotta cover the, uh, cross the T's and

18:52

dot the I's as they say. Yeah.

18:54

So shout out to my, uh, two-pond friend.

18:56

So the great thing that I did for

18:58

the collections attorney, David is made him one

19:01

of the same receipts and, uh, wrote on

19:03

it. Fuck you pay me. And

19:06

he's got that hanging in his office and he loves

19:08

it. It's, he's got a great story out of it.

19:10

So it tells the story. How many pieces

19:12

do you commission that you find commission pieces that are

19:14

designed to tell a story in a way that way

19:17

a lot of stuff, or they depend on, are

19:19

they coming to you with the creative idea? Are

19:21

they depending on you? I've had some interesting ones.

19:23

I had a collector ask me to make him

19:25

a Panda Express element. He was addicted to orange

19:27

chicken. Well,

19:30

it's pretty solid. It's the old Panda

19:32

Express. Yeah.

19:37

Yeah. I would never expect that. That is someone's

19:39

guilty. I mean, I can understand this comfort food.

19:41

It's guilty pleasure. That's what some people just love.

19:43

It might be McDonald's, uh, but for him, it

19:46

was, it was that, but I do get some

19:48

interesting requests. That one was a

19:50

strange one. Um, okay. Cause you

19:52

are dealing with addiction. Has anybody asked for

19:54

things something that you were just not comfortable

19:56

producing or not? I mean, I have put

19:58

some real substances and pieces. Have

20:00

you? By request, yeah. All right. Typically

20:03

it was, let me find some replica

20:05

stuff, but there has been requests for

20:07

authentic stuff to create the, um, it

20:09

just makes it so much more. My

20:11

mind just goes to like the worst

20:13

things you can be addicted to, right?

20:16

Like weird German pornography or something. All

20:18

of a sudden you're like, you know,

20:20

I'm just not comfortable with this. I'm

20:22

just not comfortable. Yeah. But nothing

20:25

so far has gone on. No, no, no, no, no,

20:27

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

20:29

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Look, we weren't

20:31

going that far, right? I'm going to assume that you're

20:33

able to get with morals. Yeah. I'm

20:35

going to go ahead and assume there's some sort of a

20:37

moral compass. Yeah, of course I'm not just an art horror.

20:40

So when it comes to your

20:42

pricing with these folks, do you take who they

20:44

are, and what they can pay into it? I

20:46

don't, I don't know. No, no, no, the market

20:48

price isn't. It's just market price. So your pieces

20:50

now. So for how much? Well

20:53

they range. I mean I, as an artist,

20:55

I like to create some diversity and allow

20:57

collectors to buy in at like a affordable

20:59

price point. You know, not

21:01

everyone has $5,000 to spend on a piece of art,

21:03

but they might have a couple hundred dollars. So

21:06

I have sometimes limited releases where it might be

21:08

something that's a hundred bucks to 500 bucks, 500

21:10

to a thousand. But right

21:12

now the elements started at $2,000 in 2017. That's

21:16

your periodic table. Periodic table. Um, now they're

21:18

selling for 5,000. So they have the

21:21

early investors that got in had, have seen

21:23

a good significant increase. They continue to sell

21:25

at that price point. I

21:27

have large periodic tables that are eight

21:29

feet wide by four feet high. Those

21:31

are selling for a great

21:35

price. I'm very grateful. The last one

21:37

just sold for, for close to six

21:39

figures. So we're, I'm grateful that, um,

21:41

people are continuing to invest. They see

21:44

the vision. Um, it's unique work

21:46

and that's what is one of the most rare

21:48

prices, things that you can buy today is, is

21:50

unique. You know, it's so

21:52

funny, man, that in your business, especially

21:54

it's, it is 100% unique.

21:57

And opinion driven, right? There's no.

22:00

I mean, I guess everything is the reason

22:02

gold is valuable is because they say it is right there's

22:04

in diamonds are valuable is because Debeers says they are I

22:06

mean, but at the same time art

22:08

is just so subjective that I

22:11

mean do you wake up every day? You

22:13

gotta wake up on two sides of the bed I'm

22:15

guessing you gotta wake up thanking God that the world

22:18

thinks that you this is the cool thing And

22:20

also part of you is part of you sort of terrified that

22:22

somebody might wake up one day and be like this is not

22:24

cool No, I can't

22:26

stop you can't stop you just don't think that I

22:29

got there's so many ideas up here It's I love

22:31

it's really just a matter of like who

22:33

wants to keep buying in to keep

22:35

funding this dream That's going is is

22:38

I could keep going. I'm gonna fill some

22:40

museums. I got great great concepts. It's Some

22:44

of them just come with a price tag.

22:46

My artwork is not paint on canvas It

22:48

can get expensive to make the work that

22:50

I create because you'd use real elements use

22:52

like the periodic table of luxury Was

22:55

my highest my most expensive piece. Well that cost

22:57

it that piece cost me $9,500 to make yeah,

22:59

so and that That's

23:03

you know that sometimes adds

23:05

up when you make two of them three of them. So Here's

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23:11

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23:13

your life or what makes you fascinated with addiction?

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23:17

addict of something whether it's a fringe addiction

23:20

like they're addicted to tennis Or

23:22

they're addicted to their dog or

23:24

their family like or just straight-up

23:26

addicted to something literally and and

23:28

the people who have gone through

23:30

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23:33

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23:35

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23:37

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23:41

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remember growing up Halloween was the

24:08

holiest holiday because I would, is not raised

24:11

in a household where there was a lot

24:13

of sugar or candy or soda. So

24:15

I would, I always loved the idea

24:17

of being able to get candy out of sweet tooth. So

24:20

maybe it started then, but today, no, I didn't

24:22

have like a history of addiction. Um, I mean,

24:27

like is, is the addiction of money

24:29

or the addiction of, of success fueling

24:31

me? Absolutely. Oh, I

24:33

think so. That's what I'm chasing. You

24:36

know, it's, it's one

24:38

of my favorite stats is life doesn't change that

24:40

much. After I think the numbers like

24:42

$85,000 a year, life doesn't

24:44

exponentially change that much. I mean, I think it changes from

24:46

85,000, I think after $500,000 a year, it

24:49

changes a lot. But after that, it

24:52

doesn't really change because you kind of get to a point when

24:54

you start making really great money that like, like

24:57

there's some things you've always wanted to go buy

24:59

and then you go buy them and you realize

25:01

very quickly, shit, it

25:03

was the idea of buying this that made it desirable,

25:05

not the thing itself. And now I've bought this thing

25:07

and I'm over it. I love David Spade tells that

25:09

story about buying a Ferrari and he just felt like

25:11

an asshole like the first day he'd never drove it

25:13

again. And I've had similar experiences

25:16

with that. So, but I tell people a

25:18

lot of time, you know, the thing now is

25:20

when you get to a certain point of success, you're

25:22

just chasing a scoreboard against yourself. It's really

25:24

what it is. It's just how much more I'm into

25:26

the next level. It doesn't really meet. It doesn't, you

25:28

don't need anything, but you just want to, you

25:31

just want to push, continue to push the goal post further

25:33

out. It is a

25:35

re there's relativity to the situation. It

25:37

just is a nonstop thing that you're

25:39

always trying to chase the next goal,

25:42

the next mountain top. So I get

25:44

it. You know, when I just

25:46

recently moved to Miami and I moved

25:49

there, obviously for three things, um,

25:52

the hurricanes, the humidity and

25:54

the BBLs. Um, but,

25:57

um, I moved there actually for the American dream. I,

25:59

I'm great. that I was able to buy a condo

26:01

there. And so

26:03

now, now that I'm there, I, what's,

26:06

what's next? Where are you? Are

26:08

you downtown? You're at the beach? Where are

26:10

you? I'm on the Miami side in an

26:12

area called Edgewater. Great view, but it's like

26:14

being on vacation every day. So I've had

26:16

this balance, work-life balance come from Los Angeles,

26:19

going to Miami, having to

26:22

really refocus and hustle on and find

26:24

some new goals to go after. So

26:27

it's, it's a, it's a great environment to be in.

26:29

I like Miami. It's, it's one of the best places

26:31

to live right now in the United States, in my

26:33

opinion. So as somebody that continually chases the

26:35

more and more and more, I got more ideas in my head. Do

26:37

you ever allow yourself to feel like you've made it? Did

26:39

you have a moment where you were like, fuck, right? I

26:42

made it. I think that's what

26:44

most people struggle with. Yeah. Is

26:46

that exact paradigm is you get

26:48

swept up and not celebrating the

26:50

little wins along the way. You

26:52

got to celebrate the dubs. Yeah.

26:56

If you don't, then you're, you're never going to be

26:58

satisfied. You're never going to have fulfillment. And

27:00

for me, I have had to

27:02

be more conscious of that because for

27:06

my first year, it was six figure sales. It

27:08

was like great, hungrier. Yeah.

27:11

War. Next goal, hungrier. And

27:14

now it's like, now my next goal is six

27:16

figures, one art piece. Yeah. It's,

27:19

that's the addiction. It's, it's not

27:21

the best addiction to have. The

27:24

best thing to have is fulfillment. Be

27:26

grateful, have gratitude. Those things are, keep

27:28

me grounded, keep me sane. So

27:31

the balance is everything. A lot of artists

27:33

and people in general can get swept up

27:35

in the lifestyle, especially in places like Miami,

27:37

like Vegas, like Los Angeles. So it's. Well,

27:40

I was going to say, like, if you look at how many people

27:43

get addicted to likes, shares comments

27:45

on Instagram posts, like their whole

27:47

life begins to rotate around what

27:50

people think of what they're putting out there. You

27:53

are that on a rocket ship,

27:56

because it's literally what

27:58

you do. I mean, like. What

28:00

people think of what I create is

28:02

what I do. I mean, that

28:05

has got to be, have you ever, have you

28:07

produced something that maybe you put up for sale and it didn't

28:10

sell as quick as you thought it should and it started to

28:12

fuck away your head a little bit. Absolutely. How do you deal

28:14

with that? I,

28:16

I realized it's not the

28:18

right timing. I gotta be patient. I

28:20

gotta be more, uh, effective with the

28:23

execution of how I'm releasing something. Um,

28:25

it's the, it's all in the storytelling. Uh,

28:28

there's, it's maybe

28:31

it's just, yeah, the, the not, not the right

28:34

timing, but I have, um, I

28:36

have been, um, I'm trying to continue to

28:38

grow in exactly that way. Um,

28:41

and yeah, sometimes things you gotta, you gotta throw shit

28:43

on the wall and see what six sometimes not everything

28:46

does. Um, but I'm grateful that

28:48

a lot of the stuff that I have has

28:50

stuck. One of my best selling releases was called

28:52

Benjamin's bread. It was the simplest idea. Slaying

28:55

for money is bread. I put a hundred

28:57

grand in a bread bag. I designed it.

28:59

I boxed it up, shipped it

29:01

out to a hundred people, gave them away.

29:03

People posted them. It led to some of

29:06

the most amazing relationships

29:08

today. Just paper

29:11

printed plastic concept.

29:14

That's it. It and people loved

29:16

it because everyone loves

29:18

this idea of you got to wake up and

29:20

get that bread people are chasing the bag. They

29:22

put it on top of the refrigerator. Maybe their

29:25

other bread is, or maybe they have it somewhere

29:27

significant or special like their office just as that

29:29

reminder, like go get it, go get the bag,

29:31

chase the bag. Um, but

29:33

just the simplest idea of taking, uh, an

29:36

old saying and turning into something

29:38

that's relatable that you've never seen

29:41

before bread, money together. Done. You

29:44

know, it's, I tell people all the time, I said,

29:46

one of the, one of the biggest mistakes you can

29:48

make as an entrepreneur is because we're

29:50

not creating art, but we are creating concepts,

29:53

products, sites, funnels, all of these things that

29:55

you have to create to be a good

29:57

entrepreneur in business. people

30:00

all the time don't fall too in love with your own

30:02

ideas. And the reason you can is because you can't think

30:04

objectively about them. How like

30:06

you, you have to fall in

30:08

love with what you do. So how do you,

30:10

is that that's gotta be very difficult to reconcile

30:12

sometimes. It's a love hate relationship,

30:15

just like social media, social

30:17

medias, love hate relationship, especially lately. But,

30:19

um, I do, you do have to kind of

30:22

fall in love with what you do. Um, and

30:24

once you lose that you start to question, what

30:26

am I doing? Um, and

30:29

sometimes when things flop, you're,

30:31

it hurts even more because you have that

30:33

strong love for something and other people don't

30:35

share that same love. So

30:38

it's, uh, you just

30:40

got to kind of double down, triple down sometimes

30:42

on, on like your vision focus, re sometimes pull

30:44

back. There's projects that I'm pulling back now on

30:47

that I released that I thought people were going

30:49

to get really excited about, see the vision, but

30:51

it's too early. It's AI generated

30:53

stuff that I know is going

30:55

to be a hit. It's just, I

30:58

need to be more effective and find a

31:00

better way to communicate that love and explain

31:02

it to people. So they fall in love

31:04

right now with social media, the challenges, everything

31:06

is storytelling. That's what we're doing. You're constantly

31:08

telling your story. You're having people like me come

31:10

in and tell their story. It's the

31:13

same thing with art. Art

31:15

is essentially a story for someone,

31:17

whether it's paint on a

31:19

canvas or something like a periodic

31:21

table of, of luxury or Las

31:23

Vegas or whatever. There's a story

31:26

that's behind every artist, every art

31:28

piece, every piece of real estate.

31:30

So, um, it's, it's

31:32

relative. Uh, I, as

31:34

long as you're chasing what you

31:37

love, that's the best thing. And I'm, I'm

31:39

grateful. That's what I get to do. You

31:41

know, it's so

31:43

funny that you say that in

31:46

loving yourself that way, because

31:48

there's gotta be haters that look at

31:50

your stuff online a lot and they just hate. So,

31:52

you know, my thing is I'll never forget this. So

31:56

millions of years ago when I was on, on

31:58

The Apprentice, there was a website called. television

32:00

without pity and it was a blog site

32:02

where people could interact. This is before Facebook,

32:04

right? Yeah, yeah, kids. There was a world

32:06

before Facebook. Get over it. Get over the

32:09

single blog. And it was just a chat

32:11

board, right? And on this television

32:13

without petty chat board, they would discuss like reality

32:15

shows. And there was a

32:17

whole blog with thousands of people

32:20

discussing nothing but me,

32:24

me just. And

32:27

dude, it was such a mind file.

32:30

Like it was so like when things

32:32

were going good. Oh, it was great,

32:34

man. My head was the size of

32:36

this room. But when things went bad,

32:38

it sent me spiraling. And I think

32:40

that when you do something as personal

32:43

is art, like, for example, right before I walked in this

32:45

room, right before I sat down with you, you

32:49

know, I just crashed it, crafted a new marketing message and sent

32:51

it out. And we, you know, I always AB test everything. We

32:53

sent a marketing message out and I sent it out to 5,000

32:56

homes, small, small, small send out on it. And

32:58

one of the things that it said within the

33:00

mailer was it talked about just putting

33:02

our last listing in escrow. And we had taken the

33:04

listing over from a less experienced agent that could not

33:06

sell it. And we got it sold in 30 days.

33:10

I walked in right before you and there was

33:12

a piece of hate mail on my desk from

33:14

something that took the time to mail it back

33:16

to me. A love letter. They sent me a

33:18

love letter. And they said that

33:21

they were basically saying that this

33:24

was so egotistical and I needed to

33:26

find some humility and they would never,

33:28

never hire me. And my assistants

33:31

were like, did you see that? I go, yeah.

33:33

Cause they knew I would think it was funny.

33:35

Cause for me now going through that experience before

33:37

where it was picking at me and you're so

33:39

personal yard, it's got to be similar to that

33:41

experience. But now I've kind of gotten to the

33:43

point where I want to be

33:45

polarizing. Like I don't want

33:48

you to ever run into anybody that is

33:50

50 50 on John Gafford. I

33:52

don't want people to be like, that dude's a

33:54

dick or I love that guy. And

33:57

I look at this like anything I can

33:59

do to make myself. polarizing where we're either

34:01

you and I are best friends or you're

34:03

gonna walk out like what a douche like

34:05

I don't want it anywhere in the middle.

34:07

Do you find yourself caring similar

34:09

about your your crowd that

34:11

follows art like either like I'm your guy or I'm

34:14

not go fuck yourself. Forget

34:16

who said this the quote but he said he's

34:18

a former president like if you don't have enemies

34:20

you're doing something wrong. Yeah. Which is so true

34:23

and there is the polarizing nature there's the

34:25

comments there's the haters there's the internet trolls

34:28

or there's just the people in in real life that

34:30

just want to talk crap and and you know try

34:32

to throw shade on you but

34:35

yeah if you're if you don't have that then you're you're

34:37

not doing something right. For me I

34:39

like being provocative I like putting the envelope

34:42

of course that's gonna come with some

34:44

some of those things. So

34:48

yeah it's uh you've got to

34:50

find a way to kind of like have

34:52

a little thick skin and and

34:54

it's not easy especially artists artists

34:56

can be sensitive. Yeah. And people

34:58

in general today are more sensitive

35:00

than they've ever been. So

35:03

for for yeah for

35:06

artists and people in

35:08

a lot of industries that's that's

35:11

relative. Well I think I

35:13

think that's one of the reasons that makes you so appealing

35:15

to people I think you do come off with

35:18

swag to that point you don't come off

35:20

I get the super sensitive emotional

35:22

starving artist you come off like this is

35:24

cool shit I make cool things for cool

35:26

people and that's who I am. Yeah I'm

35:29

here to have fun and make art and it's and if live

35:32

a good life like is that so much to

35:34

ask for like it's it

35:37

shouldn't be that hard like the the work

35:39

that I create I'm putting my energy and

35:41

love into it and that's what people get

35:43

and that's what I think a lot of

35:45

people don't focus on is is the intention

35:47

of why they're doing what they do and

35:50

when you actually have like a good heart a good

35:52

intention of what you do whether

35:54

that's real estate whether that's you know

35:56

trying to be an entrepreneur with a specific type of

35:58

product that you're trying to to share with other people,

36:02

people can get lost along the way. And

36:04

for me, I'm just grateful

36:06

that I got this opportunity. People

36:09

keep showing up, people collecting, the

36:11

emails keep coming in, people keep

36:13

calling. I mean,

36:15

opportunities are good. I have worked in the

36:18

Delta Lounge at LAX, New York Stock Exchange

36:20

for the next year, Resort World has

36:22

the periodic table of Las Vegas.

36:25

Where is that in Resort World? Just because our

36:28

local folks could go see it. Where is it?

36:30

I've seen it. Where is it exactly? Right now,

36:32

it's currently at the entrance where the valet pickup

36:34

and drop off is. So it's not the valet

36:37

entrance for the hotel, it's the Uber

36:39

and Lyft pickup entrance. So it's over

36:41

by where the sports betting area. Yeah,

36:43

that was a big deal. And that

36:45

was cool. There's

36:48

a stock exchange. Yeah. The New

36:50

York Stock Exchange, same Benjamin's bread.

36:52

Yeah. One gift, $25 investment to

36:54

a guy named Peter Tuchman.

36:57

He's the Einstein of Wall Street, led

36:59

to another gift to him. Then

37:02

brings me in one year

37:04

for periodic table of New York, six floor,

37:06

some of the biggest CEOs, executives, heads of

37:08

state, cultural ambassadors walk past my art every

37:10

single day. So I'm going to say, but

37:12

all that art is doing is sitting there

37:14

appreciating because the longer it's there, the more

37:17

value it becomes. Yes. Not

37:20

all art appreciates. Some artists, some

37:23

collectors do like a depreciating asset.

37:26

Then claim a little bit of

37:28

a deduction. But I'm saying, does appreciate it. But I'm

37:30

saying the fact that that's hanging in the stock exchange.

37:32

When your run there comes up, when

37:34

your commission gets over and it comes down, I believe,

37:37

I just want to believe that makes that particular

37:39

piece worth more for sure. Yeah. Because it's whoever

37:41

buys that piece gets, gets a great piece. And

37:43

there's, I'm a dyslexic artist

37:45

notorious for making spelling errors. So if you

37:47

like baseball cards, some of the most rarest

37:50

ones were the ones that had the mistakes

37:52

and errors on them. So there's some collectors

37:54

on there that have a nice little spelling

37:56

error that probably will be a rare piece

37:59

down the line. And I'm. fine with that.

38:01

I accept that I've made mistakes. I ironically,

38:05

yeah, exactly. I have a bachelor's

38:07

of science and communications and I'm

38:09

dyslexic and I chose artwork

38:11

with all words. Maybe that's why

38:14

maybe you thought you were signing up for art and it

38:16

was just happened to be communications and because you were doing

38:18

it online, you didn't figure it out. It was too late.

38:20

I don't know either. I'm autistic or artistic or a

38:22

little bit. Or

38:25

a little bit of both. So you

38:27

mentioned earlier that, you know, you

38:29

just moved to Miami and you're trying to find

38:32

work-life balance there. Is the new city because literally

38:34

it is like every night is go, go, go.

38:36

And every day is paradise. Right. What

38:39

do you do outside of the art to find work-life balance or

38:41

is work-life balance even a thing that's important to you? Yeah.

38:44

Socializing is, is absolutely

38:47

very important for me. Obviously for networking,

38:49

I love to be rich in relationships.

38:52

Um, I'm a farmer is what I

38:54

call my farmer of friendships. I'm always planting

38:56

seeds, meeting new people. That's what

38:58

you have to do in any, any field,

39:01

especially in artists. You can't just be stuck

39:03

in your studio. Can be very lonely. Um,

39:05

but yeah, in Miami, um, I mean

39:08

going out dinners, I'm Jewish, or I like to

39:10

do Shabbat dinners every Friday. Um, but

39:13

it's, there, there is a slippery

39:15

slope in Miami where a lot of people do

39:17

end up going out to dinner and then they

39:19

go to the club and then they go to

39:21

the after hours. And then it's five 30 to

39:23

11. You're like, what just happened? Yes, exactly. Why

39:25

is the sun coming up? Oh my God. Jesus.

39:28

Yeah. So, um, luckily I'm not,

39:31

I don't like that. I don't chase the clubs. I

39:33

don't like that. I will go out. I do like

39:35

to go to those things, but on occasion it's, it's

39:37

not for me all the time, every week. That's it.

39:40

My liver. No, I'm like 36 going on 65. Yeah, dude.

39:43

I like, I

39:45

like a nice dinner way more than I like a club ever,

39:48

ever probably did. You know,

39:50

it's, it's so interesting because

39:53

when you talk about that work life balance, like I've

39:55

had, I've had guys on here, like Ryan Suran, that

39:57

like, I was like, about

40:00

your work life balance is like, there is none. You

40:02

know, it's work. It's all I do. I told my wife,

40:05

we got married, I'm going to work. You can go vacation

40:07

in France with the kids and I'm going to work and

40:09

I'm going to do that. And

40:11

for me, like I do work

40:13

a lot. I do focus, I'm always thinking about

40:16

work. I'm even when I'm kind of home

40:18

and I've tried to get much better with that. Cause the whole concept

40:20

of like 18 summers with your kids really

40:22

hit me hard. Like the

40:24

time you spend with your kids, 90% of

40:26

it is over by the time they're 18 years old.

40:28

And I'm like, dude, I got two summers left with

40:30

my dude. Yep. And my daughter,

40:33

I got four left. So I'm like, I'm maximizing

40:35

all of that. So, you know, I think I

40:37

made that switch. Smart. Yeah.

40:39

So, I mean, is this, I

40:41

mean, obviously aspiring kids. Is this something you're

40:44

aspiring to or? Yeah, of course. Yeah.

40:47

Girl first travel, maybe dog, kids, absolutely. I'll

40:49

explain it. Make sure you don't kill it. Exactly.

40:51

I hope the olive tree at my house

40:53

is fine right now. Yeah. I'm

40:55

neglecting it while I've been traveling, but absolutely kids are

40:57

definitely in the cards. I

40:59

mean, some people today, they don't want kids. I do.

41:05

But yeah, that work-life balance is so

41:07

important. I was watching a podcast. It

41:11

was a short and the guy was talking and said, how

41:14

often do you see your parents? So one or two times a

41:16

year. I said, okay, hypothetically say

41:18

they got five times. Yeah.

41:23

That blew my mind. Jesse Itzler said

41:25

that. Same thing,

41:27

Jesse. Same thing, dude. Same thing. So you're

41:29

with your kids. You're like, I got a

41:31

couple more times where there's still kids before

41:33

the emptiness really starts to occur. When

41:35

it really sprint, spend value with them, you

41:39

can replace work. Yeah. You can't

41:41

replace family. I love that you're figuring this out at 36. Cause

41:43

dude, cause here's the thing. Something weird starts happening.

41:46

I don't know when you hit like 48. I'm

41:49

going to throw it out there. And this is what happens. Yet

41:52

you'll have some stupid Facebook group or whatever

41:54

social media is at the time you're

41:56

going to have some sort of a group that you're tagged to

41:59

all of the people you went to high school with. You don't

42:01

want to talk to them. You never talk to them. But for

42:03

some reason you're in this group It just it's what it is,

42:05

right? And then they

42:07

start dying and He

42:09

started going whoa And then you

42:12

know at first what doesn't what happens probably starts

42:14

happening on say about 42, right? They

42:16

start dying and you just a fentanyl you open it up

42:19

and you look at it You're like, oh dude, like hadn't

42:21

seen a gym in 10 years. Yeah, that's super size and

42:23

be hard core for 50 You're like, yeah, I can

42:25

see that happening But then you kind

42:27

of cross this age where you're like dude

42:30

if I die, there's no candlelight vigil We're

42:32

just gonna be like it's good, but whatever

42:34

blah blah and when that starts

42:36

happening, right as my Good

42:38

friend can't close the A says he goes. Here's a great exercise

42:41

for you. He goes Take your

42:43

age if you're a man Subtract it

42:45

from 78 then multiply it

42:47

by 365. That

42:49

is how many days you statistically have left on

42:51

this earth Yeah then take

42:53

that and divide it by Because

42:57

you're asleep one-third of the time That

43:00

is really how many days you have left walk in

43:02

the earth Then it kind of puts perspective in things

43:05

in those things and it's about chasing what's important So

43:08

when you can do what you've done and

43:10

turn your passion into money now,

43:12

that's great And I think sometimes

43:14

it's very obvious that what you're

43:16

doing art passion money very obvious

43:19

But I think people also can find passion in

43:21

whatever they do I think if

43:23

you look at like what I do somebody says what do you

43:25

do? It's not we sell homes.

43:28

It's not what I do. I teach

43:30

people a skill set on how

43:33

to make an incredible amount of money if

43:35

they're good at it and I have done that a

43:38

thousand times in my life So

43:40

if you take all of those people a thousand

43:42

people out there probably they're running around making

43:45

six figures or more. I Think

43:48

that's a pretty big impact. I've made on a lot of people

43:51

So I think it's just about perspective of finding

43:53

if you're not working your direct passion Like if

43:55

you're my passions to be a major league baseball

43:57

player, but you can't throw the ball five feet.

43:59

I'm sorry You're not going to make it. Yeah.

44:01

But you need to find something passionate about what

44:04

you do. I totally agree. And

44:06

right now, 20, 30, 50

44:09

years from now, people are going to watch this and

44:11

someone's going to get inspired. You're the

44:14

content that you've created will outlive

44:16

you. And that will make an

44:18

impact on other people when you were dead. And

44:21

that's what I love. Same with my art. My art's

44:23

going to outlive me. I got to make sure my

44:25

quality is there so that people, the

44:28

caretakers of my work, it's going to get passed down

44:30

to their children and their children, or it's going to

44:32

change hands and it's going to keep constantly growing in

44:34

value. The things that

44:36

you've done, the homes that you've

44:38

built, the lives that you've impacted,

44:40

there's that domino effect, that trickle

44:42

down effect that happens, which is

44:44

beautiful. And going back to passion,

44:47

I think that that's what people

44:49

need to find a passion that

44:51

they actually care about. And there

44:53

is limited time. Time is

44:55

money. And you have to

44:57

value your time, sometimes like a currency. And

44:59

if you make more money, that can sometimes

45:02

give you more time with your family, with

45:04

your friends. So it's four. Yeah. So

45:06

it's relative. That's why I made this

45:08

watch. It's got all the

45:10

currencies on the face because time is

45:13

money. And it's a reminder

45:15

for me when I look down every day, I

45:17

don't, I don't really, I mean, obviously I have

45:19

a clock on my phone, but this is more

45:21

of a symbolism reminder of exactly

45:23

what you're saying. You only

45:25

have a limited amount of time. Look at

45:27

it like money. Now,

45:31

dude, I couldn't agree more. And I can't

45:33

think of a better dude. If there's

45:35

no lesson we're going to tell it's better than that one. I

45:37

can't think of anything better way to wrap this up on, dude,

45:39

if they want to find you, how do they find you? How

45:41

do they find this is addictive? How do they find you? How

45:43

do they find you? Instagram,

45:46

this is addictive. Daniel,

45:48

Alan cohen.com. Personal

45:51

Instagram is Daniel Allen Cohen. You

45:54

can see my work at the Delta lounge at LAX.

45:57

That's a public space. If you're traveling through that lounge.

46:00

Yeah. Social media is the best place. And

46:05

yeah, it's grateful to be on here and great to

46:07

talk with you. Pleasure. No, dude, ever since the first

46:09

time I met you with that event, started talking about

46:11

this, I'm like, bro, I got to get you on.

46:13

This is just so fascinating to me and I love

46:15

it. So thanks for coming in and let that be

46:17

a lesson to you, dude. Everybody, the system to this,

46:19

let that be a lesson. You know, here's the deal.

46:22

Like the podcast says, you got to stop drifting along

46:24

with the currents of life, man. You've got to take

46:26

control of your own life because nobody is coming to

46:28

save you. Chase your dream,

46:31

chase your passion, but you got to

46:33

chase something. See you next week. What's

46:39

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46:43

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46:45

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